Command Squad edition
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>Thread Question:Expectations for the Saturnine Command Squad?
Rolled 6, 3 = 9 (2d6)
No posting allowed until you make your cool check.
>>96286250you have failed. Your idea is gay and so are you.
>>96286216 (OP)Saturnine command squad terminators actually won't be allowed to have saturnine war axes despite it having been repeatedly shown in promotion material.
Rolled 4, 5 = 9 (2d6)
>>96286250Bet I'm more cool than you
Rolled 6, 1 = 7 (2d6)
>>96286250>>96286261Buy some chaplains, nerds
Rolled 6, 6 = 12 (2d6)
>>96286250Witness my coolness
Rolled 2, 5 = 7 (2d6)
>>96286261>>96286250I pity you two uncool people.
>>96286294Well shit, guess I'm waiting for next thread
Trying to make a cool conversion is now trolling. Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair.
>>96286216 (OP)So what is the lore reason for these round shoulder boys to not be in 40k?
did they all extinct?
>>96286307They are in 40k :^)
So is this is? The hype train has left the station and we are left behind to wither and die?
>>96286307>So what is the lore reason for these round shoulder boys to not be in 40k?They were just invented for 30k, so give it some time.
>>96286216 (OP)>me looking all over the OP image >just a normal pic
>>96286318I have a game tomorrow. Not everyone is obsessing on tg.
Is it pretty easy to list build while avoiding resin kits? It seems Iโd be missing out on a lot of bespoke Legion kits, but Iโve got plenty of transfers at the very least.
>>96286347you can avoid resin, but unless you want to do conversions then the game is extremely BORING
>>96286347Why? Resin has the most soul bits.
>>96286351If you want to avoid doing conversions then you belong in 40k not here.
>>96286333sorry for your loss
Prototype saturnine chosen. No damn idea where to put the particle shredder, can't fit it under the arm.
>>96286311Tau be like:
>By the Greater Good! Let's try to negotiate with this bloke
When do the new breachers come out? I need to make them into Medusan Immortals.
Been offered a BNIB Spartan for ยฃ55
Worth it? I have 3 kids and live near a council estate
How fast is a Saturnine Terminator? Why are they armed with melee weapons if you could just slowly walk backwards and stay out of weapons range?
>>96286347Very easy, and becoming more easy over time as GW continues updating models in plastic. With a little converting and kitbashing there's even more possible.
>>96286318the hype train never left the station in the first place. The 90% with working brains knew the game was dead 3-4 weeks before it even released thanks to leakeranon. We were sitting at home sipping mai tais, laughing at the train wreck while a few retarded people were on the train going "I'm sure the rumors have to be wrong, I'm sure the rulebook leaks which are bad are just missing the full details and it can't really be this bad, I'm sure they saved the great stuff for the libers which will redeem this edition, I'm sure the libers are crap but the legacy will redeem everything, I'm sure the game sucks now but surely journals cost $25 each for a few pages they'll have to have great stuff in them that fixes my legion"
The upside is HH3 is so terrible that it won't snuff out the HH1 or HH2 communities which can now play without needing to buy $400 more of outdated paper rulebooks with trash in them. You're free from the GW churn, just reject HH3 and HH4.
>>96286404I like 3.0 though.
>>96286305But what is it? What does the model represent?
>>96286381M5
>>96286448It's a terminator with a plasma cannon
>>96286448So they're slow as shit. You could honestly just outpace them and shoot them without fear of their melee weapons irl
>>96286361between the shoulders like the old art. Remember praetors can't take shredders though, only blater
>>96285819Thanks anon. I don't know where you guys are placing your Moritats now that they aren't Bitter Duty? And where did you put them in 2.0?
>>96286558>I'm trying to approach the traitor's position unnoticed, but the clap of my ass cheeks keeps alerting them to my presence
>>96286558>where did you put them in 2.0Storage
>>96286361>>96286546I think it's best to wait for the next Sloptica to leak, I have a suspicion that the centurion won't get the axe or hammer and command squads can't take the big guns.
>>96286404>The upside is HH3 is so terrible that it won't snuff out the HH1 or HH2 communities which can now play without needing to buy $400 more of outdated paper rulebooks with trash in themThis. Lost and won both. Defeat has redeemed us.
>>96286539That's why transport vehicles exist. Otherwise no one ever would have been using cataphractii either.
>>96286546>praetors can't take shredders though, only blaterI thought I was imagining things. This is the gaslight edition.
Also, isn't Saturnine's conditional Fire Protocols 2 a tad schizo? If you have 2 barrage plasma cannons, will you really move?
>>96286618Just fix deepstrikes and let terminators get it omg
>>96286546Not feeling it, to be honest. Looks strange.
It's not a praetor though. Just a command squad guy.
>>96286629It's so that you can't walk and shoot. For some reason.
>>96286640Blaster looks better. That said, do we even know what the command squad rules are? Might be an illegal loadout
>>96286629>schizoYes. Should always allow both as snap shots on the move.
>>96286636>fix deepstrikes1e+charges, done.
>let terminators get it omgNo. You have a warmonger.
>>96286640Could you post pics from other angles? It kinda looks like he's falling over from this angle
>>96286648>do we even know what the command squad rules are? Might be an illegal loadoutIt's literally the OP pic. 1 Poleaem plus gauntlet gun and a Banner.
>>96286655if that's the case, then it's going to be hilarious when the command squad guys are more effective than the praetor
>>96286649>Go back to 1st edition deep strikes >but not the mass deep strikes that edition allowed, no, we only play hero hammer deep strikes here KYS
>>96286660Praetor doesn't get a shredder because its not in his box, but his WS is better. He's over costed though. Too bad warmonger cant DS saturnines.
>>96286600Going by the OP pic the Command Squad gets the only worthwhile Saturnine gun, the particle shredder.
>>96286676Just give them the prime buff. Besides, three satties fit neatly inside a LR
>>96286640Sculpt and oversized handle and put it on his thigh like a holstered pistol
Or maybe try putting on the back of the gun?
>>96286673>but not the mass deep strikes that edition allowed, no, we only play hero hammer deep strikes hereTermis weren't the only thing deepstriking, Anon. This brings back drop pod assault, termite whatever, and anything with a pack. Terminators not having deepstrike is normal.
>>96286684You mean +1WS and attacks to the champ?
>>96286653Sure, I guess.
>>96286648>Blaster looks better.Debatable. I think it looks worse, since it fits even less between the pauldrons.
>>96286649You go get a Warmonger. Let terminators buy deepstrike for some 50 pts per unit or something.
Warmongers shall then grant their buggy deepstrike to units without natural deepstrike, and idk force charges to always be Ordered
Rolled 6, 4 = 10 (2d6)
>>96286250Thinking about using some grey knights models for conversions.
>>96286784Totally not cool bro
Rolled 4, 1 = 5 (2d6)
>>96286250Hmm, I don't know.
Post models/WIPs
WIP TS jetbike character of some sort. My fingers are caked in glue but greenstuff made it easier.
>>96286842>riding a fast bike>wear a sailNothing could possibly go wrong, because Magnus did never did anything wrong.
>>96286890Imagine if I used a rubric head? At least this is curved ha
>>96286890I had legitimately forgotten how unappealing the old Eldar jetbikes were. Thank you for reminding me.
>>96286931I, for one, miss the space chippers and leather jackets. Now all Eldar bikes are the same with slightly different cowling and wings.
The lack of jumppack on the magos and techpriests really hampers what I can attach them to. It makes list building for the faction a real pain as I have take unit with the sole purpose of being meat shields for my characters I didn't even want to take in the first place.
In the end even after taking 'the heart of power' detachment to have more retinue units I still had three out of my four troop priests walking alone using my vehicles as a LOS shield.
Played a game with my admech today the Lion soloed about a third of my army and my karaknos was largely worthless like last edition.
>>96286964I know this is crazy, but have you considered putting your magi in units of automata? You know, castelax and shit?
>>96286964The fuck kind of mechanicum list are you playing
was the kratos garbage in HH 1-2? (ignoring the whole "dreadnoughts were undercosted" thing - we'll probably house-rule to nerf dreads)
>>96287067Wasnt in HH1, was dogshit in HH2
>>96287067Didn't exist in 1e and all vehicles sucked in 2.0 because lascannons were OP and ubiquitous
>>96287067Kratos was non-existent in HH1
>>96287045Apparently a really bad one
>>96287067It wasn't that terrible. Deffinitely more survivable than most other tanks, but it was stupid expensive for the damage output it had since the flare shield was kinda mandatory
>night lords players
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>iron warrior players
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>thousand sons players
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>emperor's children players
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>alpha legion players
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>ultramarines players
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>mechanicum players
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>>96286964Cry me a river. Oh no you can't chuck pretty plainly the most efficient combat character into your comically undercosted jump pack special / heavy weapons dudes. What ever shall you do?
Should Russ have his spear on tabletop as an option?
>Reviewing Solar Aux with my friend who wants to get into 30k
>Seeing how good their vehicles are compared to Marines
It's not fair...
>>96287169Look at their only line units and it makes sense
I got a cheap spartan painted pretty well in Imp Fist colors. I think I may be lazy and just paint black stripes over top for the rt salamanders scheme. Though I guess that would mean I should also paint my termies in that scheme.
>>96287176Their infantry are all very good? Line sections are incredibly cost effective objective grabbers, veletaris punch well above their weight and charonites are terminator butchers
>>96287162No he should knot.
>>96287087>>96287088>>96287090>>96287120thanks, I'll skip grabbing it then, it's kinda a ripoff like 2 points per dollar anyway. I'll wait for a friend to get an abs printer eventually.
Allies seem cool this edition. Whats a better choice, a bunch of cheap CC/line holding aux, or some efrit to mess people up? An AL kill team might be cool to make but might also be a bit cheesy idk.
>>96287183You could just say that the tank was mothballed in that scheme and pressed into service rapidly because of the Big Prank at Isstvan.
>>96287221What are your current armies?
Looking at the Legends PDF and I was looking at Vet Breachers, just what do Lascutters actually look like? I vaguely remember Forge World did some back when they existed. Was that the only time GW did a model of them?
>>96286307are you blind or just stupid
Feels like his head should be set back and in a little bit more
>>96287195Their line units lose to every other line unit in the game, and require a command to get above Line (1)
With how many ways there are to put stasuses out there in 3.0, line sections start being at risk of non-scoring after losing 3 T3 1w guys, and are one of the few units that vanguard (x) can reliably wipe out at ranged for VP.
>>96286353remember benzene? it's BACK!
How important are base sizes in HH? Aside from Praetors, most power armour characters are still just on 32mm bases, right?
>>96287267>Their line units lose to every other line unit in the gameAt 5ppm they fucking should.
>>96287273They're weird; they're 5ppm for the first 10, then 4ppm after.
>>96287273The point is more that vehicles don't interact with objectives at all, which means even with a strong armored core the SA will always have to be covering for their infantry in order to score.
One of the low key useful things about saturnine terms/dreads are their barrage AP4 plasma, simply because they'll melt line sections on objectives (and tech thralls with a tech priest)
>>96287276A significant portion of units in the game have some flat cost to them beyond their ppm, to disincentivize running all msu.
