What killed /tg/ and how would you fix it?

>>96285963 (OP)
Mods allowed all kinds of low effort spam and shitposting for years and years. There's no fixing it now, the board's been ruined since 2020

>>96285963 (OP)
Qst

More worldbuilding threads, less generals.

the entire website has been going downhill due to a combo of mods refusing to do anything beyond the bare minimum to keep revenue flowing and the website becoming infested with retards/schizos/trolls/glowies that ruined multiple discussions, its no wonder any worthwhile posters are just saying screw it and leaving for other places

silly anon, you know you're not allowed to make threads like this. The mods don't like it very much, you see.

>>96286012
Consolidate everything warhanmer into one warhammer general to free up space and hopefully jannies are smart enough to nuke pointless warhammer bait/slide threads.

Jannies nuking bait threads no matter how many idiots have bitten it when they spot it.

>>96285963 (OP)
What happened in 2021? Everyone went to prison for participating in Jan 6?

>>96286012
>>96286026
You anti-general fags realize that doesn't stop generals from forming, right?

>>96285963 (OP)
This is by design. Moderation team's main task is shitting up the board ot make people abandon it.
So y jak Party leaks few motnhs ago confiremd this

>>96286076
No idea, it's like after the covid lockdowns ended a bunch of anons left and never came back

>>96286080
>anti-general fags
Pretty sure its just bumpfag trying to kill any space he cant pollute with inane "what magic system" questions. Its just astroturfing, not a genuine sentiment

>>96286076
All I know is Ribbon posts started getting deleted then.
It's almost like Ribbon is intriniscally tied with the health of this board. The more Ribbon posts, the better and healthier the board will be.

>>96286087
What would be the point of this?

>>96286093
>Its just astroturfing, not a genuine sentiment
No, it's a legitimate sentiment, the problem is their possible /b/ tards thinking that speeding up the board would somehow be "better".

>>96286087
Why though?

>>96285963 (OP)
Quest threads got their own board.
Off topic bullshit like if fucking werewolves would cause you to contract lycanthropy got axed.
The mods should autoban any cocksucker that just posts replies like "What game?", "name 5", or "traditional games?" But let those fuck nuggets keep going.
But it's mainly because /tg/ stopped getting shit done and dried up.

>>96285963 (OP)
it doesn't need fixing.
/tg/ should have a creator account on kickstarter
/tg/ should just become a game design company, or a hobbiest publication.

the trends seem to mimick when magic and warhammer went to shit.
normies don't care about discussing /tg/ on the level /tg/ deserves.
but games companies tailor their buisness plan to getting normies.

>>96286114
I mean I prefer web forums, but that comes with all the baggage of an established forum.

>>96285963 (OP)
all this says is that people lurk more in /tg/ and wait for the next red shirt to post in a 40k general.

Heavy-handed moderation killed board culture.

>>96285963 (OP)
It really goes back to the second reign of Nazimod after the 4chandotjs debacle. He pushed away the oldguard of highly talented drawfags. Though that could be seen more as the snowball that lead to the avalanche.
Losing quests was another problem, instead of limiting to just two or three active quests at a time like they do with coyas, they split the userbase. People who'd be active threads about both stratified to their separate boards. Most of 4chan's userbase has a home board and only ever poke into others once in a while.
Then political tourism kicked up about a decade ago, and the userbase has a whole started to decline. A couple years ago we hit the death spiral stage, and staff had to take steps to hide it from the advertisers.
>Proposed Fixes
Bring back the IP counter
Institute Forced Anonymous with thread IDs.
Fire all jannies who have home threads. You should care about the board, not have a dog in the fight of a specific topics.

>>96285963 (OP)
The 5e Tourists, at large, have left. 5e going mainstream was detrimental to the hobby, and largely ruined a lot of adjacent systems by virtue of wanting a piece of the trend-pie.
A lot of people have quit MTG because it turned into Fortnite slop.
40k on a big downtrend with the infiltration of twitter trannies, ugly models, and lore enshitification. Not to mention a percentage of the playerbase has started 3D printing models with an older aesthetic, playing previous editions. Also, 4chan didn't totally recover after the hack. Call it what you want, but there's a plethora of reasons and it's not just /tg/. It's a lot of these hobby related boards that are churning out more bad entertainment than good.

>>96286105
You're a colossal retard who doesn't want to look at facts. I'll explain why in a second.

>>96286112
You need to shut the fuck about Quests already. /qst/ was made in 2016, and though the board saw a dip in population, that was primarily because that was the election year when /pol/ more than tripled in size and began raiding all the other boards. After the election, /tg/ largely recovered, as the graph shows.

>>96286105
Back to you. Ordinary generals are not a problem; But Zombie generals are. Zombie generals are generals that are made for topics not popular enough to warrant their existence and end up just being a private chatroom on this board for a handful of people, who bump them to the detriment of this board.

Looking at the past, generals primarily existed as a way to consolidate what would otherwise be several threads about a popular topic. But, a culture shift occurred where people decided they wanted to "fake it until they make it", ie. make a general and keep it bumped under the idea that it would eventually become popular enough to warrant it's existence.

In the past, these fake generals would not last long, because the board was faster, thanks to people being more free and happy to make quick, loose, and light-hearted threads. Now, we instead have a flood of generals, with the majority of them simply having copy-pasted OPs and existing in various states of zombification, and only a smattering of largely troll threads in between, and all because it takes now over a day for an unbumped thread to die, rather than a few hours. The board is slow, and as it gets slower, it gets further clogged up, leading to more people leaving and the board slowing down even further. We are in a death spiral.

How do we fix this? Dramatic culture overhaul, starting with less tolerance for Zombie generals and other pet threads, and a greater emphasis on more casual, conversational threads that actually fit the 4chan format.

We genuinely need ids. It should be mandatory for the slower boards.

>>96286101
>>96286107
ntayrt
>innovative tactics are warranted
dumbing down, spamming and otherwise making 4chan (and the internet in general) as removing sites of radicalization and risk mitigation has been a thing various agencies and governments have been up to for years.
This combines with increasingly effective bots and automated posting.
The really interesting drop is the post 2024 november american election, someone's funding got put on hold.
The CREST research group published their suggested courses of action to deradicalize 4chan. This isn't because /tg/ is any real threat or whatever, its just knockover from /pol/ being scary and control freak nanny state stuff only expanding over time.

/gurpsgen/ and /mtg/ are the only reason I still come here, couldn't care less about faggy 40k memes and muh setting threads.

>>96285963 (OP)
/tg/ has an absurd amount of jannies and each have their own threads they care about, just look at the /todd/ threads in the archives, they easily have half their posts deleted because some janny was butthurt about the osrfags

>>96285963 (OP)
I was about to type exactly why this place is dead and then thought
>I better not that will get me banned again
I think that says it all

>>96286101
Spite. Jannies are social outcasts, so they ruin the fun for others

>>96285963 (OP)
I'd disappear smartphones and social media.
>but it'd also delete 4chan
Eh, a necessary sacrifice.

>>96286173
>You're a colossal retard who doesn't want to look at facts.
Yeah no, that's you:

>IT"DZ DA ZOMBIE GENERALS!!!
Dumbass, what separates a "Zombie General" from your "light, casual conversational thread"?
Semantically, jack fucking shit.
Other Anons and I have tried to tell you that "Generals" end up happening regardless, and your definition of a "Zombie General" is one that doesn't keep to an arbitrary pace.

Fuck man, I was here for the formation of the Weekend Smut Threads!
While heavy handed moderation tried to shove us out of Eyesight, we've still got a Lewd Games general on the board, one of those very Generals You've labeled as a "Zombie".

If there is no substance whatsoever, there isn't any point posting here!

>>96286234
You have to let it go Gollum. It’s been a long time.

>>96286167
>40k on a big downtrend
Do you niggers ever look at financial reports or even general information about how well/poorly a company is doing before commenting shit like this.

>What killed /tg/
Puckee, Bumpfag/literary lord and various shills (mork borg, GW, trench crusade), all of whose threads suspiciously never get removed....

>>96285963 (OP)
Sadly we need IDs due to bad actors actively shitting up the board

>>96286288
It might be doing well financially but their lore has gone to shit. The rules are shit. The models have been scale creeped to absurdity. I loved 40k but nu 40k is not what it once was. And don’t get me started on the woke shit.

>>96286262
he did god's work

>>96286259
>Dumbass, what separates a "Zombie General" from your "light, casual conversational thread"?
>Semantically, jack fucking shit.
Wrong. Also, shut the fuck up. Here, let me help you, by shutting you the fuck up.

The differences are major. A zombie general is essentially a walled off micro-board for a tiny clique, which persists even when there's no active discussion, now sometimes even for weeks.


On the other hand, light, casual thread like the ones that made up the majority of the board in the past were expected to die within a day at most, which makes sense for 4chan. These were threads that actually created a culture for /tg/, allowed people to discover things about games they might not even play which would then lead them to take an interest in them, and otherwise helped create inter-thread discussions, all while keeping the cliques dispersed.

>Fuck man, I was here for the formation of the Weekend Smut Threads!
Completely unsurprising that you're one of the worst cancers on this board.
>we've still got a Lewd Games general on the board, one of those very Generals You've labeled as a "Zombie".
The lewd general is one of the worst Zombie generals, and genuinely contributing to this board's death. It takes weeks for it to die, and all because you keep it bumped with inane posts every time it's in danger of dying, and all because you have a personal stake in it.

When you have dozens of zombie threads like these, that pushes other threads down, and make it so that the only threads that can survive in this environment are True Generals, Zombie Generals/Pseudo-Generals, and Troll threads.

>>96286373
Also most of these Zombie generals didn't contain the mentally ill coomers from shitting up the rest of the board.

>>96286151
>Institute Forced Anonymous with thread IDs.
Have to disagree with the forced anonymous part but it would be fucking hysterical if it was suddenly turned on retroactively for all posts on 4chan.

>>96286389
if they're not going to fold Quest back into us, there's no reason to tolerate namefags.

>>96286310
The calls have been coming from inside the house for a while.

>>96286310
>GW
We were created as a warhammer containment board. GW threads aren't a bug, they're the main feature.

>>96286444
>We were created as a warhammer containment board.

>this old lie
Anon, please don't tell me you are actually stupid enough to believe the lies of the 40kfags who have been pushing that bullshit just to make themselves feel special?

/tg/ was made by moot, and not for 40k fags, hence why it's not called /40k/. Hell, Warhammer Wednesdays were nothing compared to the daily /v/ and /co/ D&D threads, but the reason the D&D crowd doesn't bother spreading a lie about how /tg/ was made just for them is the simple fact that /tg/ was made for-
>Board games, paper games, war games, card games, etc.

If you want to argue that moot made /tg/ because of the 40kfags, please, offer something that actually resembles proof, like a statement made by moot. You've made your claim-
>/tg/ was made as a containment board for Warhammer,

Now support it with evidence, or you'll just be exposed as one of the 40kfags trying to push his lie just to try and get people to believe that 40k is special for some reason.

>>96286490
I believed the Warhammer Wedensdays raids I lived through, kid.

>>96286490
>>96286497
We're named /tg/ as a punishment for how much of an annoying cunts the future 40kids were being all over the board. The other chans had /tg/ as their transgender boards.

>>96286373
>now sometimes even for weeks
Yeah, that happens with threads like /stg/, because any discussion worthy Star Trek news can be weeks if not months apart!

