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>>96260712

Mission is a good friend, but a better slave, just like Vette. Every twi'lek is better as a slave.

>>96260698 (OP)
What would be some interesting kyber crystal gimmicks?

>>96260712
>old characters
Is there anyone who actually likes Maz Kanata.
All the other old people are dead by now, right? Or is JarJar still alive?

>>96260758
Well, Temura has been begging for work only yesterday, so we know they don't mean Boba Fett.
Aside from him, there's... Uh... Maybe it's Ahsoka. Granny Ahsoka. Or Cad Bane. Who else is out there?

>>96260776
Palpatine is probably still around. Somehow.

>>96260781
Well, maybe him. He could be Valkorion of the nu-Wars. He gets atomized, but returns as a sentient cancer. Not a tumor, but like the concept of cancer.
Maybe they could bring back Kylo Ren. Or even Luke. He wasn't dead, he was on a force vacation, temporarily ascended to a higher plane of existence.

>>96260712
go to /tv/ with this shit I want to talk about games and shitpost star wars is depressing enough already

>>96260557
The Force Awakens is badly written but it's competently directed. I'll give JJ at least that.
>>96260649
I agree that the sequels could have been salvaged at that point. It just would have required leaning into the curve rather than trying to redirect the trilogy the third movie in. Hell- just don't bring back Palpatine, it's not that hard- even Colin Trevorrow didn't make that mistake. I think the Duel of Fates script had problems, but at least it wasn't obliterating the trilogy.

Still baffles me someone was stupid enough to fire Henry Cavil from the Witcher, what are those guys smoking.

I just beat Jed: Survivor, what are /tg/'s thoughts on it?

>>96260821
It really does mog the 3D one.

>>96260649
>I actually have decided that TLJ was not that terrible.
>Yes, it's absolutely goddamn awful,
Maybe make up your minnnd? Anyway, it was absolute dogshit, in every way you care to llook at it.
>it didn't single-handedly kill Star Wars.
No, bit it proved that Disney was too retarded to writee a story in a consistent universe. After TFA it MIGHT have been salvageable.
After TLJ, it was not. Solo ws also bad, but it truly bombed because of TLJ.

The shows, well. Mando S1 and S2 weere good, to OK. BoBF was an utter desaster, and Kenobi was a disgrace. Neeither Obi-Wan nor Anakin deserved that.
Mmando S3 ended that thing on a whimper, partly because they mixed it with BoBF.

Yes, it was not just one single strike, it was death by a thousand incompetent writers. But TLJ was the first very visible blow.

>>96260698 (OP)
>You sick fuck edition
Explain

>>96260945
she's 14

>>96260915
>Henry Cavil
I haven't liked him in anything I've seen him in.
He has this weird ability to seem like a smug asshole regardless of what he says or does, and I think it's because his eyes are always a step behind, like a sociopath observing your reaction to his smile before he continues on with the rest of his act. This is particularly true in any promotional material I've seen him in, where he goes out of his way to try and seem like a nice guy "in real life" and that makes it even worse.

He's like the polar opposite of Geralt in the games, who says things like a complete asshole but still manages to come off as likable, down-to-earth, genuine and honest.

>>96260955
Out of 10!

>>96260955

>>96260974
>file name
We'll get 'em next time!

>>96260995
By that standard you could fuck a newborn with how little legality means in that galaxy.

>>96260936
Solo's entirely innoffensive. It's also not comparable to the sequel trilogy because it's an actual movie that has a coherent beginning and end to it. The two spinoffs were massively better because their directors knew where they had to end the films owing to them being prequels- unlike the sequels which were spinning plates in the air. I blame mostly JJ Abrams for this though- because he had to land the thing, and he thinks his job is to fundamentally trick you into buying movie tickets, and after he's done that his job is over.
>>96260970
I don't know what you're talking about. Every interview I've seen him in to me portays him as a scrawny nerd that was mis-assigned underwear model at birth.

Man just has terrible luck when it comes to his casting. He clearly can portray a lot of charisma, that Snyder completely failed to take advantage of. I wish him all the luck in the world with the WH40K show he's been doing.

>>96260995
If I had been Ezra, I'd have absolutely fallen to the dark side for that green milf.

She looks just like my pervy history teacher in sophomore year of high school. You know, but an alien.

