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>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

>TQ
Post underrated cards. What should people be running and why?

Teysa!

>built a deck
>played it a long time ago
>deconstruct it
>regret it
>rebuild it later on

Who was the commander anon?

Proxies aren't the problem, it's the lack of reprints.

https://youtu.be/aLljgyJICl8

>>96270071
Meld Urza.

>>96270034
They need to rewrite the rules on how "attacking" works ASAP, it's even more stupid than how Protection works.
Picrel is a good example for this shit
>if you make a "tapped and attacking" token, those attacking tokens get Double Strike
>yea but they never attacked a player though, so no cards for you
it is backwards and it is stupid

>>96270079
The only thing that maybe needs to change is some wording around declaring attacks, the rules themselves work great.

>>96270071
Breena, Oketra

>>96270071
Experiment kraj

>>96270059 (OP)
>>TQ
>Post underrated cards. What should people be running

>>96270059 (OP)
>TQ
Unless the deck really requires me to play classic mana dork, I had replaced them with land dropper as much as I can. Never again feeling down after a boardwipe.

>>96270071
Rafiq. But I was just holding on to a past which is long gone. Dude sucks, plain and simple.

>>96270100
they cute

>>96270088
This was my first commander based on Profs list
>17 tapped lands (was around 2018, where less untapped existed, but still ass)
>combo commander when me and my friends just played a bit of standard
>just played 1v1 against a friend who has built Arahbo
>he obviously wiped the floor with me
>never really took off when more friends got into it
I've had multiple iterations of +1/+1 counter decks, my final list rn is Ms Bumbleflower. should I just rebuild him again after a few years and more experience?

Does anyone know of any other cards that are rules exceptions?
Something like this guy
From the oracle
>"Casting Panglacial Wurm while searching your library follows all the normal rules for casting a creature spell, except for timing (casting the Wurm this way always occurs during the resolution of another spell or ability) and what zone the Wurm is being cast from. The spell goes on the stack. You have to pay the Wurm's mana cost and any applicable additional costs, which means you can activate mana abilities while you're casting the Wurm while you're searching your library."

>>96270123
This card is infamous for combining with Selvala, Explorer Returned for creating multiple illegal moves

>>96270111
There are so many things with tap effects and counters you can use in simic. The crappy part about him is it can turn into solitaire unless you have a straight game plan. Don’t make your table fall asleep as you tap and untap

>>96270123
Or something like this
oracle
>"You cast the copy while this ability is resolving and still on the stack. Normally, you're not allowed to cast spells or activate abilities at this time. Reversal of Fortune provides an exception."
These are the only ones I know of.

>>96270123
Should be a good list of them
https://tagger.scryfall.com/tags/card/unique-cr-reference

>>96270132
A friend has aftermath Narset, I think I'm fine. I also will probably make him as a big mana combo deck, we barely have dedicated combo decks in our pod. I think Kraj will be a good mix up for our matches, and "fair enough" as he is one of the slower combo commanders out there

>>96270141
Thanks lad I'll have to check these against the oracle but some look like they could be exceptions
I wish they had an option on Scryfall to search oracle text haha.

>>96270156
Hell yeah. Make sure you upload your list. Would love to see what you do

>>96270156
Ouroboroid is a must now.

>>96267028
go Elenda Saint of Dusk, a very fun lifegain deck.
just please don't make the deck predictable and boring to yourself and your pod by doing it aristocrats style just because it's white and black.

>>96267251
Bracket "2,5" is peak magic.
Every deck having some interaction, some responses to different situations, and having a general theme that can make it win, it's the most interesting.

>>96270070
I just included her in my new Marchesa deck (monarch theme), the version that destroys creatures that deal dmg to me.

>>96270072
arguably yes.
more reprints, especially if remade with art that fits whatever set they're reprinted in, would be very healthy for the game.
the only people who lose out on that is the bunch of retards who treat purchasing cardboard for teens as a stock market.

>>96270192
meant to include pic related.

Need some feedback for my Jenova's list.
https://moxfield.com/decks/GKloRicmyEaroxfsPyKtsw

>>96270171
yea I think I'm fine without Smudge of Eternities

>>96270206
The special guests slots sort of fill this idea, but in reality it should be far more cards

>>96270220
Wat

>>96270229
Autism causes people to get irrationally upset at changes to their environment.
Please be patient with him.

>>96270139
>6 cmc to maybe cast something that might be at most 3cmc

These faggots may as well not have made 80% of the cards they did.

>>96270210
For more +1/+1 counter shenanigans you can always throw in Bristly Bill or Ornery Tumblewagg
I also like Invigorating Surge and if you don't mond the potential to get 2 for 1'd(which I doubt because you're trying to sac your own creatures to draw anyway)Hydra's Growth goes out of control quick.

Man, I don’t know anything about Spider-Man or avatar. It’s the first time UB has honestly bothered me. Feels weird not having anything at all to look forward to.

>>96270235
I just like the potential to cast an out of color effect in commander and unlike most other red interaction this let's you take advantage of a spell that doesn't have targets.

>>96269855
You use it to grab whatever the fuck you want when your creature dies.

>>96270241
I knew I had missed something, I also once rec Ornery to some anon here and how can I forgot about Bill. Invigorating Surge is a huge rec since it perfectly align with the explosive turn that I want to have , same with Hydra but that one really screams I'M THE DANGER. Thanks.

So my buddy gave me a copy of the one ring. He claims you can slap it in basically any deck and laugh your way to victory due to card advantage. Should I be running stuff to increase my hand size (e.g. reliquary tower), or do I just cap at 7 and discard?

>>96270235
not your format

>>96270313
Just sculp to 7 and discard.

>>96270072
Yeah but how is WOTC supposed to make money off chase mythics in the next commander masters set then?

>>96270313
Being able to pitch things into the yard when you are over seven has a value all its own in a lot of decks.

>>96270091
holy based

>nuke troons from orbit with my space bug spaceship
>win the store raffle for packs
>get ice tiller
It was a good evening

Shout out to the anons who recommended forge, I already feel like my deck needs some changes that goldfishing alone didn't show.

>>96270475
Forge refuses to work on my pc for some reason. it just gets in a loop of telling me to install java, opening the java download site, and then crashing. I've redownloaded and installed java like 3 times now.

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>96270520
this non bot speaks the truth. there is no aggro that can 1v3 like combo can

>>96270059 (OP)
>TQ
People should be running this fruity fag fox. Repeatable protection is actually very good now that single target removal is common place in the format. He also has utility as a mana sink that can potentially get a single big boy through a moderate board. Much in the same way he lets big boys get through his tight fox ass.

>>96270510
Make sure you go to the site forge links you to, not the official java site. For some retarded reason the official site links to java 8, when you need at least 17 or newer.
Oracle technically has all the builds too, since they own java, but you have to sign in to download them. Which is the stupidest thing since WOTC introduced companions.

The reference is a bit too on the nose for my tastes, but the idea is fun.

>>96270123
Zinnia and Henzie are both broken cards that don't function with the current rules, they are allowed to work because reasons but they're basically alchemy cards.

>>96270643
Monet isn't an Renaissance era painter reeee

>>96270071
I sort of did this. Rebuilt a Patron of the Kitsune deck into a Rune-tail deck. I love Patron of the Kitsune for its mechanical uniqueness, but its just too slow and too low impact. Rune-Tail achieves the same end but does it way better with a less narrow mechanic.

There's so much hipster showmanship that goes on in these threads. Post your commander with the MOST decks on EDHREC among commanders you have.

>>96270644
That's false, they updated the rules for both of them to make it "legal", but only after their release

>>96270719
I'm honestly surprised he's that low since he's an easy combo commander.
Then again we literally got over a hundred new commanders in the last set so that probably helps.

Wow..........

>>96270719
>>96270756
Yeah this is mine too. I don't play her that much though, my group typically likes to play lower power games where she would be kinda unfair.

>>96270785
Same.. I still like her though. For me I built ninja tribal and I find it fun.
Even without stuff like Draco she's super powerful though

Is there anything else for this year after Spiderman and EoE?

>>96270589
I feel no lust for male anthros, thus I will not be playing him. But seems like a funny deck.

>>96270801
Avatar

>>96270071
My first commander deck was Intet, the Dreamer. Made by my psychotic college roommate.

I keep kicking around the idea of rebuilding it but he’s so damn weak compared to most of the field now.

>>96270794
Mine is very close to a cEDH list with the exception of less fast mana and no Thoracle. It's interactive and fast enough to play against the cEDH decks my friends occasionally break out, but also pretty good in high power casual (bracket 4).

>>96270719
My turbo Sythis.

>>96270803
Quite funny, indeed.

