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Ich war noch niemals in New York, ich war noch niemals auf Hawaii.

Tripods should be used more

the blackjack is explicitly shaped funkily because it is built around its engine being wierdly shaped.

there's an existing canon art that shows cutaways showing how funky it is inside to fit its wierd engine.

swiggity swooty

>>96262303
But why is the engine weird?

>>96262292
When I went to Hawaii there were Germans fucking everywhere.

>>96262307
Something about the gm180? Sfe being fucktastically boondoggle-y or designed by comitte or some shit.

Fluffwise, how badly damaged a location 'destroyed' is in terms of repairs and stuff? Pretty much building a new one?

>>96262175
Fat and simple is the only way CGL can make minis, so shimmy decided it would be the universal aesthetic.

>>96262375
Ok faggot. We know you hate battletech. Fuckoff back to 40K already loser.

>>96262380
Ok shimmy.
Arguably worse art direction than project phoenix.

>>96262382
woah woah, look I'll shit on the modern stuff as much as the next guy, but let's not get crazy here. The Project Phoenix art was complete ass.

>>96262315
The older generations see hawaii as this mythical paradise on earth with smoking hot hula dancers, delicious fruits and succulent pig roasts everywhere.

>>96262386
I'm speaking of art direction, aesthetic.
Project phoenix mechs were bad primarily because they took mechs and made them look nothing like the original mechs. They otherwise just look kind of strange and they had weird things going on with their feet, the detailing and proportions aren't really offensive.
Shimmy has a habit of making some mechs look completely different while also making them short, fat and plastic.

>>96262447
Cry more you psychotic battletech hating fuck.

>>96262447
We have actual good art for the first time ever and you twits can't stop crying because it doesn't look enough like the stuff shat out in the 90s by someone's friend who got a C in art class and was sick the week they explained perspective.

>>96262175
Huh, I did not know the CV Leopard can land. I assumed it was space only design.

>>96262481
Most DropShips can land.

>>96262481
It's in the fluff that they can. The fluff just also says they're usually not taken into atmo in combat because the tail wing is super vulnerable to enemy fire.

>>96262480
>man who hates battletech's art only likes shimmy's work
What a surprise.

It always looked good.

What should I run for my group on Monday? I'm not in a situation to run a campaign or anything until mid september, but the group has started expecting someone to have some sort of drop in scenario people can show up to. Ironic, given how I like pickup games, but hey.

We had a nice game of Leviathans the other night, at least. Tried out airplane rules and got two new people onboard.

>>96262512
Did they drop the idea that some mechs could rotate their heads after the initial art on purpose or did they forget?

>>96262524
Dark Age Dracs vs. Stoners. Have the Drac force with a couple Dragon II's loaded with Inferno 4's, and have both forces with a lot of garbage conventionals and infantry. Also, have the Stoners with the old DA grogtech downgrades of 3080's tech instead of the 3120's retcon of fancy new Stoner chassis like the Lament instead of maximum Stoner demilitarization. So, like Blades and Targes and stuff. But give the Stoners a Knight in something cool and fancy, like maybe a clan heavy.

You can pretty much scale it up or down as much as you like, lots of crazy death, can crank the rules up or down depending on varients, different than typical era to play in. YMMV.

>>96262536
It started in MWO where heads were silhouetted and easily targeted so everything started having the heads crushed into the shoulders. Shimmy just did a lot of the same thing. In fluff, the heads still turn and stuff.

>>96262502
Anyone who criticizes the Shimseen hates Battletech. It's really that simple.

>>96262536
I think they just forget sometimes.
Some of shimmy's mechs still have heads that can rotate and then on others he just randomly goes out of his way to remove the neck, maybe he just doesn't like necks.

>>96262545
I feel as though that isn't the case.

>>96262553
That's one you literally can't do it with. Try looking at Alex's regular Quickdraw art vs. the MWO version, though.

>>96262548
The new Roku actually made me angry.

>>96262557
>That's one you literally can't do it with
Shimmy certainly tried.

>>96262568
>It's cold on this world, okay?
>Wide head but no Boomerang cockpit.
No sir. I don't like it.

Hey so I'm interested in knowing how many Mechs and other military units certain factions have at certain points in time. Is there a compiled list of that anywhere?
Something that goes "this faction had x number of mech regiments in 3025, and went up y number in 3060" or "this Clan's galaxies added up to x number of mechs and y number of Elemental points"

>>96262390
>and succulent pig roasts everywhere
Yes, there are a lot of Germans on the beaches.

>>96262639
In 3025, it's the house books. After that, it's the field manual series.

For the most part. There's some oddballs like 20 Year Update or 4th Succession War Atlas or sometimes Historical series like 1st Succession War. Or the original clan phonebooks for the Falcons and Wolves.

>>96262390
Has that even been true for the last decade or so? Like, Hawaii always had problems, but the last decade has not been kind to it.

>>96262639
Aside from what >>96262668 said I believe Battleforce also has a breakdown of it as well.

>>96262749
Hawaii's still nice, just not Oahu or to a lesser extent Maui. Lanai and Big Island are great.

I love the Big Island, there's amazing hiking in the interior, and Hilo feels like an actual place people live. It's not huge but the university helps liven it up a little.

The real problem with Hawaii is jobs. There's tourism, services, agriculture, and military, and fuck-all else, which is why I decided not to move there.

Well, that and I'm allergic to passionfruit, which is literally everywhere. Soap in public bathrooms gave me hives so I started carrying my own soap around, which is retarded.

>>96262787
well. maui is off limits for other reasons...

What the fuck did they do to the Leopard?

Is there ever any reason to bother with BA other than generic Elementals and IS standard ones?

>>96262925
Yes, LRM Halberks, Heavy needler Lyran Quads, Drac Zuchis, and other stuff commands its own niche in battle.

>>96262918
Looks fine to me.

>>96262925
Kages are good at tagging targets for artillery, Kanazuchis are a surprisingly solid strategically mobile turret, Salamanders are for when your enemy realizes you're spamming battle armor and tries to counter with inferno SRMs, Fa Shih can mechanize on non-omnimechs, dragoons can neurohack and steal enemy mechs mid batt-wait, no they can't...

>>96262918
They made it so that mechs could get off without stepping on its wings.

>>96262925
For what porpoise exactly?
Most BA can do something (even if that something is being RPG units).

>>96262918
That looks like the often forgotten carrier variant, which had a completely different wing designed (and was also less blocky in the original art), though the text seems to be about the standard Leopard, not Leopard CV. I guess it wouldn't be TRO3025 without some of the art getting mixed up (the original had art for some of the Ostmechs switched around).

I've been away for a few weeks so just catching up but when did CGL start producing buttplugs?

>>96262934
1. That's art of the leopard CV, it doesn't even carry mechs
2. There's already versions of the leopard that don't require stepping on the wings(which would presumably be reinforced for that not to be a problem anyway)

>>96263050
The fuck kind of butt plugs are you using?