>>96287270And praetors would be too if gw designers weren't retarred
There's not many aura abilities. It makes a bit of a difference when disembarking a transport but not that much
>>96287291That makes sense, I never thought about it that way.
>>96286890I heard Khaine's parents are Slaanesh and Khorne, hence it's got traits common to both. Eldar are grandchildren of the gods, and Slaanesh was born of them, but time is a closed loop in the warp so it's not a problem that he was/will be born out of the people made by his own progeny. The ones' whose future death shall be his own birth, long ago.
It's an atemporal mess like how Samus was born of the death of he who killed him before
>>96287264different technological devolpment, The centurion STC was discovered in m.36 (iirc), saturnine was early great crusade then refined by vulkan as apart of the tactical dreadnought devolpment
>>96287307>The centurion STC was discovered in m.36So was the predator annihilator but here we are
>>96287310really, do you have a quote for that?
I really cannot believe you guys are using Spartans with ten or so elite hammer termies plus character. That's like a thousand points in a single spot. It reads like one of those american tales of texans driving an hour for a hamburger the next town over or something. An exaggeration.
Just what else is the rest of the 3k list if 1000 pts of it is one deathstar? 2 more deathstars? LMAO
>>96287264Bro, I got bad news...
>>96287345>I really cannot believe you guys are using Spartans with ten or so elite hammer termies plus character.Who said I was?
>>96287225Feels like a backwards justification in a bad way. Termies would lend creadence to the idea, and I planned on doing all rt salamanders at the beginning before deciding I didn't want to paint that much yellow. But just termies shouldn't be bad.
>>96287310Hey, that very story ends with the techpriests concluding Predators were probably modular and designed from the very beginning to take those modifications
was the stormbolter developed during the great crusade or was it Unification?
>>96287045About 4 priest 3 magos of different flavors. Most of list was fast moving stuff m>9 kinds things and vehicles.
I don't like putting priests in my thallax or vorax squads because of how much it slows them down
>>96287119Definitely felt bad
>>96287317Not at hand but in past lore annihilators were invented by space wolve well after the scouring
Didn't stop them from making that an option when they made the plastic deimos
how does the lion get more than one combat phase against a karacnos? doesnt he spend half the game pinned vs ld7
>>96287264come to think of it
a saturnine with heavy bolter arms would look cool as fuck
or one with centurion arms with the attached heavy weapons
4 squads of 20 Lasrifle boys and 2 Line section commanders is is 530 points.
Think that's too much for an allied detachment with the job of being some Line fodder?
>>96287345You can fit quite a bit in 2k points. I'm not saying the 1k deathstar is optimal, but it's also not hilariously non-viable unless your oponent is playing some WAAC cheese build (cough cough thousand sons).
>>96287218Its the best its been in 3e. Stable and AV14 front is good.
>>96287351Why do people use that site? its so terrible
Rolled 6, 3 = 9 (2d6)
>>96286796I just thought the legs and weapons would work well with some word bearers torsos :(
>>96287436>AV14 frontAV14 all around desu
The LoW look like they die pretty easily to any deepstriking melta
Is this the best kit for conversions in recent memory? I swear they keep getting better and better
>>96287452Kratos isnt a LoW. Also die to deepstriking what? 10 multimeltas only do 6 damage before smoke.
>>96287467The big marine LoW like the fellblade have AV12 on the back. They can eat 18 wounds from 10 meltaguns on a drop pod or with jump packs
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>>96287366Anons don't be illiterate. The moral of the story is that they always had the option for millenia, but dogma prevented them from doing it and only through the actions of rulebreakers was reason restored
>>96287481Realistically AV13 side because its easy to hide the back with their massive range. Or have a screening unit to push them outside melta.
>>96287466It's pretty versitile
>>96287449Let that be lesson for you
>>96287345The average game size is 3k points, so a 1k deathstar is more like a 667 point deathstar in a 40K 2k points game
Also Spartans have good anti vehicle capabilities while being very tough for their cost, they donโt stop being useful after dumping their cargo
>>96287490>screening unitMultimeltas will always be in range. You must be either an idealist or a genious :^)
>>96287452My knight got obliterated by deep strike melta today, can confirm. Was freeblade so I got to auto explode at least.
>>96287514you missed the memo. Multimeltas do jackshit in 3rd edition. They're just S8 so if you shoot 18 multimeltas, 6 miss, then of the 12, 10 of them vanish into nothingness. Then the 12 wounds is reduced to 8 by smokescreen and have only wounded the tank (and zero statuses) despite firing a full 18 multimelta at it.
For a squad of even 10, that's a pitiful 4.4 wounds average ending up on the tank. Zero chance of you deepstriking 30 different multimeltas within 8" of his tank. And if you did that'd be your entire list's points cost to kill a single 365 point tank and lose every single objective.
>>96287515Did you remember to rotate ions
>>96287527Multimeltas on jetbikes are a kino scalpel unit because you can reliably get side/rear angles, especially if youโre playing Scars and have their blatantly overpowered reaction
>>96287556>you can reliably get side/rear anglesSpatans and LRs are AV14 all around
>>96287466Awww, what a cute little diglett head.
>>96287576Theyre also some of the least threatening vehicles. "oooo the 400pts box fires four lascannon shots per turn oooo"
>>96287527>smokescreen>the thing you ignore with a 10p wargear optionsure thing buddy
>>96287576Spartan equivalents (SEQs?) require their own tools to deal with, but they won't be the only vehicles in the game and being able to reliably get side angles/within melta range is nice
>>96287584During a test game with my buddy, I ignored his spartan and played the objectives and ended up winning.
>>96287514MMs are also only melta 8" so no, its not hard to screen rear armor even if youre in the middle of the board. Even then use board edges and a tech marine to screen the rear arc.
>>96287584That can only fire snapshots if they move more than 5" in a turn*
>>96287621A techmarine isn't going to screen anything by himself, he doesn't block LoS and DS doesn't work like it does in 40k
>>96286311How easy would it be to convert Saturnine into 40k obliterators? I bet they are the same size
>>96286364The greater good comes from my bolter, alien scum
>>96287466The spikes ruin it for me, nu-dg cringe. Where is his beer belly?
>>96287667Keep in mind SoT era DG were full on nu-dg
>>96287667This guy, officer. He's the faggot
>>96287667I donโt get the idea of hating death guard for being deathguard. Itโs like wanting warhammer to be realistic
>>96287610Its a 400pts box of do nothing, yea you can just ignore it.
>>96287630Pretty sure that isnt in the game any more. But its damage output is just kinda pathetic, you can safely ignore it and focus on other more relevant. units. The sort of stuff you need to kill asap is like knights or krios or vindicators. Or the proper superheavies. Those all have weak bottoms.
>>96287549No. I forgot it was free but it only improves the front arc so it wouldn't have helped.
>>96287695Vindicators is true, my buddy runs two of them with the stock cannon and even those have run rampant if I don't remove them ASAP.
>>96287638Park the rear of the tank such that either
>A unit physically can't fit between it and a board edge>Or use a techmarine to break up there the legal foot print would be so a whole unit can't fit in the rear arc and be outside 1" using a variety of terrain or other back field unitsIt is not hard when the main cannons have massive range to work is a good spot. Units need to stay in coherency when they land. Besides what are you going to squeeze in? 10 MM plus a large pod? Bikes with huge bases? A warmonger and 10 MM that suppress themselves?
>>96287697It improves whatever facing you want for one round of shooting, but drops all your saves to 6++ after the fact.
>>96287727I like how your strategy for avoiding rear shots on a midfield super heavy is to
>*checks notes*park it in the corner of your deployment zone
Somewhat overlooked rule in the superheavies sub-type:
Glancing hits don't cause super-heavies to roll on the damage table, they only inflict a single hull point of damage
I got your alien scum right here
>*kroot proceed to maul alive the uppity incel*
>>96287515Should have gone for the stomp, it allows you to turn and walk up to them to squish a few guys and present your front armor + shield
>>96287774>xenosfag posted in the wrong threadDisastrous.
>>96287762I missed that but that's also so weird. So they can't get statuses from glances, but can still get statuses from shock (I think).
>>96287694>>96287690>>96287686The spikes are a nu-dg aesthetic and it is cringe, simple as. The plague DG before was much more body horror focused not on generic spikes.
>>96287807The plauge dg from before didnโt have anything. They were boring. Reminds me
Of that one golden demon winner of the leviathan covered in nothing but dirt.just awful, and not in a good way.
>>96287817>The plauge dg from before didnโt have anything. They were boring. Wrong, picture related. The FW Plague DG mogg the plastic nu-dg so badly. They did not have tentacles and random long spikes, which doesn't fit the DG aesthetic at all.
You are entitled to your wrong opinion of course anon.
>>96287795Yeah, pretty much.
Also don't forget even primarchs can get statuses, lose combat and route.
>That'll never happen!Slaughter 20 tacticals standing next to Leman Russ and he'll turn tail and flee if he's in the same combat.
The thing to remember with primarchs is that all their melee AND ranged attacks are automatically precision, which can matter! You don't need a challenge to dumpster an enemy praetor, and having a sergeant accept a challenge does nothing to stop the primarch from ripping characters a new asshole in the fight after
>>96287807>The spikes are a nu-dg aestheticAbsolutely wrong
Zoomers PLEASE die
>>96287837Hey look, SPIKES
>>96287757No one is actually putting it midfield. It was an example of how bad multimeltas are with only 8" melta range. A single unit can screen it out.
>>96287774Kroot chicken soup mhmmmm
Did your dudes survive the Heresy? If so, what became of them in the Scouring and beyond? If not, when did they fall?
>>96287847Yes but not long overdone spikes. You retard, there is a difference between a tasteful spike here and there and a massive cluster which looks unesthetic.
Post a DG model you prefer anon.
My list:
3 Centurions: 270
3 Tactical squads: 300
3 Rhinos: 180
Logistical Benefit: Missile Heavy Support Squad: 250 points
9 Missile Heavy Support Squads: 2250 Points
Is this a good list????
@96287786
@96287659
kamala lost
>>96287837Whyโd you post an illustration instead of the models
>>96287872I has 0 tarantulas and therefore you will lose every single game you try to play.
>>96287866>they didn't have spikes>oo-o-ookay they DID have spikes>B-B-B-BUT NOT THOSE SPIKESNo, go neck yourself
Am I fucking stupid or are there no rules for Sabres?
>>96287850>No one is actually putting it midfield.Why do you even bother posting in a thread about a game you don't play
If you can corner deploy a falchion and be able to shoot everything you want for the entire game, your table was shit
>praetors can't get a vexila but centurions can
huh?
>>96287844Challenges seem cool but it'll be weird seeing when they come up. In most situations a character is going to strike before a retinue, so it seems better to thin down the retinue before they attack rather than sit in a challenge where odds are neither of you are killing the other first round.
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>>96287910I'm gonna let you figure out the answer.