>>96270719
>Precon commander that was pubstomp meta for a while
I'm not surprised.

>>96270719
Had him since before EDHrec existed. There's simply no substitute

cope

>>96270719
#123 on EDHrec

Keep seething

>>96270059 (OP)
>TQ
Everyone knows this is a good card but I don't think people really appreciate it just how good it is. I've been of the opinion for a long time it autoslots into 99% of decks. You'd have to be playing some bizarre shit that expects to never have a creature on the board for it not to be good.

>>96270877
About what? Are you the reddit guy?

>>96270886
Who's that? Rent free and obsessed.

>>96270885
I put that card in every deck to cuck faggots who run theft

I like to think that these are all posted by a butthurt guy who drew an uncommon in OTJ because his masterwork doesn't get attention.

>>96270894
What on earth are you talking about?

dilate

>>96270900
Mark Poole's art is amazing and some redditor is furious, we have to defend Mark Poole's inability to draw, because... we just have to OKAY?!?

>>96270719
I'm genuinely surprised that its flubs; I've never seen one other person play him ever. Kykar is my only other commander in the top 100 and I see him way more often.

>>96270908
SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT SOME BOOMER ARTIST NOBODY FUCKING CARES THIS IS THE THIRD FUCKING TIME YOU'VE RUN THIS BIT

>>96270907
Is that supposed look good? Looks like absolute shit or are you falseflagging as a Poole defender by posting this crap?

>>96270916
based flubs player, please post list that I may attempt him myself

>>96270919
We have to defend his shitty art, dude. You don't get it.

>>96270922
I just realized I never uploaded my list to moxfield. I'll post it, give me a minute.
I initially made my list super budget - it cost like $40. I've since upgraded with things I had laying around, but its still probably <$100.

>>96270719
>scrolling to see who's my top-rated commander
>forced to scroll by UB slop that has dethroned certified hood classics like Derevi
I fucking hate it here bros. This is my top commander at #166. Its also my newest deck.

>>96270920
poole thread
poole board
poole world
you're just coping in it

The GOAT

>>96270961
Looks like this was drawn by a toddler, you can't be serious here.

Reddit loves Mark Poole, you can go back there.

>>96270961
Poole's closed.

Is my Tifa Lockhart deck bracket 2 or 3?

https://moxfield.com/decks/DAhte3U86EabbqFWkCMDmg

gruul interactions?
i hate how its ramp play big or do nothing gamble

>>96271052
Build Gruul enchantress ponzi

>>96271052
Untimely malfunction, tibalt's trickery, deflecting swat, pyroblast, force of vigor, red elemental blast, return the favor, brake, lightning bolt, reiterate, rift bolt, bolt bend, ricochet trap, delayed action fireball, whatever the red flare is called...

>>96271073
>brake
*abrade

>>96271073
>whatever the red flare is called...

>>96271089
I'm glad the flares are so underappreciated. The white one in particular is excellent but it's not very expensive.

>>96271050
If you have to ask if a deck is 2 or 3, it's probably a 3 regardless of # of game changers.

>>96270100
krosan wayfarer my beloved

>>96270719
I didn't expect him to be in the top 100, I honestly thought I was a bit of an hipster playing him.

>>96271162
That's because he's the best commander for the meme nazguls.

>>96271179
I prefer pic

>>96271097
thanks anon, i'll bear this in mind once I get around to building him!

>>96271050
it's a 2, aggro doing its job in taking out one (1) player at a time in a telegraphed way doesn't make it op

>>96271179
Not even that, that Nazgul/Wraith tribal is popular enough to be a top 100 deck in and of itself. It's a bit surreal. Then again, I never really play outside my playgroup, so I have no real idea of what most players build.

>>96270803
I also have no feelings of lust for anthros, but I like killing lands.
https://archidekt.com/decks/14066293/85_tails

>so many shit exiles now indestrutible is useless
>"looses hexproof and ward" is become more prevalent
how the fuck i am suppoused to protect my shit now?

>>96271269
I mean, wraiths have been around for decades without a tribal commander, haven't they? and the t/p setting works pretty well with their typical gimmick of 'low base p/t with +x/+x,' though the instant and sorcery trigger is very generic.

>>96270059 (OP)
>Post underrated cards. What should people be running and why?
I just think it's a great card

>>96271269
Everytime I play a sauron deck or lotr theme deck with black in it at my lgs, everyone is running multiple nazgul. And if they cast one, they always cast another at some point in the game. Atleast in my lgs meta and playgroup, nazgul is probably the most popular creature

>>96271298
I meant to post Fact or Fiction

>>96271162
There's a reason why these fuckers are still so expensive. People fucking love the "have any/x number in your deck".

>>96271279
>he doesn't play Eldrazi with all titans in the deck (except Aeons Torn because gaylords banned it)
>he doesn't cascade x2 x2 with his bros Zhulodok and Ulalek
>he doesn't infinite card draw with the one ring
Go ahead, use your exile or counter. I'm going to be slapping more titans on the board anyway, and I will be specifically targeting you now that you annoyed me.

>>96271331
>exiles your zhulodok before it can get a single cascade going

>>96271285
Before LotR (and 40k) only 5 wraith ever existed. They basically weren't a tribe until the LotR set.

>>96271316
Unreal. I thought I was playing big meme, now I know otherwise. Might make Umbris now...

>>96270852
>can't draw .jpg
erm actually its draw 3

>>96271279
It is pretty gay that Indestructibility is staring to be kinda fucking worthless, yeah, but thankfully robe of stars, clever concealment and this funny card can at least help you out in a pinch. Also Hexproof is still reasonably strong so that's another plus.

>>96271356
Somehow everyone manages to blow their load on earlier parts of the setup. Even without him, you can do some wacky shit thanks to Ulalek and a flash enabler. Zhulodok just adds the cherry on top

>>96270719
>most popular I ever built
mothman, who has overtaken wilhelt
>most popular I currently have assembled
ms bumbleflower as a non-voltron +1 counter deck with a lifegain subtheme+payoffs. nobody ever expects the storm herd + crashing drawbridge.

>>96271423
>Also Hexproof is still reasonably strong
*was

>>96271279
Its an arms race. Next is phase out, and soon they will print a mono white "all creatures phase in. destroy all creatures" card.

>>96270719
#158. Easily my favorite deck.

>>96271466
>create an ability like destruction or hexproof
>also create abilities that make stuff that's invincible not invincible
Someone explain the logic to me.

>>96271507
Powercreep

>>96271507
>mfw when someone realizes that invincibility is just marketing and doesn't actually mean invincible

>>96271501
Impeccable taste anon, love donating me an archfiend of the dross

>>96271507
Enough people bitched.

remember what happened with bury and regenerate?

>>96271513
>>96271528
>>96271549
So basically the only answer is to pack counters of my own, and instantly their instants in a game of stack wanking. Sounds fun.

>>96271540
I actually veered away from the "bad gifts" variant of the strat. I have a couple like Evil Eye of Orms-by-Gore, but they serve more as silver bullets/control pieces.

I describe the deck as "dimir aggro." It's mostly 1-2 mana unblockable 1/1s. Once they become 3/3s the damage adds up real quick, giving you access to card draw and control pieces. The goal is to turn the game into a 1v1, after which you Homeward Path, Reins of Power, or Vorpal Sword an unblockable creature and finish off the last player.

The bad gifts strategy has a horrible time closing out games. Once the players you've hosed die, those cards you donated come back to you, and then you end up losing to your own deck.

Like your Archfiend of the Dross example: the player loses on upkeep, you regain control of the card, and if you don't have a way to get the card out of play before that, you fucking die.

>>96271466
>inb4 they add a card with double hexproof

>>96271571
Effectively. That's the never ending arms race.

>>96271466
Nobody is running this shit to be honest.

>>96271466
isnt there a green one too?

Bring back flagbearer.

>>96271466
Why only hexproof? Did they forgot about shroud?

>>96271507
Everything needs a counter anon

>>96271367
you're right, I was conflating wraiths and shades, of which there are way more.

>>96271466
This is the way going forward. Completely shutting down the colors from interacting with you.

>>96270079
This retard is still seething about this basic rules interaction lol

>>96271597
its because standar is sucking all of them up, expect in two years be all over in commander and pioneer

>>96271597
>2 mana instant speed -3/-3 for asymmetrical hexproof/ward cucking
It's not the worst, and depends entirely on the match up, but it's worth considering. side-board option for sure.

>>96271501
>>96271575
He's really fun, especially for lower powered tables. I also built him with unblockables, so they don't die as easily. But also with a bunch of equipments that trigger on attack or combat damage to get some extra value out of it.