>>96262985
The text refers to both dropships so it's more of a conscious decision to show off the other Leopard, which is almost identical to the regular except for appearance and aero bays

>>96263168
Amsterdam is an interesting place.

>>96262918
>let's make it even fatter and more ungainly than it already looked
He really can't help himself. I swear he must be a chubby chaser.

>>96263173
OG 3025 had four pages for the Leopard, with the second two covering notable ships and more art including the Leopard CV. Given the text here looks to be basically the same as the first page of the OG then they may have two more pages and just switched up which art they show first.

>>96262548
Probably a miniature design consideration. Easier to mold/less breakable that way.

>>96263267
>miniature design consideration
That's literally the entire point of shimmy's art direction, it's certainly not to make it look good.
The neck thing isn't consistent though.

So the advantages of ablative armor is that it provides disproportionate protection relative to the amount of actual armor being used, but the disadvantage is that it can be worn away by much smaller weaker weapons and it has a tendency to be suddenly pierced at random by weapons it normally would’ve blocked.

This makes it really good for mechs because most people don’t use aiming rules in-game and in-lore they have the plot armor to not get hit, but it doesn’t really make sense why people would use it on tanks where the aforementioned TAC’s would kill the tank. Did they just never develop a standard non-ablative armor that could defend against decent weapons in the setting?

>>96263658
Yup. There's not really an armor material that can just shrug off hits from BT weapons without ablating away.

>>96263658
It should be noted that weak enough primitive weapons will do literally zero damage to standard armor at all. TACs represent a variety of outcomes, some of which would also affect all or nothing armor.
Presumably, all or nothing armor of sufficient strength to be comparable to standard armor is physically impossible with the material science available to them.
Anything except the ablative armors will be less than BAR 10 and be even more vulnerable to armor-ignoring critical hits.
The way material science developed meant all or nothing armor was not practical for stopping hits as weapons developed, similar to how weapons development rendered simple RHA utterly impractical for protection, certain AT guns by the end of second world war being capable of penetrating over a foot of armor steel. Numerous layers of advanced composite ablative armor was the only way to have armor still act as armor.

>>96263784
Ablative armor would be amazing IRL if it weren't for the tendency for shots to randomly pass through all the layers.

>>96263846
gratz, they're red!

>>96263857
I don't know why I moved on from this scheme, it's fun to do.

>>96263870
probably due to your rampant homolust clouding your brain.

What's the general meta in vacuum aerospace combat for the current rule set? I've seen conflicting reports. My impressions: biggest ships possible, stuff as much tonnage as possible on. Get enough anti-missile to protect against arbitrary amounts of nukes, get an ECM system and stack fighters to the moon. Is carrier superiority still the rule of the day, or do direct fire battleships have a place in the black sea? Are screens a thing, or should you just put more points/ money into the big ship?

>>96263870
You should learn to paint.

There any mechs with asymmetrical armour? Like the RTR has 2 points more than the LTR, one leg has more than the other, something like that?

>>96263859
Most tanks in real life also often experience attacks bypassing their armor protection.
All MBTs have large areas of even their frontal armor only protected by tens of millimeters of armor steel and no composite, usually the lower glacis plate and turret ring. This is as good as unarmored as far as modern AT weapons are concerned.

>>96263924
Makes you wonder why they never bothered to develop an anti-mech tank to cover up those weak points.

>>96263658
iirc, the bottom most layer of armor is not ablative, but it's thin since most of the mass is ablative, so it ends up pretty easy to pen. You can't just double up on both, armor limits exist for a reason and the ablative part is way more important.

>>96263906
Can you point to a particular detail that would indicate someone who doesn't know how to paint?

>>96263947
Yeah, it's here. >>96263846

>>96263889
Heavy aerospace fighter swarms, if they haven't gimped the capital damage rules for those yet.

Just discovered the Viper VP-1 and want to add it to my roster, is there a decent STL out there? Defiance wargames or whatever has it but 30 in shipping is insanity

>>96263941
Any tank in battletech is subject to shots randomly hitting weakpoints or gaps, same as mechs.
There will always be locations where armor cannot be applied in sufficient quantities as to guarantee it defeats all attacks.

>>96263956
Would you be able to provide an example of someone who can paint?

>>96264007
They should just add a bunch of random bits sticking out of the tanks so that shots will hit those instead of the main body of the tank.

>>96263918
Off the top of my head just the War Dog with 24 points of armor on the right arm and 16 on the left. And while I understand the basic idea since the RA has a gauss rifle and the LA an LPL, if it weren't for other questionable decisions it could just have max armor all around.

>>96264017
Yeah.

>>96264036
Small bits would simply collapse without providing proper resistance and the majority of the attack's force would continue on to hit the armor.

>>96264036
It's called a cope cage and it's been quite funny to watch in Ukraine.

>>96263889
Depends on era and what you are facing.
Generally it goes Warships fuck Dropships which can fuck Aerospace which in turn can fuck Warships assuming playing something like Star League era. That doesn't stop though some Warships being built like Battlestars and having ungodly anti fighter defenses or Dropships having pocket anti-cap ship weapons later on. Plus you get things like screen launchers which are referenced in earlier eras but don't really show up mainly IS side till late Clan Invasion.

>>96264057
That's not how it works in BT. If you hit the leg of a mech, it doesn't then go through into the torso.

>>96263906
You should learn to control your jealousy

>>96264092
Damage. Transfer. Diagram.

>>96264092
If a small bit of the armor is jutting out of the leg then a hit to that small bit would deal full damage to the leg, as it would be counted as part of the leg, rendering this entire concept pointless.

>>96264114
Not if the armor counts as a separate piece of the vehicle.

>>96264092
That's precisely how it works.

>>96264131
da fuk

Then why are people always saying shit like 'mechs are better cause they have more parts you need to destroy'

>>96264135
Damage tends to spread out more, and losing any given location isn't a dead mech, unlike with how vees work.
Try playing a few games with combined arms, and you'll get a feel for how they differ in practice.

>>96264131
TSM Great Turtle, and the Commando got close enough to get kicked? That wasn't a murder, that was a suicide.

>>96264052
Max armour is dumb and makes the game less fun. Quit being a fag.

>>96264162
Always felt weird to me that a tank getting a mobility kill was a huge deal but a mech losing a leg was just 'No biggie, just hop on one foot and keep fighting.'

>>96264135
Vehicles are subject to a variety of crits, mostly because they can't armor their motive systems as mechs can armor their limbs. They're less mobile, they're very vulnerable if a mech gets in real close. A mech usually isn't at risk of catastrophic crits if it gets hit in the arm or side torso, and hits to the leg are much less likely to cripple its mobility.
Tanks aren't that much worse off if a mech of similar weight decides to just sit at a comfortable distance and get into a shooting contest.
They're quite good as armored slabs of guns that mechs don't want to duel at range, but that doesn't mean they're certain to win against comparable mechs even in that scenario.

>>96264131
MM shows the unit sprite in damage resolution now?

>>96264190
Losing a leg does generally render you combat ineffective, since you have to prop up and shoot. Or stand up with that +5 modifier, and even then you only get 1 MP.

