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Sayonara Carbonara Edition

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>TQ
What are some of the older mechanics that you would like to see making a comeback?

>>96288215 (OP)
banding

>>96288215 (OP)
>tq
cumulative upkeep would be cool

Why are we still seething about farewell

>>96288070
Battle - Hold is basically just a planeswalker but an enchantment. Battle - Strive would be a nightmare to annotate the rules for, something like "When a creature deals damage to this battle, note the controller of that creature and place that many counters on it" I think a better use for Hold would be something like a high powered or well-costed effect, it starts with X combat counters on it which ticks down on your end step, AND players can swing at it to make it go away sooner. X would have to be an obnoxious number like 8-10 to entice swings at it, but otherwise there's no real problem.

>>96288215 (OP)
>>TQ
Cipher

>>96288215 (OP)
>TQ
Evolve. This little bastard has been an all-star in my Tidus deck.

>>96288215 (OP)
Adios!

>>96288215 (OP)
>tq
Banding.
Horsemanship
Phasing
Actual upkeep costs on powerful creatures and other permanents.

I want more echo.

>>96288260
Dude I love Evolve. Do you have the Tyranid that gives all of your creatures evolve? It's like a 0/4 for 3 or something. I need to pick up that little guy too. They also just made Pollywog Prodigy which is amazing and I need to slot in. Since you have Tidus, you have any advice from my list of stuff from last thread?
>>96287390
>>96287132
>TQ
Graft, it's Evolve's weird brother, and I'd adore if a creature had both. Adapt is another one, given they're the mutant Trifecta of weird +1/+1 counter mechanics.
>>96287529
Sorry for the late reply, fell asleep there. I don't mind adjusting them out, any other advice?

I WANT MORE BESTOW COMMANDER!!! WHY DO WE ONLY GOT ONE BESTOW COMMANDER??!!

>>96288244
nevermind, multiplayer battles just don't work under the type, at least not for this intent.
>310.4b A battle has the intrinsic ability “This permanent enters with a number of defense counters
on it equal to its printed defense number.” This ability creates a replacement effect (see rule
614.1c).
>310.6. Damage dealt to a battle results in that many defense counters being removed from it
>310.8a As a battle enters the battlefield, its controller chooses a player to be its protector. Which
players may be chosen as its protector are determined by its battle type (see rule 310.11). If it
has no battle types, its controller becomes its protector.
>310.8b A battle’s protector can never attack it. A battle can be attacked by any attacking player for
whom its protector is a defending player. Notably, a Siege battle can be attacked by its own
controller.
>310.8f A battle can have only one protector at a time. A battle’s protector stops being its protector if
another player becomes its protector.
>310.10. If a battle that isn’t being attacked has no player designated as its protector, or its protector is a
player who can’t be its protector based on its battle type, its controller chooses an appropriate player
to be its protector. If no player can be chosen this way, the battle is put into its owner’s graveyard.
This is a state-based action (see rule 704).

so Hold and Contest would work, a Hold's controller would be its protector and a Contest would have the contested cliffs clause, and 310.10 takes over when control changes. the issue is that defense is hard coded to be a single value, not a value per player, and technically Contests would also still have to have some value for defense.
I don't see anything inherently wrong with Hold overlapping with, say the small planeswalkers from WAR. planeswalkers are divisive, so there might be some value in an experiment to see if people think a temporary enchantment is fine.

This seems pretty wild, why don't people use it vs other overrun effects?

>>96288215 (OP)
>What are some of the older mechanics that you would like to see making a comeback?
beautiful tits which stun your opponent who is only playing ugly hambeasts like kinnan

>>96288233
is this meta?

>>96288342
>forgot pic
oops

>>96288342
>>96288353
Didn't buff your creatures.

>sit down at a pod where nobody will ever fucking attack unless their creatures are 100% safe
OHHHHH BROTHERRRR

>>96288230
fpbp

>>96288368
IT'S TIME

>>96288230
>>96288376
i love banding purely because whenever it comes up retarded redditors will do this big performance about how OHHH ITS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND UHHHH I DONT GET IT

>>96288234
Because pillow fort bois get utterly btfo by it

>>96288350
no

>>96288215 (OP)
>>96288264
>>96288234
>>96288386
>Farewell
Every time I see it played I have to suppress that part of me that wants to scream SAYONARA NIGGAAAA

>>96288368
>attack with a 1/1 on turn 2
>become archenemy
playing with randoms is exhausting sometimes

>>96288368
Not today

>>96288234
Artifact and graveyard shitters don't like being interacted with.
They don't have strong constitutions like creature chads.

>>96288297
>Do you have the Tyranid that gives all of your creatures evolve?
Not necessary in my build. Everything is ridiculously small because Tidus turns every creature with a counter into Tarmogoyf and curving into Tidus and starting a steady stream of triggers wins games. My 3+ cmc creatures curve awkwardly with Tidus so they need to do better on value or create a runaway snowball game state on their own rather than just granting evolve. I'd be playing 10 copies of bot brawler if I could.
>Since you have Tidus, you have any advice from my list of stuff from last thread?
No. You're clearly married to the precon cards and many of them they need to go.

>>96288386
>A pillowfort chad not running dawns truce, clever concealment, tpro, and/or perch protection
What kinda scrubs

>>96288215 (OP)
>TQ
Spellshaper abilities. They were completely phased out of existence since discarding a card as part of a cost kinda sucks, but because of powercreep, any new spellshapers that get printed would have insane options to choose from. a lot of the older spellshapers were printed with awful spells as their ability, but imagine a spellshaper today with Mana Geyser. I love the theme of them and I think there's a lot of cool flavor and storytelling potential in stapling existing spells onto creatures if those spells have narrative significance

>>96288448
Botanical Brawler looks sick. And yeah I'm pretty married to some of the precon cards like Auron, Wakka, Kimahri, and Rikku. I'm probably gonna be trapped in the mid quality til I get over that, but how do you feel about Sunscorch Regent and Bane of Progress? I'm considering cutting both of them purely for high cmc.

>What are some of the older mechanics that you would like to see making a comeback?
Flanking. I think it's been on a few cards but I'd like to see more.

Funniest card of all time?

>>96288488
Got it in one

>>96288488
Hehe

>>96288488
>Cast scheming symmetry
>Then cast this
>double scoops

>>96288313
They already have one that draws a card, what else can they possibly do? Untap all lands? Untap all lands, draw a card? Untap all lands, draw a card and play an additional land this turn?
We only have so many things we are allowed to do these days!

>>96288482
they're bad and will lose you games. bop is replaceable and please play something that will actually win you games instead of a stupid boomer dragon that wasn't even good 10 years ago.

>>96288488
IF you play with emotional timmies, Mages' Contest is hilarious.

>>96288466
spellshapers do a ton of work in EDH because they turn any card in your deck into a useful spell. We did get one as a throwback on the otherside of invasion of mercadia.
The bigger issue is spellcasters are from mercadia and we're never going back there

>>96288513
Looks like fun to combine with Ob Nix Unshackled.

>>96288234
I don't hate farewell, I hate the mouth-breathers that top deck and play it without any game plan.

>>96288513
Or play that with Stranglehold. Everyone else can get fucked.

>>96288525
I fuggin love Sunscorch Regent in Azorius fliers

>>96288513
Lorwyn kino.

>>96288525
Damn that bitch is pushed
I'm starting to really hate counter decks

>>96288525
Okay I can understand that, I'll cut both
I'm sorta tempted by Lighthouse Chronologist, or is that too dumb? I'll probably slot in that little guy you posted, the 1 drop. Holy shit Ouroborid looks fucking sick, it's fight rigging or Maester seymour on steroids. That pricey?

>>96288525
>>96288547
man what a cuck in the dick

I just had an embarrassing game
>me playing Tatyova
>other players on Rashmi, Terra, and Queen Marchesa
>T&N in opening hand. Keep
>don't do anything, don't cast any ramp spells all game
>keep my head down, miraculously don't get targeted
>hit 9 mana and go for it
>Ashaya + Quirion Ranger on the field
>draw my deck
>realize I don't have enough mana to cast thoracle
>fuck
>realize I can't draw out because I have Abundance
>pass turn in shame
>Rashmi player tries to bounce Ashaya so he can cyc rift
>he dies to a curse trigger on cast
>Terra player tries to reanimate a disenchant etb creature
>cast constant mists
>marchesa can't do anything
>I cast thoracle and win
I mean, I still won, but for a deck that is usually pretty explosive, that was fucking pitiful.

>>96288547
I will still play her in Minwu

>>96288562
>he's a minwu chad

>>96288534
The game plan, faggot, is you had a better board from me and now you don't.

>>96288572
Game over.

>>96288559
Kill yourself

My Farewell drop is different than others.

>>96288645
9/10 I'm just exiling graveyards

>>96288432
oh yeah?

>>96288528
>bid 39 life to counter their commander
i think the rage this would generate would be able to power a city

>generic draw card commander that sits on top of a generic grixis shell (it's just full of tutors for thassas oracle and demonic consultation)
Do people that play decks like this actually enjoy playing this game? I can only imagine that sawing in half a hoarding broodloord to thoracle combo every fucking game must get old

art is cool though

>Starting Town is over thirty fucking dollars
>Not even used in standard
What the actual fuck, dudes? Is a conditional City of Brass really so good it costs twice the price?

>>96288688
Tell that to cEDH faggot that had resolved thoracle a thousand times.

>>96288688
If you aren't playing Kefka with hellbent things and inflicting as much pain as possible, I don't know why you'd pick him in the first place. Thoracle is a waste of his talents.

>I'm thinking about trying out vivi
>We aren't playing with you anymore if you do

>>96288698
for 4-5 color decks 100% yes

>>96288688
It's a miserable card. If I sit down for a game I sort of expect to see things like this as standard fare though, it's the sort of decks the NPCs of the EDH world play.

