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>>96279224

>Thread Question:
Which 40k story would make the best TV series or movie?

Forty Gay lmao

>>96283327 (OP)
>the look I give my friend when he says he's going to bring Imperial Knights for our game

>>96283327 (OP)
>TQ
The Chapterhouse Lawsuit

>arbites throoder back at again
where's the real thread?

biggest aura farming model in the 41st millenium

Was thinking of getting into Necrons and buying their combat patrol next month.
Any tips on what to get after the Combat Patrol to build towards a 1kish list, what are some generally safe essentials? I think everything the necrons have looks kino.

>>96283482
>aura farming
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THIS EVEN MEAN
fucking zoomers man

>>96283502
"he looks cool"

>>96283500
some crypteks, you can do ruins/cover tricks with a blob of immortals and chronomancer, otherwise plasmancers seem to be the choice for everyone
some shops still might have hypercrypt legion BF and thats decent if you want to run a tanky squad with imotekh, and also gives you a ctan

>>96283327 (OP)
>Which 40k story would make the best TV series or movie?

>>96283482
proceeded to get charged by an avatar of khaine in a character fight and pass all his saves because 2+ invun

>>96283327 (OP)
Horus rising. Technically 30k but still.

Don't reply to throoder's thread until the older one hits at least 600 replies
Fuck off

>>96283482
Pic rel farms more aura

>>96283327 (OP)
>Which 40k story would make the best TV series or movie?
>charismatic MC
>attractive women
>many opportunities to show off different environments and enemies of the Imperium
>recurring quirky characters
This also goes for prominent other IG and Inquisitor stories. Amberly's offscreen misadventures could be their own show if GW wants a big booty female inquisitor protagonist.

>>96283482
incubi heads are about the only (d)eldar heads I can stand
same goes for sorc heads and rubrics. an anon once suggested using no heads or a lil bit of daemonic flame/warpstuff, which made me almost buy into tsons

what model is this?

>>96283515
>2+ invun
oh fuck right off

>>96283366
I hate it. Not fun to play against because you either have no solution or you are all solution.

We need proper dragons in 40k.

>>96283541
It's only a 2+ invuln until he fails his first save and then he has no invuln for the rest of the game. It's makari as a wargear item.

>>96283500
Buy Trazyn Cantu Ledesma he will get buffs since he will be in a vidya next year

>>96283515
>>96283561
>woah 2+ invul you lose after rolling a 1? slow roll your saves, now!

With the Saturnine Praetors being like 5 bucks more than a normal SM character, are YOU planning on kitbashing one for 40k?

I can see a whole wave of Nurgle Lords, and Typhus conversions.

>>96283591
Saturnine are fucking huge, GW has gone full retard with their size

>>96283591

>>96283590
You're right. They should just change it to a 12 wound model with a 3+

>>96283596
Looks terrible.

>>96283545
And they know it, too, so they're more likely to push for a 1k game and/or very enthusiastic to play against newbs who bought a combat patrol and a couple infantry boxes. It's also a bad look when you see them try to build lists with as few units as possible because half the reason they chose the army is to interact with the hobby side as little as possible. That second part isn't unique to Knights. People into HeroHammer love building 1k lists around a centerpiece that's half their army.

>>96283595
I hope we see some cool obliterator conversions, or DG possessed.

>>96283595
They're literally as big as Primarchs. It stretches believability more than a little bit that a regular firstborn marine fits inside those and can articulate their joints at all

>>96283595
Yeah, I think Saturnine we got are cool, but I wouldn't have minded if they had stayed more in scale with other miniatures. Also proportions could've been better.

I think design of pic related but then making it same size/scale as that indomitus terminator would've been good.

>>96283604
Open your mind

>>96283596
BZzzzzzzZzzzzzzz

>>96283601
There's a very prevalent knight player at our LGS who always shows up to the newbie Warhammer night and the store owner has scolded him multiple times over crushing new players and warns to newer players about him. I don't know why he does it when he has two other armies (Votann and WE) that would be much better to teach new players.

>>96283610
Much better nurgle model.

>>96283595
Who did it better? GW or Death of Hope?

>>96283595
I just wish they had a normal ranged weapon like an upsized storm bolter that shoots heavy bolter ammo, or a shorter barrelled autocannon.

>>96283596
That version has some proper big daddie vibe going on.

I like it.

>>96283550
What about Dragon Ogres?

>>96283611
>I don't know why he does it
Yes, you do. Same reason their online presence universally cried out in anguish over the drop to t9 and and t11 even after it was mathhammer'd out that the extra wounds made up for it. Mid-table bullies are pubstompers in MtG slang. No shame.

>>96283550
We already have them, you're just an angry scalie ritualposter.

>>96283604
...so Saturnine are another baby carrier just obfuscated?

>>96283595
Wait, that's just the Terminator? How big is the Dreadnought?

>>96283633
isn't that what zoats are more or less?

>>96283537
Look out, im comin for YOU, diabetus!

>>96283636
>We already have them
We don't.
>>96283633
Cool, I guess. But I don't like those guys' design.

>>96283655
>We don't.
Yes we do, not my problem your definition of "dragon" is whatever slop 5E popularized.
But feel free to rock yourself in a chair while ritualposting nomodel digital "kibashes".

>>96283660
the more ritualposts a general has the worse its quality, you can't disprove this

>>96283643
Didn't have the pic of it next to a primarch but trust me its taller than all of the HH series of primarchs

>>96283660
>we do, because [butthurt]
I don't care. Tyranids aren't dragons and never will be. You can keep them and like them, but I won't.
In the mean time I will continue asking for proper dragons and there is nothing you can do to stop me.

>>96283673
>I will continue to be an annoying ritualposter and bring the quality of the thread down because I can't even order a Bad Dragon dildo

>>96283668
fuck that dread looks sick, as a CSM player I would have bought one but no rules no buy FUCK YOU GW! Maybe your fucking Saturine box wouldn't have flopped if 40k players had a reason to buy one, yah fucking CUNTS!

>>96283673
You're as impotent and hopeless as Eldarfags who whine and beg for "giger" aesthetic for wraithbone LMAO

>>96283678
You getting mad and being butthurt already means I won.
You're just making an ass of yourself at this point.

>>96283679
>Saturine box
>flopped
Does any GW product actually flop? Is a flop something that just takes more than one business week to make its money back and start generating profit

>>96283687
for your peanut brain, GW selling 10 boxes is a win because they only spent 80 cents to print all the boxes but the suits are always expecting every GW release to generate at minimum 2 billion quid in profits

>>96283687
The box is a flop when there are dozens of boxes in LGS' and on discount.

>>96283691
I asked you to define a flop and you respond with name calling? Again has any product actually flopped in that boxes just aren't moving. Saw people say the kroot boxes flopped but I hihgly doubt any HH box ever flopped let alone the new starter box

>>96283696
not to mention they did single releases for the kits in the box like a week after the box release

>>96283699
There is huge controversy going on with the latest edition of HH and people noticed some weirdness going on with online sellers as well. It's clear you don't know wtf is going on with HH so I can only conclude your angle in this discussion is being the GW cocksucker.

Rubric Marines > Noise Marines > Khornate Berserkers > Plague Marines

>>96283541
he's had it for several editions secondary

>>96283590
what i had to do in the game, slow rolled every save and passed all of them

>>96283713
>>96283699
>>96283696
Unless and until we see sale numbers and units shipped vs units sold, there is nothing you have except for speculation on a website known for lying about everything.

>>96283717
Is this a list of "from least supported to most supported"?

>had to cancel games today
I am very disappointed, especially as I doubt I'll get another chance for a few weeks at least

>>96283734
why did you have to cancel? did the gf shit test you and said she had a headache and needed you home even though she knew 2 weeks ahead that you'd be busy gaming?

>>96283729
No, it's a list of my objectively correct opinion based on which ones are cooler they're all cool, but I had trouble deciding whether I liked Rubric or Noise Marines more

>>96283721
>>96283654
I don't mind that. The Ironstorm strats are solid and if they bring most of them over I wouldn't mind.
I just want the enhancements to be an aura again and have something other than Master of the machine War for fallback and shoot

>>96283721
Discussion of the troubles with the Saturine box is all over the net and didn't originate from 4chang either.

>>96283721
>Unless and until we see sale numbers
I don't need to see the sales numbers when I can clearly see how much shit is on LGS shelves. Also another big reason which supports the fact that the box is a flop is specifically because the LGS puts on a discount.
Stores usually do that when a product isn't moving anywhere and they need to get rid of that shit so they can get more shelf space back for other products that actually sell and makes the store money.

>>96283432
I'd go all out and say fuckin' Emperor Battle Titans.

>>96283739
nah, had to go help out my dad. It happens, still annoying timing though

>>96283535
It doesn't matter because even if nobody was posting ITT it would still fill up with obvious samefagging from him.
>inb4 schizo

Are Khornates castrated?

