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The Clans are honestly just a lamer version of the Zentradi.

>>96275658
London Bridge is falling down! Falling down! Falling down!

>>96275658
Really hope the Anime AU comes with not!Zentradi super-Elementals

>>96275622 (OP)
Great. Now I want to throatfuck a protomech.

Given how Assault Tech Industries was co-founded by both the Lyran Commonwealth and Clan Wolf-in Exile and with the Exiled Wolves reuniting with the Crusader Wolves in 3151, is Assault Tech Industries still allowed to make OmniMechs like the Ice Ferret/Fenris, Sojourner, and Linebacker for the Lyran Commonwealth Armed Forces?

>>96275689
The world it's on is controlled by the Lyrans, so the real question is if the Wolves still get anything out of it.

>>96275695
Which really depends on whether the Lyrans want to make a stink about it now being a semi-foreign corporation owned by a different clan than the one they originally signed an agreement with. It may be business as usual and they got a pizza party to celebrate dropping the -in-exile part. It could be full blown lawfare.

>>96275666
>London Bridge is falling down! Falling down! Falling down

Groovy.

>>96275677

Looking like the following:
>Minimum 1 LAM per lance or portion thereof
>Random age roll for pilots; pilots between 13-17 get free SPAs, and have a chance for G/P bonuses
>Some Mechs have a "super deformed" option that reduce them to a 1 level tall unit
>All Mechs have a free "evasion save" that let's them avoid any given attack due to their agility
>Equipment cards can be added to Mechs. Only one seen so far is a "Blazer Sword" that generates an automatic crit check when striking the CT
>Light and Medium Quad Mechs can combine into a super heavy unit
>pilots gain a third MechWarrior skill, Musician. You can forgo your movement and attack rolls to play music that turn.
>2 sort of enemy Aliens; the Zakyu are humanlike and set up orbital colonies if not stopped; if they aren't put in charge of government, they tend to drop the colonies as RKVs into planets.
>Other sort is a race of giant men who pilot huge battle armor. These guys can be stunlocked by a Musician check with a high enough MoS. They reproduce asexually; there are no alien women at all.
>for better player engagement, saying the name of your attack roll loudly at the table gains a mechanical benefit
>Galaxy-wide threat to EVERYONE is the Golden Harmony, a hive mind that seeks to own everything, and everyone, everywhere. Notable for assimilating cultures and translating what makes them unique and interesting into the galactic linga franca, destroying the original material in the process
>To make everyone happy about the art, there's no more cooling vests and fishnets and so forth. MechWarriors wear a cooling suit that covers the whole body except for head and hands, to keep the setting family friendly

>>96275723
Do you actually have info or are you just very on point with your memeing?

>>96275736
I CAN'T TELL EITHER

>>96275695
>>96275718

But prior to that, especially when the LCAF's Royal Guards replaced the mechs already used to guard the Archon's Throne Room in the Tharkad Triad, why didn't they make purchases for say, Ice Ferrets/Fenrises? Sure they're Clan OmniMechs but given they have a similar armament configuration to the traditional Griffins (compare the Ice Ferret Prime's ER PPC to that of a GRF-1N's PPC and the ER small laser of the former with the GRF-1RG's small laser) and why the Griffin was the original mech used to guard the Archon, surely the Ice Ferret/Fenris would be the ideal Clan OmniMech for the Lyrans to use to guard the Archon by the late 3140s.

>>96275723
That sounds bullshit, but I like it and I wish you weren't lying

>>96275622 (OP)
What do protos have to do with the Vipers or Andrews specifically?

>>96275723
>>Light and Medium Quad Mechs can combine into a super heavy unit
>>pilots gain a third MechWarrior skill, Musician. You can forgo your movement and attack rolls to play music that turn.
THEY'VE GOT, A POWER AND A FORCE THAT YOU'VE NEVER SEEN BE~FORE!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYuV-2BLBE

>there are no alien women at all
BOOO!

>MechWarriors wear a cooling suit that covers the whole body except for head and hands, to keep the setting family friendly
You act as though that would work.

>>96275819
it's an antique meme that would take way too long to explain

>>96275658
>pic uses source material as a vehicle for fetish art

>>96275723
Fuuuuck you mate I can't tell if you're taking the piss or not. That's exactly the sort of memeshit that CGL would try to cram into an anime version of Battletech. A+ effort if you're trolling.

>>96275677
PA(L)-Vees when?

>>96275864
Tbf battlemechs and giantesses are basically the same thing. They both have skeletons, they both have muscles, they both use an organic brain to control their movements directly.

>>96275876
You can't milk a battlemech.

>>96275887
The lower CT of the Mackie implies otherwise

>>96275887
You could if you weren't a fucking coward.

>>96275894
You can't milk a Mackie for the same reason you can't milk a bull.

>>96275902
Bulls can be milked just like any boy can.

>>96275876
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYJjLDSpUKE&list=PL1fWEv83luEOaL5YsKISVdPjqhPDZKLUw&index=5

>>96275876
The mechwarrior is not the battlemech's brain.

>>96275723
>Galaxy-wide threat to EVERYONE is the Golden Harmony, a hive mind that seeks to own everything, and everyone, everywhere. Notable for assimilating cultures and translating what makes them unique and interesting into the galactic linga franca, destroying the original material in the process
Kek'd audibly. Well done.

>>96275723
I don't think there's anything I'd like less than for it to wind up being a bunch of 90's anime dub era references like mechs turning chibi and an over-representation of the one or two shows they're familiar with like heavily featuring combiners and music.

>>96275987
>The mechwarrior is not the battlemech's brain.
It controls its movements and connects to its nervous system and makes all the decisions so it effectively is the brain. The neurohelmet is designed in such a way that the mechwarrior literally feels the mech as if it were his own body.

>>96276037
It's CGL. You goddamn well know that's what's going to happen. Even if they did something good referencing a modern show, like forcing all female mechwarriors to pilot doggy style like they were in darling in the franxx, they'd still find a way to ruin it by making all the female mechwarriors trannies or something.

>>96276057
>The neurohelmet is designed in such a way that the mechwarrior literally feels the mech as if it were his own body.
You need to read more.

>>96276078
I actually had this idea once for a mecha anime where the mechs are sort of like Evangelions, cyborgs made from alien DNA, and only trannies can pilot them because living with gender dysphoria has conditioned their brains to be able to handle the eldritch sensations of being connected to the nervous system of a totally different species. Also means only genuine trannies and not those gross AGPs like the bud light faggot.

>>96276078
>something good
>forcing all female mechwarriors to pilot doggy style
Explain why you think that's good

>>96276080
No u

>>96276146
Because women treat autistic males as objects of disgust and so autistic hobbies like Battletech should only include them as sex objects.

>>96276057
>The neurohelmet is designed in such a way that the mechwarrior literally feels the mech as if it were his own body
It's a neurohelmet, not DNI or EI.

>>96276080
Seems like they kind of go back and forth on whether or not the advanced SL and Clanner helmets give any feedback like that or if you can only do it with implants, depending on the writer.

>>96276158
>hobbies like Battletech should only include them as sex objects.
Said perfectly. Nice.

>>96276166
Correct, but it still does that, hence why neurohelmets can't work on tanks for example, the pilot feels the mech as his body, and you can't imagine what it's like to be a tank.

>>96276173
Neurohelmets have generally been written as less useful over time. The older fluff had them give some feedback and allow for fine tuning movements based on what the helmet reads as your intent, and it gets better and better at understanding the pilot over time (or rather the mech's computer does, so you get better at piloting a specific mech the longer you do it). There was even a civilian device in one of the FWL universities that used neurohelmet technology to beam cliff notes and citation snippets directly into your mind as you read scholastic materials.
Most of the writing nowadays though treats standard neurohelmets as basically just portable MRI machines.

>>96276217
And the original fluff for the SLDF helmets had them beaming sensor data into the pilot's mind with enough clarity that they could actually pilot with their eyes closed. They could even pilot entirely by mind without touching the physical controls at all, although that's not the best idea since twitch aiming a flight stick or keying in targeting priority with your fingers is faster and more reliable than trying to think it articulatably enough that the computer doesn't get confused.

>>96276203
>you can't imagine what it's like to be a tank.
LIKE HELL I CAN'T!

>>96276203
>hence why neurohelmets can't work on tanks for example
Nuerohelmets are used in some models of tank. They're also used in ASF's.