>>96261109
This is a setting where slavery is legal (for both droids and organics), the bad guys make bigger and bigger weapons to commit genocide more efficiently, and child-soldiers are a broadly accepted as a tool of war by all sides.

But yes. THAT'S where we'll draw the line.

>>96260923
I liked it, but its not as good as Fallen Order. Liked Nova Garon as a base though.

>>96260923
I've thought that it has two villains that are cool in concept, but neither of them is developed enough. Bode and Dagan Gera should have been a single character called Dagan Gera, who starts out as your ally and then betrays you.

>>96260698 (OP)
Saga all the way. Jedi Academy Training Manual and the KOTOR Campaign Guide alone make it best

>>96261109
Bud, the Galaxy is fucked up to literal Hell, I'm sure places like Nar Shadda don't give a damn what you're doing.

>>96261142
I feel it's not as tight as the original. There the first and last boss are Trilla, you feel like you are racing against the Empire there, and ultimately they catch you.

Now the have the other inquisitor as first boss- fair enough they brought her back. But they introduce the raiders as mysterious new villains, find out we have an ancient evil Jedi we've awoken, and that's not the final boss.

I do think Bode being a double agent was good, and him being a secret evil Jedi is way better- he does a great job of acting like a yahoo without the slightest understanding of the force. But he's only set up as an antagonistic force in the third act. If he'd been a second-act twist villain it would have worked.

But the Dagan Gera plotline, while good, feels disconnected with it being dispatched pretty easy. Rayvis and Dagan get good boss-fights, but I was figuring we should have gotten the final battle on Tanalore with Dagan. Then after that complicate things with the Empire and Bode. Kind of like in Uncharted 4 you get to the treasure at the end, and then fight over who gets to keep it (essentially).

Maybe expand Coruscant a bit for more info on Bode and the ISB there.

>>96261115
>pervert
>history teacher
Could you tell if she had a passion for a particular type of history, or was it just a job to her?

>>96260698 (OP)
I like this OP. This is a good OP.

>>96261110
>I don't know what you're talking about.
That's probably just you being gay and basic.
And it's not luck with casting. He just doesn't have any real charisma; people keep saying he has it and also that he should have it, but it just never manifests itself. He's like an advertised product that consistently fails to deliver, but people keep saying it has to be good because it's got a brand name attached to it.

>>96260753
Kyber crystal is tsundere for you and only works when it wants to and totally not when you need it, baka.

>>96261191
>And it's not luck with casting. He just doesn't have any real charisma; people keep saying he has it and also that he should have it, but it just never manifests itself. He's like an advertised product that consistently fails to deliver, but people keep saying it has to be good because it's got a brand name attached to it.
He's immensely charismatic in the Witcher. 11/10's the entire way through.

>>96261173
She loved ancient Mesopotamia, particularly the sordid and grisly aspects of their history. On one occasion, she read to the class the infamous passage by Herodotus about the temple prostitutes of Babylon. On another occasion, she read us quotes from the Assyrian king Ashurnasirpal about all the flayings and beheadings and so forth he had committed against his enemies. In short, she was a based teacher.

>>96261362
>There is a star wars slop fan besides me knows who herodotus is

>>96261362
She sure sounds that way. She wouldn't have been a perfect 10 for highschool me, but from how you describe her she would have been plenty for me to be willing to jump at that age too, if she'd given me a window.

>>96260698 (OP)
>Thread Questions: Saga, FFG or WEG?
WEG's got the best system but it's old as hell and missing some of the best eras and rather black and white in its approach.
Saga's got the best material, but an asinine D&D munchkinnery-is-mandatory system.
FFG is kinda meh, not great not terrible on both regards, uses dogshit proprietary dice, but it's newest with support for Filoni/Mouse Wars.

>>96261589
>reading herodotus instead of Thucydides
baka my head

>>96261659
I haven't read him yet but I've been meaning to, I was going to get his stuff on the Peloponnesian war.

>>96261930
it's actually so good, highly recommend it

>>96261946
Cool, what sets him apart so much? Are you a greekaboo like me? I boner for Homer. If you are I'd be curious as to what your favourite star wars shit is.

>>96261977
History of the Peloponnesian war is so much more grounded than Herodotus' histories is in my opinion. I am kinda a greek weeb I wrote my dissertation on Greek myth and its passage and transformation into what would become Christianity. Fave star wars shit is Kotor 2 and the little bit of the FFG system i've played. To be honest I just saw someone mention herodotus while scrolling through the catalog, im more of a tcg nerd

>>96260753
Sticky blade, latches onto the magnetic field of other sabers and it's hard to pull them off, lets you use cool blade bind moves.