Last week I actually had a fun 3--player game with him where my Abyssal Prosecutor kept me and another guy alive while at 0 or below life points. For a moment it actually had me figure out my wincon again, cause of the problem of when you get it back. But I also play a Sword of War and Peace just for the lifegain which actually helped me pretty well there.

>>96271633
They dont print shroud anymore retard

>>96270059 (OP)
Being able to grave hate while also grabbing something from yours is incredible utility

>>96270344
They're not evening masters anymore because they sold like shit

>>96271689
>>96271597
it's awkward because it doesn't hit a hexproof target itself, it just opens up hexproof afterwards. it's OK for politicking assistance if that's an option, but otherwise it's annoying.

>>96271697
I've considered more equips, but I feel like they end up fucking with my tempo each time. The play pattern feels like
>play one mana dude
>hand over with Jon
>keep mana up for interaction
>draw into cards

I do run Sword of the Animist and Bitterthorn, though I don't know what cards I'd spend my whole turn equipping before forking over a creature.

Hi I post my deck again thank you much

https://archidekt.com/decks/15066898/three_dogs

I wanna blow up the creatures after buffing them!!

>>96270072
No no, the problem is the proxy fags.
If you can't afford something you shouldn't have it, this is true of all things not just magic.

>>96271734
its ok to proxy, but contain yourself and dont proxy all the 50+ cards specially when noone is running them on the pod

>

>>96271734
I am not buying a second ancient tomb or bayou or second copies of all of my other expensive cards. If you don't like my proxies you can sit there and wait for me to switch the deck out and I will then weave and shuffle 40 times to make sure it good and random just to spite you.

>>96271752
Why would you ever run her over giver

>>96271752
>he doesn't have colorless removal
Lmao

>>96271760
I only want humans.

>>96270072
>mouse over embed
>pajeet
Not clicking that shit rofl

>>96271760
She can target herself

>>96271755
By all means faggot. You know what I do if I don't have a duplicate? I just don't run it in multiple decks. Insane concept, I know.

>>96271760
>>96271768
>can't target herself
One will stay on the board for a long time and giving headache to people.

>>96271801
That sounds dumb anon. You sound dumb.

>>96271719
There are a few nice options. From the top of my head since I'm out of the house:
>Lost Jitte to ramp, have a bit of evasion and some +1/+1 counter fuckery. Even enables you to get Jon out t3 by itself
>Dowsing Dagger for more ramp and great synergy with the Jitte
>Sword of Hearth and Home for ramp and getting single creatures deck. Also works really well with Zodiark in that deck
>Key to the vault and buster sword for the fun of it

>>96271760
>better art
>better card
gee I wonder

>>96271810
>me
>own one of a card in my collection
>therefore, I use one of that card
>you
>own one of a card in your collection
>UM NONE OF MY DECKS WILL BE COMPLETE WITHOUT BAYOU
>I OWN ONE THEREFORE I OWN INFINITY

>>96271760
Because with Giver it's easy to direct where your removal will go but with Mother you will need at least two removals in hand to break her shield.

>>96271834
I own one and therefore I can shortcut the act of me moving it around decks yes it saves time for everyone involved. Try being less unhinged anon

>>96271834
Lol I do this, actually sometimes I don't even put the real copy in my decks I just keep it in a binder just in case someone gets extremely bitchy about proxies.
I have never had a problem IRL with this solution.

what do you target this with?

>>96271844
WHAT IF YOU WANTED TO PLAY TWO DECKS AT THE SAME TIME?!

>>96271850
Etali, the poison one.

>>96271708
>commander legends
>not huge power but has several cards that are now staples, support for random but liked archetypes like elf and pirate tribal, everyone seems to agree monocolor partners are fine, set is still relatively cheap, spiritual successor to legends (not really)
>commander masters
>half high power reprints and half bizzare reprints, divisive themes like enchantments and planeswalkers, narci, eldrazi are the only commanders people talk about anymore, set is 50-100% more than legends, spiritual successor to an-excuse-to-reprint-staples
>commander horizons
>absurdly high power designs that ruined unrelated formats like modern and legacy, support for both all time greats like dredge and unused themes like snow and colored eldrazi, staples and scourges of commander pods, set is expensive for a reason, spiritual successor to not just urza's saga and time spiral but also old core sets and random kamigawa and lorwyn legendaries people like but weren't good

>>96271850
Solemn Simulacrum

>>96271850
I wouldn't run it cause its bad but if I did i would target the best things on the board. What a retarded question

>>96271712
>it's awkward because it doesn't hit a hexproof target itself
>When NtR ENTERS target creature an opponent controls gets -3/-3
it has entered, and the third block is active, enabling the second block to target hexproof.
it's not an aura, if that's what you're thinking.

>>96271850
that angel that doubles tokens

>>96271816
Sword of Hearth and home is nice for being another land-ramp piece, but the 3 mana sword into 2 mana equip feels super slow. Especially when retrieving a donated creature isn't that important.

I DID consider Dowsing Dagger and Umezawa's Jitte, but I don't tend to upgrade the deck and they're somewhat pricy.

Lost Jitte might be a good idea, though it feels real bad mid-late game. I randomly pulled a Buster Sword out of the one pack of FF I bought, though again the card quality of the unblockable dudes is poor enough I'm uncertain it'd work well in my deck.

>>96271760
mom chump blocks all day and more importantly threatens chump blocks, which stops people from attacking.
meanwhile pro colorless can be very nice, but unfortunately just doesn't come up that often. pic related, how I break the voltron stalemate when my opponent has every sword equipped.

what if starcrafts had "supply"
tap non creature permanents to add charge counters at instant speed

now that i've collected most of the staples for each color, i can't stop building decks. it's so easy now. each deck has like 30 cards worth of wiggle room after adding in lands and interaction and manarocks and staples, and usually it's pretty cheap to fill those in with strategy specific budget cards. i've built like 4 decks in the last 2 weeks. i get 10 letters from TCG a day. anyone else go through this?

>captcha: MANAS

>>96271900
this art is just knock off Baphomet
this company is so fucking cringe

>has an optimizer tool
>doesn't default to using it

>>96271914
I dunno man, I don't see boobs.

>>96271908
>i've built like 4 decks in the last 2 weeks
Rookie numbers.

>>96271922
*boob

>>96271908
That's exactly how I build decks. Once you own an expensive spine you can build entire decks for like $10-20.

>>96271903
>what if starcrafts had "supply"
chris metzen in 1997 be like

>>96271919
I had a screenshot a while back of like
>Item Total: $28
>Shipping: $184
Because for some fuckin reason it decided to use like 40 shops with $4.99 shipping instead of grouping any of my orders together

Why tryhards hate theft so much? its YOUR fault i won game with Craterhoof Behemoth

>>96271950
you have it backwards, it's the casuals that hate theft. the tryhards play a version of this game so degenerate it can barely be called magic the gatheting

>>96271950
>spend >4 mana casting my card
>some loser steals it and gets to use it
and don't touch my cards with your grubby hands

>I target ur thing for theft. resolves?
>ogey i scoop
>*thing fizzles*

>>96271986
>oh sweet 3 mana player removal spell. Fuckin powerful

>>96271919
This site is a fucking mess. And they somehow found a way to kill their app too.

Goaded creatures shouldn't be allowed to block by default

>>96271988
Potentially cucking a player about to win the game through theft out of spite is funny tho. less effective 1v1, but if bro is about to steal a craterhoof and rape the board, it would be funny.

>>96271919
Just use card kingdom. They charge a but more, but it saves you a lot on shipping AND everything comes in one box to avoid the headache of 40 packages.

>>96271950
>Why tryhards hate theft so much?
if they were truly tryhards they wouldn't mind at all

>>96271712
It hits hexproof targets

>>96272003
>avoid the headache of 40 packages.
Why is this an issue? The only thing that matters is how much they charge you on shipping and being able to dodge shipping costs.

>>96271950
tryhards dont care, its like this anon says
>>96271958

I dislike theft because its generally an effective way to cheat mana costs/generate value, but only a few colors get access to it, and even fewer have reasonable means to prevent it.


Same reason I am not a huge fan of cascade.

>>96271800
>>96271805
So what? I'll remove her with something colorless, have fun targeting herself.

>>96271845
Can you tell me when you'll bring the binder next time to the lgs? I want to rob you.

>>96272017
>I dislike theft because its generally an effective way to cheat mana costs/generate value
there's also an inherent cost to theft, in that your opponent has to have a card so good on its own that it's worth running a potential blank in case you're up against a deck whose creatures are build dependent like spellslinger, not to mention being able to deal suddenly becoming the archenemy
like when emrakul eventually gets turned into a GC, would bribery rocket up in use? ofc it would. but the emrakul player would have to be prepared in dealing with its own creature and the bribery player has also painted a target on himself because on a nonhasty spaghetti monster

What is your opinion of being a pre-con only player?