You don't feel the mech as your body. You're a glorified balance detector for the actual DI of the machine. The DI computer is constantly reading your brainwaves, though. The stupid good pilots just get really good a thinking in such a way they can get really complex movement out of the machines. The machines also learn their pilots. That's why they start to mimic your habits if you drive them a really long time. Think of it like a murder algorithm equivalent of a website feed algorithm. It works to be tailored to you.

>>96276203
Neurohelmets are used for ASFs.

>>96276203
Decision At Thunder Rift, chapter 18

>>96276173
Getting implants makes you a tranny

>>96276173
SL helmets give enough feedback and retain enough data that it becomes untenable to use them after the first few pilots without a factory reset. You start getting feedback "ghosts" where previous users data gets mixed up with your data but their brainwaves are not your brainwaves and you start hallucinating.
The successor states actually still have some of these helmets during the lostech era, they're just guaranteed to fuck you up if you dare try to use them and nobody has a method of factory reseting them.

>>96276255
Oh, and importantly there are actually rules for this, piloting with a ghosty helmet is pretty close to crippling iirc.

>>96276241
It literally says right there that the Locust is an extension of his body.

>>96276255
>>96276295
Interesting. Where can I read about it?

>>96276235
>>96276239
FM:WC has their ASF Pilots still having that shit.

>>96276255
Would comstar not still be able to do it? I assume they wouldn't offer it as a service.

>>96276239
Only to give them a better sense of balance, they don’t actually control any part of the plane with the neurohelmet.

>>96276329
And explains it actually isn't in the next paragraph.

I've seen some fags here and elsewhere that rape is used as a punishment in sibko training. Where is the proof to this clan slander?

>>96276241
>>96276329
I feel like if you chopped off the bottom paragraph, it'd be reasonable to assume he was mentally controlling its walking, and if you chopped off the top paragraph it'd be that there's no mental control at all and that's totally fanciful for now.

The real fantasy is thinking that the technology is ever gonna get much better in the inner sphere. lol, lmao, status quotech.

>>96276352
It's alluded to in the first book of the Jade Falcon trilogy

>>96276338
gee billy, why does aerospace get the 3D cockpit and the mech pilots have to look through the windows?

Though I don't know why scanning the pilots mind lets him see through his own craft though.

>>96276344
Incorrect.

>>96276376
It literally says right there that they’re using joysticks or gloves to control the planes

>>96276370
'Mechs get the Vision Strip, which compresses a 360 degree view around the mech into a 160 degree view in front of the ship in order to provide peripheral vision. They don't really need to see a full 360 x 360 sphere.

>>96276380
>and even neural impulses from the helmet activating the altitude thrusters and control flaps to turn and maneuver a fighter

It would be in everyone's best interest that people asserting their headcanon of how tech in BT works instead reference the techmanual first.

>>96276335
The current rules are in Interstellar Ops: Alternate Eras, and apparently no one at all can actually fix these things once they start degrading. The clans ditched them in the golden century and comstar stopped using them by the 3030s. They start out great, with a -1 to piloting rolls and the Multi-Trac quirk. But at the start of a campaign or mission you have to roll 2d6 with an increasing penalty for the age of the helmet, and if you ever roll below a 6 it starts getting worse and worse. It loses multi-trac, it adds sensor ghosts, it adds hard to pilot, and eventually it just gives the mechwarrior a permanent +1 to their skills because of brain damage.

>>96276383
I'm not sure how that would look, other than when you increase FOV in a game so far the corners of your screen are actually your rear view like a fisheye camera.

Because especially with the neckless designs in the games, battlemechs having poor rear view is a crushing issue. Getting hit from behind by something small and distant like aircraft and you're having to swing your whole torso about looking for them is bad stuff.

>>96276431
The mech's sensors point in every direction. The simpler neurohelmets compress that down to the vision strip, which I always imagined as screens emulating mirrors that show you the reverse view. Better neurohelmets just beam the feed directly into your head.

>>96276431
The older games had rear cameras but PGI literally couldn't figure out how to do that because they didn't properly know how to use cryengine and they dismissed the people that did to save money.

>>96276158
Women ARE sex objects. That's literally their purpose. Nothing wrong with the treating a Sheila like she deserves.

>>96276360
It's not alluded to at all. Falconer Joanna has sex with the students under her command, by her own orders. That's a power imbalance and that makes it rape. Consent is impossible when one party has any sort of power advantage, be it physically or social, over th other party. sex under such conditions is always rape.

>>96276431
The vision strip doesn't replace your main window, it's below it, so that you can check what's near you. It's a composite image from multiple cameras (Similar tech makes it possible to see to the right of a Shadow Hawk or Hunchback when the gun blocks direct eyeball view out the window)

>>96276453
Perfect power balance is impossible, there is literally always a power imbalance of some kind to some degree between all people.

>>96275794
Griffins as a bodyguard was pretty retarded. Imagine trying to target an assassin with a PPC or even a multi salvo firing LRM10 at close range without vaporising the Archon and half the nobility in the throne room. Was it supposed to emphisise how stupid the Steiner rulers are?

>>96276465
Correct. That is why all sex is rape, and we need to ban it and move to iron womb reproduction as quickly as possible. The sooner IRL sex is banned the better God will love us.

>>96276485
The variant they use swaps the PPC for a large laser to squeeze in machine guns.

>>96276485
Almost any weapon you can mount on a mech is turning everyone in the room into ashes or smears or ground meat, it doesn't really matter.

>>96276485
>>96276505
I think you'll find a PPC kills 1 infantry target, so they're actually perfectly safe.

>>96276057
Sounds like you are confusing 40k dreadnoughts with Battlemechs. The Neurohelmet is just used for balance of the machine, that's all. Its why all those screens and controls are in the cockpit - the pilot uses THEM to control the mech's systems, using their hands and feet. Clanners did experimented with a direct brain link, but it burns out the user.

>>96276508
Depends which version of the game you play. Originally, FASA's Citytech had a PPC kill 10 per shot, not the feeble thing retconning Catalyst uses.

>>96276485
To be fair, I think they're supposed to be 1S since they're native to Steiner space and have a more balanced loadout, but the artists keep drawing the default one because they're retarded like that.

>>96276517
Why would you ever take infantry in that scenario

>>96276510
This is also incorrect. Very fine movements unrelated to balance can be heavily influenced by the neurohelmet's link to your mind alone.

>>96276523
They're cheap and a PPC fired at them is a PPC not fired at something else.

>>96276376
What's that from? Not challenging, just curious.

>>96276536
TechManual

>>96275871
>motor cycle infantry with support weapons&body armour
There. It is represented in the rules.

>>96276517
>a armor piercing weapon somehow kills 10 fucking dudes
Are they standing in a straight fucking line? Does the PPC electrify the ground and kill that way or is it just another case of FASA physics?

>>96276555
Sweeping some dudes with a weaponized particle accelerator is a bit more damaging than just shooting a big bullet in their general direction.

>>96276552
It's power armor and they walk while wearing the whole suit.

>>96276555
Considering the minimum range is from the gun being inhibited to not potentially damage the firing mech, yeah it'll cause some spillover damage. That's three hexes for safety lol

>>96276541
Tx

>>96276555
A stream of protons impacting the ground at any measurable percentage of lightspeed will cause a good sized explosion

>>96275723
Now pay attention kids and zoomy newfaggots. This is how you troll a thread. This is ther masterbait

>>96275723
I know it's bait. But goddamn if that's not truly excellent bait. Well played NEA. 11/10, would impotently rage again.

>>96276485

Then what stopped the LCAF from going with Ice Ferrets/Fenrises when they wanted something fancy to guard the Archon in the late 3140s because while the Defiance and Warhammer actually assigned to guard the Archon do offer short-ranged weapons that can be used without hurting the Archon (the machine guns and small lasers of the former and the ER small lasers of the latter), Ice Ferrets/Fenrises offer more simpler loadouts while offering the chance to show off what the Lyran Commonwealth can finvgtsdancially afford.

>>96276911

Meant "financially afford".

LOOK OUT HE'S GOT AN SRM CARRIER

Who wins

>>96276911
>mech whose entire point is being really fast
>deploy it inside a building

Seems about right for Lyran leadership.

If Clan Mechs, let's get some fucking Piranhas going!

>>96276932
SRM Carrier or Hetzer, which is a higher-priority target?

>>96277076
SRM carrier, easy

>>96277076
>>96277105
srm carrier dies a lot easier

>>96276445
fake australian STFU and GTFO.
the only thing to do with a woman is treat her like the degenerate, diseased whore she is. Turn 180 and walk the fuck away.

>>96277076
SRM carrier is a more important priority.