>tiny clique
Also you keep raging against these "tiny cliques" which by your own admission apparently interact with the board more than most trash threads when they could have easily fucked off and formed a Discord.
It sounds more like you are just angry you aren't a part of that particular in-group, because again, they are interacting more with the board than your ass is!

>you're one of the worst cancers on this board
Yeah, you are fucking tourist...

>all because you keep it bumped with inane posts
Surprise dumbass, I've barely posted there!
Same for the "Dragons, Dragons, and More Dragons" thread.
And god forbid we have a "Pseudo-General" about Dragons on the board dedicated to DUNGEONS AND FUCKING DRAGONS!

>>96286093
Bumpfag loves generals though. He's the only person posting in Horror Settings General, Worldbuilding General and Worldbuilding Resources.

>>96286518
Yeah, that's how I know it's a genuine sentiment, even if it's a dumbass one from a /b/ or /pol/ tard transplant.

>>96286497
>warhammer wednesday raids

You mean when the WW crew, who had such an inflated opinion of themselves that they decided to try and pick a fight with the furries in /b/, ended up getting their own WW thread raided with dumps of furry 40k art? And were so completely humiliated they tried leaking out onto other boards because they were being bullied on /b/ by the furries?

Yeah, the WW posting on the other boards was almost as nothing as the WW threads themselves were. What is it with Warhammer fags having such inflated ideas of their own importance?

Hell, do you appreciate how delusional a group would have to be to think they outnumbered the amount of furries on /b/?

>>96286535
>Hell, do you appreciate how delusional a group would have to be to think they outnumbered the amount of furries on /b/?
I dunno Anon, you are here...

>>96286510
What a fucking stupid idea.

No, we're called /tg/ because moot saw a need for a non-video-game game board, because of all the non-video-game game threads on /v/, including D&D and MtG threads. Man, the mental gymnastics you do just to try and sustain your old lie are embarrassing.

>>96285963 (OP)
Kill jannies. Behead jannies. Roundhouse kick a janny into the concrete. Slam dunk a janny into the /trash/. Crucify filthy janitors. Defecate in a janny's food. Launch jannies into the Sun. Stir fry jannies in a wok. Toss jannies into active volcanoes. Urinate into a janny's gas tank. Judo throw jannies into a wood chipper. Twist janny's heads off. Report jannies to the IRS. Karate chop jannies in half. Curb stomp pregnant jannies. Trap jannies in quicksand. Crush jannies in the trash compactor. Liquefy jannies in a vat of acid. Eat jannies. Dissect jannies. Exterminate jannies in the gas chamber. Stomp janny skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate jannies in the oven. Lobotomize jannies. Mandatory abortions for jannies. Grind janny fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown jannies in fried chicken grease. Vaporize jannies with a ray gun. Kick oldfags down the stairs. Feed jannies to alligators. Slice jannies with a katana. Obliterate mods. Drown mods. Run over mods in trucks. Crack a bottle open over a mod's head. Use mods as shooting practice. Toss mod kittens off bridges. Snap frail mod legs. Crush Hiromoot's head in a hydraulic press. Watch mods kill their children and eat them. Watch jannies stay stuck in /b/ for over 9000 hours.

It definitely at a surface level feels like generals contribute to it. Like I often see 50+ threads on the board that get no replies and then either slide off, or become some zombie thread while everyone else is just retreated away into the generals and presumably don't interact with the rest of the board.

>>96286574
>Slam dunk a janny into the /trash/.
To be fair, "janitorial" board powers aren't much of an issue.
They're there to hopefully clean shit up, and they DO do it for free...
No, it's the "Moderation" level that gives too much power.

>>96286594
>It definitely at a surface level feels like generals contribute to it.
It's a false equivalency; Much like when Quest were shoved off the board, the argument is they "take up too much space" but the reality is the occupy so much board space in the first place because they are the most popular threads.

So everyone here agrees that IDs need to be implemented to spot bad actors? How do we communicate this to board owner?

>>96286616
>the occupy so much board space in the first place because they are the most popular threads.
I wouldn't know. I long since filtered general because all I saw was a shit ton of slow moving threads, many of them seeming to be redundant or spinoffs of each other. Like five or six warhammer generals, five or six dnd generals, etc. etc.

>>96286623
>So everyone here agrees that IDs need to be implemented to spot bad actors?
What kind of ID are we talking?
Because post ID for a particular Thread is only going to identify a single IP address, and you can switch that shit on accident these days.

>>96286633
>many of them seeming to be redundant or spinoffs of each other
I mean your not wrong, but that's more because those are the "popular" systems.
Meanwhile the Anti-General Fags are bitching about things like Alternate Wargaming General because it doesn't hit bump limit in a single week.

>>96286213

>>96286665
>you can switch that shit on accident these days.
It would single out lazy/low effort scum

>>96286623
>so everyone agrees IDs need to be implemented
hell no
The moderation won't improve, all that will do is make this place even more like everyplace else.

>>96286112
This is not the "masturbate to fantasy tropes" board. Those people are keeping the board from degenerating into a black hole of fetish writing prompts and gooner elf spam

>>96286105
I dont see how anyone could unironically think more noise would make a board better when "the whole catalogue is noise" has been the leading complaint for nearly 10 years. Its all retarded shit thats just a waste of time, no wonder the board is dead, how is even more bullshit going to make people want to engage?

>>96286692
>all that will do is make this place even more like everyplace else.
And by that you mean...?

>>96286594
The generals are just a symptom. The board culture has gone to shit.

>Threads continuously clogged with people angry about you making the thread
>Nobody produces anything interesting, so there's nothing positive to get fresh blood interested in posting
>/pol/tards constantly complaining about SJWs, Jews, etc, yet never producing anything of their own, which is basically a specific case of the two previous points

Not sure why things got so much worse in 2021 - brain damage from Covid lockdowns, maybe?

>>96286710
The answer is obvious and simple. Not enough Ribbon.

>>96286702
A social performance more based on who's saying a thing than what they're saying.
At least here I can call you a dumb faggot for your dumb faggot ideas.

>>96286623
kys

>>96286112
What have YOU done? Like what kind of /tg/ stuff have you created?

>>96286510
40k confirmed tranny game if true.

>>96286623
I don't need an ID to tell that the post is bad, and IDs don't carry from thread to thread. The "bad actors" who are capable of not being immediately, trivially recognizable are way less obnoxious than "Traditional games?" guy or bumpfag.

>>96286173
>a slow general sitting on page 10 is bad because... it just is okay?!?
>more "lighthearted" empty shitposts would kill the generals but also generals killed shitposts somehow
>so we have to kill generals so that the shitposts the generals killed can kill generals
Yeah whatever retard. You're just mad you cant keep all your magic system elf type threads alive on page 10. What generals are you even mad at? /agdhbg/? /wod/?

>>96286719
>A social performance more based on who's saying a thing than what they're saying.
Avatar/name fagging existed before. I think it's easier to track conversation, especially when two autists start arguing and then a third person comes in to shit up the conversation. It infuriates me because sometimes the autists get into some really interesting stuff
>>96286720
fuck you, I hope you get toothache.

>>96285993
The opposite actually, I come here a lot less because jannies will give me a 3 day ban for posting anything that offends them (try making a tranny joke on this board)

>>96286112
This is very accurate

>>96286710
>>Threads continuously clogged with people angry about you making the thread
Because you keep making spam
>>Nobody produces anything interesting, so there's nothing positive to get fresh blood interested in posting
Because you keep making spam

Do the work yourself or dont complain

>>96286623
Fuck off redditor

>>96286748
If I do the work myself, why the fuck would I post it on 4chan? So a /pol/tard can come in to complain that black people exist in my setting and don't have -4 Int?

>>96286736
>>a slow general sitting on page 10 is bad because... it just is okay?!?
Hey.

Hey you.

Shut the fuck up, you complete and total retard.

Here, read some of this, you stupid piece of shit.
>>96286373

>>96285963 (OP)
The people who hated this board the most became its mods. There's like a dozen of them.

>>96286594
If the the slide threads were worth engaging with people would engage with them. Splitting 40k or mtg or whatever discussion into multiple threads only creates the appearance of activity because there would be more active threads but the smar amount of posters making the same amount of posts

>>96286759
This has ruined so many boards on 4chan. I genuinely stopped going on /k/ completely because mods will give you a 3 day ban on all boards for posting anything they disagree with, so posting on /k/ and disagreeing with a janny meant I lose access to /tg/ as well. At least on /tg/ they just ban you from the board instead of the entire site.

>>96286742
>try making a tranny joke on this board
Your mother

Seriously though, one of the mods here spams lgbt all the time, they accidentally crosspost threads occasionally. It really shouldnt suprise you that the mentally ill people killing the board are also mentally ill and killing other boards. Fortunately lgbt has so many chasers now that the trannies are finally getting a taste of their own bullshit. Usually saying this gets me a ban but i think they might have quit so ill risk it. Besides, what's the worst that could happen? I take three days off this worthless ruin of a board? Not exactly a punishment lmao

>>96285963 (OP)
>take the largest source of OC on the board (quests) and shunt them to board with zero traffic, killing them entirely
>ban/delete any slightly political comment (femstodes), make criticism of game companies incorporating DEI impossible
>remaining threads polluted by discord lurkers who jump at the chance to troll
>janitors out of control
The hack in april helped the mods chill out, ironically.

>>96286786
Hopefully the mental illness causes them to kill themselves instead, and sooner rather than later. See you in 3 days mate

>>96286770
This. How /k/ was devastated is exactly why I think we need IDs. I seriously believe people here don't understand that there are bad actors and well poisoners poised to destroy chans and chan culture.

Cause does not necessarily equal causation and this this thread is fucking mess, what is even the source of this data?

>>96286755
Counterpoint: i dont give a shit about any of that. The lewd game general and the retards in the slop general dont affect me at all. Two threads out of what, 75? It literally does not matter, and the last thing i want is them posting their garbage porn and ai vomit to the first page of the catalogue. Keep that shit where i dont have to see it

>>96286623
Uhh thread IDs would make things harder for marketers, and give potential advertisers more info about how few people actually use /tg/ these days so we can't have them

>>96285963 (OP)
The entire site has been dying. Likely due to being a hive mind terrified of contrary opinion

>>96285963 (OP)
>What killed /tg/
The decline in quality of both Warhammer and D&D, and nothing to replace it. Both IPs still have fans, but they dwindle through attrition and the fact it's far easier to be a fan of 40k via vidya than anything /tg/ related. Same with D&D, easy to be a secondary but hard to find a group.
Also, death of quest threads. While yes it is true /tg/ may not have been the best place for them, at least they were OC. Now we only have the occasional "/tg/ makes up a setting" to replace it, and in those it's less than a handful of autists all working hard with the crunch while a dozen ideas guys are only able to do the initial worldbuilding but not much after.
>how would you fix it?
More OC is the solution, and discussion of tabletop games beyond Warhammer and D&D. These are not bad IPs, they're only bad in they're almost exclusively what /tg/ is interested in.

>>96286759
More than a dozen most likely. Between mod infiltrators and discord raids the board has basically become unusable.

>>96286790
>The hack in april helped the mods chill out, ironically.
Because most of them bailed.

