Thread 96293656

Ghost on a ghost Edition

>Previously, in the Mortal Realms
>>96285157


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>Thread question:
What army do you almost want to start but there's just one thing holding you back?

>>96293656 (OP)
I'd look into miniature barb wire. There's a few different designs, pictured is one of the ones you can use without pricking the shit out of your fingers but there are more barbed options that will prick the shit out of your fingers

>>96293668
fuck meant to repsond to
>>96293543

>>96293656 (OP)
>What army do you almost want to start but there's just one thing holding you back?
Helsmiths of Hashut
They forgot to make the chaos dwarfs look like *chaos* dwarfs

>>96292639
>No hobbying this weekend, had to finish some work around the house. Good luck with your fyreslayers anon.
Thank you, Anon. Just waiting until I have both time and energy to begin priming and painting. I've been building and painting for twenty years but this will be my first, unarmored/bare skinned army. Should be an experience.
>>96293435
>Got the faces on my wardens mostly done. Just need to do the final skin highlight and helmet cleanup+gems before I take closeup pics.
Looking forward to seeing pictures when you post them!

>>96293675
You're really going to start off this thread with low tier bait like that huh

>tq
I want to stat a Nurgle army but my current ironjawz need to be painted first. I must exhibit self control

Anyway, can a nurgle list run a great unclean one and also a maggoth? Kinda want plaguebearers but I have no idea how the army list builds. I also don’t want to copy tourney lists if I can help it

>>96293656 (OP)
>TQ
CoS battleforce still isn't discounted at my FLGS

>>96293725
It's not bait it's just me snarkily venting my disappointment
I wanted spikes and arrows and chains and hooks

>>96293673
>sculpt
I would just buy GWs vine kit tbhon
That said, wire armature and epoxy like everything else. A thorny texture and bramble texture wouldn't be so hard to carve off cured milliput

>>96293656 (OP)
>TQ
Chaos Dwarves but I haven't even finished my current army

>>96293656 (OP)
>TQ
I like Nighthaunt a lot but all of their stuff looks so samey I don't think I'd enjoy painting a larger number of their minis

>>96293656 (OP)
>CoS
Dispossessed's ambiguous status, plus only having worked on two Hurricanums and a Griffon which will probably go too ffs. If it's gone I'll just go with WGA Conquistadors and fireforge dorfs for a spiteful homogenous feel

>>96293656 (OP)
I tried starting a skaven army but the thought of painting like 80 clan rats made me want to die so I wound up selling/trading my skaven to get the stuff to make like 3 other armys.

All done minus the base. Tear into it if you want. I wanna know how do do better.
One of these days I should put a lightbox together.

>>96294065
looks like dogshit tbqh

>>96294072
Are we fuckin' with him? It looks fantastic...?

ALSO ANON WHO POSTED ORIGINALLY, HOW DID YOU DO THE JADE.

>>96293812
I feel this. They were some of the first models I ever painted and by the time I got done with A unit of Chainrasps and Glaivewraiths I was sick of them. It took me like a year to actually finish painting Reikenor and at the end I really phoned him in.
If I were to even paint them again I'd have to think of a new scheme.

>>96294076
The jade is base Caliban green, layer up the bigger streaks with Kabalite green until they're visible. Then I mixed in I think Temple Guard blue in with the Kabalite in a couple of different quantities until I felt the smallest lines were bright enough. I also did a bit of stippling.
For comparison this is a Skink Alpha I did a couple years ago when I last painted lizards. I actually couldn't find the old GW video that I followed for the jade so I just found a picture of jade I liked and tried to follow it.

>>96294065
Looks sweet

>>96293656 (OP)
>TQ
Probably Sylvaneth. I just don't care for tree chaff at all. I wanna play big cool fucking tree dudes and all the sick bug boys especially that centerpiece on that sick beetle.

>>96294065
Loving it bro

>TQ
Blade of Khorne, but I don't know how much count-as is too much count-as

>pic related

>>96294065
Gaming, love it man.

>>96290519
>>96290568
>>96290575
>>96290600
Interesting, thank you for the info. It looks like it could be a tad too big to use for a Mannfred/Neferata proxy, which is a shame because I've been brainstorming a bunch of neat conversion ideas. It would do fine as a zombie dragon if I acquire some graveyard scenery to litter the base with. It would have been perfect if james didn't have to keep dicking with base sizes.

I just barely pulled it off, but I did a full ten man unit of Steelhelms this weekend.

Hopefully the last Steelhelms I ever have to paint

>>96293656 (OP)
>>TQ
>What army do you almost want to start but there's just one thing holding you back?
Ogor Mawtribes. I was so close to picking them up because I really like the models, but the army is just in a weird limbo right now and seems a bit too stat-checky for my tastes.

>>96294489
If it weren't for the zero rumors about them I'd have said they were next in line for a refresh.

FUCK YOU GUYS I LIKE THE NEW CHAOS DWARVES AND IM GOING TO BUY THE ARMY BOX

>>96294543
I dont mind it. If i wasnt already tackling a new army id get it too.

Waiting for the yearly wh+ models to see if I should resub or not. What's going on at GW? This a guy in womanface?

>>96291491
I don’t think the design itself is racist in a vacuum, but it is when the character’s main deal is that he’s mixed. He’s specifically described in the first novel as kind of lithe and not particuarly tall, inheriting that and his skin color from his reclaimed mother, but doing his hair and moustache up in azyrite military style. Then the new design makes him a big muscular black man with dreads, and in that one Hammer and Bolter episode he’s also very quick to anger and very violent, the opposite of his personality everywhere else and just a straight racist caricature when combined with his new design.

I think it’s funny to take a character who’s evoking real world politics to introduce the concept of the reclaimed/azyrite divide to the audience (he’s got more esteemed azyrite pedigree than most people who call themselves azyrites in Excelsis, but percieved only as reclaimed because of his skin color) and then just straight up doing the exact thing with the character that the racist figures in the narrative do, by ignoring everything about him except his blackness. I don’t really give that much of a shit when he’s at least portrayed with the personality he has in the novels, like he does in dawnbringers and the shitter non-horth one in hammerhal, but GW is so lucky no one gives enough of a shit to watch hammer and bolter because this would be a controversy for other companies doing this in any other adaptation.

>TQ
Nighthaunt. I'm new to the hobby and have a few spearhead boxes already. Nighthaunt seem cool with the large range of color schemes that fit them.

>>96294598
You’re better off asking in the 40K general.

>>96294446
Maybe you'll be lucky and they'll make an elite infantry with cool helmets so you won't have to do faces.

>>96294543
Buy 1, 2, 3 or 4, buy as many as you want, it's your money, not mine.

Guys, what events or happenings have occurred in the lore in this 4th edition so far and also does anyone know when the first spoilers for the 5th edition will come out?

>>96295075
Spoilers for 5th are going to show up like late 2026 as they start gearing up for the next edition because of the stupid 3 year cycle thing.

The vermindoom is the big 4e thing, the Skaven polluting leylines across the realms and then corrupting them all at once to launch massive invasions. Each battletome has different major events that’re a result of it related to the specific faction the tome is about, like barak-urbaz falling and it’s population escaping to become a nomadic fleet of skyships, or the Idoneth burning Cythai souls to awaken incarnates of the oceans etc. there’s a ton of big things like that, too many to cover in a 4chan post

WIP on my squire. Please post models, especially WIPs.

>>96295075
Nothing new, just Skaven kicking everyone's ass and no one seems to care that some rats on two legs are conquering them. The spoilers won't come out until the end of next year, but there's a high probability that they're related to the arrival of the red vampire king and the appearance of the shadow elves and their god.

>>96295075
Skaven knocked down one of the KO skyports and all the survivors now live on boats

>>96295208
I am working on this Be'lakor right now. I am not a high level painter, so the thing thats rough with this model is making it look interesting with all of the black.

I guess this image reflects what the first and part of the second edition of AoS was like, right?

