Actually traitors edition
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>Thread Question:Favorite Psychic Power?
How many Line units are you taking?
How many Vanguard units are you taking?
State your faction in your response.
>>96281148>How many Line units are you taking?RG 3 - 2x10 Tacs, 1x10 Breacher, all rhinos
TS 3 - 3x20 Tacs
>How many Vanguard units are you taking?RG 1 - Deliverers
TS Not sure yet, maybe a unit of corrupted Tartaros and a corrupted Warmonger
>>96281169>power axe *4How are you doing that on 15 despoilers?
>>96281175By cheating.
i forgor to change that when i reduced the squad size
>>96281148Mechanicum, w/ allies.
3 Line (the allied Solar Aux), 1 Vanguard, 3 Comptroller
Possibly need more Vanguard there.
>>96281181It's ok baoble buddy
Tomorrow's gonna be widgets and wires.
Also nees to figure out what melee weapon to give it and what to put in place of that locket I cut off.
>>96281194This still looks like an EC terminator, anon.
>>96281148I still haven't played a game of 3.0 yet but
But my 2k list I'm running tomorrow will have
>4 vanguard>0 line>3 scoring non-line>Custodes + Knights.
>>96281211It's the helmet. It's a visual reference to Griffith from Berserk. Griffith/Gatsu = Fulgrim/Ferrus
>>96281238Nothing I could do about that, then. The helmet is half the reason I bought it.
It looks like the assault armor on elites in Halo 3.
Someday I'll come up with something to do with all my bayonets.
If I glue 2 pieces of resin tubing together and then put them in the hot water will the bond hold or am I fucked?
>>96281262You should be attaching the bayonets to the gun or the webbing.
>>96281194why he have plasmer canon
>>962811480 Line, Vanguard on everything but 4 models.
Knights have nothing with Line.
>>96280148But they have shitty novels. The only traitor legions with good novels are Death Guard and Night Lords (post-heresy). And their color scheme sucks. If it were blue, as seen here, they'd be peak. But if you play with this scheme, HH players will kill you and rape your corpse. So in turn, thousand sons have to be candy red unweathered retards
>>96281352They can take line units
Auxilia with the Knight faction keyword :^)
5x or 10x Assault Destroyers with Volkite?
>>96281387Give me Skitarii, James.
>>962813982 of 5 if you have the space
>>962811484 tac squads, 2 vet tac squads, 2 lernean squads (Alpha Legion)
>>96281384Betrayer and First Heretic are also good, and that's World Eaters and Word Bearers, but those are the only good novels they have. Oh, and Sons of Horus have Horus Rising, of course, which is also their only good novel because the other two in the trilogy suck. Emperor's Children get a good short story, I guess, and Fulgrim is half decent.
But yeah A Thousand Sons is just okay and is overrated as fuck, the Thousand Sons don't even act like space marines and Magnus is a fucking retard the entire time.
>>96281194love this model - i used it as a base for a custodian terminator
Did they mix up the augury scanner and cognis-signum entries?
Serving as a spotter for artillery seem like something any unit should be able to do and ignoring shrouded, something most units only get as a reaction seems like something that should be reserved to a specialist, not cost 10p...
>>96281426>the Thousand Sons don't even act like space marinesThe Thousand Sons: "mmmm yes we are enlightened philosophers ushering in a golden age of knowledge, watch as I use mind bullets to kill you as I would never sully my power armor with your blood. Tsk!"
Their Blood Raven Descendants: "MY FAITH IS MY SHIELD!!!"
>>96281262So sad all bayonets do is make your attacks be AP5 now. Would've liked it if they were "the bolter gains Assault type". Would've made kraken bolters do fun stuff when they got charged
>>96281447Blood Ravens are fucking chads compared to thousand sons, their armor is actually weathered and they act like space marines.
"EAT BOLTGUN!!"
Aside from routed, what do you guys think is the most useful status to inflict? Stunned seems very niche with how few reactions people have to play around with so I think it comes down to if making your opponent hit on 5s is better than making them immobile.
I'm leaning more towards suppressive but I'm sure there's some advantages im missing about pinning beyond just all the effects of having any status.
Does anyone have ideas to make fluffy status tokens? I have a few ideas, but I'm worried it's too much work for what I'll need tons of.
Suppressed. Smoke grenade on base
pinned. Sandbags with impact markers
Stunned. explosion
Routed. Not a goddamn clue.
>>96281476Depends on the unit. Stunned has little value considering how few reactions people get now...but if you Stun that one HSS your enemy was counting on, that's going to be significant.
Fuck, NOW you'd want Heavy-type armour on HSS and NOW they don't get it. Fuck John French (for whichever reason).
Anyways, the reaction that sets BS to 1 for shooting squads, and the one that sets M to 0" for melee squads, those are fine too. So it's more about what you put on whom.
>>96281490I mean, I'd use a "!" for Routed
>>96281443no
the old rules were augury scanner prevents infiltrate, gives free Interceptor; cognis-signum gives +1 BS and night vision; nuncio-vox gives better spotting
but nuncio-vox has changed completely to let you use any friendly character's characteristics when removing a Status, cognis-signum has become the old nuncio-vox (which makes sense as it's still doing the same basic job), and augury scanners have also retained their basic sense of what they're for
>>96281476The most important effect of all statuses is the ones they have in common. It does not matter what status it is, it's all about throwing as much shit at the wall to ensure something sticks imo
hitting on 5s or not moving is no where near as important as reducing I to 1 and being unable to control or contest objectives
Aside from that it depends on the target. Not being able to shoot back is great on a lot of enemies
Armies start with 2 reaction points, a praetor gives you another and an augury squad can make a reaction free per turn. Reactions are nowhere near gone.
>>96281508Cognis signum gave Night Vision, which cancelled Shrouded.
Now it is Augury Scanners what cancel Shrouded; he's not wrong in feeling stuff just swapped chairs
Also, armpit
Has new recute updated yet
>>96281522You used to have minimum 4 reactions, and now you're lucky to have 2. Reactions aren't gone the same way a collapsed building is "technically all still there"
Are there any legion agnostic units with Fear(X)? Is it just the herald and the esoterist?
>>96281543You had 3 reactions with 1 being conditional to a phase.
Now you have 2 base and another one for taking an HQ with a lot of benefits and no downsides. Even if you only got 2 that's far from gone
>>96281568Librarian. One of the discipline gives it Fear1 without casting anything. Telepathy iirc
>>96281568Everyone's brave until you set them on fire
So the Mk2 kit doesn't come with any extra arm plates for the heavy/melee upgrade kits like the mk3 does.
I guess you're just supposed to use the mk6 arms the heavy weapons kits come with and pretend they're mk2?
Do they look alright on the mk2 guys?
>>96281579Oh, perfect! Time to convert a telepathy + biomancy librarian with jumppack to join an ashen circle squad
>>96281603The Melee and Special/Heavy weapons arms actually aren't MK6, they're slightly different.
Converted the box centurion into a champion. Whatcha'll working on?
>>96278264Reposting anon's Status list.
>PanicMorbus Bombard (Phosphex)
Quad Launcher (Phosphex)
Kraken Bolter (Shot Selector)
Flamer
Heavy Flamer
Twin-Heavy Flamer
Flamestorm Cannon
Photonic Incinerator
Arcus Missile Launcher (Pyrax)
Phosphex Bomb
Phosphex Discharger
>PinningMorbus Bombard (HE)
Nemesis Bolter
Graviton Gun (+Shock)
Graviton Cannon (+Shock)
Graviton-Charge Cannon (+Shock)
Grav-Flux Bombard (+Shock)
Graviton Pulverizer (+Shock)
Deathstorm Missile Launcher
Kharybdis Missile Launcher
Volkite Falconet
>SuppressiveRotor Cannon
Punisher Rotary Cannon
Kraken Bolter (Shot Selector)
Gravis Heavy Bolter Battery
Twin Avenger Bolt Cannon
Spicula Rocket System
Volkite Cardanelle
Neutron Beam Laser (Shock)
Neutron Blaster (Shock)
Neutron Laser Battery (Shock)
Neutron-Wave Cannon (Shock)
Arcus Missile Launcher (Neutron) (Shock)
>StunAstartes Shotgun
Demolisher Cannon
Dreadhammer Siege Cannon
Fellblade Accelerator Cannon (HE)
Kratos Battlecannon (HE)
Havoc Launcher
Concussive Resonator
>>96281624List autism.
Struggling.
>>96281623I heard 1.0, being based on 7E, could fight 7th edition xenos and imperials. But also that they felt overpowered, as if they had a points handicap going for them.
What are the differences between 30k and 10E 40k xenos? Should it be 10E or 7E?
I heard Ork Klanz and Dark Eldar Kabals hadn't been invented yet. Not until M32 and M36 respectively
>>96281639What are you trying to fit in and for what legion, let's see if we can help you out
>>96281527>Now it is Augury Scanners what cancel ShroudedSpecial note that scanners dont work on snap shots, which is important for RG
>>96281623Remind me which side they take in the civil war that the whole story is about?
>>96281666The side that nearly killed the Emperor and led to the Calth atrocity. What did your thousand manchildren do again?
>>96281165Attempting a TS list with my coolest models and lots of tacs
>>96281623I'll do you one better: xenos in general should be in HH, including the Rangdan
>>96281715You can use mechanicum rules for Necrons; pick all the model resurrection and repair nonsense.
>Thralls=Warriors>Myrmidons=Lychguard>Thallax=Lokhust>Thanatar=Doomstalker>Castellax=Spyders>Krios=DDA>Explorator=Ghost Ark>Ursarax=Skorpekhetc
>>96281731The scale seems a lil whack on some of those. How big are Ursarax?
>>96281650Necrons awaken when they tomb world is under threat and are unchanged
>>96281731 brings up a good point. They were alluded to as an unknown metallic xenos during the great crusade.
>>96281742Its not perfect, but you're already using necron models. The point is to a little flavor/visual variety. Skorpekh are Ursarax size model-wise, but have a slightly bigger base by 10mm.
>>96281715Just play 40k with HH models (and an appropriate list).
