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>Thread Question:
How do you deal with languages in your games? How often does the language merit/linguistics ability comes up in your games? And should all Tremere know Latin?

How do I lure hedgefag into sight? By playing a flute in the woods? Will he emerge like a deer?

>>96276563
>How do I lure hedgefag into sight?
Presence 4

>>96276560 (OP)
>How do you deal with languages in your games? How often does the language merit/linguistics ability comes up in your games? And should all Tremere know Latin?
Unless one of my players has a backstory mthat atters or the chronicle focuses on it, not much outside of classic "this is too ancient/foreign for you to read" mystery plot.
Yes, all Tremere plus any Mage worth its magic should know Latin. It is a classic for a reason and I might even relax Paradox a tad if they use Latin.
>>96276563
Play a Changeling and ask hedgefags fursuit yourself.

>>96276560 (OP) (OP)
>How do you deal with languages in your games? How often does the language merit/linguistics ability comes up in your games? And should all Tremere know Latin?
Unless one of my players has a backstory mthat atters or the chronicle focuses on it, not much outside of classic "this is too ancient/foreign for you to read" mystery plot.
Yes, all Tremere plus any Mage worth its magic should know Latin. It is a classic for a reason and I might even relax Paradox a tad if they use Latin.
>>96276563
Play a Changeling and ask hedgefags fursuit yourself. Literally.

>>96276560 (OP)
>How do you deal with languages in your games?
Normally. I'd prefer to see some Calligraphy if you took Asian languages, but it's not strictly necessary (your standing among the properly literate will suffer whenever your deficiency is revealed).
>How often does the language merit/linguistics ability comes up in your games?
Depends on location. Could be almost never in Britain or US games, unless you're playing a Tremere, or dealing with an ethnic gang (and then Torture or Interrogation should suffice) or outright essential if I run Mediterranean campaign or some other linguistic melting pot setting.
>And should all Tremere know Latin?
Naturally, though exceptions can exist. If you plan to have any dots in Thaumaturgy or Medicine I'd prefer to see Latin or Greek on your sheet, though. if you plan to dabble in alternative sorceries that weren't adapted into the Thaumaturgy proper corresponding ancient tongues and Culture, Hearth Wisdom or Theology Knowledge are also necessary.
You might be able to learn and cast a ritual without all that if you really want or plot depends on it, but there'd be a hefty experience and difficulty tax.

>>96276560 (OP)
>>Thread Question:
>How do you deal with languages in your games?
I assume every PC knows their mother language + any language relevant to their backstory + the language used to communicate during the chronicle.
>How often does the language merit/linguistics ability comes up in your games?
Never used the language merit, I actively discourage players from wasting points in it unless it's relevant to the chronicle (i.e. all PCs are american/european and the chronicle takes place in the Middle East).
Linguistics on the other hand is something I like to make players roll when reading ancient texts, attempting to decipher certain codes or secret messages, or when trying to communicate with NPCs who don't speak their language.
>And should all Tremere know Latin?
Yes and so should most Mages.

>awakens with Alchemy 6
>zero dots in Matter afterwards
lol

>>96276697
revised in a nutshell

>>96276560 (OP)
The language merit is only ever used for its dice desu. The ST did try adding a languages skill that gave languages at a better ratio, but only half the coterie took it.
Academics 1 is also implied to give you a grasp of one of the old sciency languages, which the ST rolled with.
Everything else, a mix of enigma or empathy lets you get a general grasp of what the guy is saying, but beyond that you need to buy the language or find an interpreter.

>>96277264
What version of the game were you playing?

>>96276560 (OP)
>How do you deal with languages in your games?
We rarely use the extra languages mostly because it requires more forethought than our table usually gives the game and the fact that a modern game will mostly just allow people to use Google translate on relevant documents and longer interrogations.

>>96276560 (OP)
Languages have been fairly relevant in some of our campaigns. We've had a few that were set locally and all characters just spoke English and maybe another language that was relevant to them, but we also had a globe-trotting Hunter the Vigil game in which all of our characters were from different countries. We eventually settled on English as our mutual language once my PC got tired of translating between the Mexican and the American. My character in particular spoke 12 languages by the end of the campaign between the Language and Multilingual merits, as well as his free native language of French.

The current game we're running is set in the medieval period, and since the PCs are from all over Europe we've once again settled on a lingua franca, this time being Latin. We all speak our native languages - Greek, Occitan, and Norse - proficiently and have at least enough Latin to get by.

>>96277512
>French
Eww

What's the straight up good guys group in Awakening? Like Salubri/Children of Osiris or Gurahl

>>96277563
>Salubri
>straight up good

>>96277563
Probably Silver Ladder.

>>96277588
Fuck I meant Ascension

>>96277616
Then it's very debatable. In general it's likely Progenitors.

>>96277631
>Technocracy
>Good

>>96277667
Unironically yes.
At the end of the day, Traditions are selfish assholes that'd bring a new dark age if any one of them gained power. Then the others would turn on that one enthroned tradition just as they had the technocracy before.

>>96277616
Craftmasons were the ones whose main thing was being for the people, that's what got them killed by the Syndicate.

What path/tradition does she belong to?

>>96277812
>she

>>96277773
The Guild provided financial support at best, Craftmasons were purged by batshit religious zealots (Cabal) and career criminal murderhobos (Ksirafai). Both of which eventually defected, but not before having a little civil war of their own.

Good part of the blame is on the Craftmasons themselves, as they grew even more elitist and conspicuous than traditions, and despite being the youngest of proto-technomancers relentlessly and obnoxiously tried to rewrite history to be be all end all of the proto-technocrats even before that.

>>96277829
TRANSPHOBIC MOVIE

>>96277812
Hollow Ones
>That’s the Hollow Ones in a nutshell: people who want to sit around feeling superior to everyone without doing a damned thing.

Smoking crack and summoning eldritch spirits that even the dogs are afraid of
The true path of Ascension

>>96277812
Who?

>>96277512
>current game we're running is set in the medieval period, and since the PCs are from all over Europe we've once again settled on a lingua franca, this time being Latin. We all speak our native languages - Greek, Occitan, and Norse - proficiently and have at least enough Latin to get by.
Seems reasonable. As much as chaining translations could be a fun group gimmick it would mostly just get in the way.

>>96276563
No, you need to lure him with, white, asparagus and booze while looking for German real estate.
Do NOT bring coke and cocaine as these are two of his frailties.