I've been using this list for a few years and it does fine with my friends and casuals. I love that it's fluffy and the theme is just taking as much fire as possible. I love infantry and transports, so it's everything I love. I'm super happy in those regards.

However, I watched the WTC matches and I'm not sure how I would do. If I wanted to "upgrade" my list so I could participate in an event like that, what should I be looking at?
There was one sisters player at the event who had a cool list, it was 30 sacresancts with hospitaliers, 2 castigators, and a canis rex. I really like the idea of painting a titan/knight the same colors as the sisters, as a sort of shrine-guard knight clan ally, there's some cool fluff you could work with.

>>96283754
Sucks about your game anon. But always a joy to be able to help your old ones.

You'll get more games in soon I'm sure.

>>96283701
GW doesn't have the flexibility or logistics to panic release the individual kits ahead of schedule like what we saw.
To release them a week after the 3.0 box release was planned more then a month in advanced, more likely over several months in advance.

Which 40k books are the best in terms of sheer quality? (enjoyable or interesting story/characters/prose/etc.)

I ask because I've never read any of them, but when when I look for recommendations online, I get people saying:

>start with this one, it's very accessible
I don't care about accessibility; I guess I wouldn't want to start a story in the middle but I'm not turned off by weird or complex stuff
>read this one, it has the most important lore
I don't care
>just pick a faction you like and read something related to them!
This is a huge red flag; it's basically saying that most of these books are of about similar quality, which generally means they're not very good

>>96283777
I would always go with the list you are familiar with over some netdecking ubber list. You'll win way more with a list you are use to steer.

IF I were to change anything in your list though: You seem to rely entirely on Hunter Killers for your anti tank, which means you'll have one turn of absolute MURDER one unit, but then you're out.

Have you thought about adding in some more anti armor?

>GW celebrates 10 years of AoS with... a shitty sweepstakes to get ugly models
I know GW treats 40k pretty bad, but I guess it really could be worse.

>>96283807
>10 years of AoS
>10 years I've been calling it Age of Smegmar

>>96283719
i dont know shit about eldar, chill

>>96283601
I just opt to not play with those people. I get they want to play big gothic mechs but that should just be a specialist game they have because playing against it requires me to take far more AT and vehicles than I'm interested in

Is Trazyn mentally ill?

>>96283595
well fuck me

>>96283825
argueably the sanest but his baseline values are completely disjointed from the thinking of average necron noble so he seems insane to them

>>96283826
I think saturnine are proto-dreadnoughts.
Or something similiar where if a marine has suffered some wounds and therefore has lot of cybernetic enhancements, they can be given the saturnine suit to fight in since the suit requires some cybernetical enhancements to use.

>>96283826
man this conversion is perfect

>>96283825
Not really.
He's just a collector who likes finding random stuff and then puts it in his vaults on display.
He's more akin to that old stereotype of british nobles who went around adventuring a lot, be it archeological studies, hunting trips or paleontology. And who then brought back numerous trophies and mementos from their trips and display them at their home to show off to their rich friends.

>>96283801
There are no good 40k books.

Except maybe, maybe Day Of Ascension by that slav. Maybe.

>>96283849
Deathworlder is great tho

>>96283849
I genuinely think a lot of people who read have just really low standards. Every 40k book recommended to me has been either kind of bad or just mediocre at best. I get sci-fi is a struggling genre and it's tied into a setting you like but the Black Library guys don't even seem to have the fundamentals of storytelling down.

>>96283873
you say this shit but will probably say your favourite 40k book is infinite and the divine

>>96283884
I only read three that were recommended to me, the first Gaunt, the first Cain, and the Lion book and decided they weren't for me.

>>96283873
All 40k "lore" is just long-form toy advertising the customers pay for.

If you enjoy bolter-porn, that's fine. But 40k books have the same literary value as harlequin clit-shlick books.

Imperial agents expansion is coming...
I can feel it...
>>96283825
To be honest by the standarts of necron madness/psychosis he seems to be pretty functional, he isn't wearing people's skins, changing his whole court to just scarabs out of paranoia or making up plans to turn into the sun. He's probably the most artistically and culturally tuned necron out of their entirely species and some of his interactions with Orikan in TI&TD, specially the ones where he shows interest and care for other cultures while still trying his best to salvage and preserve his own, are quite interesting. It's kinda grim that he is treated both by the fanbase and GW as a gimmicky Deadpool type character when in reality he's probably one of the best examples for "The necron's plight" (immortality and the flesh change killing their minds, ambitions and culture which was constantly evolving, shifting and tragic due to the constant experience with death bringing about newer generations constantly and death obsessed cultures like the egyptians the aztecs just being really fucking cool in real life)
>>96283849
>>96283873
They are bad books. I could never possibly sit down and take time of my day to read them. But they make for great audiobook companion pieces, specially since I take a lot of time to drive to work, which seems to be the general supposed way to enjoy them. Im a pretty big prosefag so the general lack of good use of language and dialogue in most genre fiction works makes me feel yucky but aside from that they really are just audio shows. I mean it's better than most stuff on YouTube these days and I would much rather listen to a novel over a lore video either way... Maybe im just too elitist since I really enjoy "classical" and "high concept" literature (which isnt as hard to get into as people make it to be and doesn't make anyone special) as most of my friends accuse me of being but I can only and ONLY enjoy them as audiobooks

>>96283423
Was already building a Firestorm Assault Force for my Salamanders army, it's nice to see the is pretty much the same rules-wise but focused more on Torrent stuff than Transport stuff. I'm still bringing a Land Raider Redeemer in the list because why wouldn't you, but I'm wondering if I should still bother with an Impulsor or two to bus marines around in.

>>96283837
>since the suit requires some cybernetical enhancements to use.
It doesn't, it just requires some low level psychic potential for reasons.

>>96283550
AoS still needs them ours have hair

>>96283664
It gets considerably worse when the one making the threads is a chronic ritualspammer to begin with.

>>96283940
dragons have always had hair

>>96283905
Is there even a single person happy with imperial agents, it didn't even manage to give us an unnamed inquisitor kit

looking to get back into the painting hobby and actually play 40k this time. collected mostly eldar but they really are not my type of playstyle (i'm a retard).
been looking into WE (they look cool and dont seem to have many datasheets) and necrons (been reading twice-dead king and really liking the lore). which of these are easier for a complete noob to navigate?

>>96283951
That's not a dragon, that's a chimera.

>>96283902
The books would be genuinely better if authors set out to make them simple, well executed marketing material. Every excerpt of a HH novel reads like someone who doesn't understand how normal people think or act writing from the perspective of a supersoldier who doesn't understand how normal people think or act, trying to do a character study.

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>96283954
It did we have a KT...
And nothing else just KTs
Im actually growing quite happier with IA as time goes on because we are getting a ton of our old stuff reworked and even if the crusade rules are extremely weird I can't deny they were definitly written with some amount of care from the writer's part. Im actually feeling bright for the faction's future specially since GW is releasing so many new kits and refreshes as of late
Of course im of the opinion that with this being the richest the company's ever been they could plop out infinitly more stuff way quicker than they are at the moment but I feel this would eventually tire out releases rather quickly. Im not even saying ruleswise but just fix a couple outdated models. Im not familiar with GW's internal logistics and dealings so im probably just saying bullshit

>>96283956
Just make a decision and actually do something I hate you niggers so much

i thought the infinite and the divine was funny and fairly well written but not like a masterpiece or anything. better than the average BL novel but i don't think that's saying much
i also don't play necrons for what it's fwiw

Gauss Flayer or Gauss reaper?

>>96283995
Most of the praise for that book seems to come from people reading brief summaries of what happens in it without actually reading the full book it's strange

>>96283991
You hate new people?

>>96283996
Not the Gauss Raper! That's a warcrime.

>>96283960
No, a chimera has multiple heads
You may not like it, but that's a dragon and so is this.

>>96284001
I believe that's the best way to engage with the storytelling of 40k frankly.

>>96284002
Actual new people see something they like and start going not just endlessly crowdsourcing every stupid little decision online

>>96284015
Sounds like you have this problem only because you're terminally online instead of doing something else.

>>96284006
>No, a chimera has multiple heads
No, chimera is a creature made up of many different creatures. Multiple heads aren't a requirement.

That green one looks like an actual dragon however.

