Thread 96282002

What is the appeal of Stormcast Eternals exactly?

>>96282002 (OP)
there is no appeal
99% of age of sigmar "fans" are coping total war fans who bought into the game before old world released since it was the only supported option for the factions in total war, and now they have sunk cost fallacy to the degree they'll zealously defend this horseshit instead of just heading over to old world
think about it, when do you ever see sigcucks talk about worldbuilding, lore, new faction ideas, the new storyline in the books, etc.? Fucking never.
Instead siggy piggies are almost entirely focused on wishlisting their favorite old world factions and fantasy characters they want in the game. How curious...

>>96282002 (OP)
Not much judging by their sales number. But the idea was to offer fantasy counterpart to Space Marines.

>>96282002 (OP)
the mistake was only having access to one wind of magic

>>96282002 (OP)
none

>>96282002 (OP)
being gay

>>96282002 (OP)
Literally the biggest fuck up GW has ever done. They should have leaned into Dark Souls super knightly orders. Just giant bad ass knight warriors chopping chaos warriors in half.
Stormcasts are just golem warriors of sigmar.

Chaos Warriors are STILL the sole marines of fantasy.

>>96282002 (OP)
I dunno marines kinda suck. Should have given them light armor and I would care more.
>inb4 Phobos
Nah that’s dogshit.

>>96282002 (OP)
'Good' fantasy super soldiers since there's already bad fantasy super soldiers. Did that work? Probably not.
I like some of their flashier angelic units, but they're still pretty bland overall.

>>96282002 (OP)
Ground Marines

>>96282002 (OP)
They were supposed to be Fantasy Space Marines.

However, it is impossible to judge them favorably for a few reasons:

1) As has been mentioned, they are being compared to their counter-parts; the Space Marines. Space Marines are one of the most iconic figures in modern Sci Fi. This is a VERY tall bar to pass.

2) They are the poster-children for a new setting which destroyed a beloved setting. I am convinced that GW was going to TRULY sun-set the Old World. The fact that Age of Sigmar's reception was so luke-warm is the only reason they brought back the Old World.

3) They started out with a bad design. I mean, look at pic related. Why are they all fat sumo wrestlers? GW eventually came to their senses and gave them better proportions, but by then it was too late. The first impression was ruined.

They never stood a chance. I understand that GW was trying to attract a new crowd that was more interested in World of Warcraft/Marvel stuff, but what they produced just didn't satisfy new customers or old customers. Now they are stuck with a mediocre mess.

>>96282002 (OP)
Idk with the Bonereaper dudesthey seem like the weakest visually

>>96282316
Another big failure of the Stormcast was the lore where they'd lose their memories and personality the more they died and were reforged until they were just automata doing what Sigmar commanded. Which is perfectly grim and dark and well within Warhammer's wheelhouse.
The issue is that they didn't give the Stormcast personalities to begin with and have been ham-fistedly working backwards ever since.

>>96282464
>The issue is that they didn't give the Stormcast personalities to begin with
Damn so they really are space marines then.
Chaos warriors get a w yet once again.

>>96282002 (OP)
>big
>hammer
>lightning
>the most popular thing to ever exist on Earth has Thor in it
Happy coincidence AoS has a combo that just works with a lot of people.

>>96282002 (OP)
The Gollum Game of tabletop miniatures

>>96282464
>the lore where they'd lose their memories and personality the more they died and were reforged until they were just automata doing what Sigmar commanded.
Yeah, this is easily one of the worst pieces of lore GW could have attached to Stormcast.

People like getting attached to characters. Why in the world would you make a piece of lore that says your favorite character is eventually going to turn into a mindless automaton? Yeah, it's grim-dark, but couldn't they come up with lore that allows for individualism? This is an arts-and-crafts do-it-yourself hobby. Nobody wants to make a character who will 100% eventually lose their mind.

Space Marines just don't have this problem. They can be as bland or characterful as you want them to be for however long you want.

>>96282002 (OP)
There isnt one, they’re marines with all the edges that make them interresting sanded off
>>96282228
This could’ve worked but only because dark souls also has drama to it like the space marines.
Stormcasts „you lose your memories when you do very slowly „
Doesn’t cut it at all.
Especially since that just makes them less interesting

>>96282535
>Space Marines just don't have this problem.
lol. Lmao. Sorry but no. The most memorable characters are either your primarchs or the stooge from space marine 2. You wish marines could be as characterful as something like Throgg or sigvald.

>>96282550
>t. secondary that just parrots bullshit he reads online and doesn't know dick about actual spess mahreens

>>96282535
Honestly losing their mind is find, memento mori
But there has to be more drama attached to it and more life
The stornies already lived their life and are now weapons of war anyway.
Space marines are the other way around, they start out as mindwiped super soldiers and develop personalities as they go on which maps way better to a wargame too.
It helps however that they can actually die…
Sigmarines got the entire process the wrong way.
That’s like coming to a TTRPG table with a 200 page backstory at level 1 and then slowly erasing bits as you go

Overall this is an issue with GW, Newcrons aside they have a thing for consistently making factions get less and less potential for individuality

>>96282558
You could have tried proving me wrong with actual examples but you decided to undermine me.
Very interesting.wish I could say the same for marines.

>>96282567
Neither you nor your bait are worth the effort, kiddo.

>>96282571
But space marines are? Sad.

how many bait threads do we get this week? is this number 5? i kinda lost count after the others timed out so soon.

Anyways, cope, seethe, dilate, sneed and so on.

>>96282002 (OP)
Male power fantasy, but with swords and hammers instead of bolters and chainswords.

>>96282550
Where did I say GW made memorable characters?

Also, who the hell are Throgg and sigvald?

>>96282002 (OP)
space marines that are human necrons. they weren't good enough at writing to show them gradually losing themselves/getting flanderized, nor did they give them a command structure Easy to understand.

>>96282002 (OP)
Unironically? They've been a challenging army because of weak rules and high cost, they're fairly elite and bulky but low damage which makes for an interesting playstyle based on board control, and they (used to) do interesting things with mortal allies. They had some cool models too

>>96282002 (OP)
They really thought they were going to bring in 40K faggots into the game with them as they are essentially Space Marines but instead they are the creations of Sigmar himself, And they thought they were going to get unabashedly praised, advertised, heralded as progressive icons getting all the wokies and minorities to dip in as browns (uplifted pygmies) and women are in the mix, unlike those Space Marines chuds.

>>96282626
NTA but Throgg is an intelligent and eloquent troll king, he's cool. Sigvald is Slaanesh's babyboy gigachad, with all the good and bad that involves, he's neat.

>>96282464
#sigmarlied was a fucking awful idea. All that build up about ruined stormcast and what did it actually amount to on the model? A slightly spiky collar

>>96282002 (OP)
Cool armor guy shoots lighting and has big hammer.

>>96282017
>TWW secondaries are now trying to somehow NO U Sigmar chads into being the TWW secondaries
lmao

>>96282002 (OP)
Chaos knights but gay brown/troon

>>96282002 (OP)
>wut if spess muhrines... but fantasy?!

too bad they look fucking stupid

they're super paladins
but i hate their helmets
why did they give them freaky death masks instead of actually being helmets

>>96282714
>#newAoS
Lmao you can literally smell the desperation. It’s so pathetic when corporations do this shit.

>>96282893
That's just what GW does every time they release a new edition of any of their games.

>whfb circling the drain and struggling to attract new players
>aos comes along
>need a faction to pull in normies
>easy to paint
>easy to collect
>baseline appeal of big armoured guys
All there is to it desu

>>96282464
>>96282316
AoS also had the problem of replacing a very fleshed out setting with a new one whose only lore was that golden automaton armor guys fought red blood crazed armor guys and sometimes black evil armor guys and there's naked fire dwarfs also and they all fight over an empty world that nobody knows enough about to give even the slighest fuck about it.

>>96282284
>'Good' fantasy super soldiers since there's already bad fantasy super soldiers.
Grail Knights did it better.

>>96282948
wfb was never struggling

>>96283017
it kinda was struggling sales-wise, mostly because GW almost stopped making new kits (in years leading up to End Times / Rise of Nagash)

>>96283040
nope.jpg never been proven. GW has a long history of axing games. No one thought they'd axe WFB which was just a lunatic decision by management.