>>96295281
Nope

>>96294598
That's a DoK player

>>96295281
It represents what people who’re mind broken by sloptubers think aos is or was

Looks like I've got a few model projects to do once I've finished up the last of my Maggotkin. Going to be making custom Plague Ogors with a mix of Ironguts, Blightkings and other Chaos kits, plus I'm also looking to kitbash Fellwater Troggoths into Bile Troggoths.
All for 1st edition, using the Legends Tamurkhan’s Horde rules.

DoT book when

>>96295379
Plausibly within the next 12 months.

>>96295281
I don't known much about SM but GW have always said they were an inspiration. 1E is definitely a little odd in its showcasing of Stormcast and the various Stormhosts, which might be more Space Marine centric but idk and it's probably a consequence of it being all they had to work with more than anything. 100s of Blue Liberators, 100s Red Liberators...
Late 1st edition overlaps with 2nd so the tone is definitely different in year three of 1st.

>>96295355
Why 1st over 2nd?

Is this any good, especially for someone who wants to get into Cities lore?

>>96295416
The title story is good. I can't recall what else is in there.

>>96293283
>>was the most cosmopolitan
>>is now the realms' largest trash heap

>>96294522
>zero rumours
Not so fast
>>96295208
Pretty sweet anon, that large hammer is a kitbash right ? Don't think I've seen it before.
>>96295580
It's Barak-Urbover

I just finished painting the combat patrol, now I can look forward to the new one.

>>96295600
This is either
>Globb is like Greasus in appearance, with a miniature illustrating it
or
>Globb is like Greasus in mortality
Given 4th editions purging of past materials it could be either.

>>96295704
Lookin good

>>96295416
yeah, here's a link to others too
https://files dot fm/u/mzy8nxqupa

>>96295600
nothing on Fyreslayers from tga yet?

>>96295809
Nothing since the original weird battletome stuff, afaik.

>>96295600
Yeah, I removed the stupid undead head from his staff and slapped the hammer head on it from the same kit. No casual necromancy in my cities army. Here's the actual character too.

>>96295809
the silence is deafening

>>96295910
:(

>>96294065
You executed basic techniques very well and it looks great.
There is always room to push yourself with more difficult techniques but if you are happy with the result (and you should be) then great on you anon. It's a poppin' lizard

>>96294598
> Let's have the tranny dress in the same outfit and try the mimic the hairstyle of an actual woman
Literally yikes. Why open yourself up to the direct comparison. Genuinely humiliating and I feel bad for that guy (since that's a man).

>>96294639
> Reclaimed are dark/black skinned
This doesn't even make sense to me, since sense 1.0 we have had plenty of black Azyrites (the excelsior warpriest has been painted black for a decade now), further reinforced by short stories like Bonereaper, where the Shyish city's Azyrite warpriest is also described as having 'dark skin.'
But suddenly for good boy points being black is a 'Reclaimed' thing?
Fuck this lazy company.

>>96295958
We also have plenty of reclaimed and native tribes shown as having normal skin.
Black skin is only a reclaimed thing in the mind of retards.

>>96295973
According to the other anon Toll being 'reclaimed' is now explicitly associated with his skin color. So is the company retarded (the answer is yes).

>>96295994
I would have to check out the book but bl likes to basically invent their own canon from time to time. See also idoneth deepkin novel clashing heavily with the battletome lore.

>>96293656 (OP)
IDK
I love elves and I love sharks, but I play more Warcry than full AoS and you can't use the Allopex in Warcry

>>96295341
Wrong, this is a typical DoK player

>>96296077
A gay larper?

>>96293656 (OP)
>tq
ogres
no particular reason besides the fact that I should finish my current army first + refresh rumours on the horizon

>>96296077
Morathi hates men

>>96295809
There was a guy on TGA, not Whitefang tier but who sometimes has legit info, who said that someone who leaked him the faction name for Chorfs also told him "don't worry about Fyreslayers, they're coming a different way". So there is that.

>>96296245
Which guy is that ? I only know about the two whitefangs.
Also why are all the leakers on tga now, we used to get leaks here. We used to be a proper theead.

Noose

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ahtkbnq6/let-the-abhorrants-impart-their-powerful-delusions-upon-you-with-new-rules-for-the-flesh-eater-courts/

>>96296295
Nezzhil? I don't remember the exact spelling, something like that.

He's kind of an asshole but he's often right and has some connections. I think he's probably got an in with playtesters since he's always jacking off the rules team.

>>96296320
With that armor choice it looks like the Akhelian joined the Stormvermin

>>96296324
I've read this twice and I still can't parse what the hell is supposed to be happening

>>96295958
>>96295973
The reclaimed around the coast of tusks where Excelsis is have a particualr type of black skin that’s inherently associated with the reclaimed because that’s what reclaimed from the area look like, this was a choice Nick horth obviously made to introduce the concept to the reader (because it was one of, if not the, first books set in a CoS and exploring what their culture is like), by rooting it in an understandable real world parallel, and I think both of these responses are really fucking stupid for not being able to understand that purposeful decision.

In another story they head further inland from Excelsis to a swamp town that supplies the city with its silksteel, and there the native reclaimed are pale skinned and vaguely Celtic, visually defined by their tattoos more than anything else. This is partially to show the audience that the reclaimed/azyrite divide is more than just skin color.

If you’ve never read the book to know that, why would you start getting mad about someone who very clearly has and is literally explaining the purpose of it in that narrative? Also you should read it, the Callis and toll series is actually great BL fiction.

>>96296295
Nezzhil I think

>>96296332
If it's the first turn, you simply pick a Delusion. If it's not the first turn, you roll a D6 to determine how the new Delusion is selected.

>>96296324
Fuck that looks sexy as hell.

>>96295922
>stand tall
heh

>>96296336
Godeater's Son was helpfully upfront about the matter. At the front of the book there's a QRD of who the Reclaimed tribes of the region are and what they're like.

>>96296077
Based

>>96296370
Interestingly old dragon is innthe picture

>>96296328
>>96296339
Oh yeah I've heard of the guy, has gotten some things right in the past. Cheers anons
>>96296419
>bharat
Lel always funny when bl writers just put real world shit in there. Reminds me of the map of the great parch just having a piece straight up traced from SEA and southern china

>>96296336
>and I think
no, you clearly do not.
callis wasn't black in the original book and since the retcon he's now been presented as someone who looks obviously as a reclaimed due to his dark skin also to random people in aqshy where such association is pure nonsense.
even near excelsis it was nonsense unless you want to pretend that azyrites aren't also black, which neither GW or retarded tools like you would ever even consider as a possibility.

>>96296370
> Gorewarden on part of an OBR terrain piece
> Corpse pile from OBR endless spell
THIS IS CULTURAL APPROPRIATION

>>96296504
>Corpse pile from OBR endless spell
nah, those are either the ghouls' own spells or the corpse cart

>no mention of the aor for fec
Cmon. Don’t do me like that gw. At least the rules look neat.

>>96296463
>callis wasn't black in the original book
Literally one of the first things you have described about him is his skin color and it’s specifically noted he inherited it from his reclaimed mother, he’s black on the cover of the second book, how are you this confident about a book you haven’t read? I am literally explaining to you the very obvious real world parallel being used to teach you about the fictional concept that doesn’t map directly onto it, I’m not writing an essay on the themes, it’s just in the book

>>96296419
Godeater’s son is great, Noah van Nguyen is a really good author who has his finger on the pulse of aos in a way that not many authors since Josh reynolds have had. Guys that spit poison and blue skinned halflings are just very aos-y concepts thrown in without needing to have anyone in-universe act like it’s weird or unusual

>>96296635
>all dark skin = black
>especially in a fantasy setting

>>96296635
>Literally one of the first things you have described about him is his skin color
which is not black
>he’s black on the cover of the second book
no, he's not

Do you think azyrites have less blacks than other realms?

The thing that bothered me with their new designs is that they no longer have neatly styled facial hair.

