Thread 96284736

Hey so there a warcraft thread a couple days ago asking about southwest draenor, I'd like to continue that thread and repost what I wrote. Of course this is all worldbuilding for a tabletop game I'm gonna play :^)

>So since the present lore states that aggramar zapped a mountain to make grond and the draenor we know is made up of grond and the sporemounds bodies, this must be the continent that they came from
>but I do wonder why the evergrowth became a thing on draenor?
>also the old god the arakoa were trying to summon in outland gives me ideas
>the full history of draenor goes thus, in the beginning there was only the one continent, with no world soul the elements where calm thus letting the wild gods dominate
>that is until an old god crashed into draenor and she exerted her will over the whole of the land
>she spawned vast armies to tame the new world and fight the wild gods that wanted to take draenor back
>however with no world soul there was nothing to sustain the old god and she slowly withered away
>over time the wild gods push the old god spawn back then turned the tides and assaulted their god herself
>those that fed upon the old gods flesh where corrupted and became ravenous, devouring all they could get, becoming the 4 sporemounds
>this is the state aggramar found it in, he brought grond to life and killed the evergrowth
>except the old god spawn were never all killed, hiding in places too dry or cold or high for the evergrowth to get them and fighting a brutal guerilla war for eons
>and then suddenly this guy bigger than their fucking planet shows up and brings a fucking mountain to life to destroy their enemy
>this of course leaves quite the impression on them, they make a mythology about how aggramar was the husband of the old god, who after finding her killed by the evergrowth exacted revenge on it
>thus aggramar is their "father" and the old god their "mother"
>In less words, titan worshipping old god spawn
>since grond saved them, draenor the continent becomes sacred ground and they never step foot on it, building an empire on the old continent
>it lasts until they get invaded by ogres
What do you guys think?
Quick and shitty map concept

>>96284741
As for the campaign itself, basic idea is for players to help the poor oppressed old god spawn overthrow their ogre colonial masters. Speaking of I need to come up with an idea for old god spawn that are sympathetic but still keep the old god ugly, any ideas on that front?

A Goria Continent needs

>various factions and forms of Ogres, gronn and gronnlings
>enslaved people like orcs, saberon, aarakoa and draenei
>resistance camps of enslaved people that freed themself
>ruins of some ancient ogre empire vs apexis empire war
>some new OG shit

If this is outland version draenor, ofc we also need
>demons, demon corrupted ogres, demon corrupted beasts and shit
>some new and old ethereal factions
>Ogri´la presence
>some other cosmic forces or scavangers

>>96284807
I was actually thinking it'd be mostly new races, based on what I know the breakers only come from draenor the continent, so only ogres would be on the south west one. Maybe some enslaved gronn and orcs too but they wouldn't be native. Whether draenei made it over I might leave to a coin flip, the arakkoa I think would originally be from there and the ones on draenor are a migration, similar with saberon. Gonna need to come up with some more wild god spawn too now that I think of it.
You know saying southwest/ogre continent is kinda tedious, lets come up with a snappy name with few words. Hows blemmy as a placeholder name?

>>96284791
Been thinking about it for a minute, how about using sea slugs as a base? You can make them look good as a humanoid but are still able to make a horrible old god too.
The old god I was thinking could be a pallid mass of flesh covered with lips, which maybe seems fine until they open those lips and reveal a tongue covered in horrible sharp teeth. Oh and also it has eye stalks too. Would this be good?

>>96284807
>>various factions and forms of Ogres, gronn and gronnlings
Don't forget the Ogron, Magnaron, Goren and Ogre Lords.

And I'm not sure if the Ettins are supposed to be part of that lineage or if they're native to Azeroth. I bet not even Blizzard is sure.

>>96289444
It's my headcanon that ogre lords are actually half gron half ogre. Since it seems female gronn are extinct the surviving ones turned to ogre women, thus making ogre lords and conveniently replacing the seemingly also extinct ogron as the middle men of gron society.
Speaking of, what would a female gronn even look like? Hard to imagine...

>>96289841
It's not like we see any female ogres either.
Besides it's possible that female gronn look almost exactly like the males

>>96290136
We do see them in art, just not the game. They look exactly like what you'd expect, big chubby girls with horns.
So I guess girl gronn would but gorilla walking muscle girls with one eye and spikey backs?