>>96283017
Are you the same retard who argued that the switch to aos was just some marketing stunt that got out of hand

>>96283166
Shut up you actual retard.

>>96283181
I accept your concession

>>96283040
It was only struggling:
1) By GW's unrealistic sales expectations after they'd purposely released an edition that was unfriendly to new players/small scale battles to try and milk money from big centerpieces
2)Compared to their Space Marine Sales, which were blowing out the other 40K armies too.

>>96283188
retard

>>96282002 (OP)
not women, that's for sure

WFB was never struggling, it's a lie made up by AoS paypigs
The lie may have originated from someone at GW who just made it up.
Theres some pretty big names from GW that commented axing WFB made no sense especially at the time TWW was released since it would have profited.

sneed about it. fantasy was dead in the water for years.

>>96283220
and now its back and aids of shitmar is dead in the water.

>>96283217
>GW just blew up their oldest and most beloved setting, completely and fundamentally changed the way the game was played because....uh....
I don't get why people choose this hill to die on. It wasn't performing the way gw wanted it to, or they wouldn't have killed it off. It might've been making a profit still, but that's not enough for companies.
>total war
People forget that CA wasn't exactly doing so hot around the time tw:wh released, the games released just before were received quite badly. The total war warhammer series also only really blew up around the middle of 2, a few years later. Aos would've been in development for quite a few years before the end times anyway.

>>96283227
Yes kiddo, companies do stupid things, they are run by stupid people, they are not God.
As already said that always gets ignored by newfags. GW has a LONG history of axing games they don't believe in having a full catalogue of every game they make.

They wanted to make a more inclusive fantasy ip and couldn't have WFB existing in the same space so they axed it

>TWW
According to Andy Chambers he seemed to think it was a weird decision with the timing. You can see the comment on reddit

>>96282948
That's pretty much it.
They wanted Space Marines for fantasy.

>>96283017
Bro. It was selling awfully. If it sold well, GW would never have squatted it

>>96283226
Cope.

>>96282002 (OP)
Why their armors are so ridiculous??

I really like how we are fighting over what is essentially meaningless
Both games are owned by the same company, why are there console wars over them?

AoS has zero pop culture penetration, except from people that think Vermintide and Total Warhammer are from it.

>>96283294
Because people are retarded.

>>96283040
DE got an entirely new line, WE got ANOTHER huge refresh, TK got a shit ton of new kits, dwarfs got new kits, HE got new kits, Ogres got new kits, so much more than your (now typical) box and a pity hero. BULLSHIT they stopped releasing stuff, 8th got tons of great kits that even hold up today, and the 'players' STILL. DIDNT. BUY. IT.

>>96282316
>>96282619
>fight in a chaotic world with demons, gods, nukes, where no longer apply material universe laws
>still use arrows and other primitive weaponry
Why post-apocalyptic medieval settings are so cringe and lame?

>>96282535
It is NOT grimdark, it's grimtard / grimderp.

shitmar fags are still literal scum in 2025

>>96283331
They are undoubtedly subhuman.

I don't care about AoS, I strongly dislike its aesthetics.
But it's cope to say it hasn't been successful. The AoS GHB was the point that kickstarted the current GW boom before 8e 40k. GW would not be making shitloads of minis and side games for a failed IP if it didn't sell.

Rather, it's more correct to say that Stormcasts failed to meet sales expectations while the other AoS armies have been popular.

>>96283331
>>96283368
Damn bro, did AoS fans shoot your dog or something? Is this about the End Times again?
Anon its been 10 years, your game is back, let it go

>>96283377
Ew, never reply to my post again, scum.

>>96283370
A lot of people on this website really struggle with the idea that something they don't like might be commercially succesful, or vice versa the idea that something they DO like isn't. Peak autism, which I guess isn't really surprising.

>>96283387
I will always read your posts, bby

>>96283387
NTA but I also play AoS

>>96282002 (OP)
>>96282017
Unsure if self-replying OP or not. I don't care about Sigmarines enough to make threads about them.

>>96282228
How do these guys inspire more emotion and tragedy in me after like a ten minute fight and a good soundtrack while Stormcast, which are functionally the same concept do not?

>>96283471
>Dark Souls 3
Because you're a pleb and likely brown

>>96283471
Because they're not really that much a good boss fight. They spent so much of DS3 (AKA Bloodborne 2) doing DS1 memberberries when it forgets anything interesting itself brings up. What looks like a Lothric civil war, their angelic faith, Aldrich's age of the deep, the Profaned flame, all could've been interesting but they went for more DS1 nostalgia. Anyss Watchers being Artorias fanboys included.

>>96283370
Bro, Age of Sigmar is a complete failure. I wanted to get into it and like the models and such, but there just isn't a point. It's a zombie IP. GW themselves knows this and tells their own people to basically dumpster AOS products constantly. They have sprue recycling bins now, but for the longest time, thousands of dollars of AOS kits would get tossed into the dumpster on a monthly basis behind the games workshop store.

Here is the short list of AOS flops in the past year or so:

>Skaventide
>Gitmob
>Soulblight
>Embergard
>Fish elves

too many to name. It is a failing, zombie brand. Independent of if the product is good or not, the combination of factors repels customers. In the future, they will use AOS as a case study for what not to do. It's absurd and wasteful and makes me hate AOS. So much plastic waste is created for these fugly models for this marvel tier game that no one wants.

I would go out on a limb and say about 80% of anything with "Age of Simgar" on it gets thrown into the dumpster, unopened.

Pic related; No one is going to buy this shit; just like Skaven all over again. Because who tf wants a bunch of boring, yet overgreebled models?

>>96283485
Find me a better example of a knights that keep respawning over and over again then, Tubby.

>>96283548
Why does gw keep pumping out aos stuff then?

>>96283556
To simply stop a competitor from filling the role of big fantasy game with round bases; that's it. Someone who I know very well sells this stuff. No one buys it. 1/20 people is interested in Age of Sigmar and about 1/10th of those people have played a full sized game of it.

No one can possibly convey to you how bad it does. The biggest AOS hating chud on here is too generous in their estimation of the sales of AOS. It is the worst aspects of millennial culture rolled up into a single product line.

>>96283553
Dark Souls 1

>>96283279
>If it sold well, GW would never have squatted it
They squatted firstborn marines, objectively their bestselling model line at the time

>>96283553
Literally every FromSoft game without giant robots

>>96283548
>>Skaventide
Literally the 2nd biggest box GW ever made, but keep coping

>>96283548
>>96283567
you're fucking delusional. Stormcast themselves may have fallen short of GW's expectations, but AoS still sells like crazy or it wouldn't have got 4 editions now.

And I say this as someone that hates its whole danger hair high fantasy bullshit.

>>96283567
If nobody buys aos how are they stopping a competitor from taking over ?
>>96283580
They were their bestselling model, untill they weren't. Not to mention you can still buy them lol.

>>96283471
>>96283553
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST IT'S THE BASIC ABILITY OF EVERY DARKEDEMONS-BORN-TWICE-RING PROTAGONIST EVER AND YOU PRETAND LIKE FUCKING ABYSS WATCHERS ARE SPECIAL EXAMPLE OF THIS?!

>>96283279
>If it sold well, GW would never have squatted it
I've seen men in suits destroy things doing far better than I'm sure WFB was doing just because line was rising at meteoric angles.
Never undestimate the avarice of men in suits.

>>96282002 (OP)
Prelude to the rape of the custodes

>>96283556
Sunken cost while being some executive's pet project. I've never met anyone who's played AoS, yet most 40k players I know used to double dip in WFB. As a matter of fact, I know people who double dip in 40k and TOW

>>96282002 (OP)
Trying to recreate the popularity of the space marines, not understanding that they've only made a cheap knock off with bull dykes

>>96283647
If 30 years of "sunk cost" didn't sace whfb 10 years of it won't save aos, especially since the higher ups clearly aren't as attached.
>pet project
Alan merett mmmaaybe, but that guy left like a year or two after aos was launched
Once again I refer /tg/ to >>96283370 . The game is commercially succesful by all accounts.

>>96283647
I have never met anyone into LOTR, yet it also gets new minis and editions.

You're delusional if you thinkk a stingy company like GW would keep alive AoS if it didn't sell well. They even kill games that sell but not enought for their tastes.

Both AoS and ToW are dogshit dead games with no playerbase and no future.