>>96296714
moustaches are too old world coded
we're on discworlds now

>>96296714
You'll get norf fc blokes and you'll like it
I genuinely like the ghb art at least

>>96296661
I just said he had a particular type of dark skin in the op, the guy saying “he wasn’t black” wasn’t saying he’s not literally African because it makes no sense to be saying that in response to me, he was saying he thought Callis was white.

>>96296677
> wasn’t black
> He had the same dark skin and slight, lithe frame of his mother, a legacy of the many generations his ancestors had spent scratching an existence from the ruthless plains and valleys of the Coast of Tusks.

His dad has a Germanic empire name because he’s an archtypical azyrite, you don’t get any description of him or that side of the family besides the name, but it’s fairly obvious from that he’s supposed to read as white. You don’t have to assume that and him being mixed with whatever you like still produces the same result, but it’s also really fucking obvious that the first reclaimed who’s showing off the idea to the audience being a mixed dude with dark skin, in a novel that highlights the way reclaimed are an underclass, is using the parallel to introduce the idea to the audience. I think you are genuinely stupid if you read that and assume that means I think all reclaimed are the same real world ethnicity, or that all azyrites are white or whatever, especially when I pointed out what other ghurish reclaimed look like in other stories from that book series

> Do you think azyrites have less blacks than other realms?

Is there something wrong with you that makes you not able to read what you’re responding to? His dark skin is what has people define him as reclaimed in Excelsis, because the reclaimed from the coast of tusks have that dark skin. In other cities, in other places, where the native reclaimed look different, his skin color doesn’t have people assume he’s reclaimed. This is shown off in that book series, and also really fucking obvious if you think about it for 2 seconds.

>>96296714
It’s fucked up they didn’t even let one character keep a moustache or funny hat. Sigmar made them all shave and hand in the feathers

>>96296677
Illiterate

>>96296835
>second generation since Stormcast returned
doesn't that make Callis old as fuck, like hundreds of years old at this point?

>>96296799
yes, that's not black
>Is there something wrong with you that makes you not able to read what you’re responding to?
No, I understand perfectly, you on the other hand understand nothing:
if azyrites are also black, then the reclaimed being blacks is not something that can possibly serve as a characteristic that defines and separates them as reclaimed in opposition with the azyrites settling in excelsis
you want to have your cake and eat it too, but that's not how things work, if being black identifies some reclaimed as such, then it cannot be a trait in any significant number of azyrites

You've got to choose whether azyrites are multiethnic, or whether some reclaimed can be identified as such by being black.

>>96296844
No there are still reclaimed who don’t give a fuck about the cities. Edessa is technically a reclaimed city

>>96296844
GW doesn't care about timelines, as far as they are concerned, past stuff about callis and toll isn't canon and what's getting re-referenced is retconned into having happened recently instead.

>>96296835
that's not "black"
>>96296677
this is not black

>>96296849
NTA As a black person myself it’s really funny reading this and knowing just how much every single culture in the British isles hated each other, and the French, and the Germans, and the nords. Or how much American colonies despised every new generation of European immigrants until they didn’t to turn around and do it again. You’re being obtuse if you think humans need skin color differences to hate each other I don’t even know why you need to latch onto this so hard. Their “queer ways and gods” is and has always been more than enough reason to oppress people into the dirt what does this angle serve for you?

>>96296844
Reclaimed didn’t all immediately join the cities the exact moment they were formed, the book I think later has a guy say his grandfather fought in the realmgate wars. The new corebook also gave a definitive timeline for some reason and says it’s been 137 years since the realmgate wars, so it’s not even that long.

>>96296866
retard
>fluff says he's black
>model based on fluff is black
NOOOOO I THOUGHT HE WAS HECKIN WHITE LIKE MEEEEE (Indian second generation migrant)

>>96296799
>in other places, where the native reclaimed look different, his skin color doesn’t have people assume he’s reclaimed
but people are shown thinking the same in hammerhal where the native reclaimed look different

>>96296891
>>fluff says he's black
no, it doesn't
>>model based on fluff
the model is not based on the fluff, they changed everything, including the fluff

artworks are also fluff, by the way, >>96296677 this should have been considered

I'm painting callis white with an empire greatsword headswap
Fuck GW and their "canon"

>>96296902
>I haven't read the books
>but I'm really concerned about this topic guys, look at the cover
get a hobby

>>96293656 (OP)
Soon

>>96296887
>You’re being obtuse if you think humans need skin color differences to hate each other
I literally never said or implied or even thought this

Learn to read, retard

>>96296919
My mistake you said something even stupider

Azyrites are all white and are suffering from darkie migrants now
What did GW mean by this?

>>96296911
Stop projecting and get a real argument, faggot.

>>96296925
>you said something even stupider
Go on, say in your own words what you think the point I made was, show the class whether you can actually read.

>>96296935
doesn't matter, mutt. Callis IS black. Cope and seethe you little chud faggot lmao

>>96296887
>>96296946
>doesn't matter
You say that only because you have no argument, you samefaggot.

>>96296958
What's the argument? The book says he has dark skin, an artist draws him black, GW gives him a black model and you're crying

>>96296969
dark skin could mean olive like an italian who are white or indian who are asian/white. GW clearly retconned the character to meet a DEI benchmark, discord has been talking about this for a while with the empire army being full of blacks because of such

It's that guy. The one with the hat.

>>96296849
Is there some American brainrot that defines “black” as a specific thing rather than an umbrella term? Are you trying to say “black” means “from Africa” so “Dark skin from generations living on the savannah” in a fantasy world can’t be called black? This feels so weirdly obtuse as an objection.

> if azyrites are also black, then the reclaimed being blacks is not something that can possibly serve as a characteristic that defines and separates them as reclaimed in opposition with the azyrites settling in excelsis

I think this is something that falls apart the moment you consider this >>96296887 but also just seems to be disagreeing with the book and not me? Either way it’s not really a distinction that actually holds up in-universe anyway, another thing the book just has a character say, so it’s stupid to act like this means anything- azyrites are people descended from those that settled in azyr, which is anyone from anywhere because of the refugees in the age of chaos. There’s a recent story about reclaimed and azyrites who descend from the same original culture, those who refused to flee and those who survived in azyr, and how even though they are the same people fundamentally, the prejudices and dynamics of azyrites/reclaimed still exist between them.

The peoples from the coast of tusks share a particular skin color, so in Excelsis they view that skin color as a signifier of being reclaimed. Somewhere else in ghur, further away from the coast of tusks that Callis and toll visit, particular types of tattoo signify someone is reclaimed instead because that’s what the local cultures share as a trait. People in the living city would not assume Callis is a reclaimed because of his skin color, and would assume based on whatever their local cultures shared.

Callis even is an azyrite on his father’s side, it just doesn’t matter because his skin color marks him as reclaimed and that’s all people see him as. This is just what happens in the book

>>96296969
>What's the argument?
callis was not black, in either text or art, before gw retconned, rebooted and redesigned the characters
gw, or anyone else who treats black or dark skin as a feature that distinguishes some reclaimed people from azyrites, is either retarded or implies that azyrites do not have any significant amount of black or dark skinned people, which is shown to be wrong time and again
meaning that they are necessarily retarded

>>96296835
PIC is also a black man.
>>96296677
Some anons think having a sun tan is the same as being an american black man (North African)

>>96296988
>Is there some American brainrot that defines “black” as a specific thing rather than an umbrella term?
No, the american brainrot is doing the exact opposite and using black as an umbrella term for every other skintone.

>>96296894
Reclaimed in hammerhal aqysha I guess also tend to have dark skin given edassa and tahlia vedra, but if they say that in the shittier new Callis & Toll novel that wasn’t by Nick Horth then that’s just stupid and kind of funny. Getting clocked as reclaimed and them being right, but for completely the wrong reasons.

>>96296988
>Is there some American brainrot that defines “black” as a specific thing rather than an umbrella term?
yes we have black americans who claim characters are either black or black coded

This is truly the most retarded argument between a bunch of BBC lovers. Who cards how black your guy is if you're drooling for his cock. Now post your models faggots

>>96296983
Nta but
>olive like an italian
If this book was written in 1600 you might have a point, but bl library writers are not describing meds as dark skinned man
>indian
this one I could see but why the fuck would they retcon a non-white character to be another flavour of non-white for "dei reasons"
>who are white
lol
>>96297004
You don't inherit a sun tan from your mother anon.