>>96281651I'm trying to figure out where to put the last 100 points here for my Iron Warriors.
>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books Scanned:
RE:
Hey anon,
Thanks for rushing these out to all us broke asses, but jeezus man...learn to fucking make some clearer scans! This shite is practically illegible..and you can't see shite on the artwork, as they're overexposed and too dark. I've got scans that are decades old, better than this. At least make it legible, instead of just rushing out slop. You'd think with all the A.I. programs out there, you'd be able to make some cleaner scans.
>>96281752But 40k has shit rules.
>>96281650Yes, there are fan rules for Xenos in 1.0.
But I don't see why it should be impossible to just play ProHammer Classic rules with whatever faction there is and HH models for Space Marines or CSM. That is much easier than porting all other 40k factions to a ruleset that is made for games twice the size.
I have just watched a 40k 2nd edition batrep 1k points Eldar vs Space Marines and it was refreshing to scale down once in a while.
>>96281756Oh I forgot to put actual weapons on the assaults.
That'll give me some points.
Maybe then some tarantulas?
>>96281756I assume you don't have any more Tacticals left otherwise you'd have already inserted those. Any reason you didn't upgrade the heavy support squad to iron havocs if you need to waste points? Could also use augury scanners on all of the big gun squads. I assume the character wargear is to say WSYWIG
>>96281769take ProHammer Classic. As everyone rants 40k 3rd was peak but 4th was an improved overhaul and 5th-7th had some good things too, you find it all in one ruleset.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/796101.page
If that is still shit than HH rules can't be better.
>>96281756Give the iron havoc something better than shrapnel bolters
Some power weapons on the assault squad would be good too
>>96281756havoc launcher on all rhinos is probably more useful than the second combibolter
Despoilers could use some better weapons
Alright anons how does this look?
The idea is is to put the master of signals with the augury squad to C+C from the rear, have the librarian roll up with the lerneans, have a techmarine in each tac squad moving in close support of the tanks, and have the effrit up close buffing the insane amount of status effect weapons (the only units without a way to proc a status effect are the tacs+rhinos and the C+C squad)
Alpha Legion - 3000 pts
Crusade detachment:
Master of signals - 115
Librarian with telepathy and biomancy - 115
Centurion - 80
2*10 tacticals - 200
2* rhino - 120
Prime command- reward of treason:
1*10 Ashen Circle - 225
Prime troop - logistical benefit
1*5 lerneans, 1 chainfist, 1 power fist and c-beamer, 3 thunderhammers - 315
Aux detachment #1 - armored support
Venator with lascannons - 190
Choom Kratos with locus - 335
Aux detachment #2 - techmarines covenant
2* techmarines with familiar - 120
Aux detachment 3 and 4 - headhunter leviathal:
2*5 seekers - 2*105
2*5 Nemesis recons (prime logistic) - 2*135
2*5 Effrit with daggers (prime veterans) - 2*170
Logistical benefits:
Land Raider Carrier with lascannons and a heavy flamer pintle - 285
Augury command squad - 80
>>96281810Is Pinning not worth it? Their other options are Missile Launchers, Autocannons and Lascannons.
I'll look at some power weapons for sure on the Assaults.
>>96281788Augury scanners is a good idea.
>>96281816I'll swap to Havoc launchers. The despoilers were built that way because I love chain weapons.
>>96281439Sorry, Anon, but that's just a space marine
>The magos on abeyant is already on a base that slots right into the abeyant so you can use them on foot or abeyant with the same model
neat
lmao
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Just a reminder that destroyer assault squads cannot take rad missile launchers or any special weapon as the dataslate clearly does not permit them to.
>>96281825>Is Pinning not worth it?Iron havocs cost 135p for 5 heavy bolters. That's a massive waste of points. Pinnning 0 doesn't change that imo
You can put pinning on rhino bolters for 3ppm
Or the tacticals or desploilers.
>>96281854I see.
Would Shrapnel Bolter + Havoc Launcher be a better set up for the Rhinos?
>>96281854>>96281861I might drop the second squad of havocs then.
>>96281821>Biomancy librarian reaching strength 16 on his ap2 d2 axe with 4 attacks >The lerneans get 3 s12 chainfist attacks, 3 s10 pfists, and 9 s9 thunderhammersI see the vision.
I think you're missing some more AT though. (And some more line)
>>96281861Probably yes. It's cheap and you might cause 2 status checks on a unit with 1 rhino
>>96281868Maybe take las canon on the havocs. You don't have a whole lot of stuff to kill TEQ
>>96281879That's true, good idea, thanks anon.
>>96281579You can stack quite a few if you go out of your way to do so, although maybe my attempt to Reactionmax was not representative of the rest of the game because I was doing it with allies.
2 base
1 Archmagos on Abeyant, Command Throne rule (30pts over normal archmagos, also grants +1T).
1 banked if the Archmagos successfully casts Programming Interrupt (Int 8 test with a cyber-familiar, 40pts for spell + gear, also grants +1BS for my shooty tanks)
3 free reactions for the allied Ultima Cohort's lasgun chumps, one per phase but they can only be used on Lasrifle Tercios. This is fine, because that's a free Diversion if they try to shoot at my important units.
>>96281872>Biomancy librarian reaching strength 16 on his ap2 d2 axe with 4 attacksNani the fuck
>>96281922Nvm I'm retarded, thought I was force(S) and not force(D). Only S8 ap2 D2 for his axe (still great for termies, and as a biomancy librarian he already get the special s12 psychic weapon anyway
>>96281879This look a bit better?
>>96281841>Bring an assault destroyer and a mortals destroyer squad>Mortalis Destroyers get to bring twice the special weapons then :^)I wish Destroyers could swap both pistols for plasma pistols for 10 pts, instead of only one of them :(
I wish their bolt pistols were special instead of just taken from the army surplus box lmao
>>96281793>hull pointsGross. 3rd-5th was better when it came to vehicle damage
Is a Knight a small Titan or is a Titan a big Knight?
>>96281977>I wish Destroyers could swap both pistols for plasma pistols for 10 pts, instead of only one of themIt's great for blackshield destroyers when you want to emphasize the lack of coherent supplies
>>96282009A warhound is a big knight, but anything past that is a titan proper.
>>96282009A knight is a little bitch compared to a titan and a knight scion is a worm compared to a titan princeps
Is vanguard 1 ever worth it? (From command vox). Unless you're trying to push someone off an objective worth 1 VP (which is rare because most are 2) you're breaking even with just holding it, and losing vp compared to line.
I'm guessing there's some value on shooting units that wouldn't be getting anything from being on the objective because of being too far but again line gives you the same amount of vp and does so reliably
>>96282001What did you just read? ProHammer Classic has no hull points. It still uses front, side, rear armor values and damage tables and it also says so on the forum entry.
>>96282095It's potentially worth putting on some mortar rapiers that are about to barrage that objective.
>>96282105You only get the point for completely wiping the unit don't you? I've seen people talk about it like you get the points for make the enemy rout off the objective but i can't see anything like that in the rules.
>>96282125The day 0 errata added a paragraph to vanguard
Finally starting to make some headway on this guy. It's a surprisingly tedious model to paint โ might be the first time I've genuinely regretted not doing it in sub-assemblies.
Not sure about the color of the eagle crest yet.
>>96282433Cool helm. Print?
>>96282440Black Templar upgrade sprue.
>>96282433looks good! maybe a brass for the eagle? something like runelord. my fav paint for decorative metals is canoptek alloy but for IF's warm yellow something a bit darker/not too warm would probably be more appropriate
>>96282433Garadon's fist. But Saturnines don't have a power fist to exchange for a Solarite
>>96282495Works better as a Concussion Hammer representation than the stupid dual wielding builds
>>96282495Oh here i was thinking that fist was natural to the kit. Almost tempted me to entertain buying it. What a shame.
>>96282488Good call, I'll try that next.
>>96282495In 3.0 it's a count-as concussion hammer just like the sword is a count-as waraxe, assuming I ever play that. And in our group's 2.0 rules adaption for Saturnine they get regular powerfists stock and have the normal praetor options, so it'll be solarite gauntlet and paragon blade.
Wanted to go with a vigil shield first, but that looked really awkward.
>>96282433That sword is unbelievably sick! Great effect! The subtly of doing it off the lightning symbol is great. Good painting otherwise. The eagle does need highlights or something to stand out, not a good enough painter to say what.
I will say, only criticism is the stance-the legs give off the โoh I shit my pants, I need to shut my cheeks closedโ type of spacing. Lived it. Ionno if thatโs a Saturnine problem in generalโฆ ironically the one sittin last thread didnโt seem so? Seems like a difficult model in that regard
>>96281459Mk II III my beloved
>>96282505>Dual wield hammer and axe, both obviously two-handedBooo
>Dual wield plasma blasters is cool, but illegalBooo. Let me play tiny Perturabo
>>96282509Yeah, but anon's got the right idea; the model is so much improved with that single tweak
>>96281952>>96281756I don't know how to express it, but Iron Havocs are overpriced. AGAIN.
Shrapnel cannons cost 15 pts, the same as a missile launcher (wow). But when they want to swap their shrapnel for a missile, they have to pay +5 pts, despite both options actually costing the same 15 pts!
Sunkillers cost +15 pts over a regular squad, and since they take their weapons at the listed price (instead of being to take a Shrapnel and then further swap it for something else), they don't have that problem: They cost +15 pts regardless of which weapon they take at what number.
Except Plasma Cannons. Those cost +5 pts for whatever specific reason.
What are some mistakes you've noticed so far, anons?
>>96282643Aren't you paying for their special rule basically?
>>96282654Yeah 10 pts, not 60
>>96282676That's Siege Terminators. The Iron Havocs have this built in
>>96282563NTAYRT but I've been struggling with the legs on my praetor as well. Once you include the cloak and the tassels/pteruges/whatever all the posability in the world doesn't help, since you are massively constrained in where you can actually move the limbs without it coming off as super awkward.
>>96282683Yes. I am saying that, seeing how Tyrants gain Ignores Cover for +10 pts, so should Iron Havocs gain it also for +10 pts, which is what it costs when they use Shrapnel Cannons.