>>96283685
They keep lotr alive to keep the rights, thougever. They're also single sprue releases most of the time.

>supposed to be grim dark paladins
>punished thor is real and he wants (you) to fight against chaos forever
>the grim dark part is losing your individuality over time
I don't know how to work with this. It's my same, personal, issue with Clerics and Paladins in DnD if your patron is sympathetic to the plight of humanity. I don't know how to /dudes/ it up.
Why wouldn't I just comply with the wishes of my protector deity? Why wouldn't it be one of the most supreme honors to have? Why wouldn't myself insert Hero just tell my fucking Stormhost to keep a journal if they care about their past lives so much?

I don't know about you guys, but I think the classic Stormcast Eternals from Warhammer Fantasy were amazing classic models - a bit dated but they still hold up with the oldschool charm of a nice goblin green base.

>>96283548
>Pic related; No one is going to buy this shit
i'm getting into AoS because of that shit. was already on the fence, stuck between Cities, Nighthaunt, and Ogres, but the Chorfs sold me

>>96282002 (OP)
None, they are just cringe.

The core problem of smegmar, and creeping into all other settings is GW's pathologic chaos wank.

From there stems all other problems, starting from trying to make existing things worse, and ending with trying to kill Fantasy Battles because the fans won't stop winning IRL.

So how do you produce a compelling face for a faction that you just, at the core of it, unironically hate? They can't.
That's why shitmarines are so shit. Visually, spiritually, they are a lame effort even creators don't believe in.

>>96284140
>The core problem of smegmar, and creeping into all other settings is GW's pathologic chaos wank
? chaos loses in like every single BL novel due to the scrappy protagonist's faith in [Golden Father Figure]

>>96283677
With the changes they made internally after Kirby was replaced, they would have the same numbers there if AoS was not there and instead it was Warhammer Fantasy, some other game, or literally no game at all. Almost all of it is 40k. And notice the they flatten a bit are whenever AoS has a release.

>>96284193
Was Kirby in charge in the middle of 6th edition for fantasy?

>>96284184
>chaos loses in novels about imperium
Wow what a mystery.

Anyway, I don't read that shit anymore, and it's the other part that's wrong with GW, as capeshit creeped into lore because of BL and now they literally base their lore on it.

>>96284211
so you're just talking out of your ass, got it

>>96283583
Second biggest flop box after the swamp orks box last edition.

>>96284217
Clearly someone missed the memo with Storm of Chaos or Eye of Terror things, mmhhmm.

>>96284276
>a setting has an explanation for Chaos being able to operate at all which also serves as a self-limiter
>pathologic Chaos wank
you're right, the setting would be better if the "villains" didn't exist and every match was just sparring between the Bottoming Bootlickers and the Shining Submissives on who better serves [Golden Father Figure]

>>96282316
>Why are they all fat sumo wrestlers?
Because it's fun.

>>96284325
Lol, this retard didn't even understand what I said.
You're too new, and I'm too lazy to try educating you. Lurk more.

>>96283626
Why is TOW outselling AoS then?

>>96283328
>still use arrows and other primitive weaponry
it still works.

>>96284530
source?

>>96282619
>Male power fantasy
Anon, as far as I know that guy could be a woman under the armor.

>>96284561
>it still works.
That pic looks pretty retarded. Would be cool if arrrows were mini-nukes.

>>96284576
they have boob plates that are more visually obvious if they were women

>>96284630
indeed

>>96284635
Also their face masks DO reflect who is a female or male

>>96284561
>>96283328
Could you do a space marine chapter that use bows and arrows, stone-head spears and don't wear power armour but extensively fuck with genetic modification to make their dudes just as tough?

>>96285378
>anon is talking about Primarch Sigmar before he created his Reich
>Sigmar evolved the tech of his tribe to survive and triumph

Man, the whole thread and not one person pointing out the obvious? Stormcast chicks are fucking hot. All those femprimarch and femmarine pictures, and then the answer is just right fucking there.

>>96284530
>>96283286

It's not. AoS outsells TOW by magnitudes

>>96285747
>>96284530
Who is right, and who is wrong here?

>>96282550
>Throgg
>Sigvald
>AOS
Are you fucking stupid?

>>96285817
only one side has shown any kind of evidence whatsoever

>>96285378
>but extensively fuck with genetic modification

>>96285831
>Sigvald
>Not AOS
ur both wrong

>>96285847
It's not perfect evidence but it's the closest we have to definitive sales.
Based on what we have AoS outsells TOW

Age of sigmar is just a way for them to keep a leash on their competitors. It sells poorly and no one at GW actually cares about the game or setting. It’s done to muscle out other companies. Simple as.

>>96282002 (OP)
space marine aesthethic without the cuck lore

>>96282316
actually you did not mention how in the initial lore they were described as having alzheimer

>>96286544
>SCE
>not peak cuck

>>96288046
Nah he’s right, primaris really went and cucked firstborns.

>>96282550
>implying
None of those can invoke as vivid of a memory as simply saying "Battle brothas!"

>>96285915
My seventh edition WHFB army books says you're a faggot secondary

>>96288076
oh. i thought you meant he wasn't in AOS. now i get it, you meant AOS can't take creative credit for him because he existed beforehand in fantasy. good point, actually

>>96282948
>>96283017
warhammer fantasy was struggling to make sales, that much is a fact. It was GWs fault, however. They're the ones that decided to price out their entire customer base with constant price hikes and demanding their customers buy several times more boxes just to make viable units.

They're also the ones at fault for certain armies not selling well. They let armies like tomb kings and bretonnia languish for far too long without any model updates, which led to a self-sustaining cycle of new players not picking the army up because the models had began showing their age. Instead they circlejerked chaos and high/ dark elves the entire time.

>>96282002 (OP)
Its american fantasy. You see americans dont see fantasy as the exploration of different places and cultures but rather as their own culture and ethos painted in a different stroke.
This mean they will geab a castle, place a dragon and a bunch of minorities to feel at home. Plus they need the american power fantasy of big pauldrons and guns. Aos is just the most basic amerislop.

>>96288435
i hate to inform you that AOS is an English game designed in England, anon

>>96282002 (OP)
They suck because

>Allows women.
>They aren't evil like (most) space marine's are.
>Helmets are ugly
>Hammers are gay. Should use a variety of weapons.
>No personality.

Faggot lefties designed them and no one likes what they come up with. Not in star wars or marvel. One of the box sets has a lesbian with a sidecut as the hero! Who's buying that other then actual trannys.

If they made evil male only, fantasy black templars equivalents, powered by sigmar, with cool knight helmets they would of been popular.

>bring back gotrek for nostalgiabait
>replace felix with a black woman
People will cope and say "b-b-b-bu Felix wasn't that big of a hero, he doesn't deserve to be Stormcast!" Bitch the existence of female Stormcast guarantees Felix should be Stormcast.

>>96283580
Tactical squads are still available.

>>96282002 (OP)
the appeal (for them) is that they can have ugly lesbian women be space marines without any icky lore in the way

>>96283876
That's a modern artist's interpretation of what an oldhammer stormcast could have been, it's not a model that was ever produced by gw. It looks good, she nailed the style.

>>96288435
That just sounds more like 40k ngl

>>96288630
The only good thing about Gotrek in AoS is him shittalking the sigmarines and saying they aren't even worthy of polishing Felix's boots.

>>96282017
HE'S CORRECT!
I will screenshot this post.

>>96282017
>99% of age of sigmar "fans" are coping total war fans
So this is what delusion looks like...

>>96288809
You're replying to a bait post.

>>96282002 (OP)
Sigmarine designs are just so gay and boring. Sure GW can pump out loads of high-quality models with all these tiny details, but it's so easy to see that they're creatively bankrupt and don't understand why people liked their settings in the first place.

>>96282002 (OP)
Order Chosen, to contrast with Chaos Chosen, who have always been popular.
That this needs to be stated shows how brainrotted this board is.

Stormcast do not have a distinct design language besides "generic fantasy good guys" aka gold armor, big shoulders, dark blue capes. We have seen their look before in a lot of fantay settings. They look like the gold guys from Wow. Just generic looking. They really should have just been fancied up grail knights because their gold and blue and lion aesthetic just looks like the default scheme for generic good guys in a fantasy phone game.