My experience has been that trying to make the most powerful deck you can is actually a trap. If your goal for EDH is "have fun with friends" you don't really need much more than a pre-con. Or maybe a set of 4 pre-cons if you want to host friends who don't play.

My experience of making strong decks is that people get passive-aggresive at you when you play strong cards, and get sulky when you combo-victory at them. I think I have more fun being the underdog who jams precons. Not to mention precons are much better from a vorothos perspective.

>>96272052
You do you, but I'm going to judge you. Without deck building EDH would be a miserable format. I cannot imagine playing with a deck built for me.

>>96270719
#12

>>96272052
It's fine, but I do think you lose out on the best half of commander by not brewing your own decklist.

>>96272047
>an inherent cost to theft, in that your opponent has to have a card so good on its own

totally true Id argue though, as creatures/effects only ever get more efficient it seems you will only ever have better odds of snagging something useful.

Let alone, better theft effects.

Im just saying why i dislike it. I don't think theft is a problem, or inherently too strong. Just annoying to me.

>>96271845
>>96271755
I'm thinking about making proxies of dual lands and other expensive cards and keeping proxies of all those expensive cards in my "binder where I keep the real cards".

>>96272052
>What is your opinion of being a pre-con only player?
nobody minds unless they have such a grudge at wotc that they'll take it against you for buying precons

>>96271861
Yes and they sold like ass compared to final fantasy

>>96270719
Look at the top 20, I got a deck for all of those commanders.

>>96272011
I fucking love this card. The salt it generates is so ridiculous in comparison to its effect.
The chef's kiss is stealing the combo piece from some sperm trying to pubstomp and never playing it

>>96272052
Precon is boring because building a deck is fun.

>>96271908
I built 6 decks this week anon and I actually build them not just slapping together staples and a small handful of "on theme" cards. You sicken me

>>96272073
>hey, man, can you bring that binder with you? I don't believe that you own those cards
>what, do you want to steal my shit? I'm not bringing them with me, fuck off
No need for that binder.

I just wish canadian deckbuild would be more popular to prevent the nuclear armsrace every table turns into

>>96272095
>>96272067
Please show us your epic homebrew decks. So that we can all laugh at you.

>>96270719
#112. Makes sense since he was one of two rat commanders for so long

>>96271701
>>96271633
Sounds to me like my GOAT continues to kick ass

>>96272113
>epic
I just like building decks, they're not good but they're mine

>>96271665
Why is that one OK but Iona isn't?

>>96272121
Iona stops you from casting, the other is hexprrof

>>96272113
99 lands ashling has more soul than a precon anon

>>96272120
Okay, post a decklist. I want to see how unique it is. And how much better it is than a precon.

>post decklist autist returns
It's so tiresome.

>>96270105
I have him in my Jenara deck and he’s fine as a damage doubler. Had a few games where Jenara swung for lethal because of him.

>>96272139
>And how much better
Never said it was.

>>96270719
probably yuna

>>96272052
Battlecruiser is peak EDH but doesn't have to be restricted solely to precons.

>>96272166
Okay, you cringe larper - master of no games, post it already.

>>96272121
Because they're nothing alike?

>no games larpers talk about things that they have no clue about and immediately shit their pants when called out
It's all so tiresome

>>96272179
>post it already
Why? I build decks for myself not for you

>>96271665
it would be funny to reach a point where farewell is the only viable means of removal

>>96272116
>cant protect or buff your commander further
Card has its place but its very mid

>>96270139
Incredible art.

>>96270141
Nice

>>96272192
Stop talking about it, why you're talking about it here then?

>>96272139
This is a staggering level of wotc dicksucking lmao precon only players need to be medicated

>>96272211
Because you asked why someone wouldn't just use precon.

>>96272206
I've never seen tits in real life as well and agree

>>96272139
Here's a living weapons aggro list with a small polymorph package I quite enjoyed. Precons are fucking boring anon. Unless you're totally new to the game and have 0 concept of deckbuilding, you should construct your own shit.

>>96272052
Its a deckbuilding game. Precon players arent real players. Like going to the movies and calling yourself a director. Also
>have fun
>you only need X cause I decide what's fun for people!
Please get off your soapbox and kill yourself

>>96272139
Never said that my decks are unique either by the way.

>>96272216
I never asked that

>>96272220
I think decklist anon trolls so he can stir drama over decklist. Just ignore or bait him as desired

>>96272222
>I'm a director because I made my own deck
Thank you for this lethal dose of cringe

>>96272052
If that's what you wanna do I think that's fine but you also probably forfeit the right to complain about getting stomped when it happens though

>>96272235
>What is your opinion of being a pre-con only player?
My opinion is using precon only is boring because building part of the fun.

>>96272247
How ESL are you anon?

6272220
6272239
Samefag

>>96270719
>rank #330
I think that still makes it hipster.

>>96272254
Never wrote that, stay triggered by that post, I guess or kill yourself

>>96272239
I'm aware but he just posts "post list" ad nauseam so this stops it.

>>96272257
How esl are you?

Your samefagged conversation with yourself is ridiculously pathetic. Enough already.

>>96272288
Schizo anon at it again

>>96272290
You surely are, schizo. Take your meds.

>>96272270
Then you're responding to the wrong anon. Lol. Stupid.

>>96272288
The only real poster here is me and I like to bait the AI Chatbots my fed agent set up for me to feel smarter
Thanks agent-chan

>>96270719
She was the first deck I ever built and still has a special place in my heart
She eventually became my cedh deck but I took her apart, I might rebuild a dog shit pure ninja version to play with my friends

>>96272300
You certainly are assuming that every post is directed at you, brainlet
kek

>>96272315
We rule 0 in our pod to her ability pay the commander tax
Noone complained after that for using her

>>96270885
Yeah it’s one of my favorite cards ever. Prevents theft, gives you a sac outlet at instant speed, no tapping. Gives mana, allows for combos and infinites. Sun titan brings it back. All star relic.

>>96272002
>Potentially cucking a player about to win the game through theft out of spite is funny tho
Yep. Someone playing Bristly Bill, has like 80 goddamned +1/+1s on a trample dude? It's only him and me left?? Fucking YOINK

>>96272329
It also gets blown up on the spot if your table is halfway competent.

>>96272179
>>96272211
pfffffffffttthahaha it's this cringey ass motherfucker. Go to reddit if you wanna be spoonfed decks, dumbass

>no games
>post list
It's getting real easy to identify this single autist.

>>96271113
Real cradle?

>>96272327
The first deck I built with her was under like 20$ and pure ninja tribal most of the time she just sat on board and just got chump blocked
I've never understood why she's a GC. Yeah she no commander tax is obnoxious, but a good yuriko deck shouldn't be anywhere near casual tables, and a casual build doesn't do much

>>96272342
god it's so fucking pathetic how it's the same dude for like a year straight. Guy needs to get a fuckin life

>>96272326
It's easy when you keep responding to my posts anon

>>96272342
I have a working theory that this thread is secretly no more than five people and that swordbro isn't real

>nogames schizo is back
Yeah okay I'ma head out for the day, then

>>96272327
I don't understand why WOTC doesn't just errata it. It's literally 'commander ninjustu', you think it'd be part of the rule >>96270643

>>96272352
Game changers are a stand in for most players being push over mouth breathers or cringe pubstompers look for their win to validate themselves that week.
None of it makes sense because the only real, true metric to power scale/deck strength is turns-to-win if no one interrupts you

>>96271113
Can you explain how the Proteus Machine works in that deck?

I'm finally gonna finish building atraxa praetors, I just need a phyrexian vorinclex and sheoldred

>>96272331
So does everything else, so does it even matter? Either my opponents remove it and we move on or it sticks and I get value. I don't understand why this general cries about removal every second.

>>96272052
precon games fucking suck. they take forever, barely nothing happens, it's a 2 hour slog of getting hit with 2/2 creatures because nothing synergizes. Precon players are people who like playing A GAME and drinking with friends, not for people who like playing MAGIC THE GATHERING specifically, with friends.


same thing as like, league of legends. your friend group would be happy playing anything together, but if you actually like league specifically, you'll most likely be playing ranked

>>96272052
Precons are a good starting point and if you can convince others to only play precons that are about similar power then sure. But if you only ever play the precon you miss out of deck building which is a huge part of the fun I think. And having fun with friends varies wildly depending on your group. My friends like building their decks as beat as they can in theme.