>>96283849
>>96283873
>>96283902
>>96283905
>>96283975
>anti-40k shills
>butthurt eldarfags
>pretentious pseuds and hipters
There are good and bad 40k books, but you aren't real 40k fans if haven't read both

>>96283801
From the top of my head, in no particular order:
>The Lords of Silence (Death guard)
>The Talon of Horus / Black Legion by ADB (Black Legion origin story)
>The Vaults of Terra trilogy
>Watcher's of the Throne duology (Custodes/sisters of silence)
>Dark imperium trilogy (Plague Wars)
>Dante / Devastation of Baal (BLood Angels)
>Assasinorum: Kingmaker
>Apocalypsis, by Josh Reynolds
>Outgunned (IG fighter pilots)
>Severed (necrons)
>The Twice Dead King series (necrons)

>>96284038
>No, chimera is a creature made up of many different creatures
No, it's not, that's only a modern bastardisation, the original chimera and definition of chimera in historical bestiaries is very specific about the multiple heads and what each of those heads were specifically.
Otherwise a pegasus would be a chimera, or a manticore would be a chimera, or griffin would be a chimera, but they aren't and have never been.

>>96283983
Man deldar are the real pimps of 40k. We need more art of dark eldar archons with cconventionally attractive women in chains

>>96284055
Pic related is also neat. A gritty cyberpunk story in 40k

>>96283595
I like them, though the size makes it hard to proxy them as anything other than Dreadnoughts.

>>96284046
>if you don't like the black library books you're a hipster pseud or anti-40k shill

I buy models, paint them, and play the game with other people. I don't have to read trash novels on top of that to pass some faggot's purity test.

>>96283801
if itnvolves a space marine pov, its not good. at all.

Awakened Dynasty
10x immortals with plasmamancer and tesla guns
20x warriors with plasmamancer and gauss flayer
3x scarab swarm
10x deathmarks
3x skorpekh destroyers with scorphek lord
1x doomsday ark

This viable?

>>96283668
That’s bigger than the Redemptor right? That’s too much, that’s not a miniature anymore that’s just a figure.

>>96284066
YOU are the faggot pretending that reading BL is below you and shitting in other people, when you don't know jack shit about you're talking about

>>96283591
I do not like the Saturnine armor design. I have a very fuzzy PLA print of picrel and I think it does a better job of re-creating the original Terminator giant should pauldrons. I tell you what though, those Dreadnoughts are going to sell like hell for kitbashing.

>>96284058
>No, it's not
>that's only a modern bastardisation
>uhm, you see this lion having a snake as a tail, and head and legs of a goat and maybe wings, totally aren't body parts of different animals
You're a funny guy.

>>96283591
Don't really care, but I like the idea with >>96283610. Put the rotors on the larger vents on the shoulders and use it as a winged DP.

I realize now that the big downside in using resin recast over official plastic is how brittle and rigid the bits are.

>>96284046
>t. secondary trying to justify reading blslop

>>96283995
It's fun, and really sets Necrons apart by the plot occurring over thousands of years. Uses their undying, unchanging, nature really well

>>96284076
>shitting in other people
>you don't know jack shit about you're talking about

You're either so hilariously mad that people don't like something you like, or you're ESL and your enjoyment of the books is suddenly and also hilariously recontextualized. Either way, the books are objectively mid to bad and as necessary to the hobby as playing the video games, so not at all. Enjoy them if you want, but don't try to drag people into it.

>>96284085
This is true (I've experienced recasts from a friend who balked at FW prices) but the recastfags here will say thats the same as FW resin (they have never bought or handled FW resin before) or say you are lying and that recasts are better quality than FW stuff.

>>96284076
ESL-kun

>>96284115
Resin is resin I'm just comparing it to plastic

>>96284046
Post models. Even half-assed paint smears such as these are better and more enjoyable than book-slop.

>>96284128
You should post the new underworld models for khorne in
>/aosg/

>>96284077
>I tell you what though, those Dreadnoughts are going to sell like hell for kitbashing
on their release day I watched them climb from ~55 to ~85 on ebay

>>96283604
>It stretches believability more than a little bit that a regular firstborn marine fits inside those and can articulate their joints at all
Look at how far the head of the saturnine is from the arms, and how low those are, that's not a helmet, it's just a set of cameras, the marine sits halfway inside, only the crotch truly aligns with the armor.

>>96284139
more like this >>96283642
move the whole thing up, the user's legs dont bend, they terminate at the knee. implants tell it to walk

>>96284107
>>96284110
>>96284128
You're just butthurt because anons who read books know 40k better than you and enjoy the stories wheter they're good or bad, but you've made your personality about being le based 40k hobbyist. Which is nothing but a delusional purity test that only exist in your minds to feel validated.
That's why you fags jump to shit on the lore at every chance you get, like when anon just asked for recommendations above.

>>96284081
>totally aren't body parts of different animals
I'm not saying that, I'm saying that's not what defines the proper chimera, chimera being used to describe all beasts with body parts of different animals is just the modern bastardisation of the term.

>>96284149
Didn't read. I did notice you didn't post any models, very curious

>>96284128
i really need to finish my canis rex

>>96284146
>the user's legs dont bend, they terminate at the knee. implants tell it to walk
the user's legs will fucking break with every step if you move the guy up the suit
the crotch HAS to align

>>96283537
>>96283826
>>96283905
This just occurred to me: why do we typically highlight red up to orange instead of pink? Pink leans more towards white light, which is natural. Red paint or cloth doesn't shift towards orange or yellow in bright light, it shifts towards pink and sometimes up to almost white.

>>96284128
>wasting money in overpriced, badly assembled and badly painted models to not even play with them is better that reading free pirated stories about your favourite setting
ok, retard
>>96284155
this is not /wip/ retard, go back.

"muh models" is nothing but insecure cope for not knowing anything about 40k. Pure validation anxiety and projection

>>96284180
Again, didn't read. Fuck off back to /v/ since you obviously don't participate in the hobby

>>96283540
>attractive women
Illegal in Hollywood. And if there are any they are given the most form concealing outfits ever conceived by puritan minds.

>>96284046
I was just praising 40k's writing in the same post I talked smack about some of it though...
40k has absolutely phenomenal worldbuilding but very few authors actually live up to it. Lords of Silence is a absolutely phenomenal piece of work for 40k but at the same time it has to share a space with Gav Thorpe's Ynnari stuff (and I actually enjoy his other eldar "path" books!), I love Gaunt's Ghosts and personally it's the novel I would recommend to someone just getting into the setting (alongside maybe 1 or 2 Cain books if theyre more casual) even above Eisenhorn but I have to recognise it's also written by the same dude who made the Siege Of Terra books which are absolutely confusing and filled to the brim with needless shit. Ultimately it feels really dissapointing sometimes but hey they are fun listens and some of them do have insightful characters and interesting shit on em.
My 40k lore and fluff for /mydudes/ that I share with friends over the group chat and crusade campaigns is better than most 40k related pieces, simple as, I should run games workshop even

>>96284187
Nobody should post models when one you fags ask about them. "Muh hobby" is cope, go back to /wip/, this is the 40k general about all things 40k, lore included.
You are the one who doesn't belong here, tourist

>>96284199
Didn't read.

>>96284166
Depends on the red. A yellower red should highlight up to orange and even yellow. A cooler red will go well with pink.

>>96283983
Nice rendition of the ArtelW archon mode actually

>>96284151
>chimera being used to describe all beasts with body parts of different animals
So, I'm right.
That "dragon" is a chimera, it has the nose of a pig, snout of a wolf/dog and eyes and mane of a lion while then having a reptilian neck and clearly dog/cat like limbs alongside a snake like tail and 2 wings.

It's a chimera, not a dragon.

is this true?

>>96284199
>>96284180
No games, no models, and doesn't even pay for the slop they praise? Opinion discarded.

>>96284208
>So, I'm right.
No, you aren't, you didn't even manage to read the post.

>>96284149
I'm gonna be honest man, based on your inability to type coherently and your unhealthy emotional investment I'm starting to suspect you may be a Black Library author.

>>96284139
I like your idea that just the groin lines up.

>>96284194
Good for you anon. There's a shitload of bad to mediocre books, I won't pretend the contrary, but also lots of gems that define the setting.
A lot of people don't now it because they only heard about them when they become online memes. Like anons here shitposting about The infinite and the divine but not knowing about The twice dead king.

It's like the anons who complain about GW doing nothing but primaris, etc when at the same time they published Black Stone Fortress.

It's just loads of uppity and ignorant morons pretending to be the final word in 40k when they're just illiterate midwits

>>96284208
If you're defining all hybrid animals as chimeras then you're describing all dragons as chimeras too, because dragons too are made of features of different animals.

>>96284214
No

>>96284208
That dragon has the nose of a dragon, snout of a dragon and eyes and mane of a dragon while then having a draconic neck and clearly dragon like limbs alongside a dragon like tail and 2 dragon wings.