>>96296994
If you want to be making the argument that dark skinned people from generations of savannah living doesn’t have to mean “African skin tone” then whatever, but they didn’t say he was Mediterranean or something and then change it, they always said he had dark skin and then the model came out with a specific type of dark skin? Are you saying you can’t describe the way he looks now as “dark skinned”? How they can they simultaneously not be specific about what exact skin color he has, but then also be retconning and forcibly changing his skin color to make him a different type of dark skin?

>>96297030
imagine writing that shit, you are a degenerate seek help

>>96297014
>Reclaimed in hammerhal aqysha I guess also tend to have dark skin
Which is also retarded because we have already seen the ethnic distribution of the natives of this region of aqshy first and foremost with the bloodbound and darkoath tribes made up of said aqshyan natives gobbled up by or turned to chaos, and nowhere in those we've seen a predominant amount of dark skinned people, or people with subsaharian features.

So to say that the reclaimed of hammerhal are black is again either retardation or a retcon.
Not to mention the continuous problem in trying to show this dark skin as something that can serve to identify them as if that wasn't something that would logically imply azyrites aren't like that, which has never been true.

Never played AoS, what is a typical goblin list you've played / played against? I heard a lot of it is either all gobbos or all trolls or all squigs because of the bonuses? I kind of like a bit of everything with models first and game second but I want to also play at some point.

>>96297045
yeah, sure, let's describe this fantasy ethnicity in a setting without the mediterranean sea as "mediterranean"
>but they didn’t say or something and then change it, they always said he had dark skin and then the model came out with a specific type of dark skin?
you keep conveniently and repeatedly ignoring the artwork that showed the degree of said dark skin >>96296677

Is there actually any indication as to how large the great parch is ? There's regions irl where people with pretty varied skintones live relatively close.

>>96297068
I think it’s stupid if it’s something consistent about hammerhal aqysha, but at the same time it is in a specific part of the parch that is also specifically surrounded by a bunch of places like Edassa so whatever I guess. The parch is a big place with a lot of cities.

>>96297093
The only estimate given to us is that it’s about the size of Russia.

>>96297093
roughly the size of the eurasian continent
but that alone is a pointless peice of info, geographical barriers, cultural barriers, migrations and means of locomotion matter much much more than mere distance

you can have more and more varied ethnic groups in peaceful mountainous villages separated by a rock throw than you can have all over a huge nation like china due to its history

>>96297093
People have done napkin maths based on shaky distances and it’s like 10x the size of Eurasia or something ridiculously huge like that

>>96297106
>specifically surrounded by a bunch of places like Edassa
there aren't "a bunch of places like edassa", there are a bunch of places, and edassa is one, but nowhere it's stated or even implied that they're like edassa, on the contrary, edassa is presented as special.

>>96297093
I remember some unverified claim from six years back that approximated the Brimstone Peninsula to the size of Russia. So if an anonymous poster sharing some TGA rando's summary of an unspecified Twitch stream from over half a decade ago counts for anything, you may take away that the Great Parch is very big.

>>96297107
>>96297110
>>96297111
>>96297127
Pretty funny that you all gave wildly different sizes, I guess that says enough.

>>96297093
There wa a map of Hammerhal Aqsha, from which someone calculated the city is about the size of Tokyo. Then they extrapolated the city's icon across the continent map

>>96297038
>You don't inherit a sun tan from your mother anon.
You do inherit how fast and how much you tan though.

>>96297127
Yeah it’s huge, basically impossible to give any “accurate” measurements but the main continent areas that the maps feature are all colossal and only represent a tiny portion of the realm. Fort festermere to greywater, a tiny distance on the Ghyran map, is almost a week’s journey when travelling in a high-speed cogfort designed specifically to traverse ground quicker than normal vehicles do

>>96297146
More like Hammerhal Aww Shit

>>96297038
>You don't inherit a sun tan from your mother anon.
You do, specially if you both live in the same place and are exposed to the sun...
(you should study basic biology and genetics)

The new article foe FEC really feels like this is a nerf... Also GW really has no fucking clue what to do with Nagash do they? I feel like they don't want him to be able to do more outside of being the "I resurect your reinforced cav/morghast block one time" guy.

>>96297202
So you want Nagash to do another Black Pyramid ?

>>96297237
I want Nagash to be good! And if that means another black pyramid then so be it! Imagine being defacto god of the dead and the most you can do is spread out some d3's (if they're in range, and on a 7+) and you can only kill in melee which your profiles are just FINE. Nagash needs a Zenkai boost.

>>96296657
> Writes as good as Josh Reynolds
Anon don't say this you might make me want to listen to his work.
Josh was the second best GW had before he left

>>96297093
>>96297127
I don't know if this is actually supported by anything but if you assume the part of the great parch that looks like indochina is actually the same size as indochina irl you end up with something like this. Accounting for the mercator projection massively inflating siberia etc I'd say the great parch is somewhere between asia and eurasia in size.

>>96297088
Sir we are agreeing about skin tone in this thread maybe take your 'playing a game' talk elsewhere, like reddit

>>96297088
I just run mixed stuff every edition and deal with whatever their rules are like at the time. I don't think gitz will ever be tier one, so I'd suggest just taking the suffering you think looks neat.paintimg a full army also takes a chunk of time, you may find that by the time you're done the rules have changed.

>>96297088
All people I've played in normal games brought a list of mixed stuff, sometimes leaning towards gobbo/troll/squig, but still not fully one subfaction. I've heard that specializing was the way to go in tournaments but in normal casual play that wasn't really a thing. The new battletome also encourages mixing it up, so you should see more mixed armies in competitive games now too..

>>96297448
>>96297439
Thats all great to hear, I've always been more interesting army/models first, I just wanted to make sure if it is at all playable.
Also, really nice varied models >>96297439

>>96297439
posting since 2022 lol always nice to see your stuff

>>96297343
probably not a good idea to use the mercator projection here, since we're talking about sizes

>>96295413
It's the edition I've always played, I've got all the books for it, me and my opponent have a load of models for 1st and it's quick and easy to play so I've really never had a reason to move on to later editions.
The only reason I'm going to be playing 4th later in the year is due to Helsmiths.

Anti charge on my paper ghouls and +1 or -1 to run feels nowhere near as useful as the charge bonus. Same goes for our dear Falconmaster, is anyone particularly excited for dropping control score but it does mention beasts which I'm not sure what falls under that category in FEC so that's exciting...?

Feeding frenzy is now once per battle feels like a massive hit alongside what I'm gonna guess is a weakened Muster Guard. Anon from the other thread you said to get excited, this all looks like a step down power wise :(

>>96297646
That is as bad as my Fyreslayers losing axe throws to a one a game and shields completely. Beginning to feel like playing 3E or earlier is the only way to enjoy AoS anymore. The flavor is being drained.

In the Soul Drinkers series the second book had an Inquisitor show up to hunt them down. Except midway through the book he realizes that his mission is a sham. He's this powerful, well-connected man who has supposedly reached the apex of Imperial Prestige. The big turning point is when he realizes just how many powerful people the Inquisition is formed of and how little the Soul Drinkers matter. A galaxy is at war and this is just one chapter among hundreds. This book almost has this moment and that's as good as it gets. She almost has a moment when she realizes that her empire is one speck of dust in Aqshy. And even then the plot serves to suck her off.

The characters are bland. The protagonist wins through everything she planned going exactly as she plans it. The antagonists simply exist to slow her down, never seriously injure or wound her. Many novels are this predictable, but very few are this boring about it. It's fun to watch Tahlia re-form her crusade, learn her lesson, and march on out. The only fun to be had here is reading the better book you get a tease of after this one. It is only enjoyable if you has a lobotomy and can't remember how the last book went.

files.catbox.moe/fcwcif.mobi

>>96297646
>it does mention beasts which I'm not sure what falls under that category in FEC so that's exciting...?
Don't get your hopes up. Sometimes rules are bizarrely written to cover units that don't exist, like the Tzaangor Shaman's buff mentioning that it lets non-flying Tzaangor units run and shoot.

