Thread 96284924

Middlehammer models were the peak of good taste and practicality in wargaming.

Without excessive detail, but enough to be interesting, grim, cool, and brilliant.

In the past, you saw many more painted armies on gaming tables.

Today, with a fanbase made up of colorful-haired consoomers, most armies are unpainted because each model requires an excessive painting level and time to just look good, and it's about PAINTING ARMIES, not individual models.

And the speedpainted models look like shit. Youtube is full of crappy tutorial videos doing a primer + drybdrush + 1 OSL effect for full armies and they look terrible.

The virtue is in the middle. Base coat + shadow + 2-3 highlights. And a good simple base.

I fucking hate CADSLOP bros. Fuck slapchop, fuck NMM and fuck you Squidmar.

>>96284924 (OP)
>I fucking hate CADSLOP
Agreed, handsculpted minis have so much SOVL it's unreal.

>>96284924 (OP)
GW was using CAD during Middlehammer. It’s a lot older than you think.

>>96284924 (OP)
Post your middlehammer models.

We must go back.

>>96289518
>gib basilisk
>take basilisk
>go slaanesh
>take tank away
>quit
very few cases but very well understood

I’m gonna be real, I simply do not care.

I agree that Middlehammer was the best but just so you know CAD started with Middlehammer.

>>96284924 (OP)
Excessive painting should be to /tg/ what "it insists upon itself" is to /v/

>>96285298
Not him, but mine are in a box somewhere because I stopped playing with them when Warhammer turned to shit. Why would I have my middle hammer army readily available for a photoshoot when I have moved on to playing better games ? If middle hammer has a renaissance movement someday I'll pull them back out

>>96290012
6th edition passed a long time ago. 10th edition is here and it’s been better than ever.

>>96290024
You have never played 6th edition.

>>96285047
Some people seem to think that 3d sculpting is just pressing a button and the model comes out already done or that GW never had an array of bits casted a thousand times they used all over their handsculpted models. They weren't making every skull and apace marine shoulder pad from scratch on every model.

>>96290024
>10th edition is here and it’s been better than ever.
10th is possibly the worst edition ever though? It's not even an "old good new bad" 10th is just fucking awful.

>>96290066
It's bait and you fell for it

>>96290066
It’s legitimately a better alternative than whatever has been shat out after 5th edition.

>>96284924 (OP)
Good post.

>most armies are unpainted because each model requires an excessive painting level and time to just look good
It's true. And it's not even an inevitable consequence of CAD either. There are a small number of STL creators out there who prove minis can be modestly-detailed and good to paint in army quantities. So it's just GW wanting to make their individual minis look good in promotional materials and on influencers' instagram pages.

>>96290024
6ed is still played in Europe. There are full local clubs playing it for the past 10 years.

ToW will be dead in 5 years max.

>>96290129
Lmao no. I'd even play 7th over 10th.

>>96290286
>ed is still played in Europe. There are full local clubs playing it for the past 10 years.

Just by saying europe I know you're in one of the 25 shotty useless countries in it.

Also having 20 people (muh 2 full local clubs) doesn't make it popular. No one cares what happen in your shithole country, you stay in 6th because you guys have to choose between gas for the car and food on the table so buying morre model would mean instant financial ruin for your family, not because 6th is better.

>>96290486
>shithole country
Not him, but ironically living in a "useless" European country is way more cozy than living in any of the major globohomo counties like US, CA, France, UK, etc.

>>96290486
NTA but I live in a European country that is one of the richest countries in the world and the 6th ed scene here is alive and well. Literally no one in my gaming group has even played TOW and probably never will. Why is the simple fact of people continuing to enjoy 6th edition making you so mad? Do you feel threatened? Faggot.

>>96290486
Cope, mutt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJNlduO321g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX720JXzXiE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-IHFpdCFZE

>>96290486
>because you guys have to choose between gas for the car and food on the table
Says a guy who needs a AAA loan to visit doctor.

>>96290012
>Not him, but mine are in a box somewhere because I stopped playing with them when Warhammer turned to shit.
You have always been allowed to play whatever edition you want. If you are stuck with pickup games at the store that sells you the churn that's a self inflicted problem.

>>96289518
I know this battle report
vs salamanders, scouring of the shire white dwarf
first wd i owned, peak soul
>>96284924 (OP)
I like the 28mm scale, new minis are way too big, although there was some foul sculpts back then. just look at the old obliterators

>>96285047
Middlehammer ends in 2008 with the launch of 5th edition, so while it's technically true to say they were using CAD by that point in some capacity, the fact is 95% of the model range at that point was still hand-sculpted and even most of the plastic kits were still being sculpted by hand as 3ups and pantographed. Stop trying to retcon reality to excuse nuGW's gratuitous copypaste slop, faggoid.

>>96290486
>full blown meltdown because somebody dares to prefer 6th
clubs are based because they gatekeep freaks like you

>>96291389
Nta, but in 40k middlehammer is all of 3-7th ed. 5th included, yes.