>>96287928challenges keep going until someone is dead, the winner of a round calls it quits or someone uses the withdraw gambit
>>96287919>Can't understand additional examples >Must out giant tank in the center to see anythingNo games detected
>>96286305Hell yeah this is the only time I've gotten a resin wire to bend without snapping
>>96287939>buh-buh-buh-buh-buhYou said midfield superheavy, now you've spent the last 30 minutes shitting your pants in frustrated pride over your own dumb comment
>midfield superheavies can't get rearshotted!Absolutely wrong
>I'll just get a techmarine to stand behind it to screen it!Stupid, retarded comment
>I'll never move it from my table edge!You picked up your goal posts like your non-existent models and moved them back into your deployment zone
You can keep posting and I will keep calling you a dumb nigger
>>96287929Ah, thought they'd be in Legacies for some reason
>>96287956>>midfield superheavies can't get rearshotted!>Absolutely wrongNo, it's easy to block melta. Please keep up. Just admit you can't visualize the apple.
James considers these two kits of equal value
>>96287949>this is the only time I've gotten a resin wire to bend without snappingUh, anon you do dip the thing in hot water and immediately set it like you're meant to, don't you?
I have never had any issues with the ammo feeds.
>>96288068Both from dead games
>>96288020>Please keep up.Why do you think these nigger faggotry reddit responses do anything?
This isn't Facebook or Discord. Nobody is going to updoot you. Every extra retarded post is just going to be more people calling you a dumb nigger.
>>96288068The resin AT knights have absurdly fine details, one of the best sculpts they've done
And the kit on the right is four dollars more than the kit on the left.
>>96288020>Just admit you can't visualize the apple.My fucking Zoomer girlfriend hit me with this and it gave me an existential crisis.
>>96288149>self-reports being a pedoOnly on 4chan
>>96288159>PedoWasn't aware a 25 year old woman was a child.
>>>>96288164Anon that's a millennial not a zoomer
>>96288182>the generation loosely being defined as people born around 1997 to 2012
>>96288182No, anon, she's a Zoomer.
I'm 30, I'm barely a Millennial, she's a Zoomer.
>the 30-year old 2.0 boomer and his 25-year old 3.0 zoomer gf
Grim.
Rolled 2, 2 = 4 (2d6)
>>96286250I have not yet recovered from the nerfs to Leviathan Dreads and Chainfist.
>>96288204>3.0 zoomer gfThat'd mean she be dead
>>96288204Indeed.
She crochets at the table while I paint.
It's easy being in a relationship when you're both autists.
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>>962878645 dudes survived the heresy. 4 dudes disappear with the Khan, 1 gets his own chapter and is killed by Jain Zar about a century later.
>>96288303>and is killed by Jain Zar
It doesn't matter that much since it's probably just gonna sit on my shelf anyways but jesus christ if I wanted to have all the weapon options a saturnine dread would be 202$, or 90$ if you have one from the box.
>>96286842Working on my word bearers command squad
>>96288322I got both sets, but I'm only making 1 proper dread the other will be a conversion.
>>96287864Now that I think about it, it would be cool if I made my CSM Warband founded by survivors of the Heresy driven mad by time and the Warp...
>>96287425I'm doing one command squad and 60 lasgun lads for my Mechanicum, yours seems reasonable. What are you picking for their Cohort buff/Legion auxilia?
>>96287267There are going to be 20 of them with a flag, because that's something like 100pts for the whole unit, and at that point you need to kill ten with shooting before they morale check just from that. Status weapons work rather better, I think. They're not bad Line padding, since they can get Expendable and are utterly disposable in ways that even tech-thralls aren't (10ppm tech-thralls just feel wrong).
>>96288182Anon Y2K was nearly 26 years ago
>>96288403I'm going with Iron Pattern Cohort and Selucid Thorakites to really go in on the Iron Warriors flavor.
Having 80 Expendable dudes would work pretty nicely for them I think.
Do your local player fit the stereotype of the legion? if so how and why?
>>96288531Our only Ultramarines player is a cute Filipina.
It throws me off.
What do you guys think Asphyx shells look like? Would you paint the bolts any differently? I have some open mags on my models and Iโm not sure how to paint them
>>96288576Modern gas shells are usually grey with coloured stripes. German WW1 gas shells are pretty cool though.
>>96288600Are Asphyx shells gas? I thought they were filled with psychoactive toxins
>>96288614I see "Asphyx" and that's what I assume. Not to mention Toxiferran weapons use anti-psyker gas/smoke as well.
What do the numbers on the back of the status tokens mean? Are they a reminder for modifiers?
>>96288614>>96288654I don't know of any toxins turned into gasses, let alone gas weapons, IRL, it's always something dripped, dropped, or injected.
>>96288678They're reminders of modifiers yes, because units don't test for status effects until the end of the phase.
>>96288558>tfw Filipino heritage>collect UltramarimesMaybe itโs genetic
>>96288452I'm strongly tempted by the Iron Cohort, yeah. As I'm not a Legion army I get to take my pick of the auxilia reactions, going to have to try a few things with those and the Ultima Cohort free reactions there, but it's very possible that any combination of those is worse than just having Line 2 Expendable 1 bodies on the board. We'll have to see what Militia and Cults chaff looks like, if we indeed get that army back.
I may be misreading the tank movement rules, but I don't think they can actually push models out of their way like you used to with Tank Shock. They can drive over a single line of bodies, but if you don't leave a vehicle-sized space I'm not sure they can push past your infantry blobs without first killing them off or forcing them to rout, which is possibly another benefit of having dozens of dirt cheap boys.
>>96287864Yes, barely. 207th Blood Angels company, never made it to Terra. Got lost in the Ruinstorm. Had some fun. Didnโt have some fun. Crawled back to Baal to find out the truth they knew. Broke them in a way. They got a planet and crusade in 40k down in the galactic southwest.
I made /mydudes/ years and years ago in Dawn of War as a teenager, so I actually have a couple pages of notes, and names and engagements of both losses and wins. Not tragic but not epic either, just some silly guys trying to do good work for the Emperor and Sanguinius. They like swords, fists, spears, claws, and explosives. Hammers are for homos, Axes are for douchebags. I care not for meta or edition, I got my flavor and I like it.
>>96288679You've never heard of sarin gas?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sarin_Gas_against_animals_-_weapons_experiment.ogv
>>96288763Sarin is man-made, making it toxic, sure, but not a toxin. Toxin's are derived from plant or animal venom/poison. Also don't link videos of sarin gas being used by animals, you're acting like a /b/ summerfag.
What colors are you guys painting your tokens? So far I'm thinking red for routed, blue for pinned, white for suppressed and and yellow for stunned.
What colors would you associate with each type of status?
>>96287837I really like that plague machete. Gives me this kinda vibe
>>96287920>Centurions can get a vexillaThey WHAT
Half relevant, bro I miss fluffy WTs
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>>96287920>Centurions can take vexilaDare I say... SOVL?
I'm struggling to find a situation where I really want to take cataphractii. I have 9 of them unbuilt but it is hard to want to bother with them instead of just picking up some tartaros.
>>96289061Tartaros dies quite a bit faster than cataphractii. That 4+ invulnerable save really makes a difference.
>>96289061For me, I love Cataphractii, but they NEED a transport and that inflates their cost so much. Can a 5 or 10 man squad make their points back?
>>96289149A 5 man squad in a land raider can easily make their points back. Specially in the new edition, with AV 14 being harder to kill, the land raider adding almost twice the mobility it used to, and command squad terminators have 3 attack base.
>>96287864They didn't even survive 3.0.
>>96289200GW needs to get their shit together and finally expand the SoS model range to make them a proper army. So many cool, exotic and interesting units they could do for them. But noooo, instead we're gonna get femstodes.
>>96289149It seems hard unless you hit something like a heavy support squad.
>>96289211>$60 for 5 manCouldnโt get me interested tbqh.
>>96289211And itโs all fucking Blackrockโs fault
Are Custodes a waacfag army this edition / will they be annoying to play against?
>>96289224Kill yourself already
>>96289162LR shills say AV14 is invincible and half a dozen lascannons is okay firepower. Their detractors say they can be ignored
>>96289232>waacHave you seen their rules? They aren't winning anything.
>>96287904No and those spikes have different design philosophies, you just pretend to be retarded now
>>96287864I fully expect that most of them died in one of the Terra-related campaigns and then maybe one ship of Reductor guys skulked away to build a bunch of fucked-up bioweapons.
>>96289232No, and all femstodes have a -1 on all stats too.
>>96289282Stop feeding the E-gimp
>>96289217>wanting more Blackrock to push more DEI into HHI don't understand you anon
>>96289232Custodes have never been balanced and the only way to win against them was if you can tarpit them while camping objectives or playing a parking lot list/Mech faggotry and shooting them off the table while you camp objectives. Custodes continue to tear wounds off of everyone barring a few notable Primarchs. As a whole they lack Line units and the game is shorter so you can win off of camping objectives in a more consistent manner.
>>96289295I feel sorry for him, he gets no other attention otherwise. Like a bad kid acting out, just to get attention from daddy.
Looking for Kill Lupercal, all episodes. Could some anon here share a link please?
Rolled 1, 3 = 4 (2d6)
>>96286250I just wanted to roll some dice.
For more flexibility, detachment jenga is a pain in the ass. I wanted to have Dominators in my list with my Warsmith, except that takes an apex retinue slot, meaning I'd have to get another Centurion to take the extra slots required for the Land Raider, leaving no real points for anything else (I end up with something like 145 points spare if I do that) OR I take the Hammer of Olympia and be able to get the LR and Terminators for cheaper as well as 300 extra points for something else (in this case I put Tyrants in to make use of the slot)
Thoughts on the list so far?
Historically, based on the weapon types and the model count, what Legion has the best chance to support a Saturnine-only army in long term?
I want to start a force of nothing but Saturnine Terminators and Saturnine Dreads. I know that for now we only know about the Saturnine Command squad and there is no confirmation for many more Saturnine units to be released but I am ready to struggle with an extremely limited selection of profiles.
Since it's a side project I am open to any Legion as long as it provides a proper support rules-wise.
>>96289336https://eztv.it-proxy.org/search/?q1=kill+lupercal&search=Search
Have we discussed how the DereDere Dread actually has some pretty good guns this edition? Sure, they lost BS, but with the exception of the Plasma of course, since this is Plasma Is Shit Edition. All of their main gun options seem... good?
>Autocannons: 6 shots, Str8, 2 damage, Breaching 5+, will kill Terminators if you breach and they fail their Inv.
>Lascannons: Str9, upto 10 if they don't move and the range is good. 4 Damage, 2 shots will probably get through a Spartan eventually, or if combined with something else.
>Volkite Falconet: 10 shots (!!!), Str7, Deflagrate, and is the only Volkite weapon to have Pinning, Pinning (2) at that, making it an amazing anti-Tactical weapon.
Sure the rocket launcher is kind of meh and just sort of there, but I think the DDD looks like it has some fun options.
>>96289373I struggle with new building. I liked making diverse lists as DA player but now the HQ tax ruins it so I have to take less.
Edition is shit anyway, took away DW Companions with jump packs and this whole challenge system is uninteresting faggotry to me. Between that and vehicles it's some kind of shitty status edition that they mistakenly call flavour and thematic.
>>96289396The blast profile of the deredeo's plasma weapon has 2 damage and still has breaching 4+, it's still good. Especially with how accurate blast weapons are now.