>Yeah but the Tyrants' Omniscope can be sniped and canceledSo, Ignores Cover costs +2 per Havoc, but +7 when using a weapon with actual AP like missile launchers and lascannons. I could agree with that.
I don't agree with it for Autocannons, who don't really have any AP you can rely on; Breaching 6 isn't reliable.
>>96282643It's the same as Tyrants having to pay +10 pts for twin claws despite having Power Fists that cost +10 pts already. They should be free because they both cost the same over power weapons: +10 pts
Also do notice how Tyrants can swap their power fists for chainfists for free...then Dominators have to pay +5 pts to swap their TH for chainfists. It's fucking idiotic
Are Destroyers and Moritats good in SoH? Their Legion trait means volley fire is extra juicy, and that's the whole point of the unit now
>>96282768Firestorm is already Death Dealers Plus. Basically SoH affects all non-vehicles *except* Destroyers and Moritats x.x
>>96281139 (OP)How many games do you guys actually get to play a year? Iโve got a kid and itโs quite hard, might have to tell the wife Iโd like a few weekends in the year to go to some events.
What about hobby time also? I can only get about 2 hours a night in
>>96282784Man every time I hear what another legion's trait does the more I see how fucked over Dark Angels are
>>96282784wait. Does that mean that technically, SoH destroyers are the worst destroyers then? Since they have NO legion trait. All the other legions at least get niche stuff
>>96282768I love that reinforced Mk4. I wonder what units wear it
>>96282794Except Dark Angels*
Why were we not given a legion trait, brothers?
>>96282814>>96282797Stop downplaying all your sweet detachments, try to build a list in any other legion and realize how great they are. Certainly better than WB for example
>>96282794I'm sorry, anon
>>96282793I would I'm sorry, anon. But after giving IW, DG, and EC weapons a second look, I'm more tired than sorry
>>96282785Every couple of months, maybe. Depends on the time of year and the mood of my clients โ not a snowball's chance in hell to get anything done between January and March.
Hobby time is about as limited as yours. Half an hour to an hour at lunch and the same or a bit more in the evening.
Charnabal sabre on a despoiler sergeant looks classy. Is it any good rules wise?
>>96282814Does it affect Panic? If not, I'd houserule it to be "DA's ld cannot be lowered below 7". They go down only to what a basic marine is...but no lower. Pseudo Stubborn, which no longer exists in the game anyways.
It would be nice if they got a rule that helped them win instead of help them not lose too bad, though.
>>96282822WB were done dirty, with or without DA detachments. But DA's trait is subpar. Great reaction, detachments an units, but I am of the idea that every legion should have a good trait, good reaction, good detachment and good units.
GW hates this :^)
If there was something that you'd change about your legion's rules, what would it be?
>>96281768gofile anon here
I know, I know, but I'm just a hoarder, man.
These files come from tele-gram and dis-cord channels, I didn't scan them myself. I also would have tried to do a better job for archivist purposes.
What yall think of this list
>Primary detachment
>Catapractii praetor, chainfist, combi-melta
>Master of signals (logistical benefit)
>Librarian, biomancy, telepathy, venomspheres
>10 breachers, 2 lascutters, thunder hammer, meltabomb (master sergeant)
>10 breachers, 2 lascutters, thunder hammer, meltabomb
>Rhino
>Rhino
>Rhino
>Drop pod
>Logistical benefit: Apothecary, power sword
>Headhunter Leviathal detachment from MoS
>Land raider explorator (logistical benefit)
>10 Effrit, 10 powerdaggers, 10 meltabombs (master sergeant)
>10 Headhunters, 2 multi-meltas, 8 combi-meltas
>10 Seekers, power dagger, meltabombs
>Logistical benefit: sicaran venator, 2 sponson lascannons
>Tactical support detachment from Lib
>3 laser destroyer rapiers
>3 graviton canon rapiers
>Combat retinue apex detachment from praetor
>4 cataphractii command squad terminators, 2 powerfists, chainfist, thunder hammer, legion standard, 3 banestrike combi-bolters (master sergeant)
Praetor and command squad go in the explorator, breachers go in rhinos, librarian and effrit go in a rhino, headhunters go in drop pod.
>>96282822They don't make up for jack shit
>>96282858It doesn't effect tactical statuses or combat resolution. Their fear interaction only works with 4 units in the game, 3 of which are primarchs
In a vacuum, which special and heavy weapons are worth it, and which are not?
>>96282966Every single weapon has intended targets, so there's no way to compare them in a vacuum. For example, disintegrators are shit into most targets but become really points-effective into their intended targets.
>>96282857It can potentially allow you to win a focus roll in a challenge (+2 for +1i and duelist's edge) and pick withdraw to end the challenge without the enemy character killing you. It sucks otherwise (it's a +1i weapon with breaching 6), and duelists should pick other weapons.
Finished my first 20 man Mkii squad. Now I've got my last couple of days of holiday and nothing left to paint, I'll be taking all 60 of my tacs, and my 20 Terminators and jazzing the bases up a bit with some barbed wire and skulls and shit.
What are you working on anons?
posted this last thread, any more feedback?
>>96281624Waiting for my 3d printed bitz and my EBay MkII's to arrive... oh right, better order my other stuff from Bitzbox as well.
I'll get Mk6 Tacticals box nex week. Spread the expenditure around.
Still looking for a Mk5 Helmet for my Saboteur that doesn't involve a ยฃ15 postage charge from Poland or the US as well if anyone has any good ideas.
>>96283021>no fixeswhy give you more feedback when you didn't update the chart?
>>96281650legions vs 6/7th xenos were mid tier from my experiance, outside outliers like todes or tksons
>>96282018>>96281977>>96281841I still wish Hand-Flamer Destroyers could have an edition where they'd be worth it, but this isn't the one, it seems. MAYBE if there'd been a way of giving them all DG's Alchem Casters because at least then they'd be swinging Poisoned 2+ about in vast quantitites. Or the WB Akkadic Hand Flamer.
But... no. Str3 without Panic. Nobody is scared of a Hand Flamer.
>>96282785I host a 30 person event each year for 3 days, mostly ZM narrative. get about 10 games in over that weekend, then hardly anything for the rest of the year. most of my friends have kids and are getting older and lamer
>>96282793Nah, there's still some others that are just as bad. IW's is basically just yours again. WB's ability literally is just a free Vexella (still better than yours but it's kind of ass all the same)
You can argue that the NL is good al you like, but you can't argue that it's still a MASSIVE climbdown in terms of power compared to what it used to be. DG's barely have a special ability unless you REALLY tilt into it, and just how useful is a 4" move every turn anyway?
No question DA's got shafted and the guy who was a DA player has been booted from the company though.
>>96283021Tartaros and contemptors, mk5 and indomitus should point to each other.
>>96281139 (OP)12 billion yen race to terra!
>>96283075Did the power armor actually influence the terminator marks, the entry in book one betrayal doesn't seem to imply that
Good morning all,
Iโm gonna do it-Iโm gonna start assembling my dudes. However, I heard horror stories about the MKVI Pauldrons and the gap. How bad is it? Part of me feels like it might be overblown and if itโs not visible 3 feet away, I donโt think itโs an eyesore, but is it? Part of me wants to rip the band aid and just build, paint, and field them.
Also, thoughts on a fire themed Thousand Sons. House Pyrae. Flame throwers, flamers. Since there all about precision-thoughts on Jet Speeders? They look cool. And gotta have a tank-whatโs a tank that looks โfastโ Kraetos you think?
Thank you guys.
>>96283021Didn't Vulkan also improve the Sat dread? Should be an entry for his version as well. You're also missing some random one-off marks like the Tyrant Siege Termies Cata plate, or the various Primarch armor sets. There's also variants of regular PA that you didn't' include, like reinforced MkIV, human PA, etc.
Also all the Custodes PA and Terminator suits, and Kor Phaeron's mobility scooter
>>96283112I don't know if vulkan specifically improved the dread.
Also im only counting general production or prototypes, like the tyrant siege termies aren't stated to be a new mark or pattern but rather just cata.
For the primarchs, AFAIK most if not all of them are just artificer marks besides horus' suit which is a "first of its kind prototype"
As for one offs, im not opposed however I doubt mortal PA has a traceable origin
>>96283109The pads aren't difficult to put together. Glue them together and then place them down on a flat surface to get as clean a join as possible. Use Tamiya thin over the join to clean/fuse any visible gaps up. Sand if any 3d greeblies are left.
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>>96283100MkV helmet was adopted from an early pre-production TDA helmet design. Doesn't say which armour and RT had a few different ones.
>>96283130I still believe the "first of its kind" mention for SS just means first for Terminator plate. Horus was the first Primarch to be found so he could easily predate it. Also, I think Gorgon armor predates Indomitus? I think Indomitus was based on Gorgon rather than the other way around
best legion to ally in a forgelord baby sitting some thallax?
>>96283136if you read horus rising, the book starts with horus in terminator armor, showcases one of the legions first deployments of cata, all before he is ever given the serpents scales
>>96283100Yes. I also forgot that tartaros has been developed alongside mk4 too.
>>96283021>castraferrum is the k-car of the dreadnought world
>>96283074Fully agree WB got shafted too, but theirs is actually valuable (roughly 10 free pts per unit). IW's trait on the other hand actually interacts with the majority of status effects. DA looks like it does at a glance, but if you decipher the AI slop writing you'll see it does almost nothing. I also like the IW expendable rule
I've got a ton of old 40k bikes and land speeders that were going to be an allied detachment of WS Chogorian Brotherhood, but I'm starting to consider just running them as my legion. Anyone using them in their lists? Can't see myself investing in the speeder multimeltas, it practically doubles their points.
>>96283154good enough, the arrow will be added
>>96283168The old bikes are okay, they're supposed to be old patterns from the early crusade before jetbikes became common (and later dissapeared)
But the 40k landspeeders are not HH models, the pattern came later.
>>96283179It's not hard to convert it into something more like the 2e speeder. Those were featured a lot in HH depictions, so can't imagine level headed normal people having an issue with them.