>>96284218
You don't know jack shit, glue sniffer. Your opinions about anything are worthless. Go back to /wip/

>>96284194
>40k has absolutely phenomenal worldbuilding but very few authors actually live up to it.
You'd hope so after having dozens and dozens of people contributing to it over four decades with constant expansion in nearly all directions. I agree few authors can live up to it because they're just trying to show glimpses of what is already in universe than actually fully understanding why those things exist in the role they use in the setting. Average Bl authors put in space marines in different armour marks and bolter porn because thats cool and in the setting. But they lose the focus that space marines are grimdark janissaries super soldier. Hell the term hypno-indoctrinated is so normalised in 40k the average bl author and fan just brushes over it and doesn't realise what its meant to represent. Its beyond just indoctrination, the awful brainwashing we associate with god botherers but hypnotism is involved, which brings up things like the MKUltra experiments and retwrting the brain through trauma and drugs.
>My 40k lore and fluff for /mydudes/ that I share with friends over the group chat and crusade campaigns is better than most 40k related pieces, simple as, I should run games workshop even
Based and true but it should be me and not (you)

>>96284199
>>96284180
>thinking anyone here cares about opinions of a literal secondary
kek, keep coping

Votann sold more than space wolves

>>96284239
That's sigmar, not the emperor.

>>96284259
Sigmars white

>>96284220
I did, I'm right.
>>96284232
No, dragons are reptilian with 4 limbs, wings, a long tail and scales or other uniform body covering. And don't have random goat legs, snakes for tails or something.
It's not the same thing.

>>96284261
Schwarzenegger is a Sandenegger in name only, unlike the emperor.

>>96284249
Nuh uh.

So... Many... Soulstones...

>>96283873
I think the first few HH books are pretty good. Twice dead king is pretty cool too. Non of the BL books are worthy of any awards but then again neither are most books.

>>96284207
Pretty sure it was concept art for the model itself

>>96284277
Looking worth the effort

>>96284253
>But they lose the focus that space marines are grimdark janissaries super soldier.
They actually don't. In fact most SM stories including the HH are about that, and how they cope with it.
>>96284254
Speaking of cope, "secondaries" is another retarded online meme by insecure losers. Clueless videogame kids intruding in 40k spaces are real, sure. But so are crayon eaters that believe themselves "superior" (lol) just for a bit of arts and crafts. Like they could compare themselves with actual real deal scale modellers.

>>96284297
>In fact most SM stories including the HH are about that, and how they cope with it.
I don't read HH stuff and the 40k space marine I have read didn't touch it but thats just a reflection of my slim exposure to space marine bl stuff

>>96284264
>reptilian with 4 limbs, wings, a long tail
You just described a lizard with wings taken from a bat, head and neck taken from a snake, and horns taken from something else.
That's a chimera by your own definition, which is wrong.
Not all random assortments of animal bodyparts make a chimera.

>>96284055
>The talon of Horus
>good
Lmao it's probably ADBs most cringe work after maybe Master of Mankind or The Emperor's gift.

>>96284302
I won't fault you for that, but consider the memes about the Ultramarines and the Codex Astartes and their origin in BL books (Ventris). Pretty much all their main characters are about neurotic conflics between following their indoctrination and actually doing what's best.

>>96284297
>still coping
this is unironically pathetic, just stop

>>96284257
A win for all manlets everywhere. I'm happy for you my diminutive friend.

>>96284320
yes you should. You though that shitposting here about secondaries and no models made you own this general? Wrong.
Even the Tau coomers are better than you. At least they're not pretentious faggots, just horny

I know how stupid it is to have this dragon argument again, but
>Is it a scaly lizard-looking thing?
>Does it have only one head?
>Does it have wings?
>Does it have 4 to 6 limbs (Wings included)?
>Does it have some connection to mythology/fantasy/magic?
If you said yes to 4/5 of those then yeah it's a dragon. Simple as that, no need to autisticly categorize them into things like Drakes, Wyverns, Longs, and so on.

>>96284297
>But so are crayon eaters that believe themselves "superior" (lol) just for a bit of arts and crafts.
A literal child who slaps three different colors of un-thinned paint on a model and slaps it on a base painted earth tone to play the game is genuinely superior to someone who thinks his expansive knowledge of lore gained from reading potboiler aiport novels means anything.

>space marines on cover
>space marines pov
>space marines
Yeah you niggas need better taste in books. Would only get worse if you wanted imperial guard shit.

>>96284297
Faggots that shit this place up with lore autism are just as bad as vidya secondaries, fuck off

>>96284333
>Does it have 4 to 6 limbs (Wings included)?
Amphiptere is absolutely a dragon as well as any wyrm and the such.
>If you said yes to 4/5 of those then yeah it's a dragon. Simple as that, no need to autisticly categorize them into things like Drakes, Wyverns, Longs, and so on.
Ya agreed. Tyranid Flyers and Heldrakes are dragons :3

>>96284333
It can have no wings and less than 4 limbs and still be a dragon.

I got one

>>96284297
>coming up with all these copes
If you don't paint models and/or play you're not a real 40k fan no matter how much bullshit you try to come up with and that's an undisputable fact.

>>96284355
You're 99 short of having centos then.

>>96284304
>You just described a lizard with wings taken from a bat, head and neck taken from a snake, and horns taken from something else.
A dinosaur with long neck and tail and leathery wings.
I never mentioned horns.

>>96284334
It means something when talking about the lore, unlike your retarded opinions based on nothign but sniffing glue and paint fumes
>>96284341
lore autism is based and belongs here unlike /wip/ tourists like you, go back
>>96284337
funny how's always eldarfags who say that. Other xeno enjoyers have no issue with the lore

>>96284359
Who says I don't? it just doesn't matter when talking about the lore, which was the start of this discussion when you retard began shitposting against it

>>96284370
>xeno enjoyers have no issue with the lore
They get lore?

>>96284370
trying too hard lmao

>>96284333
>no need to autisticly categorize them into things like Drakes, Wyverns, Longs, and so on.
Only people who say this are only mad because they like drakes, wyverns and longs and are butthurt because they aren't considered "true dragons".

>>96283327 (OP)
>TQ
Gaunt's Ghosts, Traitor General. Best book of that series. Self contained 10~ tanith ghosts behind enemy lines on a horror planet. Ends with chaos space marines killing a bunch of swamp people that the ghosts worked with to kill them.

>>96284382
Yes, even good lore

>>96284365
>A dinosaur with long neck and tail and leathery wings.
It doesn't matter if you get the features from different dinosaurs, you're still getting them from different animals because there was no such dinosaur with all those features, making the result a chimera by your definition.

Do not engage with the 5E dragon autist.

>>96284257
How popular are space wolves? I don't play outside my LGS and they don't even really stock them.

>>96284370
>>96284377
>he's also the eldar guy
Fascinating development.

>>96284370
>Other xeno enjoyers have no issue with the lore
Necron fags cry about their retcon all the time

There's only one dragon in 40k. No, Nocturne's "drakes" do not count, those are just uppity fire lizards.

>>96284365
the one dinosaur with bat-like wings had "fur", looping back to >>96283951

>>96284394
Commie Tau, what a joke. All fish commies are trash.

Tau have TWO good books. They had a good book in Commissar Cain and in one of Gav Thrope's the Last Chancers. RIP HERO

>>96284415
Only online fake grogs that don't collect or play Necrons miss oldcrons.
Real necron fans love the shit of their lore, minis and books since 5th (the rules are another story)

>>96284424
I really wish tau had good mechs and dedicated drone squads

>>96284416
If it doesn't have the dragon tag on e621 then it's definitely not a dragon.

>>96284395
>it doesn't matter if you get the features from different dinosaurs
They aren't features from different dinosaurs. Most dinosaurs already have long necks and tails. :)
Dragons aren't chimeras.

>>96284424
>guardfag pretending to know anything about Tau
lol

>>96284416
Years later I'm still not sure how I feel about this aesthetic. A name as cool as a void dragon, is a faceless sexless humanoid with metal wings and tials with a necron rune for a face. Interesting but I dunno if thats what should be a form of the void dragon and secret trapped god in the heart of Mars and maybe inspired the Martian cargo cult

>>96284370
dare you speak the name of /wip/ you model-less hag

>>96284420
I never disagreed that dragons can't have fur.
I posted >>96283550 and it has fur on the underside if you notice.

>>96284438
>They aren't features from different dinosaurs.
If they weren't you would be able to post one dinosaur with both a long neck and tail, as well as leathery wings, but you can't.

>>96284434
>>96284439
These fucking fish were gay every minute since they're release. Not even the good gay where you plug an Ork's bum, the "aww that a really gay shooting phase up ahead"

>>96284443
For better or worse the C'tan got human-like bodies since the start. Which actually says a lot about the necrontyr, I think

>>96284439
the Tau hate is exclusively from IG players btw

>>96284448
Maybe next time get a trip so I can distinguish you from the anon that's been been sperging about dragons with fur calling them chimeras.

Are there more non-militant orders of the Adepta Sororitas than there are militant orders?

>>96284444
There's a reason that general is separate from this one. Go back.