>>96297669
Feels like a deathknell for your army once the book hits, I didn't even like the noble deeds points but at least it was a suitable buff for the risk of having your main movers and shakers on the front lines actively doing shit. I feel like dropping from +1 attack +1 to hit as an aura to just "I dunno, some random bullshit that'd be fine as a passive on top of noble deeds" There's 8 total so maybe they just showed off the worst ones but holy shit what a kick in the dick.

>>96297682
Maybe Terrorgheist will get beast status or Falconeer will let us get use fell bats in the army?

>>96297617
I prefer fleshed out battletomes, grabs alliance having rules, artefacts, rr saves mystic shield and every hero using command abilities.
1st edition is very unique in the context of AoS whereas everything thereafter tweaked 2nd edition

>>96297702
>Feels like a deathknell for your army once the book hits,
Yeah, as someone who plays both F-EC and Slayers I am not looking forward to the Slayers book now. The F-EC stuff has me feeling really concerned and the other new Battletomes I have read all feel very stripped down and generic too.

>>96297756
Nighthaunt are also getting it pretty bad with them now being able to be hit with rend, the whole purpose of the fucking faction was being ghosts.

>>96297755
*grand alliances
Battle traits, artefacts, command traits
1st edition is very much half of the game isn't playing the same system like Fyreslayers having no battle traits or anything

>>96297646
>beasts
The ape from the beastflayer?

>>96297646
>only cares if the rules are powercreep
Fuck off

>>96297764
Christ, really? That invalidates the entire ghost aspect. They need to bring back the 1e/2e rule writers. Bring back the Malign Portents crew. Bring back Grand Alliances too.

>>96297764
Thank God they finally removed that dumb shit faction wide. Making it special or reduce rend is fine, complete faction wide negation to a mechanic that is used to balance all units in the game is retarded

>>96297646
Have we even see the new profile for crypt guard? I don’t really see the complaints, it’s also not like you’re stuck with 1 potentially lousy effect you get two other things to take advantage of with just this delusion.

>>96297777
Technically that is a ghoul, no clue how but uhh... Technically?

>>96297780
I'm not asking to be overpowered but if they're gonna just slice off and nerf big sections of the army, I'd rather get something meaningful to replace it. This feels as bad as when they hit the SBGL necromancer's Dance Macabre to now cost a CP and still be a 50/50.

I can’t wait for OBR to get a tome. Getting -1 to everything for existing in their zip code while they buff themselves to shit is a riveting gameplay experience.

>Aggradon Lancers
>1 Lance, one Banner, 1 on the Drums
This feels bad

>>96297679
Shit man I could have just told you it sucked by looking at the cover.

>>96297832
And SBGL are still a like top 4 army. They haven't shown the rest of the delusions and big ush basically makes your rolls always good and almost removes the rng.

>>96297821
Was there mention of changing profiles for cryptguard? I'm just hoping we get some good options, if it's gonna be based on RNG what our buffs are I'd hope we have a decent batch of them to cycle through. (at least Ush lets you control it slightly) Goremayne's is fun since it seems like it's a safer version of his Regicide accusation. (since no one has to die)

>>96297867
I'm probably pearl clutching too hard with limited information, I do hope FEC gets some fun options.

>>96297851
at least they look pretty cool

>>96297815
did they say what they're getting in exchange or is it just like a higher ward save or some shit

>>96297880
>I do hope FEC gets some fun options
Me too, I don't mean to shit on them just I wanna see it all.
>>96297898
Not sure yet. I think like olynder should still be immune and have a ward or something but full faction wide negation has been so ass to fight against since forever. Chaff ghosts should die like the rats they are

>>96297851
>WYSIWYGFAG
Aw man I just had to ruin this kit I paid for, I just had to.

>>96297646
His bat may not be a token but it's probably just an broad coverage thing.
inb4 crypt ghouls are beasts now

>>96297939
Maybe GW will be kind and we'll get an extra release this year. And also won't kill the Terrorgheist and Zombie dragon kits from FEC.

As ghoul anon I'm pleased by the FEC reveals. And I demand people post the book when they have it. Such is my decree as a herald of the Summerking.

>>96298004
There's multiple ghoulanons you can't just be ghoulanon

>>96297897
Keep meaning to get started on my lizards, your guy looks great. Glad to see you in aosg again

>>96298137
All 3 FEC players globally are in this thread right now.

>>96297488
Thanks anon, I think it's fine to glance at the rules to get an idea of what they're gonna do in game, but I wouldn't stress about making something meta.
>>96297502
Thanks buddy, I haven't added much to them since. I can't pretend like the release of snarlfangs didn't knock the wind from my sails a bit. Kinda killed the motivation I had to do more wolf conversions. Then I was started KB allies for them and gw killed that. Kinda in a holding pattern on the army while I decide what I'm gonna do with them going forward.

>>96298157
I've seen 3 itt, and met at least 4-5 more who don't post their models.

>>96298157
>>96298205
Some of the most consistent posters itt for some reason, along with multiple ironjawz anons. Don't see much ghoul players irl in my area, so glad to have em.

>>96298291
It's slow at work so I get bored, posting here weirdly keeps me consistent at doing hobby work.

>>96298291
Might be because it's an army that once you find an effective scheme, the only thing that slows you down is running out of grey models

>>96298145
Thanks anon and you really should. I don't know how they play cause I'm a dirty nogames but they're absurdly fun to paint. I lurk fairly often btw, just don't want to spam my stuff too much.

>>96295580
when did this happen

>>96298301
I do enjoy my minty green ghouls, glad a fuckup in colors wound up working for me as well as it did.

>Look at warhammer Fantasy
>Cathay still no info
>AoS Chorfs or any more minis
>Still no info

Dunno anons, should i get another army or wait for something? (Skaven and Ironjaws, i feel 3rd army could be Seraphon)

>>96296320
>Acolytes in melee
Are they fucking stupid?

>>96298350
Can you pass the paints for the scales?

Tried my own way but wasn't satisfied

>>96298350
You should because your stuff is actually good and it's better than most of the shit flinging and other queer shit

I really want more Regiments of Renown that bridge Grand Alliances. It would be great to be able to grab some wights to use in a Cities of Sigmar army.

>>96298449
>Are they fucking stupid?
They're skaven

>>96298459
I eagerly await the inevitable all-armies Maneaters RoR (if they get a new kit, that is...)

>>96298488
They never got a new mini right?

Imperial, Araby, Ninja, Pirate... Did i forgot one?

>>96298186
>snarlfangs didn't knock the wind from my sails
Even after TOW brought back the Gitmob kits? I'm tempted to copy eastern empire's kitbashes

>>96297867
What's good in SBGL nowadays anyways? Just skeleton spam or is it Herohammer

>>96298400
Just now. It's part of the Skaven invasion thing and we learned about it with the KO tome

>>96298548
They have different ways to play, at least more than before the index.
Zombies still kinda suck tho.

>>96298570
Bummer on zombies but they don't have much support until GW drops a big zombie update 6 years from now.

anything stand out at least? I don't remember many stats changing or any buffs since wasn't most of the big release just new models for old stuff?

>>96298449
>Can you pass the paints for the scales?
Stegadon scale green - 1:1 coelia greenshade:nuln oil wash - vgc turquoise - vgc aquamarine - baharroth blue(subtle). Everything drybrushed except for the washes, obviously.
>>96298455
I'm really happy to hear that anon, I'll try to drop a picture here and there.

>>96298520
You made these? Fucking sick-looking

Do like the grot fighter

>>96298583
you say dirty nogames, I spent years just grabbing random minis until I finally just decided to drop the cash for some armies. Game itself is fun but I do wish I could convince my friends to get in since as much as I enjoy local pick up games, I wanna do shit in the comfort of my apartment on my own giant ass table.