>>96283179>>96283203I'll convert the crap out of them don't worry. I'm more of a hobbyist than a gamer, I'm mostly wondering about viable loadouts
>>96283212Whatever you take, just know that it'll get nerfed in the next edition or two, if it'll even exist at all.
>>96283203>HH>level headed normal peopleAnon...
Anyway, I think it's a waste to use old 40k bikes and landspeeders in the HH. These are now OOP models which are going to become more valued once the unavoidable pre-primaris nostagia hits. Scalpers are already selling them for ridiculous prices.
Just get recasts of the 30k versions or wait for the plastics in the future.
>>96283238I don't think there will be preprimaris nostalgia, the folks who got into 40k in 2012-2017 are an error bar compared to the influx 8th and 9th brought, not to mention they were mostly star wars tourists
>>96283238Fuck scalpers, and fuck hoarding bits to resell. I've got at least 5 plastic land speeders rescued from ebay and they're all getting chopped up for 30k
>>96283233I kicked up a fuss over 3.0 and I'll kick up a fuss about 4.0 if and when I need to. It's not my problem for now
>>96281624The first of a 20 strong IW tac squad.
>>96283325Do IW have the coolest Legion-specific helmets? Actually, is there a pic showing every legion's helmets side by side?
>>96283281GW is already working in the Scouring, anon. And if there was a wave of RT/2nd ed/oldhammer nostagia I don't see why not we can't see another about 3rd-7th middlehammer
>>96283282Fuck scalpers, yes. But I was thinking about not having to pay their prices in the future if I want to do a retro middlehammer 40k force.
>>96283354RT/2e was legitmately charming, 5th-7th was the unironic dark age of the company
Are you using any listbuilding apps? I've been playing with newrecruit but it's still very nicomplete, lacking every legacies unit and half the liber options
How should I build my PA Command Squad?
>>96283383What's their role in your list?
>>96283421Killing other dudes
>>96283383Hammers or claws
Everything else is worse or boring
>>96283357disagree, RT was constant updates in an era when you literally had to carry copies of 15 rulebooks and a dozen WD issues around along with your heavy-ass lead models
when it settled down into the pre-Codex system it was better in a lot of ways, but everything people have claimed to hate about every edition since was already there by 1991-1992 - power creep, overstrong units (vehicles, characters, terminators, purestrains, harlequins etc) and was simply baked into 2E
5E seems almost bizarrely simplistic when I read it back now (close to but not quite as bad as 8E+), 6E-7E is more naturalistic play, it feels like the rules are trying to emulate a kind of reality instead of facilitate fast play
>>96283383Disintegrator rifles
>>96282822>Stop downplaying all your sweet detachmentsAnd I think no one should be hyping them too much as well.
The extra detachements are nice and all, but how many are you realistically going to fit in your army ? Every legion has its own detachement so you are going to take one or two extra legion specific ones when compared to your opponeny. This is a nice bonus and I won't say this is worthless, but this is far from making up for the shit tier legion trait they have.
>>96282822Nah, DA are literally the worst of all 18 legions in the game currently. Detachments are far secondary in importance and power compared to legion trait bonuses.
A prime buff doesn't come anywhere close to adding 10-20 extra attacks to a unit, nor to unit-wide -1S from every enemy gun, etc.
DA won a competition in the most useless category and lost in the more important category.
It's like getting fired from your job but on your way home you find a $5 bill on the sidewalk. Sure, your walk home today was better than everyone else maybe... but your actual total day was worse than everyone else.
Abby needs a new model badly, his current one sucks ass. I don't think it even fits his rules, since it doesn't have a bolter option
>>96283750Of course they're goign to be bad when compared to the top two legion traits. But I'd say it beats WB for example
>>96283767Proveably bullshit. People happily pay 10pts per unit for WB's trait. No one would pay for the DA trait (it doesn't do anything)
>>96283750Their trait literally doesn't work. It was never playtested
>>96283763The kit comes with a unique combi-bolter, actually.
Not that it makes his head or pose any better, mind you.
>>96283763I wonder how difficult it would be to convert the soh cataphractii praetor into an abaddon. Someone's probably done it before, right?
>>96283786the DA "trait" is the detachments. People would happily pay 10pts for each of their detachments
>>96283828I don't even know if he's in the new bigger scale. And the model doesn't share his weapons, so you might as well use a regular cataphractii
Do any legions have an advanced reaction that isn't once per game?
>>96283841Not at the cost of sacrificing their trait you dumb cunt
>>96283763it also has a pair of eyes between the hair
>>96283847Released 2022? so even ignoring the scenic rock he's quite a big bigger than the old kit.
Not as gigantic as the 2023 IF praetor though
>>96283890Probably suitable for Abaddon then.
>>96283846I hope this isn't yours anon, I don't mean to be rude, but that paint job is nowhere near done
>>96283852yeah, Nightlords run-away is infinite times.
White Scars deploy movement range rather than initiative (so 12"+ on jetbikes instead of like 4") is infinite times.
Retarded-World Eaters (not normal world eaters) has repeatable reaction making one unit or other have to charge.
Retarded-EmpChildren (not normal EC) has repeatable reaction to turn Stupid and get FNP5+ when enemy charges them.
SoH has infinite uses to just say no to challenges from bitches with lower weapon skill than every single SoH eligible to accept a challenge.
Alpha Legion has infinite use reaction to set enemy precision to nothing better than 6+ when enemy tries to shoot at them. Full enemy-at-the-gates winning sniper vs sniper shootouts if you're precisioning their sniper on 4+ and they need 6+ to hit yours.
>>96283767I can post 20 arguments why WB are better, but it's a waste of time. Both are shit-tier legions, DA is very slightly worse, but arguing about it is like arguing who wins the cripple fight while the rest of the class looks on.
The problem is retarded dark angels copers trying to argue they're actually not a cripple at all. Bunch of fucking retards.
So does vanguard work from routing someone off an objective in shooting? The other anon never responded and I can't seem to find anything in the FAQ.
Also do multiple instance of vanguard stack? If a MoS gives vanguard 1 to a unit with vanguard 3, is it effectively vanguard 4?
>>96281623Don't call It HH. Call It GC then
>>96283926vanguard is two situations
1. "if an attack made by (majority vanguard) causes the LAST enemy model controlling/contesting an objective to be removed as a casualty"
2. "majority vanguard has 1+ attacks made against enemy in melee, enemy had a model within 3" of an objective at START of assault phase, and the enemy unit FALLING BACK (a purely melee resolution outcome)
So if a Justaerin bolter spam manages to kill the last model holding the objective, that meets condition 1 and then they'd get 4 VP.
If they only shoot 9 of the 10 models on the objective, vanguard doesnt pay anything. If they kill 9 of the 10 in melee and the enemy unit doesnt run away, vanguard doesnt pay anything. If there were two enemy units and they scared away the 2nd that wasn't controlling the objective, vanguard doesn't pay anything (each player only gets to choose 1 single unit for each objective each turn, there's no sharing objectives)
>>96283948* this means, if your flamer panic(2) and the enemy runs off the objective without a full wipe, Vanguard pays nothing.
If you walk onto the objective and the enemy reacts by White Scar walking 7-14" away to go fight over a different objective, vanguard pays nothing as that wasn't in melee phase.
>>96283006IW chad, how do you get that weathered metal look? Painting SA and I can't figure out what to paint them so I want to give them a naked steel look.
>>96283919hey, at least their exclusive plasma guns are good right?
>>962830611.0 had strength 4 hand flamers
>>96282994>disintegrators are shit into most targets but become really points-effective into their intended targetsIt appears the only good target for disintegrators are the same Veterans that wield it; can't do much else at S4 AP3.
See I told you Banestrike should be S4 AP3 because that stat isn't all that scary, and you guys said it was. Well look at Disintegrators. Everyone says they suck, and the only reason they kinda work against this specific target is they are D2
>>96283003Sergeants don't get into duels unless they have Master sergeant. I think most swords could use being A+1.
So yeah all Charnabal gets outside duels is I+1, as breaching 6 is already provided by other power weapons now.
>>96281139 (OP)One thing I really love about heresy is that people actually give a shit about their army and models, countless fucking sloppers in 40k legit just buy armies for tournaments, spray them 3 colours and sell them next balance update.
Heresy at least it seems the community kinda self regulates and tells people who donโt care to fuck off
What do you think of my WIP death guard anons? Oils to grime him up soon
>>96283976Personally, black undercoat>heavy Iron Warriors overbrush>nuln oil>IW again>drybrush of Necron Compound>gloss varnish>burnt umber oil wash>burnt sienna oil wash>matt varnish>drybrush Necron Compound again on the starkest edges>sponge on Rhinox Hide>sponge on Leadbelcher
It seems probably overkill, but the iron is the majority of the scheme on tanks and infantry, and as we all know, from Iron cometh strength
>>96284018Have I captured the heresy vibe?
>>96284020Sometimes I'll really thin down some Skrag Brown and wash it into the recesses too
>>96283948>>96283963Alright, awesome. People on here seemed to have been implying you could panic someone off the objective and get vanguard and i couldn't find it anywhere but as expected they were wrong (many such cases on hhg).
Thanks for the clarifications anons
>>96283994The problem with disintegrators is theo verload part. Also, the heavier ones are good termie-killers
>>96283061>Twin heavy Flamer is Panic 2>Heavy Flamer is Panic 1>Flamer is Panic 1Hand flamer could totally afford being Panic 0
Fuck it, I'm going to make a houserule fix for 3.0 omg. Also, you could throw so e Phage T rad grenades. It won't activate there, but by the time you get to make a Firestorm volley attack, now those S3 hand flamers will wound just fine
>someone on your planet gooned to elves
>time to burn your entire culture down
Based?
>>96284041Ashen circle Chads stay winning with their panic(2) pistols
>>96284047no wonder the WB-UM rivalry lives on into m42
what legion has the most fun scheme to paint?
>>96284067If you have an air brush the OG blackish green IH is fun. Scuffing up metal is easy and fun after.