>>96277563
Etherites if you ignore the Mad Scientists. They legit want humanity to live in a Scientific Utopia and that's exactly what happens in one of the ''what if'' Revised scenarios. All other Traditions, except the Adepts want to lord over humanity as wizard kings (Hermetics, Euthanatos, Choristers) or want to bring humanity back to the stone age (Dreamspeakers, Verbena).

>>96277991
>bitching about gender word choice
When was this written

>>96278131
The zany boomer witch lady villain of that new horror movie ‘Weapons’ by Zach Cregger

>>96278476
2013
It's from the Syndicate Revised book.

>>96278392
Ascension literally has a spell that takes you to worlds where different paradigms take precedence.

>>96277616
Void Engineers for Technocracy
Ecstatics and Etherites are probably the least bad traditions
Don't remember enough of the other guys, but they don't really do much anyway.

I want to be a Mage who uses magic like in Yugioh

>>96278545
That's just a virtual adept with a specialized computer and your floppy drives are made out of cardboard for some reason.

>>96276563
Just post lost related stuff and he'll bite.

>>96277631
Ah yes, the guys doing Umbrella Corp shit are the good guys. You know, the guys who will happily kill a rural village for having a witch doctor healing them with acupuncture instead of getting vaxxed like good little cattle.
You've drank too much techno-rat kool-aid.

>>96277991
That's an amazing pair or paragraphs.

>>96278975
I just find it fucking funny that Progenitors are losing their mind over people using homeoptahy, while it's largely the Syndicate who's responsible for making it go global as a money making grift. If it wasn't for them it would be isolated in small rural backwater pockets.

>>96278552
They're made of paper thin electromagnetic data conductors.
>>96278545
Literally any tradition works.
>Demons trapped in the form of cards, summoned by the ancient spirit of a Pharaoh Mage
Celestial Chorus, Order of Hermes
>Mage that uses games as the foci for his magick, uses ironic execution methods to punish his enemies
Ecstatic and Euthanatos respectively
>Technomancer capable of creating immersive holograms, but still enough of a manchild to make his private combat jet in the shape of a dragon or play card games on a motorcycle
Virtual Adept and Son of Ether
>Connection to the spirits of the Earth and ancient stories manifested through card games (multiple fitting archetypes)
Verbena, Dreamspeakers
>Other anime bullshit
Akashic Brotherhood

>>96279015
The Syndicate are responsible for half the shit the other conventions hate, honestly.

What's the best way to acquire, for free, legally, the vampire interactive fictions (Night Road, etc)?
Asking for a friend, of course.

>>96277572
>btw Saulot founded us ;^)
>t. Baali
No one believes demon lies.

>>96278975
>for having a witch doctor healing them with acupuncture instead of getting vaxxed like good little cattle
Yeah, because when that witchdoctor "teaches" others to do his schizo awakened magic, it doesn't fucking work and you just have sleepers ineffectively stabbing themselves to try to cure their cancer. Awakened folk healers are grifters and bullshit peddlers only rivaled by the syndicate.

When Tremere make a Thaumaturgy ritual spell to keep outsiders out, how do they do it? Currently thinking about a spell that makes you unable to willingly go in and then makes you forget you saw anything as a field around their important building.

>>96279107
The baali don't think saulot founded them. Most would be insulted if you implied the goody-two shoes "golconda" weirdo, that got offed by tiny bloodline of neonates, was responsible for the glory of the baali hive.

>>96278552
What are you talking about?
Kaiba used a shared virtual reality machine to link together hundreds if not thousands of human minds into a psychic gestult to use their power to pierce the veil to the (Egyptian) Underworld to fight the Pharaoh again at Card games.
By that point is deck is hard light and he has through sheer force of will stopped magic from stealing his soul.

>>96279124
>Currently thinking about a spell that makes you unable to willingly go in
They already have that, it's called a "ward".
>then makes you forget you saw anything
Put down a trap that unleashed dominate 3 on anyone that gets past the ward after triggering it. I forget the name, but there's a ritual that lets you "hold" a discipline power in an object or ghoul for a one-time trigger.

>>96278545
Yugioh would be more of a Changeling thing. The cards would be chimera/lycians, but the duelists could be normal mortals(unless they're shadow-game capable, then they'd be kinain or sorcerers).

>>96277812
As I said in >>96274982 this bitch was probably a S*rcerer, not an Awakened.

>>96279126
Never said that. Never implied that.
Saulot flinging his blood into the pit is a lie concocted by the Baali, for the express purpose of ruining his reputation.

>>96279126
>>96279164
You're both wrong, saulot 100% created the baali. Whether it was a plot by his shadow to destroy the world or a plot by his psyche to create perfect warriors of faith is up for debate, but he's absolutely the one who created the baali and led them to the founding city to initiate the first baali war.

>>96279158
You’re only saying that because they could witness the magic and it’s a lot more specific in mind.

>>96279215
Are those not incredibly good reasons for it to be a sorcerer? Any mage trying the same effect would get sent to the fucking shadow-realm by paradox.

>>96279210
Wrong. My favorite ante would never do that.

>>96277294
VTM Dark Ages

>>96279072
just buy them, they are cheap

>>96276697
Daoist Nei Dan (internal alchemy) was concerned far more about what was going on in one's own body and engaged in mystic vitalist forces. So, yeah, no Matter.

>>96279112
Gee, maybe that's why Awakened are supposed to guide sleepers into their own awakening.
Just be honest with yourself here: it's not about folk medicine not working when sleepers practice it. It's about enforcing YOUR paradigm and monopolizing health. At least the other Conventions are honest about their tyrannical worldview, the least you could do is drop the mask too.

>>96279480
I could, but I am a tremendous cheapskate.

>>96279658
>The Syndicate HATES him

>>96279507
It's fun to compare and contrast eastern and western alchemy.

>>96279573
>Gee, maybe that's why Awakened are supposed to guide sleepers into their own awakening.
You mean that thing traditions don't do unless the person was already about to awaken on their own?
The thing every tradition refused to do in medieval times because it was a threat to their monopoly on power?
The thing the order of reason had to fight them to do and that the technocracy is actively doing for Everyone right now and is engineering reality so that even sleepers have power once thought to be only possible for awakened?

>>96279427
So that's why it was a merit rather than a skill.

>>96279940
Yes that thing.

>>96279124
Hidden Haven?