>>96285510
After drawing for a bit,coming up with a basic design I learned that rockflayers are a thing and probably a good candidate. Not sure if I should bother using the slug people...

>>96290866
I mean it's gonna be a big continent, there sure would be space for more races

There's also the ravagers who look a lot like the Old God made silithids

>>96290916
Ravagers pre-shattering look even more like silithid. It's pretty obvious blizz was planning to put an old god on draenor, the problem for me is I wanted to do something different than the bugs that are already on azeroth but everything we currently have points towards exactly that.

>>96285510
>>96290866
>>96290916
>>96291394
This might be a batshit retarded idea but hear me out:
The Zerg in everything but name.
Hell, keep their name but just change their backstory a bit.
Like a small hive that crashlanded in the planet and got adopted by the Old God(ess)

Yes I know they're not from Warcraft but there was a hydralisk in the night elf campaign.
If you think that's too much of a strech remember that Chen Stormstout was just a funny joke character before they made an entire continent for him.

>>96291897
Zerg would be too OP, would certainly wipe the floor with ogres.

>>96292093
>He's underestimating the might of Goria
Rookie mistake.

>>96292256
They lost to orcs

>>96292320
fair point
Speaking of, what new orc and ogre clans should there be?
I'd imagine there'd be some from the mainland like the Highmaul, but like we've seen in Azeroth new clans will splinter off and be formed.

>>96284741
In Chronicles, they tell us that the main thing different about Draenor is that with no Worldsoul, there is an overflow of Spirit. Worldsouls likely use Spirit like a chick their eggs contents. Overflow of spirit equals tamer elementals as the elemental forces are kept in check, but also leads to gigafauna and unstable species like the Everbloom which dominate the land.

I think the Old God spawn idea is neat, though. Personally I'm a big sucker for the Arakoa and I'd probably try to integrate anything Old God related to them somehow

>>96292525
Some aditional quick thoughts:
- Orc settlers, perhaps seafaring, maybe some lite-polynesian style? They'd be like the Tuskar with settlements along one of the shores, perhaps the north-eastern side of the continent.
- One coast should be a full Zangar infestation. Story beats could be about stopping or harmonizing with it, while ogres lead an aggressive purge campaign using slave labour that gets eaten by the Zangar spore creatures
- Mid continent should be a wasteland, perhaps the path that Grond took
- Old God species mostly ignorant of actual Old God void magics, that is relegated to a set of cults of fallen Arrakoan pilgrims that received glimpses of prophecy of bringing back some form of Old God power bacm

>>96292418
I would think it'd mostly be new ogre clans since in my conception the only orcs would be imported slaves. So therefore any orc clans would be similar to the shattered hand in that they rebelled against the ogres. Maybe have some maroon orcs as well.
>>96292525
As far as I can see the arakkoa are the spawn of draenor wild gods. So beyond the typical dark whispers and corruption not sure how they could be connected.
>>96292569
>Mid continent should be a wasteland, perhaps the path that Grond took
I was indeed planning to have gronds foot prints be a major geographic feature.
>Old God species mostly ignorant of actual Old God void magics, that is relegated to a set of cults of fallen Arrakoan pilgrims that received glimpses of prophecy of bringing back some form of Old God power
Yeah this is the sorta thing I was going for with the titan worship, maybe I could tie the arakkoa to the old god via sethe? In essence he seems kinda like hakkar who has some connection to g'huun. Kinda hard to elborate as blizz never clarified what hakars connection to g'huun was either.

>>96289444
mfw

>>96284807
>>96289444
>>96289841
Ettins were almost definitely intended to be from Draenor, they are always found with Ogres and there was that old Warcraft Magazine that had Brann dig up their skeletons on Outland, then some little sidequest that mentions an Ettin had been haunting an area for centuries that threw all that out.

>>96292747
It's kinda frustrating how often things are set up in WoW and then theres just no pay off cause plans change. The lack of long term planning is really evident at blizz.
Another thing that pisses me off are pointless lore change, like mag'har being retconned to be made by the gorians, what was the purpose of that? They don't even do anything with it other than making rexxars dad a mag'har instead of an orc.