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But the 30k versions are dogshit nostalgia bait that no one asked for
>>96284041>Hand flamer could totally afford being Panic 0>Fuck it, I'm going to make a houserule fix for 3.0Seems reasonable. You can sneak in combi flamers just about anywhere so it's not like hand flamers are the panic spamming choice.
>>96283957>>96284029You can, because anon is wrong: if you are panicked in the shooting phase you don't run away. Panicked models only run away at the start of the movement phase, and at the end of the assault phase if they're In a combat (and the latter will trigger vanguard). You can panic a unit in the shooting phase and have them sit there quivering like little bitch babies before you charge them and automatically get your Vanguard points as long as you survive
>>96284135Oh, that's a really neat interaction. I thought statuses reset for some reason when you were charged, but them staying routed for the entirety of your melee is absolutely awesome, means those ashen circle are going to be absolutely disgusting at bullying power armour off objectives
What are some interesting loadouts tech priests?
Redoing some basing, and need to redo my cabinet. Someone asked me for one of these the other day, so here's everything minus my Mechanicum allies.
>>96284216Hell yeah. Ever do a campaign where you use all of your collection across battles like they're physically deployed at different locations?
>>96284216is the process for the tanks much different than the one for the marines?
>>96282049How'd Beta Garmon go for you?
>>96284216>Redoing some basingLooks great but I'd recommend not having all the skulls facing forward. My pattern seeking brain can't let it go.
>>96284215> Conversion Beamers> Fluff says main users are Techmarines> Vehicle mounts are rare> HH3.0 removes Techmarine access and the only C-Beams left are vehicles and Lernaeans.I know you meant Mechanicum loadouts but it still passes me off.
>>96284078Most fun as in, you know, fun to paint. The one that gives you the most freedom to make mistakes and have fun.
>>96284225Taking part in a slow grow 3.0 campaign at the moment, so who knows
>>96284247Exactly the same
>>96284252Some of them are looking sideways, but yeah, I see it too. I want to stick some barbed wire on, but there isn't really enough space on the 32mms
>>96284270Speaking of Cbeams, are they the beast dread loadout now? The nerfs dont hit at hard when firing blasts from across the board
>>96284289> Blast (3")No they suck next to Plasma Cannons. AP2/3 is cute but it doesn't compare to hitting twice as many models with Breaching(5+).
>>96282907>It doesn't effect tactical statuses or combat resolutionWhat if the DA trait was instead:
>DA may never have their leadership reduced by more than 1, additionally any Ld and Cool, checks may not be applied any penalties greater than 1That wording would encase both Fear, Panic, Stun, Suppress, Pinning and losing combats, no? Would that be a trait?
>>96284308I mean, doesn't it?
>>96282125Yeah, not saying it's amazing, but if you're confident that the barrage will wipe what remains of the unit, it's worth a shot.
A five man seeker squad is pretty great at messing with tacs. Ten shots at 30" with precision 4+ and panic 1 means that on average you'll kill the Sgt of a tac squad and then make them test on LD 6, which is around 58% chance of failure.
In general I feel like their guns having two shots is pretty stupid, all their ammo options are so good.
Speaking of which, what rounds do you think the shot selector options represent? Obviously breaching shots are Scorpius rounds, but I think the panic shots are probably infernus or some other variant of flame bolt rounds. The stun shots in more confused about, I guess it could be some kind of flak round? Like a higher explosive load to concuss the target unit.
>>96284216Tile Anon, give us a rating.
>>96283074I wish WB's trait was free Vexilla and +1 Ld. True believers bro
>>96284289They are pretty good but some of the other option are also great. There's not an overall best weapon I don't think
>>96284308>doesn't compare to hitting twice as many models with Breaching(5+).It very much does
>>96284345Which other options are great? the BS nerf hurts the others a lot more than the blast weapons, especially the short-range ones since your durability is also lower. And let's not even talk about the WS nerf, which is a double hit to melee and close range dreads
>>96284022That's a lovely Luna Wolf n.n
>>96284371>Hue DG logo in the chestAnon?
>>96284366Dreads are also cheaper and have an extra base attack. Idk why you are all acting like they are shit now
>>96284374It's very clean and sterile white, most HH DG I've seen are almost cream/tan white. It's well painted but I think it need a sepia shade or something
>>96284383Because WS4 makes you automatically useless in melee according to /hhg/
Points and number of attacks don't matter
>>96284385It's very clearly not done
>>96284216this wouldn't be a playable army, right? this wouldn't fit the new org chart entirely?
shame because it would look cool.
>>96284035It's a bit grim that, given the choice between FP1 S4 AP3 D2, and FP2 S7 AP4 Breaching 5...both are Zzz, especially against Terminators, the thing you do wish they were good against
>>96284399I don't know why people bitch and moan about the org chart, you just add more centurions as required
>>96284215Empty hands, frag grenades
>>96284399Not all of it together, but it's certainly made up of entirely playable units. Nothing got squashed by the new ed and everything else came back in Legacies. There's a couple more things I want to get, like some TSS and HSS to fill in gaps that my army now has, and I still need to figure out some detachment Jenga to get it all flowing properly.
>>96284270So much has been lost, never to be regained. Assume I just posted 1.0's whole ass page of techmarine options ;__;
>>96284429Gotcha.
I think for me one of the hardest things to grapple with in starting to play Heresy over 40k is being okay with owning models I don't use every game.
I've chosen the same legion as you so it's reassuring to see a collection like that.
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>>96284399>this wouldn't fit the new
Is it straight up impossible to assemble the Saturnine Centurion in the order in the instructions? I had to pull off the backpack to be able to get the cape on
>>96284047The only thing more based than Ashen Circle is Loyalist Ashen Circle, trolling WN and TSons by burning spellbooks and breaking summoning circles.
>>96284455It is a total pig to put together, I wrecked it the first time and had to kitbash my was out of it
>>96284455Yeah, you actually need to do the cape first, the instructions are nonsense.
>>96284366dual gravis fist with grav gun, heavy melta and havoc launcher is pretty cheap for something that shoots out 3 different status check
And 5 attacks that wound everything on 2s is still good no matter how much you all insist that they don't win combat against twice the points of terminators command squads
The plasma cannon is pretty good too and the meltagun has an absurd damage potential as well even if you have to get close. Las cannons are still pretty reliable
>>96284466>Loyalist word bearers Kill yourself
>>96284336They had Scorpius penetrators (breaching 4), which were seemingly combined with Kraken (FP2 30"). Good for them, really.
But the other round was Tempest, which I thought were going to be Pinning because they are exactly the same as Olympian shrapnel bolts. Idk where the Panic comes from either; it's as if they had taken Toxiferran Mortifier DG-UM bolts
>>96284440>>96284440Yeah, fair enough. A normal game of 3.0 would contain about 2/3rds to 3/4ths of what's on the table there. I originally built my army to a list I'd written in 2.0, but have been expanding over the summer with shit I either just thought was cool, or repurposed stuff from other Legion projects I'd started and abandoned. The regular Terminators are all from an IF project I started, and the Spartan, Land Raider, Deredeo and Venator are from a Word Bearer's project.
>>96284374I am poking you, saying that despite the DG icon, that white looks like the Luna Wolves' instead of the Death Guard's :^)
And fitting, because they fought together for centuries. It wouldn't be unheard of LW adopting honour markings from DG and vice versa
>>96284041Oh yeah, forgot about the Rad Grenades that's a good call. As of now the Assault Destroyers get the Rad Launcher as well too.
So yeah, that'd be quite a few hits on the volley as well, 5/4 double flamers all hitting two or three guys depending on angle or distance. Sure you need 4's to wound, but you've got a LOT of dice.
>>96284393This but unironically
>>96284366I cannot assure Gravis Bolt cannons of FP6 S5 D2 Heavy (FP) are good. But it is an interesting amount of D2. Hopefully something can be done with it?
>>96284537Gravis bolt cannons have a stupid amount of shots for whatever reason but so do gravis autocannons with S8. They are just the budget version
>>96284528>the Assault Destroyers get the Rad Launcher as wellBut they can't take that anon :^)
Read the entry
what legion is the least played? I want to be a special snowflake!
>>96282433>yellow with black trim>fists on shoulder pads>fists on the ends of pteurges>fist on the end of cordGetting some Imperial Fist vibes from this guy . . .
>>96283979You mean worse and more expensive than the default one ?
Quit it anon. DA have no other redeeming qualities than companions being good.
>>96284578Probably RG but the new rules might attract some waacfags
Blackshields or shattered legions are probably the least played overall
>>96284308Plasma cannons suck ass. Beamers are strictly better and no overload for damage 2 outside 15". Gun dreads shouldn't be that close to targets anyway.
>>96284562Gravis AC are FP3/4 and Gravis HB are FP6/7. The autocannon totally hits harder, but I do wonder if the heavy bolter hits often enough to be used for anything. Maybe it can be a threat to VEQ.
If both remain stationary they are identical against them, but if the gravis Autocannon moves, the HB is better. Ofc, it's also better against horde marines, which are a tarpit threat to dreads now, I think?
>>96284578Either White Scars or Salamanders
>>96284578>I want to be a special snowflake!Then just play Blackshields and come up with a /yourguys/ force that's actually unique.
>>96284578Traitor Space Wolves
Iron Hands, Iron Warriors, Sons of Horus or Death Guard, dudes? I canโt decide. I even like World Eaters.
>>96284606yea I think I read the gravis autocannon bater
What even has a gravis autocannon battery
>>96284578Traitor Custodes.
>>96284642What's your battle plan, anon? Also, unironically what's your mental/attitude impairment
What size of Tactical Squads, gents?
10, 15, 20?
>>96284642Not a lot of people do Iron Hands. There are a shit tonne of IW, SoH and DG players. Do a cool oil-slick, colour shifting green-purple, proper Iron Hands company. (No Shattered Legions crap).
>>96284659I like the idea of methodically gunning down the enemy, but chainaxes are cool. I guess Iโm depressed, but I have an explosive temper sometimes.
>>96284686I like 20 because it's thematic, but now it seems we're in Rhino Rush edition.