This ritual is said to have been developed by the Council of Twelve to hide their massive library within the Carpathian Mountains. The ritual is difficult to cast, and must target a building no bigger than a large house. Once enacted, the building becomes generally unnoticeable; even individuals who know it exists do not notice it, nor do they remember it when asked. During the ritual, the caster must specify a physical “key” (such as spinning twice in a circle, tapping one heel on the ground three times, and then saying “Vitae Incorpora”). Any individual within 100 yards/meters of the building who performs this physical key correctly will penetrate the ritual and be able to see and locate the building without difficulty.

System: The caster must surround the building, and mark all corners, doorways, and windowsills with chalk made of owl-feather ash. The ritual takes a full night to cast, and requires the caster to sacrifice a permanent point of Willpower. Those who wish to find the building without knowing the proper physical key must approach within 100 yards/meters of the structure’s location and make a successful Intelligence + Occult roll (difficulty 9) each time they wish to see through this ritual’s protection.

Hidden Haven’s effects last for one year.

>>96277667
>only mage faction that genuinely is concerned with mass ascension and improving the lives of all humanity
>evil
sure they'll kill off a bunch of RDs in the process but you can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs and besides 99% of the time the world is better off without those supernatural freaks

>>96280747
The technocracy would be easier to get behind if they could go 5 minutes without almost losing control of the consensus, getting infiltrated by nephandi, or getting into yet Another civil war between conventions(all caused by the syndicate being dumbasses somehow).

>>96280762
so many of the problems really do just come down to having the control freaks and the sexpest egomaniacs be the two groups that make the decisions

>>96280762
>>96280783
Many of WW writers hated Technocracy. They couldn't make them hated by portraying them as outright villains, so they made them incompetent as hell instead.

>>96276560 (OP)
>How often does the language merit/linguistics ability comes up in your games?
nWoD - never - everyone in the region always speaks the same language, including NPCs
Dark Age - all the time, most extreme case being group of 5 where no three characters shared common language and no two were on the same Road, so any coordinated effort required game of telephone and people were constantly trying to manipulate each other by selectively choosing which part of information to relay and which to withold. As far as I remember there were never any blatant lies between us, just plenty of things getting lost or slightly twisted in translation.

>>96280795
>so they made them incompetent as hell instead
Which only made their favorite super-special mage factions look even Worse. Not matter what the writers try to pull, at the end of the day the technocracy curb-stomped everyone else and has continued to do so for centuries.

>>96280812
I mean, throughout three editions only three mage factions were consistently obnoxiously favoured to any real degree - Nephandi, Virtual Adepts and Eutanatoi.
Some Hermetic houses and Lilithist Verbena are also assholes, but they get a reality curb check now and then.

Opinions on Werewolf 20th anniversary edition?

>>96280972
It's shit, stick to revised.
They changed a bunch of details for no reason and without forethought, so they end up breaking the lore in multiple places. For example: kinfolk and werewolves are effectively the same until first change and no one can tell the difference. No every lore bit about celebration the birth of a changer makes no sense.

how would you handle drones or robots in combat? no scifi shit, but actual stuff that the military and therefore the SI could use.

e.g. a drone with a flame thrower thats normally used for getting rid of wasp infestations and the like

how much hp should something like that have.

>>96281091
>how much hp should something like that have.
1, but it should be more challenging to hit than human-sized opponent

>>96281091
1 bruised health level, 5 dexterity, and the ability to dodge as a reflex action.

common problem when dating a lasombra

>>96281143
Getting roughed up by overenthusiastic tentacle play?

>>96281155
that's happens afterwards

>>96280783
Not like the other three would be that much better if in charge. The cyborgs would turn everyone into mindless drones, the big pharma would hook everyone up on Productivity and Compliance serum (tm), the engies would probably take everyone and fuck off into space.

>>96281091
Goal with drones is expendebility. They can be weak, but should be resistant to supernatural influence and powers, as well as be very plentiful.

>>96281259
"very plentiful" anything will usually break WoD combat in half, first things slow to crawl with all the rolls and then characters start dying because with enough attack action thrown their way someone is bound to roll that statistically unlikely sequence of 10s sooner or later. The old "two dozen ghouled housecats" trick.

I'd like to write some short stories based on this game, which books should I read to get an adequate understanding of it, and which novels are good?

>>96281091
>e.g. a drone with a flame thrower
Dumb move, actual warfare in eastern europe has proven the most effective drone combat just be strapping bombs to the damn things. They're cheap and easy to replace anyway, may as well just have them b-line to an important target with enough "Boom" to one-shot it.

>>96281308
Which game? Ignore the Mageniggers, there's a bunch.

>>96281308
>which novels are good?

>>96281306
Then use d&d/40k rules, making the number of the swarm their HP (divided by 10 if you're doing werewolves or something), with a single action representing their collective plinks.
This way, you can give them more hp than normal creatures.

>>96281323
I'm mostly interested in vampires, because that's all I know from the computer game. I know very little of the other monsters in the setting.

>>96281333
There is a lot in the mega. Surely one of them is considered good.
>checked

>>96281345
>Surely one of them is considered good.
All of it reads like bad fanfiction. hey exclusively hired "indie" writers because they didn't believe in things like "industry quality standards", even though 90's industry standards were actually pretty fucking good unlike today

>>96281355
Fucking Hell. Thanks for the head's up before I wasted space on them.

>>96281322
vs vampires a flamethrowing drone is always a valid choice because Rotschreck
gun platform ground-drone may work as a trap of sorts - camping behind corner ready to open fire on detected motion, working without operator supervision (except when repositioning)
bombs are good when you have enough pilots, material is cheaper than people, and you don't care about collateral damage
oh and when your remote piloting is not getting interfered with - a consideration for future wars will be man-portable signal jammers with decent range vs drones capable of autonomous "last mile" targeting when they lose connection to operator

>>96281374
>bombs are good when...
All of the challenges you named would make flamethower drones even worse of an option than bomb drones. You don't need drones for flame-traps either, that'd be a waste of money and materials.
Anon, just admit you want flamethower drones because you think their cool instead of trying to justify it, IRL logic doesn't work in your favor.

Bloodlines 2's going to be released on October 21.
A-are you excited, guys?

>>96281419
if nothing then it's gonna be a good trainwreck

>>96281401
Flame triggers Rotschreck, explosions do not. That's taking Vampire out of the fight in a single squirt of fuel vs dropping whole kolkhoz worth of nitrate fertilizer to dust one.