Awesome Coolguys that are indestructible and don't die with gold armor who ride down on lightning bolts and use giant hammers sounds like something a 10 year old thinks is cool.

>>96290433
>Stormcast do not have a distinct design language
I don't understand the sentiment. One of the things they had going for them from the start was a strong design vocabulary that made the models easy to read, which has to be counted as a net positive in a miniature wargame.

>>96283731
>ToW are dogshit
ToW is way too new, it'll eclipse AoS in time.

>>96282550

Like >>96282558 said

You´re a secondary retard, simple as.

>>96290592
nta but a strong design is not the same as a distinctive design, sigmarines look cool, but they also look generic

>>96290433
>sounds like something a 10 year old thinks is cool.
You just described the appeal of gws titles.

>>96290592
They look so much like WOW; even down to the colors and weapon choice. They have an aesthetic, but it's a generic aesthetic. For example, a Space Marine has a very distinct aesthetic; big, blocky, baroque armor with no concept of camouflage. Cadians, on the other hand, have a pretty generic aesthetic, looking similar to a lot of other generic soldiers in games and movies.

>>96291137
>They have an aesthetic, but it's a generic aesthetic.
Yes, and? They're the good guy generic aesthetic, while chaos had the evil guy generic aesthetic. Then you had all the other more unique aesthetics for people who didn't like stormcasts.

Instead they butchered the original stormcasts to appease faggots who won't even touch AoS.

>>96282002 (OP)
>that pic
Thats hilariously dumb. I can barely get that the first armor is more lean, and the middle one is a bulkier more heavily armored version, but the third one being a head taller while the head is just as small is just so fucking stupid. It leave the impression its the same small person inside trying to move in a fat guy suit while on high heels.

>>96291137
>baroque
I know GW's writers love to use this phrase in relation to space marines, but the miniatures themselves are not designed to appear baroque.

>>96290592
are any of these models still produced

>>96290592
They're somewhat generic armoured paladins, but idk they have their own unique spin on it, a bit art deco like with their wings. Or at least they used to be.
>>96291137
>baroque
Space marines are not baroque man. Gothic is the word you're looking for. Picrel is baroque, which ironically looks a lot more like stormies than mehreens.
>>96291246
I think the guy on the dragon is still around. The normal hammer guys and winged ones got refreshed, the not!terminators got squatted (and soft refreshed)

>>96282002 (OP)
They come in some cheap starter set or edition launch set alongside a completely different army that's probably the actual reason you bought it, and are easy to paint to a battle ready level. Very few people even really know the lore of them.

GW wanted space marines in AOS because they supposed space marines selling well in 40K would translate to a fantasy game. It really conceptually does not. Like Chaos Warriors make sense. Fucked up hulking guys who are that big because chaos is basically functioning as steroids for them. But "good" magic in fantasy settings generally isn't portrayed as something that makes you into a roid monster, so its hard to contrive a compelling "good" counterpart to the Chaos Warriors. It works with space marines because technology making you a hulking monster scans and makes sense. Good guy magic is meant to make you like Gandalf the White, not a giant bodybuilder. Stormcasts fundamentally don't feel natural, and then the details of the lore make it dumber and less interesting the more you read.

>>96282002 (OP)
Space Marines in fantasy.

>>96282316
The first stormcast design was so fucking bad.
>>96282464
I think this concept is cool. But I'm pretty sure it wasnt in the lore at the beginning. Just having them be ever-returning immortal heroes would be bland. Their gradual loss of memory gives stakes to the characters in their struggles. But maybe they should had went berserk instead of becoming automatons.

>>96291137
Space Marines are most certainly not baroque, I would argue Sigmarines are closer to that

>>96284561
>armor made out of bulshittium
>forged by literal dwarf god of smithing, that's like triple the smithing
>a shitty slapped together orc crossbow made out of twigs that's not even magical shoots right through it

>>96288597
>Hammers are gay. Should use a variety of weapons.
They do, even the most basic ass liberator kit in 1e came with sword options. They also had axes, spears and maces among others.

>>96294373
Would it have worked better if they took inspiration from stuff like Samson or Hercules instead of 'chaos warriors in blue and gold'?

Warhammer always was a kitchensink setting. They collected basically every sci fi/fantasy trope. WoW-type hero units fit there.
Problem is two-fold
1. They are the poster boys that overshadow the rest
2. Lore. It's not bad lore, but it's bad lore for a tabletop game. Losing humanity and being very uniform is bad for variety and making your dudes. Compare them to space marines. Chapters are different, they each have their aesthetic, their own unique culture, different primarchs, etc. Stormcasts lack that.

>>96295315
>>96291288
>>96291198
Nah, you guys are wrong. The modern design of decorations and trim and trinkets and excess ornamentation is a clear, accurate example of baroque. The normal plain Marine might be, but a normal marine with like no ornamentation is the exception rather than the rule nowadays. The giant golden eagle with the gold plated martyr skull in the middle on the normal marine is an example of baroque design. Gothic is earlier and doesn't incorporate as much lavish golden ornamentation. Most of the awesome cool "medieval" armor sets that are still around are from the renaissance era or later.

>>96282002 (OP)
Fantasy space marines.

>>96282002 (OP)
I kneel before the AoS community for their rejection of Sigmarines. Seriously,. look at what % of 40k is all Space Marines. When's the last time we got DEldar stuff? They're an attention vacuum. Most xenos factions in 40k wish they got half the attention non-Sigmarine factions in AoS did.

>>96282002 (OP)
Does her cock get bigger as the rest of her body does?

>>96282002 (OP)
They're Space Marines on the ground

I never played AoS or 40k but I considered buying a 40k spess muhreen once just to paint it. I never considered buying a stormcast mini, they just look way too generic and uninspired.

>>96282002 (OP)
LGBTQBBQWTFEULAFAQ+ representation

>>96289159
Appropriate, considering the conversion itself was bait. I have no idea why people laud that degenerate bint so much, literally her entire shtick is
>What if [thing] but with a giant green stuff willy sculpted on it?

>>96296930
Stormcasts never recovered from the big model purge. It was a colossal "yeah, this isn't working" admission from the company as they shelved the embarrassing beginnings of the faction and trying to work with the newer, better thought out stuff. However, the Stormcasts were too young and lacking in momentum to properly pull a Space Marines Primaris transfer without consequences.

I think most people, deep down, know in their hearts that Stormcasts are that faction that GW is kind of embarrassed about making, but they were promoted too hard and made too essential to ever get rid of, so the only path is forward. Slowly and steadily keep improving them until they're as accepted as Space Marines among nerd cycles.

I'll probably never like their looks though, personally. Their sculpted golden faces don't do it for me, same with the relevant Blood Angels units.

>>96289159
You’re replying in a bait thread

>>96282316
>I understand that GW was trying to attract a new crowd that was more interested in World of Warcraft/Marvel stuff
World of Warcraft was so successful than GW ripped off Blizzard's aesthetic LOL

>>96297611
except stormcast got 2/3rds of their army book axed with no replacement, they didnt even update any of their units. GW knew that people are sick and tired of marines, so they started giving the actually interesting factions miniatures and even started including them in campaigns, which is a first for them. I personally think that if they truly wanted to give stormcast another chance, they should have given the first wave new models. No need to bloat their model range. At most, give them a unit of stormcast that died too much and are now messed up.

But giving armies actual character is something GW cant do, according to my credible sources. I think we should all start 3D printing to show them we dont need them at all. GW said after all that "everything is canon", so we as fans can do everything we want.

>>96285551
Hot.

>>96299050
>they didnt even update any of their units.
Liberators, Prosecutors, a few heroes, maybe some other things I'm forgetting. Mind, I still don't think it's okay what they did.

>>96282017
FPBP

Best stormcast i've seen
https://www.instagram.com/whatthe40k/reel/DK4xo14RwVl/

is copying another setting lol

>>96299217
Sounds like tow cope to me.

>>96296498
I get where you're coming from but I still disagree. Normal marines are entirely too "harsh" to really be called baroque, they lack the flowery filigree type "feel". Trinkets alone don't make them gothic, that's just modern gw design. 30k blood angels or EC are pretty baroque by contrast, normal marines don't quite get there.
Again I see where you're coming from don't get me wrong, but there's still a distinction imo.