>>96272408
I drink with my friends while playing high power

>>96272407
Most cards are not removal magnets anon

>>96272421
that's because you like playing magic the gathering. precon players would be happy playing anything at all, like settlers of catan. people who have "game nights" will play precons. people who want to play MTG will actually care about the game and the deckbuilding aspect and the intricacy

>>96270885
>Underated
>One of the best and most played sac outlets in the game

>>96272435
It's funny because my friends hated magic for years, and said they'd play any other card games before that. But when FF released they all wanted to play, then shortly after enjoying playing it they started brewing non FF decks

>>96272421
i banned the Izzet player from drinking because the idiot takes 40 minutes to resolve combos once he is stoned

So I somehow found on Craigslist of all places a guy selling a box of mtg stuff for cheap. Said box had both Eldrazi precons in it. I'm trying to optimize an Ulalek deck to be a cancerous asshole. What cards do I take out of the Zhulodok deck to achieve this, and what other singles should I buy? I'd imagine getting all the titans, winnower, and a few other things would be the starting point.

>>96272452
I don't know if it's ADHD but players' turns take SO LONG now. I sit down at the LGS and have to excuse myself to the bathroom while some idiot appraises his most basic game actions.

>>96272429
They way this general acts, yes they are and, to be honest, if you're building your deck right, everyone one of your permanent, including your lands, should be remove on sight. Whether it's cEdh or casual, every card in your deck should be part of a synergistic whole that should, in most circumstances, make your opponents sweat. If you can play multiple cards and your opponents don't care about a single one, your deck fucking sucks, sorry.

>>96272452
We just drink throughout the night, then suddenly we realize it's like 4am
It's been great, I fucking love card games and being able to actually play magic with my friends instead of random faggots who throw tantrums on every play
I stopped going to my old locals because I didn't enjoy playing with most of the people there

>>96272460
you're only allowed to build an eldrazi deck if you're also man enough to not whine when you get targeted before you're allowed to play those big stompy creatures

are you?

>>96272280
Very but that still isnt how my post reads

>>96272464
>if you're building your deck right, everyone one of your permanent, including your lands, should be remove on sight
You're insane rofl

>>96272472
100% feel you on this. my friends and i will get mad at each other over this silly game from time to time, but i'd prefer clashing with friends over some obese faggot at the LGS who huffs and goes "well that was fun" sarcastically when you play a 4 card combo on turn 11 to finally end the fucking game

>>96272464
>plays forest
>OH MAN THE SYNERGY AHHH

>>96272491
maybe a little exaggerated, but he's directionally right. every single card in your deck (with the exception of your interaction) should slot in to further your strategy

>>96271719
Equipments just suck. Unless it's skullclamp or paradise mantle, i always wind up cutting Equipment out of every deck i build. Greaves, whispersilk and swiftfoot boots are OK too i guess. The swords are overcosted and even jitte is shit in edh

>>96272485
I'm doing this knowing full well the moment I touch the table, the other 3 players are going to conspire against me. I just need to know how to optimize this shit so I can nuke a few of them in the process. People already dislike me at my LGS for running a Krenko Cauldron deck.

>>96272472
he thorwed a tantrum because of "people speaking" while trying to keep track of tokens and prowress triggers
thus no more drinking allowed

>>96272491
Hes right doe why do you have cards that dont work towards your machine winning

>>96272508
He's not right in the slightest. There's a difference between an arcane signet and a fucking powerhouse card like ashnod's altar.

>>96272491
Do you play a deck filled with trash, anon? Is your deck filled with unsynergistic garbage that doesn't help advance and win you the game, anon? You you play do nothing cards?

>>96272503
Yes anon, even the basic lands. Are they snow?

>>96272519
the arcane signet furthers your strategy does it not

>>96272522
Post deck

>>96272526
As much as a land drop, sure. Some cards are stronger than others.

this argument is driving me insane. what the fuck kind of cards are you guys putting in your decks that DONT help you execute your strategy

>>96272528
Naw. I have played in the same playgroup, with the same players, for years, so cards that would be "do nothing" in your meta is perfectly fine in mine and vice versa. Besides, we both know "post deck" is just really an excuse to tear into and shit on someone.

>>96272540
are you just hung up on the part where he said "every card in your deck should be remove on sight" because i promise you that was hyperbole

I am a precon player because I don't like deckbuilding in the Commander format. The last time I tried to express myself in Commander, other people blew-a-gasket at my stax cards, my rule of law effects, and the mass land destruction effects I thought were cool. After multiple sweaty neckbeards tried to give me their unsolicited unwanted opinions about the card Armegeddon, I stopped trying to be creative.

Basically my philosophy now is I like deckbuilding, for 1v1. For 4-player, I treat it like a boardgame.

>>96272553
Read his entire post again and come back to me. If you can't parse why what he said is idiotic, I don't know what to tell you.

>>96272563
>I wasn't worshipped for my choices :(((((((((((((((((
You can build whatever you want and people can say whatever autismo

>>96272497
Like we still get tilted when someone does a stupid play or locks someone out with a stax piece or something but it happens, someone can pop off or miss 5 land drops in a row and get bullied
It's also nice because since everyone is used to play card games in both high and bottom tier formats we build whatever, and now I can actually build whatever commander I want without someone having a meltdown and it's been nice since deck building is one of my favorite things about this game

>>96272563
That has nothing with you liking deck building, and has everything with you being a little bitch that let's others dictate what you should play and what's fun for you. If people don't like what you're playing, tough. It's the deck you made and payed (or proxied) for. If they don't like it, they can pay for a new deck you can play. Anything else is being a bitch.

>>96272014
NTA but USPS has been a real pain in the dick lately with tracking and delivery, so worrying about one package is way better than worrying about seven out in the wild

>>96272563
let me guess, you played self protection when casting armaggedon?
faggot zur player

>>96272600
I had 3 different packages lost in the mail in the last week

I really love this deck but I had to take ruination out to conform to bracket 3.
Without ruination it is really just a goodstuff deck with charms.
https://moxfield.com/decks/Vn_PhviMA0-a8TVM0E7s2w
I think I need a theme or a direction to go in. Any suggestions?

Mythics were a mistake, and this card proved it.
Prove me wrong.

>>96272641
This card isn't even good

>>96272668
Brackets are bullshit and more guidelines than actual rules

What is this guys deal, why is he such a jolly fellow?

>>96272684

Then what's the point of brackets at all? I need a system that lets me bring decks of appropriate power level to tables with people I've never played with before and be confident that they will do the same.

Like, I'm not even sure they are better than just having nothing at all.

>>96272687
He loves to impale the Azorius, he is a party dude

>>96272687
ok I'll let you in on the joke
so you start playing dudes, and then you start sacrificing those dudes
there's blood and bodies all over, it's awful. you've got wizards scrying and surveilling using their organs, you've got thugs playing in blood fountains, you're launching goblins into the audience
then in the middle of it all, the spotlight shines on Juri and he says "the aristocrats!" and the crowd goes wild
then you fling Juri at one of your opponents

>>96272337
>pfffffffffttthahaha
Couldn't be more cringe if you tried
Kill yourself

>>96272701
It's just like the power level, not set in stone.
The point of Brackets is WotC virtue signaling hard as fuck to show how they are "in control".
You see at your own example that they don't really work, so just have your pregame talk like normal

>>96272342
Totally agree we're so cool and he's not, right? You're the coolest poster here.

>>96272701
...to act as a guideline when discussing decks.
If you have 12 tutors but the deck isnt notably stronger then it can still be considered bracket 2 (but at that point you should be learning how to build a proper deck)

>>96272720
I know, right? Thanks for the compliment.

>>96272714
hmm hmm
hee hee
hah
eheheha
ha ha
hoo
ahehaha
snrk
pfft
bahahaha
haw
heh

>>96272358
It's longer than a year. He's so pathetic. He wants to see a decklist and actually talk about mtg instead of bragging about his homebrew deck and just saying it's more soulful than a precon without proving it. He's so annoying.

>>96272742
Ignore him in the future instead of making 5 different posts about him. I'll do that from now on. You should do the same. We're the cool ones and have a life, because we're bragging about our decks.

>>96272729
funny commander, anyone play him?

>>96272742
Actually he wants you to post a list so he can make fun of it.

best deckbox for a double sleeve EDH deck?
price isn't an issue
>inb4 get the "prof" box
lmao

>>96272113
ok. but I'm mostly posting for other people, because the set-up here is that you will deem anything I post to be as uncreative as a pre-con.