>>96260923
Good but I didn’t enjoy Kobah as a setting. I liked the variety of planets you get in the first one. Hopefully we get more planets in the next one including an explorable Korriban for once. Especially as Kal is a bit dark sided now.

>>96260936
>S2
>good

>>96260923
>playing disney tranny wars slop

holy shit dude

Just binged the Darth Bane trilogy. Also read Deceived and Plagueis. What should I read next?

>>96262263
Are you wanting more Sith stuff or any general recs?

>>96260698 (OP)
Retard, twileki are adults at 12. Mission not being romanceable was the devs not understanding the IP.

>>96261589
I dont care about this thread or anyone in it but tonnes of people know the father of history

>>96260955
Yes? And? That means she's been an asult for 2 years.

>>96262309
More Sith novels would be cool

>>96262469
Best Sith stuff outside of what you have read would be the old comics such as tales of the Jedi or the KOTOR comics which are Sith adjacent. Other novels you’re missing are Lost Tribes of the Sith - Collected stories and there’s some nuWars books such as Lords of the Sith or Shadow of the Sith which are enjoyable enough. The ROTS novel is also a good read for a more inside view of Vader and Sidious

>>96260698 (OP)
>TQ
Saga. No question.

WEG is a 90's RPG through and through. I appreciate the simplicity, but i have NEVER gotten along with D6 systems in longterm RPG's. Like, i'd play WEG as a 1-off because character creation takes 10 minutes and its simplicity can be fun for all of 1 session, but the novelty wears off quickly.

FFG can get fucked with their specialist dice. One of my dice gets lost and i have to spend £25 replacing the entire set?

Saga is just complicated enough to be interesting and it's got the kind of character system i like where characters feel dynamic and you can tailor them however you like. You can have an entire party of Level 3 Soldiers and have every character play entirely differently.

>>96260923
It was a decent to good game, but the fluff bits like the garden and fish tank were unnecessary. I also had little to no interest in side quests.

>>96260712
No, thank you.

>>96260712
Eh, i'll wait to see what actually happens. I believe that SW needs a half decent writer to come along and contextualize ST into something not shit and this might do it. Or it might just be more of the same shit. Call me when we at least have a trailer or something.

>>96262263
Try Cloak of Deception and Dark Lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader

>>96260698 (OP)
>TQ
WEG is my all time favorite, but Saga is so janky and holds a special place in my heart. I played a demo of FFG and really enjoyed it, but haven't played since

.>>96260712
What a sad and pathetic state of things.

>>96260955
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFRkB8SzkPY

>>96260955

>>96262645
Use a dice rolling app and FFG becomes the best ttrpg system you've ever played

>>96262171
Well, it is 'good' in the sense that it is not BoBF, Kenobi or Acolyte.
It doesn't make me just want to turn off the stream and play Tetris.

>TQ
FFG
The dice pool system is just so fucking good to GM with.
I love rolling a billion dice and pondering how they fell like a bone oracle.
Sad to see that genesys is dead but I guess there is more than enough material to homebrew with.

>>96262660
I loved the fish tank! Scoova Stev's old fisherman tales are peak Star Wars.

>>96265136
I liked him too and the holotable battles. They were fun side activities that weren’t demanding of your time like you’d find in ubislop games. Speaking of ubislop, sabaac in outlaws was really good.

>>96263939
If your desire is to be locked hard into the writers' vision of what a Star Wars character is, sure. FFG is great if all you want to do is play stereotypes, your not-Hans and your not-Lukes and your not-Vaders. The moment you try and get original with it, it starts to fight you because it's part of the modern style of RPG that expects you to passively consume sourcebooks and adventure pamphlets to unlock new experiences, where a classic RPG like WEGD6 expects that when you run out of Content *you* will take over and tell your own stories in your own way.

>>96265273
The holotables was a miss for me. I think it could be improved- namely in quality of life, but I think the main problem is not being able to control your own dudes. Now- watching the AI fight and staging battles can still be fun, it just shouldn't be in like a strategy context.

>Ian Watkins
>sick fuck

he sure is.