>>96264190
>but a mech losing a leg was just 'No biggie, just hop on one foot and keep fighting
Unless you're a supernaturally skilled pilot losing a leg means you're traveling one hex per turn for the rest of the game. They're not immobile but they're moving at a literal crawl, dragging themselves along the ground.

>>96264190
>anon thinks a mech losing a leg isn't a big deal

Anon, even just some crits to a leg's actuator is more or less mission kill. You lose a tremendous amount of combat effectiveness.

>>96263658
Anon, it's a game.

Although admittedly a War Thunder-esque mech sim game is something that makes me extremely horny.

>>96264173
It's not a great turtle, it's a greater turtle.

>>96264197
>mostly because they can't armor their motive systems as mechs can armor their limbs
There's literally an option for armoring their motive systems tho

>>96264237
That's a bonus to crit rolls, it doesn't make it immune to mobility crits and it's still going to be more vulnerable than a mech in that regard. It also requires additional weight dedicated to the feature.

>>96264237
I've made a few designs with armoured components. I like them a lot for trooper mechs. Never tried armoring up all the actuators though... That'd be what? 1.5T per limb? so 6t total?

I like this one a lot. I think it might be an illegal design because of the two melee weapons in one hand.

>>96264229
I don't know why you're constantly encouraging people to think less, especially when that isn't even the solution.
Desperate for company, I suppose. There's definitely room in that cavernous space where your brain is supposed to be.
>>96264294
Armored components and armored motive system are not the same thing, they function differently.

>>96264190
Honestly, I always thought they should've counted the legs as a single unit like Front Mission, Armored Core and a lot of other Mech games do.

Whats the most produced mech ever? I'll take guesses if theres no concrete anwser.

>>96264346
Wasp, I believe.

>>96264346
I’m guessing Locust, or a similar bug mech

>>96263870
>>96263857
>>96263846
That is really neat, bet it gets a reaction at tourneys.

>>96264334
>I don't know why you're constantly encouraging people to think less, especially when that isn't even the solution.
... I'm not? uwu.

I just meant that realistically, the armour shouldn't be ablative and should instead have complex formula for hit penetration and whatnot. Which while cool, isn't very well suited to a dice based TTRPG.

I even said that it'd be super cool in a milsim game.

>Armored components and armored motive system are not the same thing, they function differently.
I was under the impression that both made each slot take a two crits?

I'm pretty sure you can add the armoured components trait to an actuator?

What's an armoured motive system do?

>>96264370
Nazi anon doesn't play the game.

>>96264366
It's either the Stinger or Wasp, but the Locust tends to turn up more in video games and other secondary media because all the legal BS with the macross/Robotech stuff wasn't completely put to bed until fairly recently. Which, honestly I'm OK with, because the Locust actually looks like it would be cheaper to mass produce and maintain in large numbers than something humanoid.

>>96264398
Armored motive system is specific to vehicles. It makes crits less likely, is not destroyed by prevented crits, and takes an additional percentage of the vehicle's weight to add in construction.
You play the game but do not have access to this information?

>>96264420
I love Locusts so much. Reminds me of a tie fighter.

Big agree on the utilitarian nature of the design, seems very realistic compared to most. ... Although I suppose the torso should be a bit more tank turret shaped.

>>96264468
I don't usually make custom vehicles, and I didn't open up my books to check (hence me asking you, :3c).

Thank you for the clarification.

>picrel

Last (reposted) custom for now. I like this one quite a lot. The idea being that is an extremely customized Bingle Dragon that gets used by a particular *cough cough* pilot that is sent on solo assassination/guerrilla missions.

Basically meant to be a more fun Exterminator.

>>96264075
One wonders why everyone keeps using slat armor if it doesn't work. A mystery we'll never have the answer to, I'm sure.
I wish there was an official depiction of all the alternatives to standard armor.

>>96262787
Last time I was in Maui it was great. Granted, that was before the volcano, and I think most of the plantations had pulled out earlier that year.

>>96264370
I don't play at gamestores or events, just kitchens and garages with people I know.

>>96263846
>>96263857
>>96263870
I had an idea to do a scheme like years ago this but with virtical stripes. Cool to see it on the table

>>96262292
Im Himmel gibt's kein Bier!

>>96263784
>It should be noted that weak enough primitive weapons will do literally zero damage to standard armor at all.
Fall damage.

>>96264727
>Fall damage.
What about it?

>>96264743
We have a minimum energy for what is needed to do a point of Armor Damage.

Do you ever use IICs, or only omnis?

I'm surprised there hasn't been a World War 1 equivalent in the setting yet leading to a rise in nationalism and a souring on the opinion of the monarchs

>>96265045
Ww1 happened.

>>96264919
Phoenix Hawk IIC is fun. Shadow Hawk IIC as well, and I have used a Locust IIC before and quite like it. I have not had a chance to field any of the others yet, despite owning painted models for many of them.

>>96265045
In order for another WW1 to happen you would have to have:
>Mass transportation (doesn't exist in the setting)
>Mass industrialization (also doesn't exist)
>Widespread conscription and industrial warfare (not possible with the technology level of the setting)
>An alternative to monarchism (democracy and fascism isn't possible in the setting because of limited communication and decentralization)
>Rising nationalism (people don't care about those things)

>>96264877
>>96265045
>>96265098

>>96265045
>a rise in nationalism
Jihad.
They didn't collect those mechs because they were peacenicks, they collected them because the Wobbies had gone fully Ophra and handed mechs to anybody who sounded like they had beef with either the carrion lords or the clanners.

>>96264919
I don't use clan mechs.

>>96264877
And light rifles don't meet it.
Tough.

>>96265156
The Jihad was religious fundamentalism, not nationalism.

>>96264919
Other battlemechs, or omnis, rarely IICs. Most of the IICs bug me, they don't really feel 'second line.'

>>96265045
There is nationalism in all of the great houses to some degree.

>>96265241
Eh, I wouldn't call familial loyalty 'nationalism' per se. You can be loyal to a dynasty or your family without being a nationalist. Even a muslim immigrant who despises most aspects of British culture can still love Queen Elizabeth.

>>96265203
It was not a war of religious fundamentalism for the Word or Blake militas.

>>96265269
It pretty much was though. What were they gonna fight for if not for their faith?

>>96265241
The Cappies are the only ones even trying to be a nation state at the interstellar level.

>>96265288
And even then they're not really trying all that hard, they still practice feudalism.

>>96265282
The Word of Blake militas generally were anybody willing to fight alongside the Wobbies, with most of them being people who joined for nationalist, anti-succ lord motivations.
The Wobbies were mad because the Succ lords would not fight the Clans, so anybody who's mad at the Succ lords was a friend of theirs.

>>96265252
No, there are people in all of the successor states the are loyal to the nation as a concept.

>>96265305
Right, but not enough of them to be a threat to the monarchies.