Green Stompy (energy subtheme) - https://moxfield.com/decks/V1iqztd7CEmAGRqT5nFTGg
Jeskai Vehicle - https://moxfield.com/decks/qHBNpAi2qkeVGRHKFgGsHQ
Draft Chaff Tribal - https://moxfield.com/decks/VHNzFcVK2kmKYN2i132T2g
Bant Wizards - https://moxfield.com/decks/QviBXb8vwk26hgqUen3NNg
Mono-U Eggs - https://moxfield.com/decks/TM4E64WLsU-hF9Q6w0ccAw

>>96272767
It seems you got something against the prof, care to explain yourself bud?

>>96272609
>>96272600
I've never had the post office lose a package. It's always those international dhl and Amazon shippers at 'lose' them

>>96270719
>npcrec

>>96272770
>Mono-U Eggs - https://moxfield.com/decks/TM4E64WLsU-hF9Q6w0ccAw
>posting incomplete decks
why would anyone do this?

>>96272767
I 3d print mine to fit just right

>>96272770
These seem cool anon good job sorry for the wotc dicklickers

>>96272655
It most certainly is. I won a few tournaments thanks to it back in the day. It's almost an auto-include with any green deck thanks to all the fetch lands and ramp spells. I often have it producing more mana than my lands.

>>96272668
>>96272684
>>96272687
>>96272701
>>96272718
>>96272725
The more I read comments like this, the more I realize that the anon who keeps saying bracket 3.5 is peak EHD is right.

>>96272767
I really like those Ultra Pro Satin boxes. They are cheap $15-20, and hold double sleeved cards, but it's tight if you through in tokens.
It does have a dice tray underneath which is nice and will hold 20 mini dice along with some spin downs. It's compact, and very durable.

>>96272797
huh, I thought I filled this list out. guess I'll fill it out now.

>>96272837
>my deck is a 3.5/5

>>96272528
We're not posting decks here, schizo

>>96272239
This epic anon always assumes every poster is one specific person with one specific opinion.

>>96272837
What is 3.5

>>96272113
>laughing at a guy who thinks building your own deck is more fun that just playing a deck someone else build
what the fuck
>>96272139
>doubting that a deck built a guy who likes building his own decks is not vastly stronger than a precon
precons are among the most dogshit decks in existence, and if you believe they can hold up against anything but other precons, then you just telling everyone that you are a nogames faggot.

>>96272528
>>96272866

I am now. This is my Gisela deck circa 2012. It's my next deck I'm trying to modernize. I want it to be a solid aggro bracket three.

>>96272767
I'm not completely double sleeved, but those paper ones that come with the precons seem to fit about right

Ban Rhystic Study
Ban The One Ring
Ban Sol Ring

>>96272770
Best decks of all time, you're so cool.

>>96272882
Well, it sure is a 2012 commander deck. Good luck upgrading it.

>>96272888
Thanks for the roses, I know. That's why I posted them.

>>96272342
This epic anon always assumes every poster is one specific person with one specific opinion.

>>96272875
>>96272909
>post list schizo is seething this hard
LOL

>>96272884
>talked to friend the other day about banning sol ring from our group
>"NOOOO WHAT IF I WANT TO PLAY WITH OTHER PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T BAN SOL RING???"
he's also the same friend who constantly complains about my deck price and wants me to not proxy decks above $200. I avoid his complaints by just showing up with a new deck every 2 weeks so he can never get used to them

Don't really like this general, lots of negative vibes, just been browsing for a short while though.

>>96272912
>post list schizo schizo forgot to take his meds
LMAO

>>96272890
Yup. Doesn't need to be strong, just needs to be fun and an excuse to use some red cards. Insurrection is so satisfying to cast, especially if you already have some kind of damage doubler out.

>>96272912
It's very easy to identify you, you're having a meltdown and call others a post list schizo
Get a life.

>>96272909
there are only three people on 4chan

>>96272909
No, that's me and you will not convince me that self-humiliation-kun does not exist.

>>96272655
>makes 200 mana on turn 6

Is this a good finisher for zombies? Or do you just get hosed by 15 different graveyard exile effects before you get late enough to cast it?

>>96272915
>Change every deck you run to play against me!
>Make decks specifically to play with me!
You're just not that interesting

>>96272770
>cards from precons in his decks
Nice deckbuilding.

>>96272985
That's why I normally don't post my decks, you will always find something to complain about, we're only about positivity here. Kill yourself, post list schizo.
Pffffthhhahaha
You're soooo pathetic

>>96272969
I gotta be honest, I never see graveyard hate unless its on something like scooze or rakdos charm.

>>96271501
>>96271575
I've built the same deck and it was terrible, how do you win and not get targeted first (because players for some reason hate you giving them creatures that attack their opponents??)

>>96272985
>putting sol ring in your edh decks
I cant believe anyone would unironically do this

>>96272590
>>I wasn't worshipped for my choices :((((((((((((((((
But that's why he hate the guy in this thread who asks for decklists, didn't you get the memo?

>come back
>decklist anon STILL having a meltie

>>96272969

The problem with this card is that if your graveyard is full enough to make it good, you probably have it full enough to do something much more devastating than exiling it for a bunch of 2/2s.

>>96272981
of course not, I play a cardgame for retards after all

>>96272701
>Then what's the point of brackets at all?
to make it easier for commander to be an FNM/event staple where wotc can structure prizes for it
you do know that edh is the most popular format and that the only reason for wotc to even dip their toes into it is to gradually replace constructed with it right?

>>96272203
I like it less for my commander and more for a turn sideways card that keeps feeding me value. Either they waste shit clearing it or I keep tapping it for fun and profit

>>96272969
I have a friend who quit buying cards after khans of tarkir, he still plays it in his Sidisi deck and it's pretty good.

>>96272922
Probably one of the worst collection of hobbyists to ever "grace" the internet

>>96272981
>Make decks specifically to play with me!
I would do this, sounds fun.

>>96273017
>what is fun?

>>96272922
believe it or not, edhg used to be pretty dope. I hope one day it returns to its former glory.

>>96272922
>vibes
kys søyfaggot

>>96272452
That's why I don't play combo or do +1 counters and instead just go face with my equipment bros. I take up enough time as it is counting on my fingers, let the brains proliferate, I just wanna smack shit with an indestructible Tifa holding a hammer

>>96272725
>If you have 12 tutors but the deck isnt notably stronger then it can still be considered bracket 2
wow you mean i can stack my vintage legal mono black knights deck with all the broken tutors and claim that it's standard legal because i don't have combos in it and it's just a dumb casual aggro deck at the end of the day?
>bracket 2 says "few" tutors (3 if gavin grows enough of a spine to say it), power level has nothing to do with it

>>96272452
I saw once an izzet player concede and ragequit because we forced him to resolve his triggers
Why such a math heavy color always lures in retards?

>>96272948
1 chan, 2 chan, and 3 chan?

>>96272668
>when you see a mf that loves his deck so much he pimped it out with GCs but at the same time is so much of a tryhard that he can't let go of the deck to just netdeck and be a cedh sweat
pick a lane already

>>96273086
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta
>While Bracket 2 decks may not have every perfect card, they have the potential for big, splashy turns, strong engines, and are built in a way that works toward winning the game. While the game is unlikely to end out of nowhere and generally goes nine or more turns, you can expect big swings. The deck usually has some cards that aren't perfect from a gameplay perspective but are there for flavor reasons, or just because they bring a smile to your face.
>There's something to be said for intent, which is why we call out no intentional combos and the intent to chain together extra-turn spells. I've built decks before with unintentional combos in them, and if you steal a way to copy spells and cast an extra-turn spell, you can go for it. There's a big difference between deck-building intent and what happens in the game.
yes

>>96273110
>so much of a tryhard
>that he can't let go of the deck
these seems like two different people

Commanders for this feel?

>>96271850
my commander and then I shit my pants and cry when someone reminds me that the legend rule exists and I try to take it back but they don't let me and I saltily scoop and leave the store

>>96273119
yes and that's why the anon with the crying pepe is confused, because he literally has two wolves inside of him

Commanders for this feel?

>>96273120
Faceless One

>>96272052
>people get passive-aggresive at you when you play strong cards, and get sulky when you combo-victory at them
play with different people

>>96273017
The trick about that card is its an instant, so you keep 4 mana up then surprise flood the board. All the other mass reanimation requires you to do it at sorcery speed.
>>96273037
This was who I was thinking of putting it in

>>96272668
>make a shit deck
>add gamechangers
>now its a expensive shitdeck

>>96273118
to say that you can have 12 tutors but the deck *somehow* isnt notably stronger than a deck with only 3 tutors is already suspect in itself, but assuming you're not being disingenuous the whole point is that "few" doesn't mean 12 and you run basically 3 tutors only in bracket 2, regardless whether you use jank chaos or simic landfall

>>96272052
I keep a few unmodified and barely modified precons with me, some of the best games I've played are with those decks.