>>96260698 (OP)
>dat bulge in her trousers
Guess Mission was packin'.

>>96260712
Honestly, I welcome Episode X if it means it will bring things to a "Current Era" that is past Rey era.
Mind you, anything not made during the political climate of 2013-2019 is bound to be an improvement of things.

Twi'lek sexo

>>96263939
This is true, digital rolling already gives you the results without having to count them. But digital dice also dehumanizes RPG, just like people who don't even bring a sheet of paper for their character because it's already on the phone.

>>96266658
>I get a glup shitto one
FUCK

>>96267038
I wonder if the person that made that tweet would know what a huge impact on the fandom he's about to make

>>96260923
The High Republic stuff felt a bit off, it was noticeable how they basically shoehorned that in because they wanted to push that era.
Apart from thaht, the main story is pretty solid.
I liked the side area parts on Jedha, but I think I never finished all the sidequests around the Saloon.

Also, Merrin and Cal are very qt together. I'm 100% certain Disney will ruin them in part 3 becausue a ginger human and white-haired (slavic actress) Dathomiran will never be allowed to be happy together in current year.

My fag gm sent us a cropped screenshot of this thing and said he was going to make it a main character in the next campaign. He wont tell us what it is. It’s some kind of old republic era thing?

Can someone with hardcore starwars autism identify this glup. I ran it through several reverse image searches and cant find anything

>>96267405
she's already been made a lesbian, how could they ruin her further

>>96267709
Thhat was retconned and memoryhholed, and she canoncally held hands with Cal later.
She absolutely teleports his midichlorians into her witch cave.

>>96262446
Star wars fans are generally fucking stupid and illiterate.

>>96267753
ok but again, how would they ruin her further

>>96267405
I liked it, but it did feel very suddenly introduced. And I think more could have done to contrast the era of Democracy at its height with Democracy at its lowest.

>>96267866
Casting an actress that looks like a human being instead of a supermodel.

>>96268830
not to worry, they can ruin any actress' looks
Disney is really good at this

>Acolyte suffered a 33% viewership drop during its season
>Ahsoka suffered 31%
they're the exact same show, just one gets praised because it has recognizable characters and dave filoni's name plastered on it

>>96270201
Do you live in Narnia? Nobody praised Ahsoka, and in fact Filoni is rightfully getting more and more hate each day that passes and Ahsoka as a character alongside all of TCW are being left behind as people start adopting the MMP

>>96270230
I can praise parts of Ahsoka specifically the cinematography. I just wish it was animated because Filoni cannot do live action.

>>96270201
And even with the viewership drop, all of Ahsoka episodes were still in Nielsen's Top 10 throughout its entire run. Unlike Acolyte's, that only had one episode enter Nielsen's rankings.

Acolyte's fan reception was also beyond abysmal. Ahsoka's reception went down after the disappointing final episode, but it was overall still considered an okay show. Not great, not terrible. You're a massive retard, and you should kill yourself.

>>96270230
>all of TCW are being left behind as people start adopting the MMP
I'll take things that never happened for $300, Alex. No one except a bunch of 4chan incels gives a single solitary fuck about your crappy comic books and shitty tie-in novels.

>>96270272
anon this looks like dogshit
tell me what planet that's supposed to be

>>96270283
if acolyte didn't exist, ahsoka would be considered the worst star wars tv show
lowest viewership numbers because we don't have any for skeleton crew yet (which is good)

>>96270291
>if acolyte didn't exist
If you weren't a subhuman faggot with room temperature IQ, we wouldn't have to suffer your garbage rage baits devoid of any substance and thought put into them. But alas, we are not dealing in the realm of hypotheticals. You are here, and you are subhuman. And Acolyte exists. Woulda, coulda, shoulda.
>ahsoka would be considered the worst star wars tv show
No, subhuman. That would still be Book of Boba Fett or Kenobi.
>lowest viewership numbers
No, subhuman. That would still be Andor S1.
>because we don't have any for skeleton crew yet (which is good)
We do have them. That show was the lowest viewed show, and never even entered Nielsen's rankings. And it's not. No one even remembers it existed anymore.

Why are you so fucking dumb, huh?

>>96270311
why lie?