>>96276526
You can tell that BT is scifi from the fact that they have useful, working AI applications such as these.

some more Gray Death Legion. I now have a 3039 and 3050 roster for first mech company.

>>96276485
>>96276520
Record sheets for the throne room Griffins was released recently. They're -1RG and then -3RG models.

Give me your picks for a Worst Possible Clan Invasion, four starter and three backup

>>96276510
>The Neurohelmet is just used for balance of the machine, that's all
You're thinking of the Gyro.

>>96278442
Spirits, Mandrills, Hellions and Burrocks, backed up with the Scorps, Horses and Jags

>>96278442
Nova Cats get their guy in the ilkhan chair, he proceeds to plan the invasion using their rituals of augury. They somehow get everything wrong, as they always do.
Fedcom plants their flag on Stana Mechty by 3060

Favorite IIC variant of a mech?
For me it's the clan toilet

>>96279413
How dare you bismirch the glorious name of the Starship Jennerprise!

>>96279413
Marauder 1. Looks like a spaceship and hits like an acme anvil.

>>96279413
I like the Rifleman IIC because it has a neat hat. I don't really like using it though since a lot of its variants are boring cheese cLPL boats.

>>96279413
I really dig the Commando IIC.
Doesn't do anything ridiculous; vomits missiles then dies, just like the original.

>>96279413
I love all of them because they are best of both worlds: stuff we all now and love except Harder Better Faster Stronger (and designed while on whatever it is that Clans snort), but still most tame of what clans can bring to the table.
Humble Locust probably eats the cake tho. IIc version of even the humblest, most common and lightweight mechs can zoom around and fire 8x ER small lasers for 5 dmg each. More than enough to smelt anything IS in similar weight bracket into slag. And it still has that pulse medium.

>>96275646
Nightsky is such a nice mech. Got one in current campaign as a wingman for a Pariah, its sizable jump and hatchet create a nice danger-zone that even bigger mechs are wary to enter, lest they get smacked with pulse lasers and an axe to the rear armor. Great BV value too!

>>96275622 (OP)
Hey /btg/ I know it's spoonfeeding, but can you guys give me a general breakdown of what the different eras mean mechanically, other than just flavor for your mechs and making some more difficult to obtain in campaigns? I think clan mechs aren't available prior to the clan invasion but is there anything else? That said is there a general everything goes era?

>>96275723
NEA if any of what you just listed turns out to be accurate, I swear to cat, I am going to find you and burn your house down. Gothic is just a mistake and a total waste of company resources. What you've listed is pure cancer. Not including any fits whatsoever? How is it supposed to be anime without big titty dickgirls? Degeneracy is a core component of the genre, and you leaving it out of the lineup is a moral failing on your heart. We need our well endowed warship captains.

>>96280046
>of what the different eras mean mechanically,
They mean nothing. There is only one set of rules.

>That said is there a general everything goes era?
Republican, Dark Age and Ilkhan, but generally, your opponent can refuse to play if you're obviously being a faggot, as you are right now.

>>96280046
The later eras have more and more technology available, and more widely available. The late succession wars have all Introductory rules level technology available (with a smidgen of higher rule level leftovers from the Star League for special scenarios, but the vast majority of games will be strictly Introductory), then clan invasion is Standard level rules, and every era afterwards adds more stuff that counts as Advanced and Experimental. Generally speaking, things that are Experimental in one era become Advanced in the next one unless they're dead ends that stop being used entirely. Nothing ever drops to Standard level though, because Standard is defined as being printed in Total Warfare and Total Warfare is deliberately not all-inclusive so that there is a fixed baseline.

>>96280117
That's why Battletech needs a reboot to allow more stuff as standard tech. I want my Risc tech.

>>96280117
Doesn't the Star League and Early Succession War eras include advanced tech like double heat sinks, gauss rifles, beagle ect. which we either have go extinct altogether or get re-discovered at some point before the clan invasion?

So you could play some games in the Amaris Coup and have the sides decked out in SLDF tech, Royal Variants, ect.

>>96280184
The star league has stuff up to Experimental.
Generally to be completely clear in your intentions you should say an era and a rules level. If you say late succession wars and Experimental technology level rules, that allows LAMs to be included. Realistically, most of the time you just describe what you want. If you say clan invasion, you don't really need to specify Standard rules. Or at least you shouldn't have to. I guess if you have an autistic corner shooting asshole in your group you might need to get really specific about what exactly you mean.

Has there ever been an instance of a mech warrior becoming brain damaged from taking a few too many head hits?

>>96280254
Off the top of my head, Crael can't pilot anymore after getting his ass beat on Antallos. That might be damage to his body or the result of combat drug abuse though, but I'm pretty sure it's implied to be neurological.

Do they have options for playing in the eras of Battletech before the mechs were invented? I actually really like the vehicle and infantry designs but I'm not a fan of the overpowered mecha.

>>96280108
>How is it supposed to be anime without big titty dickgirls?
Why do you have to put a dick on it?

>>96280254
Can't you get brain damage from a blown off side torso?

>>96280274
Barely. It's technically possible, but the primitive equipment is heavily compressed into just a few options, and there are only a handful of examples of units that old, because they're only in the game as throwbacks for the Jihad retrotech trend. There has never been a focus on that distant past.

>>96280274
>I don't like mechs
Then this ain't the game for you. The nickname for mechs are literally Lords of the Battlefield.

>inb4 "Non only overpowered ones"
Still not the game for you. Try Heavy Gear.

>>96279413
I like the Griffin because it seems completely different until you spend a moment to look at it and realize that it's actually fairly similar

>>96279413
Wolverine IIC

>>96280108
If you get Space Pirate Sara on Btech levels, what mechs do we give to the Twins? The entire plot is pure Periphery but a man can wonder.

Does anyone have that picture edit of those two asian maids with one being envious about the others bust with her representing Cappy's and the other the Draconis Combine?

>>96280274
There's actually a massive disconnect between fluff and crunch that makes everything besides mechs far more powerful on TT than they are in the fluff.
Your options for stuff made before battlemechs is everything invented before 2439, the year the mackie was invented and deployed.

This isn't bad.
Who's the art director these days? This doesn't look like shimmy's work.

>>96280892
>anon has to go to /tg/ for jerkoff material
What an asshole!

>>96280944
That's Shimsham by the panel work. He just actually used some curves for once like when he copied Alex's Bmer.

It shows you that any retard decisions are actual retard decisions, not lack of skill.

So, it's pretty unlikely for the mercs stopping the pirates in middle of raiding a planet, or preventing it by coming to the planet before them?

>>96280963
Unless the mercs are garrisoned there, or the local militia can pin the pirates down.

The usual mission is more like "These people have been attacking us. Please stay here and defend us." followed by "These people have been attacking us. Find their base and kill them."

>>96280963
Most pirates aren't looking for a fight, so just having mercs on standby is enough to deter them most of the time. They're opportunists and will go find an opportunity somewhere safer.
Mercs being hired mid-raid to intervene would require them to already be on the planet. It could happen, but they might already be under contract and then you have to involve their current employer to see if they can be borrowed on very short notice. Or maybe they do it pro bono if they're goody two shoes.

>>96280920
Though in general unless anon has his own group it's very unlikely you'll find anyone that wants to play in such an era.

>>96276241
I like to quote the GDL trilogy too, however. We both know locusts are not 30 meters tall.

>>96276418
Fuck that. There is only my headcannon.

>>96276453
>Consent is impossible when one party has any sort of power advantage
All sex is rape then. Men always have a power advantage over women in being stronger physically.

>>96277076
What mech am I in?

>>96280957
Comparing it to something like shimmy's archer it seems more like another artist taking some inspiration from shimmy's style.

>>96280944

Marco Mazzoni, very new.

https://www.sarna.net/news/artistically-speaking-with-battletechs-new-art-director-marco-mazzoni/

Previous one, by the way, was Brent Evans (who was also art director for Shadowrun, which might explain some of the leakage).

Anthony Scroggins was never art director for anything, he's just a prolific artist who likes to have fights online.

>>96281256
Shimmy was officially the art director a few years ago.

My fellow Dracs, I have a question. An Ting Legion, Legion of Vega or Proserpina Hussars?

>>96281517
Which one is red?

>>96281565
That would be the Legion of Vega

>>96281732
Legion of Vega then. Dracs should be red.

>>96280920
>crunch that makes everything besides mechs far more powerful on TT
It's literally just that BV is crappy, battletech is played entirely on a gentleman's agreement to be fair, and it's a skirmish game designed around few units that breaks when you field too many units.
It's not like it isn't equally painful to fight perfectly optimized jumper laser boats with a horde of naked infantry so they always get to act when they want to.