>>96292804
Mok'Nathal, not Mag'har.

>>96292831
Right

>>96292861
A fine specimen of a Mok'nathal.

>>96292804
Wasn't Leoroxx always meant to be a Mok'nathal?

>>96295270
No, thats a chronicles retcon, the questline in outland doesn't outright but heavily implies leoroxx is an orc since rexxar mentions he "wanted a mok'nathal as a son"

>>96295663
Didn't he mean that as in part of the mok'nathal tribe?
He said that being a half-breed and a mok'nathal isn't the same thing.

>>96295683
Yeah again, this heavily implies to me that he's an orc, not a half ogre

>>96291897
>If you think that's too much of a strech remember that Chen Stormstout was just a funny joke character before they made an entire continent for him.
Not this nonsense again, no pandarians were never considered a joke race by blizz, no they weren't an easter egg in warcraft 3, chen was a major character in the founding of durotar. MoP wasn't the first time blizz wanted to include playable pandas either, they were gonna be alliance before getting replace by draenei in BC.
This stupid myth is by far the most annoying one in the warcraft community.

Where do you think did WC1 Blackhand got his antlered helmet?
I've searched it and there don't seem to be and kinds of deer in Draenor or Outland.

I'm the anon from the last thread with the Human rogue/alchemist character. I regret to inform you the character died, RIP in pieces. They died while trying to steal gold from Kobolds. My new character is a Nelf druid, wish them luck. Fun little detail from the Dark Factions book; the Cenarion Circle faction is listed as having only 371 members. This implies that there are either a very small number of Druids or that many Druids never join the Cenarion Circle.

>>96298258
Presumably after arriving in Azeroth. It could be custom-made, or it could be something he took from a knight called, I dunno, Sir Buck of Stagholme after slaying him.

>>96298505
I've always believed nelf druids are cucks
Like soldiers but even worse

>>96298505
Not surprising when you consider how sparsely populated much of Kalimdor is and how many of the Night Elf druids are still just sleeping in the barrows (either willingly or not because of Nightmare shit)

>>96299011
>nelf druids are clucks*
Big wildkin chickens confirmed
>>96299432
The number of nelf druids is even smaller once you consider Tauren druids in the Cenarion Circle. That leaves maybe 150-200 tops

>>96295270
>>96295663
>>96295683
>>96295685
The entire tribe in Outland are massively oversized, they're all Mok'nathal.
>>96298258
Would be funny if the first deer they saw they assumed was important because of all the spikes.

don't forget that when you die you go to the maw where this grey thanos motherfucker will torture you eternally for unspecified reasons. yes even if you were a good boy in life.

>>96301561
Don't worry our lord and saviour Christ Metzen is going to reretcon that.

>>96301561
Nah it's all good, mid redemption arc Sylvanas got you

>>96301561
Yeah, but only for a timespan of like 2 or 3 years. Just dont die in those particular 2 or 3 years and your fine.

>>96302211
>shadowlands are a construct or artificial intervention
I mean, there being a literal forge of afterlives where robots build afterlives kind of gave it away, no?

One thing that bugs me is that there are no forest trolls in Outland.
I mean they were clearly there when I played Beyond the Dark Portal.

>>96305382
Yeah outland forest trolls would be super cool. Do you think they'd go fel like the orcs? What would fel trolls look like?

Made for doggy style

>>96305382
>>96305382
I figured they retconned those to just be axe-throwing orcs.

Or the fel orcs sacrificed them to Magtheridon.

>>96302211
>>96303080
The First Ones themselves are still really stupid. They're just... Titanier Titans. Much like Dragon Isles Centaur are "The original really real Centaur" throwing out the ones from WC3 and Vanilla.

>>96308368
Thats danuser, one of the new writers who took over after metzen left. Doing the hack writer tradition of retconning everything the much better writer did before you.
Imagine being a worse writer than metzen lol

>>96292418
I think there should be a group called the bag carriers as an homage to the furbolg.
They were orcish slaves imported to the continent long ago, too the point that they gained the trust of the ogres and are now basically freemen of the colonies.