>>96284469
yes

>>96284428
Apart from you having it wrapped up in your head that being a real fan seems to involve loving the lore, which is retarded, the only people still mad about Newcrons were the guys who had collected them and basically had their faction transmogrify underneath them. Even if it had to happen.

>>96284469
Yes, most Sororitas are just space nuns and part of the societies of imperial planets.

>>96283838
Already happening

>>96284471
>don't post about the game
>don't post about the models
>post about the books and lore

I think you should make a thread on /lit/

>>96284394
Is this the one where the Tau abandoned a world to the Imperium because a single Space Marine was still there?

>>96284469
>>96284480
The militant orders make up approximately half of all Sisters of Battle.

>>96284487
Posting models and about games is fine, pretending that's the only thing that matters is not. Nobody would give a shit about 40k without its lore. It's the think that gives values to the IP and makes the minis worth the investment. That's why GW has published tons of it inside and outside the rulebooks.

And you know it, that's why you shit post here instead of in the Infinity or Warmachine general. But you're assmad because there are anons here that know more than you, and you hate that.

>>96284467
>Maybe next time get a trip
No. I wont.
I will be autistic about dragons and nobody will stop me.

>>96284046
Yeah nah, BL is unfiltered garbage and I have literal millennia of actual literature I can read instead of badly written and boring advertisements

What are your model and unit wishes for 10th for your faction?
> slightly larger Venerable dread
> Bladeguard vets with jump pack
> bike characters
> an ersatz tactical squad from intercessors with a special weapon option
> Primaris lascannon gravis
> melee gravis

>>96284481
>This guy is going to whip the Emperor with a giant power maul back to sleep if he stands up

>>96284517
>uppity pseud nonsense
You could also be doing something of real value with your life instead of shitposting against genre books and wasting money in overpriced plastic. Yet you see yourself as "superior"? lol

>>96284535
projection

>>96284535
I didn't say that dingbat. There's an opportunity cost to sitting down and reading, and to choose to read something that sucks instead of something that will enrich your life or at least is well crafted is just stupid.

>>96284497
No, you made that up because you don't like that book being praised by almost all taufags

>>96284535
>wasting money in overpriced plastic
Are you complaining in game General about people actually buying and playing said game? What are you actually doing here?

>>96284515
You are not autistic, you are just dumb and wrong about dragons.

>>96284539
You don't know which books suck and which doesn't beacuse you don't read.
Feel free to use arts and crafts as therapy for your issues, but shut the fuck up about other people's interests

>>96284469
This absolute waifu is not a militant, for example. Her order is to retrieve and protect relics. On the tabletop their models are the banner holders.

>>96284443
>A name as cool as a void dragon, is a faceless sexless humanoid with metal wings and tials with a necron rune for a face.
is it being sexless important?
would you have liked it more if it had a sculpted penis or a sculpted cloaca?

>>96284514
I genuinely don't know the lore for entire factions, freely admit I don't, and I do not care. I'm not a lore guy, mostly because the books are ass and I don't want to read them. You are projecting

>>96284481
>>96283838
>dread with a marine head
Will always be ass. (except Deredeo)

>look inside the new release for Space Dwarves
>it's Tall Robots

what the fuck

>>96284555
Your interests are bad and you getting this mad about it is reflective of you knowing that they are. I like shitty B movies, it's okay. Embrace it.

I know staging a singular squad versus squad battle isn’t the most representative, but Noise Marines are not as good at killing Terminators as I thought they’d be. 3 wounds really make it hard to chip them down so the counter attack isn’t as brutal, while 2 wounds seem easy enough for even Storm Bolters to take kills. When Noise Marines had initiative they often got into drawn out battles they often lost but when Terminators had initiative they could wipe the Noise Marines in a single round of fighting. Hearing how Terminators are not the best in large battles while Noise Marines are very powerful makes me think they were balanced around lower cost games.

>>96284514
I don't give a single fuck about any line of your sperging you've regurgitated so far, keep coping and seething you secondary faggot

driving in the next big city to get to my "local" games workshop is a humiliation ritual. You get to see so many people enjoying the hobby. There is 4 other hobby shops in the same city all in walking distance. Everyone is playing games, having fun - young people, actual my age guys.
Then you drive home to your country side cow town where you need 3 weeks to be able to schedule 1 game with the slightly racist smelly 50yo and the 2 other walking stereotypes just so you can play. Its so unfair. City people dont know how good they got it

>>96284549
>General about people actually buying and playing and knowing the lore about said game
FTFY
You're a shill trying to redefine what's this is about
>>96284563
> I'm not a lore guy
That's ok
>because the books are ass and I don't want to read them
This is where you become a retard. You don't know if books are worth it or not if you haven't read them, and at the base minimum you need to shut the fuck up when other anons talk about them

Won my first crusade game in the campaign after 4 losses, the mission was Against the Swarm where the attacker aka me destroys objectives as an action, once per turn. I just swarmed the board with multiple units and managed to destroy three to get me to 45VP vs my opponent's 20. I killed only one unit in total which wasn't even necessary and only one of my units survived out of 10 but it did not matter. Genestealers also having infiltrator allowed me to destroy the centre objective in turn 1 which was nice.

>>96284567
Dwarves fucking suck who cares

>>96284555
You don't know good books because you only read BL garbage. We can make reductive assumptions until the end of time.
Black Library does not interest me and to force myself to read it would actively make my life worse, so I'm not going to

>>96284565
Hates the dreads that have a marine-style helmet, but loves the dread that looks like a giant toilet seat.

>>96284594
Is anyone else even allowed to publish Warhammer material outside of BL?

>>96284574
I don't pretend 40k is High culture unlike you, and you pretending arts and crafts make you a superior intellectual in the internet
>>96284582
you're the one sperging out everytime somebody mentions the lore. Take your advice and fuck off, retard. Stop talking about shit you know nothing about

>>96284600
Do NOT look at archive of our own

>>96284584
Nta but I skimmed end and the death when it got leaked and it was unfettered sewage.

>>96284600
Probably not? What's your point?

>>96284584
I've tried multiple books man, they're bad and I'm say it when it comes up. So no.

>>96284594
I've read everything from the fucking illiad to the latest Murakami faggotry to get into girls pants.
Shut the fuck up, pseud. Don't talk about 40k lore if it doesn't interest you. Don't interrupt anons talking about it, retard

>>96284560
Not really just describing its form. But actually it is more male than female looking, so maybe just dickless would be more accurate. C'tan shards being unable to breed and thus having no sex organs might be part of their design, we don't know who or if they are able to produce. Might be they were all born from the nameless mist before time for all we know

>>96284602
>Stamping his feet throwing a literal temper tantrum for over an hour over people pointing out his secondary opinion holds no weight
>ERM ACKSHUALLY I'm totally calm you're all the ones who are mad

>>96284599
I like it because it breaks up the human-like silhouette by giving the body a boat-like look + no arms. Its far from perfect but its better than the others like it.

>>96284607
TEATD is a book even most lorefags dislike. It's not one of the "good ones" at all.

I can't remember the last time I read a book other than the Bible, I just watch sloptubes for my lore knowledge or lack thereof

>>96284631
>Avatar or signature use.

>>96284633
I did not want people to think I was a secondary

Is Fletcher of Tabletop Tactics the best painter out there?

>>96284639
not at all

>>96284631
You're trolling but even the pope would say you should read other books than the bible. Dantes Inferno is church approved, the illiad, beowulf, Elder Scrolls lore, history books of the early and late medieval peroid, don quixote, moby dick etc, fucking Dune since you're a 40k fan

>>96284602
>I don't pretend 40k is High culture unlike you

It's a toy I paint and play with other adults. It is not high culture, if it was it was it would have good books and since we both know it doesn't...

>>96284639
I fucking hate those heads man. Its the main reason i hate the thousand sons bot and these are just loud and proud about it.

>>96284627
Says the retard sperging out every time somebody posts about a 40k book. If you didn't care, we wouldn't be having this argument. Stay in your /wip/ lane sniffing glue and leave discussion about the setting and the lore to people qualified to talk about it.
Stop being a nuisssance

>>96284647
I own a bunch of books but I have never read them. I do read some history but thats about it.

>>96284646
There's probably something better but these tyranids are just way too good. like holy shit

>>96284653
>Tantrum throwing secondary thinks everybody laughing at him is the same person
Just give up bro, it's an anonymous board, nobody will know you're a fucking retard in 5 minutes

>>96284639
He's certainly a good army painter.

>>96284658
that skull is godly

>>96284664
>shitposter shill using the same writing style for years calling anon schizo for noticing it
another day in 4chan

Are these good to use as csm bikers? Would I have to ditch the flight stands?