That they fixed the anti-infantry rules to exclude half the guns that were intended to be used for anti-infantry didn't help though. What do they think all those single small lasers and AC/2s are supposed to do now?

>>96281817
The AC/2s at least were supposed to be used to shoot down flying things. Small lasers should kill a few guys per shot though given how many units mount one "to fight infantry".

>>96279413
The Hunchback
When using 2 lighter ballistics like UACs or LBXs so you can actually armor the damn thing.

>>96281817
Doesn't it also like break initiative too? You need about 3 tanks of equal tonnage to go head to head with a mech of the same tonnage to have about a 50/50 chance of winning under normal conditions

>>96281864
If you have enough shit on the table, then it doesn't matter if you win or lose initiative. Especially if you out number your opponent. If they win initiative, congrats, you move the stuff you don't want to move first. They lose initiative? Congrats, you move the stuff you want moved first. As for tanks vs mechs, a decent tank can fuck a mech up like its nothing.

>>96281897
>a decent tank can fuck a mech up like its nothing.
There's a reason I specified "of the same tonnage". An 80 ton tank can fuck up a 40 ton mech for sure, but against an 80 ton mech it's going to lose hard.

>>96281864
If you're using the unequal number of units rule properly it shouldn't be a complete initiative swamp, although there's still a small advantage for the side with more units at the top of the round if they don't have exactly twice your number or more.

What aerospace unit best represents this situation?

>>96281909
Except in the specific case of dismounted foot infantry. If you are significantly outnumbered by foot infantry, they will ruin the initiative system by proxy. Sure, the other guy might have to move three infantry units for each one of your mechs, but infantry doesn't have facing. It doesn't have the movement needed to play mind games. Everyone can predict what each infantry unit will be doing, and that means there's no disadvantage in them moving first. You know they're going to stay in the only hex they have cover in. You know those other guys are going to move 1 space towards the nearest cover or objective. You can't counter play that by letting them go first. But your mechs, on the other hand, have vulnerable rear arcs and the enemy would love to see exactly where you're going to put them before they have to move a single one of their own mechs. It makes it almost impossible to set up your own backstabs and very hard to avoid being backstabbed.

Battletech might be one of the few games where the actual mechanics of the game are more realistic than the lore itself.

>>96281943
I say this when my ten hex hopping mech is literally untouchable by attacks outside of being within a whisker of them. Partial wings and improved jump jets turn you into a NEXT.

>>96281998
Is it DA fuckery time?

>>96281998
>tarcomp-aes-pulses u

>>96282019
Then you just make a jumping tarcomp pulseboat

>>96281898
There are lots of good CVs and lots of bad Mechs. BV is a vastly more accurate measure of ability than unit type and tonnage.

>>96282230
Tonnage is a better measure because BV is inherently designed to favor massed units of cheaper units. I'm not saying tanks can't win, but you're winning because you have a lot of them, not because they're good per se. It's very much a quantity over quality thing with tanks.

>>96282283
1 Cizin vs. 1 Blackjack. 1 Sekhmet vs 1 Jaegermech. These are not evenly matched fights.

>>96282305
Fair, I should've accounted for production year as well so you're not matching up a mech that's 350 years outdated with a brand new tank.

>>96281898
A charger is not going to have a fun time against a demolisher.

>>96282537
Depends which hits first, the ACs or the Charge attack.

>>96282580
The order of the phases might be a problem for the charger

You are prepared for bug storms, right /btg/? What about bug drift?

You are prepared for bug storms, right /btg/?

>>96282958
No, since you haven't posted the whole table.

>>96282580
Shooting happens before melee, and the charger has to spend at least one turn in range prior to charging in order to be able to close.

>>96282958
the hell is this crop m8

The (2nd) best ROTS mech

>>96281517

2nd An Ting Legion

>>96283381
What's the best?

>>96282019
I don't think AES and tarcomp can be on the same mech.

>>96283463
doloire prime, AESd's clan LPLs and a gauss rifle go crazy

Who wins

>>96283491
I have no idea what 80% of these are. I'm saying the team with the Ryoken.

>>96275723
Now THIS is how you troll.

>>96282537
The trick with that is to stack into the same hex as the tank and then kick it to death because it can't target at 0 hexes.

>>96283813
So a trick with exactly a 50% chance of working if all conditions are met?

>>96283862
Much higher chance if there is literally any terrain at all. Just wait until the tank loses initiative and pounce.

Also, in a flat nothing, you can also sprint in under the guns completely in a single round. Then you just stay on them and attack after that if you win initiative or sprint out from the range of the guns if you lose.

>>96283927
A charger can only run 8 hexes in one turn, the long range of an AC/20 is 9. Sprinting is an optional rule. Unless you are 4 hexes away with two light woods and a heavy woods between, or 5 hexes away with a level 2 terrain in between, you're going to have to risk it.

>>96283381
>Comstar mech
>2nd best Stoner mech not designed by Stoners
>1st best is one of the 3120's retcon machines
Appropriate.

>>96283927
That's 50%.
You either win init or lose.
Frankly if you're going to play every match like a bitch, don't be surprised if people stop playing with you.

>>96283927
You can't make any deliberate attacks if you sprinted that turn.

>>96283927
>lose init
>sprint away 10 hexes
>demolisher rolls forward and shoots you in the back
Lmao.

>>96283978
Run 8 +3 into long +4 against a standard pilot +4 who likely didn't sit still cruise +1. So that's boxcars needed on the guns. If the tank pilot wises up, 11's. If he tries to chase, it's impossible for him to hit.

In pretty much all these scenarios, you have to win initiative 2 turns in a row as the Charger pilot, and you have to kite. But you'll likely only need 2'ish kicks to motive kill the tank and then you can just sit on top of it and grind it into nothing.

It's certainly not a guaranteed win, but it's not a coin flip, and way smarter than doing a charge (which I believe is also still optional unless they changed it recently) where the tank gets to dump double 20's point blank before any damage and if anything hits force a piloting roll.

On the opposite side, if the tank's dice are really good and he TAC's (also optional) or takes off the head, or the Charger's dice are terrible and he flubs a pilot roll, then he's dead. But the tank's dice have to be really good. Battletech.

>>96283989
A one on one unit match like that isn't built to be a friendly pickup game. It's meant to break the units however you can to win. You gonna complain about the nuclear shiltron match or the scorpions nest scenario next? They're meant as showcases on how certain things function.

>>96284009
10 hexes +4 pilot +4, flank +2, medium range +2

Still boxcars's, and the charger is in the same position to get back on top of you with a sprint if you lose initiative the next round. If you cruise and shoot long, you can't even hit.

>>96284064
Wait, drop that to 11's and Boxcars because -1 for sprinting.

>>96282958
>>96282984
>>96283077
Do your part Anon!

>>96283927
You can't sprint without your opponent's permission, you may as well say the demolisher has precision ammo while we're at it.

>>96284494
Sprinting is just about as standard as Charge, TAC, Careful Stand, Walking Backwards Over Elevation and every other standard "Optional" rule most groups use. But by all means, actually read the other reply that doesn't use that. The only real difference is it opens you up to a backshot on 10's instead of 11's if you have to run away that's a little riskier.

>>96275622 (OP)
Here we go, first battletech minis. The timber wolf is cool and the urbanmechs are just goofy

>>96284717
A little early for Australian posting hours. What are you going to paint them like?

>>96284717
Urbanmechs are a joke, you're not actually meant to play with them.

>>96284724
>little early for Australian posting hours
Well hell it corrected in my gallery lol
I think I'll go with blue purple and green

>>96284731
>Urbanmechs are Liao mechs, you're not actually meant to play with them.
ftfy

>>96283927
You charge (you cannot sprint and charge as charging is an attack) 7 hexes plus the targets hex. The target needs to have moved first. For the optimal charge you first have to enter 8 hexes, allowing the Demolisher a clear shot at you. You then have to win initiative and let it move first, if it reverses outside of 7+1 hexes then you have to start all over again, if it doesn't then 'grats, you get to charge. It gets 2 shots hitting on 7's at worst.
Alternatively you may choose to run up to it, that means you can get closer and potentially only have one turn under its guns before you get to kick it. If you survive.

>>96284744
Buddy, I've been the one saying charging is stupid. You sprint on top of the tank so it can't shoot you (tank can't target at range 0 but you can kick at range 0). Then if you get initiative, you can walk its maximum flank speed so it's a nice 6 with no chance of it hitting back to give it the old Kurita Karate. If you lose initiative, then you can sprint away with it needing 11's to hit you in the back.