>>96281419
I'm looking forward to it. Not because I have any hope of it being good but because I want it to be over so that we can move on.

>>96281419
It looks awful. I'm not paying attention to it anymore.

>>96281456
>explosions do not
Anon has never heard of a "fire bomb". Adding just a pinch of napalm to spread with the fragmentation of the casing or filler solves all those issues.

>>96281456
Anon, your drone isn't going to carry more than one or two squirts of fuel anyway due to weight limitations on cheap drones. You unironically can more out of the lighter explosive charge than having it haul around a squirt-gun of a flamethrower.

>>96281419
I want this to crash and burn as spectacularly as possible. I want it to be so bad they fire The Entire writing team and scrap all of WoD5 to start over with another project.

>>96281345
The clanbooks are good for lore.

>>96281308
>which books should I read to get an adequate understanding of it
Book of Nod and Revelations of the Dark mother have all the noddist background lore.
The clanbooks have all the history, lies and perceptions of each clan.
The guide-to books are good references for each sect
Transilvania chronicles has a lot of important lore bits.
Otherwise, just read everything if you can.

>>96281401
>implying

>>96281524
Downloading them now.

>>96281562
Thank you. I'll read those first then go onto others.

>>96281562
>Revelations of the Dark mother
CUM PUKE

>>96281308
I liked Breathe Deeply from the werewolf side of things. Silver Crown is kind of dogshit.

Be honest with me: if you got embraced into a clan you don't like, would you shill for it anyway?
You know, like people getting into their 6th choice of college and pretending they actually love it.

>>96282093
I'd pretend to be Caitiff.

>>96282113
Grim.

>>96282093
you would have to be really unlucky for that to happen, no? like sabbat's mass embrace unlucky
I guess I would at least be happy if I don't end up in one the 0 appearance clans

>>96282229
>you would have to be really unlucky for that to happen, no?
I'd guess the average anon, if he ever got embraced, would become either a nosferat (revenge/hate embrace), malk (the voices told him to do it) or something equally shitty. That's in a Camarilla city.
Of course, with sabbat mass embrace it becomes a lottery.

>>96282258
I'd be happy even as a Samedi honestly, any kind of immortality with no human dependencies > human life

>>96279928
Mostly because of translation choices. When the closest thing to the concept is still far away from it, but you still have to use it.

>>96282315
Poor Samedi.
V20 guys should have given them necromancy.

>try reading Destiny's Price
>book is 10% Mage content and 90% Brucato showing off his knowledge of prostitutes and lack of knowledge on crime and urban culture
Why did this need to exist as a book at all? Legit one of the worst Mage books if you can even call it that.

>>96282471
>Brucato

>>96282471

>>96282471
Just started reading it out of morbid curiosity.
Where is this guy from? Because I made it to the Lexicon and it's already obvious that he's never actually had any real experience living in any dangerous neighborhood.

>>96282520
>Where is this guy from?
No idea, but he lives in Seattle if that answers your questions.

>>96281308
Guide to the Camarilla, Sabbat and Anarchs
Clanbooks. Just revised can work but if you like the clan read both clanbooks for a certain clan.
Transilvania Chronicles
By Night books, for a particular city/country you want to write in.
There are other books, of course, like Sins of the Blood which is simply great (see image.

>>96282315
>>96282358
>Poor Samedi
I roll with Samedi being just one of the two types on Nosferatu, able to pick Necromancy in-clan. The other flavour naturally being Tzimisce and Vicissitude.

>>96281308
Seconding >>96282757,
Anarch book (original one), Sabbat book (both of original ones), and Camarilla are a good overview after the core
except clanbooks are very optional and revised clanbooks are just generally shitty, except if the clan was a shitty idea to begin with, and even then revised books lack spirit of original ones. Don't ruin your experience, if you gonna read a clanbook at all start with original ones.

>>96283193
>revised clanbooks are just generally shitty

I dunno about that, I like Clanbook Ventrue Revised going into detail about their etiquette, and bizarre yet fascinating dignitas system designed to minimize the worst aspects of the clan internally and force cooperation via incentives and disincentives.

>>96283193
>revised books are just generally shitty
FIFY. For the most part.
Guide to Camarilla is... kinda good buy cause original book got cancelled, and it's the useful one of the three.
Time of Thin Blood is pretty good and useful, for thin bloods, dhampirs and the encroaching apocalypse stuff even if many people hate it for antediluvian bit.
Blood Magic is very hit and miss for many reasons, but is alright for an overview and is MUCH better than subsequent sorcery books.
Players Guide to Low/High Clans and Revised Storytellers Companion are also alright for an overview if you're running Revised Dark Ages Vampire, but otherwise original Dark Age books are better.

All other Vampire Revised books are bland and inferior or worthless, definitely not worth your money.

>>96282358
That's what I did. Thanatosis is basically just a necromancy path, it even has a weirdly similar power to a later necromancy path power.

>>96283258
While useful for someone completely ignorant, for the most part that's just generic elitist etiquette and common sense policies. Nothing of substance, as opposed to Sabbat, Tremere (which essentially the same stuff with magic, less pretentiousness and more emphasis on united front) or some Dark Age supplements.

Original Venture book is on the weaker side, granted. Probably the weakest of original clanbooks, it doesn't even have the original tone going for it.

In either case, if one's going to read the books, I strongly advice to read the originals first. Then read revised, and note what's lacking despite higher page count and what's improved, then form one's own opinion.

>>96282093
>>96282113
i'd probably go a bit further and do the pander or baali ritual

>>96283364
to this day i don't get how Thanatosis of all things is the one necromancy adjacent discipline that surrived

it's worse than most paths

>>96283672
Fell through the cracks I guess. Which is odd because in my experience, Samedi are one of the more popular cappadocian offshoots.

>>96283681
>>96283672
desu there's a big disconnect between what the writers think is popular and what actually is played on ground level. It sometimes feels like they don't even play the games they design.

>>96283662
>pander
bruh...

>baali
wtf? just be a man and be proud of being a [insert shitty clan here]

>>96283688
I imagine it would vary from table to table based on the sensibilities of the players and STs. Some might be overrun with special clans/bloodlines and others might turn their noses up at anything other than the Cam 7.