>>96288716
Tell them your playing izzet enchantress with Vivi not the tryhard Curiosity spellslinger.

>>96288230
Funniest way to fuck over trampling.

tell me your opinion of this guy at my LGS based purely on his decks:
>Ulalek
>Edgar Markov
>Hashaton
>Vivi Ornitier
>Chulane

>>96288752
Tryhard without a lot of money over compensating

>>96288752
He's still angry about a fistfight he lost in third grade. Has hobbies outside of magic but hasn't made headway on them in multiple years. Reasonable technical skill at magic but dogshit at actual strategy. Would be a reasonable dude to hang out with if he got over himself. Has a decent job but is unemployed often. Last girlfriend broke up with him two years ago.

>>96288752
Once lost to Craw Wurm.

>>96288752
it actually pisses me off because every single one of those is a pubstomper commander. None of them are good at CEDH, but ALL of those are absurdly fucking good at stomping on mid-power decks. Incredibly oppressive midrange shitter commanders.

>>96288785
>none of them are good at cedh
>Hashaton and Vivi
You don't have to have opinions on things you don't know anything about.

>>96288660
>mfw throw an Excalibur on my insect and let him slap his indestructible ass against the man who made him a bug in the first place

>>96288752
probably takes the game and its outcome a bit too seriously

>>96288670
It's actually surprisingly easy to get bad players to lose 15+ life just to keep their mediocre turn 4.

A nice bonus is that you can bid however much you want without restriction (this is not "paying" life). So if you really want to get shot, stabbed, and/or banned from your LGS for life, you can bid 999 against someone trying to win and ruin both your chances.

>>96288807
Who gives a flying shit about CEDH

Why do they use the small letter for c in the cEDH abbreviation?

>>96288807
>Samwise is meta over there
soul

>>96288791
just because I’m incorrect doesn’t mean I’m wrong

>If you even look at my board I'm going to kill you

Is there anything equivalent to the Egyptian Gods in magic? You know canonically powerful but actual pretty shit in game?

>>96288832
Most big creatures

>>96288818
I'm not up to date on that scene, but originally the "competitive" was merely adjectival. There was not a separate banlist, or any modification of the rules - so there was not a thing named "Competitive Elder Dragon Highlander", only "competitive Elder Dragon Highlander".

>>96288832
Basically anything that costs over 4 mana to cast.

>>96288832
Kozilek, you guys Kozilekfag don't need to respond to me.

>>96288688
I hate all the generic as fuck cedh grixis valueslop commanders that all fit identically into the same competative grixis shell. That's why I built malcolm vial smasher since it at least uses some unique cards.

>>96288698
>tfw opened maybe half a box of FF and got 2 starting towns, vivi, buster sword, cloud, and terra
Yes slightly worse city of brass thats standard legal with only 1 printing in a heavily scalped set is worth 30 dollars

>>96288832
The original five elder dragons. They're horrible and still get rightfully pissed on for being shitty when they're suppose to have been incredibly powerful in the lore.

>>96288832
Literally 90% of all gods in the actual game.

>>96288233
I love the creativity of those old cards and their real-world names and mechanics. However, that's a vandal blast that takes 6 turns and costs a ton more mana. Was enchantment removal not a thing back then?

>>96288982
Magic was 1v1 back then and lots of good artifacts were cheap cmc. Usually 1-2 turns out would wipe any good mana rocks and other strong pieces.

>>96288807
I like this channel

> new deck idea
> goldfish and tweak until it consistently curves smoothly into gameplan
> play it at a table
> it sucks
cucked again

>>96289077
Link it pussy

>>96288993
>Mana rocks
My brother that shit was a Static Orb back then.

>>96289144
You're saying people don't abuse this shit back then?

>>96289168
correct

>>96289168
>do nothing

>>96289168
these cards aren't even good if you let players dump all their lands on turn 1 which was how we all played back then TRUTH NUKE

>>96289168
This card is bad

>>96289197
>This card is bad
This but unironically because it only taps for W

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

> p1: (inaudible voice) I put a +1+1 which enters as two +1+1 which triggers my +1+1 to go on my other guy which enters as two which means i draw which means
> p4: I crack my land to look for two lands hold on you can go but I need to shuffle again
> p3: everyone loses two life and I gain two life which then lets me gain more life
> p2: draw, go (looks at phone)
> p3: you lost 4 life so I get to cast card
> p1: (inaudible voice) and now my 25/25 with flying now has vigilance uhhhhhhhhhhhhh no attack, pass
> p3: and now I hit everyone for 6 and I gain 6
> p4: hold on im still shuffling oh I forgot to gain one life from my land last turn
> p2: draw, go (looks at phone)
this game kinda fucking sucks

>>96289247
yeah..

>>96289247
>I forgot to gain one life from my land last turn
the fuck you are, not on my table faggot.
ANY missed trigger will not be recalled.
l2p and gtfo of my game

>>96289168
You mean the card that got banned in Type 2 and restricted in Type 1?

>>96289247
Where's the cheater that will draw 2 on his draw step?

>>96289247
And then P2 will storm off with an infinite combo out of nowhere.

>>96288688
I just like kefka, mine is big spell tribal with a ton of FF cards and no flicker

>Hidetsugu held over a dozen oni in blood oath. At his touch, rocks scorched. At his word, cities burned.
Who dares to challenge to great one?

>>96289391
I can take him

If you put a sticky on Ivy to change its name, then make a copy of Ivy, you'd have Ivy, Gleeful Juggler and a token Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief, right?

So what happens if this guy brings back a creature with * as it's power and toughness? Like Kagemaro who's power and toughness is equal to the cards in your hand. I know these * values are supposed to always be solved but the fact he removes abilities I don't know if it conflicts with that or not.

>>96289523
It comes back as a 0/0, those are called Characteristic Defining Abilities and he has no abilities.

>>96289479
>If you put a sticky
Stop reading.

>>96289391
Some gay unicorns

>>96289197
>that fucking mana rock bad discussion
this is the most luke warm shit take one could ever muster up to be a spicy hot take. The best part is, "dies to removal" is all they can say, without providing a proper alternative
EVERYBODY knows mana rocks are bad and will be removed at some point in the game, while lands probably wont be blasted.

Whats the alternative in Grixis? Not ramping at all?
These content creaters are rage and engagement baiting retards while coming off as the most massive fart sniffers

>>96289534
Makes sense. I knew effects that bring the creatures back or onto the field with certain stats overwrite whatever * would have been but I wasn't sure if that applied here. Guess it does.

>>96289543
stickers are the future

>>96289650
stop stealing my jank

what are the best ways to protect my creatures in Rakdos - especially from the dreaded exile spot removel or board wipe?
Preferably not just instant speed sac outlet, i need to protect my boy so he gets nice and thick

>>96289625
manarocks are good
also grixis has rituals

>>96289686

>>96289716
rituals arent ramp

"Proper" deck construction is a total fucking meme.

>raaaa you need x amount of removal raaaa you need x protection

No you fucking don't. No removal spell has ever won me the game, in order to have enough that matters you'd need to dedicate 20-30% of your deck to it cucking you into being a reactive bitch that's building to lose. You know what else removes threats? Throwing a fuckton of creatures at your opponent's face and forcing them to block. I've never ever been happy to top deck anything that was an on curve creature or draw. When you build with nothing but creatures you don't care about losing and draw nothing your opponents do matters. Board wipe everything including enchantments and artifacts? Oop look at that more creatures I can play every turn more draw to find em. Stax piece? Don't care I'm still swinging. Literally can't swing? GG I wouldn't have drawn the removal I needed anyways.

From now my decks are all gas. I don't give a fuck about anything not stapled to a curvable creature.

>>96289766
Spot removal is not for you to win the game, its for you to not just roll over and die.
Not running much removal has some merit if you are playing Aggro and are simply faster then the rest of the table, so they have to deal with you, before you have to deal with them.

But that is pisseasy to do in green, so stfu with your non take, youre playing in babby mode anyways

Realised that I kinda stumbled into having a pretty decent Ghave deck.
None of the expensive staples like Doubling Season or Anointed Procession, but I've got a decent few of the recent, cheaper token/counter doublers like Loading Zone and Exalted Sunborn.
Is the Shroomguy any fun? Feel like he's the sort've deck you can build for a goes-wide, combo, aristocrat soup and just go with whatever pops up in a game.

Currently brewing a Dragonhawk deck and I want one combo to be making a bunch of small tokens e.g. Goblins then using pic related to get a big Dragonhawk trigger. Obviously red does well at making Goblins but I was wondering if there were any other things worth considering e.g. something that is undercosted due to a drawback such as sac at the end of turn which obviously won't matter to me.

>>96289766
I love playing against guys like you, so long as you don't sulk while you wait for the rest of us to finish the game

>>96289756
>he cast songs of the damned with 1 creature in the grave
skill ish

>>96289808
>magically have a late game setup for your """ramp"""
rituals are much more like finishers for your winning turn, not to set up the winning turn itself

>>96289789
Young Pizzy I guess?

>>96289766
Draw, discard, pass.

>>96289824
and thats why you run removal

>>96289819
Not bad thanks, I realised what I was thinking of was Elemental Mastery

>>96289782
>expensive staples like Doubling Season or Anointed Procession
Ghave has never needed these. He only really needs something that can sacrifice to gain mana. The two altars or Utopia Mycon. Warren Soultrader can do the job too under the right circumstances. Undying guys as well. It was something I noticed while playing Ghave. Almost every other game I'd find a new infinite with him. As for if he's fun, yeah I'd say he's fun, as long as you know what you're getting into with him. He will go infinite if unstopped and he will do so very very easily. As long as you want a deck that can drain out the table almost every game then he's your guy. I mention this because I initially wanted to make him a go wide and overwhelm everyone with pumped up Saprolings but that turned out a bit harder and worse than just going for game with drain stuff. Not impossible, but it was something that if you have the setup to do that then you're clearly "playing with your food" you know?