>>96284771
>>96284744
I think it's very fitting that the mathematical endgame for this scenario is a mech sitting on top of a tank and giving it indian rugburns and wet willies until it dies.

>>96284833
As is the honorabr regacy of the Charger.

>>96276555
Used to be more of a blast weapon like a lightning strike killing everyone near the tree it hits - killing ten people per shot, blowing apart light building with a single shot, etc. None of this Catalyst rubbish "it only makes a small hole" rubbish.

I blame that Mechwarrior game film where the Loki shoots a single man with the PPC and steps on one other - some Catalyst nerd took that clip to heart and changed the rules of the original game so PPCs and stomping only killed one a two infantry at a time, the wankers. Mechs used to be able to massacre infantry, making games against regiments of them fun. Now you have to pick them off one at time, like you are firing Sabot rounds at them, so infantry stomping isnt popular anymore and everyone is encouraged to buy mech models instead.

>>96276555
>Are they standing in a straight fucking line?
Probably, if you go by the rules that a platoon of 28 infantry is usually deployed into a single 30 metre hex.

>>96282537
The charger is about 160 years outdated compared to a demolisher.

>>96285219
>Something developed in the 1st Succession War
>More advanced
LMAO!

>>96280176
I agree - a lot of the advanced tech is stuff we have today (or have better versions of) and could easily be dropped to the introductory level - mech mortars, thunderbolt missiles (large ATGMs), extended range LRMS, Arrow artillery, etc.

They also need to sort out some of the retarded rules, like BR rating and rifled cannons. Why the fuck does the gun of a modern Abram firing a sabot round do almost fuck all to battlemech armour, while a machinegun does? Even infantry Assault Rifles have more of an effect than a light rifled cannon. Why can't they make the ammo for rifled cannons out of the same magical material they use for MGs, SRMs and infantry weapons? Also, what's with the stupid weights for the ammo and the lack of choice (HE, smoke, frag, etc) for them?

>>96280254
There are crippling rules in the Mechwarrrior RPG.

I haven't played table top yet and want to know which rules system would be better to start off with myself and friends who don't have any experience. Standard rules or alpha strike rules?

>>96285314
Literal Battletech is the main game. Alpha Strike is a fringe weirdness like Battlespace or Battletroops.

>>96285314
alpha strike is dumb & lame

CBT homolust enjoyer

>>96285238
For tanks, yes. There was no reason to update tank technology before then because there was no shortage of mechs. Tanks are the desperate last gamble of someone too poor to afford mechs. You need 3 Schreks just to stand on even footing with a single Awesome, and in the lore it’s even worse for tanks.

>>96285287
>Why the fuck does the gun of a modern Abram firing a sabot round do almost fuck all to battlemech armour, while a machinegun does?
Because it's a future machine gun vs an ancient cannon. Might as well be firing a cannonball at the mech.

>>96284771
>>96284833
>Demolisher has a friend, as does Charger.
>Demolisher twins sit next to each other
>Chargers run up, taking fire on the way in as there's almost no maps with 10 straight hexes and no terrain
>Chargers get under their target tanks guns!
>Demolishers proceed to scratch each others backs

>>96285554
>B-but what if we had more units?
Don't break the original scenario. Otherwise, there's no reason you couldn't have nuclear artillery offboard and warships in orbit.

>>96285627
>Otherwise, there's no reason you couldn't have nuclear artillery offboard and warships in orbit.
Imagine not having two demolishers fighting two chargers on the hull of a warship. They make magnetic treads right?

>>96285529
>it's a future machine gun
>Fires rounds that might be literally hand made by Periphery Hillbillies

In actual BattleTech news, group did Instant Action again... And everyone chose Hold...
Luckily King of the Hill is fairly well made, so despite my usual instinct to fold I may or may not have won.

Im a single player are there any kind of campaigns or something along those lines i can run on my own or am i doomed to pich myself against myself/the bot

>>96285823
>Fires rounds that might be literally hand made by Periphery Hillbillies
Those 'periphery hillbillies' could easily take over modern earth with a token military force

>>96285823
Modern hillbillies have tools that only the most well-equipped bespoke shop with connections to known innovators would have had 100 years ago. Those space hillbillies are using self-levelling, myomer actuated ammo presses and laser-lathes to make their ammo.

>>96286059
WANK!!!

>>96286061
>Those space hillbillies are using self-levelling, myomer actuated ammo presses and laser-lathes to make their ammo.
And yet GOD FORBID they make a Compact Fusion Engine despite it being a proven technology for at least 500 years!

Bro how do I clean the mold lines on these plastic Mechs? My tools and techniques that work on hard plastic aren't working well AHHHHH

Can I even use Tamiya liquid cement with this stuff??

>>96286164
I've always just scraped them off with a razor then buffed it with my fingernail & you can't tell anything was ever there especially after paint

>>96286072
there are some things you just don't mess with if you don't got the know-how

The year is 3025 and you are the head of engineering corps over at glorious Capellan Confederation Armed Forces. The Chancellor himself has deigned it fitting task for you to prove the superiority of Capellan technological sector as prime innovator in the galaxy: Revamp Shadow Hawk until it can stand equally useful among Griffin and Wolverine.
The Chancellor knows you will be prudent in this endeavor and use resources of the Confederation wisely, as is tradition.

>>96286532
Make it not!Gladiator?

>>96286532
Swap the auto cannon and medium laser with PPC's

>>96286489
This isn't dirty fission, it's taking Fusion, a technology so proven this universe had it cracked a decade or so ago, and shrinking that to fit on a Vehicle.

>>96286532
- AC5
- 1t ammo
+ blazer
- LRM 5
- SRM 2
- 2t ammo
+ 5x flamer

>>96286765
Probably better off with a couple extra heat sinks. It'll build heat no matter what, but it can at least not immediately take penalties to movement and shooting.

>>96286797
I hate Cappies.

Banshee.

>>96276961
Princess has the upper hand in that match.

>>96282010
Hilarious. I'll field it in megamek later tonight.

>>96286489
You know, I actually have one of those old school fire alarms for the radiation lab at work? The source looks like a little steel coffin with vents and a hazard symbol stamped on it. I fucking kid you not. Now it's all these shitty optical sensor ones.

>>96287014
You might not be able to attach the pulse module. They changed the rules on that. I hope you have fun, though.

>>96285801
>Demolishers don't have environmental sealing.
Another Charger victory!

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>>96287585
Translation: Monday's game will be a Solaris themed 2v2 brawl, where we can swap out between two mechs of up to 2500 BV by reaching the map edge. Any tech, any weight class. Someone is producing a list of power ups. I've suggested the endo-steel chair (a club you don't have to waste a turn picking up)

>>96287585
God, I love arena mech combat.

>>96287596
GIVE HIM THE CHAIR!

>>96286622
>SHD-2K
>Originally a First Succession War field refit developed by the Draconis Combine in 2803 as the enraged Federated Suns pushed the Kurita troops back, the 2K Shadow Hawk dramatically overhauls the chassis by replacing all original armaments, save the LRM-5, with a Donal PPC in place of the AC/5 and five extra single heat sinks. Though initially introduced to compensate for a lack of autocannon parts and ammunition, the improvement in long range firepower ensured refits continued, with the 2K becoming one of the deadliest units of the Succession Wars[16] despite many Lyran opponents' opinion of it as a "Griffin knockoff."[2][11][25] BV (1.0) = 1,018; BV (2.0) = 1,147[25][26]

>>96287666
I dunno, if I was them I'd rather went with a LL and larger LRM

>>96287943
That's more of a FWL kind of change.

Why do IS LRMs feel more like a liability?

>>96288273
Because you have yet to learn the joys of indirect fire and hot-loading.

>>96288273
>>96288282
And Clan LRMs are fucking broken!

>>96287554
Environmental sealing only applies to support vehicles. Combat vehicles are sealed by default.

>>96288447
>>96285801
The actual problem is that the demolisher uses an ICE engine.

>>96288447
CVs are only sealed against NBC type shit, they still need environmental sealing for vacuum and underwater operation. Look up combat vehicle chassis modifications in TacOps.

watched some Westworld and fiddled with paint markers.

>>96286888
Nice work

>>96277076
SRM Carrier. No way am I spending the next hour rolling on the location chart, marking off the damage for up to sixty individual SRM hits. At least the hetzer is just one roll. Had some fucker deploy an entire lance of them once, I spent the entire game picking them off at 10+ hex range just so we could finish the game that day.