I miss the “Realm of Battle” boards at the GW stores. Random cardboard boards are terrible to look at. The tables at the GW shop now look messy and cluttered.

Simpler times gents

>>96295989
nuKrieg look so shit compared to the resin models, like they intentionally changed details to make them look worse. The Horus Heresy is also suffering from this. WHY THE FUCK DOES IT HAVE TO BE A MONKEYS PAW, WHY CAN'T GW JUST RELEASE GOOD MODELS?

>>96296001
These aren't resin mate, they're just metal Armageddon Steel Legion models with a new paint job.

do prefer the skinner, more realistic Forgeworld resin style DKOK to the bulky new plastics though, if that's what you mean.

>>96291389
Anon they mention CAD back in 4th edition (in WD #334, 2007) for the Baneblade kit. They had an article explaining what CAD was in an earlier WD, but I can't recall it. I also recall it being mentioned somewhere that CAD was used to help sculpt the then-new Carnifex a year or so earlier.

>>96296026
I know those aren't the resin models, I'm just eternally pissed off about nuKrieg.

itt protoboomers ritually venerate nostalgia's reign over cold reality

Pretty much all the models posted so far suck ass. They look like children or mutantly-stunted manlets doing cosplay. I started playing and buying in 2001 btw. I was there for all the bloodless shit you worship as soulful while putting an extra V in the word like you're a Swedish fagpop band.

>>96290012
So you have no models and never played middlehammer, got it.

>>96296214
Nah, this is era universally agreed to have the best balance between hobby focus and quality hand designed models. the White Dwarf issues of this era were full of guides of how to scratch-build and convert everything you could think of, and there was enough fog of war in the canon to make the universe seem imposing and gritty. Everything peaked between Codex Armageddon and Cities of Death. That's before even mentioning the amazing Imperial Armour content for the treadheads that has long since been abandoned

Here's a Chapter Approved from that era literally advertising some dude's Tyranids blog

More like mid-hammer lmao

>>96296424
Enjoy the current stuff then, Anon. You earned it.

>>96296462
What is wrong with it anon? Do you have something you would like to say?

>>96296462
Thanks, I'll enjoy the fucking sick manticore and not the stunted retard models you worship.

>>96296214
Nice bait

>>96296468
It's modern, and current, so you must love it over "mid-hammer", right Anon?

>>96296479
Hey Andrew I see you are still sperg posting.

>>96296479
>slaves to darkness
UH OH GW

>>96296491
Very easy conversion to rotate those hands so he's holding the guns sideways.

>>96296479
Yessssss!!

More Centerpiece Models for Centerpiece Game!!!!!!!!

>>96296368
I remember that white dwarf. Man named his tanks after king Arthur's knights

>>96296512
This is why I dislike knight armies in 40k

Anything after fantasy's 4th edition was a mistake.
If it aint red, it's dead.

>>96284924 (OP)
People are missing the point about "CADslop"
It's not slop because it's CAD, it's slop made in CAD.

But reading is hard for a lot of people, yet posting is easy

>>96296580
the problem with CADslop is that nowadays this domain is dominated by people who are not painting minis
MMF is filled with models made by people who migrated from making stuff for vidya and it really shows: thin parts, details vomited on every surface, realistic proportions on stuff that is meant to be 32mm in height, etc.

>>96296479
Frickin' HECC! Is that STRONGBOSS GIRLWOMAN™?! Well then good sir, you have clearly made your point!

Edit: thanks for the gold, kind stranger(s)!

>>96296580
Anon that would imply anyone who says "CADslop" would even know the difference between hand made and digitally made

>>96295842
*buzzer* Incorrect newfriend, the proper categorisation is:
>Oldhammer - 1st to 3rd WHFB, Rogue Trader
>Middlehammer - 4th to 6th WHFB, 2nd to 4th 40K
>Newhammer - 7th & 8th WHFB, 5th to 7th 40K
>Nuhammer - End Times, AoS, TOW, 8th onwards 40K

Some things like 1st 30K and the later Imperial Armour books are technically Newhammer but spiritually Middlehammer, because the proper categorisation is based on the corporate culture at GW in each period and how that spills out into the product.

>>96296062
You'll have to clarify how that stands in any way opposed to what I stated?

>>96296479
>Thanks, I'll enjoy the monsters sculpted by Bad Dragon-worshipping furfaggots ridden by DEIslop yaas kweens and not minis made by actual human males with their own two hands.

>>96296001
>WHY CAN'T GW JUST RELEASE GOOD MODELS?

Capitalism AKA jews.

>>96299063
Why are you posting two manlets

It’s amazing how no one ever posts their own models from that time in these threads. Or battle reports. Or anything.

>>96296032
>>96296047
>>96296082
>>96296368

SOVL OVERDOSE

>>96296479
Why are you playing with nufantasy MMORPG action figures?

Educated men use miniatures and play wargames.

Don't be gay.

>actually good AOS model gets posted
>Immediate seething to from fakegrogs
kek

>>96299313
Why AOSfags play wargames with action figures and not actual miniatures?