>>96284654
Read more and you'll stop being a retarded edgy 'not really nazi but put nazi shit on your minis'

>>96284647
>>96284616
>Shut the fuck up, pseud. Don't talk about 40k lore if it doesn't interest you. Don't interrupt anons talking about it, retard

4chan isn't a conversation lmao just keep posting bro we aren't interrupting you, you fucking idiot

>>96284673
Trying too hard now
Throw in less buzzwords if you want to be taken seriously

>>96284677
I thought it was funny and was told it was not and to stop and I did. The end....

>>96284674
Way bigger size and bigger bases, anon. Why just not convert the current CSM bikes with nuCSM bits?

>>96284658
he's a fine painter but there's nothing groundbreaking with any of his paintjobs
the freehand on those visors is decent but we have people here doing flames that well or better

>>96284680
That's 2 different anons yours quoting anon

>>96284685
because the bikes are the bigger issue than the riders themselves for me

>>96284673
>actually going full schizo
this is just sad now

>>96284553
You are dumb and wrong about dragons.

>>96284616
I like 40k fluff and I will continue to talk about it tyvm. I'm just not going to interact with secondaries and their media.
>>96284629
True. I've also been putting away at the Ciaphas Cain short story anthology and it's pretty decent. Also read one of those little Red Gobbo pamphlets and it was ok. Was the one where it followed that dok and the grot that ended up being the Gobbo. I'm just not going to force myself to choke down things I don't want to for fake internet points.

>>96284692
How about converting primaris bikes? It had to happen at some point in the fluff

>>96284697
What about 40k Hydras though?

>>96284707
I dunno, I don't give a shit about hydras.

>>96284674
they're a fair bit longer but nothing too bad, you could trim the flight stands to 3 different heights so they don't touch each other.

Just read the spoilers for the terminus decree leak.
Gotta say GW outdid themselves. Think of the gayest dumbest possible thing out could be and somehow they managed to make it even worse.

>>96284720
It's okay. None of that shit matters because GW already declared a long time ago that chaos canonically will win the setting anyway

>>96284720
I like it if you see it as the Emperor setting the GK up to fail and just be killed to a man for some blood magic sacrific for some complicated plan

>>96284725
Then have it win. I am tired of having literally decades of status quo.
Nothing ever happens.
Even the terminus fucking decree is literally "make sure the thing that has been happening keeps happening so nothing ever changes"

>>96284692
May I suggest GWs kinoest system?

>>96284725
>GW already declared a long time ago that chaos canonically will win the setting anyway
Chaosfag delusions. If anything they've gone in the opposite direction with their hints about the Emperor

>>96284734
>Chaosfag delusions
It's not, it's what GW writers and editors say.

>>96284720
it doesn't matter, all that remains is the laughter of thirsting gods
>>96284729
1. that's end times
2. its super duper contigency written 10k years ago, that might've been appropriate like up to 3000 years after heresy, where it wasn't known that the throne will shit itself or dozen other factors coming into it like the imperium degenerating that much. I'd argue that War of the Beast was the treshhold where "whatever happens make sure emps keeps sitting on the throne" was a reasonable solution

>>96283660
>not my problem your definition of "dragon" is whatever slop 5E popularized.
The dragons anon talks about already exist in WHF too and in medieval depictions.

>>96284725
>"GW already declared a long time ago that chaos canonically will win the setting anyway"
>open
>its a single former BLschlock writer inside

>>96284750
Wrong

>>96284524
I'm assuming you mean 11th but
>Catachan refresh for Infantry squad, HWT, Command Squad, and maybe a new castellan-like character or a Catachan Devils Killteam
>New Sly Marbo
>Death Korps Marshal datasheet brought back with a new model
>Tankette squad that can be used as Battleline in the tank-themed detatchment
>Artillery themed detatchment that's good but not so good it's deemed broken and nerfed after a while

>>96284690
2 different anons did not bring up that they read the Iliad to try to try to defend warhammer tie-in novels. I refuse to believe it.

>>96284757
>and in medieval depictions.
Medieval depiction of dragon is definitely not what the anon talked about considering he flipped and called a legit gravure a "chimera" or something.
Dragon is just wyrm, i.e. snake.
40k already has dragons, he is just mad that they don't look like a 1-to-1 copypaste from fantasy.

>>96284728
>>96284725
It's just so retarded. So.. boring... literally an order to maintain the status quo.

Not to mention impossible, 1000 gay knights going against 10k custodies? 2 titans? roasties of sielence? billions of guardsmen.. an infinitely long laundry list of things where they would lose against each one of them individually and they have to go through all of them at the same time.
I wonder if some retarded intern wrote that lore.
I really hope that GW shits their pants when they see the reaction of the community and backpedal HARD

>>96284758
Literally delusional eldar visions in a Gav Thorpe book, lmao.
Yes, that one series that was promptly forgottent and never heard again, while all other 40k and 30k books say the opposite.

>>96284759
meme aside thats just poor prose. I dunno how you can write 'pure white power' for your blonde blue eyed demi god saviour of humanity and not think 'hmm maybe Ill phrase this a little differently'

>>96284775
Thats not what I talked about so idk what you even mean by this

>>96284764
I was the first guy quoted in the post and I am not the other anon arugeing about reading bl

>>96284773
kek anons have really mastered the parody rage bait posts

>>96284763
I did I'm just stupid. Sly getting an update would be nice, but isn't he dead or am I thinking of someone else?

>>96284758
Every BL author gets to shit out some new way to make the setting gayer, as a treat.

So what will the Galaxy look like after Chaos wins? Will it just be soulless Tau, Votann, and Necrons duking it out in Realspace after all the warp storms and the Imperium fade?

>>96284734
Everyone seems to be forgetting about the tyranids.
Once their main army rolls in they would just steamroll everyone else.

>>96284764
Reading the Illiad is nothing special. Neither is reading other supposedly "high culture" books. That's just the baseline for an educated adult westerner in this century.
Somebody saying that reading 40k books is a waste because there are better and important books, just outs that anon as illiterate or a teenager. There's no conflict between reading both.

>>96284770
>he is just mad that they don't look like a 1-to-1 copypaste from fantasy.
I want 1:1 copypastes from fantasy because they look cooler.
Only mad one here based on all posts is you because you seem to take it very personally because I don't care about the supposed "dragons" in 40k design wise.
I can admit that tyranids have a dragonic body plan, it still doesn't make me like them however because I think their design doesn't look good and personally I don't care to make an army of those.

>>96284812
>Once their main army rolls in

>>96284810
It loops back into Warhammer Fantasy but with Tau

>>96284752
>2. its super duper contigency written 10k years ago, that might've been appropriate like up to 3000 years after heresy, where it wasn't known that the throne will shit itself or dozen other factors coming into it like the imperium degenerating that much. I'd argue that War of the Beast was the treshhold where "whatever happens make sure emps keeps sitting on the throne" was a reasonable solution

I seriously doubt emp would do a big directive like the T decree and have it have an expiration date this short.
Not to mention, the T decree was one of the biggest secrets in the 40k lore you absolutely cannot let be something so incredibly lame like like some long expired instruction.

>>96284060
All of the books within the "crime" sub-label are decent. Some are great, but none is really bad (and that means something within the BL). I guess you have to like cyberpunk/crime stories to enjoy them.

>>96284072
WHERE ARE THE HECKING REANIMATORS

>>96284055
>>Outgunned (IG fighter pilots)

Replace this by Double Eagle and Interceptor City if you want good fighter pilot novels within 40k. Both are way better than Outgunned. I'm not saying that its bad, but just outclassed completely.

For missions such as Purge the Foe or No Prisoners, if a unit gets to destroy a unit with a leader attached in one attack sequence, does it count as having destroyed one unit or two units? If you only kill the bodyguard with one attack sequence, the leader becomes its own unit so another unit killing it would mean having destroyed two units for rules but it's something that I'm curious about.

>>96284841
The bodyguard unit and the leader of that unit are two seperate units for the purposes of things that count units being killed, yes. If that was what you were asking.

>>96284819
It's all so tiresome. Why should i ever bother reading any of the new books when I know that in 10 years everything will still be exactly the same.

Crisis suits are just power armor?

What is the most cancerous recent army list you've faced?

>>96284814
There is, because the time you spend reading the latter is time you can spend boning up on the former. No one has time enough for everything.

>>96284852
They blur the line between power armor and a piloted mech exo suit but yeah basically. The difference is that their limbs aren't inside the limbs of the frame and are instead inside a cockpit in the main body.

>>96283801

I will give you the obvious:
Eisenhorn - Ravenor - Bequin + all the short stories. You might not like every detail Abnett came up with for his "Abnettverse", but those books are still amazing, for the worldbuilding alone.

Same is true with the Gaunts Ghosts Series, and all the Sabbat War spinoffs. Amazing worldbuilding, and a great series in itself.

I also enjoyed Harrowmaster more than i would have expected, and also "Legacy", which is the 2nd book of the Enforcer trilogy.