>>96271850
dad poo

>>96271850
Nice big creatures you got there, would be a shame if one of them decided to punch you in the face repeatedly.

Do people unironically use moxfield even though it doesn't tell you how many cards are in your current deck?

>>96273131
Three dog apparently

>>96273118
>There's something to be said for intent
it's very rich for gavin to say this when he can't even differentiate certain types of game winning combos
there's a difference between running bloodletter of aclazotz + fraying omnipotence where everyone's dead instantly and running combos with prerequisites/jumping through hoops)

Guys, what should I cut?

https://archidekt.com/decks/15109602/reforestation_project

>>96272052
there is a middleground you know? like building a deck that has no combos in it

>>96272452
I once played my storm deck stoned
it was fucking awful. I won, but it was an incredibly sloppy game where the winning turn took probably 20 minutes with god knows how many missed triggers
I felt like such an asshole; I haven't played it since and that was like six months ago.

>>96272922
I blame ub tourists

>>96273148
If you're going to demonic tutor for a 2/2 vanilla then it did not significantly increase your deck's power. 12 is an exaggerated number to make a point.

>>96273204
the point is that "few" means "few" and that you don't make excuses (hurr durr my deck is so weak guys) just so you can run up your tutor count

>>96273174
?
what do you think the text saying "100 main deck" means?

>>96273193
Embodiment of Insight looks bad
25 ramp spells seems excessive.

>>96273226
>I literally couldnt see the big fuck off purple bar at the bottom
ha. thanks

>>96273234
I think you're right. I'll get rid of a few ramp spells. Still not so sure about Embodiment of Insight, it seems like a decent way to turn my forests into temporary creatures so I can attack.

>>96273193
>Yedora + Nature's Revolt

>>96273193
Tifa and mightform, skullclamp, storm cauldron, hooded hydra, nevinrayals, staff of titania, virtue of strength, maybe wilderness rec, nervous gardener and most of the landfall section. Id also think strongly about manlands, its a theme i quickly dropped in my list. Look at fight spells for creature removal as you are fine with yours dying anyways so an "unfavorable" fight doesnt really exist.

>go to lgs
>pull out my wotc provided deck box for my precon
>beat the troons with the multiple hundred dollars deck and the gooner with a 100% ai waifu slop proxies while using all their accesories
>leave

>>96273288
>88
dear lord, hitler is back...

>>96273288
and then everyone heild

>>96273288
I wish this were true

>>96273288
>plot twist
>it was with gay kings and Treacherous Terrain

6273016
>come back
lmao, keep going with your meltdown, you totally left alright.

>>96270719
I bought the deck when it came out. Held Eddie through the high highs of $100+ dollars. Ignored the eye rolls and msg infused tears of anti-eminence fags. Dunked all the fags who told me Vamp Tribal is too slow and weak and that Mardu has way better aggro options. And I'll still be playing him in 4 years when we finally get another vampire focused set and I can finally get some upgrades.

Ukkima + Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief + Mutate + Blade of Shared Souls + other copy stuff
meme or dream?

>Go to LGS
>Pay for basics
>Tip my store owner
>Watch a homeless person with a proxied cEDH deck get shot for trying to sneak into the bracket 2 table
>Gavin shows up and warns a player that he will be moved to the bracket 4 table because their deck contains Demolition Field

>be me
>lowly simic landfall player
>can't even afford to be in 3 colors
>get hated off every casual table just because of the color of my skin
>try to play in higher skill tables
>not good enough
it ain't easy being UG.

>>96272922
It's just a couple of no life neckbeard faggots who spam each thread with their shit opinions then pretend they're ebic trolololing when they get btfo'd. Filter the following words and your browsing experience will increase immeasurably:

>proxyfag
>poorfag
>UBfag
>tourist
>combo
>skill issue
>schizo
>meltdown
>meltie

>>96273447
>filtering the word combo in an edh thread
Now I more of a battlecruiser guy myself but you can't be serious.

>be someone else
>have no identity of my own
>just play what's most popular on edhrec

>>96273406
Ivy is one of the most obnoxious for commander desiggns out there is. it matches Light paws

>>96272922
There's 3 or 4 salty Sam's that got really mad and decided to spend every day shitting up the threads. Most posters are fine

>>96273460
I drew completely dead playing lightpaws recently. Very sad.

I really like something about this art
I think I'll build this commander

>>96273442
sorry uploaded wrong pic this is my humble low power simic commander btw

>>96273458
Combo discussion is neither worth having nor listening to and it is a deck type that universally attracts the most annoying type of person. Nothing is lost filtering it out.

>>96273509
I dunno seems like you'd fit right in with them

>>96273501
>playing kinnan as a landfall deck
>11 dollars
damn son you suck at this trolling thing

>>96273447
curiously is fine with having people be called
>paypig
>slop
>tryhard
>sweat
>shill
>UWfag
>casual
>netdecker
>seething
kekw your bias is clear and you are retarded

Which one?

>>96273527
backgrounds are 100% based.

>>96273527
>big mana sink
vs
>some actual cool shit

i dunno man

>Looking up EoE cards, and find Glacier Godmaw, and Starwinder for my Kiora, Sovereign pile
>Oh haste and vigilance on landfall, as well as a ramp lander? Cool, a lot of my big sea creatures are slow, and vigilance helps keep blockers up
>I can cast Starwinder for the Warp cost, and get the proper mana value for Kiora's effect, AND I get to draw cards if my evasive sea creatures connect? Cool
>>>>>>>>>realize it's just landfall and draw shenanigans
coming 2 terms w/ being simic.................

>>96273527
>Whenever, Erinis enters or attacks, its owner returns target land card from a graveyard to the battlefield.
That would be so much cooler

>>96270141
We need a return to "Fuck all cards from that set specifically" cards

>>96273501
Honestly I'd let Kinnan landfall cook.

>>96273568
>Monkey paw curls and you get them, but only for in-universe Magic sets other than Modern Horizons
>They start coming packaged in UB precons

>>96273070
Based Gruul player.

>>96273447
Funniest thing about posts like these is what youre replying to is very clearly speaking to the general atmosphere of which your shitflinging is part of but instead of having an ounce of self awareness its just used as an excuse to whinge further.

>>96273447
wtf this post tripped all my filters good thing I blocked and didn't read it. Must be a schizopost.

>>96273626
if it triggers you so deeply you can just filter the word filter

Has anyone seen new homemade full art alters since they started making official ones? I haven't and people called me crazy for saying this would happen.

>order 7 packages of cards off tcgplayer
>6 arrive in less than a week
>1 arrives a month later, but it has all the rest of the cards of the 3 decks so I can't play any of them
This A L W A Y S fucking happens I cannot believe it. Every fucking time I order off tcgplayer one package arrives late or doesn't show this is such bullshit

>>96273682
I swear it never used to be this bad, enshitification is effecting more than just tech it seems.

>show up to lgs with my orzhov fliers deck
>get stomped into the core of the earth
huh, I guess this game changed a lot since 2013.

>>96273710
12 years will do that yes

>>96273682
The entire manabase for one of my decks is in one package I ordered during the first few days of last month and it still isn't here yet. I'm going postal if it doesn't show up by the end of the week.

>>96273724
yeah but like I was playing a pretty competitive teysa list with the combo and everything
I didn't expect to lose to randos

>>96273701
This has happened every time I've ordered cards going back like.. 6-7 years? At least
>>96273729
All 3 fucking commanders are in the last package, alongside some very key cards. I know this feeling.

I just realized channelfireball doesn't exist anymore. Bought out by tcgplayer. Apparently tcgplayer was also bought out by ebay recently lmao.

>>96273737
Post list

>>96273710
Did you walk into cedh night or something?

>>96273744
>I just realized channelfireball doesn't exist anymore
i take it it's not a shock to you regardless

>>96273744
>Apparently tcgplayer was also bought out by ebay recently lmao.
Yep, and immediately afterwards the union busting happened, processing times dropped off a cliff, and everything started going to shit. Isn't capitalism great??

>>96273761
>Isn't capitalism great??
you can always support your local reseller

Land with storm is a crazy idea, but this shit does way too much. It should just be the first 3 lines.

>>96273761
>>96273763
I support the chinaman.
>Better prices
>Faster delivery
>Cards always in great condition

let's have a hypothetical. say you have a friend living right next door. you both order cards from the same site, sometimes even the same seller but your letters seem to go missing every now and then and your friend's doesn't, ever.
at which percentage point of missing letters would you start to suspect him stealing your letters?