It's embarrassing

>>96297651
>*buzzer* Incorrect newfriend, the proper categorisation is:
You're a smug prick, but oldhammer was far more nebulous and vibes based before it grew big enough that autists could dig their untrimmed claws into it; not helped by the overly polite live-and-let-live attitude of the majority of older gamers leaving you completely unchallenged.
>the proper categorisation is based on the corporate culture at GW in each period and how that spills out into the product.
Except you're hardly looking at the products at all. This chronology is clearly dysfunctionally autistic faggots wanting everything in a neat little box, spergs who are also still malding about the management buyout & public listing decades later. Having chosen your watershed moment, now you have to make the rest of the already commonly agreed upon eras conform to it. It already makes little sense that a community would have sprung out of Rogue Trader and a single usable edition of Warhammer Fantasy. More damning is that middlehammer has clearly been redefined as the obvious era change that happened between 2nd and 3rd ed 40k and 5th and 6th WF is ignored in the new sperg chronology.

>>96299383
You got any painted models to post anon or are you gonna keep posting box covers?

>>96299383
>why do x play with toys and not actual toys?

>>96284924 (OP)
>guardtroon
>posts none of his own minis
DOW secondary detected, false "Middlehammer" enthusiast confirmed, thread discarded.

>>96299420
>Primaris
Anon, I...

>>96299420
Why do you have blue "Blood Ravens"?

>>96296032
Those boyz and nobz are so evergreen (ha) that you forget how old they are

>CADSLOP
I present to you the worst model Games Workshop have ever produced. (please prove me wrong, I'd like to see what people consider worse)
Imagine going from the previous version to this

>>96299436
>posted it again award

>>96304166
Do we know who sculpted it?

>>96300408
I mean considering the Boyz got a new kit which was so poorly fucking received due to insane mental retardation (if you want 10 shooter boys you need to buy 4 boxes) they had to keep the old kit too.
>>96304180
GW doesn't announce who sculpted or designed stuff, although the artists and sculptors can take credit on their socials. No one owned up to that fucking shite funnily enough.

>>96304173
you don't prefer anything you fuckin poser, you just like pretending you do cause you think it gives you grog cred

>>96304173
So no models?

>>96299436
Ball goes back to you faggot, post models.

>>96297651
Shit response, 2nd ed 40k is perfectly fine as oldhammer- design shift happend later. Also it is not right to make "hard" lines in editions just as >>96299388 said.

why do people get so autistically angry when you say you prefer older editions and models

>>96305314
why do people say they prefer models they have never owned and editions they have never played

>>96305433
>How can people prefer art they cant buy from time they werent alive in
Also post models or you opinion doesnt matter bitch

Trying to capture that midhammer White Dwarf style, I didn't quite appreciate what we had when I was younger

>>96305458
>n-no u

>>96299313
God dammit I fucking love Ushoran.

>>96304263
their sculpts are old and rough in the arm connections, but all the clowing on them is 99% the paintjob
#facts #truke #ownd

>>96299063
I WANNA SUCK ON SUGGERS TOES

>>96296082
Hold the fucking phone. Is there a codex where I can take Guard and Sisters together?

>>96305458
you're actually a fucking retard, I was playing warhams at the height of 6th edition and still have army books and models from when I first bought them 20 years ago.
>"p-p-post models!"
here you go faggot, now post your ugly CADslop troonmar shit

>>96305669
>doesn't even know how the game he claims to love works
Supposed midhammerfags, everybody.

>>96305684
I never claimed to be one you halfwit, that's why I'm asking questions.

>>96305679
I meant to quote this retard >>96305433. Either way even if you never played older Warhammer there's nothing stopping you from enjoying it now

>>96305639
If you want to bitch about people not owning models post that you have some faggot. Your opinion will still be wrong but you will at least have the right to have it.

>>96305706
No worries mate.

>>96305669
In 2nd edition as allies, rules on allying are much more relaxed in 2nd. Otherwise there are the inquisition codexes (Deamonhunters and Witchhunters) for 3rd and 4th edition which allow the inquisition to take guard and marine units. Iirc sisters are in witchhunters.

>>96305679
>>96305706
>being so mad you're friendly firing your posts
go sit this thread out m8 you clearly can't handle this

>>96305736
>In 2nd edition as allies, rules on allying are much more relaxed in 2nd. Otherwise there are the inquisition codexes (Deamonhunters and Witchhunters) for 3rd and 4th edition which allow the inquisition to take guard and marine units. Iirc sisters are in witchhunters.
Fucking sick. I'll have to look into this old hammer nonsense.

>>96305822
Welcome hah. You can either hop over to /grog/ or ask me here for the book you need. We probably have them scanned. Probably as in there are some PDFs that lack pages

>>96305898
If you can hook me up with what I need, I would appreciate that anon

>>96305737
That wasn't my post which I misclicked. Still not posting your AoSlop huh. "opinion" dismissed

>>96305916
https://meganzfolderi6B3DCAZ#sxRZTIyneA1acePMAmeoIw
This should have you set

>>96305955
You're a star.