And if copyright issues do not bother you, Zou's trilogy "emperors mercy", "flesh & iron" and "blood gorgons" is also quite a hidden gem, with the 2nd book the best. He apparently took some passages from other peoples books tho, and was kicked from BL for that reason. Still good books, maybe because he copied from good books..

>>96284855
Chaos and Imperial Knights. I have lost by massive margins against them multiple times in the last couple months even with skewing my list expecting to face them. DG is honestly more manageable.

>>96284850
Yes but since at the time of death it's a single unit, I'm not sure if it still counts as having destroyed one or two units. Say you have a Command Squad (5 models) and a lone Infantryman, and your heavy flamer makes 12 attacks to wipe the unit out, is it one unit to be count as destroyed or two?

>>96284855
Fucking World eaters with 3x fiends
Their mele rape blobs are cancer, their weakness should be ranged withering them down on davance, but fiends can rape the shit out of your shooters if they get good rools D3 with AP and after first contact those things get in closer then they can re-roll hits and get even more shit

>>96283801
The Path of the Dark Eldar trilogy is pretty widely regarded as one of the best sets of Xenos books in the whole setting.

>>96284828
Indeed, but the crime books are also interesting for their look into the lives of common citizens in regular imperial planets, and their politics.
>>96284838
Good taste, but Outgunned was great too. I liked the grimdark orks and the propaganda bullshit the main characters have to deal with.

>>96283854
Whats so great about it?
The plot is pretty standard, but the characters being almost all buffed catachan muscle mamas is very weird. Its not outright horrbible, but great? I liked some aspects of that gem-world they were active on, but the rest is pretty whatever.
>sniper dude speaks little and is nicknamed "Ghost".
Come on..

>>96284285
>Non of the BL books are worthy of any awards but then again neither are most books.

I dont think anyone in their right mind would nominate any of them for any award. But that does not mean there is no entertainment to be found there.

>>96284866
Eisenhorn was seminal but Abnett became too enamoured of his own bullshit. It reads more like grimdark Firefly than actual 40k.
Nowadays I'd say that Vaults of Terra is the actual perfect Inquisiton series

>>96284720
Yeah, the biggest problem is that the decree is supposed to be opened when imperium is about to get bonked, and there is a 99% chance that if imperium is getting assfucked, it's completely unrelated to the emperor, it could be tyranids attacking or whatever, in which case the decree would be completely useless.
Not to mention the throne is about to fail within the next 50or so years anyway.

>>96283954
The problem with "Agents" is that they should be agents, not an army working on its own, and especially not a mix of all sorts of inquisitorial henchmen, stormtroopers, space marines, sisters and whatever mixed into one book. Keep those things separate.

>>96284855
>What is the most cancerous recent army list you've faced?
Chaos Knights. But it was at a tournament, and I beat him with firestorm salamanders. So, I feel pretty good about it.

my favorite warhammer book is the one with the fem psyker reacting to souls in corpse starch

>>96284866
>I also enjoyed Harrowmaster more than i would have expected
The 40k alpha legions books are unironically great despite the DEI cover.
CSM characters having to tardwrangle Kharn as a slasher killer in their toes was very entertaining

Do you know of any smiling space marine head besides pic related from the KT CSM sprue or the Felthius DG lord?

>>96284895
>It reads more like grimdark Firefly than actual 40k.
Holy shit. This is the best description I've seen for the series. I'm stealing that one.
I really enjoyed the story, but you are right.

>>96284733
are goliath bikers such a bad idea?

>>96284855
I recently played against a guy who had 200 models of Necron on the table and I wanted to die.

>>96284922
I honestly thought those were the only two. In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium there are only salty space marines

>>96284895
>It reads more like grimdark Firefly than actual 40k.

Which, to be fair, is not necessarily a bad thing. I found it very entertaining from start to finish and i care little if its "true 40k".

I'm actually listening to "the hollow mountain" right now, while painting. Its difficult to judge the book in itself, and ignoring the audiobook aspects. BL books usually have quite good narrators, but the one they choose to read those 3 (i assume he will read the 3rd one too) is just bad. The way he pronounces the individual characters is so bad, its not even funny.
The story itself, so far, is quite interesting but what i like most with Abnetts books is that he often writes a few chapters from the "enemy" perspective too. This is completely missing here.

>>96284932
It should be a good idea, but the Goliath "bikes" are retarded and look like toys. They're like the Taurox.

is lords of silence a fun book

>>96284913
Never judge a book by its cover i guess.
That other AL book with the necrons was pretty good too. Shroud of Night i think? But Harrowmaster is my favourite.

>>96284880
>nooo I should just get to table melee armies at a distance
kill yourself

>>96284955
>is lords of silence a fun book
It's one of my favourite books in general. I don't even like death guard either.

>>96284922
a lot of the berzerker yelling heads look pretty manicly happy

>>96284922
Only Chaos makes you smile. There is a pleased looking head in the Blooded set too, i guess with some easy converting you can make it fit into power armour too.

>>96284941
>This is completely missing here.
It's about keeping readers in the dark just just like the main characters. Seeing the antagonists PoV sometimes removes the tension.
Btw, I don't like audiobooks for the reason you mention. I prefer audiodramas, and there's one as an epilogue to the first book:
>Vaults of Terra - The Interrogation of Salvor Lermentov (Audio Drama, Carrion Throne epilogue)
https://gofile.io/d/JXTXMq

>>96284394
Not him.
I was thinking of getting it, but decided to wait for the paperback. What are the pros of the story? I liked War of Secrets and I'm interested in newer Tau books.

>>96284951
I actually had very high hopes for the Necromunda ashwaste vehicles, but so far.. all of them suck. The Tauros being the only good one, but thats a FW model brought to plastic after all.

>>96284922
Reminds me of how the new(ish) terminator librarian with the old white guy stache. You don't see too many off the wall variations that make them look normalish.

>>96284986
Thanks for the recommendation. I already have it on my SSD. Its funny tho, i usually dislike audio dramas for the fact of having multiple narrators/speakers (and also the sound effects do not really add something for me). If the narrator is good, thats all i need. But if he isn't, the whole listening experience suffers sadly.
But its only 3 rather short books, so i will finish them for sure while painting my own underhive. But i think i would never had the stomache to listen to the entirety of HH books if they would have been read by that guy.

>>96283936
infernus in an impulsor good
12+d6 move
5d6 flamer firing deck
5+ invuln

>>96284932
If you dont mind the bikes design, then for sure. I mean.. outrider bikes look like shit as well.

>>96284989
Is about a bunch of different Tau caste members being forced to work together against pro-imperial insurgents.
It's a great look at Tau society and the mechanics of how they occupy human planets, with the right amount of grimdark.
First Tau book i read besides DW stories and i liked it.

>>96284583
I know that feel man, it's a 3 hour drive to the nearest city for me, and a 5 hour drive to the nearest big city. But I would never go back, city people disgust me. I eat a lot of peaches these days.

>>96284989
I haven't read that one, but i liked the Tau-related books by Peter Fehervari a lot.
Sanctuary of Wyrms
Out Caste
Fire Caste
The greater Evil

All worth reading if you are into Tau.

>>96285021
Can you overwatch out of firing deck?

>>96284583
Yeah, i know this feel. While it can't replace the actual gaming with other people, maybe it might be worth it for you to look into some solo games/solo game modes. KT has some very simple rules to play it alone for example.
Better than nothing i guess, and i actually had some fun with it.

how can i make a female only army that is still tournament effective?

>>96285045
say your homebrew chapter of spacewolves are trans

>paypal charge goes through
>order does not because GW can't hold stock of something I put in my cart
epic for the win

>>96285032
Firing deck says shooting phase and overwatch is done when your opponent is moving or charging, so presumably not

>>96285045
Play Drukhari and get used to greenstuffing boobs onto your elves

>>96285023
Awesome, sounds like it's perfect for me.
>>96285029
Sweet, I got the Dark Coil Damnation and they're all included. I have to get to it soon.

>>96285063
Be thankful and stop buying from them directly.

>>96285021
yes
Firing "deck x" means the transport is equipped with "x" weapons on the embarked models
>use fire overwatch on the impulsor
you shoot 5 flamers + the ironhail heavy stubber + the 2 storm boltors.
flamers auto hit, everything else hits on a 6
you DO NOT get to use the infernus datasheet rule to force a battleshock test

>>96285045
Run knights with only female pilots

>>96285032
>>96285064
>>96285081
overwatch says you shoot "as if it were your shooting phase"

>>96283744
>when I can clearly see how much shit is on LGS shelves
Your local shops does not matter in a worldwide market.

>>96285063
>he buys from GW directly

>>96285081
Firing deck means your vehicle is equipped with those weapons during the shooting phase.
Overwatch does not take place during the shooting phase.