>>96286754
>if im productive i wont waste my time posting it here because /tg/ is full of spam and retards
Yep. Now you're getting it. So long as theres spam and retards, noone is ever going to post anything worth replying to. Your solution of adding more spam is just adding more reasons for me to go someplace else

>>96286786
yeah, the problem on this board is there aren't enough people posting how much they hate trans people, for sure. how can we post about elves, magic, werewolves, dungeons, wizards, or anything else without being sure to add in, "btw, I also hate troons in case you didn't know"?

>>96286817
>Likely due to being a hive mind terrified of contrary opinion
I really wanna post the April hack post counts by countries.

>>96285963 (OP)
Policing conversations killed /tg/. So the solution would be to not police conversations.
/v/ has better conversations about 40k now because people are there to talk about and explore the setting. If someone wants to talk about how 40K relates to literally anything else, they're allowed to do that, instead of eating a ban and being forced to do something else.
If someone thinks mods are going to ban them for something off-topic then they stop coming here. Simple as.

>>96286821
Also a reminder that this dead board had 10 mods

>>96285963 (OP)
Its not just /tg/
Every board is basically a ghost town these days.
The blackout really was the final nail in the coffin, people just left and never came back.

>>96286825
Who said i hate trannies? I hate agp transbians, as everyone should, but hsts and aydens are fine

>>96286837
Why does a board this small and slow need so many mods?

>>96286739
Select several posts you think are the same anon. I've never seen this done and every time anyone has accused me of samefagging it has in fact been several different anons.

>>96286801
Post ID would be the death blow for this board. Imagine you get post ID just to see you are actually agreeing and arguing with the same 3-4 anons in a general. Same fagging will be gone as well, which will tank post count even further, and whether you like it or not I have generated a lot of meaningful discussions by same fagging.

>>96286840
1. there are lots of posts where people post about how much they hate trannies, so this mod strategy is simply not being applied to the extent you claim
2. hating troons has nothing to do with the subject of the board, traditional games
3. if anything, hating on arbitrary groups of people seems to be anticorrelated with being a creative, worthwhile human being capable of meaningfully contributing to TTRPGs. I've played more RPGs made by trannies than by transphobes.

>>96286834
>/v/ has better
No. We shouldn’t aspire to be anything like /v/. It’s a fools wish.

>>96286790
>take the largest source of OC on the board (quests)
That's a hard and fast lie. Quests were incredibly insular, and what they "made" never went far beyond within themselves.

Before /qst/, /tg/ was the best place to put quests, but from their more accessible origins they quickly spiraled into incredibly walled-off private chats that only existed for a few people who would be willing to read through a hundred previous threads. They had many of the worst symptoms of the worst generals, but magnified to the extreme.

Originally, quests made sense for 4chan, but as people changed them to be longer and more of a collaborative free-form fiction exercise than something like the planned out dungeon that was Rubyquest, they made less and less sense on a standard board like /tg/. It's almost like people don't understand the transient and ephemeral nature of this website, where posts are not meant to live forever.

Above all else, /qst/ being made had no real effect on /tg/, and everyone who keeps trying to pretend it did is largely just ignoring the much bigger issues to try and focus attention on a dead topic.

>>96286862
/tg/ was like /v/ ten years ago. And that was the best time.

>>96286834
This is exactly why I rarely come here anymore

>>96286837
>Also a reminder that this dead board had 10 mods
Yeah the funniest part of the leaks for me was finding out that /pol/ only has four more jannies than /tg/ does

>>96286868
/v/ ten years ago is nowhere near the shithole it is now. It’d make /b/ disgusted.

>>96285963 (OP)
When did the schoolgirl footdom quest threads get their own board?

>>96286804
Hey, I just told you to shut the fuck up, and you decided to be even more retarded.

It's not just two threads that are zombie generals, and more importantly it's a proven fact that generals do NOT act as containment threads. So, please, shut the fuckety-fuck up, you shit-breathing toilet worm.

>>96285963 (OP)
>go to any MTG thread
>REEEE NIGS REEE TRANNIES
>"Hey, can we talk about the g-"
>SHUT UP TRANNY REEEE
There's little point.

>>96286867
>and what they "made" never went far beyond within themselves.
Why would it need to? So you can farm karma with it on reddit?

>>96286855
It's almost as if...
>>96286858
>literal samefagging shilling for samefag circlejerking and producing an illusion of conversation
Not only are you mentally ill but also a sociopath jesus fuck.

>>96286824
No, you are misreading and misunderstanding, probably because you are one of the worthless posters who shit up threads.

Talking to fa/tg/uys about magic or gods or whatever could be a fun use of my time; so could collaborative worldbuilding projects. Neither of these can happen on /tg/ any longer without half the posts being whining about the thread existing and/or it dying instantly. You're welcome to find some exception, but you won't.

If I made and completed an actual TTRPG, hexcrawl, dungeon, or any other content, I would post it on Reddit before here.

>>96286867
>/qst/ being made had no real effect on /tg/
What are you even talking about. The entire catalogue was flooded with quests before the exodus.
There are guys in /qst/, right now, who are literally animating their quests. But they don't see a lot of activity because the board population is non-existent.
>>>/qst/6279595

>>96286801
>I think we need IDs.
>other thing xyz destroy chans and chan culture.
lmao even

>>96286889
Samefagging GENERATES real conversation. A lot of losers are too lazy or timid to reply to a topic posted, but they are willing to JOIN an ongoing conversation about said topic. Replying to yourself has a massive success rate at starting conversations instead of no reply stagnant s threads

>>96286908
>A lot of losers are too lazy or timid to reply to a topic posted
This, I lurked for years.

>>96286902
>The entire catalogue was flooded with quests before the exodus.
The average simultaneous number of quest threads on the board averaged at less than 5.

>>96286908
You are fucking demented and that is horrific dead internet behavior.
>>96286906
>there are no bad actors, take your meds
well poisoning at it's finest.

>>96286917
I don't know what you're smoking but it's time to share. If it was as you say, they wouldn't have created /qst/ at all.

>>96285963 (OP)
Mostly it's Generals. People who are of like mind and share similar, but not the same, interests are not cross-pollinating discussion and ideas. People are just told to go to the corner where a specific franchise is talked about and anything outside of that gets ignored.

Second, the removal of quests. It's not that quests were inflating post numbers, as you can see from this graph. But quests being welcome on /tg/ was an invitation for discussion between communities and a big Hollywood-esque sign that /tg/ welcomed random bouts of creativity. Removing quests was a move that showed /tg/ wouldn't welcome discussion outside of established franchises/media. Trying to do anything original has been really discouraged ever since.

Finally, it's part of the mainstreaming of nerd culture. Instead of coming to /tg/ to discuss things, people can talk about shit with their IRL friend groups or on dedicated sub-Reddits or Discords in a freer method than is permitted on /tg/. /tg/ may have anonymity so you can share honest opinions, but anything that is a related tangent to the topic at hand is chased off and removed by mods and jannies who have decided there are only the narrowest rails within which people can discuss traditional games.

>>96286837
yikes but makes sense for how shit it can be
Look at a general with an extension that keeps deleted posts up. One in particular has a huge problem with a mod deleting helpful posts while keeping the troll posts.

>>96286674
You can definitely see this being applied through shitty, generic, one-sentence bait posts.

>>96286925
It is as I say. Some mod wanted quests gone due to his personal mental defects, not for any objective reason. Don't underestimate just how insane these people are.

>>96286924
You don't get it and its sad.
The bad actors are the mods and/or in cahoots with them. Names won't help that, all that would do is make a more easily identifiable safe 'consensus'. All other commentary would cease entirely.

>>96286887
No, as in stuff made for a quest rarely went beyond the quest thread.

What people understood in the past was that /tg/ was a community, and that threads did not exist on solitary islands thousands of miles away from each other. While this meant that sometimes arguments would spill over dozens of threads, it also meant that people would collaborate, compete, and generally interact with people on a much larger scale.

>>96286101
>>96286107
trannies hate 4chan because you can say doubleplusungood things anonymously so they've dedicated their lives to DDOSing the site with bots and spam
there are several mods from those ranks and they hate 4chan
there was a leak a while ago that doxxed them and they're all unironic trannies
this is why they don't ban the bumpbot obviously spamming the catalog 24/7 which singlehandedly killed the board
every single board is getting the same treatment although there are low functioning autists as well who are indistinguishable from bots
every single thread that gets more lively is immediately raided with spam
it's all on purpose

>>96286908
anon if threads, generals, or whatever needs artificial conversations to subsist, than its better for it to die.
Jesus christ this is mental illness that is on par with tranny cock mutilation.

>>96286961
You are talking to a bot. Every time the spambot is brought up you get these posts telling you it's actually a good thing that the board is spammed with chatgpt nonsense and then you get banned

>>96286954
No, you don't get it. I'd rather embrace a dead board and NOT have a conversation with a shizo and his 10 tulpas. You are mad.

>>96286958
>No, as in stuff made for a quest rarely went beyond the quest thread.
This applies to non-quest threads too. So should we just wipe the entire board clean because they don't generate household memes on the regular? Again, why do you seek some kind of popularity on an anonymous board?

>>96286959
Trannies are now Jews with an insidious super-conspiracy that forces every single thread on this board to have zero productive content or conversations in it. Why they are bothering to do this to this dying shithole, yet this post stays up, is a question we will one day discover the answer to.

>>96286976
>I'd rather have a non-conversation like all the other places on the internet
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, go to any of those.

>>96286989
No you fucking shizo sociopath, you go make a chan simulacrum somewhere offline!

>>96286859
1) you can jab trannies in passing, you get banned for linking them to lgbt
2) its on topic when certain identifiable posters are regulars on multiple boards specifically tttt
3) you're mad and backpedaling because you didnt expect to be countered so brutally. Now tip your hand. Are you a seething agp diapertranny running defence, or just a simp who doesnt even know what the terms im using mean?

>>96286930
>Removing quests was a move that showed /tg/ wouldn't welcome discussion outside of established franchises/media. Trying to do anything original has been really discouraged ever since.

This is close, but fundamentally wrong.

/tg/ is still open to original things and they're not discouraged, and more importantly Quests were not removed from /tg/ until several months AFTER /qst/ was made, and when /tg/'s population was actually already recovering from the 2016 election onslaught. /qst/ was originally an optional trial board, not a containment board, and was made in recognition of quest's increasing popularity as well as their developing deviation from a standard 4chan thread. It wasn't until both questers kept making threads on /tg/ to complain about /qst/ while anti-quest trolls kept complaining about quests still being on /tg/ that the mods changed the policy to make quests banned from /tg/.

The part you're close about is that /qst/ set a bad precedent thanks to poor communication from the mods. They never said the were bowing to pressure from the anti-quests trolls, but the trolls ran with that idea, and the precedent of "if trolls complain about something long enough, it will be removed" helped fuel their behavior for the next decade.

>>96286988
>is a question we will one day discover the answer to.
Its just bog standard leftypol slacktivism.
Its not tranny specific really, although it seems notable in this case. Various online sedentary groups try and make a thing they're already involved with too much into a moral activity to pursue and control.

>>96286994
Nta but tons of alt chans got spammed with CP endlessy until the owners had to take them down. Who the fuck clicks shady links to CP shit in Russia? It's something large scale to kill anonymous communities and the decentralized internet in general

>>96286726
I start heaps of threads that die so WH thread #98765456 can get posted.
I made different settings for campaigns that nobody gave a shit about because it wasn't part of some kind of thread with "general" in the title.
I've actively encouraged discussion of newer or more obscure games and systems only to be called a "shill" or told to "buy an ad".
Honestly, the only reason I come here half the time is to talk about board games because /bgg/ is still a good time. I would talk about Savage Worlds but some faggot will shit the thread up hard enough it kills all discussion.