I feel like the appeal is supposed to be the same as Space Marines (fuck off huge dudes in armor) I think they fall short because their baseline is too fleshed out. Space Marines can be pretty boring conceptually, but the benefit of that is that Space Marine Chapters can be dickheads, they can be nice, they can be smart or as irrational as the player wants them to be without breaking canon. They even have a whole factions dedicated to evil Space Marines that are horrific Chaos warped reflections of their Loyalist cousins. Stormcast are incorruptible do-gooders that required editions of retcons to approach the customizability of Space Marines. They kind of failed out of the gate trying to be Fantasy Marines because of it.

>>96301245
Stormcasts are just Warriors of Order.

>Sigmar stole power from the gods and lied to his Sons/Daughters

Kinda suprised GW hasn't done some kind of Horus Heresy split with the Stormcast and given us a Chaos version of them.

>>96282002 (OP)

Warcraft style paladin army, pretty cool imo

I have 12000pts of Stormcast (7000ish post squattening)

>>96282002 (OP)
I like that they have to fight for eternity and lose a part of themselves everytime they die until there's nothing left but human body in armor whose only reason for existence is to fight in battle.
they are arguably more useful than space marines who too are kept alive for as long as possible, but eventually end up as servo skulls, being next to useless

>>96283887
Come home.

>>96282002 (OP)
Immortal Knights.

>>96282496
Genuinely not fair to the Gollum game. The devs noticeably tried with it, they were just far out of their wheelhouse. AoS was half assed from the beginning and the only good bits crib or outright copy Fantasy and 40k.

>>96303116
>>96303121
wow, those are excellent. really nails a modern take on the WHFB 4e Hat era. alas, i suspect i've become far too reliant on plastic cement to go back to working with resin (or pewter, for that matter) for anything more involved than terrain or the occasional printed bit.

>>96303263
not a fan of aos by any measure but trying to say gollum actually tried is incredibly forced hate

>>96282002 (OP)
Space Marines without stupid power packs.
Tits.

>>96282002 (OP)
It's a somewhat uneasy marriage between "The Hero" and "Noble Sacrifice".

On the one hand, you are literally the guys who died so hard in the face of Chaos that God himself decided you were worthy to be brought back to face off against the forces of darkness once more. You are an einherjar wrapped in lightning, and you stand side by side with the greatest heroes and most noble of souls, all those whose conviction to defend humanity, on however small or personal a level, was so great that you were given a chance to defend humanity once more.

On the other hand, you the chosen few who are damned for the sake of the many. Your life is not your own. Your soul is not your own. Your memories and personality, your very humanity, will be slowly lost from you as you die, are reborn, and die again. You are condemned to a spiritual death of a thousand cuts, because the utter lose of everything that made you a person is the price that must be paid so that humanity can continue to survive in the ever-encroaching face of Chaos.

Basically, you know all those weirdos who wax rhapsodic about how the Imperium is this tragic and noble enterprise, and how their guaranteed extinction but continuing to fight on to extend oblivion as long as possible is the most heroic thing imaginable? Well, that's Stormcasts, only without being self-sabotagingly stupid like the Imperium.

>>96282316
the positive reception the ttrpg and total war were getting probably didn't hurt either

>>96282002 (OP)
they were kind of cool when you had all these color schemes and subfactions to go with them but gw got rid of that shit as early as 3e. the extra five cents a page per book to give their nascent game some variety evidently wasn't as important as inane unit configurations with bonuses and battleplan template with missions you have to run a specific way

>>96282002 (OP)
I don't play the game, I just paint the models, mostly 40k, but I gotta say that Stormcast Eternals are really cool minis to paint if you treat them like a palette cleanser of sorts.

I got couple of the free ones they give away at the stores (ones with a spear and a shield) and they are just lovely for practicing different techniques and testing out color schemes. They're very clearly designed so they're easy and pleasant to paint: not overburdened with details, got leather/ cloth/ platemail/ scalemail areas to play with textures, they got these statuesque stature that feels like a video game character creator where you swap colors.

kitbashing them into space marines

>>96282017
>there is no appeal
besides the models beeing beatiful and Spearhead beeing the best game mode in all of Games Workshop

>>96282044
Where'd you find their sales numbers?

>>96283012
yeah but they're frogs so they don't count.

>>96282002 (OP)
Big Brave Fag Strong and Tough

I have zero problem with the aesthetic of the Stormcast Eternals. I think they look cool.

My issue is with everything else. "Stormcast Eternals." Even the name is gay. Someone else said "Warriors of Order" and I'd much prefer that, unfortunately GaysCuckshed can't trademark that kind of name. The lore for these guys sucks. The lore for most of AoS is just garbage. They had a chance to do something cool with their Warhammer Meets Planescape Clark Ashton Smith Fever Dream concept and totally blew it, opting for World of Warcraft Gnomeregan Dungeon and Solar Steampunk homosexuality. The setting actually had limitless potential to be interesting and yet it feels more constrained and less mysterious than the Old World.

celestial lightning paladins sent by a vengeful storm god to hunt down the forces oppressing his people and kill them with hammers. Oh, and they ride giant storm dragons and dragon-lion hybrids.
clearly no appeal here...
(imo all the thunderstike shit is a severe downgrade in my eyes)

>>96282002 (OP)
The Stormcast have two problems, in my opinion.

>1- Those horrible death masks they stole from the Blood Angels.

>2- The ability to revive.
Dying once to defend humanity is epic. Dying for the twelfth time is pathetic. It's like, "Dude, give up, you only embarrass me."

>>96283766
It's sometimes a pain to /yourdudes/ Sigmarines, but there's some cool ideas out there for stormhosts regarding patron deities outside of Sigmar (along with their upbringing.)

>Why wouldn't it be a supreme honor to comply and accept the forging process

It is an exceptionally venerated part of a Stormcast to be selected.

>Why wouldn't we keep a journal of their past lives?

Funnily, 4th edition addresses this with a new companion models that essentially tard-wrangle those almost too far gone to be reforged anew. They have writs of their past deeds and their lineage on hand and try to make sure these unstable freaks don't turn into lightning gheists.

Some cool hosts to check out are the Astral Templars, who're Ghur-based tribesmen that still venerate some primordial god that's supposedly Ulric/Ursun, Tenpest Lords, who worship Myrmidia in tandem with Sigmar (and are selected from the noble lineages of the Mortal Realms) and the Anvils of the Heldenhammer-- Who are cool in that they're so old you can't speak to them normally due to their ancient tongues. (It's also where 99% of Old World Heroes are gonna be, besides Gelt and Franz.) They also fucking HATE Nagash and claim Morr's the true god of death.

Stormcasts are neat in that they do worship shit you wouldn't normally expect (Ghyran Guard actually hold equal respect to Alarielle, since she was the one holding Ghyran together back in 1e-- Along with a ton of Stormcasts paying tribute to Morrda/Morr and Myrmidia) and I think it's a great way to express their individuality.

>>96317610
Man we ever gonna get those lightning ghosts as a unit? I mean Sigmar is already scraping the barrel with the recent release, might as well add a fire and forget berserker elemental unit for the next edition
I think I saw some concept art of them a while ago, where its like pieces of armor floating and being tethered by lightning

I don’t know. I don’t even really know what the appeal of age of sigmar is. I’ve played rank and file medieval style wargames and sigmar honestly feels shallow compared to it. This is coming from someone who mostly plays shooting focused. this game being melee focused and every unit is a skirmisher just seems lame to me. its like smashing 40k melee units into each other it gets old really quick.

>>96282002 (OP)
I don’t know. I’ve never actually met anyone who likes them. The most positive opinion I’ve seen is they’re fine at best.

>>96320492
They'd be neat, even if thematically a bit of a mess. Pretty much every Sigmarine shits their pants at the thought of becoming such a thing (to the point where they pray to Morrda to die before they turn/Iridan mercy killing those toofar gone)

Though, reforging is weird. There's 2 known ways IIRC that Stormies experience death:

>Go back to be reforged but fail to have the willpower to be put back in the armor
nobody really knows what happens after but this Anon thinks their soul just kinda fizzles away.
>Be reforged and have the willpower, but not enough soul-- Turning into a berserk Lightning-Gheist
Apparently the latter is a genuine issue they have to deal with in Azyr.