>>96270315
Ngl Kenobi and Book of Boba only got that high because of Mando hype. All Disney TV shows after Mando S2 except Andor have been some of the worst Star Wars content, to the point where I'd be happier to see the Holiday Special be made canon instead of those

>>96270291
>anon this looks like dogshit
Why?
>tell me what planet that's supposed to be
It's not supposed to be any planet. It's supposed to be a surreal dream sequence and a fading memory.

Have you watched anything in your life except Star Wars and capeshit?

>>96270318
pretty much, plus they're big name characters

shame the shows themselves sucked, they could have done so much more

>>96270315
Where is the lie, subhuman? Andor S1 was the lowest viewed series except Acolyte and Skeleton Crew, despite having 12 episodes that were each consistently over 40 minutes long.

>>96270320
it's ryloth, it's intended to be ryloth
of course you basically couldn't fucking tell because it's a shitty scene filmed using the volume that has fog everywhere to hide the screens with the "excuse" of "it's a dream sequence!!!!" used as a cope argument to explain why it looks so shit rather than just admitting it looks cheap and shit

did you know teth was also in that episode? sure looks like shit compared to teth being used everywhere else

>>96270328
>it's a dream sequence, which was made patently clear in the episode
>NUH UH, YOU'RE LE COPING!
Concession accepted, manchild. Jump off a bridge.

>>96270326
>posts evidence that ahsoka's numbers dropped off ~45% in 2 weeks and barely recovered even with anakin clone wars glup shitto moments up to a maximum of 69.4% of week 1 viewership with the finale

it's shit.

>>96270347
>b-b-but andor
andor dropped off to 57.1% of viewership in 2 weeks (still higher than ahsoka, but marginally) but recovered for ~108% of week 1's viewership with the finale, with a higher total number than ahsoka too

>>96270347
I posted evidence that despite the drop off, the series consistently qualified in Nielsen's Top 10 rankings, unlike Acolyte and even Andor, which dropped out completely at 9th episode. Despite the initial drop off, Ahsoka gained and then retained the viewers, and despite having less episodes that were overall shorter, it had more viewers on average than Andor ever did. These are objective facts. You are so retarded, it's embarrassing. Why are you like this? What goal are you pursuing? I don't even like the show that much, but you are so desperate in making shit up, it's pathetic. Filoni resurrected your shitty waifu, why are you still so upset?

This entire thread is retarded as shit, imagine caring what the Nielsens say or how many people saw what. Ahsoka was shit, Acolyte was shit, Andor was generic grimdark hidden under a Star Warsy appearance, Kenobi was shit, BoBF was shit, Mando was shit after S1.

>>96260698 (OP)
I really wanted to get into a Star Wars rpg following the old (true) canon before the disney retcons made everything gay and stupid.
Any suggestions? I really just want a game where my friends and I can play some padawans studying at luke's jedi praxeum and go on adventures and shit.

>>96270366
Of course. I would even say Mando S1 was also shit. It had the narrative weight of a Skyrim side quest, and the whole "never remove helmet" bullshit was retarded, and Baby Yoda was a marketing gimmick designed by a committee, and MCU-tier humor was obnoxious.

All of these shows are shit. But it's Ventressfag, who came here and posted retarded bullshit >>96270201 for no reason, because he needs 5 minutes of pointless hatred, or something. He is simply getting disproven with the shit that he himself posted.

>ventressfag
>filonifag
You’re both annoying fags. Shut the fuck up.

>>96270374
Mando should have just been a Boba Fett show set before ESB with Boba doing jobs for people including the Empire and maybe making a live action take of that plotline where he figures out Luke's name and reveals it to Vader. But that means making him a bad guy which modern Star Wars can't do

>>96270362
>needs to use averages because it's the only number that makes ahsoka look good
bet you use "per capita" if and when it suits you
face it, ahsoka had a significant drop off and never truly recovered from it, because the only people still watching it are filonifags who don't care about things like "quality" because anakin or thrawn showed up

your own data that you swear by makes ahsoka look bad

>>96270414
Morrison is too old and fat to play Boba Fett at ANY point in time. It was comedic to see him crawl out of the Sarlacc pit fat and old all of the sudden, when it's supposed to be basically during ROTJ, where he was skinny and 36yo. Morrison can only play old clones.

>show about the baddest bounty hunter alive
>half of the show is tuskens culture exploration
>other half he spends in a bacta tank unable to be badass
>his best episodes were the 2 mandaloroan episodes they tossed in

Why did they do this to my boy boba

Oh and that gay space scooter chase sequence which might be the slowest ever made

>>96270458
well anon, can (you) write a better book of boba fett season that isn't just him killing bad guys for the entire runtime for 8 episodes straight?