>>96286884
How many then? Put a number on it. How many generals are "ruining" the board?
Better yet, link them. You arent just lying to poison the board even more... are you?

>>96287003
>2) its on topic when certain identifiable posters are regulars on multiple boards specifically tttt
Who are these "certain identifiable posters?"

>Are you a seething agp diapertranny running defence, or just a simp who doesnt even know what the terms im using mean?
I know what AGP means, and am a cisgendered white heterosexual male, who is fucking tired of seeing the term "tranny" used like "Jew". It's the same tedious mental poison with a different coat of paint, and since I'm not Jewish either, I don't even get to breathe a sigh of relief that the schizos have latched on to a fresh target.

>>96286977
Hey, dimwit. You're the idiot who said "Quests were the largest source of OC on the board," and now you're at "Well, lots of other threads didn't generate any OC for the board" like you think that changes your initial argument.

>>96287009
>and was made in recognition of quest's increasing popularity
Quests were the least popular they've ever been at the time the rule got instated.
>/qst/ was originally an optional trial board
It was obvious that it would become mandatory, don't even try this coy shit.

>>96286994
Make me.

>>96287023
How do you not understand "Shut the fuck up"?

>>96287027
It does generate OC. You're the one who's demanding that said OC gain some kind of mainstream popularity because you don't understand what anonymous boards are for.

>>96287020
I'm aware of that. I know some chans ban specific countries because they flood the boards with CP. Especially if they're rightwing.

>>96286288
>brainlet thinks downtrend means financial reports
UHHH UUH YOU WERE RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT NOT MY SACRED COW! NOOO MY TIMESINK IS DIFFERENT. ONLY D&D AND MTG AND EVERY OTHER THING ARE ON A DOWNWARD SPIRAL NOOOOO NOT THE 1 THING THAT I LIKE NOOO I CAN'T TAKE OFF MY BLINDERS

>>96285963 (OP)
No clue. The site owner is an absentee rent seeker and the admin that's actually in charge seems to only care for /pol/, so there's no way to implement anything from the top-down. The userbase is full of people who have fried their ability to enjoy much of anything beyond ragebait, so there's no way for the users to come together.

>wh threads
>quests
Not the threads like what color are the horses in your setting which is most of the catalog. And they get bumped endlessly for weeks with chatgpt fake discussion where the bot asks an inane prompt and writes a bunch of essays to reply to itself
but if you say botspam you get banned in 3 seconds

How would you start/maintain a "/tg/ makes a setting," "/tg/ makes a game," "/tg/ makes a dungeon," or whatever other collaborative project on this board, which would actually be productive in the end?

There's a lot of blaming various "bad guys" in this thread, but no real guidance towards how to produce something worthwhile. I have tried making a couple collab-type threads on this board, and they both died pretty quickly.

>>96286893
>a fun use of my time
See theres the problem. You see the board as a tool for your own amusement. Specifically, the creative work of others as something for your own amusement. Im not here to entertain you, its a waste of my time. You creating threads to farm our creative efforts is what drives us from the board.

As you say, i dont need you to see my work, and i know when something is one-sided. I will write for my own sake. If you want to be entertained, you should write for your own sake too. If you want people to share their work, share yours.

>>96287076
>You see the board as a tool for your own amusement.
You're right, I should post on the board to make myself and others miserable instead. It's pretty clearly the dominant culture at this point.

>>96287059
everyone who made content has quit once it became obvious that most interaction you get is fake and you're wasting your time and replying to bots
the well is poisoned and the mods ban those who point out the botting and spam instead of issuing rangebans

Is that youtube channel still farming greentexts btw? That's the shit that killed this site. old 4chan would've doxxed them

>>96286989
Nta but yeah, thats what we're doing, its the point of the whole thread isnt it? We would rather have no board than... this. If you want an alive board you have to choose between having us here and the board how we like it, or the board how you like it and no users. Its not a threat or ultimatum or anything, we're making the same choice with the same conditions after all, but it is how it is

>>96287101
>Is that youtube channel still farming greentexts btw? That's the shit that killed this site.
who giveth a fuck if some youtube channel reposts your posts

sue them for copyright infringement if it really pisses you off

>>96287028
>Quests were the least popular they've ever been at the time the rule got instated.
Wrong. Quests went from literally a single quest, to slow and gradual growth and increasing popularity of several. So, please, don't be retarded.
>It was obvious that it would become mandatory, don't even try this coy shit.
There's lots of ways that things could have turned out, especially if the questers stopped bitching about /qst/ on /tg/ and stopped acting like victims after getting their own board with brand new features just for them.

At face value, the mods were not punishing questers, they were rewarding them and showing faith in what they were doing, and they seemed to genuinely believe that quests could grow into something that could fill up a whole board. But, that relied heavily on the questers putting the effort into making /qst/ a place worth visiting.

It might have been unfair to put so much responsibility on the questers, but it was an opportunity, not a punishment. They had a new board, all to themselves, and it was up to them to make it grow by their own merits, rather than relying on the free eyeballs that quests got on the more popular traditional games board.

Of course, some of the questers fucked up. Many of the more popular quests just stayed on /tg/, questers made threads complaining about /qst/ and asking to get rid of it, and generally the critical period of early /qst/ was squandered. And, all this, while helping fuel the troll narrative of "/qst/ was made just because trolls complained about it."

Is it unfair to ask a mixed group of randos to act mature and put effort and time into building up a board on their own? Perhaps, but there was really nothing stopping them from making /qst/ great, and many did put in the effort to do so while some were just being little bitches like you.

>>96287035
Ah, so your anti-general spam IS unjustified astroturfing. Thanks for confirming that

>>96287101
I don't get how does this hurt the board? You think the conversation here would drop that much just so people can end up in nobody's greentext video?

>>96285963 (OP)
Shitty mods. Shitty users. Shitty everything. You can't fix this. It's over.

>>96287009
>2016 election onslaught
This has always been a boogeyman. If you actually looked at the graph in OP you'd see there is zero meaningful increase in traffic in 2016

>>96287036
OC that only a handful of people could ever care about and the vast majority would never even see is hardly the kind of OC people talk about when talking about great /tg/ OC.

It's like me saying my private games/stories are /tg/ OC, even if I never posted them here.
Do you really not understand this? If you make a private chatroom, and then post stuff in that private chatroom, it doesn't count as a contribution to anything other than that private chatroom?

Please, tell me you understand at least that much.

>>96287024
>Who are these "certain identifiable posters?"
Bumpfag, trannyjanny and i for starters
>>96287024
>I know what AGP means
No you dont, or you would have referenced ray. You're some (((ally))) talking shit with no grip on real fag politics. Go to /lgbt/ and see the diaper spam and larp threads for yourself.

>>96287118
>Quests went from literally a single quest, to slow and gradual growth and increasing popularity of several
What the fuck are you even on about? The peak of quests (in terms of average number of threads up simultaneously at any given time) was in 2010-2012. Quests were banished several years after that.
>There's lots of ways that things could have turned out
There was only one. It was going to become mandatory no matter what. As was evident from the fact that it remained completely unused until it became mandatory, after which it still remained unused because quests weren't actually as abundant as some people claimed.

None of the shit you're saying makes any sense. It seems to me that there's a very distinct possibility that you're a mod samefagging in defense of his mentally ill grudge against quests >>96286953

>>96287147
>OC that only a handful of people could ever care about and the vast majority would never even see is hardly the kind of OC people talk about when talking about great /tg/ OC.
Because you can't farm them on reddit or youtube? Kill yourself.
>It's like me saying my private games/stories are /tg/ OC, even if I never posted them here.
Except it did get posted, so this is a retarded analogy. You're a fucking moron.

>>96287118
>Perhaps, but there was really nothing stopping them from making /qst/ great, and many did put in the effort to do so while some were just being little bitches like you.
There obviously was.

Look, you clearly don't understand quests, at all, so I'll explain to you why /qst/ was doomed from the start.

There are two kinds of "quests," basically: "real time" quests, where updates are generally <1h apart, and "PBP" quests, where updates are generally >24h apart. In order for a real time quest to function, there MUST BE a certain critical mass of people actively participating. Most /tg/ quests could just barely pass this margin, while having lots of posters who might see it in passing in the catalog and decide to click on it.

/qst/ may have "brand new" features, but 4chan's actual tools are dogshit for quests, whether PBP or real time. If I want to run a real time quest, fiction.live is better; if I want to run a PBP one, there's dozens of boards out there to do it. I can edit posts elsewhere; new readers can have all the posts in a nice neat thread they can scroll through. Why would I post a quest on /qst/?

Literally the only advantage of 4chan over either of these sites was its large user base, which the exile instantly annihilated.

>>96287080
Ah but you do
You want me to write for free so you will be entertained
Does that sound fair to you?

>>96287023
Not him, but some times I'll have 5-6 shitpost threads up at a time that all have hundreds of replies and get bumped for over a week in the catalogue.

>>96287059
There are a few that are quite successful.
But most collaborative work is in reality 1-3 highly motivated people who carry the rest. If you go in expecting it to be a mythical everyone togetherness sort of thing its not going to work. Applies to most human efforts really.

>>96287148
>No you dont, or you would have referenced ray. You're some (((ally))) talking shit with no grip on real fag politics. Go to /lgbt/ and see the diaper spam and larp threads for yourself.
Why would I reference Blanchard? Just to prove I can use Google? You can either believe me or not, faggot. And no, I won't go to /lgbt/.

>>96287145
It's a sharp DECLINE in 2016's /tg/ population, because /pol/ raids were making this board practically unusable.
Basically, between 2015 and 2016, /pol/'s population exploded, up to the point where they were raiding other boards essentially with impunity by just overwhelming the mods. You might not have been here to remember that time, but it was really bad here, and for a good time afterwards as well.

>>96287103
Nope, you're staying here to complain that here doesn't do what you want when you could actually close the tab and go to any other tg related discussion site you stupid nigger.

>>96287161
I don't want to read a single post from you at all. You seem really annoying and to have way too high an opinion of yourself.

The objective reality is that the board got worse after quests were gone, not better. And I don't even know why.

>>96287168
I feel bad about that sort of thing. I mean, if I make a "collaborative worldbuilding" thread, then spend every thread posting my own ideas and being 50+% of the content posted, what's the point? I can write my own stuff on Google Docs at that point.

>>96286837
>dox is dropped, most of the mods are trannies
>they're actually perfectly passable in their 20's
Why would anybody waste their time moderating a wacom tablet banking simulator if they were perfectly fuckable
Like seriously, go start a family. Go have fun. Do something important, you can escape this place.

>>96287111
>>96287136
>just don't think about it and create le content for the grifters
kek there was a time where I made sure to make all my posts a yt ban hazard and I told the woman in that channel to choke on nigger dick every single time
the point is that you know you're getting farmed for content and you're not here to discuss things with other hobbyists. it's all bots and content farming so someone can take an epic screenshot for reddit. maybe because I'm not a literal cuck I do not enjoy this. most discussions on /tg/ don't even have a structure anymore, there's a prompt question made by a bot and a bunch of posts by chatgpt and a few retards who actually take the bait and absolutely no interaction on those posts until the next inane prompt question when the thread hits page 10

>>96287205
>trannies
>passable

>>96287136
NTAYRT
I think it rustles some anons that a nonanon is taking credit for their ideas which they had intended to be unaccredited in general, so it discourages them from posting at all.
Not a problem I encounter personally, if anyone really feels like it they can easily search the archive and post it with the timestamp on the offending video comments section to show its 'stolen', although I'm not sure stealing anonymous content matters that much. Seems more like a personal principal thing. If a random youtuber gets big or famous enough from things we post their fame will be very easily turned into a mob by revealing its origins. 4chan isn't even that bad but its still social media pariah tainted stuff to genpop.