>>96265282
A very significant amount of them were fighting for Terra or New Earth or some other core world that had previously been pushed around by succ states or left passive by comstar or otherwise fought over with no input from themselves. There were a lot of nationalists for the pseudo-nation of surviving Hegemony worlds. Also a lot of mercenaries who were disenfranchised with the existing systems. And some that were blackmailed.

>>96265328
Don't the black dragons regularly murder their monarch for the sake of the nation?

>>96265347
I'd assume they do it more for their own sake, ala the Jannisaries and Praetorians.

>>96265045
the only successor states that have nationalism are the capellans and lyrans

>>96265305
>>96265328
Do we have idiots here? If nationalism were anti-monarchical, then the Brits wouldn't be putting up with the Windsor's tax-dodging.
It wasn't nationalism that made the difference, it was enough people becoming convinced that the people collectively are sovereign and a king, at best, an executive of theirs.

>>96265347
>>96265360
No, they generally murder them because they don't Bushido hard enough. Originally, they murdered them because they were of the Kurita family, but that was a hard sale, so they just started claiming that the Kurita don't Bushido correctly and that convinced a lot of people that they need to be murdered.

>>96265372
FWL has nationalism for its member states. The entire reason the Anduriens and Regulans keep being problems is that their nationalism for themselves is greater than any attachment they have to the league overall. Sometimes it's because their attachment to the league has decreased rather than their attachment to themselves increasing, but the result is the same.

>>96265376
Nationalism isn't always anti-monarchy, but monarchy is always anti-nationalism.

>>96265394
regulans a little, but the anduriens don't. it's literally just a cult of personality built around the humphreys after morgaine humphreys was assassinated.

>>96264629
Ah, so you don't play the game at all. Well, at least you're enjoying yourself so I guess there's that

Are heavier, highier-tier tanks and combat vehicles (demolisher, manticore, schrek, brutus, bulldog etc) rare and similarly rare to lighter/cheaper mechs or are they far more plentiful so you may still see some actually dangerous tanks in the planetary militia force instead of just scorpions and such all the way through?

>>96265431
They're sorta the 'cheap knockoff' version of a mech. Like, you wouldn't build a manticore if you could afford a mech, but if you can't afford a mech, a manticore is better than nothing, which tends to be the case for the less populated and poorer planets.

>>96265431
They're not as rare as heavy mechs, but heavy vehicle bays take up 100 tons, while light vehicle bays only take 50 (and mech bays take 150), so it becomes a question of efficiency to move them around. You could take 4 mechs, 6 heavy vehicles, or 12 light vehicles in the same tonnage.

>>96265444
If I'm the commander of a planetary garrison, I'd rather have two manticores than a Shadowhawk or something.

>>96265461
And it's worth noting that 4 mechs will typically beat up to 8 heavy vehicles so there's no question that the mechs are more efficient space-wise.

>>96265467
You'd be a fool then. We've ran the tests before, the mech ends up winning about 70% of the time against two tanks with an equivalent tonnage. Or, in other words, 60 tons of mech will beat 120 tons of tank most of the time.

>>96265399
>but monarchy is always anti-nationalism.
I've no idea how you came to that conclusion. Great Britain, Germany, Austria, Italy and Russia all were monarchies at the start of WW1 and most of their military leaders were rather happy to report that their population had finally attained a good level of nationalism.

>>96265469
Yeah, an assault lance can probably take out two lances of mixed vehicles 9 times out of 10. Depends on the mechs and vehicles in question, obviously. 4 charger1a1s aren't going to handle 4 demolishers and 4 SRM carriers, to cherry pick an ideal scenario.

>>96265479
What tests? Show me 1 shadowhawk beating two manticores, to say nothing of the fact that more units gives you more strategic options.

>>96265479
Not to mention that in-lore it gets even worse since tank crews have infamously poor morale (it's not exactly encouraging to a tank crew to be a disposable cheap alternative to a mech that's designed to die en masse)

>>96265492
Great Britian was literally a union of like 3 different nations governing an empire of like 20 nations, they were proud of their king I'm sure but hardly nationalist

>>96265498
The main concern for defense should be coverage, really. You want to be able to guard all the places that might get attacked and prevent feints and runarounds. If you only have a few heavy units and they place themselves directly in front of the enemy, then you've got nothing if it turns out the enemy has split themselves up to go attack two places or the main force you're looking at is actually a diversion. You want tanks and stuff to be in front of an enemy Locust no matter which way it runs, and you don't want to spread yourself so thin that it just bonks a single Vedette before moving on to its destination. That's why so many raids seem to end in a single fight against small defenses. There are other defenders, but they're defending other potential targets or guarding other approaches and won't be able to redeploy in time.

>>96265533
They should listen to the experts, "He who defends everything defends nothing".

>>96265541
Against raids that can land anywhere on the planet, defending only one thing is also defending nothing.

>>96265541
The "experts" should also know that defending one thing is the closest thing to defending nothing.

>>96265553
Well theoretically the best weapon to use for defending a planet would be ASF's since you can just take out the raiders before they even land (or at least take out their supply lines so they're stuck on the planet and then bomb them to hell with the ASF's which can fly anywhere).

But this being Battletech they're never going to do that.

>>96265562
Depends on what the raiders are in. Leopards aren't good as long term bases, but they are good at raiding. If you deploy ASF against a Leopard, it will deploy its own ASF and is itself basically an ultraheavy ASF. There's a good chance it wins that fight.

>>96265587
If the enemy is packing their own ASF's then those are vehicles which won't be able to pick up cargo and carry it back to the dropship like a mech can so they're inherently diminishing their own raiding capacity. Not to mention you can always just wait for the dropship to drop off the enemy mechs and then pick off the mechs after, ASF's are able to fire at mechs from beyond visual range with the mechs not able to fire back so it's pretty much a turkey shoot, and the ASF's are all VTOLs too so you can't even win by targeting a runway since they could take off from anywhere.

At the end of the day there's a reason most players don't play with people that go too heavy on the ASF's and why the lore prefers to forget they exist.

>>96265189
>Light Rifles then damaging it.

>>96265678
The Leopard defaults to 4 mechs and 2 ASF. If you pull the ASF bays it is almost always for generic cargo instead of 6 mechs. Frankly if the Leopard is all you have, it's almost mandatory since you won't even have enough cargo space to hold spare ammo or replacement armor, nevermind loot or anything else you might be carrying. Realistically, you drop with the Leopard since it is fast and powerful and then pick up with something that can actually carry cargo.

>>96265678
ASFs are not all VTOLs.

>>96265678
>ASF's are able to fire at mechs from beyond visual range with the mechs not able to fire back
Since when.

>>96265777
>ASFs are not all VTOLs.
They literally are.

>>96265787
Mechs can not see aircraft at altitude level 9 or above (P.99 Total Warfare). Each level is 50m, so aircraft are untouchable to mechs above 1,500 feet or 450m, so an ASF is able to just orbit and continuously drop bombs or Arrow IV's on the enemy.

>>96265833
Yet in actual games they just end up getting tagged and lawndarting.

>>96265872
>Mecha have plot armor
More news at 7:00

>>96265952
Sir, we're strictly human supremacists here.