>>96289861
Yeah, I getcha. I actually came to the same conclusion as you when I was looking through what I have.
What prompted the idea was pulling a Basking Broodscale and being like, "Huh, doesn't this thing combo off with someone?" and then finding Cathar's Crusade and Ghave in my old Atraxa precon.

MTG rookie here, bunch of my friends play commander but I barely played any magic at all, only vs AI games in MTG arena, should I grab a commander deck and play with them or play more solo until I'm comfortable with the game itself?

>>96289884
hearthstone with lands (MtGArena) is not MtG.
buy a precon (go for less colour's to learn the ropes) and have fun playing physically

>>96289766
Just choose creatures that have removal stapled onto them then dumdum.

>>96289766
>Posts an image of a commander that uses creatures for its removal and protection wile dogging on removal and protection
Jetmir just shoves everything onto it's creatures, so much so that it may be the lone deck in the format where it's incorrect to play Sol Ring. It is not a good metric for how you should build decks.

>>96289877
>Basking Broodscale
Yeah that guy is a good synergy piece with Ghave. This trilobite as well. It's a kind of commander that just works with a lot of cards. Definitely a fun one, just one I wouldn't bring out against newer players unless they get he will combo if left unchecked.

>>96289899
MTG Arena is way more "MTG" than commander. The only rigging is land smoothing in best of one, but even there the shuffling is far more accurate than IRL. This is a cope from olds and losers

>>96289884
If you've got friends who play then you'll be fine. They should be cool with you learning while you play and there's things you just got to play out in paper to really learn. Pick up a precon or something that looks cool to you and join a game with them and you should be fine.

>>96289952
Yeah for sure.
I've never played a Combo deck in paper so realising I had like... 80% of the pieces to make it playable was kinda neat.
Definitely something I'll give the people at the table a heads up about first though.

>>96289824

>>96289766
But what if removal is gas?

>>96289884
Recent precons are good enough. That's where I'd start. What's your favorite magic card?

conjuiring up inverstor fags to ask them if their reprint senses are tingeling.
Picrel is probably my favorite card i dont own, should i shell out 4 big ones or wait another minute?
>MH2 was 4 years ago

>>96290087
Don't really have a magic card, so I was doing the "oooh looks fun" and been looking at the Madison Li deck with Liberty prime as the commander, since he's cool and it looks like a fun beatstick deck.

While playing MtG arena I liked playing Dark decks, but when I used to play Yu-Gi-Oh I played a theft deck (relinquished), cus I like being a little shit playing non meta rogue decks with a fun gimmick to slightly annoy my opponent, but not ruin their fun.

So edh is clearly no longer the binder fodder format, so what is?

>>96290092
It just got buffed from the recent ruling change there is no way the price is going down in the near future.

>>96290105
I try to make a bracket 5 deck in a supposed bracket 1 shell.

>>96290112
What rule change?

>>96290104
That deck is kinda narrow, I'm sure it functions but it's also universes beyond trash and I can't in good conscience recommend it for that reason.

>>96290126
I've been told that it's not a good deck on it's own, that's why I'm considering using it as the foundation to build a deck that can actually make it work.
I've also been given some theft deck ideas like Lazav, since that's dark and theft, which I am both aiming for.

I like making stuff work instead of netdecking the most meta championship winning deck, since I like playing my own deck instead of another's

Nobody will be playing commander in 10 years

>>96290104
Given your interest and, depending on your budget, you could get the Fallout "Science!" deck like you want, but also you can also get the new Edge of Eternities "Counter Intelligence" deck. That will give you a pile of cards in matching theme and colors to mix and match as you see fit. There's substantial shared synergies and a solid 65% of the decklists are different from one another, excepting land and staples mostly.

Science! is energy counter based, where you make energy counters to power your artifacts effects, while Counter Intelligence is based on proliferating counters (including but not limited to energy). A resulting hybrid deck could play very nicely.

>forget to order card
>no problem, can order it later
>price goes 5x in the meantime
>mfw

>>96290177
Lazav is super dope
Check edh rec for a budget list and proxie it

>>96290122
it doesn't cuck to blood moon as much anymore
if you have it on 2 counters and someone plays bloon, you can make karnstructs each turn

>>96290229
Wtf? How?

>>96290240
something about saga rules changes when FF set came

>>96290246
Thats incredibly stupid sounding, Ill have to see the rules justification

>>96290255
TL;DR it was "unintuitive"

I feel like this card should be a lot better than it is in zombies, because every time I play it, it feels very mediocre.

>>96289782
>Realised that I kinda stumbled into having a pretty decent Ghave deck.
I've said this before but there's only two ways you can make a ghave deck. "actual honest fungus/thallid tribal" or "sorry, I didn't realize that went infinite together." those are the ONLY two outcomes for ghave.

>>96290266
i had kikes soo much its unreal

>>96288529
Every plane capable of artifice eventually reinvents the ornithopter, theres no reason one other plane couldn't figure out spellshaping.

>>96289625
>not ramping at all
Yes. Ramp isnt necessary. That's why it isnt played anywhere outside of 2 decks in edh. And it doesnt magically become necessary in EDH
>everyone (including me) knows they are bad!!!
>but we still use them heh
Actual brain damage becauss you never thought for yourself. You were taught its necessary and never even considered otherwise. Cracks starting to show in the ramp side lmao

>>96290266
It doesnt sound like it can
>make karnstructs each turn

>>96289789
>anon steals my dragonhawk deck I've posted in this thread numerous times

>>96290105
Never was anon

>>96290422
It were. If you didn't experience it, I feel bad for ya.
2011-2013 era was pretty peak, im sure before 2011 was too but I didn't play then

>>96290417
>have urza's saga on 2 counters
>someone plays blood moon
>urza's saga won't gain anymore counters on your turns due to it not being subjected to turn-based action where it gains a counter on your next turn
>since it stays at 2 counters and it never gains or loses them, it permanently has the ability to pay 2 and tap to make karnstructs as long as blood moon stays in play

>>96290449
My first EDH game was in 2009. It never was.

>>96288617
No. Basically I forgot to put crop rotation in the deck which would have been my out, but lessons learned!

>>96290422
>being a no-gamer all the way back in 2009
Thats some real dedication

>>96290456
>permanently has the ability to pay 2
I dont understand where you are getting this from, from the post it looks like it loses all abilities it just doesnt sac

Where can i find tier 6 competitive cedh decks?

>>96290488
it keeps the ability because blood moon applies at layer 4 and added abilities apply at layer 6
it's autistic but it works

>>96290496
No it doesnt

>>96290520
okay go test it at modo or arena then if you're so smart, do report back so I can laugh at you

>>96290421
Well I hadn't seen it but clearly you have good taste, anon.

>>96290532
Why dont you test it and prove your position that is contrary to every other thing in the game

>>96290541
Don't worry I never actually built it. I like the concept, could never get the lists feeling just right to me. I had a goblin dragonhawk list that would've utilize descent along with just anthem effects to get to 9 4+ power creatures asap to cast and swing dragonhawk for the win. The other was just a low costed high power list. Might finally build the goblin one as I found a lot of goblin support last week in my basement. Ill post the lists when im out if bed

>>96290542
I mean if that's the hill you want to die on. I don't care about this argument enough to put any effort towards proving myself right. If you really want, you can figure this out by simply googling.

I'll even be kind enough to link a reddit thread for you about this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MTGLegacy/comments/1kz8dmk/final_fantasy_rules_updates_urzas_saga_stays/

>>96290557
>here is a reddit thread that doesnt provide any rules or video proof
Is this supposed to convince me youre right? I am waiting for a video of you proving this works on their game engine anon

>>96290571
okay since you asked so nicely
https://youtu.be/88W_J5nvKVY?t=2491

>>96288368
I built a massacre girl deck purely to combat these sorts of dorks. Every turn everything I have that can go sideways is going sideways

>>96290457
You are on crack if you don't remember the draft to edh pipeline
>draft
>open garbage rares
>throw into decks to test
>take out for more garbage until your deck starts to hum
Also
>draft
>trade modern/standard playables in exchange for otherwise unplayable cards
I had a friend who built a sliver hivelord deck just from drafting and trading.
If that's not a binder fodder format, IDK what is.

>>96290415
here's that (you) you were fishing for bro

>>96289625
>The best part is, "dies to removal" is all they can say, without providing a proper alternative
wasting removal on a mana rock is almost always the wrong choice too

>>96290597
I watched two min of that video starting at the point you chose
I dont see how this proves you can make karnstructs every turn

>>96290641
>picking up banger staples like swan song out of your LGSs bulk rares
RETRVN

post cheap cards that are incredibly broken in edh

>>96288215 (OP)
Banding.
It's genuinely easy to understand and pretty powerful if used properly. The issue always was "Banding with others", which is actually non-functional garbage and it's designer deserves cruel and painful death via 10000 paper cuts done with copies of Master Of The Hunt.

sorry boomers, if commander is going to be a popular format it needs a healthy banlist. this is not the "slap together a deck using cards from your closet and play" format anymore. I'm talking to you Prof

>>96288215 (OP)
How the fuck are new players supossed to learn magic when google is wrong and there are no judges? Butcher Ghoul + Yawg is an "infinite" combo in and of itself; good luck explaining this to new players. My brother was in this situation, so I explained it. Nope, if you google it all the early results explain it incorrectly and people were using that as a reference. So I said "oh, just google what happens when you stifle a fetchland. The cost resolves before the ability is on the stack." Nope. Google says the fetchland doesnt die and only stops you from getting a new land. So i tried finding a similar ruling that shows how it works, stifling aetherflux. When you google it, it only talks about the expotential lifegain trigger. Then after massaging it, I was finally able to get a ruling that showed what I explained and he then had to relay to his group, but tards are still arguing about this.