>>96290286
It's been a while since I attended, but back in the day a few years after GW killed WHFB Giant Fanatic in Copenhagen had a 100 players in a WHFB tourney.

I still have 200ish goblins and just short of 100 orcs.

>>96305662
dont we all?

>>96306139
I also like her strange teeth

>>96290012
Be the change you want to be in the world. I'm working to bring back better Warhammer locally. Already have people signed up.

>>96304173
That image is so true. It’s like there is a whole gw defense force of bots on this site saying the same shit again and again.
It keeps repeating too.
Like tenth is so bad even hardcore consumers are looking at older editions and collecting PDFs of them now.

>>96295867
>I miss the “Realm of Battle” boards at the GW stores.
Only because you weren't around for when damn near every GW had their own set of completely custom-made boards. The realm of battle boards were incredibly bland compared to what they replaced and once they showed up stores weren't allowed to use anything else. There were some amazing boards at my local GW that sat out the back slowly decaying for years and years.

>>96284924 (OP)
>I fucking hate CADSLOP bros
you people have no idea how miniatures are actually made

>>96305433
>if you dare like something besides whatever GW are doing currently you're nogames and nomodels!
Do you soi faggots ever get tired of this shtick?

>>96308374
So, models? Gonna post em?

>>96308374
>>96306256
To me it just reeks of insecurity. These little faggots who come rushing to the defence of the latest rendition of whatever Warhammer game, desperate to attack anyone who dare say they like older versions, are either
>jealous because they weren't around back then and missed out on the actual golden age of Warhammer
>have gone all in on nu-40k, TOW, AoS, etc and want to feel vindicated in their choice(s), therefore anyone erring away from muh latest edition rather than mindlessly consooming feels like an attack on their system
Or both. /wfg/ is a shit general because anyone who wants to talk about 6th/bring up issues they have with TOW immediately gets dogpiled by TWW zoomies and called "perrynigger" by some schizo. Not to mention all the AoSissies who habitually lurk their and screech when you tell them to post their roundoid shit elsewhere

>>96305657
Not 99%. The sculpts are legitimately bad by todays standards. The arms are just way to big and most poses are wonky, and its not because of their multi-part-nature. Reptilian Overlords Space Nam shit on them hard, and even the best paintjob cant truely salvage them.

>>96308545
Even if I got brain damage that made me want to kowtow to a soitist that's demanding I inconvenience myself as punishment for wrongthink without posting your own shit, I'm about 350 nautical miles from home

>>96308782
It's just autism
they can be lazy, socially retarded, stink of stale piss and sweat and still get a game at a store, and they worship GW as a result, and autists are very protective about the shit they like

you'll notice that the troons who sperg out at others for preferring older versions and demand they post models still haven't posted their own models

In me mid-20s. Here's me 6th edition(?) Dwarf Miners. Hate the 7th edition plastic ones but the metal ones hold up really well.

>>96309018
Rangers. Was also the first time I made my own Banner from plasticard

>>96309047
Old Slayer models have a lot of charm. They better fit the idea that they're dwarfs that no longer have a place in rigid dwarf society.

>>96307881
I literally make and print my own miniatures. Now what?

>>96295867
I miss the fully custom scratch built boards made by the store staff

When I was a kid I wanted true scale models but not only didn't we get true scale models but GW just made everything far more soulless
I don't think digital sculpts has anything to do with it, I think digital sculpts are vastly superior in every single way

>>96309105
People were obsessed with making marines true scale back then, but this essentially ended with Primaris and HH Marines.
As a (Traitor) Guard player, i am very pleased with how normal human scale evolved from the chubby cadians to what we have these days for humans.
If i were a marine player, i would have switched to HH tho.

>I think digital sculpts are vastly superior in every single way

I think such a statement is not really that easy to make. There are a lot of things that can (and do) go wrong with digital sculpts. "Soulfulness" is probably the least easy one to grasp, but clutter of details, or posing is a lot easier to compare.

>>96309105
>not only didn't we get true scale models
To be fair infantry models at least are broadly in scale with each other now, certainly much more than they used to be.

I sholud probably finish the models from Dark Vengence.

>>96309018
Miners and longbeards were the best.

>>96309160
>>96309105
Use tortuga for your firstborn. It's very simple

>>96305657
no lol
Plastic Catachan were garbage then and now, the metal sculpts always looked better.

>>96309073
My city's stores still have them. Obviously the only one that dosen't is the official GW one, which is probably the worst, most soulless mini store in the city, even of the ones that only sell GW models.

>>96284924 (OP)
I like the old Termagants <3
They were my first minis :-)

>>96284924 (OP)
Also, I like these orcs. I'm glad that GW sells them through TOW, 'cause I only got my hands on around 20 before they got discontinued.

>>96311005
These. Forgot the image.

>>96309189
Except for some unbelievably stupid decision, they made regular humans get bigger as the space marines got bigger, defeating the whole point of splitting your fanbase on primaris

>>96311126
Humans are fine the way they are now.

Isn’t there a dedicated grog thread? Did this get made because that general djed?