The 'community rules' towards the end of the 2E core rules are very interesting. Has anyone messed with these before? They are intended for player controlled settlements but are versatile enough that one could use the rules for a player run business or adventurer/mercernary company

>>96284736 (OP)
Do you have any system stuff down yet, OP?
and I feel I should state I'm not that cunt who asks "what system?" or "traditional games", I'm interested. I ran a short homebrew warcraft game a decade ago, and I think I still have notes and a system skeleton somewhere.

>>96315381
not OP but here is the link to the WoW 3.5e port.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/2lf1663yv21q3/WarCraft

>>96314319
An orcish clan that's about bending the knee does sound interesting, and it contrasts clans like the Shattered Hand and Warsong who are all about "never being slaves".

But what does the name bag carriers have to do with the furbolg?

>>96315381
I was just gonna use 5e
Boring I know

>>96316253
The furbolg from irish mythology, thats what furbolg means in gaelic, bag carriers.

>>96284736 (OP)
I wonder how this thread was allowed. /tg/ hates Warcraft as a whole with passion, at least considering the reaction of some fa/tg/uys anytime anything Warcraft related appears

>>96316708
>I wonder how this thread was allowed.
doesn't break any rules.
>/tg/ hates Warcraft as a whole with passion
d&d 5e is more hated and they have a general.

>>96316783
Yet no Warcraft General was made in years. Probably because some assholes still think it's not /tg/-related

>>96316708
>>96316825
I've seen the occasional Warcraft thread pop up every now and then.
It's not exactly common but I wouldn't say it's not allowed.

>>96316825
beacuse you cant really have any meaningful rule discussions because no ruleset exist (other than 3.5e and the 5e conversion) and any and all lore discussions revolve around "lets turn stuff back to classic and ignore everything concurrent.". And there is only so much new ground to cover in regards to a fresh classic start. Add to that the giant amount of ex-wow players who treat wow like a scorned lover and uncontrollably seethe at the mere mention of it.

>>96316825
As someone who used to post in the warcraft generals, they kinda just fizzled out. People got bored as the lore got worst. Really threads like this where people try to fix blizzs awful stories and follow interesting abandoned plot threads are all we got.

The Dark Factions book has a prestige class called the 'Subversive'. It's a trap specialist with some Druid/Hunter features mixed in. Anyway, the class lore is a bit blatantly inspired by real life eco terrorists of the logging site sabotage variety, which in my opinion, is hilarious. I'm going to sneak a Furbolg Subversive npc named Una Bombpaw into my current campaign

>>96317001
I think they seethe because they think "wow ruined fantasy forever", at least majority of those setthing

>>96317744
On the contrary, I'd say comic books and marvel ruined warcraft rather than warcraft ruining fantasy.

>>96317755
Can't argue with that. They made setting more casual to attract more people to their playerbase. Not to mention Flanderization of "moral greyness" back to always good protagonist faction Alliance and evil Horde.

>>96317805
>They made setting more casual to attract more people to their playerbase
I don't think this is the case, I don't even know what making the setting casual even means. The issue so far as I can see it is generational churn. The people who made blizz and warcraft what they are are in their 50s now, mostly retired. You see that thing immediately get worse as soon as metzen leaves, the people who replaced him just could not tell a good story. Not to mention as soon as he comes back things stabilize somewhat. The young writers wanted to emulate what they liked growing up which was marvel and game of thrones. Not realizing that not only those two things a terrible combination but both a poor fit for Warcraft.

>>96317805
Evil Horde that can't truly be evil and will inevitably suffer a quick civil war, ending with players siding against the evil warchief and teaming up with the Alliance to take them down. This creates a mess that satisfies nobody, as neither those who want the Horde to return to its original evil nature nor those who want the Horde to be filled with races that are more morally questionable than those in the Alliance but not full-on evil get what they want.

I wanna talk about the leaks and blizz for some reason cutting howling fjord, borean tundra, grizzly hills ands zul'drak. What is metzen thinking?

>>96318636
Was it confirmed that it's official?

>>96317001
this all feels fair. It's hard to have a true "general" when there isn't enough to sustain a conversation.
We could do an Occasional Thread (Irregular Thread?) like one guy does with biodungeons. Make thread, discuss, make a new one if it survives healthily, but let the topic die for a month if the thread feels like it's run out of gas.