Judge? Problem solved. Experienced player? Same deal. Letting retards hope google in their pocket can answer it? Horrific.

>>96290659
I know you're a trolling retard but sure, I'll bite. Here's a few questions for you to chew:
1. Why did the saga retain its ability to tap for mana after blood moon was played?
2. Why did the saga not gain any more counters on the following turns after blood moon was played?

Now after you have thought long and hard about those two questions, answer me this: what would the saga do if it had two counters and blood moon would then be played? Would it only tap for colorless mana, or could it perchance retain its ability to make karnstructs without it ever going up to three counters and getting sacrificed, assuming blood moon stays on the field?

>god tribal
>all destroy all nonland permanent spells
>no win cons
Haha whoops sorry our game went for three hours haha

>>96290710
>Butcher Ghoul + Yawg is an "infinite" combo in and of itself
wouldn't you just die from paying life to the yawg

>>96290712
Oh i see
Cool thanks for actually explaining it

>>96290725
Yes, that's why infinite is in scare quotes. But it lets you draw cards equal to your life total -2 in order to fish for a blood artist or whatever. The point of contention is people dont know how the yawgmoth -1/-1 can hit butcher ghoul when you sac the butcher ghoul to activate the ability.

>>96290725
Yes.
It's a combo but not an infinite one, I'm not sure what that anon is on about.

>>96290687
Commander is it's slave name
He is name is EDH

>>96290744
No problems anon, I guess you're not a retard after all.

>>96290687
>the next iteration of the bracket list moves precons to bracket 1
>bracket 2 becomes "deck I built from scraps" since brackets are basically an honor system anyway
>when playing in bracket 2 tuck is reverted to working as written

Is it possible for FF precons getting reprinted commonly as Fallout? Somehow I still keep seeing Fallout getting restocked.

>>96290843
FF was the best selling set in magics history, and square enix loves doing crossover slop.

>>96290843
Yeah they will probably get printed for a long time
LotR precons get reprinted cosntantly

>>96290710
I just googled your fetchland thing and top 3 results + AI answer were all correct maybe you and your brother just suck at googling

>>96290917
This what you got?

>>96290712
>1.
Because its a mountain now and can be tapped for red...?
>2.
Because it lost its saga ability?

>>96290926
No you suck at Google!

>>96289782
>>96290305
It's actually only one way to build it.
Ghave goes infinite with a breeze, even a "honest fungus" deck would be able to oopsie into an infinite with Ghave

>>96290933
Here you go faggot, I even brought a judge to explain this shit for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYkXhFTAjB0

I don’t understand “when state based actions are checked”.
If an opponent’s commander goes into a graveyard like this, am I allowed to swipe it before they put it in the command zone?

>>96290969
>no gameplay footage
Its simple you said i could go on arena or whatever and do this so do it. Show it tapping for colorless or a karnstruct anon

>>96290949
This is what I searched. I knew the ruling beforehand because I do it in legacy; idk what to tell you. What did you search?

>>96290986

>>96290291
Like a lot of tribal payoffs, it has the issue where it's only good when your deck is already working without doing anything to help you get there. Running it out on turn 3 likely won't have any counters, and compared to Lord of the Undead or Death Baron it doesn't do anything on defense. If the tokens weren't tapped or it kept getting counters as zombies entered the battlefield, there'd be some spice.

>>96290975
necromantic selection is one whole ability, so SBAs aren't checked during it. you could technically grab a token as tokens poof as an SBA.
unfortunately for your idea, putting commanders in the command zone is a *replacement effect*. so if a player chooses to do that, their commander will never have entered the graveyard.

>>96291018
It's no longer a replacement effect if the Commander would go to a public zone. That change was made years ago so that 'dies' triggers on commanders would work.

903.9. A commander may return to the command zone during a Commander game.

903.9a If a commander is in a graveyard or in exile and that object was put into that zone since the last time state-based actions were checked, its owner may put it into the command zone. This is a state-based action. See rule 704.
903.9b If a commander would be put into its owner’s hand or library from anywhere, its owner may put it into the command zone instead. This replacement effect may apply more than once to the same event. This is an exception to rule 614.5.

>>96290546
Sounds cool, I hope you get to a point where you're happy with them

>>96291018
You cant choose to put your commander into CZ during resolution

>>96291028
oh, for some reason I read just b and not a. it works then.

>>96288215 (OP)
>What are some of the older mechanics that you would like to see making a comeback?
My boi wife femboy fox husband needs some more cards that care about color in unique ways.

Might need to actually make this for biomechan

>>96291069
cool card but totally mogged by mother of runes

>>96291069
>femboy
>with THOSE hands
Anon, I'm sorry but that's a whole man no younger than 27.

>>96288559
Are you actually complaining that you didn't win good enough?

>>96291195
Yes. Impotent nerds use EDH as a way to establish a feeling of intellectual superiority.

>>96291158
Mother of runes can't deal commander damage or turn all of my opponents lands white so I can exile them with Ugin

>>96291179
>Being a degenerate
Me and my boi wife have a monogamous relationship where we support each other into old age.

>>96288559
>>I just had an embarrassing game
>>me playing Tatyova
That IS embarrassing...

Have you ever had a 28-3 moment in EDH?

>>96291006
I feel like I need to just cut it from my zombie lists now. The issue is like you said its kind of win more. Early game you still have to commit a bunch of zombies to the board to trigger it, which just gets you wrathed. Late game it's big, but easily chumped and doesn't make an army on its own.

>>96291350
No, but there was a night where one of my pod did.
>*not*viking set comes out
>none of us paid attention to it, we all got a precon to play though.
>Saturday rolls around and we all decide to play the precons, one friend didn't get a precon but he built a tegrid deck.
>claims its super low power and on the level of the *not*viking precons
>Crack open precons for the first time and play.
>what follows is 10 games of being steamrolled by tegrid for over 4 hours
That guy doesn't play with us anymore.

>>96291507
I've only ever seen tergrid once in the wild, it was removed 6 times, immediately after being cast.

>>96290291
It's really only "good" if you go heavy GY with lots of zombie creature cards and a way to bring him back to get a big zombie.

>store clerk tells me this isn't a CEDH store
>think this is a good sign
>sit down with my pod
>bracket 4 slop everywhere at the table
>look around
>almost every table is won by someone on a bracket 4 deck with a generic combo win
>leave

>>96291525
Our folly was we only brought precons to play and had zero knowledge of the set. I personally didn't even know what his commander did until he cast it the first game.

>>96291391
Yeah, things like Undead Warchief or Shepherd of Rot give you a lot more mileage and versatility. The ones I'm currently struggling with in my zombie deck are Corpse Harvester (too expensive and slow even if it's phenomenal once it's running), Gravespawn Sovereign (same), and Noxious Ghoul (a bit winmore but holy shit does he mulch through the board)

Too many of the cool zombies came out 20 years ago so they're 4 and 5 drop 3/3s instead of a 3 mana 1/2 with the same abilities.

>>96291531
>leave
>come back with MLD.dek

>>96291350
This is just every game with my Izzet storm deck.
>Table tries to remove everything I play
>Their threat assessment is atrocious so they don't actually know which pieces are generating value for me
>Plus they're just not running a lot of removal in general
>Their focusing manifests primarily in the form of just trying to swing at me every turn
>So naturally I boardwipe them multiple times in retaliation with Earthquake effects (my general is a flier)
>Usually I end every game with a single-digit life total taking out players with 30+ life
Every game of Izzet storm is a real rush when you're not crutching on tutors.

>>96291551
Actually kinda based for a homo

>>96291541
Noxious Ghoul is the only one of those I still keep, because when you reanimate with living death or apocalypse you'll wipe the rest of the table as a bonus.
There's also some new stuff in the zombie precon, but really only this guy stood out to me.

What's the most amount of turns you've had a game go in your pod?

>last night 16 turns
>everyone has a big board state
>nobody has a wincon as everyone else defenses are up, wipes and removal keep coming
>one player has Gisela and effectively prevents any combat against them
>has over 100 life at one point
>abzan player finally eeks out a win with Vish kal getting huge

Normally games go 6-10 turns if someone pops off quick and nobody has an answer.

>>96291608
I haven't really updated my decks in over a year at this point. There's still bloomburrow cards I'm meaning to add.

>>96291662
I don't know, I usually play in a 6 man pod so I don't want to be more depressed when that 3 hour game is only like 12 or less turns

>>96291662
probably like 40ish when someone actually wanted to play out a stasis lock once

>>96291662
Probably around 12. Pretty good game actually, lots of interaction pointed around the table. Only complaint is one guy rolling a die to decide if and who to attack every turn even when someone was open or when there was a clear threat.

>>96291662
20+
There was a game in 2014 that had a lot of boardwipes and discard. We were all in topdeck mode then somehow all 4 of us hit a brick of lands. I had a storageland that had like 8 counters on it so I was at least accruing value... until my friend ripped a stripmine
Yeah it was a strange sequence of events lol

>>96291662
max sovl. I have technically managed to lock the table out until they naturally mill out so like 70+ turns but everyone scooped before that

>>96291662
I dont have the turn count but we've had a 6 hour game before.

>>96291721
There's no way 12 is your highest, have you never player with a precon?