>>96284691Iron Warriors indeed
>>96284691>I guess Iโm depressed, but I have an explosive temper sometimes.You're an Iron Warrior, son.
>>96284642>Iron HandsWeak losers. They couldn't even keep their primarch alive.
>Iron WarriorsPathetic autists that couldn't even kill their primarch.
>Sons of HorusGangers without the noble creed of the Night Lords. Notice how neither of them could save daddy. Potential homosexuals.
>Death GuardSuch a weak primarch he was manipulated by everyone, including his own captains.
>World EatersYeah, okay. Go for it. They did their best to get Angron killed. Not their fault Russ didn't have the balls to go through with it.
>>96284687I never liked the oil slick look, battered black iron just looks better to me.
>>96284691You're an Iron Hand
>>96284441hh3 and endtimes were great.
>>96284691IH, company of bitter iron.
>>96284642throw dice to decide. If you feel you don't like the result, remove it from the list
>>96284691Total Iron Warriors Chad, t b h
>>96284705Bait used to be believable.
>>96284696>>96284698>>96284710>>96284702>>96284708Well that narrows it to the two that interest me most
>>96284579I hadn't noticed the fists on the pteruges, they look like sex toys
>>96284699Not really the IHโs fault Ferrus ran into the jaws of the trap like a retard and got his head sliced off by one of the more dangerous primarchs. Also
>noble creed of the Night LordsLmao what creed, getting raped by Dark Angels?
>>96284587baller aesthetic and paint scheme, those things carry over between editions
>>96284732Yeah, that looks great. Morragul is the only clan as far as Iโm concerned.
>>96284718its not bait, but I have yet to play hh3 but it all looks fun.
Endtimes were genuinely fun though, even if it left me only playing with 6 people at pretty much the end of it.
>>96284726Welcome to the 4th legion, son, there's a lot of us in this general.
>96284760
>still trying to bait using failed bait
Sad. Pathetic, even.
>>96284754does each clan have their own scheme? I only know that one and the red shoulder one
>>96284742>getting raped by Dark Angels?Someone had to satisfy their homosexual desires. They're martyrs, anon. Respect their sacrifice.
>>96284399>this wouldn't fit the new org chart entirely?Probably would, at least assuming theres some commanders in there.
>>9628468612 for optimal rhino usage
You no longer need to take 10 guys or walk up the board
>>96284772Not really, even morragul only uses red shoulders for the personal guard of Autek Mor. Each clan does have different insignia however.
>>96284772I think the only one that differs from the standard black and gunmetal canonically is Morragul, but thereโs an anon here who does his IH in a proto-Brazen Claws blue and red quartered scheme that looks really good.
>>96284772We genuinely don't know. Clan Lore is a footnote at best.
> Morragul has red accents, is a sump for degenerates, and is led by Autek Mor. Their Immortals are allowed to bear Clan colours.> Avernii are all dead on Istvann> Raukann are especially angryCongratulations you are now fully educated on the Clans. Please pick your favourite emblem and it's all headcanon from here out.
>>96284808Post-Heresy but
>Kaargul is so traumatized by the death of Ferrus they keep a vigil on a frozen patch of Medusaโs wasteland in the hopes heโll just magically return there
>DA players have proven once and for all that they are more insufferable than BA players>>96284808There is that one clan from the martian civil war that had a bunch of guys supporting the traitors
>>96284830BA players don't exist. At least the DA aesthetic draws in players even when their rules aren't stellar. BA look like stormcast eternals
>>96284790Galaxy brain, anon, I can't believe I didn't think of that.
>>96284830>>DA players have proven once and for all that they are more insufferable than BA playersWas that ever in doubt? BA players are the chillest loyalists
I have this guy ready to paint and I want to try a very weathered look but not my usual blackshield or scheme. What legion should I do? I was thinking Imperial Fists but maybe dubs decides?
>>96284830>insufferable BA playersuh? why?
They've never been OP in any HH edition, right?
I'm interested in BA...
>>96284808Each clan is supposed to have roots in the medusan techno-cultist/barbarian clans too but we don't know nothing about those individually either so fml.
>>96282814>>96282797>>96284319>>96282907>waaaa waaaaaaa stubborn(6) is too bad give us our +1 to hit with everything waaaaa waaaaaaaaa having the best detachments doesent compensate for a utilitarian legion trait waaaaaaaaJesus DA players are whiny little cunts arent they
>>96282814Because loyalty is it's own reward, you don't need a trait as well.
>>96284843AL operative helping the group for it's own reasons.
>>96284843No ornamentation leaves BA, EC, TS and SW out. I'd say DG or IW would be a great fit, IF too. if you're good at freehanding patterns, IH and DA might be good options, as would AL. Can never go wrong with SoH
>>96283203Something very funny looking about this. Like 1 step away from a space marine driving a car.
>>96281952Coming back here for a moment.
Iron Havocs ignore cover rule doesn't seem worth the price.
Maybe I trim the autocannon squad down to 5, change the two Havocs to regular HSS, and use the points that saves me on some Predators?
>>96284843Because
>>96284888 didn't pick, I say Alpha Legion
>>96284897I agree, iron havocs are pretty disappointing. Definitely save the points for better things.
>>96284944How do you weather metallics though?
>>96284893>driver: trying to concentrate on driving>passenger:
>>96284847They had an OP weapon in 1.0 and asscanons everywhere but that's about it.
>>96284963You take a very small piece of sponge or foam, you get some metal like silver on it, dab it very carefully to create chipping, repeat with some black.
>>96284963Depends, I would just use some matt varnish and pigments. Maybe some chipping with sponges or the hairspray technique but for AL it's excessive methinks.
>>96284897definitely never buy any havocs.
Cover saves are not a thing. 4+ terrain isn't even allowed this edition because it ruins the game. 6+ terrain it wouldn't ever be worth 60 points. 5+ terrain would be very rarely worth 60 points but only on a small ratio of the enemy units, and it'd only be worth 60 points if it didn't require standing still - which is entirely a stupid bullshit handicap.
So literally never run havocs ever.
I like getting raped. What legion is best for me?
>>96284981What's so bad about the terrain? I don't have my BRB yet.
>>96284990Blood Angels. Sang got bodied so hard every marine with his geneseed will inevitably become THE RAPED at some point.
>>96284981Anon youre firing heavy weapons, youre already always standing still.
>>96284997I think he means paying the extra 60p over a HSS to ignore it is not worth it.
Terrain rules are kinda bad. You only get 4+ save on area terrain that blocks LoS so go figure that out...
Medium terrain that gives a 5+ save doesn't allow LoS either if you are shooting through more than 3" of it
>>96284864Fuck off already. If the DA legion trait is trash, people are right to say it.
Oh and your โb-but best detachments!!โ excuse is as convincing as a toddler claiming their toy car can win Le Mans. You're just voicing cope and hot air at this point.
Since voicing an opinion makes me a โwhiny little cunt,โ then you must be the tone deaf kid clapping off-beat at the back of the class.
>>96285050>If the DA legion trait is trash, people are right to say it.Which it isnt, which is what makes DAfags such crybaby little bitches. It is at worst boring, its a perfectly good utilitarian legion trait that provides a relevant minor defensive benefit.
>excuse is as convincing as a toddler claiming their toy car can win Le MansBecause DAfags are retarded toddlers who are naturally not going to be convinced by true things that go against their hurt feelings.
>>96285031What did Guilliman do to El'Jonson in the bedroom????
>>96285050Speaking of detachments.
Reaping Host from Death Guard, the 2x Troop, 1x Support, 1x Heavy Assault, is like, the IDEAL Aux detachment for how I like to play.
But I collect IW.
Is this how they get me to start a second legion?
>>96285060>dark angels trait isnt trashI rate your bait a 0/10, go back to your gay porn
So if people stop letting me play TSons what legion should I play? The only other one I think is interesting is White Scars but I don't wanna buy a bunch of bikes
>>96284691If you weren't depressed, you'd like SoH. But depresso is IW espresso
>>96284990there's flavours of rape
>DA: quietly raped by creepy uncle and kept a family secret forever after>EC: practically asking for it>IW Raped in a prison shower >WS: Raped by tribals >SW: raped by a wolf>IF: raped by sergeant in mess showers>BA: raped by teacher at school>IH: raped by jocks in highschool showers>WE: raped with a broken bottle>UM: raped by cousin on a playdate>DG: raped by dirty hobos>TS: raped while on LSD>SoH: raped by a sex cult>WB: raped by a priest>Sallies: raped by black sports coach>RG: raped by older cool kid you had a crush on but turned out bad>AL: raped by blackmailing co-worker
>>96284754>Morragul is the only clanRip Avernii I guess oof
>>96285121Okay, it seems like the three I most identify with are EC, SW, and IH. Thank you, anon.
>>96285114Just play thousand sons what kind of wuss are you?
>>96285121>SW: raped by a wolfMale or female?
>>96284864I literally asked for Stubborn (-1), not any +1 to hit boy did I consider it lmao
>>96285145>I literally asked for Stubborn (-1)Yea, that would be bullshit. Stubborn is insanely broken "my praetor is capped at LD9" would be insane.
>>96284981>>96282643>>96282741>>96282765Can't help being bitter when stuff is overcosted
>>96285066He clenched too hard
>>96283333They definitely have one of the best, but I think that Alpha Legion have great helmets as well. And the Iron Hands one is pretty good too
>>96284864It doesn't work against tactical statuses, and it doesn't work in combat resolution
>>96285060I play DA and think it's boring, but alright, but hope people keep sayings it's the worst thing ever so when we do okay in tourney rankings we can claim to be superior players.
>>96285173Truly the biggest brain of plays
>>96285060It will not come into play once, you Pardo-sucking brainlet, so spare me the delusion that itโs some hidden gem.
If you honestly think โboring but minorly usefulโ is a good legion trait, then you're clutching a participation ribbon to a rule and parading it like itโs a championship belt. The only thing itโs winning is Most Pathetic Cope you color tasting idiot.