>>96298507
>They never got a new mini right?
There was the pirate one for Underworlds
>Did i forgot one?
The drag one with a big rolling pin

>>96297766
>Fyreslayers having no battle traits or anything
???
Page 126 of the General's Handbook 2017, took me less than 5 seconds to find.

>>96298577
Vordhai, blood knights, barrow knight spam, sekhar soggy, belladonna with beasts.
Lots of options, some cheesier builds than others but they all work well, they have strong recursion to stay in the fight.

>>96298636
>Fyreslayers having something

Hey anons have Fyreslayers even had gotten something this year? Like minis or something?

>>96298652
They got one of those 'Scourge of Ghyran' things but beyond that, no I don't believe they've been given anything this year lol

>>96298594
No, that's from eastern empire: this guy with a Warhammer quest abd army projects blog
>>96298636
Damn, a year after release... Wasn't familiar with the GHB material beyond Wanderers/Dispossessed tbhon
Care to share the GHB pdfs?

>>96298707
GHB 2016

https://files.catbox.moe/79yd86.pdf

GHB 2017

https://files.catbox.moe/g83kxm.pdf

>>96297898
>did they say what they're getting in exchange
yeah a spot on the shelf for the next 3 years.

>>96298570
different ways to play badly, their only build is blood knights and vordrai.

>>96298004
As Ghouls!Anon from long, long ago I want the battletome myself, even if I am not all that excited for it.
>>96298652
>Hey anons have Fyreslayers even had gotten something this year? Like minis or something?
w-We'll get something... soon?

I kinda want to get into Ogors, what are the chances their models will get updated soon? I don't want to get a load of 'em now if they'll be updated in like 3 or 4 months.

Does anyone have a pdf of the Idoneth battletome?

>>96298780
>GHB 2016
>176 pagerinos
They don't bake 'em like that anymore, no sir.

>>96298780
TYVM!

>>96296320
Idk look pretty cool in rad

>>96298905
It depends on your definition of soon
3-4 months? no chances
1-2 years? high chances

safe purchases are gorgers, scenery, thundertusk/stonehorn, scraplauncher/ironblaster and probably mournfangs
anything left in resin or metal is of course as good as dead or replaced
the original 6th ed plastics (gluttons, belchers, ironguts) are surely going to change, gnoblars too, but I'm not too sure GW will actually bother updating them, they might as well erase them as a unit altogether
the disappearance of the relatively recent plastic wight king on steed creates a dangerous precedent for the safety of plastic pity heroes like the tyrant, so I wouldn't count them as a safe purchase
models that were at some point an underworlds band have shaky ground for survival

currently there's a rumor that glittermaw might be getting a model

>>96298958
a new tyrant won't make the old one bad, none of the plastic models are really bad anyway in the hands of a skilled hobbyist.

>>96298905
>tldr
Probably, but in 2026 at the earliest

Scroll up a bit and you'll see a reliable rumourmonger hint at a named character (globb) getting a model, which means a range refresh is in the cards. However expect 2026 at the earliest, rest of 2025 is chorfs, pity heroes and probably nurgle update around christmas. Guess we'll have to wait until the next roadmap drops for more solid info.
Like this anon >>96298958 said the beastclaw raider stuff will be fine, but the glutton/ironguts/leadbelcher kits are prime targets for refreshes, as are old characters. Plastic heroes are probably fine, although there was one guy in this thread on the same day as the tga rumour, claiming it would be replaced. Probably bullshit though, but you never know.

>>96298864
Hello Mr no games.

I know it's what the rumors said but I will be legit sad if yhetees don't get a plastic update this edition.

>>96299004
>>96298958
I wouldn't be surprised if the BCR stiff is just shipped back to Old World. They don't know what to do with BCR, the models are now old (not as old as ogres but still old) and BCR as a concept don't fit (it's just worse gargants).

After peopled pointed out that chaos dwarf look like world of warcraft reject i see it in Ironjawz aswell. They look so World of Warcraft.

Faction status: ruined

>>96299042
> Number of painted models owned: 0

>>96299041
Uh huh

>>96299042
Yeah, wrong way around though: Nelson influenced WoW

>>96298137
I am the ghoulanon. All other ghoulanons are ALSO ghoulanon, but that doesn't stop me from being ghoulanon.

>>96299042
Well, I painted my ironjaw army as the Iron Horde from WoW, so I've just leaned into the skid. Sometimes you just gotta embrace the fact that your models look like a cool thing from a cool game.

As someone from 40k, does Cities play similar to Imperial Guard?

>>96299042
Chorfs I get but ironjawz ? They're really nothing alike. Warcraft orcs look more like the normal fantasy boys, with some bonesplitterz overlap here and there.
>>96299133
Based

Can soulbound be made up of multiple different grand alliances? Like a bedsheet ghost, some cities boy, a ard boy, and a khadrons?
>>96299147
You could run all tanks in third edition. I dunno about 4th.

>>96299133
You were willing to paint and play that much back before the faction had all the cool new stuff, I give you big respect.

>>96299147
Yes and no. You have dudes that get buffed from getting ordered around by characters, and your dudes are generally less good than others when not buffed by orders.

>>96299192
>Can soulbound be made up of multiple different grand alliances? Like a bedsheet ghost, some cities boy, a ard boy, and a khadrons?
I think so? I haven't actually played it, but I do skim pdfs of the books for lore stuff and inspiration, and I distinctly recall a bit in the Destruction one talking about Bonesplitterz faring surprisingly well in Order bindings.

>>96293656 (OP)
>What army do you almost want to start but there's just one thing holding you back?
Kharadon, but I refuse to buy more minis before I finish my backlog.

Why is it everytime I see standing Ushorann it looks off. His little hunched over pose really does add a lot to him.

>>96299192
The destruction and death books both have sections about running mixed bindings and each archetype has a little bit about how they can end up in order ones. Destruction in particular even justifies it by saying sometimes people just end up bound together by waagh energy, particularly rowdy waaghs crackling with so much energy it burns through the waagh itself and leaves survivors with souls melted together, sometimes including people the waagh was fighting.

Normal soulbound are just people bound together by a god or equivalent group of spellcasters/godbeast/whatever that’s learnt the ritual. Exceptional greenskins or freedom seeking undead are part of “official” order pantheon ones sometimes, while anything goes for the crazier ones

THIS JUST IN NIGHTHAUNT NUTTERS

Looks like in exchange for Nighthaunt losing Ethereal, basically all their dudes except Chainrasps will be getting a bump up to 2hp.

>>96299041
No way they're getting rid of them, no, ogres are not big enough to get a whole new range with enough shit to replace the units they would remove by sending bcr away, and fluffwise and rulewise they have already solved what to do with them.

if you think otherwise it's probably because you're an ogrefag with absurd expectations/hopes for what your faction would get.

>>96293656 (OP)
>TQ
Lumineth Realm-Lords. Love their lore, love the novels, love the characters but they're too detailed, fiddly to build and have too many dangly snap-able bits on their models for me to collect.
I feel a third of each Lumineth model would snap off each time I need to transport them somewhere

>>96299524
Better than that other (in)famous standing Ushoran model we all know lmfao

>>96299601
That one just makes me mad because he can paint really good, then just slaps out this fuckin' hot piece of shit like "I think this looks much better" I wanna say it was a shitpost but the fact he put in the effort to paint it just irks me. And I guess he wins since we're still talking about it.

>>96299524
why is ushoran big unlike other vampires?

>>96299622
Mortarch

>>96298520
Yeah, cause some part of me thinks the new ones are super super cool, and also were pretty much all the ideas I was gonna do for my guys aside from this ridiculous centerpiece I've got built that I've been putting off. You should definitely do that conversion though if that's just old wolf riders on fenrisian wolves. I did that for my guys and the conversion was so easy it could barely be called converting. You build the riders out of the box, build the wolves out of the box, and just stick them together

>>96299524
Because the model is great by itself. It doesn't need to be changed.