>>96291697
It's far better to play as two 3-pods than one six unless everyone specifically wants a high playercount game and agrees to play fast

>>96291507
>dont pay attention to set
>consume it anyways
Grim

>>96291542
>they cry and piss
Erry tim

>one of my buddies bought some pre built niv mizzet deck
>has an insane opener with his first game
>shortly after ends up getting both niv mizzets on board
>i point out he just won but he doesnt understand
>hes super shocked when i explain to him how he goes infinite and doesnt understand it at first
>"wow, thats fucking stupid, magic is awesome"

>>96291861
>I'm so fucking glad UW is DEAD

>>96291871
>>"wow, thats fucking stupid, magic is awesome"
I feel like this is most peoples reaction when they really get sucked in.

Thinking about building a massacre girl deck. Also, when you all build decks, do you move your staples around? For example, do you just buy one demonic tutor and then move it from deck to deck?

>>96291896
Why are you building new decks if youre just moving staples around?

>>96291896
>a massacre girl deck
>demonic tutor
it's not a massacre girl deck

>>96291896
Yes which is why all my decks use the same sleeves. But you can also just proxy, its not like anyone cares.

>>96291908
I guess every deck that runs Rhystic Study is the same deck at that point. I guess if I buy a second Rhystic, the deck is a new deck. You make a very good point.
>>96291910
Who said it was in my deck, it was an example.
>>96291914
I am anti-proxy, so it would only be a couple of cards at a time.

>>96291896
I used to do this when I was poor. Now that my cards have appreciated and I have a job, I'm slowly building out my decks the way I want to. I only have 3 divining tops, for my 6 decks, and they are expensive. So I just don't use them. I force myself to use lesser cheaper cards and build around it. It also allows my decks to not all be at the same power level so I can play with others based on that.

>>96291944
Just doesnt sound like youre making new decks anon!

>>96291896
No I don't move cards around. I either get another of the card or run something that does something similar in theme.

Alright these filter lands suck ass and are coming out of my sultai budget list.
I wish they'd finish the tango cycle already.

>>96291896
I really enjoyed mine

>>96292025
Yeah, if you want that effect use the Lorwyn cycle. Not being able to make mana on their own makes them extremely inflexible.

>>96290986
NTA but here's a clip of saffronolive making karnstructs with blood moon in play https://youtu.be/WF8c2zIU8IA?t=2176
>inb4 doesn't count

>>96291896
Build the other massacre girl, pic rel. They're much better. You should run the other massacre girl in the 99 though.

As for staples: I just smashed random black good stuff in my deck from binders and bought like 20 cards that synergies with the -1/-1 counter strat. You dont need tutors with redundancy.

>>96291749
I'm aware, but two austimos only want to play big games and no they don't play fast.

>>96291989
>Just doesnt sound like youre making new decks anon!
Uh oh. I accidentally put Swords in another one of my white decks, now my Giada Angel deck is the exact same as my Teysa.
>>96292029
Seems like fun, might run Known Killer as the commander, and splash her in with a ton of Toxic Deluge effects.

>>96292058
Was already planning on it. Also with the amount of draw, tutors seemed overkill. I will be buying another full art tragic slip however.

>>96292095
https://archidekt.com/decks/14779745/massacre_girl_weakens_her_enemies_mono_black_good_stuff
My deck if you're interested. Goal is play massacre girl asap and turn her sideways. Use -1/-1 wipes and removal early and often to get card draw. Fun deck that's potent early and very easy to pilot, good for giving to new friends.

Its not 100% up to date, traded for a few things I really wanted was missing like Massacre Wurm and Blowfly Infestation but haven't had the chance to put them in yet.

>Man why do all my decks feel samey?
>Okay time to start building a deck
>Let's choose a commander. Gotta pick something with a lot of colors to keep all my options open.
>Time to put in all the fetches and untapped duals so I can always stay colorfixed
>Time to add my generic staple draw pieces. Can't rely on my commander always being alive! This One Ring is a lifesaver.
>Okay time for the ramp package. Of course the Sol Ring and Signet package fit here. Their versatility is what allows this deck to be the most consistent
>Alright time to add my win conditions. Naturally I need some big creatures so I'll go with Craterhoof and Emrakul. Maybe I can fit a Moonshaker Calvalry and an Insurrection in here.
>Alright now time to add some consistency. Of course I'm going to put in all the 3 mana tutors I can. I can use one of my GC slots for Demonic Tutor too.
>Alright time for my interaction package. Swords to Plowshares, Farewell. Done! That should cover everything.
>Time to add all the on-theme cards in the remaining slots.
>Swiftfoot Boots... Blackblade Reforged.
>Alright! My voltron deck is done!

>>96292148
This is why monocolor commanders are the most Based choice.

>>96292036
It's mostly just the color lock that kills me. A lot of times I need golgari colors or simic, but the filter land just doesn't do that.
Seems like they are really only usable in two color decks.

>>96292172
Even in two-color decks they're pretty shit. Same as how signets have gotten broadly outclassed, as colorfixing with lands has gotten easier and color requirements have gotten more elaborate, getting exactly RG when you need GGG for a spell sucks. It's times like this I miss Eternal's mana system, but that ultimately causes more problems than it solves.

>all my decks use common stables next to personal favorite jank
>all my commander are small support+supply commanders that can't do anything on their own
>all my decks are top tier bracket 2
>all my decks feel different
I cracked the code before I ever had to worry

>>96292095
I played her in the same way you would play a 3 drop drana deck
I cant remember why I ever took it apart, probably needed the black cards for a much less rewarding 3 color pile

>>96291746
Not one that hasn't been upgraded. The friend who got me into the game was a 60 card player and we were dragged into commander by another friend.

>>96292148
>a lot of colors to keep all my options open
Lost right out of the gate, restriction breeds creativity which is why it can paradoxically feel hard to be creative with such a large card pool

A lot of my favorite decks just use the commander as an always accessible tool but work without it

>>96292163
unless its urza.
urza is never based.

>>96290291
should've been "create a 2/2 tapped black zombie for each +1/+1 counter on diregraf colossus"

>>96292163
Yeah, mono players are based. As easy opponents.

>copy etali's favor 8 times do I have to discover 3 8 times.
>Landfall deck player who has been looping a fetch land 3 times a turn and is running cathers crusade complains my turn is taking too long
Why does this community have such low self-awareness

>>96292310
If you did this to me I'd shoot you 37 times in the chest in self defence.

>>96292147
No Blade of the Blood Chief? Seems like a strictly better and more in theme then your black blade.

>>96292310
>yes I always have it and my opponents never have counterspell for the splinter

>>96292326
It's just a part of the game. I've seen people who only play decks that vomits out shit for free, several times a turn every time, turn around and complain someone got off one reanimate and brought back something once. They have no sense of realizing how fucking stupid the things their own deck are doing.

>>96292310
I had a friend that refused to build decks without zuran orb, I thought it was because he was stuck in the past but maybe he was on to something

>>96292360
Correct. I always have it as I am a good player.

>>96292360
>and my opponents never have counterspell

>>96292326
this is the only thing that really gets on my nerves with my regular playgroup. I have timed it, it is not uncommon for me to wait absurd amounts of time between turns, but as soon as I take more than 60 seconds, people start shitting their pants. I have used a stopwatch in the past; one time a game took over three hours, it had been my turn for less than five minutes collectively during that time, and one of the other players still gave me shit at one point about taking too long. at this point I push back really hard about doing any game larger than four people.

>>96292187
If verges werent so expensive I'd run them, but again its a budget deck and I'm not payong almost the price of shocks for lands that are like two tiers below that.

>>96292406
At least your playgroup isn't actively cheating while taking long turns
>Player has a storage land
>Remove storage counters on it during main phase and takes 3 minutes just to play 2 spells
>Goes to combat
>Second main phase
>removes more storage counters for more mana
>tell them that's not how it works, they throw a bitch fit
>next turn they tap a fetch for mana

>>96292401
Summary Dismissal next question.

>>96292406
>any game larger than four people
Never do a game with more than four people.

>went to target not expecting to see anything on shelves because I live in Scalperfornia (fuck this state)
>HOLY SHIT DOCTOR WHO AND LORD OF THE RINGS COMMANDER DECKS
>AND THEY HAVE THE SAURON AND TIMEY WIMEY DECKS TOO
I grabbed the Sauron one, gonna keep it sealed despite not owning any of the cards inside. Maybe it'll be worth $1000 in 5 years.
Anyway things are looking up for regular collctors. Only took all damn year.

>>96292345
Its on my radar but I didnt have one on hand. But I still have a bunch of blackblades from drafting a ton of dominaria.

landdaddy landdaddy landdaddy

My atraxa deck is almost ready
I just need to find a sheoldred for a decent price

>>96292590
each card costs more than my decks, sad!

>>96292590
>reading the card explains the ca-ACK!

>>96292664
>he doesnt have a body that can reproduce the sound of scraping metal
imagine not having the gift of the glistening oil

>>96292590
Are these even legal to play if you don't know Arabic?

>>96292679
No, I'm white.

I feel like I'm going crazy, a while back I made a set of 40k Ork cards to make my own deck and I remember making pic rel only because I saw a real card that was similar (eg Choose 4 but all options are the same). A buddy said it was weird card and when I searched scryfall and google I cannot find any real card that does this. Does anyone know what I saw?

>kind of sick of low cmc decks with average cost below 3
>build big guys gruul deck
>most expensive card is 6cmc
>average cost 3.05
I just can't help it, I see 7cmc+ and I just cut it

>>96291662
I don't know how many turns but I played a game where the last 2 people in it were two literal autists playing life drain decks. The game easily went on half an hour after me and another player had been knocked out. We were sitting around trying to get another game and the autists just kept fucking going. One of them even refused to concede when asked if they actually had a plan to win the game, they laughed every time conceding was suggested like they thought our frustration wasn't genuine.