>>96320655
Sidenote: I should've specified that there's ways to permakill a Sigmarine outside of reforging (Skaven developed special slop for it in 4th edition, Ogre Firebellies can literally eat their souls, etc etc.)

I digress. Stormcasts *can* be cool, they just need to embrace the parts that make them not Spehss Muhreens. (And have different helmet options, goddammit.)

>>96320631
(Generally) great models, easy to pick up (and pretty fluffy) rules, and the points are essentially doubled from 40k- Meaning you don't need to buy as much plastic crack.

>>96320809
that’s fair. maybe I’m a little too hard on the game a lot of people including myself started with one of the warhammer lines. I still even play 40k once in a blue moon

>>96283548
now type that again without the retarded reddit spacing

"we want the world of warcraft audience, 10 years after it peaked" -GW CEO in 2015

>>96282228
If AoS was darksoulshammer it might actually be kewl.

>>96282316
I never liked helmets with faces on them. Too fancy and flamboyant for my tastes.

>>96323919
I like them, but they should either
A) Only be for special characters
Or
B) Be because there's no body underneath, just sentient lightning bound to armor FMA style and the mask is their own personal deathmask (i.e. give us more than the singular copypasted face)

>>96291246
No but to be fair you could still buy them all the way up to 4th like a year ago the big Stormcast model purge is still very recent. 3rd edition where they really started the big design shift was also not that long ago either. I think they've made a lot of strides with the Stormcast designs, but like>>96320809 said they could really use different helmet options.
>>96301245
They suffer from the same problem most AoS factions do. They have a really cool elevator pitch, there's a lot of fun homebrew stuff you can do with them they're very flexible, the models are often fantastic... but the actual lore is far less fleshed out than say 40k or Fantasy. I really enjoy AoS overall when everything is taken into account, but it's definitely the weakest as far as it's canon setting goes. In the Stormcasts defense though they've at least become a lot more diverse you can play into different moralities, origins, fighting styles, etc... But again that's more or less just having fun with how easy the setting is to homebrew, not the setting's factions themselves being all that compelling/deep. Stormcast has some good characters, but I can't think of any Stormhost that comes close to a good amount of Space Marine chapters depth.

>>96282002 (OP)
I like them in concept but hate them in execution
>concept: eternal warriors that fight, die and revive for all eternity but every time they revive they lose a bit of themselves until they are nothing but mindless husk that keep fighting.
neat
>execution: space marines but with muh diversity
mfw

>>96317610
To clarify, I was talking about making /your dudes/.
My donut steel marine chapter is my own thought experiment, filling in a blanked out niche in the setting. Meanwhile, the first couple of editions of AoS made /your dudes/ Stormhosts self insert bait since mechanics and consequences of Reforging gets to be explored by GW writers but not us. Any free forming in making a custom Stormhost could be rendered noncanon, or worse, giving ourselves a mary sue quirk.
I'll end up painting my collection something like pic related; but I'm privately convinced that some faggot millennial at GW wanted Reforging to be a "meta commentary" about society and the day to day grind. Trying to make /your dudes/ Stormhost feels like your answering a rorschach test (or just self inserting with shallow allegory) instead of approaching a thought experiment inside of a setting.

>>96334458
>but I'm privately convinced that some faggot millennial at GW wanted Reforging to be a "meta commentary" about society and the day to day grind.
Holy shit, that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. It's very obviously just a lazy mirroring Space Marine geneseed flaws. It's so fucking blatant that all your complaints about Reforging apply to space marines as well
>mechanics and consequences of Geneseed flaws gets to be explored by GW writers but not us
>Any free forming in making a custom Chapter could be rendered noncanon, or worse, giving ourselves a mary sue flaw

>>96334716
Only if you want to be superficial. I'm not saying Space Marines aren't susceptible to self insert shit, the lost primarchs were proof no one liked that idea. Space Marines have 19 organs with specific functions and 9-18 personality templates. What went wrong and how that affects you can be sussed out.
Reforging has been split up to "how far retarded are your guys" and "at what rate do your guys get retarded". As time moves forward, everyone is retarded unless you have a gimmick.

>>96282002 (OP)
They're space marines, but for bottoms instead of tops. It's just a different kind of ghey.

>>96282619
>Male power fantasy
>stormtroons

This thread is exactly what I expected

GROUND MARINES, ONWARD!

>>96334797
>Only if you want to be superficial.
DING DING DING
YOU FIGURED IT OUT
SIGMARINES ARE A BRAINDEAD MARKETER'S ATTEMPT TO ANALYZE THE SUPERFICIAL "MARKETABLE" TRAITS OF A SPACE MARINE AND APPLY THEM TO FANTASY
CONGRATIONS
YOU DONE IT

But no, that conclusion somehow makes LESS sense than it secretly being a "millennial metacommentary on capitalist labor-extortion" or whatever faggotry you were whinging on about.

>>96331312
do they really have to be? would tourney org just freak out if you paint all of them one skintone because you only have one set of skin paints and flip the table if you even tried to play?

>>96335877
So, you concede that you're wrong about the space marines.
>boo hoo, my job is so soul grinding, and all my friends seem so lifeless
Yes, the concept of Reforging reads like a whiny fucking millennial trying to be clever. And it's inviting you to self-insert bait to project your irl problems onto. Some faggot really loved this analogy.

>>96335969
>>96335877
I have no idea what you both are on about

>>96285551
eh
i cant really buy the blood and guts hard rocker chick asthetic when she crying about her tits bein out
just comes across as some weird convoluted goblin slayer shit

>>96285378
sure its warhammer
do what you want

>>96320655
based slanesh demon

>>96331312
but anon... warhammer is retarded
how can you get mad at anything in the do what you want setting

>>96335985
all you have to know is that i'm right and he's wrong

>>96323246
It's getting there. Reminder that it took 11 years for 40k to really find it's identity. AOS is barely celebrating it's 10th anniversary so we may see this or next edition begin to form what AOS will really look like down the line.

>>96336078
Difference is 40k/wfb basically developed on their own naturally from generic fantasy pulp. AoS should already be well fleshed out, the setting is technically new but it's got 30+ years of legacy to draw on. So the fact it's still this bare-bones is kind of amazing, in a bad way.

>>96282464
Going to be honest when I first saw them I assumed they were some sort of automata and thought they were cooler than what they turned out to be.

itt. retards assuming shit while refusing to actually read the lore

>>96336078
>it took 11 years for 40k to really find it's identity
Bullshit, 40k was born cool and ready. They just ironed out some details along RT, but its core themes and main elements were already there

>>96336870
>it's got 30+ years of legacy to draw on.
Fantasy doesn’t even mesh well with itself so I don’t think it’d be smart for Aos to lean on that.

>>96335969
>So, you concede that you're wrong about the space marines.
Holy shit you're retarded. It's a LAZY, SUPERFICIAL ANALOGUE to Space Marines. Nothing I said about space marines was wrong either you clown.
>the concept of Reforging reads like a whiny fucking millennial trying to be clever
You're so deep in your culture war faggotry you are looking for something to be morally outraged about when instead you should just be calling Reforging shitty and boring.
>Some faggot really loved this analogy.
Yeah, and that faggot is (you).
You're in gay, californian bug-chasing love with this analogy you birthed.

>>96337926
>Bullshit, 40k was born cool and ready
Nuh uh.

>>96296930
Except for the Dark Eldar, every Xenos faction are well supported since 9th ed. They all got range refresh. It's Chaos and Non-SM imperium that keep getting the L

>>96334458
You bring up a decent point about "filling out the setting" with custom Chapters/Stormhosts, however I believe there's enough bits in there to really let you go wild. (Along with custom subfactions basically always being subject of being squatted, it's not AoS-Exclusive.) For example: A buddy of mine converted his Stormies into rangers; adding hoods/cloaks and pouches to every dude since they're expected to campaign for decades out in Ghyran without returning to Azyr.

Each host also has their own preferences to which chambers militant they employ as well (Hell it's stated outright that there are still chambers sealed/hidden that only Sigmar knows of) so the extent of what host has access to is entirely up to you. This also doesn't take into account what mortal stock is brought to /yourdudes/, as in my previous post it was pointed out that Sigmar likes keeping those of similar cultural backgrounds together.