>>96270466
They set the bar pretty low, and why shouldn’t it be gratuitous boba killing spree the show? The clone wars animation is beloved and it’s all action.

They should have adapted Cad Bane vs Boba arc into live-action, expanded it into a full length mini-series. And don't hire Robert Rodriguez to be the showrunner/director, and don't let Jon Favreau anywhere near the scripts.

>>96270515
I hate that they keep blueballing us with it
>looks heres a new clip of the unfinished bounty hunters arc that we could have finished but didnt!

>>96270428
Tbf I wouldn't want Boba to be literally played by Morrison. We don't need to see him remove his helmet, and there are way better voice actors

Also Morrison for Boba in the Special Editions was already a mistake, Jason Wingreen was so much better and I wish we had more attempts to replicate his voice

>>96260796
I still can't believe they wasted Luke like that

>>96270664
Any sense pointed to Luke getting offed in episode 9 (if at all) but Johnson's ego demanded he be the one to kill off Luke.

>>96270771
None of the OT characters should have died, but they needed to to prop up Rey because as a character she is worse than cardboard.

I would have liked if rey having everything easy mode made her go dark side and kylo turning good, then by episode 9 they can have their big come to Jesus moment like in rotj with Luke and Vader. Disney you can hire me whenever

>>96270778
>None of the OT characters should have died

>>96270771
Luke dying in 8 makes sense if you actually want 8 to be the ESB of the new trilogy. They managed to fuck up by having the rebels essentially lose, lose hard, and even had a main character from the last trilogy die, but still not have the balls to make things end on a proper down note.

Then that lensflare hack just ignored the whole movie so Luke really did just die for absolutely nothing.

>>96271419
Dude, blaming JJ for what RJ did is absolutely nonsensical.
JJ is an incompetent hack, but that does not excuse RJ being an even more narcissistic and just fucking the entire franchise.

>>96270466
Yeah, him killing good AND bad guys for 8 episodes straight.

>>96270778
I don't mind people dying.
Complete character assassination, on the other hand, is unforgivable.

>>96270366
>Andor was generic grimdark hidden under a Star Warsy appearance
If it were just that noone would give a shit about it- the characters and the dialogue were all consistently solid and didn't suck like it has in every SW film/show since ESB, which is why it was solid.

What still boggles my mind is why they tried to make this big star wars universe across series and shows but didnt have a solid plan or writer in charge.
like.. how the fuck do you explain the mess that was boba fett

>>96272010
What boggles my mind is they initially INSISTED they had a plan for a SW universe, said they weren't going to acknowledge any of the old EU because they had a plan for a SW universe, and then proceeded to revert to using the old EU a few years later because it turns out they DIDN'T have a plan for a SW universe really.

Do you think Disney will go and put trigger warnings on every TCW episode now?

>>96272244
I dunno, but I think this suggests that TCW has had a cultural impact equal to that of the first six films, which is impressive in its own right.

Am I reading too much into this, are there other sci-fi properties that used "clanker" as a pejorative term for robots?

>>96272244
>Creates a new racial slur
Filoni is a Genius

>>96266571
2025 is somehow a better political climate? Star Wars is gonna be deemed woke unless the Jedi team up with the Empire to fight off a race of Woke Gay Alien invaders, and they only cast white actors.

>>96270283
I dont get the acolyte hate. Like others have said it's about similar quality. Which I consider not terrible. I think I'd still rank it at the bottom of the Disney + shows, just not by a huge margin.

I just feel it had more 'woke flags' to pick on.
>>96270311
Controversial opinion. I like Kenobi.
>>96270458
Robert Rodriguez is known for doing high budget cheap. That said- I'd have given him a different show.

I liked the tusken stuff. I do think the crime boss stuff doesn't land and that's ostensibly what it's about.
>>96270664
I find it nuts they didnt just bring it back. You could easily have just said some bullshit like 'I entered the cosmic force'. And even have Rey mistakenly think hes a force ghost.
>>96272010
Its what they did with Marvel. In all honesty I think just not using JJ Abrams it could have worked. JJ Abrams thinks continuity is for stupid people.