>>96287179
>sharp decline
lol

>>96287193
You read a bunch of them tho. This one too.

>>96287159
You have to remember that not even RubyQuest succeeded naturally. Ads had to be purchased for it on other sites in order to get enough people interested in it to make it actually work. But, after its success, it became easier for the other quests.

Quests, inherently, are a struggle to get moving and to build up to finally get that "critical mass", and this was understood as early as RubyQuest. So, when placed in a new board and a sharp decline in population, what's the best move after such a setback?

Lots of effort into making the board great, to build up that board and reach a new critical mass, something that by all accounts /qst/ actually had for a good while when it was still getting lots of attention as the newest 4chan board and was getting a huge infusion of new blood?

Or waste the next decade acting like a victim?
You made your choice, I guess.

>>96287170
>he doesnt know
Well you refuse go learn and im certainly not going to tell you

>>96287212
No it's not that, it's that you are interacting with an inorganic environment specifically set up to get your answer so it can be used as content/train bots/etc
it's not that hard to understand if you're not being disingenuous

>>96287203
I think some anons get a bit of ideas at the wall writing exercise out of it, or a bit of random feedback. Doesn't have to be a sprawling epic or whatever. Its unlikely anons will have that much connectivity given the variety of games, groups, etc. they're dealing with.
Threads can have a short bit or two that are good or useful and then fall off the board, that's okay.

>>96287222
That's /pol/'s chart, not /tg/'s. /tg/'s is in the OP.

>>96287180
You posted this without a hint of self-awareness huh
What are you doing right now anon?

>>96287239
That makes sense anon, thanks for clarifying.

Post IDs would finally rid /wfg/ of Perrynigger and I suspect several other generals as well

>>96287240
>WAOW THE BOT TOOK A KEYWORD IN MY POST AND SAID "VERY INTERESTING TELL ME MORE ABOUT POTATOES IN YOUR SETTING" HOW THRILLING
nobody is even replying. It's just a bot talking to itself. I refuse to believe there are retards who haven't figured out or they're doing it willingly

>>96287193
How bitter and hostile. You know, your posting style is almost identical to the guy who irrationally hates generals...

>>96287244
>we would rather have no board
>f5s like a bitch anyway
>le self awareness
I'm here to laugh at you and its working great.

>>96287239
So the content farming is a crater on the face of a problem much greater. The problem is compound. I'm still for ID as it would at least point out the "why is X in your setting" bots who never ever reply to any posts, samefaggots simulating a conversation and just necrobump the threads. I believe it would setup a good environments to hopefully, one day get a mod who could hammer the bots and samefaggot shizo threads with impunity.

>>96287231
>Lots of effort into making the board great, to build up that board and reach a new critical mass, something that by all accounts /qst/ actually had for a good while when it was still getting lots of attention as the newest 4chan board and was getting a huge infusion of new blood?
>
>Or waste the next decade acting like a victim?
Or, y'know, going to a different website, with a larger userbase than /qst/ has ever had, where I can enjoy such amazing features as:
- The ability to edit posts for typos
- The ability to have all the posts in one single place rather than forcing you to navigate suptg to catch up on the story
- Tools to auto-tally votes

I don't act like the victim, I just literally do not post here anywhere near as much as I did back in the day.

I was here when /qst/ was new. There was no point you could run a "real time" style quest.

>>96287274
>anons kills the board
great plan genius!

>>96287260
>its different because im really really invested in what you have to say
...thanks?

>>96287274
Anon, the mods are compromised up to the top. There is no fixing that. IDs will not unfuck a power structure.

>>96287274
They'll never do ids. They want the site to die

>>96287279
go away samefag bot shizo! Shoo!

>>96287274
Hmm. Id prefer just unique poster counts back, but you make a compelling case

>>96287275
Go back lol

>>96287275
Look, you're a bitch. You're gonna bitch. You were given a free board, and you chose to waste your life complaining about it because, according to you, you apparently shouldn't have been making quests on 4chan to begin with. Who is supposed to cry for you?

What your posts says is that no one should care about quests on 4chan, because they're better on other websites. Great. Can we, and more importantly you, move on now?

>>96286012
Tpbp

>>96285993
Are you the guy who enters literally every single non-general thread to whine about how the mods need to delete it?
You'll never be happy until the entire board gets deleted, huh?

>>96287315
>samefagging
>while accusing one person of making literally every single anti-spam post board-wide
For shame bumpfag

>>96286167
Yeah

>>96285963 (OP)
Honestly the alt-right racist/sexist/whatever-phobes and their inability to talk about anything but their fucking identity politics 24x7.

>>96287305
>You were given a free board
I was not "given" a "free board," that is the entire issue you love to lie about, and the entire reason I'm arguing with you.

Quests were exiled to /qst/, which killed them. You know it killed them, that was the point of doing it, you just have to lie and say "oh, if you only had said, 'yes, I will run a quest on this dogshit board with no users,' then /qst/ would have been great."

>you apparently shouldn't have been making quests on 4chan to begin with
Nope, never said that. This is just obvious projection of your own opinions. This is the reason you have to lie about what happened: you're glad they got excised to /qst/, where they promptly died, which is what you wanted to happen. You don't want to accept the responsibility, though, for some incomprehensible reason.

You won! You tricked the mods into killing quests on 4chan, a website they apparently don't belong on (in your board police view), so congratulations! Feel proud! Good work!

>>96287293
Why did they get rid of unique poster count?

>>96287255
>I refuse to believe
¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
Its quite probable its a combination of bots, idiots and the occasional earnest attempt. Part of the enshitification process.

>>96287330
>You won! You tricked the mods into killing quests on 4chan
You're probably talking to one of the mods in question lol

>>96287324
>Muh bumpfag
That's a myth that trolls created.

>>96287329
>Honestly the alt-right racist/sexist/whatever-phobes and their inability to talk about anything but their fucking identity politics 24x7

>>96287329
Rent free

>>96287332
Like a year ago? I kept pointing out how OPs would never reply in false-activity mod threads, so its probably my fault

>>96287348
>yes, I'm constantly shitting up threads, BUT, you think about me constantly shitting up threads, so I am the victor

>>96287339
Its (you)!

>>96287341
People really save this shit on their devices

>>96287284
>really really invested
lmao even
You're a joke. That's it. We'll eventually go away one way or another and move on. That's the idea. Its amusing to me you don't like it here and would rather have a dead board, but keep posting regardless. That shit's bananas.
I like it here. There's warts and problems but its better than anyplace else.

>>96287332
it revealed how much the mods were working with the people trying to destroy the board like this fella right here >>96287339

>>96287330
I was one of the people who defended quests on /tg/ from the anti-quest trolls, and reported many of the spammed troll threads complaining about quests.. Before /qst/, /tg/ was a perfectly good board for them, and I saw no issue with them being here, and an infinite number of problems with the anti-quest trolls.

But, after /qst/ was made, /tg/ was no longer the best place for quests. But, I still didn't have a problem seeing them here, and was more upset by the anti-quest trolls still complaining about quests than the questers complaining about /qst/.

But, your continued lies about how important quests were to /tg/ and your attempts to turn every single meta-thread into a cryfest about /qst/ have soured me considerably towards your shit.

You want to be a victim so badly, you've made even someone who was once your ally turn on you. Good job, I guess.

>>96285993
Not enough rifts content is what destroyed thus bitch.
Too much savage faggotry

>>96287375
Nobody believes you.

>>96286012
Generals are literally the only reason to use this board anymore. There's nothing /tg/ related going on anywhere else.

>>96287368
I would like for the board to live in a state i enjoy, but ill vote with my proverbial wallet if it isnt. I suggest you think about what you like about how things are beyond "Elsewhere is worse". If all you can get is shit, its best to get nothing

>>96287387
>i reject the truth because it hurts me
Says a lot about you.

>>96287357
>>96287362
>ad hominem fallacy
Nah, I never use this place, it got boring.

>>96287375
Ok this is definitely the mod kek

>>96287404
Thats not what an ad-homenim is. Its a fallacy claiming some negative trait of a person's character makes their argument incorrect.

What we're saying is not that you're wrong because you're bumpfag, we're saying you're lying

>>96287332
Hiro was probably scared that it would make advertisers realise how few people were actually seeing their ads

>>96287407
He always talks the same way and makes the same arguments, you can clock him pretty easily if you just use the same probes itt

>>96287339
It's called a boogeyman.
It's a tactic idiots use on this board often, because they want to turn the "opposition" to their opinion or the perpetrators of a particular action into the absolute minimum, a single person. I don't even think they actually want people to take them seriously about their boogeyman, they're just hoping for the Middle Ground Fallacy to kick in and for people to assume that the truth exists somewhere between their own experience and the troll's absolute minimum lie.

>>96287402
>I'll vote with my proverbial wallet
I bet.
>some sanctimonious crap pretending to care about strangers on the internet
See you next week anon.

I used to be pretty active on /tg/, but then I started getting Captcha timers of 900 seconds every time I wanted to post, with like a 30-second window to send or I have to do it all over again.

Also CGL hired some real shitbags during covid that not only alienated anyone right of center (I'm not even, more traditional left, but recognize making an echo chamber of leftists who've never held a gun isn't good practice for giving a setting about war robots verisimilitude), hired a tranny they dredged out of the uncanny valley to become the online PR representative, who also proceeded to go gestapo with a shitlist and ban hundreds of people online for even communicating with people they don't like. CGL held a coup of their demo team, ousting Orange Lady, who I personally saw get the promotion to demo team leader back in 2012, but they also increasingly seemed to push Battletech away from being straight faced and detailed towards being farcical and dumbed down. Alpha Strike front and center, Aces, BT Gothic, Urbanmech LAMs, 'Battlefield Support' tanks without proper record sheets in the mercenaries box even though standard mechs got them, even Hinterlands art giving mechs flags and capes and shit, soldiers riding cows for fun in the middle of a battlefield. Memes and silliness should be left to the community. The people in charge of the game should not. A joke or reference on the sly is one thing but D&D honor among thieves tier goofiness front and center undermines it.

tl;dr: CGL's staff went from inept to full tranny/tourist-placating retard and it's sapped most of my passion for BT in the process.

Ironically, PGI did the opposite, and really turned their image around since they got Mechwarrior 5 onto consoles. Not that I play consoles but it finally lit a fire under their collective asses and they actually started to try to make their games decent instead of minimal viable content. It's not the glory days of MW2 at the cutting edge of computer graphics, but solid.

>>96287417
>Its a fallacy claiming some negative trait of a person's character makes their argument incorrect.
>we're saying you're lying
Yes, exactly. You're calling me a liar.You also accuse me of something I never did, three times in the same post.>>96287371

>>96287475
Yeah

>>96287552
The 900 sec timer was only if you were browsing in incognito mode or phone posting not connected to a wifi network. It's because they can't ban your IP if you're doing either of those two things so they tried to prevent you from doing it

>>96285963 (OP)
There's no reason for every board to not have IDs.