>>96265833
Very interesting use of "continuously" to mean "for a minute or less before needing to return to base"

>>96265952
God, that's a good-looking Grand Titan, in FWG colors too.

>>96265810
VTOL is another unit type. ASFs aren't VTOLs.

The Clan Invasion was a good era.
I think they should do another Clan Invasion.
But with some ancient offshoot of the Terran Hegemony that fled beyond known space, and have returned with Mackie-LAM's, Jump-Tanks and drone swarms.

>>96266258
All ASF are VTOLs, not all VTOLs are ASF

>>96265710
leopard with 6 mech doors and bays for your attack force, followed in by a cargo union that has the top four bays as ASF bays for hot cap launch.

>>96266177
have you heard of the concept of 'on station' and Air Support?

>>96264346
Stinger, officially

>>96266419
The best kind of on-station air support has capital weapons in its rear arc so it can hover at a couple dozen kilometers up.

>>96266268
Another Clan Invasion is unironically possible.

But since the Adders are in charge now, they'll invade with everyone instead of pussying around.

>>96266293
Anything can land vertically at least once.

>>96266915
That's only VL, missing the TO

>>96266820
Lol, McKenna sucks. It's hard countered by a Leviathan 3.

>>96262524
I don't lurk here consistently enough to know, have you ever put up a set of homebrew campaign rules? Direct action is just single scenarios right?

>>96262649
>Yes, there are a lot of Germans on the beaches.
This a very unsettling phrase.

>>96266293
VSTOL is not VTOL.

>>96266293
Can they also do vtol takeoffs?

>>96267088
Yes. >>96267081

>>96267081
>>96266807
Not going to lie, that's kinda gay. I suppose anything with a T/W in excess of 1 can take off vertically, but how is it getting orientated to be a tail sitter if it landed normally?

>>96267100
Fighters have belly drives just like DS. It's how they can hover in combat. You usually just use it for space transit. It's why you can land but not take off VSTOL, though.

>>96267100
The specifics probably vary by design but it's clear VTOL capability just kind of became a requirement just like handling the same both in and out of atmo.

>>96267081
>>96267136

Motherfucker, just read the revised thing. It used to just be landing only on standard grav worlds.

>>96266978
It isn't, actually. Lev 3 is much better against fighters, but McKenna is probably better against another WarShip.

>>96267081
Not a canon source

>>96267017
If you've ever been to Europe, you'd know that Germans digging entrenchments is standard at all beaches.

>>96267169
Not him, but just the amount of fighters the Lev carries is a hard counter. Fighter squadrons are the best way to kill a warship.

>>96267136
Are you sure fighters have belly drives? They don't have strategic fuel consumption and some at least explicitly have chair that reconfigure for atmosphere and space.

>>96267191
The McKenna also carries 50 fighters.

And several DropShips.

But anyone, the original post was about orbital support, not anti-ship combat anyway.

Also, consider

>The Awesome is worthless since it's hard-countered by the Warhawk

>>96267216
>>96267136

>>96267216
Yes. It's even mentioned in the beginning of the very first novel The Sword and the Dagger. You are right about the strategic consumption, though.

Besides, even in the regular ground combat rules, you can burn 2 thrust at 0 forward speed to just hover, and point your weapons in the normal direction. That should indicate the same thing.

Herb totally did an old Battlechat about this back in like 2011 I wish I had where he talked about trying to take off with the belly drive on anything heavier than a moon would fuck the fighter. Now they just changed it to fuck having runways at all. Pisses me off.

>>96267227
Yes, anon. We are aware ASF are space fighters that just happen to function in atmo. They aren't vectoring their main engines for the most part. Just look at the art.

Fun fact, the Chippewa's wings fold into a square when not in atmosphere.

>>96267240
>Yes. It's even mentioned in the beginning of the very first novel The Sword and the Dagger.

Neat.

>Besides, even in the regular ground combat rules, you can burn 2 thrust at 0 forward speed to just hover, and point your weapons in the normal direction. That should indicate the same thing.

That's a good point.

>Herb totally did an old Battlechat about this back in like 2011 I wish I had where he talked about trying to take off with the belly drive on anything heavier than a moon would fuck the fighter. Now they just changed it to fuck having runways at all. Pisses me off.

Even going back to FASA there were always issues with practicalities getting in the way of aesthetics.

>>96267240
It still makes sense to build runways in the current rules, you don't need any rolls if you taxi normally.

>>96267315
Cool. Thanks, anon. I haven't flown birds on a regular map in a long time. God, I miss the days when I did it every other week. Time comes for us all.

Would Battletech be the 2nd most realistic mech game (after Heavy Gear) would you say? Not setting, just game.

>>96267413
>Mechs being little quick support things and basically VOTOMS is most realistic.
>Mechs being WWI battleships in terms of taking a beating and firing is second-most-realistic.

I don't really see the pattern here. But I'm a mech supremacist so I like Battletech better where they're more dominant over other combat forms as a fighting vehicle.

>>96267315
The runway requirement is also much more lenient than modern planes. Even dropships don't need that much of a run, and it doesn't have to be perfectly smooth.

>>96267226
for one warhawk, cant you buy/make like four awesomes?

>>96267438
Well we're just talking about games. If we included any settings then you'd see stuff like the mechs from Patlabor, Ghost in the Shell, and Avatar above Battletech and VOTOMS.

The primary thing putting Heavy Gear above Battletech is that Battletech largely relies upon game mechanics and plot armor to explain why a mech is somehow more durable than a tank of the same tonnage, while Heavy Gear just says their mechs aren't as strong as tanks.

>>96267226
>The McKenna also carries 50 fighters.
>And several DropShips.
The McKenna carries 50 ASFs and 6 dropships, and 1600 tons of armor.

The Leviathan III carries 60 ASFs and 20 dropships and 5700 tons of the same kind of armor. And it's totally immune to nuclear capital missiles.

A Lev III can kill 2 McKennas at once without even trying hard. It's not even a contest. 3 McKennas at once depends on the dropship loadout, but the AA grid of the leviathan is actually functional, and the McKennas have no ASF defense at all except their own fighters. 4 McKennas will probably overwhelm the Lev III, but no faction in the game actually has that, so it's a pointless comparison. And if nukes are in play, the Lev III can kill off a functionally infinite number of Warships while not being damaged by enemy nukes at all due to its AMS grid. It's a fucking retardedly good ship that never should been published. It's the BT equivalent of putting a fully armed Space Marine against grade school children armed with knives.

>>96267468
AMS effecting capital missiles is an optional rule.

>>96267514
So is using warships. What of it?

>>96267521
Kissing me sloppy style isn't an optional rule though.

and yet I remain unsmooched.

>>96263846
you got that article wrong

>>96267653
We've already been over this, it's not the first German ship ever to be referred to in the masculine, both of the ships named Kaiser Wilhelm were also referred to in the masculine, it is a conscious choice.