That being said, I don't see or hear of a lot of people that actually like the Anarch central playstyle that is occasionally pushed. Most of the time, I don't even include Anarchs in my city building process.

>>96283700
nta. but what if i really want to be baali?

>>96283755
Just spend soul points on investments, bro
XP is too expensive and you need Daimonion 6 for that :)

>>96283760
yeah but we talked about shitty clans so i probably won't have easy access to a way to contact demons! meanwhile baali are easy to find as you just need to look up where the brujah's latest self proclaimed utopia is

>>96283755
Why not snek? Just join the local cult.

>>96283773
or visit your local Tremere chantry!

>>96283718
the failure of the anarch is a can of worms in and of itself

>>96283783
they don't have a way to get rid of my clan weakness (although if they baali re-embrace does that depends on version)

>>96283270
>and Revised Storytellers Companion are also alright for an overview if you're running Revised Dark Ages Vampire, but otherwise original Dark Age books are better.
NB!
Non-Dark Ages Revised Storyteller Companion also exists, but for normal Revised you'd want to get Storyteller's Handbook, not Companion.

SHB is a good how-to guide, and contains Vampire FAQ and some goodies even crosover and KotE-to-Revised update, while Revised Companion is a compendium of generally useless crap.

>>96283760
>spend soul points
>Spending his own soul
New infernalists these days disappoint me.

>>96284943
i just assumed anon is a demon who gave purposefully bad advice

>>96284943
kids these days
back in my day we bargained with our road rating

>>96283662
Pander ritual? I was aware of the baali's re-embrace ritual, is this the same thing except for caitiff?

>>96285084
>we bargained with our road rating
>Baali Elders laughing in Daimoinon 6

>trading your soul in the first place
you know that you can literally just force the demon to give you shit for free? just go rummaging through some Tremere chantry since they should still have the old instruction manuals locked away somewhere

>>96285648
You gotta spend a gorillon successes and quint to properly ward the chantry against archdemons though (thanks M20 rules). That's why many take the easy way out. The middle way and Nephandi favorite would be to dupe someone into trading their soul points for powers and use those via proxy.

>>96285686
>thanks M20 rules
Just throw M20 in the garbage and stick with Revised. Brucato irrevocably poisoned M20 with his schizophrenic bullshit.

>>96285686
>m20
>not using revised for rules
but anyways I just use the devil's due rules for summoning and binding like God intended

>>96285759
>summoning and binding
That doesn't get you investments. Just servants that hate you.
The only way to get infernal powers yourself is soul transaction(not necessarily your soul) or getting infected with evil power(torment in DD's case).

>>96285162
yes, it also cuts you out from bloodline based abilities that your ancestors might know.
it's where the joseph pander might be a baali/infernalist theories come from

although if i remember correctly the v20 version was nerfed in some way

so I was reading some down to fuck and am I getting this correctly that the abrahamic god is actually Lucifer?

>>96286180
not really but he is behind the founding of the church in wod and is secretly gods double agent

controlled opposition and all that

>>96286180
>abrahamic god
Kinda yes and no. Lucifer is behind the jews taking a large chunk of religion and the birth of catholocism + islam.
WoD essentially takes a lot from Gnosticism(aka:the god most people worship is actually the devil pretending to be god and the material universe is fake and gay normieslop made by him). Lucifer is essentially playing god and has a hand in the various abrahamic churches as a means of getting humanity to follow his doctrine while masquerading a big G.

>>96276560 (OP)
God dang it Bobby, don't ya see? You're a philodox. Its your duty to resolve disputes and enforce the Litany. This generational rift has got to heal. By the sacred propane, I have passed my gift onto you.

>>96286401
But Peggy, those people HAD to die! They were corrupt! I had to keep the neighborhood safe!

>>96286401
Do you want to know why I set your house on fire Bill? We are the all singing all dancing natural gas of the world..

>>96286401
>Bobby has sudden revelation
>Flashback to hank speaking
>I'm not saying the Imperium was right, I'm just saying it worked!
>Glass slowly slips out of bobbies hand, plumeting to the floor
>Yup, the Charmaster can grill up just about anything!
>Liquid spills out the glass as ice tumbles towards the ground
>No sir officer, you couldn't get it hot enough to dispose of a body, not with clean burnin' propane!
>Glass hits floor and shatters
>Dale: "Hey hank, how bout some more 'long pig', (snicker)
>Room spins
>Peggy: "Luane, why is their so much meat in the freezer? Ugh, looks like its turned bad!"
>Hank: "Taste the meat, not the heat!"

>>96286541
"But.. what about the bones, dad? What did you do with the bones?"
"You know all those skeleton decorations I put up for halloween that I said came from Spirit Halloween?"
"I lied. I covered them all with plaster and enamel and keep them stored in storage shed 11 months out of the year."

>>96285648
Manuals for dealing with demons are for fourth circle apprentices and higher only.

Chronicles of Fagness

>>96282093
How functional is the clan I was Embraced into? It really depends if my clan makes my already-cursed better or worse.

I don't particularly dislike any clans, mostly just dislike some particular players like Kyasid's, but the point stands. If either my in-clan disciplines or my clan ethics don't suck too hard, I'd probably be loyal to it.

Save for Malkavians, which seems to be the sleeper worst clan to be Embraced into if you're either already mentally ill or loses the derangement lottery and gets something that'll make eternity hell for you.

>>96282093
>would you shill for it anyway?
There are better ways to cope with a disability.

I LOVE YOU HEDGEFAG
I always have…

>>96287628
>How functional is the clan I was Embraced into?
Let's see... Toreador . How long do you think you will take to kill yourself?

>>96282476
>>96282484
Why do u hate him

>>96287708

>>96287716
The memes.

>>96286401
What's his tribe? BSD?

Business Venture: Autism as a merit that gives you extra freebie points, but you must choose a specialization for every stat that goes above one dot, and anything outside that specialization has a penalty.

>>96287759
Glasswalker, with Propane as his Totem.

Assuming the following:

Pentex has a blood vial of Ravnos locked away in a secure lab with time gated security (the door opens only during the day). The lab is situated at a harbor, with direct access to the water.
They use drones and the guard are armed with machine pistols. They have recently been granted backup by the dutch military due to a botched "terrorist attack"
They are using the blood for experimentation, one result already being some kind of chemical that makes the blood of whoever takes it highly addictive to a vampire.

How would you get at the blood of Ravnos?