I'm also a little annoyed that one of the autists knocked me out when they could have gone for lethal on the autist they ultimately ended up duelling. And no, not out of any strategy like "aha I know I can stalemate the other life drain deck!" or something, they're just a very poor player and had no board assessment. They also had really poor ability to work through their own triggers and their turns took at least twice as long as anyone else's because they would slowly run through how everything was about to resolve, and then slowly resolve them, sometimes starting over if they got confused. That autist is the one that ultimately lost.

All in all it was two fucking hours.

>>96292822
Then you need a commander that pays off for casting high mana spells

>>96292310
You stole this off tiktok lol

>>96292696
I actually loled

>TQ
Dredge

>>96292923

>>96292841
like what, the mono red creature cheat ones?

>>96292822
>he's never avenger of zen into craterhoof
Lmao?
>>96292841
Uh oh! Build around brain!>>96292844

>>96292972
No, are you fucking stupid? There's so many commanders that reward you specifically for playing high mana cards, not just cheating them out.

https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3A%22mana+value%22+o%3A%22or+greater%22+is%3Acommander&order=color&as=grid&unique=cards

>>96292974
>he's never avenger of zen into craterhoof
no, all my (honest) wincons are about pumping a single creature to lethal. not a fan of token wincons, or tokens in general.
>>96292993
>No, are you fucking stupid?
yes? why the fuck would I even ask then, retard? thanks for the help, I will check that out.

>>96292923
Dredge is never coming back, they should have called it the 'dredge scale' given how WOTC views the mechanic.

>>96288230
>banding
this

>>96293037
>>96292960
Dredge is a retardly strong mechanic in 60 card since it's resourceless milling, but for commander it's fine. Just print a dredge card that is only usable in commander and it's fine. In commander, the odds of your opponents having graveyard hate is 3x more likely.

>>96292993
I have never been hated off a table faster than when I built imoti
The funny thing was it was crawwurm and divination tribal, trying to make a deck that used as few words per card to help my wife learn to play.
I ended up building karametra: fewest word tribal instead and won kinda a lot of games and never got seen as a threat.

>>96293037
>never coming back
>2024
Baby it done did come back

>>96293100
I built a very efficient Wildsear deck for the longest time I thought he was just slightly overcosted, but it turns out the secret ingredient is to abuse the fuck out of green permanents that let you draw cards any time you play an enchantment and despite me cascading as often as 6 times in a single turn, I hardly ever seem to get focused down. Just having huge creatures is such a good deterrent in my pods.
>okay someone NEEDS to pop Wildsear this is getting ridiculous
>"okay then I'll probably hit you with my buffed up Nyxborn Behemoth that's enchanted with Indomitable Might and assigns damage as though it weren't blocked... oh? board wipe? okay I sac an enchantment to make Nyxborn Behemoth indestructible then"

>>96293136
That sounds fun, list?

>>96293133
Oh yeah, I forgor. Give me a golgari dredge commander then.

>>96293156
Same
Ive been working on hogaak, I could use a few more dredge cards

>>96293136
Indestructible?
What's that?

>>96293171
Oh fuck oh shit oh fuck oh shit
Uhhh.....
>taps 3 mana
>still loses graveyard
U bastardbl

>>96293133
I hate that necrobloom is good, I just want to play budget this tribal but people think my deck is competitive

>>96293188

>>96293194
Is it?

>>96292310
Dumping 7 mana to lock not even kill 1 player would do nothing but lose you the game at my table.
Legit Bracket 3 king type shit. Enjoy playing fake baby magic.

>>96293151
Sure. It was built on a bit of a budget so there's definitely some upgrades that could make it even more powerful
But with all the ramp, Mana Flare, and Nature's Will on board I have reliably had access to 40 mana in a single turn.

>>96293171
*taps Null Brooch and discards hand*

>>96293210
no

>>96293194
Necrobloom, Pylath, Erinis, Gretchen, or Wandering Minstrel for landfall tokens?

>>96293208
>printer revs up

I'm getting back into edh. Years ago I wanted to build a mono black phyrexian deck.
Since then a bunch of new phyrexian cards where printed so the whole idea seems a lot more viable.

Does anyone have a similar deck I can steal cards from?

I've been dumping a bunch of infect, poison and proliferate cards into this list https://moxfield.com/decks/vZ8ZVJL6C02Jpv9QXrOOwg and I'm looking for more ideas. Cards with phyrexian themes are preferred.
I'm also open to the idea of constructing a phyrexian themed deck around a mechanic other than infect.

>>96293229
>8 mana in white
>implying you could survive a cascade deck for 8 fucking turns

>>96293195
You tried.

>>96293236
>implying you'd ever get to cascade

>>96293252
>implying

>>96293270
>bolt him
Wow so tough, GG scrub

>>96293281
How are you going to bolt him when he has protection from Red?

I
JUST
FUCKING
HAVE
ITS
AND
YOU
DON'T

They need to reprint this card as a white boarded common so I can put it in my decks.

>>96293346
you have Printer Rare version anon

Who has the balls to step to the OG?
Blud been twinning since 1994.

>>96293295 >>96293281 >>96293278 >>96293270 >>96293252 >>96293229 >>96293210 >>96293171
I put https://youtu.be/mYuF3T7s7XY?t=73 on the stack.
Your response?

>>96293295
In that case I won't because at this point you've overextended your board more than I have for that Farewell

>>96293354
how come mark poole's style has changed so much since AI art became a thing

>>96293360
Why is Stangg such a dope boy?

>>96293359
Mother of Runes and Farewell were 2 different posters though, you can clearly see from their file naming preferences.

>>96293392
NO TAKEBACKS YOU NUKED YOURSELF

>>96293350
that's cheating and leads to trannyism

>>96293412
Then Proxy it

>>96293399
Y'all niggas have fun with that Farewell. I'mma bamf on outta here.

>>96293357
https://youtu.be/mFV0Og6YO1w&t=0016

>>96293171
Why is cyclonic rift a game changer but this isnt

>>96293485
Instant speed
Modular casting cost

>>96293467
>david mcdarby and danny west
I want to go back

>>96293485
>Why is the instant speed asymetrical board wipe a game changer but the sorcery speed reset button isn't
Big think

>>96292310
/edh/ unironically thinks games like this are common:
>okay so my first turn is Temple Garden paying the 2 life, tap it to play Sol Ring, then I'm going to use that mana to play Myr Landscaper. After that I'm going to exile Simian Spirit Guide from my hand and play Arcane Signet which I will then tap to play Birds of Paradise. Your turn bro!
>cool you dropped an island! Anyways on my turn I'm going to play Mana Confluence, then I'm going to tap the Landscaper targeting your island. Then I'm going to tap the Sol Ring and add green with my temple and confluence to play Splinter and remove all your islands - oh wait you're exiling a blue card to Force of Negation? Sorry bro but in response I tap the birds and the signet for twp blue mana and counter your counter with Counter Spell, Splinter resolves, you have no more islands. Wanna play again?

>>96293530
No but what does happen often is
>I play a shitty tapland
>I play a shitty tapland
>Oh you play Terra and combo off and I scoop.

>>96293530
I fucking hate those guys, the black guy who tries to normalize group bullying of anyone entering their pod can fuck off too

>>96290415
>Yes. Ramp isnt necessary.
lol
lmao even

>>96289766

Lord have mercy!

>>96291896
"board wipe in the command zone" is boring AND obnoxious

>>96293485
Because we decided to meme that farewell isn't a bullshit card. And it is the hill we're going to die on.

>>96293530
>pic
I hate that guy so fucking much.
I hate all of the Magic tiktokers youtubeshorters or whatever the fuck, but the ones that play pretend are the fucking gayest cringiest ones.
There's this retarded Aussie one who only arrived on my feed a few months back and he can't act for shit but insists on framing every video as if he's a new player asking someone else (himself) about a rules interaction or new thing to the game. If you want to talk about something, just fucking talk about it. Why do something cringey that you're not even fucking good at instead? I hate it.

>>96293536
he sounds fucking based

>>96293563
Ummm what the chud is she wearing? Why isn't she fat and baldd?

>got together with my pod to play our first EDH game in months
>we all decide to play lower power decks
>play this precon (slightly upgraded with other fallout cards from that "set")
>I mollywhop the table
Thoughts on my boy? I think hes a really fun low to the ground aggro deck

>>96293614
>UB
Learn to play with real cards to kill yourself

>>96292754
look up Very Cryptic Command
the closest might be the spells from bloomburrow that have "choose X <pawprint> worth of effects" and have a one, a two, and a three pawprint effect, so you can choose like four of the 1 effect.

>>96293614
Next time try playing Magic

>>96293614

>>96293614
Probably the strongest mardu commander in the game next to edgar markov.

>>96293658
I didn't realize Edgar or Caesar was from Tarkir, interesting.

>>96293658
Ermmm Kaalia of the Vast would like a word with you

Whats the strategy with Hapatra?

>>96293692
Don't let token decks breathe. Play Yawgmoth asap

>>96293692
combo

>>96293346
Wrong that would fuck up Pauper what they need to do is print a set where the rare cards are majority of the cards and commons are 1 or 2 a pack

>>96293692
Put -1/-1s on everything and then proliferate? Do you need /edhg/ to wipe your ass for you too?

>>96293683
Fuck off cunt

>you will probably never play against maelstrom wanderer again

>>96293665
you know what he mean, dont be a nigger

>>96293692
Find her lesbian lover as quick as possible and get to work.

>>96293748
NOOOO IM SUPER CLEVER!

>>96293692
Commanders like this make no sense unless you have some very specific cards.

>>96293692
Become archenemy. I love golgari and egypt so I wish it wasn't the case.