>>96262568
Is Anthony Scroggins a shitty art director out of spite of better artists like Alex Iglesias and Matt Plog? Alex can do different art styles with a consistent quality level and Plog actually improved over time, but Scroggins always made stiff, plastic art

>>96267724
Shimmy hasn't been the art director in years. BT art directors name is Marco. Shimmy just approves renders for minis. He wasn't Mormon enough to keep the position.

>>96267665
No, you just do not speak German. That's why. Also even if we go with the article for the the noun used as a name, as you claim is why it is "der" Kaiser Wilhelm, it would still be the wrong article. The only way I see this to be a conscious choice is that you consciously wanted it to be wrong.

>>96267453
You can buy 2 McKennas for the price of one Leviathan.

>>96267797
>as you claim
No, that's history, dumbass.

>>96267468
>warship designed by munchkins trying to optimize is more powerful than warship designed by people who had literally just invented the idea of warships

News at 11.

>>96267836
do you have a source for that? genuinely interested.

>>96267847
You're the one who knows everything so finding the information should be easy for you.

>>96267867
Oh, so it is a claim. Gotcha

I just checked the German Wikipedia page because I was curious

>>96267847
NTA
Biefang, Andreas; Epkenhans, Michael; Tenfelde, Klaus. Das politische Zeremoniell im Deutschen Kaiserreich 1871–1918 (in German). p. 202.

>>96267922
I don't know german, could you translate this for me?

>>96267973
It says that the Kaiser insisted on on a male article for the ship "Imperator" and that HAPAG (apparently a company from context, I'm assuming the one that built the ship) went along with it and used the term in all of their correspondence and advertising media.

It doesn't say if anyone else every called it that.

Also, that ship isn't the Kaiser Wilhelm II.

>>96267922
>>96267973
here is the english page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Imperator

>>96267996
Kaiser Wilhelm II insisted on the male article for the ship Imperator, I suspect anons in this thread have conflated that with the ships Kaiser Wilhem II, which used the standard feminine articles.

>>96267461
Heavy Gear/Votoms does the exact opposite of mechs replacing tanks, and has the mechs replace infantry. They can still take out tanks but as a squad, and they come out the other end where the mechs are now cheaper and more mass produced. Suddenly tanks are now the big heavy ones that cost a bunch fighting a horde of speedy and replaceable guys.

Heavy gear does a good job of playing this out. All tanks versus all mechs is like the opposite of battletech's roles, but the mechs are still more flexible units. You can dump points into them and make some really fierce mechs though.

>>96268021
>I suspect anons in this thread have conflated that with the ships Kaiser Wilhem II, which used the standard feminine articles.

I can see how that might happen, it wouldn't be hard to go from remembering
>Kaiser Wilhelm demanded that a ship be referred to as masculine for the sake of his autism
to
>Kaisar Wilhelm demanded that the ships named *after him* be referred to as masculine for the sake of his autism

>>96267884
I swear kids these days fear nothing more than they fear independent research.

>>96268027
Or you could just play Peace River and have mechs the size of tanks along with your mechs the size of gears.

>>96267996
correct. Also, the article for "Imperator" itself is "der".

So, one could argue that there has existed a ship using the masculine article but that is only because the article of the name giving noun is masculine in itself.

That doesn't save the "Der Schloss" from being wrong, because "Schloss" is neutral.
Also, ships usually do not use articles in their names to begin with.

Any road, it is a clunky name, though of by some wehraboo for a fictional universe a thousand years in the future, so, eh.

Just one last thing, you should have used the traditional writing of Schloß, not the new one with ss instead of ß. Would have been more true to the overall theme you are going for.

>>96267996
>>96268021
I was actually thinking of the ship "Kaiser Wilhem the Great"

>>96268044
>kids these days fear nothing more than they fear independent research.
Source for this?

>>96268049
>Would have been more true to the overall theme you are going for.
The overall theme is always to be viewed through the lens of a thousand years separation, a thousand years that includes at least one full century of the German culture being heavily censored, tabooed and policed by outside cultures.
Remember, it is currently illegal in deutschland to sing certain songs, some of which were written before that period of history.

>>96268055
actually, that ship was Die Kaiser Wilhelm Der Grosse, so still feminine articles despite also using a masculine one in the name

>>96268064
Kek.

>>96268064
Chuckled slightly.

>>96268049
>not the new one with ss instead of ß
You know how hard it was just to paint the fancy gothic capital D and S? I was not doing an eszett as well.
On that topic that D is my favourite bit of freehand ever, I am so proud of my big D.

If your mech or spaceship is a dude then it's gay when you're inside him.

That's why boats are all chicks.

>>96268044
It should be on the person making the claim to provide proof that it's correct, not the person refuting it to provide proof that it's incorrect.

>>96267136
crack pipe

>>96268136
It should be on the person who claims to know to actually know.

If you'll excuse my ancient meme, we have a solution for this.

>>96268147
There should also be Russian with just nothing.

>>96268069
>The overall theme is always to be viewed through the lens of a thousand years separation, a thousand years that includes at least one full century of the German culture being heavily censored, tabooed and policed by outside cultures.
But your German is still wrong...

>>96268170
Your German is wrong, you would be laughed at by a German speaker of 200 years ago, and you'd be incapable of communication with German speakers of a thousand years ago.

>>96268027
Mechs as infantry always did make the most sense. If you're going to make an infantry-shaped vehicle, it's probably best off doing infantry things.

>>96268170
Fuck off Manic

>>96268189
>Your German is wrong, you would be laughed at by a German speaker of 200 years ago, and you'd be incapable of communication with German speakers of a thousand years ago.

Neither of those things is probably true. Middle German and even Old German are largely intelligible to modern German speakers.

>>96268225
Translate:
>Eis skulun standan in gatwon, qithandans du sis misso

>>96268225
"Intelligible" and "correct" are different things.
One can speak german using modern english grammar and be understood, they would still be laughed at.

>>96268242
That was more addressing the second part.

As far as being made fun of...probably in Vienna or Berlin, maybe in Cologne or Mainz, but in general German was non-uniform enough that people werent' too judgy about it.

>>96268027
They don’t replace infantry entire, just in some specific roles. What they really replace are recon vehicles and heavily armed IFVs

>>96267413
It wouldn’t even be in the top 10

>>96268327
What other mech games would rank above it?

>>96268225
>>96268232
>Middle German and even Old German are largely intelligible to modern German speakers.
Middle High German's anywhere 30-70% intelligible, I understand.

Welt ir nu hœrn wie Artûs
von Karidœl ûz sîme hûs
und ouch von sîme lande schiet,
als im diu messenîe riet?

>>96268322
Ehhhhh...half of an IFV's function is to transport infantry, and the other half of an IFV's function is to fight alongside the infantry.

Since most mechs can't carry infantry, the only way for a mech to replace the role of an IFV is if it IS the infantry of the setting (just with IFV level firepower)

>>96268341
More intelligible than Old English. Even Middle English is questionable.

Middle French is funny because the writing is fairly similar, but somewhere in the past three centuries or so Parisians stopped pronouncing a solid third of their letters.