>>96289407I dunno. Breach 4+ is good, but I do kind of feel myself liking the other options more. The fact that non-overcharge mode is literally just the Autocannon but WORSE is fucking dumb.
>Veteran tacticals can no longer take melee weapons and their special weapons were cut down substantially
cool so what am I supposed to do with all these marines that have melee weps and a bolter or all my oddball marines that have a single special wep like graviton gun, rocket launcher, plasma gun... where can I actually use them short of buying 10 more of the cunts with the exact same loadout and making them a support squad?
>>96289411Even in the old edition people were only firing the blast profile anyway.
>>96289211GW and the warhammer fan base is full of trannies. It's only to be expected that they ignore biological females in order to troon out male factions.
>>96289414Veteran tacticals still can take any of the heavy or special weapon, one per five.
If you want melee veterans on foot you gotta look at the centurion command squad profile, those are pretty much exactly the old veteran unit entry from 2.0, melee weapons and ranged weapons mixing and all.
Some people here are deprived of attention
>>96289373So yeah, it's either run those Terminators, OR take them all out and the detachment out and have nowhere to stick my Warsmith, but then have 800~ to shove in some more special or heavy weapons and maybe another tank or two
>>96289418>>96289407Fair. But... Pinning (2) on the Volkite is hilarious.
>>96289426The vet tacs have less special weapons. No grav gun, no base plasma gun. The centurion command squad can get melee weapons in replacement of their bolter - and it's all combi-shidding. No actual special weapons.
This really is the faggot edition of "Oh, we don't sell that? guess you can't make it xD" I can't understand giving jews workshop any money in 2025.
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>>96288600>high explosive gas>shrapnel gas>incendiary gas
>>96289462>accidentally breathed in high explosive gas>have chronic exploding lungitis nowit's over for me lads
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>>96289447>No actual special weapons.Have you tried opening your fucking eyes? Sure the graviton gun is gone, but everything else is right there you fucking nigger.
If you mean the entire unit being equipped with special weapons there's the veteran support squad in the legacies rules. They can even mix special and heavy weapons in the same unit.
It's unbelievable how many fucking illiterate retards make a complete fool of themselves whining about nothing.
>>96289373>>96289439Oh shit nevermind, just remembered about Logistical Benefits - might be able to make something work now
>>96289466Try not to get Skin Failure as well.
>>96287864the 888th sons of Horus rapid siege factionalism and isolationism proved deadlier than the loyalists defending the imperial warp EWS nodes.
they would splinter into various warbands as they arrive late for beta garmon
>>96289482The Vet squads in the Legacies are actually pretty fun. The Heavy Vets can just roam about the board, toting Heavy Disintigrators en-masse, or whatever else catches your fancy.
Then you have the Vet Breachers, who are a fucking MENACE. 10 of them, 4 LasCutters, 6 Volkite Chargers, stuffed into a Rhino like it's a clown car, give you a really NASTY threat range to just roll up to a Spartan, offload 4 Str10 D2 shots into it, make a disordered charge into it, and then pump four S12 D4 attacks into hit, hitting on 2+. Plus maybe the Sarg has Meltabombs too? All for around 270pts? Or maybe skip the Volkite? Or take a Powerfist or two instead?
They've got 2W each, they're WS5 as well, so they can bully WS4 stuff okay, and can even hold their own against WS5 elites.
Yeah, I really like those.
How effective would a ten man Autocannon squad be? Just as flimsy as any other Tactical, but is 300 points worth the potential damage output?
>>96289521sure, you use the Corvidae power and they turn into ranged blenders
>>96289401I've been making DA lists and haven't struggled with the HQ tax at all. I'm struggling with how expensive our toolbox being so limited. We have some expensive melee blenders in Companions and Cenobium, but otherwise there's no real Legion synergy to work with
I bought all my books, and haven't even taken the shrink wrap off.
The edition change, and how badly it fucked my list, seem to have taken all my interest and passion.
:(
>>96289297Blackrock own most the fucking world, what's your actual point?
>>96289569I have the same feeling but for Oathmark. Just got all the books only after they all got here Amazon leaked that a 2nd edition was coming. It just be like that some times. Is what it is, I guess.
>>96286216 (OP)Those command Saturnite units look very cool, but I don't think I can afford to buy 3 separate pretors just to build a squad of 3. Did GW maybe say, if they are going to release a weapon sprue for saturnite units, the dreadnoughts, regular terminators, parts to build a centurion etc?
>>96289610Units in the tactica journals will usually require kitbashing. So no official kits/upgrade sets.
>>96289636How does 2 shots with BS 5 precision 4+ breaching 4+ at 30" range sound to you?
>>96289297Wow, like 11% combined.
>>96289610They want you to trade sexual favours at your LGS for people's leftover praetor bits
>>96289636By the sounds of it? Very.
They were kinda niche last ed, this ed theyre really good.
Serious question; Are the GW night lords dice weighted?
>>96289616hmm so it is like my biker HQs. Well bummer. Hoped for a box with an upgrade sprue. But maybe I will find some sort of large size axes from WFB or something.
>>96289644I would not trade "sexual favours" with myself, so bummer for GW plans.
>>96289636Yes
>>96289648Sniping characters has always been powerful
>>96289381I mean, the obvious answer is Salamanders, since they made the things. IW also had a ton of them
>>96289676>Sniping characters has always been powerfulYea, theyre good vs primarchs this ed.
20 *1/2 *1/2 * 1/2 = 2.5~, so it takes around 3 rounds of shooting for a 10 man seeker squad to kill any primarch in the game (that isnt lion hiding with some companions), or magnus if he has shrouded.
>>96289689now do horus ascended
>>96289336https://gofile.io/d/zivfW4
>>96289689>Take augury scanner>No more shrouded
>>96289698Well, he has 8w and a 33% damage reduction so its closer to 11/12 wounds, so its what, 5 rounds of shooting to kill big horus? (as always assuming t4 retinue)
>>96289710So not possible within a normal mission. He really is Horus Heresy
>>96289718Realistically 10 seekers wont kill any primarch, between counter-battery and transports and stuff (corax's snapshots rule for example reduces the damage by 33%, likewise if the retinue is t5 which it will often be).
But this is also one unit of seekers, which is like what, 200pts?
>>96289381I think that's difficult to say until we know what will be added with Forges of Saturn. But I think it can be argued that any legion that makes them sturdier or more mobile would get especially good mileage out of them.
>>96289727195 points to be precise. They're a steal.
>>96289734The only issue is that since theyre elites theyre pretty hard to spam/take in any real numbers for most legions. AL can do it via headhunter leviathal and dark angles can do it via firewing team, but thats about it.
>>96289727of course, but you have to consider you'll have external factors on your side too, and their range makes them relatively safe. Granted most units will look good when measuring against their ideal target, but these guys trade up really well and have easy ways of hitting their intended targets. Worst case scenario you kill chaplains and MoS and force statuses all over the place instead
>>96289740Oh I agree, seekers are really good and really scary. I just dont want to oversell them as "if you take them you will kill the enemy primarch"
>>96289741now, if you take three squads...
>>96289743Why not four? 800pts, your enemy doesent get to use characters.
>>96289732>WS saturnine terminators move 7"That's actually kinda nuts
>>96289746Doesn't the detachment fit 3?
>>96289753It has a prime slot, so logisitcal benefit for the fourth
>>96289753It has a prime slot, and what, are you going to combat veterans or master sgt your seekers? just have them let you take more seekers.
>>96289755>>96289757how does a Vigilator change the math? Can even give him paragon of battle for BS8
>>96289762Vs primarchs? Not much, theyre eternal warrior.
A vigilator does (without paragon) 1*1/3*1/2*3+1*1/3*1/3*1/2*2+1*1/3*1/3*1/6*2=0.65 wounds on average to a praetor. Theyre really not very high DPS (the flipside of course is that they have a what, 1/3 chance to one-shot a centurion (assuming theyre paragoned)? Very spiky.
I was looking at the various command options and noticed the Herald. Wodner if he's ever worth it? He wants to be in challenges but can only take a power fist, so most of the time he's going to be a 100 pt tax to get one or two points per game due to his unit winning combat instead. Maybe it's enough? I wonder if his basic power weapon can be exchanged for anything interesting like chainglaives or power scythes that might make him a better duelist
Taken a shitload of fiddling to get this to fit - thoughts on the actual content? I wanted to get more than 1 group of Termies in there and some CCQ capability, but that meant requiring another Land Raider. The Cata Command Squad is actually representing Dominators and is 5 points cheaper than current cost, leaving me with 85 points left over.
The alternative plan involves just the Warsmith, Dominators and Land Raider, and then spending the other points on HSS and TSS squads, but it feels expensive and squishy
>>96289810Maybe turn one of the Cata squads into Tartaros? And give them some real weapons instead of power swords
>>96289817Tits, entirely forgot to adjust that to fists - good spot. Don't have 85 points left then, I have 55.
>>96289200I'm hopeful that they'll be relaunched in conjunction with Liber Imperium.
>>96289806if its just a "power weapon" (i.e not specifically an axe) then he can swap it out for stuff like power daggers
>>96289839Yup, just a power weapon. NL have a good legion-specific weapon right? What about the SoH axes, are those still good? They fit the model too
>>96289482Way to sperg out, big woop can take a plasma gun my bad, where's the plasma repeater too? ;) oh and can't take rocket launcher, melta or many other guns. It's not the same dude. GW killed the unit don't rage at me retard.
>>96289689there's not a single primarch in game that seekers wound on 4+ so no idea what the fuck you think you mathed.
10 kraken bolters is 10 precision landing on primarch, wounding on 6+ that's 1.67 wounds, then 4++ takes it to 0.8 total wounds suffered.
3 rounds of shooting is just 2 wounds on average, which kills zero primarchs in the game.
>>96289810I've also got this list which seems like a bit of an asshole move - but at the same time I don't know whether the Typhon would make it's points back compared to 5 Catas and a LR. Also gives me another 255pts to play with
>>96289806DA can give him a TGS, SW can give him a great frostblade, Sallies can forge-craft his fist for D3, night lords can give him a glaive or headsmans axe. Fists can give him a shield for 4++ and a solarite gauntlet.
Power weapons are the general "this can be upgraded" weapon.
>>96289848Carsoran power axes are better power axes. Carsoran power tabars are worse thunder hammers.
>>96289894Not how precision shots work. You would vs the majority toughness of the unit, then allocate. A primarch with t4 marines is t4, a primarch with t5 terminators is t5.
>>96289898Wow, another reason to never touch horus heresy 3 even once. Literally worse rules writing in every single system compared to 40k.
getting into heresy with world eaters because i like the colour scheme and red butchers are cool, anything specific i should know about them?
>>96289911Have we found the worlds biggest carsoran power tabar fan?
The sculptor must have imagined that there's a limbless nugget of a marine in there. I mean the limbs of the armor are clearly attached to the torso by mechanical servo joints. That's not armor sleeved over a person's extremities, those are completely cybernetic appendages built into the suit.
>>96289930I mean, the idea of a really big axe is pretty cool...