Wonderfag vs “nooo magic isn’t science or wonder nooo” guy

>>96286679
>It would single out lazy/low effort scum
It takes less time that the post timer!

>>96286699
>I dont see how anyone could unironically think more noise would make a board better when "the whole catalogue is noise" has been the leading complaint for nearly 10 years
It's why I call them tourist, speed might work for other boards but we're a bunch of old farts.

>>96286759
>The people who hated this board the most became its mods. There's like a dozen of them.
And I probably caused at least two of them...

>>96286804
>Counterpoint
And now there are two of us calling him out on this shit.

>>96286930
>People who are of like mind and share similar, but not the same, interests are not cross-pollinating discussion and ideas.
Again, you're not going to get that just by axing the threads people are congregating in!

/tg/ has 11 different jannies right now. Eleven, anon. So that means that when I make a post, I have 11 different people reading over it to look for anything they don't like. That's my only real motivation is not to be hassled, that and the fear of my posts being nuked. But you know, anon, that will only make someone put in just enough effort not to get banned.

>>96287612
I pretty much only post from a computer because phone typing is a chore, and I don't think that I'm running incognito mode on the browser I use for /tg/. I do run ad-blocker though, because I got my share of antivirus-ad malware from popups in the noughties and Youtube ads got relentless. Still, I have ad blocker turned off for the chans because they're not insistent and don't get in the way.
Regardless of if its because of settings I chose, if the 900 second captcha made me lose interest in posting, probably no shortage of others in the same boat.

Tee gee is a tee hee board and nothing else

>>96287665
/tg/ has 11 jannies, yet none of them actually do anything about the problems plaguing this board. No matter how much people bitch and complain, they are powerless to actually do anything. I wish the hack permanently killed this shit website and scattered the tranny jannies to the wind.

Hell, I would have settled for dox on any of /tg/'s jannies.

>>96287685
M-macaroni?

>>96287665
11 jannies??? How do they afford to pay that many?!

>>96286959
>>96286961
>>96287003
>TRAAAAAAANNNNIES... REEEEEE!!!!
Considering it was a site focused around the other kind of TG that introduced me to proper D&D, I do question if you fuckers ever actually play games.

>>96287022
>I've actively encouraged discussion of newer or more obscure games and systems only to be called a "shill" or told to "buy an ad".
...Are you starting singular threads centered around a singular game?
Because I'm sorry Anon, that just isn't going to work.
I know you guys want cross-pollination, but your much more likely to get someone interested in an offbeat Wargame in Alternative Wargame General than trying to force engagement alone.

>>96287334
>Its quite probable its a combination of bots, idiots and the occasional earnest attempt. Part of the enshitification process.
And hell, these days people go TO the Bots to get prodded!

>>96287377
>Not enough rifts content is what destroyed thus bitch. Too much savage faggotry
I get ya, but honestly after the fucking Robotech fiasco do we even trust Palladium to keep the main line steady?

>>96287586
You are bumpfag and you're lying. And you're misusing a fallacy while claiming being accused of lying is proof you arent lying, which itself is the fallacy fallacy (also technically incorrect because you're still using ad-homeniem wrong).

That makes you a retarded lying faggot on three points in one post which i think is conclusive evidence to anyone with a pulse that you are bumpfag
Qed

>>96285993
>There's no fixing it now, the board's been ruined since 2020.
I honestly think a lot of fa/tg/uys died in 2020, like the initial drop in number of threads were startling.

>>96285963 (OP)
I'll never forgive those fucking retards for moving quests away.

>>96287815
>ad hominem fallacy again and for the third time

>>96287787
>i got into roleplaying from gay porn, why isnt everyone else gay too?
Have SOME self awareness, good grief...

The only way to fix this place is with porn.

>>96287822
They probably took the vax.

>>96287891
Any particular reason you chose child porn anon?

>>96287880
That looks very gay

>>96287903
>Won't someone think of the drawing
how did you turn out like this.

>>96287822
>I honestly think a lot of fa/tg/uys died in 2020, like the initial drop in number of threads were startling.
Could have been, we do supposedly trend older for Anons...

>>96287892
>They probably took the vax.
More likely the literal blood curdling plague the vax was suppose to help fight...

>>96287880
>Have SOME self awareness, good grief...
I'm sorry I'm a misandrist via a childhood full of hilarious trauma...

>>96287891
>The only way to fix this place is with porn.
...But yeah.

>>96287938
>More likely the literal blood curdling plague the vax was suppose to help fight...
It had like a 99% surival rate even if you were an old fuck.
Come on now

>>96287815
BumpGOD is too powerful... He dominates /tg...

>>96287924
Purely coincidental

>shut up bumpfag
>shut up nogaems
>shut up wonderfag
>shut up and roll
This is what’s ruining the board

>>96285963 (OP)
>how would you fix it
Make it a non blue board.

>>96287944
And how did it kill people?
BLOOD CLOTS!
Blood clots fucking everywhere, especially IN THE LUNGS!
But no, it was DA {[(JABS!)]}

>>96287971
>Make it a non blue board.
...Acceptable.

Lower activity is a good thing, faster boards almost all have extremely low quality content.

>>96287981
The vax causes blood clots, that's why it's called the clot shot.

>>96287903
Because I like it, I masturbated several times with this.

>>96286939
>>96286953
I'm fairly confident most of them are/were IRC dramafags who specifically hounded for mod status to fuck up the board end enforce their vision of what /tg/ discussion should be. Every single discord troon I've known and every operator, has been a power hungry freak with revenge fantasies.

the planet is boiling to death and this is what you guys spend your time arguing about. its fucking 90 degrees in Wisconsin in fucking August. We had no snow until January and won't have any this year either.

>>96287998
>The vax causes blood clots
No dumbass, that's what made the virus so lethal.
Hell, the fact that Bill Gates pointed out that a respiratory virus could cause cardiopulmonary issues would be REALLY BAD just a few years beforehand is what convinced you the New World Order had whipped it up to cull your asses in the first place!

>>96288066
>Every single discord troon I've known and every operator, has been a power hungry freak with revenge fantasies.
Yes, and we all know how epidemic power hunger is to only one side of the spectrum...

>>96288075
I feel you Anon, but my Senator is only NOW standing up for Green Energy by ransoming Judicial appointments, so called "Grandfather of Wind Energy" my ass!

>>96288075
Most people have the mental capacity to be unhappy about more than one thing at a time.

>>96288085
NTA but no, i dont think thats right. Blood clots was a rare side effect specific to the early astra-zenica vaccine that only affected women in their 40s or so. It was real and there were warnings issued to avoid that specific shot if you were at risk, but the virus itself killed by damaging respiratory function. Respiratory issues are the leading cause of death in the west these days and COPD, emphysema and asthma are absolutely everywhere, so covid didnt have to work that hard to earn its 2% mortality rate

On a side note, being obese wasnt actually that strong of a risk factor

>>96285963 (OP)
It's not just us. The internet as a whole has changed. It just took us longer than all the forum sights that died over a decade ago.
Enjoy this place for what it is well you still can. It'll be gone one day.

>>96288115
>the virus itself killed by damaging respiratory function
I thought it did that by fucking with the capillaries in the alveoli?
Thus I assumed blood clotting.

>>96288005
>masturbating to cartoons
Looks like the first tranny has entered the chat

>>96288153
...Where do you think you are?

>>96288134
Hmm. Maybe? If it affects the blood vessels its odd that it only hits the lungs and if it affects the alveoli its unusual that the effect would be so indirect, but i have no idea if you're actually right or not and theres no reason it couldnt

>>96288085
>No dumbass, that's what made the virus so lethal.
They pulled J&J and AstraZenica because it was causing blood clots. There were also reports of abortions, myocarditis and super cancers because of it. But this is called misinformation by the government. Even if it did exist, none of them would admit it because many people were forced to take it.

>>96288165
>everyone here is like me.. r-right guys?

>>96288207
>If it affects the blood vessels its odd that it only hits the lungs
Well if I'm remembering correctly, it didn't only just affect the lungs, hence all the sudden cardiac arrest deaths supposedly caused by the vaccines, but fucking with the heart or lungs is a pretty surefire way to kill a person.

>>96288218
I'm not the Pedo Anon, I'm just saying this is 4chan and we've had people nut to Tile Patterns and the geology of Ohio.

Identity Politics and anons being unable to mentally mature past being 13

>>96288249
Why do you think we're here forever?

Nothing is going to change because we can't even agree on what the problem is in the first place.

>>96285963 (OP)
Public execution of all jannies

>>96288272
Eh, I think we can all agree that heavy handed moderation thinking they can direct Board Culture is one of the bigger problems.
Unless they turned the site into a Registration Only Web Forum, they lack any real power to enforce punishment, so the best they can do is curate what stays up on the official site.

That's why going full NSFW Red Board might be a good move, since I don't think /trash/ has that many Moderation problems and provides a venue that really isn't available anywhere else.

>>96288153
>>96288218
Redditor,go back.

Dead internet theory is real and this place is no exception

>>96288326
Dead internet theory is reddit nonsense

Is that.... a NON GENERAL THREAD? AHHHH JANNIEMAN SAVE ME!!!

>>96286087
Bingo, and /thread

>>96288272
Everything everyone is complaining about has one source, and that's apathetic jannies who only exercise their power to protect their pet threads or stomp on people complaining about them. They want this website to be shit and borderline unusable.

>>96288578
I doubt their that purposely malicious; If they drove everyone away, then they'd hold power over no one.
Likely they want to force Board Culture to adhere to their own expectations while not realizing they themselves might be working towards opposing ends.

>>96288578
>They want this website to be shit and borderline unusable.
I'll post this again for anyone who missed it.
>They want this website to be shit and borderline unusable.
Posting here about a game you play can get you SWAT'ed, particularly if you try playing something besides D&D, as that'll give "people" more context clues to work with. Just because it was a few years ago, doesn't mean we've forgotten.

>>96285963 (OP)
The moderators allowing faggots to run wild over the board, while actively banning people for pointing out that they fucking suck at their jobs.

>>96287822
A lot of the true fa/tg/uys ditched this place in 2014, and then another wave in 2016, where they went to and formed a better /tg/, which was then killed when the owner of the other imageboard decided he'd rather pander to Qanon boomers.

>>96288671
>Posting here about a game you play can get you SWAT'ed,
Uh, I know the Internet can be bad, but I think you might have done something more than play something other than D&D...

>>96287970
Wrong.
>>96288676
There is a revitval with a BO who responds but the place is empty because people can't let go of this place no matter how bad it gets.

>>96288685
He's talking about doxxing and calling in a fake bomb threat by using contextual clues.
Example:
>anon posts a model he enjoyed painting for 40k in /40kg/
>internet sleuths reverse image search, find out this anon has posted this model on his facebook and reddit
>now they have his name, state, city, hobby interests, closest relationships and which restaurants he likes to visit

>>96285963 (OP)
>how would you fix it?
Appreciate the good posts more. What was a recent post you liked, Anons?
I found picrel to be interesting to realize that the process of joining a new hobby can be done with more intentionality by interacting with more experienced anons who have better taste.