>>96289165
Would it not be better to have a computer doing the calculations and bookkeeping for you then?

What is everyone's overall opinion about Clan Wolf having become the rulers of the inner sphere and forming the new and improved superior true awesome absolutely radical and undefeatable star league version 3?

>>96280046
Succession Wars was the original game era - the later eras where added as a way to introduce additional powercreeped mechs and weapons, invalidating the old models and making 'up to date' players buy successive ranges of new and overpowered models. Sort of following the Games Workshop marketing model, but not as extreme, as they made the new superpowered designs compatible with the old by (mostly) keeping to the original game rules. You can play most games with the introductory level SW mechs, but you will need to either have more of them, or agree to the use of special tactics (ambush, chokepoints, environmental) and terrain advantages (choke points, minefields, cover) to match the power of the mechs from later eras.

>>96289195
I have gotten drunk and written better metaplot on a napkin that has my actual cum on it

>>96289195
Another link in a chain of horrible plot points, I am not surprised and I have zero investment in the plot that far in the future.
Anything directly tied to dark age is basically unsalvageable, there's no way to make the overarching story good as long as it's a direct descendant of the main timeline after jihad at the latest.
You could at least maybe make an interesting story if it splits off from the jihad instead. But dark age and beyond is just too stupid and poorly written to use as a foundation.

>>96286061
So why don't they make rifled cannon ammo (which is discarding sabot, HESH, Heap etc, not fucking cannonballs) out of the same stuff as they make the (according to you) magic machinegun bullets from? This -3 damage from all rifled guns because it is so low tech is retarded, made only from some clueless game designer bending over backwards to not invalidate the introtech autocannons.

>>96289202
Don't basically all SW era mechs have upgraded variants that keep them relevant though?

>>96289249
Bro just go play team Yankee if you want to use T-72s or whatever it is you want

>>96289257
what he wants it to go "look, I broke this setting" to all his boys on sufficientautism.net and get somebody from the outside to acknowledge that he did and therefor won, so that they will all nut on a powerscaling calc spreadsheet that he can keep as proof that he is very smart

>>96289202
>invalidating the old models and making 'up to date' players buy successive ranges of new and overpowered models
What a load of shit.

>>96289249
BECAUSE SHUT UP!
FUTURE TECHNOLOGY IS MAGIC BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND BASIC PHYSICS!1!!!2!

>>96289315
It's why I gave up on 40k, my whole chaos space marine collection has been pretty much invalidated by everything getting the primaries treatment. Plus there's zero customization now and that was the biggest draw for me anyway.
>>96289314
As a /k/ autistic I can understand wanting everything to make sense in a realistic manner as far as weaponry is concerned but this is a game about fucking giant robots it's better just to keep it that way

>>96289249
Rifles can't use AC-grade ammunition.
Sort of like how you don't fire 120mm APFSDS out of a 15th century bombard, if you can understand that.

>>96289320
Zero sense in getting upset about It when the source material pulls bullshit like "myomer fibers" & "foamed aluminum". End of the day is sci-fi nonsense with zero plausibility

>>96289251
Yes. That guy is high off sniffing multiple gobs of hyperbole.

>>96289331
>It's why I gave up on 40k
That's a cool story. I use lead Ral Partha minis in ilClan games because the mechs still have good variants being produced.

>>96289331
Thing is you can still keep things realistic while not wanking off the giant robots.
So what if a modern Tank Cannon is an AC/5 that only fires every third turn?
That's still only a killer of the lightest of Mechs and Combat Vees.

>>96289338
>the source material pulls bullshit like "myomer fibers" & "foamed aluminum"
That's not complete bullshit though, they're still theoretical possibilities.
Hell, we technically have both those things!

>>96289343
That's the appeal towards battletech for me, atleast the rules are consistent & you can have yourdudes without dumping a mortgage payment into plastic crack regularly

>>96289349
I certainly appreciate a game more focused on being a GAME than selling toys, especially when the "gaming" companies are so shit at selling toys...

>>96289356
There's tons of manbun & overweight basedboys lapping up every shitty GW release lmao atleast with BT I can buy a 60 dollar box & get the whole complicated experience out of it whilst being able to store everything nicely in said box. The minis are pretty fuckin deadly too

>>96289338
>it's all sci-fi nonsense
>uses one thing we have similar technology to and one thing that literally exists in real life as examples

>>96289366
Yeah I stand corrected on the foamed aluminum although I doubt it's choice as a mech building material to be a wise one. Maybe that accounts for all those critical I get fucked with as soon as my armor is gone??

>>96289346
Isn't the whole setting built around wanking off to giant robots though?

>>96289371
Metal foam has a number of applications in real life military vehicles.

>>96289400
I'm sure it's necessary to stop my precious mech from sinking up to it's tits in mud from its enormous ground pressure.

Give me your best hot new idea for a bandit kingdom that isn't just a duplicate of an existing one

>>96289415
A Mongolian styled band, hellbent on raiding the outer reaches of house Liao space, where they frequently make planet fall specifically for their bandit king to spread his genetics across as many of the females as possible. Their obsession with eugenics & creating as many heirs as possible for their king is their primary drive & they often kidnap all of the women from backwater mining posts etc. that they invade, bringing them back to whatever world they've holed up on

>>96289409
>enormous ground pressure
This is a dead giveaway someone's a mudcorefag that doesn't actually know realism, but has heard some things before. You just have to give the mechs wide footprints, and they usually do. You don't need to be wider than you are tall to not immediately fall into the center of the earth.

Especially since tanks and wheeled vehicles famously have a hard time on muddy ground anyway. Turns out nothing is any good at driving through the la brea tar pits.

>>96289415
Tonton Macoutes in space. Mechs painted with crazy voodoo symbols all over and like that.

>>96284571
Charging and TACs are not optional rules. Out of curiosity, did you start with the BMM or TW as your first full ruleset?

>>96289785
Full body TAC's (ie not just the CT) are optional and obviously what I was referring to. It feels like charging used to be optional I wanna say under like 3rd print TacOps with all the other extended physical stuff like pushing and tripping. I looked at the BMM and it says charging is standard now. I don't really keep track of what's bog standard, just like I don't keep track of what years stuff goes from experimental to advanced which matters for people who care about what's tourney legal. I know what my group plays with.

>>96289820
That rule is referred to as floating TACs, for your future knowledge.

>>96289843
Thanks for the refresher man. My brain isn't all there this weekend. I've been mixing 30 proof margaritas with a handle of 80 proof whiskey, and I'm just about out of both. Game day got canceled yesterday when I was looking forward to it all week so I got started early.

Which mech do you have a model of that very rarely gets put on the tabletop? For example, If you have four Phoenix Hawks and regularly use three of them but the fourth was painted in a color scheme that was only used for a single campaign, 'Phoenix Hawk' is not the answer I'm looking for. I'm talking about mechs, not specific models, that do nothing but collect dust or show up in group photos, and never actually get fielded. Post a picture of those mechs.

>>96289883
The ones that they randomly had in every shop because of distribution but you never had a reason to use. Shogun, Mandrill, Corvis, Matador plus a couple other random Homeworlds second-liners.

>>96289883
My Shiro sees the tabletop so rarely in Battletech that it's currently serving as my Lancer mini.

>>96289902
Oh wait you requested pictures. Its here in the foreground, about to get half the map with its thermobaric flamethrower

>>96289914
How do you guys do levels with your heroscape? The stuff that looks like it's two levels is 7 pieces so it's kinda hard to divide out.

>>96289971
Well that's a picture of a Lancer game, where height works different, but historically I've double stacked all heroscape tiles and called that 1 level. Looks about right. I use hextech for Battletech, though.

>>96289978
>I use hextech for Battletech, though.
Are the systems compatible? I mean I can cludge the models if I have to, but it would be nice to just be able to print and go.

>>96289984
Hextech is intended for Battletech and is by far the best way to build a map. Grab these. https://thunderhead-studio.com/products/hextech-free-sample-pack

>>96289486
An Atlas probably has smaller ground pressure than a Behemoth tank, since the surface area of an Atlas' foot is quite large, while the tank's threads are relatively narrow.
I'm a civil engineer, and one of the things I have to often do is calculating bearing capacities for mobile cranes, which use feet ending in pads to support the weight of the crane when lifting, and in the worst case scenario when the load's center of gravity is directly over one foot the load applied on the pad can easily be the equivalent of a heavy or assault mech or more. And while sometimes you do need to increase the surface area by putting metal plates under the pads, the area needed is usually something that seems reasonably close to the footprint of a battlemech's foot (usually 2x2 m or 2x3 m plates are enough). Obviously it's going to be different if you want to park your crane/mech in the middle of a swamp or a muddy field, but conventional wheeled and tracked vehicles struggle in those conditions as well.