And if weโre the โretarded toddlersโ in your little fairy tale, then youโre the drooling, glue-snorting mascot of mediocrity, shoving fistfuls of Elmerโs down your throat while insisting itโs a five-star meal โbecause technically itโs not toxic.โ You donโt just fail to prove your point: you drag it face-first through the mud until even the dirt feels insulted.
>>96285173Have you played a game yet? Leadership drops capped at 6? It never kicks in
>>96285121>shattered legions: gangraped>Knights errants: raped by police officer>Blackshields: raped by pirate, rape preceding a suicide pact, raped at an orphanage, raped at Epstein Island, raped by dumb bodybuilder, raped by duellist, raped by creature beyond human understanding, raped by old men, raped by underage teens, rape by cripple...
The DA fear capped at 1 trait is also complete dogshit.
IT ONLY AFFECTS 4 UNITS IN THE GAME
>Angron transfigured
>Fulgrim transfigured
>Curze
>Sevatar
>>96285179It is better to be mediocre than clinically retarded you inbred troglodyte.
Its a universally useful rule that will come up a lot because leadership tests come up a lot.
>>96285179Why are you so mad about a literally who content creator
>>96284997they tied vision to save. There's only cover saves for area-terrain not any other kind. And every area terrain piece must have a fully defined footprint which is used for vision.
You can't have a 4++ terrain without it being a harry potter invisibility field. If you step a toe into it you are immune to 100% of things other than mortars, as any unit touching Heavy Terrain is instantly invisible, cannot be seen or shot or charged or meleed. Only splashing indirect mortars into the black hole can do anything.
6++ doesnt really matter in the slightest except to physically block vision by being a wall. If your unit is entirely out of sight, then the 6++ never mattered in any way, so "ignores cover" is a useless rule. If they are in sight, then you get a 17% dmg increase vs light cover and only if your weapon AP was better than their armor (and for iron havocs only if standing still as well). LoS rule was rewritten in 3rd so if 1 model can be seen, casualties can be inflicted on the entire unit, so you can see 1 guy stick his head up and get 20 kills off that 1 guy and the entire unit dies, making Light Cover worthless in-game.
5++ is a pain to put on boards using many club's already existing area terrain pieces which were created for other non-shitty tabletop games, because any line of sight more than 3" becomes full invisibility in HH3 (immune to shooting and immune to charges even 3.1" away and visible to the player himself), so you'd have to very carefully redesign and cut skinnier footprints otherwise there can be an entire congo line against a night club wall that are all invisible to enemies shooting down the side. If every club re-builds 12 pieces of terrain specifically for HH3 5++ terrain it may barely be minimally-acceptable.
For some reason ignore-cover gear does literally nothing to fix the cover vision issue. Havocs special ignore-cover goggles doesn't stop someone in a rubble field going entirely invisible. That wouldve been worth +60 pts
>>96285190How often will you be dropping to 6 leadership retard? This is not combat resolution, as that modifies the roll not the leadership.
>>96285188The latter part only applies to 4 units in the entire game
>>96285203>Panic>losing combat>FearTake your pick
>>96285121What about NL or are they the rapists
>>96284772Someone correct me, but I remember seeing in a video a clan of IH that obviously was black but also had green pcb in their armor. I've been trying to find such clan but I can't
>>96285199I see, thank you for explaining.
I take it this is why every batrep I've watched has been running ALL of their terrain as Light Terrain?
>>96285220Sons of Medusa? More a successor chapter but. Fits right?
>>96285068>Reaping Host from Death Guard, the 2x Troop, 1x Support, 1x Heavy Assault, is like, the IDEAL Aux detachment for how I like to play.Just what is your style, anon? Sounds interesting
>But I collect IWMy fluff is an IW group that has a DG detachment as chemical corps
>>96285199>as any unit touching Heavy Terrain is instantly invisibleNo, you just cant see through it. If you have one guy out of it, you can be shot as normal.
>>96285152A regular Praetor tests Phosphex at Ld8, like that is an insane improvement, anon
>>96285245>A regular Praetor tests Phosphex at Ld8LD7, 10-3 is 7 anon. Cmon you did this in primary school.
>>96285190>troglodyte.โTroglodyteโ? Bold choice of vocabulary for you. Thatโs at least three evolutionary steps ahead of where your brain stalled.
>Its a universally useful rule that will come up a lot because leadership tests come up a lot.So you're loudly farting out your dumb opinion and trying to convince yourself itโs divine truth now ? It's alright. you can stop now.
>>96285163what do the IH helmets even look like? Regular helmets with lenses?
>>96285190The DA trait doesn't ever come up, you faggot troll.
Panic(1/2) weapon - is not fear. DA get nothing. Does it reduce Ld to 5? No, DA get nothing.
Suppression(1/2) gun - nothing for DA at all.
Pinning (1/2) - nothing for DA at all.
Stun (1/2) - nothing for DA at all.
Are we noticing a pattern yet?
Losing in melee? Nothing for DA at all. The combat resolution modifies a combat roll it doesn't change the leadership characteristic itself.
The DA trait works on Fear2 from Konrad Curze, Sevatar, DaemonAngron & DaemonFulgrim. It doesn't help help against Horus Ascended at 850 points. If someone could buy the DA trait for 1 point per squad, they literally would never buy it unless they just happened to have 1-4 points left over and nothing else to do with them.
>>96285252Phosphex is panic 3?? Woah wtf, gotta buy some actually
>>96285265Yes. Phosphex is panic 3, super-napalm is scary.
>>96285258DA Stubborn -1 would affect all of that, just saying :^)
>>96285205it does literally nothing to fear1, so yes, 4 units in the entire game. DA literally have no trait at all unless you're fighting night lords named characters, $300 daemon primarchs or phosphex-spammers.
>>96285293>it does literally nothing to fear1Except mean it cannot bring you to below LD6.
>>96285297list all the dark angel units which are Ld6, please, mental retard kid.
A tactical squad is Ld8. 8 - fear1 = 7. 7 is not 5, dark angels trait does literally nothing.
If a sniper executes the sergeant, Ld7 minus 1 for fear is 6. 6 is not less than 6, dark angels literally doesnt even have a trait.
You should really go jump off a bridge.
>>96285232Reaping Host would let me flood the board with 2x Breachers, 1x TSS or HSS and the Heavy Assault, now with Legacies, Destroyer squads to round it off.
I'm not a strong player, I like to build my lists based on what would look cool on the table, so running 3x Reaping Hosts would give me 60 Breachers, a bunch of heavy or special weapons, and a ton of Volkite.
>>96285312Thats crazy, so what happens if someone with fear(1) fires a panic(1) flamer at you? Whats 7-2?
>>96285320considering a tactical squad is actually ld8, if you're 12" from a fear model with a flamethrower and then he also has a sniper take out the sergeant, then for the first time ever dark angels would temporarily have an insignificant trait. It just requires a 3 piece combo and at Ld6 your dark angels still run away 58.33% of the time, congrats. You've lost the game.
>>96285336>if you kill your opponent's sergeants, they win
>>96284843model already looked like shit and you made it look much worse. You're way too proud of screwing it up.
>>96284843I knew it looked familiar...
>>96285359wow that's a whole lotta words
post models
>>96285229I'm going take a screenshot of the Iron Hand of the video but I'm pretty sure it was a clan since he was black with one pauldron green and some green markings on the helmet
>>96285320Wow you're right that is a powerful ability that will go off in most games
>>96285377Now what happens if someone fires panic(3) phosphex at you? Or has aflame(X) weapons?
>>96285383NTA but you're kind of proving why it's a dogshit legion trait. Most legion traits aren't conditional on your opponent bringing certain things or having very specific combo pieces to trigger.
Off the top of my head I can only remember the WE hereticus trait (which everyone called horrible when it was revealed).
I don't bring phosphex, and have almost never played against anyone who brings it. If I fought against a DA list, they essentially have no legion trait, and I'm sure the amount of lists without phosphex far outnumber the ones with it.
Do the Liber Astartes books have the make-up of a Legion/what armor mks they used? Iโve been collecting Ultramarines and Emperorโs Children in 40K, but Iโve reached the end of the models I want to but from those ranges. Definitely a long term goal as I finish painting everything up, but I wouldnโt mind starting 30K parallel forces.
>>96285469All Legions used all marks eventually. Horus couldn't pull off blatantly excluding non-allies from new materiel.
>>96285139>I swear by pointy, knotted cocks, we will avenge this slight.
>>96285312do you know how melee works
have you ever played any edition of 40k at all
are you aware that 2/5 and 1/4 and 1/6 and 1/12 and 1/36 represent the possibilities of passing that post-melee morale check at Lds 6, 5, 4, 3 and 2
this trait means big troop blobs that the game has been trying to force for DA since the start of last edition will stay in the fight 2/5 of the time regardless of damage, so you need to absolutely obliterate them
it's a tarpit attribute
this is deliberate
you are dumb
>>96285469All legions used all armor types, some had preferences or were using older armor more because of logistical issues
Off the top of my head:
>AL preferred Mk4 and then later Mk6>WS were in mostly Mk2 until they got resupplied near the end of the heresy and were rocking Mk6 and even Mk7>DG/IW loved Mk3, hated Mk6>Traitors in general used a lot more Mk4, except TS who were mostly in earlier marks because they were too dead to wear the later ones.>Loyalists were mostly in older armor Mk2/Mk3, but got a fair bit of Mk6 later on. RG more so.So Mk2 for your Ultramarines and Mk4 for your Word Bearers is pretty normal, but you wouldn't be breaking any rules or canon by using any of the existing armor marks with either of those legions.
>>96285229This was the Iron Hand I saw
Do any non marine flyers historically have Hover? Writing homebrew rules to allow flyers to stay in hover or cruising so they can both be useful more than once and also actually get shot.
>>96285521>Do you know how melee worksDo you?