Reforging *can* be viewed as rather pretentious, but it's an incredibly personal experience for every Stormie that goes through it. I'll probably have to post the snippet of the Reforging process from the Soulbound Champions of Order splatbook; since it adds a lot to how you can express the ravages of reforging (from mental instability, physical abnormalities, and also the issue of how long it'll take to actually get them back in fighting shape- Some souls take *years* to be put back in the armor.) through having internal brotherhoods from within the Stormhost that bond from similar flaws/attributes. (Y'know, like 99% of military structures IRL.)

>>96338013
>Reforging is shitty and boring
And my accusation also makes it mundane. I think you're confusing "someone pretentious poisoned the creative well" with "the well is someone's pretentious pet project".
>You're so deep in your culture war faggotry you are looking for something to be morally outraged about
But I'm not outraged, I'm disappointed and bored. You were the one projecting rage on my words. You don't seem to understand everyone's hate of AoS writing if you are accusing me and not GW with dragging culture war shit into AoS. First edition came out in 2015, and the consequences of Reforging weren't addressed in more detail until Dominion's battle tome (2021).

Fans reflect the writer, and a there's a lot of faggotry going on with Stormcast fans and lore. You aren't taking into account the fans and their reasons for actually enjoying it.

qq>First edition came out in 2015, and the consequences of Reforging weren't addressed in more detail until Dominion's battle tome (2021).
lol, flat out wrong.

>>96338657
Don't get me wrong, I do want to have fun with stormcast. If you have other recommended campaigns or other books, I'll take them. Surely rolling dice should yield a natural feeling story, right?

>>96338928
>And my accusation also makes it mundane.
Not really
>I think you're confusing "someone pretentious poisoned the creative well" with "the well is someone's pretentious pet project".
I think you're confusing "lazy attempt at recreating space marines in fantasy" with "THE LIBERALS ARE TAKING OVER AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
>I'm not outraged, I'm disappointed and bored.
And blaming it on....I dunno, some evil millennial illuminati
>You aren't taking into account the fans and their reasons for actually enjoying it.
You're tilting at windmills and ascribing malice to callous marketing.

>>96282002 (OP)
I've seen them painted as stone statues which looked cool and I think when they wear helmets they look kinda cool. I think all the helmetless models just look dopey and stupid. Beyond that however lorewise they're gay as shit, they're just fantasy space marines in the most bland and literal sense possible. At least grail knights had to go on a quest and were (supposedly) very rare even if seemingly every other duke was a grail knight.

>>96282284
I think they'd work better as a couple of hero units instead of an entire army. Like you have an army of regular dudes and then oh shit here comes the one unit of stormcast eternals to kick ass and take names. Hell their army list looks bland as hell and I feel like the entire list could be three units with options, melee infantry, ranged infantry, cavalry.

>>96339236
>I've seen them painted as stone statues which looked cool
Like weeping angels? That does sound cool.

>>96282002 (OP)
>we want fantasy to sell like space marines, so we gave you fantasy space marines
There's no appeal anon, just cynicism.

>>96339158
>Not really
If the conclusion is "reforging is kinda like irl, amirite?", yes, it makes it mundane by definition. I'm a millennial, I grew up with these faggots who can't write for shit. It's shallow in a very unique way.
Repeating "muh bad marketing" as the decisive factor outs you as the brainlet who is not actually serious about this conversation.
What makes a community stick around, and what keeps people away, plays a far bigger part than blaming the marketing department with bad decisions. You're completely ignoring the AoS community's reputation. Stormcast got their first gender neutral character this edition, my guy; AoS writers aren't beating any allegations.

>>96282017
FPBP

>>96339356
>If the conclusion is "reforging is kinda like irl, amirite?"
It's a retarded conclusion when it was very obviously a mirror of geneseed flaws, right down to certain orders of Sigmarines having their unique reforging flaws. Everything else you're saying is downstream of a fucktarded claim.

>>96339613
Was it you? Were you placed in charge of the nepo-hires in the writing department, and that's why you were so defensive and now dismissive at the AoS writing?
Yeah, Kevin, everyone hates you, but because you keep blaming the marketing department. How is marketing supposed to sell your team's gender fluid self inserts? It only appeals to a narrow audience.

>>96339683
>Was it you?
I accept your concession
>why you were so defensive
I've called it shitty and lazy multiple times now, try to keep up.

I'm just annoyed at people's spastic need to slap a culture war label on everything to clutch pearls over when some things are just mundanely awful instead.

>>96337945
You're not wrong, however that is exactly what AoS went for at the beginning and it has haunted the setting ever since. I mean, how many original AoS characters have actually risen in prominence and become iconic in their own right, compared to old WHF callbacks? More often than not, AoS originals are still overshadowed by the remnants of Fantasy characters who made the jump, and multiple factions still base their entire identity around orbiting old Fantasy characters. Those are the main cast, the entire pantheon of the Setting, and fucking Gotrek is still around and leading the charge. And while GW has done good work with original factions, they still go back to member berries now and then, like the Chaos Dwarfs who are nearly 1:1 to the old chorfs save for superficial differences.

The fucking name of the game is the ultimate testament of this problem, that we're a decade in and still leaning on Fantasy, and it's too deeply rooted to do away with.

>>96337926
is that suppose to be the god emperor?

>>96283017
The old tactical space marine box sold more than the entire whfb range combined. The game was dead
Aside from starter sets, it was incredibly expensive to get an army started. Especially for some armies

>>96339755
>how many original AoS characters have actually risen in prominence and become iconic in their own right, compared to old WHF callbacks
Every new Death character is more prominent than callbacks than anyone other than Nagash.
Destruction doesn't even have any calback characters other than Gork and Mork, who aren't even called that and function as two headed Gorkamorka.
Archaon and Belakor are the only Chaos character people remember even made it through.
It's most elf wank that's referencial

>>96339701
And I'm telling you AoS is the known to BE that kind of outlet for people who want to engage with it; because GW writers indulge in it. Reforging is used as a game mechanic to distinguish play styles, but the lore behind it is self-insert fodder.
Again, you don't have a response to the gender fluid and girl boss characters. That's why I was joking about you dodging AoS writing. And again, I'm not raging or pearl clutching. But I am noticing faggotry.

>>96339773
Papa smurf must honor the ancestors.

>>96339790
isnt this a myth? clearly wasnt selling well but iirc this is unfounded

>>96339477
ah, these look more like golems. Weeping Angel sigmarines would be swell. A more sinister/horror kind of paladin

>>96339948
big E use to look so weird back then

>>96340262
>he looked that way back then
>he looks that way now
>he will look that way in the future

>>96282002 (OP)
what's with the hair?
any lore reason why they all have the same side shaved undercut?
not an AoS fan but I think every piece of artwork they have it so I'm wondering why they all do it

>>96282002 (OP)
>What is the appeal of Stormcast Eternals exactly?
What is the appeal of age of sigmar exactly?

>>96339891
>Reforging is used as a game mechanic to distinguish play styles, but the lore behind it is self-insert fodder.
Once again, just like geneseed flaws.
>Again, you don't have a response to the gender fluid and girl boss characters.
Yeah, those are cringe and part of the faggy lil culture war shit. Not fucking groundmarine geneseed flaws. You have plenty of shit to flail and screech over, so it's kind of wild to me that you're freaking out over shit as innocuous as "the Storm Angels Order of Sigmarines are unable to speak above a whisper when they get Reforged"
>But I am noticing faggotry.
You're witchhunting, lil bro. And ignoring the actual witches in the process, funnily enough.

>>96340390
trying to portrait women as strong and the only way they know how is to give them the dyke haircut.

>>96340390
No, it's a 1970-80s punk hairstyle that became a trend since the 2010s among insecure culture warriors of the SJW variety.

They think it makes them look stronger and edgier, and in turn they made it appear everywhere in pop media like in >>96340401 even if it doesn't belong and looks anachronistic as fuck in a fantasy setting.

It's like an even more retarded western version of the plastic surgery doll faces of asian fantasy games.

I kind skimmed the thread but is no one defending the sigmarines?
Not trolling I entered the thread mostly to see the arguments of the people that liked them, but didn't see any.