>>96285089
It's literally the example given for "out of phase rules" you confident retard

>>96285032
No, it's considered an out of phase rule. Stuff like Pistol, Big Guns Never Tire and Firing Deck only occur on the active player's shooting phase. When you activate Fire Overwatch, you can't use those stuff because it's not your shooting phase.

>>96285077
>>96285091
the special version of lords of silence isn't available at lgs

>>96285081
does that means those attacks wouldn't benefit from a lieutenant attacked to the squad since it's the vehicle attacking? Im beginning to suspect I've been bamboozled by a friend

>>96283744
>Stores usually do that

Yes, stores do that.. with products they already bought from GW.
For GW, this box did not flop because they sold it to that store already.

>>96285124
NTA but correct, the vehicle equips the embarked guys' weapons so any special rules that applies to those guys DOES NOT apply to the vehicle. The vehicle doesn't get Lethal Hits for example.

I'm back, what did I miss

>>96285098
>guilty of both counts

>>96284513
That's lot of Battle Sisters then. Assuming there really are thousands of non-militant hospital/teaching/window making/serving/ orders.

I've got one more Raider to assemble and paint, 10 Mandrakes and some third party Succubi coming in the mail then I'm done with them for now. I've got all the Marines and Tyranids from the starter box waiting, as well as about 1000pts worth of Sisters, 1000pts worth of CSM, and 1000 pts worth of Scions. I think I want to try the Tyranids next. Ive been priming as much as I can so I have lots to paint over winter. Deldar as a learning army has definitely been like learning to swim in the deep end, but I'm loving this hobby. I broke my back and can't snowboard, hunt or mountain climb any more, so all my budget from those things is now funding my new hobby which has brought a lot of simple joy back to my life. I haven't bought any codecies yet, but the books that came with "the ultimate starter set" were kinda disappointing, so I'll probably start picking up each codex as I go. Can I run my SMs and CSMs as one combined force If I paint them alike? Or say I get the codex from both CSM and SM, can I use units from both in one army?

>>96285091
Theres a ton of online only models you testicle sucker.
>hurr buy them from ebay
>the ebay seller had to get them from somewhere ding nards.

>Aspect warriors represent different aspects of warfare
Then where the hell are the aspects warriors of strategic bombing, or artillery, or airborne operations, or aquatic, or s i e g e warfare??

Behold the booty trim

>>96285303
There are plenty of 3rd party online stores that will sell you those models too. With 20% discount.

Does the Imperium do terraforming?

>>96285344
Yes.

Tabrrnac Esti, god fucking...

>>96285420
....damnit. Learned something today I guess.

>>96285324
I literally can't fathom buying directly from GW their prices are retarded.

>>96285303
Most of the stuff I find on ebay is hobby stores selling at 10-20% lower than GW direct, including "online only".

>>96285137
Those look great anon. I'm not a fan of the space wolves, but those look awesome!

>Morvenn Vahl in a mech suit hits at S8 AP-2
>Buri Aegnirssen, a squat, hits with his spear that he holds in his hand at S12 AP-3
Lmao
I know Morvenn is crazy good but it always bugged me that her strike attack is so weak

>>96285315
This is going to take forever

>>96285420
Qu'est-ce qu'c'est donc que ço

Are physical data cards worth it? I have a subscription to the app, it gets all the updates automatically. Something physical you can read off the table seems nice but I always have my phone too.

>>96285444
This. And if you really, really cant find it, you can always get a recast.

>>96285465
No they become obsolete in seconds

>>96285315
anon I don't want to sound rude but posting an update every time you finish a panel or two might be a bit much

>>96285479
That's fair. I'll stop posting until the squad is done. see you next year

>>96284469

>>96285420
quebecois scum

>>96285465
>nice to have
absolutely
>worth it, considering GWs outlandish prices
nope

That said, their cards are good quality, but >>96285478 too.

Print them yourself if you want to have something physical.

>>96285461
Noir Mat and Noir Mat. I'm not fully bilingual but I know enough I usually don't need to flip something over to tell what it is. Except in this case the Flat Black I was using before suddenly became Matte Black and I only realized it was different after priming a Raider which is now shiny black. I'm hesitant to spray over it again and lose details now. Je suis un pizza.

>>96284763
We already got an new Sly in 8th edition.

>>96285540
When it comes to varnish finish the great thing is that you only see the last one. It doesn't mix with the previous coat or anything.

>>96285507
Nah I'm a prairie boy, had to learn frog for work before I got crippled and now I just use it for cursing. Hail Buffalo!

>>96285548
Okay, that's a relief. Thanks. I was figuring I'd just do the details to match the others and let that particular boat be black hulled. I haven't varnished anything yet. I have some Crystal Clear Matte Varnish , that I'm now second guessing and going to test on my Heroquest minis first, since "Matte" apparently doesn't mean what I thought it did.

Are renegade raiders till good for csm

>>96285515
with the app you never have to worry about them getting lost or spilled on or torn up....

>>96285597
Apps are finite and ethereal. Only cattle are slaves to apps.

>>96285660
wtf the whole edition is finite, it sucks to buy something that will be outdated in 3 months, plus I find the app to be extremely convenient for list building and exporting if I want to print it

>>96285595
Yes

>>96285358
I assume it's one of those super rare techs that they only use rarely.

>>96284469

>>96285742
somebody thought this was funny

>>96285725
no, it just takes a lot of time and resources so it's way better to simply find better planets or make people live in hellscapes with some other means

>>96285688
Enjoy paying a subscription for something that will vanish into the digital void. Buy the fucking cards if you want to paypig for physical, otherwise photocopy pages or print PDF pages or make your own cards. Paying for any app is a good way to see who is a retard and who is not.

>Make gigantic, catastrophic error when putting model together
>Only notice post painting because I did sub-assembly
gonna kms

>>96285315
This doesn't even look good. This is going to be yet another slopper spamming threads isn't it?

>>96285811
I hear you anon. Ill stop posting.

Why do raptors cost as much as legionnaires, or vice versa?

>>96285824
You can post, just not after every brush stroke. Post after each phase.

>>96285811
I'll take his posts over those of a piece of shit like you!

>>96285846
Motherfucker.

>>96285811
Yeah how dare he use up the image limit that you could've used for posting memes stolen from reddit

>>96285824
nta
I'll need to see it done, not seeing the overall effect you're going for.

>>96285344
"The Imperium is not a gentle custodian of such places. After discovery of a candidate planet, the first fifty years are spent in terraforming according to well-worn Martian procedures. All pre-existing life is scrubbed from the rocks, either by the application of controlled virus-chewers or by timed flame-drops. The atmosphere is regulated, first through the actions of gigantic macro-processors and thereafter by a land-based network of control units, more commonly referred to as command nodes. Weather, as least as generally understood, disappears. Rainfall becomes a matter of controlled timing, governed by satellites in low orbit and kept in line by fleets of dirigibles."
Excerpt from Lords of Silence, which I never finished

>>96284128

>>96283849
The twice dead king series is really good

>>96285832
OC vs Mobility

>got my new models and GK codex
codex has really nice art frens

>>96285927
Say thanks to mommy for buying them for you!

>>96285930
if by "mommy" you mean the government payouts from making me permanently disabled and unable to work, sure.

>>96285451
Neutron laser's going to be like S20 by the end of 11th.

new thread
>>96285990
>>96285990
>>96285990

>>96285994
>Page 7
>Arbite image again
kys yourself

Anyone have any tips for kit bashing Bladeguard Veterans? I was hoping to swap out the loincloth and the torso with 3rd party bits I'm just unsure if how much of a major operation replacing the loincloth might be.

>>96285994
Come on man. We won't even have a problem with your love of Arbites if you can just wait until the old thread is dead and buried to make a new one.

>>96285994
>>96286015
>>96286033
samefag

>>96286035
if you don't have them assembled it wouldn't be hard to cut the loincloth off, get a cheap jewelry/hobby saw if you dont have one

>>96285994
You're literally worse than an eldarfag

>>96286035
If you don't like the loin cloths you might as well just use normal intercessors or assault intercessors as the base and just build them with bladeguard arms

At some point a mod kept deleting his threads and banning him on repeat, maybe someone should snitch on IRC

>>96286091
Go do it then. I’m at work at the moment.

>>96286090
Yeah that would have been smart. I was in the shop looking for the new Centos so i just ended up grabbing a box of them instead when i couldn't find him.
>>96286079
I did just order a small rotary tool so I'll give it some practice and see if i can remove them like i want.

>>96286122
See if you can find some cheap starter set intercessors. I'm not familiar with the bladeguard kit but you might have enough arms and shoulders to do two units worth without tabards

>>96284128

>>96284565
huh? do you know what a dreadnought is?

>>96285994
its 400 replies you dipshit. god this website has literally zero moderation except when someone says cute trannies are beautiful and I want to date them and paint warhammer minis with them