>>96305314
sunk cost fallacy.
His main argument is that people are just farming credibility, which is a very creative hypothesis considering it's an anonymous website...

>>96306298
My store had three city type boards they made for cityfight with toxic sludge canals, think venice, but it's a chemical plant. During Medusa V they put them together for an insane Apocalypse battle where the two neighbouring cities' GW stores got to send artillery strikes over to our store. Good times.

>>96309105
>I don't think digital sculpts has anything to do with it, I think digital sculpts are vastly superior in every single way
The issue is that physical sculpting prevented retarded designers from doing retarded shit in ways that digital doesn't.
Having a physical model in hand forces you to think about perspective. Having to actually model detailing means you're discouraged from putting bling everywhere. Having to work with actual material discourages extremely thin appendages.

A good designer using digital is absolute peak - but some shitty slopmonger isn't constrained by the medium and it shows. Sadly, GW nowadays is not willing to actually get competent sculptors because those demand actual wages, hence the deluge of garbage since 5th edition.

>>96305314
Because no one’s only just saying that.

>>96311258
>hence the deluge of garbage since 5th edition.

To be fair, for every garbage model they release (think of this diaper wearing inquisitor), they release a great one too. They always have released weak or outright horrible minis, even back in the "good old days". We just remember mostly the great ones.

>>96311282
Yeah. I really preferred the 4th edition sanguine guard over the garbage that was the 5th. Then you have the entirety of space wolves…

>>96311282
>To be fair, for every garbage model they release (think of this diaper wearing inquisitor), they release a great one too
Wrong.
It's like 25 shitty ones to 1 good one nowadays.
In 3rd and 4th, the ratio was 1:2

Also, objectively correct quality chart.

>>96311308
I think your charts all fucked up and that Line is going down to molest your taint.

>>96311282
Post one or two of these great ones you speak of. I genuinely can't think of any, besides the new zombie dragon, and even the vampire rider on that is WoW-tier slop

>>96311145
Kasrkin are the only modern outliers now, but given that the original metals were also big guys compared to the other Guardsmen models I can only assume that it's intentional and Cadia's finest only recruit the biggest and strongest men around.

>this thread
>even when people are talking about the things they liked, they cant help but drag down "thing that came out later"

>>96311382
If you don't like people being rightfully critical, try reddit, I heard they enforce positivity! :^)

>>96311344
Literally every Eldar release, genuinely. Jes Goodwin's finest are still fighting the good fight.

>>96311317
If you have an argument to make, make it.

>>96311344
Everything is subject to personal taste, and if you wanted, you could call anything i post now cheap cad slop, but lets see.

>>96311308
We can argue about the ratio, but its still just wrong that everything after 5th is just utter shit.

Some examples that i personally like:
Pic related Magus in particular is great, but pretty much all GSC models are quite good in my opinion.

Kill Team Typhon brought the Raveners, which are just very good.

Kill Team Blood and Zeal had the Preachers, which include some very good "zealous monks with flamer"-types

And lastly, because how could such a list be complete without including Space Marines, i believe the new Logan Grimnar is vastly superior to the old one, and even without that disgusting sledge model before, would be a great looking miniature. In general, the recent Space Wolves rework brought quite good models. The Terminators are also very good.

>>96311404
>"critical"
this thread is no different than those reddit circle jerks.

>>96311436
Another pic related, whats not to like?

>>96299388
lol, lmao
>>96304797
2nd 40K joints 4th WHFB in being explicitly - Word of Priestly - the beginning of GW's "Corpo But Still Goodguy" era. It was intended to tie together disparate RT sources *and* refine the rougher elements to make a more coherent *product* to sell. It was the beginning of the Edition Box starters, and a firmer reign was taken over the artwork to encourage visual consistency(obviously not to the extent seen later, and now taken to an extreme with the "House Style", but there was more oversight and more stuff done in-house). Oldhammer's defining quality is its quirky "we don't really know what we're doing yet"/"we say we're a company but we're actually five lads in a bedsit" vibe which is entirely absent from 2nd. The distinction between 2nd and 3rd in terms of the actual IP is also ludicrously overblown by fans of 2nd who *need* there to be some massive difference to justify their gigantic self-satisfation and sense of superiority - every single person peddling the line that 3rd was some massive departure from 2nd for the IP tonally and thematically is either simply lying, or they're a tertiary poofter who never explored the setting beyond pawing at the shiny pictures in WD, and I proved it by experiment when I presented the local example of that particular breed of faggot with a few little short stories and he identified all of them as being "3rdie grimderp trash" when all but one were from 2nd era.

2nd shares with 3rd & 4th the period of GW where they were more "professional" in their output but still actively encouraged hobbying - even to the point of kitbashing with non-GW products - and Your Dudes, White Dwarf was still a proper magazine - albeit now exclusively focused on GW - rather than the mere catalogue it later became etc. 3rd was an *evolution* of the strategy used for 2nd not a completely new approach.
1/2...

>>96311470
2/2
Crucially, it's also a period where the people who *created* these IPs were still actively involved in their development and management.