>>96293763
>something very specific like turning her sideways and tokens

>>96293732
i was honestly thinking last time i played about how you dont see a lot of the old boogyman commanders anymore i just assume theyve been powercrept out by fire design and made for commander value engines or whatever else theyve printed recently

>>96293730
>faggot mill player runs this, noetic scales, overburden, etc
>bojuka bog his graveyard
>mortality shift
>UHHH IN RESPONSE
>tell him to shut his bitch mouth, I’m holding priority
>sudden substitution
>UHHH IN RESPONSE
>oh wow, that counter spell works on split second??
>steal his grand arbiter
>IM COUNTERING-
>*taps grand arbiter*
>swaps his empty graveyard and library
>’thats not fucking fair, I cant do anything’

>>96293777
Im still mad she has sexproof

Brago II when?

>>96293790
That wording is awful

>>96293792
What should it be? When {this} enters, if you cast it, and whenever {this} attacks?

>>96293763
These ones?

https://scryfall.com/search?q=id%3C%3Dgb+%28o%3Aproliferate+OR+o%3A%22-1%2F-1+counter%22%29&unique=cards&as=grid&order=color&dir=desc

Frogify vs imprisoned in the moon? For mono blue to shut down cringe value engine snowball slop.

>>96293577
Farewell IS a bullshit card,but its nowhere near the same tier of bullshit as cyclonic

>>96293825
Imprisoned in the Moon every time. Hits more than creatures and for decks that don't have enchantment removal their only other option is usually to kill the enchanted thing which is much harder for them if it's a land than a creature.

Faggots Bane - this spell resolves as the game starts, and doesn’t count against your 100 cards.

All players remove all non-land cards with a mana cost of 0 from their hands and libraries, then remove all game changers. Then each player receives an emblem with ‘if you would demonstrate an infinite combo with 2 cards, you lose the game, exile all cards you own from all zones, phased permanents cant come back, you get 10 poison counters, your life total is 0’

This filler rule has no effect on most games, but is a built-in auto-loss for pubstomp cunts who lie through their fucking teeth

>>96293578
Yup, his retarded clips are all about 1v1 commander as well, do people been even play that?

>>96293837
Battle cruiser player mental illness on full display.

>>96293837
>‘if you would demonstrate an infinite combo with 2 cards
Thank God I ran multiple 3 cards combo lines with the commander being one of the pieces. Legal in bracket 2 btw.

>>96293204
>>96293530
I've never played those cards, don't even have these cards and just stole this from a YouTube short that I've seen. I'm very sorry. Won't happen again.

>>96293837
>but is a built-in auto-loss for pubstomp cunts who lie through their fucking teeth

>hey I'm running infinites btw
>cool, I'll make sure to keep removal up
the 96293837 mind cannot comprehend this

>>96293730
>All my decks are based on life game with things like soul warden
>friend plays this against me
I don't know how the fuck I'm suppose to not punch him in the face for targeted countering me

>>96293887
>keep removal up
>commander is part of 6 2 card infinites and also runs all of the free counterspells

I watched a valgavoth player waste 5 removal spells on urza and could not play the game aside from land drops.

>>96293837
>If you would demonstrate an infinite combo
Very strange hate piece. I can't imagine many decks that want to demonstrate the combo instead of just execute it.

>>96293837
Good to know that this is A-OK for "m-muh bracket 2!!!" boring faggots.

>>96293229
>>96293252
>>96293270
>>96293295
Why are you casting farewell again, what? Seems like you just want to nuke your own shit. Good for you, I guess.

>>96293896
>Friend plays a control card to keeps creature at bay
>In commander, where everyone is playing creatures
>This is targeting me specifically
Maybe get a grip

>>96293360
It's just a coincidence, ignore it. He changed his artstyle which is extremely well drawn and totally cool, because... he just did, OKAY?!

>"No infinite combos!"
t. Faggot that has had every one of their games end by time

>>96293877
>>96293873
>battlecruiser
don't lie then, go play with people that want to play at that speed. there's nothing wrong with it, I find it fun as well when I do play it.

But I just want to chill out and play fungus and saprolings and we need 1 or 2 more at the LGS to bullshit and chill.

I get the brackets for not being autistically detailed and defined, it's ideal, but doesn't work on bad actors or autists who can rationalize mox diamond in bracket 2 somehow.

adding these rules are ancillary and designed to just have a built in rule to shut down liars. 'This is a bracket 2 game, game changers -> auto lose'. This codifies social conduct for them, they will be able to factor in the risk of losing due to what is now cheating.

I had a game where someone tried to play bracket 2 Magda and he got completely embarrassed dying to my Thrasta deck. Honestly I'd be humiliated too being so shit you somehow lose with Magda at a b2 table.

>>96293777
Even without your typical nerd's ADHD need to consoom and the design teams only trick left being "old thing but better!" 5+ mana is way too fucking high for a commander unless it's a finisher.

>>96293931
>no infinite combos
How do we know how long infinite really is huh? What if I interrupt it and than restart it? No longer infinite!

>>96293887
>I ALWAYS HAVE IT!

>>96293951
Brown hand wrote this

This one curve out nicely damn.

>>96293881
thanks for getting rid of all my basic lands, now I'll only draw gas :)

I was told that this deck is overpowered good stuff. I figured this was bracket 3 tops.

>>96293958
No I play Jund

>go to Walmart to get groceries and see if they restocked on EoE shit.
>See a really cute girl, had that body type where she's a little bit chunky, but still had a small waist, big ass and think thighs, looks pacific islander or something. She's alone pushing a cart.
>Try and nonchalant follow her because her ass is just fucking phenomenal and you can see her thong through her yoga pants
>Managing alright
>Afterwhile she still hasn't noticed me but I see her pull up to her mother, a big fat samoian woman who starts putting school supplies that are obviously for someone in middle school or freshman at most into her cart
>I was perving on a child
Commanders for this feel?

>>96293966
this is some neat tech I need for san-inu

>>96293777
This card is still for faggots. That hasn't changed.

>>96293914
>whites gimmick is being shit and helping/relying on your opponents
Lol
Lmao

>>96293967
>turn 4
>stitcher's supplier -> colossus
>cast deadly coverup
>exile elf players forest he sac'd to crop rotation
>exile 30+ forests from his library

What's the rest of the deck?

>>96293977

>>96293977

>>96293977
Child of Alara probably

>>96293977

>>96293935
You can't play any game changers in bracket two. It's already an "auto loss" in that it's not legal to play them in the format. At any level of rule enforcement it's playing an illegal card and a game loss.

>>96293967
I'm mono green and do this on turn 3 against you after ramping like a maniac and you're a mono white player with only basic plains is how this guy >>96293530
would present it in one of his videos to totally own in you in 1v1 commander which everyone plays all the time.

>>96294027
>1v1 commander
The noob doesn't even know that's called Brawl

>>96294036
So you play with alchemy cards?

>>96294036
Its called duel, brawl is arena slop

>>96293905
>I'm terrible at the game and can't recognize obvious combo piece commanders before the game starts, or I'm so weak-willed I can't ask someone playing an obvious combo piece commander to play something more relaxed.

>>96294039
>I always have it and you're just bad. Sounds like you're just constantly cheating

Do events for you niggers really specify what bracket to play? We just have 2 nights: casual and cedh.

>>96294044
>>96293341

>>96294046
I don't go out anymore ever since the Pokemon people started mugging others for their cards

>>96293935
>>96294023
Precons have game changers in them and nobody sane would say that's an automatic loss after playing a precon, unchanged mind you, out of the box

>>96294046
Nope. Some players are aware of the brackets others aren't. None of them use them at my lgs. Except for cedh, just like before they announced the brackets.

>>96294044
Yes I do, in-fact, always have enough brain cells to look at my opponent's command zone and determine if it's a combo piece or not. Believe it or not, it's not particularly difficult to recognize them after about a month of actively playing.

>>96294058
My experience as well. Casual nights we bring whatever. Cedh night we bring our $2000 slop piles. Sometimes on casual nights a couple comp guys will meet up to play a few high power games.

>>96294066
Well, I just have it and you don't have it. Looks like you lose every time when you play against me.

>I just have it
Translation, I don't actually play the game, as there are times where you won't have it, even if you have to mulligan 3 times just to try and get it.

>>96293931
>end by time
What did he mean by this? Are we being timed? For what purpose?

>>96294092
why come to these threads if you dont play the game

>>96294092
Yes Jared, I have to go home after our single 4 hour long game. It's fucking midnight and you've Stax'd us out of any interaction whatsoever.

>>96294098
>no games schizo is back
Uh oh, meltie

Anybody watch the command zone podcast? Why does that old hag stare into the distance like an autist all the time. Appears that she's mentally ill.
Like a thousand yard stare due to retardation.

>>96294092
>t. never set foot in a LGS in his life

>>96294117
Acting cringe = funny in her mind

Which card annoys you more than any other?

>>96294127
Idk what fever dream you have cooked up but the only events that get timed are tournaments and draft

>>96294130
She does that while talking, looks like she's collecting her thoughts that way. I don't think that it's meant for comedic effect. That's what the horrible puns are for.

>>96294138
>every lgs is just open 24/7 and every player at a pod is always ready to play for at least 30 hours per game
You're currently having a fever dream.

>>96294132
I'd rather see a t1 esper than this.

>>96294168
No, problem, have this on turn 2 instead

>>96294037
What does conjure mean?

>>96294168
Ok

>>96294148
Well if you would get off your damn phone we could get through 12 turns in like 45 min

>>96293978
>I think this dog is "smiling" because I'm retarded
What's wrong with pet owners? I love those who have full conversations with them and think that their pet understands English
>No, muffin, I told you that you aren't allowed to sit on a bench, get down there. NOW

WE'RE GOING TO TURN 50 WITH THIS ONE

>>96294189
People at my lgs don't even go to the bathroom. And we just play 3 matches in a row in 2 hours. You're strawman argument doesn't work here.