>>96288058
>How would you get at the blood of Ravnos?
I wouldn't.
I would be staying as far away from that thing a physically possible.
Any existing blood samples mean that the Antedeluvian ISN'T FULLY DEAD YET
Pentex is holding a ticking time bomb waiting to become a resurrected, and very hungry, blood god.

>>96287716
I don't "hate" him. But over the years I've come to realize he's responsible for the parts of Mage I dislike, and I tend to throw his material out the window when running Mage. Mind you, this is my favorite splat and a runner up for my favorite RPG ever.
He's also written what I consider some of the worst books in WoD. I know other games have some really fucked up shit, like all those depraved modules for Lamentations of the Flame Princess, but those are quite creative in comparison to Brucato's dry and uninspired magical realm bullshit.
So yeah, he's generally a bad writer and often behind the worst decisions in the Mage line, both lorewise and mechanically. He's also this creepy sex addicted fuck. Imagine having That Guy being a horny BDSM rave-rat who thinks he's an intellectual and doesn't just try to steer the game into ERP every scene, but is actively trying to sleep with all the girls at the table. Like, the kind of person who can only do something if the possibility of sex is involved.
I would not be surprised if he gets outed as an actual offender.

>>96281419
No, because it will be aggressively mediocre. There will be a few hints of what could have been, and the rest will just be a snorefest that's not even worth mocking.
It's also going to take around 6 hours to complete the entire game.

Why does the Camarilla tolerate the tremere when malkavians exist?

>>96281419
So what's Paradox/WW policy on fan games?
Are they as aggressively retarded as GWs and Nintendo?

Why does the Camarilla tolerate the malkavians when tremere exist?

>>96286121
Probably the creepiest thing about Joseph Pander is his lack of ambition. He could have been the vampiric Lenin, but decided to just be an informal Priscus. Any vampire with that little going on has some sick shit going on in the dark.

>>96287711
I read a lot of manga so that might be a problem if I keep getting fascinated by every other page. And I'm generally below average lookswise so the other toreadors might look down on me. Otherwise it doesn't sound like the worst clan.

Out of all the major clans, being a Nossie, Ventrue, or Giovanni seem like the worst to me. Being a walking masquerade breach or having restrictions on feeding are constant, every day problems with life threatening consequences.

>>96288150
>And I'm generally below average lookswise
This doesn't matter as much as you think. Look at the attribute dots for creating a mortal vs creating a vampire and then reread the lore sections at the start of the vtm corebooks.
Getting the embrace gives you a serious looks upgrade most of the time(ignoring nosferatu obviously).

>>96288150
>or Giovanni
This hinges on how willing you are to fuck your sister anon. The more of a degenerate you are, the more the family will like you.

Nosferatu are the only vampires capable of doing good because their Disciplines push them to keep their distance from humans. Disprove this (you can't).

>>96282093
i'd probably fail ventrue's agoge

>>96288179
>their Disciplines push them to keep their distance
>Nossies are well known to rush obfuscate 3 so they can pretend to be hot singles in your area.

>>96288186
An ST that lets you do full transmogs under bright lights and in public places without challenge rolls is a bad ST.

>>96288179
>their disciplines that make them the perfect hunters
If I were a Nos I'd be bumrushing blood bags, ripping them in half, drinking the blood that spills out, commanding vermin to eat/hide the remains, and then obfuscating out of there.

>>96288196
That's why you go to dimly lit bars where everyone has beer goggles anyway. Obfuscate 3 might as well be Presence in the right conditions.

If I were a vampire I'd be a gangrel because I am the alpha wolf.

>>96288216
And, in doing so, you didn't get caught up in hijinks to hide the body or create some puppy-kicking conspiracy to cover your tracks; the nicest vampire.
>>96288220
You better be speaking as little as possible, and cover yourself in cologne to hide the sewer smell. Obfuscate shouldn't trivialize chicanery, only remove a couple steps. A Nosferatu that isn't a good actor with some clever tricks shouldn't fool anyone for more than a few rounds.
>>96288225
My city is historically Ventrue territory, but with a newly pissed-off working class, so I'm probably prime Brujah vanguard bait.

>>96288144
>Why does the Camarilla tolerate the malkavians when tremere exist?
because fighting the shizoprenic precogs is a pain in the ass.

>>96287711
>spoilers
>that time some anon actually got embraced because his aura was spectacularly beautiful

>>96288140

>>96288171
>Getting the embrace gives you a serious looks upgrade most of the time
This

>>96288183

>>96287711
Original anon who replied to you here. Toreador is a sweet option; I already love art and, unfortunately, am already deeply biased towards prettier people. In fact, I tend to dislike ugly people, even despise them if I see they're also unkept and dirty, as faggotish as this sounds.
The biggest inconvenience will be putting my life in danger in presence of art, but hey, better deal than being fucking insane, having insects eternally crawling on my asshole or being retardedly angry and killing myself out of nowhere.
>>96288058
If I'm big league enough to know such thing exists and where, I'd probably get cross-splat help, since Tremere would likely backstab me the moment they knew what I was after. Maybe a Mage or a more morally dubious glasswalker and a lot of ghouls.
Although I'd stay away from it realistically. What the fuck would I do with Ante blood? I wouldn't resist not just drinking it, going insane with so much power and fucking myself over. Would it even have permanent buffing effects?
>>96288072
I don't think Ravnos can come back because someone has some of his blood.
>>96288140
Malkavians can't do half the shit and half as well that the Tremere do. In fact that's the sole reason usurpers haven't been wiped out: their magic tricks, so cheaply avaliable for Courts.

>>96287711
>>96288289
Few games ago my char, an average blue collar lad, chopshop mechanic and designated/getaway driver for ostensibly mortal party was embraced by obsessive toreador stalker. God only knows what a Toreador seen in him, he would've been a Pander or Brujah at best.

>>96288333
>God only knows what a Toreador seen in him
The aura thing was not a joke (well, not completely).
You just know some Toreador freaks have embraced people for having the best tits, or the best feet they ever saw. Why not the most beautiful aura?
Of course, there's always a chance it changes after you die.

>>96288171
>>96288316
I don't think so. People seem to canonically be stuck with the looks they had in life: Bald people are always bald, men with beards always need to shave. I think some scars disappears but a lot remain, since there's a Lasombra who is permanently sunburnt because he was Embraced as such. Although I do think you can have a ''cleaner'' appearence since you're dead and not subject to newer zits, and also with immortality you may develop some sense of fashion and social fashion.