Anyway, I dug up my old Warcraft homebrew. I used a hack of a hack of cortex. It looks like it was unfinished when I ran it and I basically just bodged bits that players wanted to use, and then never finished anything else.

>>96318216
They try to pander towards those who think Alliance is the protagonist faction like in WC II and III, without killing off playable Horde, which would result in losing half of the playerbase.
That's why every time Alliance does something questionable (at best), turns out to be justified.

>>96319567
>III
If anything, Scourge was the (villain) protagonist faction of III.

What's druidism in Draenor like?
The Arakkoa and Lost Ones practice it to an extent but it's not as advanced or focused as Night Elven Druidism is.
I can imagine it heavily associated with the Evergrowth and the Primals.

Maybe the Flowerpicker clan would practice it?

>>96319860
In Regin of Chaos it was the good guys who won (Nelves, Alliance and Horde).
The Frozen Throne was more into making Arthas and Scourge protagonists.

>>96319567
That's because the Horde condemned themselves to being the villains by accepting the Forsaken, in addition to becoming enemies and practically betraying the Night Elves for a bit of wood.

>>96320045
I could imagine the Arakkoa leaning into a self centered kind of Druidism that revolves around birds. They view birds as the pinnacle of nature because of the physical resemblance to themselves. The Arakkoa Druid collects a flock of bird companions and elevates their power with nature magic. Alternatively you could view this character as a Beastmaster with spellcasting in place of martial skill. It could also be interesting to have a Druidic group with a very strong focus on plants, maybe they don't view animals as having any place in the balance

>>96320045
>Flowerpicker clan
Knowing what flowers where like on the old draenor gives me an idea to make this clan less silly. What if they were anti-primal fanatics? To the point they warred with other orcs for not warring with the primals? Maybe they even ate them?
I think to think the clan banner is a hand holding a severed mandragora head.

>>96320451
In RoC it's more fair to say that it's everyone versus the Burning Legion. Even Arthas helps out with the fight.
TFT is basically Arthas v. Illidan, though Illidan is clearly the villain because he's helping the Burning Legion.

>>96321538
>What if they were anti-primal fanatics?
Nice idea
>To the point they warred with other orcs for not warring with the primals?
I don't know about that. I'd imagine most orcs would fight any primals they come across.
>Maybe they even ate them?
Definitely.

I always imagined the Flowerpickers to be incredibly secretive but spread out across the world. Most of the other orcs would be unsure if they even exist.
Maybe they'd use druidism as a "fight fire with fire" kind of deal. They'd enslave various plant monsters to do their bidding, much like warlocks enslave demons. They'd manipulate ancient roots deep within the earth to communicate with eachother.

>>96324247
So they took the shaman attitude to druidism?
Basically, Nature will serve us instead of ruling over us?
I could see that working for an orc.
Plenty of alchemy potential too, could be thats how they got their name as they are only, rarely, seen gathering herbs

>>96324399
>So they took the shaman attitude to druidism?
>Basically, Nature will serve us instead of ruling over us?
Well that's not really a shaman attitude, since they are more about being harmonious with the elements.
It would be closer to a dark shaman or mage approach.

It might be interesting if druids in Draenor are viewed in a similar way warlocks are in Azeroth.

>Warlocks are anathema on Azeroth. Druids occasionally mixed up with Shamans by the unaware.
>Druids are anathema on Draenor. Warlocks initially seen as funky shamans by the unaware (Gul'dan backstory, IIRC)

Something like that, right?

>>96324872
I think thats a pretty fun dynamic. I wonder if this attitude persists into the orcs of kalimdor? Perhaps that would explain some hostility to the kaldorei.

>>96324872
For the most part yeah.
Although I think races like the Arakkoa and Draenei wouldn't really mind them.
It'd mostly be those of the Breaker lineage that shun them the most.
>>96324930
I don't think they've ever commented on that have they?
And they seem to be ok with the tauren druids.
But then again, they haven't been on Draenor for ages, and after all the shit they've been through it's natural their attitudes would change.