>>96340436
you turned a "take the piss out of millennial's style writing" comment in a post ambivalent towards the faction and though it was "he's schizoing out" post
>witchhunting, meanwhile >>96340401
>google it
>it's real
jokes on you, i was only shitting on iridian.
tranny stormies are a literal cultural tradition lmao

>>96340501
>you turned a "take the piss out of millennial's style writing" comment in a post ambivalent towards the faction and though it was "he's schizoing out" post
I told you Reforging is not that serious and you schizo'd out, yes.
>meanwhile >>96340401
Damn lil bro, you suck at reading: >>96340436
>And ignoring the actual witches in the process, funnily enough.

>>96340500
I think the kind of people that unironically like sigmarines as presented by GW would be difficult to find online outside dedicated discord "safe spaces", much less here. Even anons in the AoS general.

>>96340500
I dont blame them entering a bait thread

>>96282619
>Male power fantasy
>Stormcunts
Lmao, lmfao even.

>>96340567
What does this disprove

>>96340524
Anon, millennial self-insert fodder was what I was taking a jab at, and you are now faced with canon "Stormcast have entire cultures dedicated to gender-fluid trannies on ozempic". What is your actual defense, or are you conceding that millennial writers are poisoning the well of creativity with Dragon Age the Veilguard tier OCs?

>>96282535

I think they could have made this lore work IFL Though they lose memories of who they were, the personalities and experiences stuck with them, as they desperately hold on to what made them individuals, either through flair of their armor, dreams for what they could do if the war ever ended/if it could ever end, or a favorite pastime that they don't remember how they got started with it, but the ritual stuck around. It's boring if they just become mindless battle bots, so I think the easy fix here is just that they don't become mindless. They sjust don't remember how they got here, and as new memories replace the old ones, as they fight and die endlessly, They still grow and have the question of "Was this always who I was, or just an assumption I'm making of who I was?" Maybe some of them keep records from when they first realize they were beginning to forget so they wrote down and stashed away a journal or archive of who they were before they became Stormcast Eternals.

I hate to use the MCU as an example here, but in the TVA, all the people who work there were once variants who basically got their minds wiped, but there's a part of their old life that shines through. Like Mobius, who knows he will never be able to do anything but work for the TVA, has a love of Jet-Skis and in his free time looks at catalogues and such with them in it and imagines himself riding one, only to find out later that it was because, before the mindwipe, he was a beach dude who loved to ride jet skis.

Like the horror of losing your memories and your self as you desperately hang on to whay made you you is horrifying and really makes the sacrifice of what comes with being a Stormcast Eternal more palapable. Hell maybe some of them purposely keep themselves from thinking about it and try to become a more perfect weapon for Sigmar, letting go of their old lives, but an inkling of it still haunts them.

Too bad the actual lore isn't that interesting.

>>96337926
Why is the writing desk a dinosaur

>>96340778
It's a RT proto-tyranid trophy.

>>96283267
>Yes kiddo, companies do stupid things, they are run by stupid people, they are not God.

I'm glad someone said it. People need to kill this idea that corporations are run by these ultra-logical realists who look at the quarterly reports and run the numbers "Hmm... Yes... The Invisible Hand has made it clear, we need to completely fuck our consumer base like a child prostitute if we're going to be economically viable" as if every board of directors isn't made up of the same 12 rich little goblins screaming at their CEOs to make the biggest profit in the shortest time with no regards to the past or future, and those CEOs? Literal weasels that politicked and back stabbed their way into that position, ready to fuck over the entire company and fail their way into another position somewhere they can make more.

>>96340813
Thank you anon I was confused. Boy how much they changed.

>>96340500
you might be blind anon
That being said, stormies aren't that well liked by aos players either, though they're not as bad as space marines in that regard.

>>96340618
>millennial self-insert fodder was what I was taking a jab at
And claiming it was hiding behind Reforging, when it was staring you dead in the face. I'm almost impressed at how retarded you've been about this.

>>96340859
hes complaining about millennial writing while posting FATE anon its not that serious.

>>96340875
Let's be real here, he probably doesn't even know where that image is from.

>>96340859
>butts into conversation
>"you're wrong for thinking it's cheap allegory and culture war bullshit"
>"stop schizoing out, you're witch hunting"
>entire sections of the lore are cheap allegory and culture war bullshit
>"no anon, there are MORE trannies than you thought"
The TQ is what is the appeal. Well, the appeal is trannies apparently.
Fucking dipshit.

>>96340837
I think that's precisely because Stormcasts aren't as absurdly popular as marines, and therefore aren't comically overrepresented while turning everyone else into de facto NPC factions.

Sure GW will keep pushing them as the posterboys, but fans of other races can rest easy knowing stormies own barely a fraction of the mindshare that marines/imperiun have, and won't ever grow to hog half of all army books.

>>96341006
Yeah definitely. They may be bland and they may take up half of every edition's launch box, but they're not so omnipresent as marines are in 40k. Their releases are also limited to that edition launch period, so they're not hogging hald the releases either.

>>96340934
>>butts into conversation
Specifically about you schizoing out over Reforging, yes. I've never once said sigmarines weren't gay shit.

>>96341155
>hey, reforging is probably some millennial cringe about "society"
>some fag insists reforging is only a marketing move to copy marines
>it turns out to be millennial cringe about "society", worse than my preconceived notions
>"I'm butting in because you're schizoing out"
you what?

>>96341272
>reforging is probably some millennial cringe about "society"
Yeah, and that's a fucking retarded claim to make when the more obvious answer is marketing
>it turns out to be millennial cringe about "society"
Do show me where you came to that conclusion. Even the genderblob faggot at >>96340401 is a genderblob faggot DESPITE his Reforgings, not because of them.

>>96341309
>"like many Anvils of the Heldenhammer, their Reforgings have given their face gaunt, skeletal aspect"
>their
>Reforging

I truly believe most people that shit on the stormcast/AoS don't know anything about either AoS or Old World. I see people on here posting about stormcast having no personalities or that the lore doesn't treat them loosing their memories with enough gravitas when many novels cover this such as the War for the Mortal Realms omnibus. It's as detailed and well thought out as 40k and if you think both 40k and AoS are shit then fair enough hehe.

the only people i know that gravitate towards Stormcast are codex-compliant Space Marine players. they didnt look at any factions, barely know any lore in 40k, let alone AoS, and have said to me
>whichever that faction is that's like Space Marines, that's what i'll pick. Sigmar is basically Big E, right?
and the worst part is that they're not even wrong.

>>96341399
people in this thread would rather sling around their headcannon or shit up this board with culture war bullshit rather than interact with anything related to the hobby.

>>96341619
Wrong, that anon is implying the mechanics of stormcast trannyism was thought out well before the game mechanics were written.

>>96340575
It disproves your ability to speak english.

>>96341344
>Reforging makes you look/act funny!
Yes, like geneseed flaws. Is Salamanders turning giganigga also a social commentary? Or Blood Angels drinking blood and crashing out?

>>96341957
>erm uh esl!!!
Nice.

>>96341997
>black rage is just like AoS trannies' need to self insert
I would call the later a genetic flaw on the consoomer side.

>>96342112
>>black rage is just like AoS trannies' need to self insert
Correct. Geneseed flaws are gay little ways for marinefags to self-insert.
>the later
lmao, should've known. This level of complete idiocy could only come from an ESL

>>96342461
>speaking more than one language means you're stupid
least retarded mystery white meat angloid

>>96342520
>doesn't deny it
lel
Explains everything, really.

>>96339141
>"It is easy to think of Stormcast Eternals as immortal."
>"With Reforging, they are almost guaranteed to return from death, so why would they not throw themselves at every problem head on or sacrifice themselves at every opportunity? While this can make for exciting action, if the Reforging process is not handled with care, death and sacrifice can lose its meaning in your game."

Champions of Order proposes that the GM ought to use the death of a stormcast as not something to flippantly do; proposing things like personality death, actual permanent death (The soul is unable to be reforged due to things I've mentioned previously in this thread) or the time taken to be reforged would be so slow that the big bads are able to do their evil plans unhindered.

I'll have to scour my archives for Sigmarine Battletomes/good campaign books (They aren't an army I play, too tall for my taste) but until then have this:

catbox(DOT)moe(SLASH)pnubfb.pdf
>>96340401
See: >>96320809

>>96344646
Whoops! Wrong file. Here's the actual one:

catbox(DOT)moe(SLASH)xft78a(DOT)pdf

>>96340820
Valve constantly monopolising the market by doing nothing while its competitors constantly commit seppuku comes to mind