>>96273765
I like pic, even if it's also too strong

>>96273763
I do. There's two shops near me and I check them first, then I'm forced to rely on tcgplayer/card kingdom for ~80% of the rest of the cards the LGSs never seem to have

>>96273766
>cries about muh union busting
>he actually never cared about the genuine products they sold to begin with
>likes proxies from sweatshops in china instead
blatant virtue signaling in le 4chinz 2025 is wild yo

>>96273767
...do you guys not have mailboxes with locks on them?

>>96273682
One trick I use it to look at the shop is each package is located physically.

If I can get the same card/cards from a shop a state over compared to one on the other side of the country I'll go with the closer shop even if the prices are slightly higher.

>>96273339
uh oh meltie

>>96273786
I typically do as well but this was the only shop I could find with all these cards in one place. Too bad they seem to only exist in the shadow realm

>>96273785
in this hypothetical we both would have these simple flap top plastic boxes in a long row of em in a quiet suburbia

>>96273772
Does this imply...

>>96273782
Who said I cared about union busting or sweatshops? I care about good product at a good price.

>>96273818
it's fine to be libertarian but you don't get your cake and eat it too by shedding a tear for the working man

>>96273583
I'm ok with this

>>96273824
>get your cake and eat it too
this proverb doesnt make sense at all, why are americans so retarded?

>>96273583
based

>>96273682
Yup. I'm pretty much done with the site. I'll proxy.

I now proxy because it's 2025 and a one armed man from China can cross the ocean with a fucking row boat faster than TCGPlayer sellers can get a fucking package from Utah to California. I am sick of needing to wait 3 months to play a deck due to lazy shitty sellers that aren't removed from the site. MPC is far faster.

>>96273863
>faster than TCGPlayer sellers can get a fucking package from Utah to California
I've ordered from shops in the *same fucking state* and it's taken 3+ weeks. How the FUCK is that possible?

>>96273682
I only order online for cards my LGS doesn't have. So when pic rel happens I cry...

>>96273853
>The idiom "have your cake and eat it too" means that you cannot enjoy two desirable but mutually exclusive things at the same time. It implies that you can't have the benefits of both options when they are incompatible. Once you consume something, like a cake, you no longer possess it.
don't be so mad, americans at least didn't create "it's raining cats and dogs", only bongs can think up of such nonsense

>>96273899
>be cake collector
>look inside
>its eaten

>>96273882
I love that my LGS has a webstore. Even better they've got 20% markup if you trade cards in for credit.
But the selection is kind of ass at times, so I have to resort to TCG a lot of the time too.

>>96273873
It makes no sense unless they are just not sending it for weeks. I buy shit off ebay all the time and at most it takes a week even from the other side of the country.

3+ weeks is what I wait for a custom diorama from fucking Spain. Not a damn card a state over.

>>96273853
>have the cake
>eat the cake
>no longer have the cake
this isn't complicated

>>96273882
Usually my LGS seems out of at least 2 cards I need. I was surprised to go shopping for 15 cards for my Eggman deck and they actually had them all.
More expensive than TCGPlayer but evens out or ends up less because of a lack of 10+ shipping charges.

>>96273899
>he has never seen a 100 pound German Shephard fall from the sky and kill his father right before him on impact
I pray you never experience what I have.

>>96273899
>eat cake
>have it now in my stomach
get rekt murriCANTs lmao

>>96273671
Yes

>>96273936
>end up shitting it out
OHNONONONONO

>>96273774
>forced to check the biggest one I just HAVE to you dont understand
Hundreds of packages for me, never a single one from tcg or ck. Always get them in a timely fashion for a good price

>>96273772
It would need no ult, and even then it would be an auto include in a lot of decks.

>>96273863
>I'll proxy.

You didn't win.

Just use Card Kingdom. I get my cards in a few days. Yes it's a bit more expensive, but they are extremely anal about card quality. Don't need to pay extra for NM, EX is just fine.

>>96273931
>>96273921
It's always the fucking 20 cent commons that I REALLY need that my LGS and online stores don't have. They always have the splashy/staple cards like Questing Beast, fancy sol rings, etc. but never something like Reckless Impulse. It's mono red I need all the shitty draw I can get.

I straight up hate it here bros...

>>96273967
Fix your mail issues, sorry.

>>96273935
People who call themselves pet "parents" are mentally ill

>>96273968
Worst part is I guarantee they got a few copies tucked away somewhere in a stack of cards that they've been meaning to sort through for years

>>96273978
this seems utterly irrelevant to anything said.

>>96273899
>>96273926
i know what its supposed to mean, but it doesnt make the proverb any less retarded
>a major point of a cake is just "to have it"

>>96273978
>>96272247
Heavy ESL hours

>>96273986
Yes. Having cake is nice, because rhen you can go home of the the fridge and have a slice. Part of enjoyment (of certain things) is possession, because you cant enjoy it if you dont possess it. Once the cake is eaten you no longer possess it, you can no longer go
>hmm im feeling snackpilled I think ill go have a slice of cake
Because its gone. Did you go to a different class than the other kids anon?

>>96273999
anyways, here is a commander for your awesome food analogy proverb

>>96273944
jokes on you, I've been cakemaxxing for years now and suffer from severe constipation

>>96274011
why can't i find actual cake in mtg art?

>>96274048
>weird stockings over pants
nice

>>96273983
He literally said "a dog fell from sky and killed it's father"

>>96274055
I think those are boots, twin.

>>96274011
More like Greta Sextoo-- wait a minute why is she indian???

>>96274064
>it's
>his
Bestie.... not like this....

>>96273986
>>96273999
retards
"having cake" analogous to "access to cake at any time", which is why the proverb makes no sense, because the people who have access to cake at any time can also eat it at the same time while not losing access to more cake.
"eating cake" is just one of your options that people can choose to do when they have access to cake.
tl;dr having cake and eating it is the status quo for first worlders, while thirdies (for example american mutts) barely ever see cake, so when they eat it, they don't have cake anymore.

>>96274072
Ok so the dog is boy

>>96274048
https://scryfall.com/search?q=art%3Acake

>>96274070
aren't lunchladies mostly indian anyways?
wotc goes out of their way to make sure they're represented

>>96274011
What app do you use to keep track of what room you're in when venturing into a dungeon?

>>96274073
im not ever baking cake to "have it"
i want to fucking fuck that thing

>>96274082
bless your heart anon but this isn't the cake i'm looking for

>>96274092
weight watchers

>>96274078
The way the sentence is structured means that the father of the person witnessing the dog falling from the sky is the one who died, not that the dog kill it's own father-dog.
Not saying this to be a dick or anything, I know some sentence structure can be confusing to people who are ESL and that's okay.

>>96274092
My 115 IQ brain???

>>96274101
Ok the sentence wording was sloppy I guess. He needs to make better sentences in the future.

>>96274096
https://scryfall.com/search?q=art%3Abutt&unique=art

>>96274108
ah that's better thanks

>>96274073
This is so sad. The internet has done awful things to stupid insecure people with egos

>>96274107
No its literally not sloppy at all and anyone who is
1. A native English speaker
Or
2. An ESL who actually reads books (not necessary but helpful for 1)
Would immediately parse the sentence correctly

>>96274126
>>96274126
>>96274126

>>96274117
https://scryfall.com/docs/tagger-tags
you would be surprised what art tags are in there

>>96274108
>Sylvan Paradise
unironically a beautiful card

>>96273767
Believe it or not but he might be totally innocent, the way the post office sorts shit is all kinds of fucking retarded. My cousins live just down the way from me and there have been times where they order the same day as me but because their last name is higher on the alphabet than mine they'll sometimes get mail actual days before me. It's maddening

>>96273853
its not an american idiom

>>96273853
it comes from Victorian aristocrats who would purposely have decorated cakes to look more wealthy during party's back in time period where cake was a luxury only the upper elite enjoyed and the saying popped up cause the cakes where expensive so eating it was kinda a big deal

>>96274048
Saffi is my cardfu. Great card too.

>>96273288
BEYOND THE GRAVE BASED
HH!

>>96273682
Their TCG Direct service is fucking dog shit now; I can order something from a store in Florida, and get it faster than they ship from a fulfillment center in New York. Keep in mind, I'm riding the border in Ontario, and can see the States right across the water. It usually takes weeks for the postal service to pick it up on tracking after the label is created, and tracking just goes silent at the border, too.
I've ordered using TCG Direct for years, but recently, every single package I order has been consistently slapped with duty while NON-direct tcgplayer shipments (i.e: some random store in Colorado or w/e) make it through without issue.

Most recently, I ordered a foil Edgar Markov, and TCG Direct sent a retro frame foil Edgar, which was selling for less at the time, and it took them a month to get back to me (I was only asking for the difference in price being made up as store currency, so it wasn't an egregious request).
ts has encouraged me to seek out local shops north of the border, and I've been making the bulk of my purchases from them.