>>96288330
>because someone has some of his blood.
Antedeluvians don't function like normal vampires. Multiple Ante's have canonical 100% deaths, only to pop up some time later just fine(obviously this is due to dumbass inconsistent writers, but they made immortal antes a thing to cover their asses).

>>96288352
Its inconsistent, but there are absolutely vampires that got a glow-up from the embrace.

>>96288352
It's probably the most inconsistent element of VtM. I reject any claims of canon.

>>96288352
I look much better now. Maybe it's just a [your clan] problem.

>>96288361
>Multiple Ante's have canonical 100% deaths
Only TWO antes had canonical 100% deaths. Ventru and Ravana.

The rest had been going tee-hee ackchually since 2e at least.

>>96288352
>>96288373
Tremere and Tzimisce have cosmetic options for every occasion, so two main sects are well covered even if embrace didn't beautify someone.

>>96288367
>It's probably the most inconsistent element
Not even close. To this day it isn't clear if vampires can pass out from the blow on their heads for the shovelhead Embrace, and that's a decades-out lore bit.

>>96288387
Drain, Drip, CLANG

>>96288374
Ventru has been playing the Schrodinger's Cat for at least... 3 thousand years? I forget the details but at least one 4th gen Ventru spawned at the end of iron age.
Not sure if this has been thrown out.

>>96288387
The shovel is clearly magical.

>>96288392
>Drain, Drip, CLANG
LMAO

>>96288374
>Ravana
ravana was methusela and he's now a yama king

>>96288395
That's just writers being retarded and spawning new donuts.

>>96288374
Ventru's death isn't canonical, the only evidence of it is some guys saying "I've heard he/she was killed outside of city walls” for a vamp that'd have 10 in domination and fortitude, while 4th gen Ventrue keep popping up
Even Ravana is dubious with the master of illusion thing

>>96288400
Ravana/Ravnos/Zapatasura/whachacallit died in Bangladesh. The rest is gypsy lies and grandstanding.

>>96288142

Storyteller's Vault is rather open to a lot more than GW and definitely more than Nintendo. Nintendo would freak out if you put tits and p0n0s in Mario 64 trade dress, but STV does not, mostly.

You can't make whole new games for their stuff but you can make almost any supplement you want for established games. So if you wanted to make a de facto Overfiend crossover with WoD, CoD, or Exalted, you're technically allowed to do that, but it has to be labeled Black Dog, with Black Dog trade dress, which may be soft-locked out because the only Black Dog trade dress they have is for V:tM.

The WoD5 Storyteller's Vault, however, has much more restrictive guidelines. You can't make 18+ material for those. Just about anything else in the empty void of WoD5, however, is permissible.

>>96288374
>>96288395
We have absolutely no info on Ventru or his whereabouts. Nothing indicates he is dead besides some wishful thinking due to the irony of the Ante of the clan of the kings dying so soon. I both like and dislike the fact we know nothing about him; I just wish we had something to go on about. We know so little that things like >>96288402 just end up looking writers are being retarded. Although, they often are.
>>96288406
>even Ravana is dubious with the master of illusion thing
IIRC one of the writers himself confirmed Ravnos is dead-dead. I think that's for good, since it required a multisplat desperate measure and he had a pretty fucking good battle, with his dead even sending ripples across the whole world and marking the apocalypse.

>>96288402
I get where you are coming from but it just feels kind of bullshit that he was the one ante who just died rather than just bullshiting his way back. Also FORTITUDE 10 FOR FUCK SAKE.

>>96288429
Thank you, although I should be more specific:
What's their policy regarding fanmade Video Games, as well as other material (animation, web series, lore videos, other fanstuff that GW likes to squash unless you lick their boot)?

>>96288437
>We have absolutely no info on Ventru or his whereabouts
iirc we have a picture and an outline of his personality. I am pretty sure you could copy and past the God Emperor of Mankind and it would match 90% of their lore.

>>96288416
Ravana is an active yama king, you can go to his realm and talk to the fucker.
"Ravana" is also the name of a ravnos methusela that got in trouble with the ante because he was messing with infernalism.

>>96288455
>Also FORTITUDE 10
Also dominate. Funny how no one is sure how he died, only that he died. Sounds familiar, like a certain shadowy progenitor stole the idea later...

The tremere clan shall eventually rule all because their antideluvian is the best.

>>96288487
>typed by saulot

>>96288487
Yeah the guy fathered 3 clans

>>96288476
>Sounds familiar, like a certain shadowy progenitor stole the idea later...
I want to joke about how these guys are one in the same but that's just an insult to the Ventru.

>>96288487
They will eventually rule all because they can cast a super fuck you times a million magic missle and make your head explode.

>>96288523

Rather than engage in
>muh chmpoutstry10 muh fortydudes10 muh plot device muh merely pretending
wank, here's White Wolf's statement on fate of antediluvians as of the end of revised, an edition when all that merely pretending cancer got really out of hand.

>>96288395
The actual secret deep lore that's so deep that they can only leave breadcumbs is that Ventru is alive and leading The Directorate.

>>96288487
The tremere clan would already be in charge if the tremere weren't so stingy with casting their rituals. Tremere himself had the power to make all his methusela immune to fire and sunlight for centuries by chain-casting his only level 10 ritual with some enhancer meta-rituals. Then their blood would be capable of making any clan member that drinks it temporarily immune.
Just the alone would let clan tremere stock countless potions of "Fuck your sunlight"

>>96288546
Too OP, please nerf.

>>96288542
>here's White Wolf's statement on fate of antediluvians
And it's worth completely Nothing, because the same fucking book has Set appears as a major villain.

>>96288542
Anon, the book this is from contradicts this list. The writer who wrote this down was an idiot that tried to sneak his headcanon into official material.

>>96288545
>The actual secret deep lore that's so deep that they can only leave breadcumbs is that Ventru is alive and leading The Directorate.
Yeah but who doesn't roll with that even if it is the most basic take on the guy.

>>96288574
Anyone who takes the surface cliches of the Ventrue to heart, to the extent they think they're as boring as the Toreador.

>>96288557
And Brujah, and whatever thing there is in the Abyss that more paranoid Lasombra believe to be their progenitor, and a whole bunch of irrelevant antes made an appearance, because latter scenarios of the book are just that, a bunch or outlandish, retarded what-ifs.