If you think about it, the Evergrowth is kinda like the Legion/Scourge but for life.

I liked the time rifts event

>>96284736 (OP)
What exactly IS the Warden's Avatar of Vengeance in lore?

Is it some form of magic? Just autism in it's purest form?

>>96328201
I figured it was just shadow clone cause it just has maievs voice

>>96328201
"No one knows exactly how avatars of vengeance form. Some claim that, when a person with a great need for vengeance dies,
his spirit becomes an avatar of vengeance. This story cannot be true, though, as avatars of vengeance are not undead creatures. Rather, they are beings composed of the raw energy of vengeance and vendetta; they are revenge given physical form.

Avatars of vengeance are rarely encountered naturally,nor are they summoned. They are born of a terrible wrong or bitter emotional state — when an individual seeks vengeance with all of her will, she may inadvertently
bring to life an avatar of vengeance. The spirit has a will of its own — even if the individual who created it remits her hate. The spirit does not stop until it claims vengeance upon the perpetrator of the act that caused its creation. Avatars of vengeance do not speak. Most believe that they understand Common and a few other languages, but they have no interest in communication." Copied from the 'Alliance Player's Guide'

tldr; it's a revenge elemental made of revenge energy, the same way that a Naaru is just a positive energy elemental

Amusingly, this creature description states that "nor are they summoned", however, you use a high level warlock spell (which the warden acquires as a spell like ability) to...summon one. Kek

>>96318636
could it be that rather than northrend we are getting a underground version of it now that nerubians took a more important place in the story? idk i havent played since legion

>>96307816
that's a missionary face but you're a coward

>>96329860
I always thought Azj-Kahet was testing grounds for Azjol-Nerub.

>>96331225
You haven't seen the ass though

>>96328006
I know they're effectively mascot brand slop (God I hate that term), but I legit think Azmerloth was legit the most interesting of the Time Rift scenarios.
>PWWWR
The most legible captcha I've ever seen.

>>96332828
Why? It's just azeroth where everyone is a murloc.
The one where the burning legion won the war of the ancients at least has interesting possibilities for a campaign.

>>96324247
I think you combine this with the people talking about south draenor clans to get something interesting. Would explain why the flower pickers are so rare on draenor as well as saying something about south draenor, evidently primals are still a huge issue over there as well.

>>96284736 (OP)
Traditional games?

>>96329582
>tldr; it's a revenge elemental made of revenge energy, the same way that a Naaru is just a positive energy elemental
I hate overly elementalized magic.

I wish to break the fingers of everyone involved in the cosmology wheels from Chronicles onward.

>>96329582
Where would you place revenge energy in the definitive Warcraft Magic and Cosmic Chart™?
>>96337064
But anon, how would we know where every type of magic and entities come from and are aligned to?
How would you have done it?

>>96337053
yes

My current campaign is going well enough. I already have ideas for the campaigns I'd like to do after this
-players are members of the Scarlet Crusade, campaign begins at the Scarlet Monastery
-players are on Outland, prior to the events of TBC. Either natives or outsiders, they must now survive on a broken world
-players are members of the Illidari prior to the events of TBC. They will clash with the Burning Legion while aiding Illidan Stormrages effort to capture Outland
What about you lads? Do you have any dream campaigns you'd like to run / play in?

>>96339004
Either of the outland campaigns sounds like fun, what kind of races would be available for playing? One detail I've always thought would be interesting for a campaign are the remnants of the portals that ner'zhul opened. Some of these go to burning legion worlds but I remember a tidbit that when deathwing tried to flee into one of these he ended up in deepholme bizarrely enough. Makes me wonder where else the portals could lead.

>>96339519
>what kind of races would be available for playing?
Well there's the natives like the orcs, arakkoa, ogres, etc., the not as native variants of Draenei, the Alliance invaders(humans, dwarves, high elves, gnomes), Ethereals and maybe some Old Horde races like goblins and forest trolls depending on how canon you consider WC2 gameplay to be.
And if it's set after the Frozen Throne you can have night elves, blood elves and naga.
And also demons.

>>96318636
Fake as hell, Grizzly Hills and Howling Fjord are two of the most beloved zones in wow history. Blizzard practically remade Nagrand for WoD, they wouldn't remove them in the Last Titan.