>>96286988
Those threads are fucking abandoned because of the spam making people who have somehting worthwile to contribute leave for better places.
Even GW leakers mostly stoped coming here and leak on other sites instead

>>96288753
Yup, that was a good set of posts that actually saved a thread imo. But the thread itself was setup to fail. I can only draw so I mostly post in art related threads

>>96288753
>>96288788
This is retarded cancer, and you are retarded cancer.

>>96288801
No, you. It actually sparked a conversation unlike the thread OP who bailed.

>>96285963 (OP)
people screaming in /40kg/ that had the most traffic of a leading game
>post your MODELS
(let me get a footprint of who you are so I can bother you every time you post them)
>nomodels scum(add any slur here)
Bashing people that are even interested in 40k, to shoo them away.
>post your hands
90% of the world is nonwhite, and this website can be spoken in every language BEFORE moot sold it
>you're a schizo/slopper/decal
Label someone something so the tone is set. Trolling outside of /b/ is prohibited by warning.

How would I fix it? Bring back
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
to enforce the rules and show people what isn't allowed

If you want the rolling /40kg/ threads to roll and contain the people properly, I would save /40kg/ from these:
>GET OUT OF MY THREAD, ITS POPULAR SO IT'S MINE NOW
(thread slowly dies, and goes half an hour between posts)
Used to never be like that. Eventually we're going to find a place that will sate our questions and anonymous posting. We usually keep to that thread or leave /tg/, so don't claim its
>Your containment thread

I have noticed the typing pattern of two bullies there, they go to /k/ where I frequent more than here. They are all over /k/ with their patterns and ticks. Imagine chuds from /k/ pushing your /tg/ painters off the website? Because they target those guys the most. Post your models and be bullied.

>>96288685
Yes and no, was early Sept 2021...
>>96288734
We were a little more savy than that, not that it mattered.

>>96288811
Oh hey you're the fag who got bullied out of /40kg/ and was screaming that people wanted to dox you in it.

>>96288810
This is painful to see, because I don't actually know if you're a troll or just genuinely too stupid to understand how bad those posts are, and the latter makes me sad because those are the kind of posts that really ruin very stupid and impressionable people. Still, it'd be better that you're just very dumb and not a troll.

>>96288835
So fucking what if I'm a dumb retard participating in retard conversation? Just don't participate. Simple. Unless you're the type of a fella who can't put the ball down...

>>96288646
>I doubt their that purposely malicious;
You're being way too generous. They can and do abuse their power frequently. RapeApe more-or-less lets them do whatever the fuck they want. If they want to just sit in a general and ban anyone who disagrees with them, they can. And they do.

The hack revealed Reddit moderators among them. That should tell you everything you need to know.

>>96288850
99% of this board are reddit users, that's no surprise

>>96288850
Oh, and here's the real fucking kicker. There is zero communication between you and them. Zero accountability on their part too. They're anonymous just like you and don't have to answer to anyone. If you make a complaint about a janny here, the janny will ban you for daring to interrupt his ERP session in his pet /vg/ general.

>>96285963 (OP)
I saw this thread when it had 100~ replies and had to think about it.

I think it's dead because most of our better posters found or made different communities (over discord, IRC, skype at one time, even steam groups) that they were able to whittle and shape into a more desirable home than /tg/.

I've been through a number of them, and they are often much better places to find discussion than /tg/, and as a bonus there's sometimes even games to join. Sadly they're not nearly as active as /tg/ once was, but if you're not old and atypically thick skinned like I am, I can see why many would experience a place like those, and then find themselves posting here less and less. Which gets all the more enticing as the board slows down.

Now I may just be a doomer, but I don't see how this can be undone if I'm right. Nobody is going to leave the chatrooms they've gotten used to until they die from lack of activity, get caught up in a purge, or they become disillusioned. And even then they're more likely to just try and stick with other users they became friends with.

If I was asked to solve it, I wouldn't. But if I had to try my best, I'd institute poster IDs, rangeban everywhere that isn't Australia, Canada, America, and Europe, and heavily crack down on political sperging while being hands off otherwise.

>>96288811
I don't know what the fuck you're babbling about but you're obviously retarded. The various 40k and MTG generals are the only threads on the board that are fast enough to consistently hit bump limit in less than a day, so if your argument is that /tg/ is slow because they're chasing people out of those threads then you're just flat-out wrong.

>>96288876
>most of our better posters found or made different communities (over discord, IRC, skype at one time, even steam groups) that they were able to whittle and shape into a more desirable home than /tg/.

Being able to curate your own community is what's sorely lacking here. If there is a complete fucking retard who can only talk about ways to incorporate shit eating into your settings, there is nothing anyone can do to remove him permanently from this board. If he's determined enough, he'll outlast any attempt to get rid of him.

In the discord server, if the gay retarded scat schizo wants to talk about characters eating shit there, he gets kicked out.

>>96288753
It was from some thread where a guy was asking some question about if healing magic was commonplace. As a shitpost I asked what if disease magic was commonplace. And some guy gave an actual good worldbuilding reply before telling me to fuck off for shitposting. He might never realize it. But I appreciate his answer, as I am currently using it as an inspiration for my current campaign setting I'm working on.

>>96288901
It's not really a matter of lacking imo. It's a feature of the board. Yeah, you can't curate who you talk to, but given time the places that allow that turn into cliques and hugboxes for the mentally ill.

I see your point tho, the drawbacks become more and more apparent as the general population of the internet worsens.
Remember: 700 Million Indians don't have internet access, and that number drops by 50 mil a year.

>>96288901
>In the discord server, if the gay retarded scat schizo wants to talk about characters eating shit there, he gets kicked out.
Sometimes he becomes the addy and you're the one who gets kicked out instead.

>>96288915
>but given time the places that allow that turn into cliques and hugboxes for the mentally ill.
The issue is, like you said, the modern internet is different. 4chan worked as a concept when you didn't have mentally retarded third worlders with peculiar obsessions ritualposting all day every day.

>>96288919
It's true it can pan out either way, but at least I have the option to go form a new community or choose who I talk to. What recourse do I have against ritualposting schizos on here? Begging the jannies to do something about it? Making another metathread, only for janny to delete it?

>>96288937
>4chan worked as a concept when you didn't have mentally retarded third worlders with peculiar obsessions ritualposting all day every day.
I think it did, but jannies/mods actually wanted to improve the place, not actively shit it up. It's sad that newer, emptier chans have a completely different culture and much more communicative people on top than this place, yet this place is the most popular

>>96285963 (OP)
FUCKING

GENERALS

also splitting off /qst/ because oooooohhhh nooooooo 5% of the active threads are quests that leaves less room for generals! We can't have fewer than eighty different generals on the board! Generals generals generals generals generals!

Fucking redditors and their fucking generals. Go back to your subreddits and stay there.

>>96288734
Yeah I know how it CAN happen, I'm just questioning why'd they go to the trouble.

>>96288822
...Because yeah, while I know the Internet has it's hyperdicks, that's still a bit extreme.

>>96288811
>(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
>to enforce the rules and show people what isn't allowed
That really isn't going to work, we've got /bans and that's still as clear as mud on rule enforcement.

>>96288850
>>96288864
Oh believe me, I know how badly they abuse their Mod powers first hand, it's how I know how worthless them having such power actually is.

>>96288901
>Being able to curate your own community is what's sorely lacking here.
And this is just it; They're each individually trying to force the community to adhere to THEIR IDEAL of /tg/, but that won't work in this day and age...

Case in point, reason I have to split my post is the system is now set to flag any post with more than 5 links as spam, a feature I'm fairly certain was specifically implemented here to discourage my style of multi-replies.

>>96288876
>I'd institute poster IDs
...Because if you institute IDs and remove the anonymity, it becomes every other forum or Discord Server, and those formats do that job WAY better.

>rangeban everywhere that isn't Australia, Canada, America, and Europe
...Why the fuck is Australia on that exception list?

>>96288937
>you didn't have mentally retarded third worlders with peculiar obsessions ritualposting all day every day
You think that's only endemic to the third world?!

>>96288950
>Fucking redditors and their fucking generals.
Dumbass, we'd end up having Generals anyways!

>>96289015
No. Generals are created by and for cancerous reddit expats who couldn't adapt to a chan board's faster, ephemeral posting style so they try to recreate the subreddit pits they crawled out of and should fuck off back to.

>>96289056
"Should we concentrate all of our Warhammer post into a Warhammer thread?"
"WHY, YOU WANT TO TALK WITH OTHER ANONS ABOUT WARHAMMER?!"

>>96289015
>...Because if you institute IDs and remove the anonymity, it becomes every other forum or Discord Server, and those formats do that job WAY better.
What are you talking about? That's not how poster IDs work. Your ID is thread specific. The only anonymity you lose is just for that thread. You post in another thread and it gives you a new ID. That is nothing like giving Discord your email, your phone number and your driver's license.

>>96288937
True points. There isn't any real fix to be had, really. Even becoming a janny wouldn't help solve the issue, because it seems being a mentally ill nolife is a requirement for becoming one.

Personally I just keep a group of people I like and flit from place to place without getting too attached. Servers live and die, we still get the occasional good thread or discussion inbetween all the bad ones, and I've come to take joy in enraging shitposters.

>>96289015
IDs don't remove anonymity, they just make it difficult to samefag.
>...Why the fuck is Australia on that exception list?
I was going to defend them as still being first world but after thinking about how shittified they've gotten, nah fuck 'em you're right.

>>96289065
>Your ID is thread specific.
Alright, but I feel that would infringe just a bit too much upon anonymity while being easily spoofed.

>>96289073
>I was going to defend them as still being first world
What makes you think being "first world" would make the floor any higher?
Dumbasses be dumbasses regardless of creed or country.

>>96289096
Statistics.

>>96289096
>Alright, but I feel that would infringe just a bit too much upon anonymity while being easily spoofed.
How does it infringe too much? Given what we've seen from frequent samefagging schizos, how is having multiple posts tied to a single poster a bad thing? As for spoofing, you see a bunch of different one post IDs trying to shitpost, it's obviously some dickhead IP hopping.

The only reason I can see for someone not wanting IDs is because they want to frictionlessly shitpost and samefag.

>>96289102
Don't bother, you're talking to a thirdie.

>>96289098
You want to back that up with lies and damned lies?

>>96289102
>The only reason I can see for someone not wanting IDs is because they want to frictionlessly shitpost and samefag.
I mean, what's wrong with that?
Not big on samefagging myself, but I'm oft to have an opinion somebody doesn't agree with, and IDs are therefore going to color every other post I make in that thread.

>>96289111
>Fucking Costal Elite thinks Iowa might as well be the Third World

>>96289136
>I mean, what's wrong with that?
Abhorrent posters with no accountability is half the reason why this website is a dumpster fire. Samefags are not good posters and no thread has improved with samefagging.

>but I'm oft to have an opinion somebody doesn't agree with, and IDs are therefore going to color every other post I make in that thread.
Even then, you're only accountable for those opinions as far as that thread goes. That's not much friction for you. Soon as the thread dies, you're good to go.

>>96286623
IDs and flags ruin every board even harder

>>96289194
>Even then, you're only accountable for those opinions as far as that thread goes. That's not much friction for you. Soon as the thread dies, you're good to go.
You say that, and then we've got conspiratorial schizo compiling screen shot collections to vomit out whenever they catch a whiff of a poster they have a grudge against.
While outright doxxing over this petty shit seems like a bridge too far for me, I know damned well that mud will be flung; You can find examples in this very thread!