The reason the *actual* shift comes with 5th edition is that's the result of the point where the corporate culture shifts. With most of the Old Guard now either moved on or promoted into management positions where they have less day-to-day interaction with product development, Kirby and the board taking a stronger hand in pushing design towards maximising growth, and the first dramatic widening of the fanbase thanks to videogames like Dawn of War and Space Marine, the GW of 5th edition onwards is not the same GW as previous and it shows in the product. Special Characters are more heavily integrated and pushed, you start to see pricing shenanigans with the pricepoint & number of minis in a box reworked to provide less value, WD becomes more and more a mere new releases catalogue with every issue, it's the beginning of the focus on pushing GW product *exclusively* even with terrain.

>>96311436
If getting a piece of that xenussy means I'll get turbo-eaten alive by a swarm of Rippers I'd be glad glad to pay the price

>>96308782
Pretty sure only perrynigger gets called perrynigger, because only perrynigger is an insufferable twat who keeps posting his /awg/ Perry historicals armies on fucking round bases that he plays exclusively alone or with his wife because he's such a sadsack nobody IRL will play him, while relentlessly shilling Perry models as proxies. Not historicals or third party minis generally mind you, only Perry.

So either you're him, or you were acting like him, either way it's not /wfg/ that's the problem.

>>96311412
>Every miniature that is praised sticks as autistically as possible to some old model and does nothing except slightly fix the scaling
>Every even slightly original miniature inescapably looks like complete ass

>>96311436
The chart is about rules quality, sorry if that got lost in translation. Model quality held up longer and was distributed differently, but still absolutely tanked with the hyper-detailed and mosproportioned trash that came from 5th onward.

The Magus is good, agreed.
Raveners are an overdesigned, inferior remake of older models.
Preachers are on par with a simple kitbash you could do 20 years ago. And they're a niche, monopose release. Every older metal character from the middlehammer era blows them out of the water.
New space wolves are better than 5th-7th space wolves because the latter were by and large utter garbage. 3rd Ed Logan is genuinely better than the hunchbacked retard that is 10th ed Logan.

>>96311461
Too bland. GW is afraid of making caricatures, and those were the most soulful miniatures they made.

Squigs <3

>>96311513
>3rd Ed Logan is genuinely better

Its not about being better, its about the new model being good on its own.

>>96311529
How is that fat preacher with triple chins not a caricature?

>>96311500
I'm not him and I've been called perrynigger multiple times, and it's not once ever been because I posted historical models. I sometimes bring up grievances I have with TOW and I'm immediately met with "fuck off perrynigger". I'm guessing you're the faggot schizo that's obsessed with him. Find a new hobby.

>>96311436
>you could call anything i post now cheap cad slop, but lets see
I'm approaching this in good faith. I class GSC as the last "good" warhammer range, because the scale is good, the level of detail is modest, and almost the whole range is the classic legs/torso/arms/head modularity. I own about 1500 points of them. However, the vast majority of that range is now 9 years old, which means it was designed over a decade ago. Your pic is 6 years old, which means it'll have been designed about 8 years ago, before the rapid-onset enshittification set in. I wouldn't class that as releasing 1 good model for every shit modern one, because the magus is no longer modern.

>>96311461
These look decent but I can't find them on the webstore, what are they?

>>96311412
Actually yes, decent sculpts and proportions and good level of detail. Having looked at the sprues for the fire dragons as an example though, it's a shame that they still come in so many parts but each part only fits 1 build, like left leg 32 has to be glued into body C in a specific pose but only after you've created body C by gluing torso bit 51 to torso bit 52, and then you can glue right shin 81 onto right thigh which was already attached to torso bit 51. Needlessly anti-hobbyist. The sculpts are faithful upgrades but the kit is a big downgrade from the ethos of middlehammer's fully modular plastic kits. hence why I printed 1250 points of fully modular eldar a couple months back, for 3rd and 4th edition games. I want to make mydudes with unique poses and kitbashes, I'm not wasting my time finishing building James' kits for him after he cut them into 8 random pieces

>>96311704
>can't find them
They are in the KT section
https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/kill-team-sanctifiers-2025

>because the magus is no longer modern.
While true, i posted it from out of my head, and did not check the release dates. But while they aren't the newest shit any longer, they are clearly not "old" either.
How about the Reductus Saboteur, that mini came pretty late i believe, and is also quite good. Or what >>96311412 said, the new Eldar (not my personal favourites, so i simply forgot about them in the post above) are all quite good.

>>96311704
I think there are two ways to approach what is considered a good mini:
>The assembled end-product_
Be it mono-pose or not. We had awesome single piece metal models back in the day too after all, so modularity alone cant define a great model.
>the sprue/kit itself, and its modularity within the own set, and within the wider range.

Both can work, and with many plastic kits GW is awkwardly stuck in the middle it seems. They want to do "cool posed characters" but at the same time, they want to give options. But it rarely works out.

>>96310912
Yeah. They are not as bad as they seem with the official painting but they were always pretty bad.