Yet Ravana and Ventrue pointedly didn't appear even once, but were repeatedly affirmed to be dead.

>>96288546
IF we're talking clan optimization, the tremere would have never been a thing if the salubri weren't retarded. The mechanics of golconda and true faith mean that salubri elders in a properly organized clan would be as powerful as antedeluvians before they started to call down miracles that could baths a city in a nuclear holocaust of holy fire.
The inquisition would have never been a threat because their top knights would be salubri vampires maintaining the backbone of the church and killing infernalists.

>>96288595
>Yet Ravana and Ventrue pointedly didn't appear even once
Pretty sure that was more from limitations on print space than any desire from the authors to be consistent(as if).

>>96288542
>Canon
>In WoD

>>96288620
Nah, that's about the only thing consistent in the whole burning dumpster of antediluvian metaplot. For better and worse Revised developers and Gehenna writers unilaterally believed that Ventrue and Ravnos founders need to remain dead - they aren't even present in antediluvian reunion scenario.

>>96288696
why tho

>>96288464

You'd have to pursue that with them. I would be a bit doubtful on that front, because they tend to either release those things themselves or license them to outside development.

(Obvious first step is to become an outside dev. Then, you, too can claim your creation as canon!)

My Satanist Celestial Chorister is true believer in The One.

>>96288834
Good question. Ravnos likely because his blowout already occurred before, more so as it changed antediluvians from merely individuals with one special power to natural disasters.

Ventrue... well, people at the helm decided he's been dead all along, and as not being flaky enough Gehenna writers, largely disdainful of all things seven, and preferring flakier clans, were not inclined to bring him back.

I think Ventrue being undisputed sovereign of vampire kind also played the part, the political landscape of Vampire world would've been quite a bit more different if he was still around, even dormant, so Gehenna writers had to keep him dead.

OTOH writers of shoddier side-line supplements were keen on inserting methuselah sue after methuselah sue, so they wholly ignored the whole "supposed to be dead" thing, wilfully or ignorantly.

>>96288928
One of my players is actually playing a Luciferian Chorister.
She's an incredibly measured and chill character so far. Except for that time she suggested killing the entire population of a small town was the only solution.
To her credit, she was right and technically got her way.

ALL the antediluvians have already died but the Sabbat leadership has been covering this up so they can retain some control over the sect

>>96289018
Tell me more.

>>96289018
Good option desu

>>96289018
A Tzimisce assassination squad of some of their most gruesome flesh sculptuted creatures are coming to your house.

>>96289037
most antediluvians either got dusted long ago or were killed off by the Sabbat but the elders didn't want to lose their power and control so they lied and said the antediluvians are still out there as the crusade against them is the only thing keeping the younger packs (barely) obedient.

>>96289018
Factoid: The existence of the TRVE Black Hand disproves this angle.

Why didn't more people just pull a tremere and duablerize a antideluvian?

>>96289068
>TRVE Black Hand
Aka pretentious twats with delusions of relevance?

The only good idea of the lot is old clan, and they're basically tremere/ventrue wannabes anyway.

>>96289079
>Troile
>Augustus GIovanni
>Lugoj
>Gratiano
these are all kindred that have supposedly diablerized antediluvians that I can remember

>>96289079
Tremere specifically chose Saulot because he was the “nicest” Antediluvian. He thought he would be a total pushover to diablerize. How Tremre underestimated the Baali’s originator’s keikaku

>>96289079
Let's see...
Saulot: Exists inside Tremere and plot things like nuclear apocalypse to Beijing, Tremere mostly powerless and tries to take control
Lasombra: The castle he was residing was basically emptied out. The guy who supposedly diablerized him is just nobody, a background character. Lasombra is 100% alive.
[Cappadocian]: Willingly let himself get eaten and become a Wraith, Giovanni couldn't even eat his soul and is basically weaker than most Methuselahs. Don't be like Giovanni, even ToJ makes fun of him.
Ilyes: Troile actually managed to diablerized him without any drawbacks or gotcha. Only Ilyes has Time bullshit and survived being Diablerized. So you have two 3rd Generation Brujah Antediluvians.

So 1 out of 4 attempts is actually successful and even that one has asterisks. Plus it happened during Antediluvians time when they were Ancilla.

>>96289260
I find True Brujah's time stuff very interesting, it's a shame balancing time powers gameplay wise or narratively is incredibly hard so they'll never be explored properly

>>96288542
>Set is dead and ain't coming back. Suck is Setities.
>140 pages later
>Set comes back

>>96289322
>Set looks like Voldemort
lol

>>96288464
>What's their policy regarding fanmade Video Games
If you're making ANYTHING official that actively talks with and coordinates with Paradox (like those crappy VNs or that VtM battle royale) you're absolutely forced to use WoD5 where applicable. The only exceptions are for splats that don't have one (like the VR Wraith game or WtA at the time of Earthblood at the time). There's a bunch of other rules too for that:
https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/world-of-darkness/community/dark-pack-agreement
If you mean entirely fanmade stuff without official support, they haven't gotten on Hunter The Parenting's case and there's a pretty strong modding scene for Bloodlines 1, so they're pretty permissive as far as anyone can tell.

>>96289352
>Hunter The Parenting
Why would they? HTP is precisely the kind of whimsical woke faggotry that nuWW's trying to push, and they bring devoted Warhammer fanbase with them.

>>96289322
Somehow Set returned...

>>96289464
Yeah a good bunch of the cast is either gay or bisexual.

>>96288542
>gehenna
>canon

>>96288225
>>96288254
>wonder what vampires they put in my country (if they even mentioned it)
>check the wiki
>Tzimisce

>>96289018
Lol.

>>96290002
I'm sorry to hear you live in the Balkans. Where I'm from it isn't much better.

>>96289018
I do not believe the Sabbat could destroy a single Antediluvian even if they knew where it was and put the entire weight of their sect behind it with no infighting at all.

Not because any given Antediluvian is invincible mind you, but because the Sabbat are that inept at their stated goal.

>>96289316
The problem is that Chronomancy is very incompatible with TTPGs.

>>96290148
Despite how bullshit their powers are, the Sabbath isn't capable or willing to bring 5 synergistic munchkins together so they stand a chance.

I want to play as an Inanima so badly

>>96290149
It works fine in games where it's more meta instead of an in universe ability, like flashbacks in blades in the dark.