Obviously all that only really applies to a situation where the mech is standing still, since if it would actually be running across the field you'd have to account for dynamic loading, but since cranes don't normally do that I don't actually know how it would affect the results. On the other hand, mechs would have far higher tolerances than cranes, because if the crane tilts by even a few degrees it risks toppling or smashing the load into the side of a building, while for a running mech the ground slightly giving under its foot shouldn't matter much since it its next step would already move it out from the spot and the neurohelmet should correct for slight changes in center of gravity (just like you don't immediately fall over when running on soft ground even if your feet do sink slightly into it).

>>96290186
Don't forget that the depth of the mud matters a lot too. Mech legs are long and mud is usually not 15ft deep. They'll hit hard ground or bedrock in most places before they're knee deep except in certain swamps and lowlands while a tank will be spinning in 3ft deep mud.

>>96289820
>It feels like charging used to be optional I wanna say under like 3rd print TacOps with all the other extended physical stuff like pushing and tripping.
Just as an FYI, charging and pushing have been part of the base game, largely unchanged, since BattleDroids. Tripping is a relatively recent optional rule, and there is also an optional variation for calculating charge damage which might be what you were thinking of.

>>96290186
Interesting. Although as to tanks, while the treads are narrower they're also a lot longer and the tank's weight is spread over a wider area than a Mech, especially a humanoid one.

>>96290186
Some of the heaviest mobile earthmoving equipment in the world used walking locomotion instead of treads.

>>96288447
Tell that to the Hetzer variant which is specifically upgraded by being sealed.
Nothing is sealed by default.

>>96288797
Go fucking kill yourself, faggot.

>>96289249
Why don't they just make HESH cannonballs and keep using the USS Constitution's 24 pounders? Where's the APFSDS black powder cannonballs? Surely they can just apply the new technology to the old guns! It would be so easy and simple and then you wouldn't need to make complicated barrels with shrouds and bore evacuators and any old cast iron shop could churn them out. I'm so smart.

>Longbow, Rifleman, Blackjack
any lights eligible to join gun-arm gang or should I add another medium?

>>96290667
:3c

>>96291083
Locust, Flea, probably some clanmechs, Urbanmech and Ĝùň if you don't mind asymmetry.

>>96289365
>The minis are pretty fuckin deadly too
Eh, I'll give the hobbyist the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their claims that the minis are of "inferior" quality; ideally Catalyst would focus on what's easy for them as a publishing company, so game adjacent materials like books and maps.
Premium shit like neoprene mats are going to be way easier for them to deliver on than yet another minor Marauder re-sculpt, as the latter is just going to invite the same predatory release scheme as GW.

>>96289399
>Isn't the whole setting built around wanking off to giant robots though?
I mean it IS mastabatory, but you don't want to be a complete wanker about it.

>>96290186
>On the other hand, mechs would have far higher tolerances than cranes, because if the crane tilts by even a few degrees it risks toppling or smashing the load into the side of a building, while for a running mech the ground slightly giving under its foot shouldn't matter much since it its next step would already move it out from the spot and the neurohelmet should correct for slight changes in center of gravity (just like you don't immediately fall over when running on soft ground even if your feet do sink slightly into it).
As an amateur biomechanist, I believe this actually works in the Mechs favor; Bipedal movement gets a lot of its energy efficiency by basically being a "controlled fall".

>>96291083
>>96291134
Also the Jenner!

>>96289914
Is that a Longwang standing in as a size 2 mech?

Who's /btg/'s go-to guy for stls?

>>96291083
Raptor, most other lights with the chicken walker thing going. The Hornet looks like what would eject from a Jagermech if it had full head ejection.

>>96291617
SirMortimerBombito

>>96291681
Morty makes some good shit and has a very unique art style, I love the majority of his designs. I hope he takes a crack at the Berserker soon.

>>96285200
>mechs used to massacre infantry
Yeah and it sucked, flamers and machine guns EXIST FOR A REASON. And flechette ammo for Autocannons (seriously try AC/2's against infantry in woods it's absolutely horrifying).

>>96291702
His main draw for me is putting the japtech designs into 3d.

Are lasers in BT just instantenous flashes of light, or more like continuous beams, or Star Wars' like pew-pews?

>>96289249
>the designers fucking over Rifles by the flat -3 damage
I will never forgive them for that. It's absolutely arbitrary and bullshit. Now if there were a "Improved Rifle Ammunition" that generates more heat LR/3Heat MR/5Heat HR/7Heat with a -1 modifier (high velocity means easier to hit) turns Rifles into a side grade.

>>96289415
Native American refugees that are Commanches/Lakota on crack.
>wot happened
Fat Gengis Khan genocided them because he didn't want to pay for the reservations anymore.

>>96291739
The way they're described in fluff they're the exact same lasers we have now just powerful enough to melt armor of the time. In the mechwarrior games they seem to reflect that, mech assault they acted like beams that traveled like Star wars blaster bolts.

>>96291739
Regular lasers are continuous beam, pulse lasers are pew pew. PPCs are a single flash that looks like lightning but is actually a particle beam.

>>96291760
Whos to say there isn't an auto cannon produced that uses a rifled barrel? It's safe to assume the machine guns are all high caliber & rifled.

>>96289415
polygamist cult that uses their surplus young men as disposable troops

>>96291784
Buddy, I'm from Comanche land and there's only like 3,000 total. And those numbers are up. Also, they don't technically have a reservation, though they kinda do out by Ft Sill and Grandfield. They all got plots of land instead, but they can't sell them without tribal council approval. I 100% agree on the sentiment though. They used to be super vicious. Scalped my family and enslaved the children back in the day. I'd say they're one of the most integrated tribes these days, mostly because they live out in the real world and not on reservations. They still put on a great powow in Walters every year.

You'd be better off going with a bigger tribe like the Sue or the Apache.

>>96291810
We already have the MoC.

>>96291739
Continuous beams, the MW4 "instant dump" was honestly broken as fuck. MW5 is the best depiction of Battletech weapons period, with burst fire/rapid fire/single shot autocannons, SRM's and LRM burst/stream, rifles and chemical lasers (seriously LChemLasers are fucking busted) and soon with the SoK DLC we get even more options with Clan weapons and Inferno SRM's HotLoaded LRM's and Single Shot UAC's. We eating good bros.

>>96291797
>smoothbore autocannons
It would explain their longevity and the AP's accuracy being shit with Precision Ammo being a thing.
>UAC
>magnetic based
This is unbelievably stupid.

>>96291821
They don't have to be "pure" Comanche or any other tribe, just the mentality of "all outsiders will kill us eventually and therefore we need to rape/rob/kill them first". They essentially have the mindset of modern liberals, that your opponent is "oppressing" them by their very existence and therefore you can do anything you want against them.

>>96291883
Ironically, you want some of the crazy thinbloods, then. The "I'm 1/1000 bullshit and you owe me stuff." That could actually be a great plot point. Reminds me of the time I saw a 6'4" blonde blue-eyed dude in a Baton Rouge Walmart whip out his Choctaw Nation card.

>>96291928
>Reminds me of the time I saw a 6'4" blonde blue-eyed dude in a Baton Rouge Walmart whip out his Choctaw Nation card.
Dude must've had crazy firewater resistance.

>>96291978
You need to in Louisiana. They sell it in Walmart there.

>>96291928
I've seen this too, with Potawaname and Sac tribesmembers that are 1:64th blooded and getting $4000 a month and still bitching.

>>96291991
>Louisiana
That state is legit nuts, they sell vodka mixers in fucking FAST FOOD joints.

>>96292007
How are the open container laws though?

>>96292035
nonexistant

>>96292051
https://legis.la.gov/legis/Law.aspx?d=410591
Unenforced isn't the same as not on the books.

>>96292035
Motherfuckers will legit have colored tape to "reseal" the drinks if they get pulled over, you can legit get a DUI but not open container.

>>96292035
As a general rule. the police, especially from little towns and on the highways are vicious. They gut entire departments on the regular for writing illegal tickets. There's a reason everyone follows the speed limit. I had a guy smile and write me a $300 ticket just outside Welsh about ten years ago for a taillight that wasn't even out.

Louisiana is like a 1930's version of America, in all the good and bad ways.