Those blobs are still running away from melee, the DA trait won't trigger on the end of combat routed check because it doesn't modify Leadership by instead the result of the leadership check
>>96285521NTA, but one of the reasons why DAtards are raging is because technically combat losses modify the roll,not the characteristic. It's the same stupidity of how telepathy last edition ignored stubborn. Personally, if I was playing I'd obviously give it to the DA player because otherwise the trait doesn't make sense
>>96285521It doesn't work in melee because it doesn't reduce your Ld, it applies a penalty to the roll. DA, and indeed every other Legion, are still Ld7/8 regardless if how much they lose by. They just get hammered by a massive modifier to the roll.
Where do I go from the saturine box for white scars in 3.0
I was thinking like 4 rhinos at least. Maybe
>>96285587Master of Descent for your fatass termies?
>>96285587You take a spirit quest to the far orient and order some recast bikes and speeders
>>96285587At least 2 rhinos
>>96285553Arvus
Why are Predators never in stock?
I just wanted two, James.
>>96285640Apparently they are undercosted and everyone wants them.
At least that's what my retailer friend says
>>96285668They are 100 points for the chassis, so I believe that.
How do I moritat? What units should they go in? Also, would anyone know where I can find other pics of this build? My google fu is failing me
>>96285692You hope they give him Bitter Duty so he can properly join Destroyers like his fluff text says.
>>96285692>shartmaris parts>illegal build
>>96285697>Checks unit>No bitter dutyFuck, you're right. It's weird that they didn't add it in, but I imagine nobody would be opposed to houseruling it
Finally got a game of 3.0 in.
It was kill points with Custodes which is pretty silly.
Jetbikes are insanely funny. Had my 3 man blow up a Karaknos t1 but died between return fire and overwatch on my turn.
>>96285697Real.
>>96285713>imagine nobody would be opposed to houseruling itCorrect. Also Moritats need an auto-bolt or stub-bolter option. something like
>R12" FP4 RS4 AP5 S1 Suppressive(1)Maybe remove base suppressive, 3 shots, and add shot selector? Plasma is still better at wounding with S8 and always breaching 4+, volkite is still the dakka. Bolt can be the all-rounder.
>>96285713There's really no point in putting a moritat with destroyers and they made it so he could join other units last edition so I'm pretty sure that's intended
Ironically he's better fit is probably in an outrider unit since they move close to the same and they have the same target with plasma
You could also use it to give a unit firestorm but there's not a lot of them that benefit
Maybe a TSS with the assault weapons like flamers or volkite chargers since those don't really want to be in melee but benefit a lot from shooting twice a turn
>>96285775Moritats are lone killers and should not be joining any unit
>>96285775Why is there no point in putting him with Destroyers? They are both firestorm abusers that want to target light/medium infantry at close range.
>>96285692That looks fucking great, and it's an intense disgrace bolt pistols are laughably bad on Destroyers, so much that Moritats don't even bother taking them anymore. I call for them to have "Destroyer bolt pistols" of idk Panic 0? D2?
Please someone edit the pic so that the Phosphex bombs are his buttocks
https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-horus-heresy-rpg/preview-gen-con-2025
Has this been talked about?
>>96285775>he's better fit is probably in an outriderCan't mix primary unit types. Besides Moritat in Destoyers is COOL.
>>96285782They should have bitter duty regardless.
>>96285758That's interesting
>>96285789cuz they can both do that separately. The moritats plasma guns are S8 and the serpentas S6, he doen't need the rad grenades at all and he can give the benefit of firestorm to a unit that doesn't have it
I think destroyers are pretty good against MEQs but putting a moritat with them would be pretty overkill. He can kill 6 of them by himself
>>96285825Wait, his Firestorm would be conveyed to the entire unit he joins?
Shit, I might have to get one.
Is the melta pred still good?
>>96285821Need a snappy name. Auto Bolt Pistol is meh. Maybe just straight up Kraken Bolt Pistol? Kharybdis Bolt Pistol?
>>96285800the cubicle 7 guys have done a few YT interviews on it which I think got mentioned here
>>96285839preds are good in general
>>96285798 Destroyers with bolt pistols should fire rad-bolts.
>>96285854they should get lastrum bolt pistols
What are Marines best sources of Vanguard?
>>96285496>>96285532I see, thatโs actually a big help as where to start.
>>96285860Varies by legion
>>96285854Destroyers shouldn't have guns but should have frag, krak, and rad grenades, melta bombs, and phospex bombs.
>>96285873At that point just turn them into this guy
>>96285877Yes, that's correct.
>>96285843Corvid or Raven Pattern because RG invented Moritats and because 3 birds is a murder
>>96285837Not the shooting at full BS, that's per model, but the part about not having to go through with the charge applies to any unit with a model that has it
WB bros, are mhara Ghal worth it this edition? I'm happy ashen circle seem absolutely amazing but I wanna know if I'm shooting myself in the foot taking my gross little guy
>>96285775Wait he confers firestorm to the unit?
>>96285932okay, so Moritats are amazing in SoH then
>>96285914Mhara gal is the only marine dreadnought which still has WS 5
>>96285914No, they're priced like elite Terminators with thunder hammers but have the output of foot vets with power weapons because GW way overvalues 3W. I'd say take a minimum squad of 5 for fear (1) funsies, but then GW gave us diabolists and you could technically buy burning lore I guess (don't) so they're completely useless. Could run them as tartaros command with malefic upgrade and twin lightning claws I guess.
>>96285692>My google fu is failing meYou are weak and so's your google-fu.
>>96285692Took less than a minute to sift this out. 's by a guy named Peter Bolger.
Also, fuck Pinterest with a rusty hacksaw.
>>96285942It's not like it's an amazing ability desu. You still can't shoot with non assault weapons.
And you are very unlikely to end up stunned from failing a charge as a marine.
If you don't want to be in melee you can charge from the longest distance and not make a step-up move if you don't want to get into melee.
>>96285958>>96285969Where is the belt buckle from
>>96285958>Pr*maris pistolsIf I ever see this model in real life I'll smash it on the ground and crush it under my boot.
>>96285860Probably siege terminators with autocannons overall. Vanguard 3, solid shooting, and can melee. Depends on your legion, what's holding the objective, etc though.
>>96285981No clue, but you can make that from plasticard in, like, two minutes.
>>96285944... I think you're trying to talk about Gal Vorbak, not Mhara Ghal the dreadnought which he asked about.
>>96285988No you won't, fatty.
>>96285467The Hereticus WE trait is, by itself, terrible, I think the point of that """Rite of War""" is actually the reaction. Which isn't limited to once a game like the basic one is.
(Baffling design choice there, but... welcome to 3.0 I guess.)
So yeah, you fail a panic check, then you immediately lose Panic, and can't be panicked until you run out of people to charge. Sure.
But the reaction at least has the trigger of "did some fucker have the termerity to kill one of your dudes in the Volley step?" whereupon you instantly go into the Super Siayan Nails Mode, YOU NOW CHARGE THEM so they don't get any Impact Hit or Charge bonuses, and even if you fail, you still get the Nails mode, which is +1 Attack and makes you LD10.
So... sure you need to be charged to get that off, but that seems like a much more likely scenario, what's he gonna do? Not try and charge you off the point with his Vanguard (3) terminators? Well, there's 300pts that isn't doing it's job.
That said, the normal WE trait is better, hands down, since it's encouraging you to do the thing you're supposed to be doing, rather than trying to force you opponent to do something. But, it's not absolutely terrible in the same way the DAngle one is.
>>96285800I was wondering just recently if they were gonna do this. I do think there's some good scope for campaigns here. Assuming they give us enough details to do the Great Crusade as well as the Heresy.
The existence of a whole second shooting phase in the charge rules for certain units really is an odd one. Some Mech units have the Firestorm/Implacable Advance combo, and while the Thanatar lascannon is Ordnance so that doesn't work the Vultarax can basically fire twice a round if the vehicle it's harassing can't do anything to it with Volley Fire.
>>96285825>>96285837>>96285906>>96285942Holy shit. I completely missed that Moritats don't have Bitter Duty any more. They literally CAN'T join Destroyers anymore.
>>96285940>rejecting Ferrusโs teaching and the bond of your clan-brothers>not wanting the most brutal payback possible for his death>throwing in with scum like megafaggot Fulgrim, brainlet Perturabo and literal retard AngronPathetic
>>96285958>>96285969Those pistols are horrific
>>96286052have one on me, anon
>vet tactical squad with vplkite chargers, one meltagun and one missile launcher
Is this viable? Or rather, does this loadout make any sense?
>>96286065>luv me bile>luv me exposed guts>luv me Nurglins>ate Tzeentch>ate soap>ate Thousand Sons (am racist, I truly despise 'em)
>>96286052If he died he was clearly a faggot too weak to live.
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>>96286066Sure, why not.
Meltagun is not the optimal anti MEQ but if the whole unit is going to be in close range, might as well.
The missile launcher should probably be switched for a multimelta tho. It becomes a significant amount of anti tank at that point. And moving doesn't hurt it that much
I'll need to boil the cables when I get home to bend them properly but until then it's done.
>>96286115>done.With all those hideous leftover elements? Like hell you're done, mate. Get to filing!
>>96286115Still unsure if this is a ragebait model or not
>>96286111I was thinking of the flexibility of missiles since they still work as antitank but also anti infantry and do statuses. But yeah I also have some multimeltas I can use, that's a good idea. Is a land raider explorator a good transport for these?
>>96286137I think you need to make a cool check
>>96286146missile launchers don't do any statuses I don't think
If you want status effects any of them can take combiweapons. Grav and flamer work for that. You can also put a havoc launcher on the land raider. It's probably a good transport if you have the points
>>96286111>"one multimelta is a significant amount of antitank"Terminally retarded.
It's especially stupid because only tanks are allowed to split fire. If you want to shoot 1 multimelta (which doesnt even have a 50% chance to kill a basic cheap rhino), the 9 expensive veteran volkites are not shooting at all that turn.
>>96286146What about a heavy flamer? I don't know why you're mixing anti tank with anti infantry
>>96286203a missile launcher or MM will probably have a better chance to kill a marine than a heavy flamer desu
>>96286218>Page 7Oof, Anon.
>>96285819Lmao based thanks
>>96285988>>96286062lord forbid an officer have unique custom pistols
>>96285856That would be nice too.
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