>>96289938That's because they are indeed nuggets. I'm not even sure if the marine's actual head is inside the helmet
>>96289911This entire edition was obviously a rush job. GW saw HH 3.0 WHEN!?!?! and thought we can make BIG BUCKS HERE! they want it! and then shat out a poorly digested turd and then rushed to add an additional 207 sheets of legacy TP and it still doesn't clean off.
>>96289687Dangles have that "custodian of forbidden tech" thing going on as well. The Psionic component would lead to TSons having a fair number simply because they'd be a reliable source of test-pilots for the things. No having to trawl through hundreds of candidates before finding a guy just baseline psionic enough to use the thing.
>>96289996But Dangles' forbidden tech is mostly DAoT stuff and unification wars stuff. Saturnines aren't forbidden or poorly understood, just expensive.
>>96289806There's a couple of Legions who have interesting options with Heralds. We had this conversation a few weeks back. My personal top choices were Ultramarines with a free Storm Shield and either a fist or the Legatine Axe, and someone else posited the idea of a NL's one with a Headsmans Axe (probably the best weapon any version of the Herald can take) and the Gambit that let's him dodge challenges from guys who will mulch him.
>>96289938I still say we've got an Appleseed Landmate situation, and the guy's feet only go as far as the thighs and the arms are fully robotic and are controlled from within the central chest area "cockpit".
>>96289381we know there will be TS, WB and probably other Legion-specific units which HHG will endlessly bitch about because they're not WS5 3++ with better guns and melee, or because they're WS6 Knights Cenobium
if I had to guess outside of those I'd say BA, they've got significant resources and numbers of marines (as apparently only a few can pilot it effectively this matters), they've got significant numbers of psykers (and not as an asspull, they were the only loyalists with a psychic dread in 40k, and the lore for the Osiron says they made use of the tech, if not the pattern)
>>962900383++ is always pretty cancerous, I can only excuse it on Primarchs
>>96289942Ya its a pretty nice axe. I have a bunch to use as headsmans axes.
>>96290070*Angry SoH noises*
>>96290003>(probably the best weapon any version of the Herald can take)Dont sleep on the D3 forge-crafted power fist. If that guy survives to strike he one-shots centurions.
>>96290073Cant have shit in space detroit.
>>96290077Would Cthonia or Nostramo be Detroit?
>>962900503++ (and the ever dreaded 2++) are fine as game concepts, but I dont think they work in the very symmetrical gameplay of HH.
In 40k having stormshield terminators is fine because theres other bullshit out there, asymmetrical styles of play that make it balanced and fair, likewise the archon can have his 2++ because hes going to die when he fails one anyways. But in a game about nearly identical dudes mashing each other? Its a bit much.
>>96290077Yeah, that's valid too. Plus, when we did compare the options, that was before Terminator Heralds were a thing and the Legends in general were a thing. That might move the needle in some odd ways as well.
>>96290109Gorgon plate IH herald could be nice, 5++ 5+++ is kinda nuts.
>>96290111I think IH saturnines are overkill. t7 (8 vs melta, las, flame and plasma) is insane durability
>>96290050Do any Primarchs even have a 3++ or equivalent this edition? Magi have something of almost identical effectiveness with 4++ FNP 5+, but I can't think of anything with an outright 3+ invuln save that I've seen.
>>96290139Nope. 3++ and rerolls are gone.
Afternoon all, hope you're doing well. I'm currently white girl wasted on cheap whiskey and coke due to an oncoming divorce, but I had a few questions: when did the Word Bearers switch their colour scheme into the crimson? Also are 40K daemonic imagery and armour acceptable to use for their units to give them some Chaotic flair?
>>96289687I was asking about the rules, not fluff.
>>96289732>any legion that makes them sturdier or more mobile would get especially good mileage out of themAre EC buffing them in any way?
>>96290153Short answer is "when they turned traitor". Some members like Erebus were using it earlier than the rest
>>96290165EC make them I2 in melee if they charge.
think 40k centurion helmets could look nice on saturnine terminators?
can anons post pics of saturnine terninators/praetor using heada from different kits?
>>96289830It's just Custodes. The only thing Sisters are getting is some new rules.
Sisters are getting their new kits much later.
>>96290153>? Also are 40K daemonic imagery and armour acceptable to use for their units to give them some Chaotic flair?Yea, post heresy they went off the deep end real fast.
>>96290238WTF is that anon?
So did we get Legion Nullificators rules for 3.0 or are they squatted?
>>96290181they probably wouldn't fit. They are significantly bigger than marine helmets
>>96290270Theyre gone. Might come back later idk, its a weird thing to not have in the edition where they decided disintigrators are fine to just give out.
>>96290238Chaos not even once, she used to be a cute heavenly blessed blonde beauty
>>96290278Yeah classic GW to be retarded like that
>>96290153>when did the Word Bearers switch their colour scheme into the crimson?The Serrated Sun chapter were the first to adopt it after Lorgar christened them the Blessed Sons, some decades before the outbreak of the Heresy. The red scheme was then gradually adopted by other elements of the legion over the course of many years, continuing through the Heresy itself.
>>96290241You don't know Ingethel?
>DA get rules for Naufragia termies in 3.0
>but they're retconned to have been armored in Saturnine instead of Cataphractii
Would that be acceptable?
>>96290354If they have phosphex and looks like they are Dark Angels I will be ok with it.
>>96287864My Knight house had to become freeblades for breaking their oath to the Warmaster. They lost their Cerastus patterns but picked up something obscure called a Dominus.
>>96288803I donโt really like any of those but also donโt have a better suggestion. Maybe dark green with holographic/neon green highlights?
>>96286250"cool check" is a psyop
you need to be agitated and ready for murder at all times
>>96290443>Anon has failed his leadership test and become lost to the nails
>>96290396The squad sarge may be upgraded to carry a phosphex grenade harness but there will be no option for a phosphex cannon.
>>96290454and here i stand, denying "cool" AND shitposting
>>96290473Now we are talking
>>96290354>Dark Angels kept a stock of Sats from the Unification Era>consequently they were never invested in Vulkan's labors>their units owe nothing to Vulkan and his collaboratorsPlease make it happen.
>>96290354What ard Naufragia?
>>96290553Dark Angels Dreadwing heavy weapons terminators
Would the custodes combat patrol box be a good cheap way to get into heresy? How do they compare to the marines?
>>96290553A footnote of an unrealized unit concept from the final black book.
>>96290479>flamer template, s5 ap3 d1, breaching(5+), poison(3+), panic(3). Overload(1) (note: saturnines are only breached on 6s on overloads because of their dispersal fields)>Each naufragia comes with two plasma bombard stock, can upgrade each for a phosphex incinerator for +10pts. 65ppm base. >ws4 bs4 2A >can swap a gun for the saturnine disruption fist, can stick plasma repeater onto the saturnine fist >>96290602You might need to convert those terminators some.
>how do they compare to marinesIn close combat? They mop the floor with them/
But theyre very expensive, bad at holding objectives and when they get countered they REALLY get countered.
>>96289516I hope the plastic Breachers box has enough of their special guns to make this doable.
>>96290608I would say dont let them take the plasma repeater on the fist, just fist and main arm gun. Myabe the SGT can take the repeater if he takes an ax.
>>96289887Nigger we have established that you have 0 (read ZERO) reading comprehension. The entry fucking says heavy weapons list.
>>96290608NTA but I have about 3000pts worth of Custodes for 40k and no desire to play 10e anymore. Is it possible to build a functional HH army with plastic kits only? I have 10 Guards, 5 Wardens, 9 Termies and 12 Bikers.
>>96290653https://assets.warhammer-community.com/eng_25-07_warhammer_the_horus_heresy_legacies_of_the_age_of_darkness_talons_of_the_emperor-gtkvd9jm1x-trfuzovcad.pdf
>>96290653>Can i build a list with custodesYes
>Will people like to play against meFFFFFFFFUCK no.
>>96290653Everything but the guard and maybe the wardens (if armed with spears) s illegal, the 40k models are too small to be proxies for their 30k counterparts
>>96290669>the 40k models are too small to be proxies for their 30k counterpartsDo people still use True Line of Sight? Everyone I know switched to top-down LoS long time ago no matter the game.
>>96290602Custodes are pretty much unplayable right now, and the kits in that box are most likely to be locked to 40k if/when the Liber finally drops sometime next year.
Unless you also plan to play 40k, don't bother, just save your money.
>>96290634I mean, there might be two Lascutters in the box if they're part of the basic sprue and GW does it's usual thing of giving you two of them. But there's no way they will have anything other than them, two graviton guns and bolters. They want you to buy either a second box, or MAYBE. MAYBE. An upgrade kit, similar to the command upgrade sprue.
If we're very lucky.
Fuck GW for removing alchem flamers and lascutters from the destroyers.
>>96290691>They want you to buy either a second boxThey're definitely going to get a lot of sales from the IW, IH and IF players at least.
It's me, I'm one of those.
I'm probably buying like 4 boxes to make a bunch of Breachers as Line options and maybe take a squad of Vets with the loadout you mentioned and maybe an amusing second one with power weapons to do a cool Triarii unit.
>>96290501Dancing like you just won the worst rite of war contest I see
>>96290699I understand the frustration but weren't they added back through the Legacy pdf?
>>96290711I dont think Destoryers can take Lascutters, in fact i dont think they could in 2.0 either.
>>96290278That is so frustrating.
They also removed the options for moritats to take dual disintegrator pistols.
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>>96290153read first heretic and betrayer
>>96288803I just cracked opened the Gundam markers I had around and colored them in cringe metallics
>>96290704Isn't there someone with a detachment that's like two or three basic slots: Breachers only?
>>96290728And technically dual Bolt-Pistols, Grav Pistols and Inferno Pistols. They also took away Bitter Duty, which is a weird glass half full thing, but still, above all, weird.
>>96290781Eh, there's a reason Bandai are on the top of the game anon.
>>96290780>read a Horus Heresy book that isn't a rulebookHard pass nigga
>>96290803ur missing out bro
What do people run their jump pack companions as nowadays? regular assault marines , or are they one of those to be boxed-never used type of units?
Same with interemptors. Regular plasma TSS are better, but I don't see them very useful vs all the av 14 transports, and +2sv units people run now.
>>96290602Ignoring the terminators who need converting
>tribune with paragon blade - 250>shield captain with praesidium shield - 180 (+50 if you want to deep strike)>shield captain with paragon spear - 180 (+50 if you want to deep strike)>sentinel sodality - 180 (the vexila guy is illegal though) - 180>guard sodality - 160Now, ask yourself if you'd really be satisfied with that being 950-1050 worth of models
>>96287864no they died on istvaan 3
>>96290839I don't watch Marvel movies either.
>>96290839>reading anything involving gargel balls No I don't think he is
>>96290859Why would the terminators need converting? All the suits custodes use in w40k existed and were used in Heresy times. Plus GW said that if you have a model that doesn't have a load out now, you should just count as it to play anyway.
>>96290894The bigger question what one should do with two units of companions all build with dual blades.
Curious - in your experiences - do you see people utilizing 10 troops? Or they max out the unit count with 20?