>>96299524
He loses out on all the detail so it doesn’t really tell as much of a story anymore. Basically a bigger ghoul, you also lose out on the detail of his bone embedded crown. If you detail some gore as a necklace, maybe add some open wounds on him, it could be better.

>>96299622
He bulks out by being insane, when he got out of the tower he was locked in he was just massive.

>>96299622
Mutated strain

>>96299628
no other vampire mortarch is similarly huge

>>96299622
Because Strigoi are mutant, degenerate vampires and he succumbed to it for some reason.

>>96299622
A solid workout regimen and a lot of protein to fuel his gains.

>>96299524
Ushoran's original pose just perfectly encapsulates everything he and his whole faction is about, and it's a pretty striking silhouette, so it just feels wrong to see him different from that.
Also doesn't help that his weapon is specifically made to be held in that specific pose, so conversions will have to do a lot more work to make it appear natural in an upright pose, leading to errors, or they keep it as is and it just looks fucking weird (for example in the venturella version)
>>96299622
I think even back in whfb strigoi were desceibee as monstrously big, something with the more bestial nature of their strain or whatever. The avengorii are also about being savage and shit and they're massive as well. Ushoran specifically got a piece of nagash' power as a mortarch which probably helps a bit in the height department too.

>>96299648
Is there art depicting how he and the courts see him as?

>>96298640
>buy 20 blood knights or 20 barrow knights or 50 direwolves, you get to enjoy the ironjawz experience as soulblight now yay

>>96297843
don't charge them, play for points? not sure how people are struggling against them, they get like 6 units on the board and have no healing.

>>96297646
the falconer removes wards which is a pretty big fucking deal that's not mentioned in the article.

fec will be more than fine, but yes muster guard got nerfed or flipped to be a side grade

aor is ushoran + knights (seems atleast decent/fun), falconer + serfs (real bad)

>>96297805
ethereal changes are a side grade, the real nighthaunt nerf is removing wave of terror effects and nerfing a ton of warscrolls. not even kidding when I say it's the worst written tome I've seen since 2e. The mother fucker who wrote it is the same cancer that's spreading 3+ rolls to every support hero in existence.

>>96299563
that change specifically is "ok", the units that were already 2 health didn't gain anything for some reason, and heroes also are less tankier as a whole, with olynder being a mixed bag because she's 7 health, 5 up save, 5 up ward, but ignores hits & wounds that are less than 4.

The real insane nerf is the army lost reliable -1 hit, two sources of -1 wound, a rend and reliable strike last, which hurts more than all of the above.

Please post armies. I want to see more people with big fuckoff painted collections.

>>96298927
First and third edition, treat yourself bro, and in case you're wondering, no, the second edition doesn't exist, it never came out bro.

filescatboxmoe slash yv9hyypdf

filescatboxmoe slash 4nkiqypdf

>>96299042
Wow, you really have the balls to point out that WARHAMMER copied something from Warcrap, when everyone knows that Warcrap would never have existed if it weren't for WARHAMMER.

>>96299945
SORRY ANON mine's wip. And i post it like daily and my progress and I didn't even get a shoutout from anon earlier my ego is bruised.

>>96299945
It's painted (and a terrible list I will not be running again)

>>96300067
:^) nice try lumifag, imagine buying the fucking most homo army in the entire game and not painting it too. kys

>>96299959
my man... ill suck your cock for this one, thank you.

>>96300080
He's literally been posting WIP updates as he goes.

anyone have the ork Battletome?

>>96300096
>defending a lumineth player EVER
What a husk this place is nowadays. Used to bully these meta chasing faggots out of here. Bet you think the cows look cool and teclis isn't the dumbest fucking character ever. Malekith should have killed him in end times

>>96300117
post your painted army

>>96300080
It was just a joke, why you have to be so mad. Now I'm gonna repost my orange lumineth more to piss you off. Atleast I have models and I am painting them unlike you bitch.

>>96300108
Which edition are you talking about bro, first, second, third or fourth?

Just threw together a couple of the old skeletons before the refresh. Holy shit I forgot how much these things suck to put together. Thankfully I don't care how they look since I'm only using them to test schemes for the new skeletons.

>>96299143
The fel orc ironjawz demand pics of the iron horde ironjawz

>>96299524
the fact he can't be reposed without looking like shit proves its a shit design.

>>96300067
You got any closeups of the mountain cow ? Love that kit, fuck the haters.
>>96300117
Are they even meta anymore ? Tourney players in my area talk about fyreslayers, dok and cities nowadays.

Thoughts on this list?

>>96300177
WiP like everything else

>>96300153
I don't have the whole army shots anymore, and that army is currently living at the home of a friend of mine who needed a social outlet after his GF left him and threw him out. But here's my take on blackhand!

>>96300224
Looking great so far anon. Especially the swirly texture, clean af.

>>96300231
Looks great. Is that bluish gray skin? Also maw krushas are such good models

>>96300322
Yeah, all of my blackrock have that sort of blue-grey slate skin. The rest are a warm brown, or a few randomly placed green ones and my "gul'dan" model has that too.

>>96299042
>ironjawz look like warcraft orcs

oh noooooo, this is such a bad thing, how will i ever enjoy these orcs now?

>>96300117
I legitimately believe most people don't play in here, there's hardly ever any talk about the game itself. It's taken a back seat even to model pics, which is a quite a distant from race & trans rants.

Not that I can blame them, there's like maybe 1/10 games I play where we don't know the outcome of the game by bottom of second.

>>96300443
Funny enough, that rage baiter was replying to orange lumi anon, who actually posts games and painting.

Is the new shooting CoS spearhead good, or does it suck as bad as the first one? I own everything but fusiliers as just hobby pieces I’ve painted up for fun/Warcry, but I wouldn’t want to pull the trigger on them if they suck

This new battletomb for FEC is the same as the armybox that just came out right? pic rel

>>96300568
No

>>96300591
Seriously? You're fucking with me right?

>>96300568
No, it's a new edition. That book is from the last edition and has been outdated for a long time.

>>96300568
That box released on the 18th of December 2023

>>96300468
Maybe someone with actual cos experience can give a better answer but supposedly it's on the weaker side. The old cos spearhead got a few neat buffs though.

Got back from paint night at my flgs, working on some terrain to match my old nagash! So far im enjoying it.

When do we expect leaks for the battle tomes? Thursday?
When does goonhammer usually do the articles for em
>>96300898
That’s sick as hell.

>>96300898
hell yeah. Man after painting elves and shit for so long, doing terrain or anything that's open and simple is therapeutic. Love your nagash.

>>96300719
I got nothing from the first spearhead, just a bunch of kitbash ideas for units from it that I should not be encouraged to follow up on for the sake of my finances. That’s a shame to hear though, the shooting focused spearhead has some of the cooler nu-CoS models in it

Any scans of the Blades of Khorne book, yet? Or an interesting Khorne novel an Anon would be kind enough to share? I'm bored as hell on this graveyard shift.

>>96300957
>>96300906
Thanks! And yeah Terrain is honestly a treat sometimes. Lady running the paint night also offered to help me set up some LED's inside my Skullvane Manse so once i finish this I can start painting that and have some wicked sick purple lights inside!

>>96300606
It was valid for like 6 months, GW fucks the end of edition armies for both of their main games. World Eaters got less than that when they got their refresh.
Have a ghoul in recompense.

>>96301201
It's unfortunate since it's a much cooler cover.

>>96300080
Ummm this post is EXTREMELY transphobic which is why it's so based

>>96299147
If that would appeal to you, no they don't.
If that would not appeal to you, then they do.
40QUEERS can stay out

>>96299133
RETVRN OF OVR NOBLE LIEGE.
MY BROTHER. MY CAPTAIN. MY KANG.
I kneel.

>>96301249
but it's not????

>>96301271
I am but a humble servant of the Summerking my fellow knight, just as you. Together we ride into the glorious crusade he has demanded.

>>96301420
The humility of our liege is surpassed only by his valour.
Wú huáng wànsuì, wànsuì, wànwànsuì!