It can be hilarious too, like the state senator who straight up clocked a reporter who asked about him fucking his secretary. Did it right in the middle of a hotel lobby on Canal Street. His defense was "I don't remember doing that." Dude got off scott-free too.

>>96292068
fair, I should have said "in practical terms, nonexistent"

>>96292085
Sounds like a real shithole. Why is it that the closer you get to ocean, the shittier states become?

>>96292108
The people are awesome. The nature is awesome. The food is awesome. But the government is fucking 3rd World and the cost of living is rough. My food bills went to 30% of what I was paying before when I moved to Texas.

>>96292007
Living there for ten years legit made me an alcoholic. The old lady secretary at my old job would actually put brandy in my coffee in the winter because "I looked cold".

So, BATTLETECH. What's a cocktail you can think of for a particular faction that isn't actually shit to drink like the Steiner PPC?

>>96292108
Nah it's actually based, compared to "modern" states where the reporter would have never asked that question and the police only exist to stop Whites.

>>96292188
I just drink Taurian Tea.
>Cognac
>Lemon Lime soda (Sprite)
>lemon juice

>>96292188
I feel like jaegertee would be a better official steiner cocktail

>>96292188
>battletech mixed drinks
WHAT. THE. FUCK.

>>96292225
Not bad. I feel like it could use a cherry or a lime slice.

>>96292236
Goes back to 1985, bro. The State PPC's have been a meme since the Warrior Trilogy.

>>96292188
Sidecar seems like a canopian kind of drink to me.

>>96292247
Be careful, you won't taste the alcohol at all and it's VERY easy to go overboard on, you'll legit drink a bottle of Hennessy and wake up the next morning feeling like absolute shit.

>>96292261
Battletech humans must have genetic engineering to drink that without getting instant alcohol poisoning.

>>96291883
Tribal casino handouts are probably the reason why percentiles became a meme.

>>96292280
Canopian drinks are all laced with anti androgens and e, at no additional charge.

>>96292312
I wish i was young like you again

>>96292506
This. I can drink a fifth straight and still need more.

>>96292225

For me, it's Nova-5 for in a hot day, named after the quick firing and hard-hitting General Motors UAC/5 autocannon.
>1 part gin
>1 parts simple syrup
>1/2 part fresh lemon juice
>mix all above with ice in a shaker, strain into a tall glass
>top with 3 parts dry champagne
>garnish with lemon slice

Replace the gin with cognac for an Imperator-5 instead.
It's a French 75, also named after the gun, and it's a fantastic cocktail

>>96292543
try making one with calvados some time, it's fantastic

>>96292543
Holy shit that sounds amazing. I literally just came back after mowing, and now I want it

>>96292506
I'm 36, if I drink too much now I throw up if I drink fucking water the next morning.

>>96292543
Gin for me only gets that nice flower flavor when like 1/4 of the drink. Juniper tastes like Pinesol otherwise. This seems to follow the rule at least. I'll say Monkey Sunrise is a favorite. Orange is a great try over lemon or lime in the right proportion.

>>96292543
That sounds refreshing as fuck.

What if the solution to shadowhawk crisis is mounting second AC5 on it?

>>96279413
Phoenix Hawk IIC
The clans took a medium jumpy boi and transformed it into a big-ass jumpy hulking man

>>96292726
Drop the engine, add a SRM 6 and more armor.
>but that's a Wolv-
Yeah.

>>96291862
Pretty sure most modern tank barrels are smoothbore and rely on the ammunition being fin stabilized for accuracy

>>96292843
Yeah. But Battletech calls them Rifles. But again it's just FASA not knowing what words mean.

>>96292726
what do we remove to fit the second AC5? the first AC5?

>>96292188
btw, what the fudge is the white lightning? is that a real thing?

>>96293259
moonshine, you clown. triple distilled clear grain alcohol that's only about 1 step above being literal paint stripper.

>>96292188
>Cocktail
I just tonic water if I'm ordering a mixed drink, I guess vodka tonic would be popular in Tikonov, but usually it's quicker and easier to just drink from the bottle if I'm at home.

>>96291862
>>UAC
>>magnetic based
MAGNETS ARE BASICALLY MAGIC!!!1!!2!!#!

>>96291883
>They essentially have the mindset of modern liberals, that your opponent is "oppressing" them by their very existence and therefore you can do anything you want against them.
>MUH CANCEL CULTURE1@3!

>>96293494
if the shell has the opposite polarity of the gun the bullets would shoot out faster

>>96293528
ELECTROMAGNETIC PROJECTILE PROPULSION?!?!
ARE YOU A WIZARD?!?!?!?!?!?1!!!2!

>>96293539
if you shoot a laser through a fan it becomes a pulse laser, because the laser hits the fan too

>>96293550
BURN THE WITCH!!!

>>96293550
We lost so much during the successor wars. Losing box fan technology was among the greatest tragedies.

How much 2025's mundane everyday techs become lostechs by 3025? I know they don't have a smartphone and internet, and what else will we miss if we gets dropped in 3025?

>>96293823
>How much 2025's mundane everyday techs become lostechs by 3025?
Everything that can't be found in a trailer park in Arkansas.

blerrfg

>>96291760
if there's one thing battletech needs it's more pointless fucking sidegrades, sure thing man

nngggghff

>>96294576
Dig it.
But I do have a thing for red stripes on white

>>96294580
she's getting there.

I did a tamiya gunmetal base, laid in the colours with paint markers (gray->white & gray->white->red). Then highlighted the white with tamiya white, and then the red with liquitex naphthol crimson and then AK flouro orange. Then on the white I used AK enamel dark wash on the greeblies. really liking how easy / quick it is to use the paint markers & picrel. Everything is like, 1 easy coat over the previous layer

and the paint markers were really inexpensive

Grandpas K have a question. Back in the day when the Clan was first introduced yo the setting, have the devs kept their identity secret for a while and made the fans speculate? Or 'oh they're Kerensky's SLDF descendants~' known from day 1?

>>96294730
They were introduced in the novels (Blood of Kerensky Trilogy) which pretty much tell you that from the get-go.

>>96288797
please god learn how to paint its not even hard

>>96294913
Nah it looks okay if you're going for that cartoony outside of the lines kinda style it seems to evoke. Not the worst paint job I've seen on here and it's good enough for the table top

>>96294913
:v

>>96293823
Remember that Battletech is the future of 1985, not 2025.

>>96293823
Noteputers, basically a laptop-smart phone, which can do everything our smart phones do, is stated to be something every random dude has in his back pocket, at least as long as the planet hasn't totally decivilized.

>>96294998
>good enough for the table top
Not acceptable. If you're going to play with your buddies in a basement, you can paint whatever, and it's up to them to deal with it. But if you're going to post your minis on the internet, your inflicting them on everyone else. That means you'd better have award winning paint jobs. If you can't paint to that standard, or at LEAST a 9.0/10 on CMON, then you don't get to post minis at all. Don't waste everyone's time by sharing your shit tier paint jobs.

>>96295179
The biggest difference is now we would have the sense to make our mechs remotely operated
>>96295243
Nah fuck off with that nonsense unless you're gonna start posting shit like that otherwise this general is just gonna straight up die
>>96295045
See from that perspective they look great and that's what they're gonna look like on the board.

>>96295243
Post mechs

>>96295329
>we would have the sense to make our mechs remotely operated
Yes, control your mechs remotely. It's perfectly safe, connection problems were invented by comcast to sell more internet.

>>96295351
Are these really the sculpts you guys were stuck with until CGL got involved because that is just derpy as fuck

>>96295442
Yes.

Unironically no idea how iwm still has business between their price/quality and advent of cheap cgl plastics and 3d printing.

>>96295588
There are real tangible benefits to being the official license holder.

Why is cgl allergic to making models that actually fit on their hexbase?
Played a king of the hill objective game over the weekend and getting 4 units to actually all stand next to one another was really really annoying

>>96294360
>noooooo I NEED overpowered weapons and double heatsinks to win!!!!
Faggot.

>>96295588
>>96295938

>>96295358
DroneMechs are a thing post-Clan Invasion, though they don't really see widespread use until the Jihad or thereabouts. Supposedly they still can't move as well as a BattleMech connected to the nervous system of a real human, though, but I'm not sure if it's reflected in the rules. Most are quads and the few bipeds are usually shown garrisoning bases and urban areas in the fluff, which fits with them working best in a man-made environment with floorplans that can be easily fed into a computer.

>>96296190
>e nervous system of a real human, though, but I'm not sure if it's reflected in the rules
Pretty sure drones are locked to pilot skill 8, so they basically need to be quads just to avoid falling over.