>>96290153>>96290803>>96290869>>96290879>>96290885>still trying to shill about with muh marvel and muh ADB and muh BL >in 2025man, the late 2010s were a dumpster fire, you all are mentally ill
>>96290940Remember, it never hurts to have standards and to curate the media that you consume.
>[The Order of the Empty Sky] were experts in the prosecution of close quarters battle in conjunction with lethalis category artillery support, exploiting the chaos as shells burst in the very midst of their assault.
Oh cool so the Dark Angels were doing Ironfire tactics before the Iron Warriors.
>>96290940https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JmVjdYE7qY
What are next?
>>96290972"DA were the prototype template other Legions were modeled on" has been pretty basic fluff for them for awhile now.
Also that's just a particularly close range creeping barrage.
>>96290972I don't think the DA were retarded enough to fire the artillery at their own troops like IW are though.
Are there any Black Library heresy books that focus on the Solar Auxilia or at least the Imperial army?
>>96291051Nope, not a one.
>>96291051FW made up the Auxilia way after BL had been churning out books.
>>96291051>focus on the Solar AuxiliaNo because they were the pet project of one sculptor that wanted to do a diving suit army instead of being something from Visions of Heresy.
>Imperial Army Tallarn I think?
>>96287864Traitor loyalists cannot "survive" the Scouring. They have to be adopted into a loyalist legion. Probably masquerading as an Ultramarine "successor" under a different name
>>96291051The SA was invented by FW too late to be properly featured in the series. But there are stories with imperial army forces that could pass as them.
I think only Tallarn features multiple tales focusing on the imperial army, but there are plot lines with them in Legion, Know no Fear and of course the Siege of Terra books.
>>96291089Could always become a random warband, like half of the AL
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>>96286216 (OP)Does someone know if this color scheme is from an actual clan or is it just made up? In the previous thread I said I saw this guy but didn't know if was real or not
>>96291051>>96291093Roundaboutly A Thousand Sons features quite a bit of Solar Auxilia because the Prosperine Spireguard was retconned to be an SA cohort inducted into the command of the TS.
>>96291093The Tallarn book is interesting because it reads like a FW Imperial Armour book. Almost like French wrote the short tales for a Black Book (like he already did for the Isstvan trilogy) but it was finally put together as a novel without unit profiles and scenarios.
>>96291051Half the Siege of Terra is from the pov of various humans most of whom are solar auxillia
>>96291117that's fanart, a modified collage of Black Books art
>>96289381>what Legion has the best chance to support a Saturnine-only army in long term? Salamanders hands down.
Vulkan rediscovered the tech and made it possible once again, it would stand to reason that the Salamanders could field them en-force
>>96291123>>96291130Damn thanks for talking me. It's a shame I really like how the green pcb looks with black
>>96290940why are you so intense about some books?
sounds like you're projecting something
>>96291121Yep, Tallarn is written like a 30k version of Vraks with lots of tanks.
>>96289896>>96289810Someone critique please
>>96291093>invented by FWMore like invented by one dude at FW and they just made them the focus of IA because fuck it. GW took them and kept going, because fuck it. Basically, SA exist because fuck it.
>>96291203The SA was invented for the same reason that the Mechanicum Taghmata, BA Dawnbreakers, dick bikes, Ruinstorm Daemons, or IW Tyrant Terminators were also invented: FW didn't really want people using the same minis (or with the same name) in more than one game.
>>96291249>FW didn't really want people using the same minis (or with the same name) in more than one game.Which is why they put Phobos Land Raiders, Castraferrum dreads, Leman Russes, Baneblades, etc. into the game that only had 40k models, while also instructing people to use Codex: Chaos Daemons. You're confusing FW with GW, who made 30k their own Leman Russes, Baneblades and other vehicles. None of this still doesn't explain why SA in particular, rather than something more generic Imperial Army. It's like GW making minis for Elysians and making all of IG Elysian pattern drop troops. Because SA models existed due to one dude and FW took them and ran with them, instead of designing something else.
>Mechanicum TaghmataThey existed before 40k Mechanicus had models.
>dick bikesWhat 40k jetbikes were available as an alternative?
>Ruinstorm DaemonsThe ones that used 40k models? FW had only a handful of models.
>IW Tyrant TerminatorsAs an alternative to... 30k Cataphractii with CML had existed before the Tyrants.
>>96290653>. Is it possible to build a functional HH army with plastic kits only? I have 10 Guards, 5 Wardens, 9 Termies and 12 Bikers.Yup, bikes and sentinels (the regular guys with spears or swords and shields) are functional and quite good. It wont be a very interesting list, but its custodes you know what youre in for.
>>96291304>Phobos Land Raiders, Castraferrum dreads, Leman Russes, Baneblades, etc.All these were originally FW models or the rules were designed to encourage players to use the FW versions. That's why HH russes have no sponsons.
>You're confusing FW with GWNo, you are the one confused in the order of events
>Because SA models existed due to one dude and FW took them and ran with themFor one reason only: it was a way to field human troops without using 40k IG models
>Taghmata existed before 40k Mechanicus had models.Alan knew that 40k AdMech was coming or was told not do it (because Jess Godwin had seniority and first gibs, I guess). Hence him pulling from his hairy ass a force that had never existed in the lore before in 40k or 30k. Btw, 40k AdMech was already a thing in other games.
>What 40k jetbikes were available as an alternative?The Bullock style jetbikes. Like the one used by Samael, in the early Heresy WS books, or in the custodes models that were also in the pipeline
>Ruinstorm DaemonsYes the ones whose rules favour without shame their resin models and pretend that the classic 40k/fanrtasy models do not exist despite being featured in the HH books
>IWThe IW signature unit since forever were Iron Havocs. Tyrant Terminators are a rip off from that previous Visions UM art, yes. Probably because back then the authors were also into the UMbad zeisgeist of 5th ed, until Abnett fixed it with Know No Fear
FW basically created their own version of the HH to sell their resin. Which is more or less fine if you squint your eyes and pretend the game only covers a part of the possible battles, I guess. Or it was until the Specialist Games Studio went full retard with retcons, mischaracterizations, and shitty designs. Nowadays the HH game setting is almost an alternate universe to the actual past of 40k and the HH books
>>96287466Funny how all the conversions are desperately trying to hide the model's BIRTHING HIPS.
>>96289830Hahahah, no anon, you'll get refreshed Custodes to include ~30% female models in every box and a female character model(the only character model they'll release with the new style/proportions) and you'll fucking like it. Remember: inclusion only counts if it comes at the expense of what's already there, so an order of warrior women(let alone ones who don't speak - jeezo the dangerhairs could write multiple PHDs about the "problematic implications" of that one) might as well not exist, only inserting women into an existing primarily or exclusively male faction is Real Progress.
>>96289896I fear it. I fear that list, with three big vehicles, is a counter to my list with three LR spearheads. I think killing those Vindicators is key, and I really hope the answer isn't Cavalry, which I'm not into
>>96291452And there are no bare heads, because these are GWs first Female Space Marines.
>>96291492LR aren't too worried. If your opponent focuses them down it mesns their angry contents get to ravage their soft infantry
>>96291492What would you do with the other 250 points to make your day even worse?
>>96291051>SAuxnope
>ArmyLegion is 90% about the Geno Five-Two Chiliad, a regiment of genic ubermench commanded by cabals of borderline-loli psyker chicks. Tallarn is good if you like armour war. Otherwise it's pretty slim pickins.
>>96290972>>96291036Yes and no. As the other anon said, it was basically creeping fire, the difference between that and what IW were doing was, "Hey what if we willingly did danger close artillery?"
>>96291481I think I'm the only guy who never cared enough about the Custodes to see them having women in their ranks as a problem. If anything it helps differentiate them further from the Space Marines, an interesting juxtaposition between the golden elite who are both sexes and the grunts who are exclusively men, expendable brutes meant to live and die for war while the Custodes keeps the Emperor safe and cozy in his big shack on Terra. Speaking of which, all female Custodes are definitely even more attractive than the Sisters of Silence (and later on, Sororitas) so it makes sense that they'd be based off of female bodybuilders.
>>96291562Custodes being bespoke creations of the Emperor makes me alright with Amazonians.
>>96291021>Also that's just a particularly close range creeping barrage.Yeah but the Iron Warriors wouldn't reinvent that tactic until the Horus Heresy was already in full swing. They spent hundreds of years employing artillery before one warsmith decided to pioneer this tactic in the IW. Meanwhile the DA had dedicated specialists for this at least since Caliban's assimilation.
>>96291437>originallyAnd by the time SA came about, most of the stuff was available only through 40k kits. Or at least there was no reason to buy FW kits for said units unless it contained a gun you wanted (and didn't want to convert) or liked the style more.
>That's why HH russes have no sponsons.Militia ones had, until GW took over and introduced the 30k Russ kit without sponsons. The same way they introduced Predator Annihilators into 30k with the plastic Deimos Predator.
>No, you are the one confused in the order of eventsA lot of stuff that didn't have dedicated 30k models disappeared in 2.0. Meaning FW was more fine with having them around than GW.
>For one reason only: it was a way to field human troops without using 40k IG modelsNone of this refutes what I said about one guy making them and FW taking them, instead of making generic 30k IA models instead.
>Hence him pulling from his hairy ass a force that had never existed in the lore before in 40k or 30k. Legio Cybernetica with robots was a thing back in RT. And if they were so against using 40k models, why did Mechanicum have options that only existed as 40k models?
>Btw, 40k AdMech was already a thing in other games.As cybernetic IG in robes.
>The Bullock style jetbikes.Yes, FW making MkXIV pattern jetbikes would not have sold, people would've just bought dozens of Sammaels instead.
>custodes modelsThe ones people have converted into SM jetbikes? How did that work out for you, FW?
>Yes the ones whose rules favour without shame their resin models and pretend that the classic 40k/fanrtasy models do not exist despite being featured in the HH booksOutside of characters and brutes, what FW Ruinstorm models were back in 1.0? And through Books 1-7, your only option was using Codex: Chaos Daemons because Ruinstorm list did not exist and the HH rules acknowledged this. So much for FW not wanting you to use 40k models.
>The IW signature unit since forever were Iron Havocs.These Iron Havocs?
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>>96291562>>96291593First off, you're a coom-brained simp and likely a nogames.
Second of all, female custodes in m42 was never a problem with Cawl running around and Roboute's reforms. What is, was, and will remain a problem is GW doubling down and saying there were always female custodes and Warhammer is not for chuds.
Third, real chads want a deathworld or tribal gf.
>>96291668female custodes were very silent for four decades.
>96291668
Cry yourself a river, build a bridge and get the fuck over it already.
>>96291607>, most of the stuff was available only through 40k kitsyou're not making any sense. The point is that those were FW kits
>Militia ones hadMilitia was and is a concession army without models. It's not even the real Imperial Army, just third rate forces
>disappeared in 2.0. Meaning FWFW as we knew it no longer existed by HH2. By Crusade it was the SGS
>None of this refutes what I said about one guy making them and FW taking them, instead of making generic 30k IA models instead.You're still missing the point that not being IA models was the point. They needed a distinct aesthetic
>Mechanicum See above. Making it different was the point. Even the name. The AdMech already had skitarii and other units defined many years for many years before the HH game, even if didn't had 28mm minis
>Codex: Chaos Daemonsnobody gave a fuck or played it. It was on the same level as playing with the 6th ed ork codexes
>These Iron Havocs?You mean those with subpar rules, no unique models, and sidelined for fanfiction Tyrants? Yes. Not as bad as refusing to acknowledge Sanguinary Guard or Atramentar, but still
>>96291713The shill cries out in pain even as he strikes you.