Andor s1 is a bar above other Disney sw products just because it’s more competent. It still had serious issues that were not-star wars. Just off the top of my head it is way too adult. They didn’t need a bix rape allusion to tell their story. The fact the director came out to defend it is even more out of touch.

>>96272401
Robot itself is a racial slur, it means "the one that does hard labor". Basically, a field clanker.

>>96272561
I still don't think it's as good as Mando S1 or S2.

>>96270778
My problem is less that characters were killed, but that they were killed and then absolutely no Pathos was paid to this.

>>96272493
The solution to the Star Wars problem is adapting Legacy.

>Chud fanbase will love Fel Empire and the imperial knights
>Sith are still the bad guys
>Cade is the subversive hero for the subversive generations
>Rey's ghost can replace Luke's ghost, making it completely understandable as to why Cade would want to take deathsticks to make her go away

I've also toyed with the idea of making Cade into a woman. That will appeal to both gooner and Arcane audiences. Cadia Skywalker, she takes drugs and bangs sith twi'leks. She's just like Jinx, fr, fr.

>>96272765
There already is a female Cade. There was a spin off form Legacy featuring Ania Solo (nice original name there ripping off Anakin) but it was cancelled once Disney bought Star Wars. You can’t make a proper Legacy anymore because there are no blood descendants of the Skywalkers and I think they would avoid doing another shitty clone thing. Then again, they probably wouldn’t.

>>96272818
Turns out, Luke really loves hookers.

Or: Luke and Ahsoka had a secret child

>>96272818
You think they cant shoe horn in a Skywalker bastard somewhere?

>>96272820
Or even he had a more conventional relationship and exiled his baby momma and child when he started getting visions of himself as Anakin killing younglings.

>>96272820
Disney Luke died a virgin.
>>96272845
They will be it will be a symbolic Skywalker like Rey. Not a blood one

>>96272820
>>96272830
>>96272845
>>96272857
All shit, but not really worse than what Didney Wors continuity already is.

>>96272864

>>96272401
>Am I reading too much into this, are there other sci-fi properties that used "clanker" as a pejorative term for robots?
Yeah, other Clone Wars media iirc. It was in Battlefront 2 and iirc Republic Commando, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear books/comics had it.

>>96272968
Just read a Rolling Stone article on this very subject. Repbulic Commando is credited, according to Know Your Meme, as originating the term. It was then picked up and spread further by TCW, with additional boost from r/Prequelmemes.

Clanka is out word meatbags.

>>96260955
She ain't no kid!

>>96270367
Saga edition is the way to go for that. The FFG games also started based on the pre-Disney lore, but have post-Disney sourcebooks you can apply (if, for whatever stupid reason, you want to)

Clanker can’t be racist because droids aren’t a race. Checkmate atheists.

>>96273081
Shut the fuck up wireback.

>>96273081
We don't serve your kind here, you'll have to wait outside

>>96272561
You are using the world allusion wrong. The allude to something is to reference something we don't see. We saw that in its entirety.

It's also weird to complement Andor for being serious but criticize it for being 'too adult'.
>>96272864
According to whomst?
>>96273187
It's definitely a slur- but this reinforces the fact that droids have no rights.

It amazes me how people fail to pick up on the fact that droids are slaves in the Star Wars universe. Like- not even the good guys ever think to themselves that Droids deserve something like a paycheck. At best they are just more polite to the droids while wanting to do nothing to change their overall situation.

Which is of course intentional- as part of Star Wars being 'a long time ago' there are unjust aspects of their society they don't question, just like someone in the Roman era would have seen nothing wrong with the concept of slavery.

Like idiots mad at the 'droid rights' robot in Solo. Like they can only view social issues through a real-world lens, and not a star wars lens, where droids literally have no rights at all. Lando even states outright the only reason he doesn't wipe her memory is she's a good navigator. Maybe that's him trying to save face because he doesn't want people to think he lets his droid sass him because he respects her as an autonomous being, but it's clear that not deleting your droids personality when they ask for equal treatment is seen as weirdo behavior, which he doesn't bother to dismiss.

>>96273819
The reason why people don't like the droid is not because they're incapable of understanding simple things, but because
>The droid could have been written like Spartacus, or Moses, or a civil rights figure era like MLK or Malcom X, but is instead written as the screeching harpy from your college campus, in an era where the screeching harpy fatigue was beginning to reach its peak
>Lando, the smoothest player in the history of cinema, has been made into a pansexual droidfucker.