>>96299063
Do they have an onlyfans?

>>96311744
A model designed a decade ago is old dude. Doesn't feel it to me either, having been in the hobby since 1997, but it objectively is. Especially in the context of suggesting that GW release one good sculpt for each bad sculpt they've been putting out recently.

Saboteur is pretty decent (apart from being yet another check in the box for GW's "muh female representation" obsession of late, but that's another thread), however I'd argue she simply continues the design philosophy of her faction which was set out 10+ years ago, and is a situational character for one of the least popular factions so is still the niche of the niche in a sea of sculpts like sang guard, primaris go karts, zombies with roots growing out of them at weird angles, the same set of 5 possessed you've seen in the last 3 chaos marines armies you played against and so on.

>>96311788
That's my point although you articulated it better. If they want to give me monopose minis, sell me a single piece mini. If they want to give me multi-part kits, make them multi-pose too. Multi-part monopose is a big fat no from me.

>>96311479
You got a personality-worship problem.

Rick Priestley is not a good writer. Collaborative fictional universes are never written by one person. You've fallen into the trap of watching his self-valorizing interviews from 30+ years after the fact with uncritical eyes. Some of the people who were hired to prune and grow his "creation" had better ideas than he did.

>>96309002
I don't play Warhammer so I have no thread relevant models to post. But it's a fact that anyone on /tg/ posting about old warhammer editions and retvrning to tradition is a total nomodels nogames faggot.

>>96312086
You are wrong because i have old and new models, and i enjoy discussing about old and new models. Pic related is the one guy from the pic above, now primed, next to his older self.
I could have built the new one with a similar bare and screaming head, but i liked the idea of him being blindly swinging around his chainblade because his hood is too far down.

But obviously, it would help threads like this one a lot if people would actually post the minis they are talking about.

Not a single person posting in this thread has a fully painted middlehammer army, it's all fakegrogs and larpers

>>96312086
>I don't play Warhammer
sure thing m8

I like the less squished scale of modern models.

Not sure why people dislike them so much.

>>96312086
>he says, as multiple older version enjoyers have literally posted their models itt
>>96312162
so the goalposts have shifted from "nomodels" to "no army" kek, you sad faggots will do anything to help you cope with the fact that people enjoy old warhammer

>>96312299
this is my first post in this thread and I'm not asking for anything because I know for a fact none of you larpers actually own one lmao

>>96312162
You keep saying we dont have a fully painted army yet you have not posted even a single assembled model, that is besides the moving goalpost ofc. I'd say something nasty about you but that would be performative, hope you are happy with how we bite your bait. After all man has to have some hobbies in life.

>>96312299
Its not even, no army- its no fully painted army. i could go get my DA with a metal dread but then it would shift to "no army painted well" so i wont even bother.

People keep saying that metals are good because you can repaint them more easily in case you fuck up, but good lord it seems none of you actually put that into practice.

>>96312317
Here you go retard. In the Oathmark box are 30 unassembled skeletons, not shown are 6 Dire Wolves and 10 Grave Guard stuffed away in another box that I couldn't be fucked fetching for your convenience. In total nearly 150-200 miniatures, most of which are either Middlehammer era minis (5th-7th ed WHF) or 3rd party, only 2 units are new school (the Spirit Host I plan on replacing with the old ones anyways). Let me preemptively type up your cope so you don't have to
>you can't paint!
>you have unfinished models!
>not every single mini in your army is midhammer!
>Im a coping retard who is seething with impotent rage that some people dare to prefer older miniatures!
>>96312589
I don't know why I bothered to be honest.

Guys, can we just ignore the >nogames
Crowd? Here's some sovl.

>>96313145
>Guys, can we just ignore the >nogames
You’re hitting “friendly” territory there.

>>96299383
>play wargames with action figures
rip gone too soon

Why do people get so viscerally asshurt when anyone talks about Old Warhammer on this board?
It's just like discussing Smash Bros on /v/ where any attempt at talking about Melee or Brawl gets drowned out my shrieking Ultimate fanboys

>>96313623
*by

>>96313623
A lot of people who talk about older editions tend to be fake grogs or hipsters but tenth edition has been so bad that people are curious about the older editions now which is a bad sign.

But there is no denying that there are rampant fanboys that rush to nugw’s defense when alternatives are even hinted at.

>>96284924 (OP)
>>96296026
>Nulore goes back to Armageddon
>Not a single refreshed Legionnaire in sight

>>96313664
NTA, but I'm neither a fake grog or a hipster, just a legit zoomer that honestly prefers older editions, and I'm not alone in my friend group.

>>96313703
>just a legit zoomer that honestly prefers older editions
I haven’t read any oldhammer or middle hammer books but I feel a tug to do so give that tenth just hasn’t been that appealing to me. But I am a zoomzoom and I also feel that maybe I am growing out of wargaming but I won’t sell my models.

>>96313623
because usually they dunk on post midhammer whenever they talk about it. Never, ever can one speak about oldhammers merits without hating current thing.