Most likely our faction hub will be Icecrown, makes for a unique opposite to the WotLK and moves us away from Dalaran again. From there, Crystalsong and Dragonblight will probably be one zone, Boring Tundra and Sholezar basin combined, Howling Fojord and Grizzly Hills, and Storm Peaks with a Zul'drak sub zone.

>>96339004
Do you have any dream campaigns you'd like to run / play in?

this elaborate chase after Atiesh during Classic/ BC, involving horde, alliance, scarlets, scourge, Belves (burning legion), set in Lordaeron, deeply involving all the local factions and sees people like Kadghar come back from Shattrath to join in as major late game questgiver NPC

>>96339950
One of my ideas have been a reverse scepter of the shifting sands quest where you play as qiraji (maybe with the help of cho'galls twilights hammer clan) who managed to get out of the barrier who now must find and reassemble the pieces of the scepter and bring down the scarab wall.

>>96339519
>Either of the outland campaigns sounds like fun, what kind of races would be available for playing?
This anon more or less sums it up >>96339578
Outland is a strange enough place that a party could easily consist of a very mixed group of people. Even demonic servants of the Illidari could be PC options
>>96339950
>Do you have any dream campaigns you'd like to run / play in?
I simply have too many dream campaigns, I'm happy with I can get these days. My current campaign is already one I've always wanted to do. It's the players investigating the early silithid outbreak in central Kalimdor prior to gates of Ahn'Qiraj

>>96339950
>Belves (burning legion)
Oh you're keeping Kael betraying Illidan (or illidan going back to Kil'Jaeden or outright dying)

Naga women are hot

>>96339004
>players are members of the Scarlet Crusade, campaign begins at the Scarlet Monastery
Unless they're all down for an evil campaign, this will not go well and they will probably leave for the Argent Dawn.
>players are on Outland, prior to the events of TBC. Either natives or outsiders, they must now survive on a broken world
This sounds cool.
>players are members of the Illidari prior to the events of TBC. They will clash with the Burning Legion while aiding Illidan Stormrages effort to capture Outland
Could be folded into the previous idea. If they want to help Illidan, let them.

>>96344953
Illidan had this in front of him and still never got over Tyrande

>>96344961
Dude had a bad case of oneitis
He had tons of women under him he could've went but noooooooooo only tyrande would do

>>96344958
>they will probably leave for the Argent Dawn
Or the Brotherhood of the Light, who I think are supposed to be a compromise between them.
Though they never really do much other than fighting the Scourge which everyone does, so I'm not sure what makes them different.

>>96344961
>>96344969
Didn't he have a harem in the Black Temple?
And then Blizzard added men to it in the Shadowlands update, retroactively making him bisexual.

>>96344980
Tbh illidan being bi makes sense

>>96344980
>>96344984
I don't think he's into men per say

>>96344980
always assumed those weren’t meant for him, but for the high-ranking Illidari. Their aesthetics are very blood elf coded, and we encounter them on the way to Mother Shahraz. The fight that follows, set in the "Little Silvermoon" of the Black Temple, is the Illidari Council

Archimonde is just an anagram of arch demoni

>>96347546
Kil jaeden is just an anagram of aliened

>>96337691
>Revenge energy
Well, new cosmology just revealed that hybrid powers exist that are a mix of the six. Revenge sounds almost like a Fel-Order hybrid, as contradictory as that may sound, but maybe better to just do Fel-Fire of sorts

>>96348395
What about the lust energy that is generated every time I see Sally Whitemane's milky pale thighs?

How many afterlives are there by now? And I mean outside Shadowlands.

>>96350039
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Shadowlands#Other_afterlives
About nine I suppose
There's also the Everlasting Party of Goblins and the Hunting Grounds of orcs.

>>96284741
The shape of the continent is a bit boring, I know it's just a brainstorm but surely we could do better than an oval?

bump

>>96344961
>Faceless tentacle hair like the Legion model update.
Absolutely Disgusting.

Snake hair or bust.