Maybe if the writers viewed the character through a Star Wars lens instead of a real world lens, she would be tolerable.

>>96273876
>droidfucker
he just had an attachment to his droid, just like Anakin with R2 and what not. the romantic/sexual affection was entirely on the droid's side, and that was the joke.
I agree about the droid being a bit annoying overall though.

>>96273819
Allusion in the sense it wasnt a hardcore explicit rape scene but we still had 3 episodes of bix trauma to sot through to put the event into perspective. I don’t think it’s a weird call at all to say it was good in being serious but too adult. There’s a top shelf of adult media stuff that SW explicitly avoids because it is a family oriented program. Andor didn’t respect that line and went too far

>>96273917
First of all
>It works.

Secondly, if you want to remain in denial and believe there's some ambiguity left in the movie, the comics (Dark Droids #1) confirm that Lando had either platonic or sexual relations with that toaster

>>96271875

my friend it is a convergence of the galxy that we have found one another. sentients of our caliber who can express sweet nostalgia fir passed trends without ourselves falling out of vogue.
this may have been my favorite all things said.
you doll it up in a little dress, hilarious.
v good high society humor.
"not only do i have contact with a tailor who can work space silk but one that is on call for me, can make a new one right then and there. I can walk into the restroom and ruin it with abandon, with the CONFIDENCE that it will be done before i am.
good times.
but times always change.
howd that new operation of yours turn out?

>>96274001
Okay, all I had seen was the movie. That is indeed weird.

>>96274001
>sexual relations with that toaster
I mean there are toasters I woud hit

>>96274245
And SW had droids like that.

>>96274280
These replicants never seemed like they belong in Star Wars to me.

>>96272765
>>96272818
Just acknowledge Disney canon is a failure. Soft-bring Ahsoka, Mando, etc. into Legends, and continue from where Legacy left off.

>>96274317
I don't care, troll. Fuck off.

>>96260698 (OP)
wish I had a Star wars game.

alas the last two I had were killed by no shows from the GM, and my friend only considers SW5E because "I already know 5E"

>>96273876
Why would a random droid owned by a random smuggler be a Spartacus or Malcom X figure?

The point was clearly meant to be all the organic characters dismiss out of hand the concept of Droid Rights, that they would see such a character as shrill and idiotic, and not as a respectable or well educated figure that you'd take their arguments seriously. Because Droids don't have rights, and this is so normalized in their society that it doesn't occur to anyone to question the morality of this system.

If anything, her being a college-campus stereotype helps reinforce these themes. How many social issues have you dismissed the validity of, purely because you found the messenger to be annoying?

I also don't see the problem with Lando fucking anything that moves. Like I honestly don't get the objection. It's also not confirmed that Lando does fuck droids, just that his droid thinks that Lando wants to fuck her. She isn't exactly delusional, but she is shown to be someone that overestimates a lot of things, so this easily could have been her ego speaking.

>>96273960
That's not what allusion means.

Also- if someone ALMOST killed you, you'd be traumatized. It's pretty fucking bizarre to act like one can only be traumatized if the rape succeeds. She was already clearly in a bad mental state to begin with as well, still recovering from mind-breaking torture at the hands of the Empire. To have another Imperial try to victimize her probably reopened all those wounds.

About the only thing I think the scene overstepped is I think the word 'rape' shouldn't have been used. Not that I think it needs a euphemism- more I think Star Wars works better because it doesn't spell out everything for the chucklefucks in the cheap seats. Like- Jabba putting Leia in the sex-slave outfit. The audience shouldn't have to be told it's a bad thing (though I guess fucking morons do), it's just self-efacedly bad. Or how droids are slaves in this universe, or how the Jedi use child-soldiers.
>>96274001
That doesn't imply Lando fucked the droid. There are several alternate explanations
>The droid has fucked other organice
>The droid has seen or is aware of other organics fucking droids
>The droid is being delusional again, and over-simplifying how such an interaction would work because she's a know-nothing know-it-all

>>96262664
I’M GONNA GO OUT
I’M GONNA LET MYSELF GET
ABSOLUTELY SOAKING WEEEEEEEET

>>96270230
This.

>>96265535
Between all the FFG books, there's more than a hundred specializations spread across the 18 careers, and even more universal specializations. I have trouble imagining a character that couldn't be represented with at least one of them.