>>96267413
No. The TW rules are so abstract that they barely make sense as anything other than a game.

It's basically Dwarf Fortress, the Land Battleship Accident simulator.

>>96268368
The rules are actually one of the main reasons for Battletech ranking so high. The rules are so simulationsist that the game accidentally simulates realistic warfare a little too well and it relies on the players having gentlemen agreements to keep things fun and focused on the mechs.

>>96268322
>>96268344
They're the troop, the transport, and the infantry support all in one. And under budget. There's not much left to wonder why everyone uses them.

>>96268358
my biggest complaint of french is from the french just randomly deciding to do it recently? and it's actually the fault of urbanites?

>>96268384
>The rules are so simulationsist that the game accidentally simulates realistic warfare a little too well
Somewhat. It's also that a bunch of units are incredibly cheap regardless of the settings deployment limitations because BV is an imperfect system, and a lot of the extra rules aren't massively balanced, and that mechs frequently have terrible game design for fighting things other than other mechs.

Does forced withdrawal work with non-mechs? Because people playing infantry as stubborn tentpoles that will get individually targeted with lasers to the last in vanilla games always feels weird and it's half the reason they stick around way, way too long.

>>96268358
>>96268401
All the letters added to English spelling the German printers stole from the French.

>>96268427
The French still write them, they just don't pronounce them.

>eaux intensifies

>>96268401
The "elites" must be different from the plebs and they'll make up ridiculous new accents and speech patterns to do it. They'll also completely abandon cultural icons once the normies get them. Fashions, food trends, certain types of gatherings or parties, tons of shit that used to be daily or weekly events for the rich stopped being anything at all when they became affordable and regular people got in.

>>96268438
>The "elites" must be different from the plebs and they'll make up ridiculous new accents and speech patterns to do it.

Lol @you thinking that the elites care enough about the plebs to distinguish themselves from them.

French has been gradually losing consonants since the time of Charlemagne (the Strasbourg Oaths, a treaty signed between two of Charlemagne's grandsons, already shows the loss of several consonant sounds in the writing; spelling typically got frozen in European languages in the 16th Century) and it's unclear why.

Current theory is that the very strong accent on a word's first syllable in Frankish caused them to keep that in Proto-French or Gallic Romance or whatever you want to call it, and then from there the trend just continued.

>>96268504
The elites care enough that whenever the plebs get their hands on what was once an exclusive pastime or food item, they stop interacting with it at all. Gelatin was once an elite food because only someone with a full time kitchen staff could actually have it made regularly. Then they came out with pre-made sheets and the dried powder and now it's a poor food for little kids.
Same with pineapples, they used to have banquets just to show off that they had managed to secure the presence of one (1) single pineapple. They rented that one pineapple and then returned it for the next rich dipshit to rent until it rotted away. Only the richest of the rich would buy them outright to actually eat. Now it's welfare food in a can.
Aristocrats literally made up ways of speaking to differentiate themselves. They exaggerated the fuck out of those snobby accents on purpose. That's literally why when I say "snobby accent", you know what I'm talking about.

>>96268542
>>96268504
That's just the function of class displays. Pretty much every society had a big dumb hat it's illegal to wear unless you're the grand poohbah. There's records of nobility complaining about the heavy, hot outfits they have to wear, but playing your role properly is one of the expectations.
How heavy is the crown but literally, gold is heavy.

Of course class roles are all fucked up now. Saw a killer post recently about how the wealthy are seen to be grindsetting away, on their phone or laptop and in business uniform at all times, while the poor are now stereotyped as lazy and witless, eating grapes on a pile of pillows in their snuggy. Honestly not a bad trade.

>>96268542
>Same with pineapples, they used to have banquets just to show off that they had managed to secure the presence of one (1) single pineapple. They rented that one pineapple and then returned it for the next rich dipshit to rent until it rotted away.

That was never the real elites, that was the aspirational middle class.

Also, this
>Gelatin was once an elite food because only someone with a full time kitchen staff could actually have it made regularly.

is bullshit. Making gelatin by hand takes some time, but no more skill than any housewife had before the 50s.

>There's records of nobility complaining about the heavy, hot outfits they have to wear, but playing your role properly is one of the expectations.

I actually recently saw a YouTube video about how annoyed English ladies were by the incredibly old-fashioned court dress that Queen Charlotte made them all wear.

By this time, everyone was wearing the Regency-era dresses you're thinking of from Jane Austen movies with the "waistline" just under the boobies and dresses being generally very fine and honestly kinda comfortable-looking.

>>96268344
The thing is that APCs already exist for the former, and gears do the latter better than IFVs can. And there are a lot of scenarios where gears can straight up replace infantry.

>>96268368
>>96268384
The rules are only simulationist in the sense that they simulate a lot of different processes. What they didn’t do is simulate any of those processes with any degree of realism; none of the outcomes you get will make any sense to someone who knows what real firefights are like. Real tactics can still break the game but that’s just because they’re good tactics, not anything with the game itself.

>>96268714
Check this shit out. It looks cool and comfortable!

I also think it's funny how much it looks like underwear from not very long before. This shit was arguably like a bikini when it was first introduced (by contemporary standards).

I wish that CGL leant into the bizarre fashion like FASA did.

>>96268722
>And there are a lot of scenarios where gears can straight up replace infantry.

At the end of the day the only thing you really need infantry for that things like Gears or Battle Armor can't do is go into houses and buildings.

On the other hand, that thing is super important.

>>96268739
Yeah, infantry will always be necessary but the amount of things it’s necessary for will keep going down

>>96268739
This is why we're probably only ever going to build human-sized mechs, cause honestly the operational adaptability brought on by being able to fit into human-centric infrastructure is well worth downscaling your mech a little bit (and you can still carry substantial weaponry even at a human-size if you specialize your mechs, a robo-dog mech designed for climbiing stairs could easily also mount a 20 millimeter autocannon for example).

>>96262568
I don't see how the proportions were made any worse here, the annihilator having a long neck was only a piggy thing

>>96269003
Wrong.

I really wish they used the Imp with skull face and the Annihilator with tail for the Gothic instead of millionth Atlas and Marauder. I mean the Gothic is stupid but if they had to do it why couldn't they have done it to go 11

>>96269079
this was from the updated TRO 3050 CGL released in 2007, so the conclusion I'm reaching here is that shimmy is just retvrning to tradition.

>>96269116
Shimmy's is much squater and wider, so no.

>>96269094
They're trying to hit the broadest appeal, I reckon. It's already going to be a niche product, and most people aren't going to be interested in new sculpts of Dragoon snowflake mechs. Mechs like the Atlas and Marauder are a safer option.

Why are there not mech-scale grenade launchers? Vehicular grenade launchers and mech mortars don't count (and are pointless to begin with)

>>96269162
You are describing artillery of some kind. Can I interest you in the Thumper canon? It's only 10 tons.

>>96268731
>It looks cool and comfortable!
Thinking a dress is cool and comfortable sounds like tranny talk to me. Get out and go dilate.