>>96290117It keeps him alive to fist things I suppose.
>>96290354I don't want DA gaining phosphex yet DG gaining mere AP5 alchem.
Give DA disintegration and plasma and let phosphex & alchem to the Death Guard. Along with some decent scythes.
We need a rules writer who likes DG :(
>>96291668>female custodes in m42 was never a problemfemstodes do not make sense in any era. The whole point of them is being the antiquity version of the medieval marines, with the Sisters of Silence being the same vs. Sororitas. Strongly segregated martial orders. Alexander's companions and the Amazonians.
Their gender duality is baked in their design since they were reinvented for Visions of Heresy. And its a subject matter in pretty much all their tales. Even those by ADB despite you may expect. Whoever was pushing for femstodes at Nottingham, it doesn't seem to have been him.
>>96291154Man that is a beefy looking Contemptor.
>>96290910Send an email to GW asking about it.
Make sure to call them out for being greedy niggers too.
>>96291731Who's shilling what, exactly? There are no Femstodes miniatures.
>>96291783The camer adds ten pounds
>>96291774The issue is that all DA lore is wank, so naturally you can - in that same spirit - justify all the special toys for them. Just about the only area where they arent the specialest little boys is psychic powers, and even then im sure some faggot wrote how they have all sorts of secret DAOT psychic tech.
>>96291799Yet.
If we are lucky, the backlash could scare GW into backtracking, but you know what it's said about hope in this setting...
>>96287864No, Loyalist World Eater are never long for this galaxy, they all died in a final battle with the Night Lords before the Siege of Terra.
>>96291817That's a big bayonet lmao
Seriously though, GW has never backtracked on anything. They're too bull-headed to ever show any regret publicly.
>>96291814Generally the first version of something is also the worst, just saying
>>96291730>you're not making any sense. The point is that those were FW kitsSo your literal argument is that FW didn't want people using 40k models, which is why they put units into the game that had either alternative models available via 40k or only 40k models?
>Militia was and is a concession army without models.So why remove Militia Russ sponsons in 2.0? Is it because they released a Russ kit without sponsons for 30k?
>You're still missing the point that not being IA models was the point. They needed a distinct aestheticAnd you're missing the point that FW picked the already made SA, whether they fit or not, rather than making proper generic IA models with their vision of 30k aesthetics.
>Making it different was the point.And considering how 40k Admech aren't cybernetic IG either, they could've made all sorts of things without it stepping on 40k toes.
>nobody gave a fuck or played it.I accept your concession.
>You mean those with subpar rulesSo a lot of 30k stuff.
>no unique modelsWhat was the line? "If you can't convert your own, you're in the wrong hobby"? That's what I was told for ever a decade whenever I point out what units lacked models or options.
>>96291830They backtrack when money is on the line. See the Legacy PDF, whichh was clearly damage control.
>>96291856That's not backtracking though, just ineptitude.
>>96291848>your literal argument is that FW didn't want people using 40k modelsyes, and GW doesn't want you using 30k models in 40k either. It has not been done at all the same time, sure. But it's a clear trend since they killed Imperial Armour and FW stopped releasing 40k minis save rare oddities like the Astraeus (probalby because it was already done before the decision). Or including the retarded primaris Hammerfal bunker in HH2 (probably because it sold like shit, or the IF shill in the HH team loves it)
If you can't tell that GW does a deliberate effort to keep apart mini ranges, you're blind. The SA dude didn't just get lucky, it was a deliberate way for FW to not need to use 40k-like IG models in the HH. That's why the Chimera still doesn't have rules.
>>96291863Are you going to pretend that the no models no rules bullshit is not a mandate at GW? come on
>there still isn't a bespoke model kit for Enigmatii
Unforgiveable.
I do enjoy the musclegirl brainworm catching on in Horus Heresy as well. Soon, even Terra shall be ours!
>>96291946Seems like kitbashing beakies with Necromunda needle pistols would be a good bet
>>96291946>>96291983>Infantry (Champion, Antigrav)How are they defying gravity without jump packs?
>>96292017jump packs are no longer wargear?
>>96291946all 3 models in the unit are champions? That's has the potential to be incredibly fucking annoying
>>96291965Broo no I don't want to be a literal (human) race traitor. See, if chaos was actually alluring like that instead of looking like AIDS BDSM, there would be virtue in resisting it.
When chaos is ugly, there's no temptation to be overcome; it's merely avoiding the obvious danger.
>>96292046Eh, theyre really fragile for the cost and dont hit too hard in melee. But yea, they have some nice things going for them (their grenade launcher is nuts, stun(3) or something)
>>96292038They aren't. They saved a whole 40 cents printing all the libers because of that
>>96292033I choose to believe they're running super quickly on the air like Bleach characters.
>>96292038no, it simplifies a lot of similar rules that had weird interactions with other rules, like various wings, styles of jump pack etc
>>96291907you're a fucking idiot
>>96291965Where's that art from?
>>96292118He got it from this dipshit
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>>96291965If genestealer women had hair, they would be dangerous. It's like it was a hollywood movie lmao
>>96292113do you work for goonhammer or something? lol
>>96291754>>96290117I'm going through the Legends now and a few things I've noticed so far:
>Why the fuck would anyone PAY to swap a Palatine Blade for a Phoenix Rapier? Unrelated, but stuck with me.>World Eaters can give their Heralds Caerbaer Weapons. So you could have one with the Phage (s) whip, or just give him the good old reliable Falax Blades for 8 WS6 ap3 attacks.>...+D6 if you go for flurry of blows as well.>Death Guard have a prime option of giving him a fourth wound, which might be worth it on the Terminator Herald.>...also, the Alchem caster is just better than the Alchem Flamer in every respect but costs less.>Heavy Alc Flamer has a niche of being Assault... and also a Pintle and Sponson mount option... which usually aren't that.>Death Guard tank can return Volley Fire with Poisoned (3+) templates, potentially 3 of them, which usually isn't a thing for vehicles?>Deathshrouds can all take Meltabombs, as a tasty treat.So far nothing too relevant though... aside from the World Eater Blender-Herald.
>>96292130I assume it's not official art, since it's depicting a female entity in a remotely attractive light. Something GW has no experience with, being from Nottingham.
>>96292174>>Why the fuck would anyone PAY to swap a Palatine Blade for a Phoenix Rapier?Theyre D2 on the charge right?
But yea, WE caedere weapons arent crazy any more but theres some interesting options in there for characters.
>>96292197It's telling just how insanely bonkers they were that they've been nerfed so heavily and they're STILL really good.
Remind me, old Falax Blades literally had something absolutely dumb like Breaching 4+ or something didn't they?
On the DG side of things, I do kind of like how their Predators can now just run about, daring people to charge them and then fuck them over with three Poison 3+ flamer shots.
They're not even heavy either, so you can just slam them onto a Vet HWSS and have them warcrime the fuck out of people on the volley. Jesus, you could put a Mortalis Mori in there as well and abuse the firestorm ability to double shoot stuff every turn... once you got into range.
>>96292234>Remind me, old Falax Blades literally had something absolutely dumb like Breaching 4+ or something didn't they?Rending 4+ and +2A (iirc).
They were the universal blender.
I think they should have kept rending 4+ but been Ap5 or something. Would have been a really funny niche for them
>>96292174>>...also, the Alchem caster is just better than the Alchem Flamer in every respect but costs less.>>Heavy Alc Flamer has a niche of being Assault... and also a Pintle and Sponson mount option... which usually aren't that.Thank you for reporting this error, anon. This mistake cannot go uncorrected - we shall nerf alchem casters as to make things balanced :D
Nah, it's got S3 (doesn't matter) and AP- (doesn't matter), so that's why. Epic balance. Boy I wish scythes were even worse ho ho ho
>>96292174Did you see that assault destroyers can't take rad launchers?
>>96292234Ooooh for volley fire. Vehicles get to do that now trueee omg
>Sergeant's head plume broke off on my HSS
Eh, fuck it. He's an expendable bastard anyway.
>>96292299Glue it back on?
>>96292234It's poison 2+. And yeah no flamer is heavy. But Moritats don't confer volley fire to every model, right? Just the option to not go through with the charge; everyone still snapshots with whatever they could snapshoot with.
Plus, you need Implacable Advance to volley with non-assault guns
Are there any descriptions in the books about what an Excindio-class looks like?
>>96292174>Death Guard have a prime option of giving him a fourth wound, which might be worth it on the Terminator Herald.Centurions only
>>96292307No, it's too late, I shaved off the nub and painted over it.
>>96292270I mean, the Legends PDF definitely did not get a balance pass at all. Hence Shrapnel Pistols not having Pistol or Assault... because Asphyx Bolters stole them.
>>96292328What a cute guy.
>>96292354Dang. I keep forgetting thats it's own thing now.
>>96292328I always sorta assumed there was no "standard" excindio. Theyre basically enslaved DAOT ai, basically shackled mechanical demons kept under loose control. They probably have all sorts of different and alien forms using technology beyond what the imperium has.
>>96292328Not physical but it says they are a lot more agile and nimble than the mecanicum automata so tracks don't really come to mind
>People crying and shitting themselves over lost wargear options in 3.0
>Me, who started as a poorfag way back when, having disassembled numerous second hand models to salvage them, and had to change build and painted models to keep them legal after a edition change since 3rd
>>96292328We need more cool Mechanicoom models.
>People crying, raging and shitting themselves over lost wargear options in 3.0
>Me, starting out as a poorfag way back when, having disassembled numerous second hand models to salvage them, and having to change many build and painted models to keep them legal after a new edition change since 4th edition dropped
>>96292328I think the Necromunda plastic Van Saar Arachni-rigs could be a good base, if they weren't the actual inspiration.
Van Saar is the designated AoT tech factoin after all.
Playing a game today, top of 3 RG v IF. Currently 12-5 RG.
>>96292314>you need Implacable Advance to volley with non-assault gunsHeavy Alchem flamers are assault.
>>96292440I hope the IF player suffers. Or wait no they're into that, uhm... I hope the IF player has an entirely unremarkable game.
>>96292358>Hence Shrapnel Pistols not having Pistol or Assault... because Asphyx Bolters stole them.Mega ass REEEE
Indeed it was no balance at all, merely damage control; ineffective, at that.
Somewhat related, now Tartaros and Cataphractii cost the same and have the same options... then why keep them as separate unit entries? Terminator Praetors and Termie Centurions are a single entry with a choice of cata or tartaros, now that they are equal.
Why not at a unit level? Unironically what keeps them from it? Even more so, look at this:
Why can't you have 12 Tartaros, seeing how you can have 12 Cataphractii already???