>>96294190
>Yes I am very smart for recognizing an animal's intelligence is lower than a human's because there is no possibly way they exhibit pattern recognition and understanding of context clues to determine their behavior. Training animals is simply impossible because they're too stupid to understand English.

>>96294197
So you are agreeing with me?

>>96294212
Most dog owners don't train their pets.

>>96294218
I'm not on my phone while I play mtg, so no, I don't agree with your framing of this situation. Kill yourself.

>>96294185
It makes non token copies. So it puts 'real' copies of the power 9 into your deck and shuffles. It's basically hearthstone slop.

>>96294191
Why is this dude black

>>96294223
Ok well if you can play 3 matches in two hours and my slightly longer battlecruiser games take about 45 min, doesnt that make sense? Getting all high and mighty about the speed of combo is really retarded and you would know that if you actually played.
The thing that slows these tables down more than anything is dumb shit like people on their phones and people reciting unrelated interactions or just having a more relaxed view towards the the game not using the combat step as a primary win condition.
When I played cedh, it was the same shit. The longest fucking games Ive ever played involved people flicking cards for 10 min then casting doomsday then going back to flicking cards. Eat shit.

>>96294248
That's racist

(You)
didn't read. Stay mad

>>96288525
Bane of progress is a good way to destroy pillowfort and stax bullshit decks

>>96294266
So you always have 6 mana and bane of progress AND those stax players don't do anything about it? Good for you.

>>96294265
>>"No infinite combos!"
>>play for at least 30 hours per game
>>im gay and retarded
Naw I pretty much got it

Is Vivi my only option for the izzet wizzards experience that doesn't sit with your thumb up your ass while everyone else has fun?

>>96294300
Only if you lack imagination and deck building skill.

>>96294300
Probably not honestly seems like an absurd thought

>>96294300
Play Eruth if you're actually an izzetchad.

>>96294090
>Reaction time is a factor in this, so please answer as quickly as you can.
>Sure.
>It is Main Phase 2 of turn 5-
>Is this the test now?
>Yes. It is Main Phase 2 of turn 5. Your opponent-
>Which one?
>What?
>Which opponent?
>It doesn't matter, it's completely hypothetical. Your opponent has tapped Kona Rescue Beastie and put Agent of Treachery into play from his hand. In response to the enters the battlefield trigger he casts Radiant Performer. He now copies Agent of Treachery's theft ability for each permanent on the battlefield. You want to interact, but you don't have it.
>What do you mean I don't have it?
>I mean you don't have it. Why don't you have it?
>*sweating*
>It's just a test, designed to provoke a cognitive response. It is Main Phase 1 of turn 3. Your opponent has Devoted Druid on board, he casts Swift Reconfiguration, causing Devoted Druid to become a Vehicle and lose the Creature card type. It can now freely be untapped by its own effect as it will not die to -1/-1 counters, giving your opponent infinite green mana. You want to interact, but you don't have it.
>I always have it.

>>96294300
Literally 90% of izzet commanders are spell slinger.

>>96294278
No- but it's still good to have answers in your deck for decks that are problems. You don't always have a swords to plowshares when you need it, that doesn't mean you shouldn't run it, dummy. And it's not like green isn't the color of creature tutors and ramp. Your argument against bane of progress makes you sound like a retarded noob.

>>96294300
No, not by a long shot.

>>96294300
Ral Zarek is the strongest izzet wizard actually , unfortunately he's a homo.

>>96294347
Meant Ral, Monsoon Mage. This faggot has the highest win rate in cEDH right now.

>>96294347
Nothing wrong with a little sugar with your spice

>>96294336
Too clever for this place

>>96294359
Let's hope they they'll make a blade runner set next

>>96294351
>This faggot has the highest win rate in cEDH right now.
Nice dataset of *checks notes* 5 games that you have there.

>>96294341
Multiple people can reply to different posts of yours. I replied to you once and didn't type 'nta'. This thread is almost over anyway. So keep your meltdown in this thread please.

>>96294359
That D&D tiktok guy does movie references all the time and he's done some Magic videos, he can probably steal it

>>96294359
>I watched a movie once I'm so clever
Grim

>playing with the bros Sunday night, few beers in on the third and last game
>going slow as everyone has missed 1-2 land drops first 4 turns
>playing Azusa
>turn 5 boundless realms for 9 more forests
>turn 6 Genesis Wave for 16, mostly a complete whiff with lands and a Karn planeswalker
>turn 7 play Vorinclex, then to cast Tooth and Nail Entwined for Avenger of Zendikar and Kamahl, Fist of Krosa
>drop lotus cobra
>play lands, dump 20 mana into Kamahl's pump, giving everyone +12/+12 trample
>also had one mana for Concordant Crossroads I was holding since turn one
>swing for hundred at each player
>no fogs, no relevant blockers for that shit

Damn it's good when mono green pops off like that.

>>96294390
Found the unclever

>>96294390
>I've always watched it

>>96294336
>me not being a replicant trying to follow this train of thought after finishing a six pack

>>96294359
>>96294384
This guy
https://youtube.com/shorts/qMY7xe1MKVE

>you need to make an account to use mtgcardsmith.com now
Wtf?
>use a throwaway e-mail website like 10 minute mail
>try to make a card, loads eternally, website crashes, barely works
The fuck did they do with this site?

>>96294399
>>96294396
>n-no, I'm actually a genius because I've watched a movie
LMAO

>>96293966
who are you targeting?
the creature you target has to deal the damage then get sacked, and the tokens are an effect of the attack trigger so are you flashing the enchantment to an unblocked token?

>>96294351
This might be exactly what I wanted

Not really EDH related, but one thing that always irked me is that Red and Blue cards typically have art that is heavily red and blue, making the cards pretty monochromatic, while other colors, especially green and white will have more variety in colors rather than their respective color. Blue and red card art is the worst because of this. Anyone else feel the same?

>>96294433
What an extremely vague, odd and most importantly wrong thing to day.

>be me
>Have a Lumra across the table
>play Planetary Annihilation
>He gets giddy
>Play Scavenger Ground
>Tap Sol Ring and sac immediately

I will never play in a bracket without MLD.

>>96293832
neither is crop rotation

>>96294168
my bad bro

>>96294168
bro I just want the life gain

>>96294444
Holy fucking based

>>96294300
Shantotto lets you sit there claiming to be a small bean with bad four cost spells until you storm off and do typical izzet stuff.

>>96294429
The original Genasi and then you attach the aura to the Genasi token that Stormsinger created.

>errata'd to be a human cleric
I'm actually really disappointed.

>>96294660
This guy is massive in cEDH Katilda Control because of that.

>>96294375
It has a 33% win rate on edhtop16. It's steamrolling and overperforming in every big tournament it enters. It's is faster than and consistently turbos out under blue farm and if a win attempt gets countered it easy can pivot to another quickly. Don't get mad at me because you're 6 months behind the meta.

>>96294379
I replied only to the tard who said bane of progress isn't good. Calm down sperg.

God. Nothing pisses me off more than sitting down at a table, seeing an island and knowing, just knowing, I'm playing against as FUCKING NIGGER

>>96294681
I know, keep seething, retard. Bop is good because you just have it. Impeccable argument.

>>96294669
I can see that, but it was cool to have mysterious, no-race, clothes-full-of-space-dust clerics like-
>edgewalker was also eratta'd to human cleric
FUCK

>>96294676
It does not have a 33% winrate... conversion rate means it placed in the tournament, whatever that means for the specific tournament. And you can just look at the site you cite and see that its obviously not 33% winrate. He seems to have found some new cards in the past few months I assume as he is winning more but his history does not support that and even a lot of his really bad showings are from recent events.

>playing a fun game of magic
>I cast spell
>I do thing
>playing a game of magic with blue mana
>I cast spell
>....................
>...................
>.........................
>ok
>I do thing
>.....................
>....................
>...................
>ok

What is the correct number of Commander decks to own?

>Playing a fun game of magic
>I go all-in on my combo and win
>Actually, you didn't play any protection. Because your deck was designed to play solitaire instead of a multiplayer game, I'm going to deny you a win so the rest of the table can continue enjoying the experience
>Playing a game of magic without blue mana
>I go all-in on my combo and win!
>I uh... I um... mana tithe?
>I pay the 1 lol lmao

>>96294248
That staff is stolen

>>96294722
As many as you want

>playing a fun game of magic
>I cast spell
>I do thing
>I cast big thing
>everyone groans
>playing a game of magic with blue mana
>I cast spell
>I do thing
>I cast big thing and-
>wait I counter that
>the other person with threat assessment says "oh good"

>>96294722
As many as you can carry with you

>>96294266
the body is unneeded and there are better ways to do that
>but muh +1/+1 counters
you have other cheaper creatures already doing that your artifact/enchantment sweeper does not need to be synergistic just play something less expensive or more flexible

>cast spell
>guy is on his phone
>10 minutes later
>no wait I counter that you can't just do stuff without letting me respond

Big fan of this card in my flicker deck

>>96294752
uh??? what

>>96294756
Play for 3, bring back something nice, maybe a charming prince for example. Prince etb blink Astelli bring back a fetchland or basic you sacrificed to something

>>96294762
>>96294762
>>96294762

>>96294655
Attach the aura to the Stormsinger. It'll hit first because it has First Strike, and trigger. You can then move the aura to one of the myriad-clone Enforcers to get another trigger when they deal damage, then get a second trigger, then move the aura to the original Enforcer.

>>96294770
It's one of the wincon line in my Subira, Genasi is unblockable and I need Stormsinger to go exponential with the tokens.

>>96294802

>>96294722
30. One of each color combination. Start with your favorite color combination, then go with a mono color and off to the races.

>>96294764
what's it like not being able to read?

>>96294764
>nonland

>>96294722
I dunno but I'm up to 45 and it feels like I have too many but I can't decide which ones to axe

>>96293825
Both