>>96289136
>IDs are therefore going to color every other post I make in that thread.
Yeah it'll turn the board into reddit where you can no longer have an opinion on anything because you said something people didn't like somewhere

>>96289254
>Yeah it'll turn the board into reddit where you can no longer have an opinion on anything because you said something people didn't like somewhere
I mean yeah, that's exactly it!
One of the reasons I tend to gravitate away from (other?) Social Media is that, as an Autist, I'm rather lacking in natural filters, and that's BEFORE getting into spicier shit like Smut Posting.
I've even had an asshole try to drag my dirty laundry out elsewhere trying to shame me into silence, not realizing my father killed most of my ability to feel shame.
Now imagine the kind of hold that would have on someone who could be cowed into compliance, AKA someone with even an Iota of a social life.

>>96289306
That's not how ID's work, stop being delibrately retarded.

>>96289250
>You say that, and then we've got conspiratorial schizo compiling screen shot collections to vomit out whenever they catch a whiff of a poster they have a grudge against.
Correlating you by your opinions has nothing to do with poster IDs. Again, your ID is only specific to that thread. If you're frequently posting the same opinions over and over again, that's not an ID problem, that's a personal OPSEC problem.

>>96289388
It's bad enough they work like that in one thread on a slow board
>post a controversial opinion in a general thread
>uh oh stinky better not post anything for the next two weeks!

>>96285963 (OP)
Since 2018 I started mistake /tg/ for /v/ and /co/ and right now it's indistinguishable from them.
All the people with good vocabulary left somewhere around 2016.

>>96285963 (OP)
It's all 4chan that is like this, and it's chuds an fascists that damaged it irreparably.

>>96286594
In the generals I can actually discuss the games I play; why would I interact with the "rest of the board"?
To see a 10-year-old bait topic like "guns in fantasy", "women's armour", "what is magic"?
To see retards who never played anything but D&D3.5 argue about casters vs martials?
Puckee's commissioned picture posted for the 200th time?
To read some tweet/reddit post about the culture war?
Answer bumpfag's incessant inane questions about magic systems?

>>96289501
None of those are bait topics
What has killed the board is hostility towards any and all topics posted outright general threads - it's like posting on P*ndit's circlejerk forum now

>>96289515
Outside* I fell victim to phoneposting and my hangover there

>>96289515
We're hostile because its spam

>>96289651
Doesn't matter. Treating starting threads as fundamentally dishonest kills all discussion. I don't care if the good necromancer/elf slave/firearms in fantasy thread has been posted over and over for 15 years, they're threads to discuss concepts in all the same

>>96289515
It's literally spam meant to produce fake traffic and induce hate in the current community.

>>96289750
If it's at least /tg/ adjacent it's not fake traffic
Go to /k/ and /v/ and you'll know the true nature of spam

>>96286101
4chan got too popular and started being able to affect political systems, making it a target for the deep state. Simply shutting it down would create too many questions, so a slow strangulation is being applied.

>>96289967
I weep for what the holo's have done to my /k/

>>96285963 (OP)
what killed it?! maybe the constant 1000 threads about warhammer or magic the gathering

>>96287903
filthy newfag

ok stop the thread I've found the problem >>96288218

>>96288876
>I think it's dead because most of our better posters found or made different communities (over discord, IRC, skype at one time, even steam groups) that they were able to whittle and shape into a more desirable home than /tg/.
None of those communities allow porn either. There were massive forums around already before blue board enforcement a million years ago ... but they didn't have porn and they still don't have porn.

On topic porn and associated horny shit made /tg/ special and helped keep most of the moderation beggers away.

>>96289388
>>96289406
Yeah, like >>96289410 said, if it can be used for mud slinging, petty drama whores are going to use it.

>>96289661
>I don't care if the good necromancer/elf slave/firearms in fantasy thread has been posted over and over for 15 years, they're threads to discuss concepts in all the same
Indeed, it's why the Anti-general fags don't understand what their talking about; We are going to repeat ourselves in this hobby!
It's often a product of on-boarding newbies, but you have to remember 50 some percent of modern D&D is still derivative of Tolkien.
We are still creatures of habit and there is nothing wrong with that.

>>96291189
>On topic porn and associated horny shit made /tg/ special and helped keep most of the moderation beggers away.
Yeah, I've always held that horny is one of the most effective muses.
Most people get into art to actualize their fetishes, and pretty much every great visual artist has to familiarize themselves with anatomy anyways.
From Tarantino to Roddenberry to Tezuka, usually it turns out they were a horny old bastard in one form or another.

>>96289004
>I'm just questioning why'd they go to the trouble.
Insular weirdos like to play power games with others because they have no real power over their own lives.
If there's a tranny living in their parent's basement, filled with resentment from an unfulfilled life, and someone calls them a faggot for saying something obnoxious, that can be the trigger for them to start acting out.

>>96291458
I mean being one of those insular weirdos myself I can understand, but it might be my chronic depression that has me save that kind of ire for someone who has far more gravely offended me personally.
Like, one of the reasons I prefer 4chan's anonymity is that it helps prevent me from forming such pathological obsessions.

>>96285963 (OP)
Kill puckee, literarylord, that troll who just shows up to say 'you're wrong, idiot' no matter the topic, whoever makes all those vapid threads like that 'orc just groped your character, what do' thread that's in the catalog right now, the anti-ACKS literal Redditor, and probably a number of others I'm forgetting right now.

>>96285963 (OP)
>>96291641
Oh right, and the mods and jannies who protect (or perhaps are) all of the above. They would have to die, too.

>>96291606
4chan isn't really anonymous. All it does is reduce your attack profile by removing easily identifiable shit, e.g usernames and emails. People still could find out who you are by examining your writing style and/or scouring the archives for the images you post.
Calling someone a faggot isn't really that big of a deal. The problem is with narcissists who treat 4chan as srs bsns without any egos attached. This is literally why 4chan went to shit in the late 00's and has only gotten worse.
Problem being, as with most online communities, the interaction between sociopathic narcissists and socially awkward weirdos eventually leads the former to lead their respective groups without any resistance from the latter. This is why trannies get into mod positions so often; they have no real pushback from the community. /tg/ was a victim of this until the mask slipped.
I'm not gonna be a fag and say all trannies are predatory weirdos, but it's a constant thing that keeps happening.

>>96291857
>The problem is with narcissists who treat 4chan as srs bsns without any egos attached
/co/ the biggest example of that shit.

Alright fuckers, 2010 era oldfag here and I've recently come back wondering the same thing. I think I see the issue though, and it's not just for /tg/. Simply put, 4chan has a lot of fundamental issues:
>People growing up
As someone who started posting as a kid, I probably wouldn't be here if I was over 30 like most people posting back in 2014 are well over now. Most of the real oldfags are gone or have turned sour and spiteful and aren't being replaced by tender zoomers who are more interested in whining about trannies every. single. thread. than playing any of the games or posting OC
>lack of OC
I remember Walmart Apocalypse. In fact, it was the very first tabletop game I played with my friends as a kid. All thanks to /tg/'s at the time thriving community of homebrewers, artists, and writers. While that's not totally dead, there is definitely much less of it and much more whining.
The biggest issue though is the posting being worse than reddit now though. For this single post alone the process has been
>429
>429
>our system thinks this post is spam
>change IP
>429
>please buy a pass
>please fill out your email so we can give it to basedniggers
>our system thinks this post is spam

>>96291857
Select 3 posts you think are the same anon not from this chain.

>>96292053
>sample size of three posts
I'm not that good anon, come off it.

>>96292053
See he can give you three posts he THINKS is the same anon, and that's basically just as good!

>>96285963 (OP)
Add IDs to all boards.
Get rid of namefagging.
Get rid of names for tripcodes.
Range ban Canada.

>>96292565
>People still could find out who you are by examining your writing style and/or scouring the archives for the images you post.
Put up or shut up.

>>96287612
NTA but I got hit with 900 second timers on desktop. Shit was anal as fuck. Kinda glad the site had a reset because it hasn't happened since.

>>96292929
can we also Ohio?

>>96291857
>4chan isn't really anonymous. All it does is reduce your attack profile by removing easily identifiable shit, e.g usernames and emails. People still could find out who you are by examining your writing style and/or scouring the archives for the images you post.
>>96292053
>>96292565
Yeah, that's the problem with IDs, they're just going to give those types of shitheads proof to work with, not exactly worth the cost of fighting astroturfing in my opinion.

And just because you other Transexuals/APGs doesn't mean they're the only sociopathic narcissists on here.
We've got the worst of the whole god damn political continuum trying to claim /tg/ for their culture war.

It's why we should be pushing for LESS power for Moderation, not more that they're going to abuse for their own stupid reasons.

>>96293362
>Yeah, that's the problem with IDs, they're just going to give those types of shitheads proof to work with, not exactly worth the cost of fighting astroturfing in my opinion.
I think that you want to avoid IDs because you enjoy making terrible posts and are too much of a coward to endure backlash that lasts longer than a single post.

>>96285963 (OP)
Everyone who loved posting was either put off by the constant quest threads or joined them and then was exiled to the quest board.

>>96293833
Nobody gives a shit what you think.

>>96293916
funny how the board went to shit exactly when quests were banned

>>96293942
It caused the board to suddenly slow down a bunch, which was normally fast enough to bump troll posts to the bottom of the catalog.

>>96293929
>Instantly defensive
So I'm right about you.

>>96293986
>everyone who disagrees with me is bad
You can go back to R*ddit at any time, nothing's stopping you.

>>96293833
Partially yes, but are you really going to like wannabe jannies having even more ammo to be board policing shits?

>>96293986
Believe me or not that was a different Anon, I'm personally more worried about IDs being used to cow incoming posters who'd otherwise be free to make mistakes without consequence.
Not like we have a shortage of schitzos pointing at boogymen real or imagined without IDs.

>>96294024
>shortage of schitzos pointing at boogymen real or imagined
It depend as some anon will samefag a whole thread.

>>96294041
While yeah, that kind of astroturfing isn't great, is it worth giving shitheads like in >>96291912 screencap a whiff of legitimacy to their witch hunting to combat?
I mean I've already got schitzo posters asserting I support the Rwandan genocide because it had some tenuous connection to feminism, worst was when somebody insisted I was defending FATAL!

>>96294143
But, even on /tg/, there actually are known personalities that post endless trash. There aren't that many regular posters on /tg/, especially if you only count people who post outside of generals, and some are exceptionally easy to identify. Thread IDs would make ignoring them much easier.

>>96294195
But do they always post trash, or do you just have a conformation bias from only noticing their trash post?
I thought one of the good things about 4chan Anonymity was that you could be dunking on someone's shit taste in one post and approving of their well thought out argument in the next?

>>96286112
Why are you opposed to people discussing traditional games on the traditional games board?

>>96294244
If we had IDs, I would be able to see whether puckee or literarylord ever made good posts. Alas.

>I thought one of the good things about 4chan Anonymity was that you could be dunking on someone's shit taste in one post and approving of their well thought out argument in the next?
It's not like thread IDs would prevent that.

on the jap boards the mods can reveal the IP of your posts if you're a prolific shitposter

>>96286173
generals are good eat shit

>>96286444
No.

>>96286373
all those threads are good stay mad

>>96286497
You didn't know /tg/ existed until 2018, zoomer.

>>96286516
Dragons aren't traditional games. If you aren't discussing a specific game you're running or playing in, you aren't allowed to post.