>>96344980
>Didn't he have a harem in the Black Temple?
There was A harem in BT, but as >>96345976 stated it was assumed to be a Harem for the Illidari more so than Illidan himself

>>96317001
>>96316825
So. I thought Warchief Gaming was gone forever, abandoned and with stretch goals still left unfulfilled too. This went out the other day, supposedly written by Chris himself. They confirmed in the comments that the stretch goals would be delivered, so what if...

What if the "more fun" topic turns out to be, with Metzen returning to Blizzard, them using Warchief Gaming to make an official Warcraft TTRPG product? I somehow doubt it would be its own game, but on the other hand I never in a million years thought FFXIV would have its own TTRPG either.

>>96359340
I hope it's a new warcraft table top rpg. It's been 20 years since the last one, it's about time to give it another go. It'd also be a good place to explore things that weren't or can't be in the MMO, like the ogre continent in OP or pre-shattering kalimdor.

>>96359340
>>96359407
has Warchief Gaming even the capacity for such a huge project? Seemed more like they are a rather small studio with one single product under their belt.

>>96359469
Anything is possible with Phil Spencer's money.

>>96359645
Why would phil spencer wanna spend money on this?

>>96296690
If pandaren were indeed playable in TBC, do you think that panda Kael got from that bonus mission would play a central role?

>>96362829
would have been kino.

>>96301561
Not canon (to me)

You know, I've found it a bit strange how in Beyond the Dark Portal it introduced 7 new orc clans(excluding the Flowerpickers) but the human kingdoms remained the same.
How would you introduce new human factions there?
Since it's set on Draenor they might not be kingdoms but maybe like colonial factions.

>>96318636
>>96319207

What leaks are these?

>>96365178
They're fighting to keep a toehold on the other side of the dark portal and between the closing and opening of the portal, every human kingdom besides stormwind got blown the fuck out so hard they no longer exist.

>>96365224
From one of the War Within trilody XPacs, I believe. Can't remember if they were discussing part 2 or 3, though.

>>96365178
Why is it strange? Of course they'd encounter more orcish clans on draenor, it'd be like if the orcs lost to stormwind in W1.
>Why are there so many orc clans but only human kingdom?
Because you only got far enough to encounter one.
Anyways the only real human kingdom that could exist on draenor are the remnants of the alliance expedition, which is exactly what we see.

>>96364564
Shadowlands was the moment where Warcraft's storyline made a triple backflip over an entire shark tank, while punching a huge ass rock in an erupting volcano

Racial hybrids are a severely under utilized plot point and I will never understand why blizz stopped at rexxar with it. We should have half orc-half trolls by now

How would you justify draenei futanaris with horsecocks?

>>96370298
I got good news for you

>>96372178
Thats just a forest troll with a new nose unfortunately

>>96370338
The only males draenei had were priests and paladins, so they had to use their super-advanced science to keep up demography.

>>96339004
>-players are on Outland, prior to the events of TBC. Either natives or outsiders, they must now survive on a broken world
Last days of Kirin'Var about how bunch of survivors making their way into Shattrath

Here's a map

>>96375128
Cool, heres another

>>96377291
Oh boy, some details were changed and some amends implemented I guess

>>96377411
Small kalimdor was a thing that stuck around for a surprisingly long time.
The only explanation I can come up with for ulduar on that one is that it's the continent the titans were supposed to come from before they became alien gods.
Heres another map, this one really bothers me that kalimdor on the world map and the minimap are completely different shapes.

bump

>>96365820
I guess you're right
There are already factions that are basically derivative of Alliance ones.
Honor Hold, Kirin'Var etc.

>>96362829
If we assume hypothetically that the Crossing mission is canon, how do you think Garithos assembled all his forces?
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Garithos%27_Elite_Guard

He already has the dwarves, and I'd assume he hired the trolls, goblins and ogres as mercenaries, but after that things get difficult.
He got all sorts of weird monsters from the Dalaran vaults, but how did he get red dragons to fight for him?
And where could he have found the centaurs if they are an entire continent away?
As for the Pandaren brewmaster that one is surprisingly plausible since we know pandaren wandered Azeroth even before the Mists lifted up.
The issue is where exactly would he have found those primal pandaren.

>>96359340
who knows. we are getting a starcraft wargame after all