>>96265952
I should find some rules to get Cybertronians onto the tabletop.

Biped mechs that have to use their arms to help move when? Only example I can think of is the Mandrill with jump jets in the arms because it's cool

Whether you like it or not this is what peak performance looks like.

>>96269768
I like that the back part looks like a robot trying to hug you.

>Just got a bunch of 3025 tanks for $3.30 apiece
>Included 12 Battledroid Strikers
>Plus randomly my 3rd Unseen Scorpion as the only mech

Some days, ebay is good to you.

>>96269997
Can't unsee

>>96268504
>spelling typically got frozen in European languages and it's unclear why.

What is the proliferation of the printing press for 400?

Does this read as a Kurita force equipped with fedsuns salvage, or a Davion forces equipped with Drac salvage?

since theres been a lot of talk about motive systems in this thread, I have a question.
ive just started running a campaign with vehicles for the first time and one of them has taken motive hits. is there a way to replace the motive system or is it cooked if you can't repair it?

>>96271143
Davion, mostly because the more breakable, less likely to survive to be salvageable stuff is Davion. What really stands out is everything being a state special though, when the vanilla variants are always like 5X more common even in variant states.

That none of the common unseen are the standard is fucking weird for a canon list.

>>96271159
Assuming you've had multiple techs teams of differing skills have a crack at the repair and they've all failed, I believe you can also attempt to replace the parts. Check strat ops for the rules iirc.

>>96271181
Yes, it's quite a suspicious list isn't it? Almost like someone is trying to implicate someone.

>>96271185
I'll have a look there cheers

What would an RFL-3S, RFL-3L, or RFL-3K look like in the 30th century?

>>96271275
>2900's designs
ICE and tanks.

>>96271275
>RFL-3S
replace AC/5s with missiles
>RFL-3L
Replaces AC/5s with jumpjets and flamers.
>RFL-3K
Twin PPC variant with maxed armor.

>>96271185
So I had a look at the Strat ops rules and the only stuff I could find was for motive system repair (in the master repair table). but I couldnt find anything for replacement specifically.

>>96271355
The SO version is long obsolete. Get the latest printing of Campsign Ops and it has expanded tables, though I admittedly don't know offhand if your issue is dealt with there.

>>96268027
Spitting cobra my beloved

>>96271427
That book also has the master repair table but also includes the replacement of a motive system, so I guess it is replacable now I've got to find out how much it costs. Ty for the help

What's the best way to assemble a mech? Like do I glue legs and "crotch" together then put the on the base, then put the torso and arms together and then connect lower part with higher part? Or do I glue the mech pice by piece and then put it on a base?

>>96271705
Use clay or tack to pose how you want on the base and glue. Work your way from the legs up.

>>96271705
I work from the middle out. Torso to pelvis, then legs, then arms, then head, then put it on the base.

>>96271705
Rifleman?

>>96272356
Yeah

>>96271705
Sticky tac before you glue it so you can get a feel.

Then:
one leg, glue foot to base
hold other leg into pelvis
pelvis, glue to already glued leg
glue other leg to pelvis
glue torso to pelvis
glue arms to torso
put mech in butt

>>96268731
That's a normal dress?

>>96273219
That's how all the ladies and middle class women dressed in western Europe in 1800.

What excuses could I use to eliminatr aero-space fights in my campaign alltogether? Like, no ASFs being used in planetary raids/invasions, not even the pirates board JumpShips in spess for easy money and go down to a planet instead, etc

>>96273286
If you just don't mention it most players won't say "hey, where are all the aerotech games?" because almost no one plays aerotech.

>>96270406
brother you'll need to check those minis. Bought a battledroids marauder from that guy before and it was a recast. But now that you got a fuckload of combat vehicles how are you gonna paint them up? Parade scheme or some sort of camo?

>>96273614
I think that guy resells collections so they're whatever came with stuff, including recasts. I got a couple battledroid strikers from him before and they looked real. If they were recasts, the raladium mixture and casting were spot on.
My general vehicles are all urban camo, but I think I'm going to make a parade color support batt for one of my favorite units. Ironically, if I do Regulan Hussars, the parade is a camo...

>>96273286
ASF are rarer than Battlemechs, so you generally don't need to justify it.

How do the Kuritans see the Kentares Massacre?
>act of self defence, like the meme here?

>>96274087
They see it as a stain on their honor, but not a mistake because duty comes before honor. They'd do it again and then kill themselves for doing it.

How big do assaults get? Could I put out a lawn chair on the "deck" of the gunslinger?

>>96274248
It'd be tight. I'm pretty sure if you stood on the deck your upper torso would be above the main head.

>>96274297
Actually, I take that back. It's probably closer to you could look over the head if you jumped. So the deck chair would take up a lot of it.

>>96274248
MWO has assaults standing at about 18 to 20 m tall.

>>96274310
Canon is usually more like 13 to 18.

>>96274315
MWO is the only canon that actually matters, since it's the only part of Battletech most people see. Video games have always mattered more than whatever shit gets published for the tabletop.

>>96274315
CANON is that all Mechs stand between 10 and 12 m tall, with a few extremely notable exceptions on both ends of the spectrum (some light Clanners get as small as 8m); the Banshee is about the tallest at 15m. Nothing canon is taller than that.

>>96274329
>inb4 "That's not canon"

>>96274381
Shimseen never are.

>>96274150
It was such a stain on their honor that they made the unit that did it wear a special ribbon so that everyone could know how dishonorable they were and treat them differently.

>>96274324
>"my shit FPS with no players for a decade is the most important"
https://files.catbox.moe/7ozioe.mp4

>>96274473
They had to put a moratorium on officers killing themselves out of shame because they were starting to run out.

>>96274087
The Sword of Light regiment that did the massacre literally has "Death to Kentarans" as their slogan. What do you think?

In the year of Our Lord Civil War Era, what's the closest variant I can get to the royal CRD-2R Crusader?

>>96275085
The crd-2r is the closest you can get to the crd-26, star league era mechs are evergreen.

>>96275085
Just be a blakist or a clanner with a shit career and just have your royal.

>>96275085
Honestly, none of them. I guess just say that you got it from a bunker somewhere.

>>96275085
Have you considered playing after the royal blueprints are discovered just a few years later with the Dallas Core and then you can literally buy them in bulk from the best bird?

>>96275384
I can buy a royal Exterminator?

>>96275423
Blakists and clanners are the only ones with Light Polarization Shield manufacture capability until after the Jihad. So, no. Blakists make Void Signature that is better and mount it on the Raptor II at the time that you might be able to get if you were really lucky, or unlucky because then it would mean probably fighting a Shadow Division.

>>96275085
the -4BR sounds pretty similar, it just loses the artemis because it doesn't have endo

>>96275462
I'm not asking for the lps or null sig ones. I am asking about the energy boat royal variant.

>>96275507
You can pick it up off the clanners. The sharks have them specifically so they might just sell you the old thing.

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>>96269398
I believe Welcome to the Nebula California has stats for Transformers.