>>96292424>the models, prices, and rules have been getting worse for over 20 years and I've been a paypig eating slop the whole time :)weird flex but ok
https://www.goonhammer.com/horus-heresy-building-narrative-armies-in-the-age-of-darkness/
>>96292429Courtesy of an anon many threads ago
>Expendable gets turned off whenever any character joins this unit
>This Retinue unit
Well good luck the IW prime lets me make any unit Expendable, and-
>High Command units have no Prime benefits
Bro why are IW so mega fucking bad? Literally their only good thing is their trait that lets them die on their feet, as opposed to die on the floot (still dies btw).
Every hour that passes is an hour John French goes unraped...
>>96292502It's this shit that makes people believe when someone says that ChatGPT wrote 70% of 3.0.
>>96292552Why would the unit be expendable if a commander is in it? I know Pert didn't give a shit about even the highest ranking of his osns but in the context of a battle you can't just throw away a commander
>>96292553Beware; Artificial Intelligence has successfully recreated Natural Stupidity now
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>>96292328>4 gatlings>No ammo belt going into the 4 the gatlings>that thing would need a munition carrier the size of a bus to fire more than 3 seconds.>Stormbolter with no ammoWhy do Retards do this ?
>>96292552There is literally zero reason to take dominators any more now that terminator command squads can go up to 10. Command squads can take a banner too, making them the superior unit to escort a character. Dominators are as obsolete in the game as they are in the lore.
>>96292463We called it end of 3, I killed his line with destroyers and seekers and got ahead. He was too elite. Vanguard 2 with Destroyers and Rad Missiles is wild.
>>96292579You don't know much about the Mechanicum, do you?
>>96292579Who said they fire physical ammo? Besides, it's DAoT shit, for all we know the ammo just teleports into the barrel
>>96292573>you can't just throw away a commanderWouldn't it be funny if the IW prime was being literally worthless? xDDD ///_///_///_///
There's literally no good thing about the entire Iron Warriors legion in 3.0 besides maybe their trait, and that's it
>>96292358>Hence Shrapnel Pistols not having Pistol or AssaultI emailed them about this from six different accounts.
>>96292574It's crazy how even /r/edditors are much more tech savvy than 4chanfags now.
Most people here don't even go through the simple steps of training an IA to do things (even with a single fucking text).
I've seen people here mention they ask chat gpt for units points, or damage stats, with no or bad results. well, no shit, feed him the pdf, give him context and you'll get whatever you like. At this point any shortcoming with IA is user error.
This thing really is only old 50 years old boomer.
>>96292606You shouldn't need to teach an assistant basic math after investing literal billions into creating him. And don't say it's not a calculator; it is advertised as one.
>>96292602Did you tell them how Shrapnel bolters used to get their version of Fury of the Legion and now they don't?
Actual Rites of War died for...this
>>96292616AI is a bubble for a reason.
>>96292606>At this point any shortcoming with IA is user error.Bullshit. I use the paid pro versions of those at work every day, and they fuck up details everytime. They're nothing but stocastic parrots, and you need to review carefully anything they say.
>>96292598Why do answering your fanfic shortcoming with even more unofficial fanfic shortcoming even mean anything ?
>>96292600>Who said they fire physical ammo?Because, retard, there is 2 belt with physical ammo connecting to the this just right there., just no magazine.
>Besides, it's DAoT shit, for all we know the ammo just teleports into the barrelyour headcannon is just your headcannon. If you can teleport bullet, just teleport them into whatever you want to kill.
You're, somehow, arguing about a shit model that isn't yours while you're the worst painter here and most of your shit is either grey or not even glued.
>>96292593Good. How much Line did he bring? Only two units of 10 tacticals or something?
Breachers are actually looking quite good this edition. Sure, Line 1 instead of 2, but at least they stay alive with a 5+ invulnerable save and getting toughness 5 with a reaction.
>>96292593Good to hear that Destroyers performed for you.
Did you use Volkite or Hand Flamers?
>>96292634The Kaban Machine is not fanfiction, retard. And the point is that the Mechanicum designs do not need to make sense. It's 50% religious dogma.
Tell me why I'm stupid for wanting to paint my guys as Blood Ravens
>>96292658That's basically already a canon Thousand Sons scheme, just do candy red instead of matte red
>>96292658Blackshields won't get rules till ~October
It's wild to me that Saturnine terminators didn't get a heavy bolter option.
I'm gonna run 3 with dual bombards for a while until the MK2 Assaults and Plastic Breachers come out but I'd have loved to have some big lumbering heavy bolter (or autocannon) platforms.
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>>96292579>Stormbolter with no ammoOh, look, another blind retard is blind for the purpose of starting shit over nothing...
>>96292658Because Corvidae TS are the WAAC faction this edition and nobody will want to play with you
>>96292579>>No ammo belt going into the 4 the gatlings>literally two visible ammo belts leading into the weapon>>that thing would need a munition carrier the size of a bus to fire more than 3 seconds.>thing literally pulling ammo out of its enormous torso
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>>96292658I mean there was a plot thread in the earlier HH books that was clearly set up to be Loyalist Thousand Sons becoming the Blood Ravens, before they got turned into Grey Knights, so it's mostly fine for Blackshields or Loyalist TS.
>>962926372x10 Tacs in rhinos, 1x10 Tac vets with combi bolters in rhino, 1x20 breachers deepstriking via pollux. I did 2x10 Tacs in rhinos, 1x10 breacher and siege breaker in eagle and then...
>>962926471x10 assault destroyed with 2 Rad missile launchers and 1x10 Mortalis Destroyers with 2 serpenta and 2 rad missiles launchers in a rhino.
It was only our second game. The first mission with the 3vp objective in the center. I also brought 2 phosphex rapiers and killed only a handful of vets but they routed all the way off the table turn 3 due to poor rolls.
>>96292834Did you deep strike the Assault Destroyers?
How about the Mortalis, did charging from a rhino hinder you?
Basically I'm wondering if not getting to use Firestorm right away is a penalty.
>think about snowflake OCs as exercise
>want to build them
>they would be incompatible with most armies because of fluff
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Would these be fine to use? I quite like the big swords from the new EC shit, but the armor isnt quite something that existed in HH (also the scale might be all sorts of fucked for all I know)
>>96292907Yeah these are totally fine. The big sword is probably too big for anything short of a Paragon blade though.
>>96292845Yes and my Mortalis never got into CC because nothing was alive on a point. I accidently cheated, I thought rad missiles were still 1 shot blast 3", now they're just 2 shots. Mortalis were on a flank with the phosphex so that tac squad was toast either way and when I did kill them it was 2 marines left so the math was almost fine. That flank had a double las contemptor that was shooting rhinos.
My assaults came down poised to shoot up the breachers but I had a tac squad other flank farming an Objective. That side also had my Seekers and Nex that killed his seekers and a tac squad. We called it after my reserves.
Does IF +1 to shoot work on snap shots? We played it that way so my trait was a bit middling.
>>96292174Continuing my fruitless journey to see what nonsense someone can do with Heralds have led me to this discovery: Terminator Heralds have full access to the Terminator Melee Options list.
The direct benefit of this is of course it allows him to swing a Thunder Hammer about. The indirect benefits of THAT are that:
>Iron Warriors Terminator Heralds can take a Graviton Crusher. Which is now a straight upgrade to the hammer.>Salamanders therefore get the +1 Attack Master Crafter Hammer... although the jury is out on whether you just want to stick to the D3 Fist. I feel that the extra attack to a D2 weapon probably makes the MC Hammer the superior choice.>As discussed, Iron Hands can give their Herald a 5++ Feel No Pain save.That's basically it. The IW and Salamander Hammer options seem pretty interesting, and with the Paragon of Battle Prime benefit, could actually make them pretty murderous little shits in a challenge.
I did have a vague idea about the nonsense you could have putting a WB Herald with a unit of Procurators, but unfortunately they have bitter duty... which at this point, I don't think any command choices have? Is that right?
>>96292927That was the plan more or less. Its obviously too big and scary to use as a normal ass power sword (and id hate to have it be that lame anyways)
>>96292932I see.
That's some interesting data, thanks anon.
I want to convert some Destroyers once the MK2 Assault squads are here.
>>96292834That doesn't sound like the IF had too few units with line. More like he left them exposed, without support from other units and thus easy to kill. But wasn't there so what do I know.
>>96292954Yeah base 2 attacks and chainswords will make them nasty. Next game I think I'll start the assault ones on the board and go from there. I might put Nex in the Mortalis for Shrouded and move them up a flank. That way they're far from the center to maintain shrouded.
Also stuck my Praetor in my Augury squad, which was great.
Other notable moments: 5 Dark Furies bounced off 8 Templar Brethren. 10 Plasmaguns in a squad over charging whiffed against said Templar and is what brought them to from 10. 5 Mor Deythan plus Vigilator did 3 wounds to a contemptor and couldn't wound anything else.
>>96293004>Next game I think I'll start the assault ones on the board and go from thereThat's what I'm thinking of doing with mine.
Since I play IW, one of my big brain plans I've hatched is to use a Delegatus to get a second Hammer of Olympia, then run 2x 5 man squads with Volkite and have them zoom up the board turn 1 to try and find me a good opening.
>>96293012Forgot to say I needed a second HoO so both squads are Expendable.
>>96292985Using his Tacs to shoot my seekers and destroyers for spicy return fire was a mistake on his part. He had a spartan for 10 templar and Praetor, 10 rotors i pinned so they got stuck, a kheres dread, and las dread. He spread out too much. Had he picked the center and a flank and just camped with Tacs he would have scored more. Return fire I rolled hot with the seekers. But it was a learning game and he's more about bringing what he wants and throwing dice. Best opponent you'll find.
>>96293053>Using his Tacs to shoot my seekers and destroyers for spicy return fireLmao what an idiot
>>96292637My retard take: Breachers should be 100 pts. Sure they gain the shields, but also lose Fury of the Legion and 1 Line. One thing for the other
How are TS Destroyers with Asphyx pistols?
What about Destroyers with hand flamers?
>>96293150I think volkite beats flamers in most cases.
>>96293197I wanted to see the math for Volkite destroyer damage against meq:
Assuming a unit of 10 destroyers, you're getting 40 shots, ~27 hits, 18 wounds, 6 unsaved wounds (which then cause 6 more hits, 4 wounds, and around 1.3 unsaved wounds).
For a total of around 7.3 wounds against meq.
Factoring in firestorm, a unit of ten should easily expect to murder a ten man tactical squad per turn, and will probably average around 15 dead marines most of the time.
>>96292932IF should get the +1 on snap shots, as it's worded they get it on any firing group over 5 dice, and from what I've read nothing about snapshots says they can't be modified. Then again I'm biased and wasn't looking that hard.
>>96293265Fresh bread
>>96293265Phone posting good luck
>>96293267We didn't see anything in the core book but we didn't double check the IF wording. Every edition his IF lists somehow counter my stuff in new and creative ways and it drives me up a wall lmao.
>>96293112They also gain some limited special weapon access? Although admittedly that should be free.
>>96291562>I think I'm the only guy who never cared enough about the Custodes to see them having women in their ranks as a problemI'm here too
>>96292601Knowing their one weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them. Until they reached their preprogrammed kill-limit and shut down.
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