>>96313939
Maybe if current thing wasnt so gay and shit people wouldn't feel the need to dunk on it and play older editions.

>>96313959
Thats why people are playing older editions in droves right? anyways thanks for proving my point.

>>96313939
I get that being exposed any criticism of current GW is deeply traumatising for you all, but consider that for 40k players to give up the convenience of playing current 40k it has to be worth it, and that often means a serious dissatisfaction with the state of the modern game.

I think the lethality of 10th combined with ultra mobility and larger models +shrinking board size makes for bland games. You don’t really have to worry about positioning beyond screening for deep strike, as everyone can get everywhere.


Realistically in my group there is myself and one other who will play 4th with 3rd/4th codexez. And one other who’s always eager to try.

There’s like 10 40k players locally who I’d ask for games at my place, 7 of which only will play the latest sloppa.

Why don’t we? Doing a last hurrah of 10th using the crusade rules for Armageddon. Here’s a battlefleet game played last Friday which ties into that. Or rather the low orbit map beside the table for the planetary assault.

>>96314411
My crusade map I edited up(shamelessly grafted) for the boys
It’s pretty telling that the only people who care for a map to go along with the narrative at all are those 2 other players who I play other things than 10th Ed with.and myself of course- since doing it makes me happy and reminds me of old white dwarves.

Say what you want but the BfSP will always be my favourite plastic dwarfs GW made.
But that's little consolation when realizing that every single metal dwarf sits well above any plastic sculpt and that we'll never recapture the level of soul we had before 6th ed.

>>96313984
your point is "why can't people just shut up and consoom why are people criticizing daddy GW wahhh"

>>96316204
There it is.

>>96312162
>>96316220
you've been proven wrong and exposed as a retard multiple times already, just take the L and fuck off pal

I like my 40k models to be extremely busy and overdesigned because that's what I enjoy so much about the setting, the overwrought gothicness of it all.
What I don't like it when sculptors have no clear sense of balance and proportion though
Like these guys are just a massive disappointment compared to what we see on the artwork

>>96299063
I've met her, she's tiny, that dude must the size Warrick Davis... and he's wearing lifts!

>>96284924 (OP)
OSL always looks shit unless viewed from the right angle. Just paint and shade.

>>96313145
Careful anon that was painted by a woman. Its too woke for soulful gamers

>>96316287
>take the L
Further proof that midhammerfags are just screeching zoomzooms who have never played the games and don't own a single model.

>>96317936
I literally posted my army in this thread, retard

>>96284924 (OP)
>Middlehammer
Bought this last night. Can't wyhky4ait.

>>96290129
10e rules are so bad you can’t even do narratives or homebrew with them without it ending up clunky and you have to maneuver around the stupid realtime rules that change every 10 business days. It utterly fails as a tabletop.

>>96313984
current editions of any game are lodestars for the community to gather around. current editions being shit is a massive problem for a game’s health. And everyone I know moved away from 10e to play killteam, necromunda, 30k, or just away from GW entirely to play other wargames.

>>96299313
Flesh Eaters keep winning, it is not fair bros

>>96299313
pretty much all FEC models are good, especially compared with the other undead ranges.

>>96314411
>>96314425
I love crusade rules and narrative games in warhammer. I had a great GM who hosted one for 10th and in spite of 10sloppa rules managed to make a super fun and engaging story and atmosphere. Thanks for bringing this game to life. GMs in warhammer are underappreciated.

>go to /grog/
>painted armies and battle report posts

>go to a midhammer specific thread
>nogames going VGH........ SOOOOOOVL over 20+ year old white dwarf advertisement pictures
REALLY makes me think.

>>96296001

It seems pretty obvious they made them 80% WWI French(the coat's design, puttees, and the crest on the helmet) to try to make up for the German name and the vaguely stahlhelm looking helmet. And now they look lame and still scan as Nazis to the retarded normies GW was trying to appease.

>>96299313

I like that model. He looks like something out a Souls game. If even 3 people I liked played AOS here I'd do a ghoul project.

>>96313145

I miss this era of painting. I don't like airbrushed shit or non-metallic metal one bit.

Midhammer is my comfy nostalgia blanket since I didn't even know 40k existed until halfway through 3rd edition. For several months I've been feeling the pull to make a 3rd/4th edition era army since I liquidated all my stuff 15 years ago and only got back into the hobby recently. I found a good 'ole Tactical Squad at a thrift store last weekend for $15, and I just picked up one of these for $25 on FBM, so I am fully on board with it now.

>>96318701
brother, suggest to purge inflow buffers; immediate. scrapcode appears to be intruding on your text outflow.

>>96320651
>picked up one of these for $25 on FBM
>pic rel
LUCKY BASTARD

>>96320487
nmm was the original way of painting metal

>>96320651
>scrapcode appears to be intruding on your text outflow.
Totally don't know how that snuck in there..

>>96320360
I guess wisdom really comes with age. And the actual grogs of /grog/ are wizened and thus more mature than us.

>>96311704
Are those the GW kit or some third party thing?

>>96318701
Holy my youth