It seems to me that Destruction players are the only ones with a Grand Alliance loyalty. Why is that?

>>96301453
waaggh, anon. They are loyal to the wagghh.

>>96301453
All destruction factions are just "ooga booga" with different looks. That's all they are. There's green ooga booga, big ooga booga, obese ooga booga, and small ooga booga for variety.

Do sylvaneth have any good books

>>96301488
They have a short story that's alright, forgot what it's called though

>>96301265
I just like guys being dudes in a world of fucked up shit.

Warhammer Age of Sigmar - Background: Kharadron High Lords 4th Edition (Part 2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp4tbQG7Gcw

>>96301488
Beastgrave ain't terrible but if you want an amazing short story read "The Garden of Mortal Delights" it's easily one of my favourite AoS stories out there.

Skaventide worth reading if I'm looking for more lore about the Vermindoom after reading all the new rulebook lore?

>>96302278
I skimmed it. It had some cool worldbuilding in it. There are bits in there about Hallowheart I was happy to find. And the main memorian character was nice.

>>96301485
>All X factions are just "ooga booga" with different looks. That's all they are. There's green Y, big Y, obese Y, and small Y for variety.
Replace X with grand alliance of your choice
Replace Y with sword man, axe man, bow man, punch man, spear man
You've now described every single faction and grand alliance in the game

>>96300123
Orange is so rad. I need to use it in more schemes.

>>96302321
>>All grand alliance of your choice factions are just "ooga booga" with different looks. That's all they are. There's green sword man, axe man, bow man, punch man, spear man, big sword man, axe man, bow man, punch man, spear man, obese sword man, axe man, bow man, punch man, spear man, and small sword man, axe man, bow man, punch man, spear man for variety

>>96301453
Funny, I feel the same way but about death.

>>96299629
Nah, it's chaos warhounds with fenrisian heads.

>>96301453
I don't know what you mean, but the entire grand alliance branched out of a single previous armybook, and they're still cohesive enough to look like one proper army if you were to take them all together, or at least as cohesive as said previous armybook was

>>96302549
ossiarchs are the weird ones out amidst the faction, ghouls, ghosts and vamps all retread the same gothic horror aesthetic of vampire counts

>>96299622
Hero and Warmaster keyword
>unlike other vampires
Vrodrai, the rider, is twice as big as big as a vampire lord. Lauka Vai is giant
>Why is Tahlia the size of a Stormcast
Hero keyword. It's a miniatures GAME not a MINIATURES game

I wanna get into aos and after some thinking I'd like to start with the idoneth.
After looking around a bit it seems like they're kind of complicated to paint and play, especially for a total beginner. People really don't recommend it. Are they overreacting or is this faction as difficult as they make it out to be ?
Specifically I'd like to start with the new (?) spearhead with the akhelian king, if that makes a big difference.

>>96302579
>complicated to paint
nah, you can cook up a fairly simple color scheme for them if you want
if you feel intimidated by skin, clothes, and the plain organic surfaces of the eels, you can minimise the problems by using contrast paints, darker color schemes and stuff that adds "noise" like drybrush stippling or painting patterns, or abuse gloss varnish

>>96302579
All the creatures are as simple or hard as you make them, the elves are pretty decent equal armor/cloth/skin ratios without much need for sub assemblies. And you don't even have to paint eyes or hair on most of them!
The flight stands might be annoying but you should be fine.

>>96302579
>complicated to paint

not terribly. leave the riders off of the mounts for painting and glue them afterwards, and leave the shields as a separate piece during painting as well. do that and they should be pretty smooth sailing unless you want to get really fancy with sea creature patterning. most of their armor can just be painting with a single solid color or metallic and then hit with an ink or wash, and it looks good. leave the turtles canopy and crew as separate pieces for painting, as well as the shark canopy and riders and it makes it much easier.

> complicated to play

less so than it looks. at the end of the day, deepkin are an army that is mostly just doing 1 thing: its charging you very fast with very hard hitting precision units. thats about it. it does have a bit of utility with its spellcasting and thrall shenanigans, but those usually take a back seat or are avoided all together. the big game plan with deepkin is all about finding the right pressure points at the right time, using your speed to jump on those weak spots or eliminate high value threats in an instant, and then slipping away before you get obliterated on the return swing. i wouldnt call deepkin explicitly fragile, they have decent saves and defensive tech, but they are low health count, low model count, so they lack for bodies and health to absord what hits do go through, which is also why mortal damage (like spells and poison) are so threatening to them.

play cagey early on, then use your overwhelming speed to outflank your opponent and catch them in devestating charges and pincer manuevers, then slip away or jump over their lines and eat their vulnerable backline units.

>>96302579
>>96302852
cont

>Specifically I'd like to start with the new (?) spearhead with the akhelian king, if that makes a big difference.

spearhead looks great. first of all because it will let you play the spearhead small game format, which is a great way to learn the game but also just overall a solid game mode that even more experienced aos players still play. once you're familiar with the rules you can knock out a spearhead match in like 45 minutes. probably closer to an hour-hour and a half while still learning.

eels are great, bread and butter unit the army usually builds around. sword version is more defensive and better at prolonged fights and tying things up, spear version is more for high impact precision charges.

king/volturnos is usually at the head of most deepkin armies. solid profile, good target for artifacts and traits, and usually has a strong buff

reavers are a kind of skirmishy hit and run shooting unit thats used fairly often to support your charges by peppering enemy screens to open up holes for your units to get through, while they can dash off and claim objectives as your cavalry does the fighting.

beyond that, i would start looking at a shark or two, more eels, probably an eidolon at some point. turtle is good but tricky, its 1/4 of your total army in a full game concentrated in a single unit, which makes it vulnerable to being focused down and leaves you even thinner on bodies than normal for holding objectives and splitting charges.

not sure about the new heroes or manifestation thing, havent had the chance to play them yet.

>>96302605
>>96302842
>>96302852
>>96302865
Thanks for the advice anons, I'll be heading over to my local in a few days and ask around for some more info there. Appreciate the writeups.

>>96302994
do you play any other wargames or is aos your first game?

It's a canine that's also a tree. And I hate it.

>>96303142
Kurnothi did have the lion, but it didn't break their design language with branches and such
The painting makes it look ethereally or something to me. usually it's lighter layers. Maybe it's a spirit critter accompanying a Kurnothi hero and ofc Kurnous had leafy hounds

>>96303146
*Orion
actually they were just regular ass dogs

Started painting my harpoon crew. My word I absolutely love these models and every aesthetic they combine. Where else can I get
>Dwarves
>Steampunk
>Airships
>Pirates
In one package?
Also, the center guy has got to be the best head GW has ever made. The beard, the pipe, it's perfect.

>>96303067
First one, starting from zero basically. Well, technically I got gifted a 40k get started box but I didn't do anything with it but paint the 5 or so minis in it. That was close to a decade ago by now.

>>96303175
i would definitely start with spearhead then, its a manageable bite sized game, both in terms of the hobbying commitment and the density of the rules, and the scoring and missions are more pared down compared to a full seasonal ruleset. the board you play it on is also smaller, so you can play pickup games on a card table, and dont have to carry as much.

i've played about 20 games of it so far with 8 different spearheads, its a good time without getting too into the weeds

>>96303235
Cheers, I've heard a lot of good things about spearhead, it'll definitely be my starting point.
By the way, back in the day when I first got interested they used to have these start collecting boxes, which were about half a spearhead/combat patrol. Am I correct in assuming they phased these out in favour of the bigger spearheads ? I can't find them anymore, but I might be looking in the wrong places.

>>96303253
yeah, they were phased out. spearhead is pretty much the smallest offering now. every once in a while they'll put out a smaller box, and for deepkin specifically you can sometimes find "fury of the deep" deepkin halves on ebay, which could be another option if you want to supplement the spearhead.

you can still actually find the old vanguard boxes at a not horrible price every once in a while on ebay as well, though depending on your region you may get raked over the coals on shipping.

>>96303142
yeah, that's kurnothi

>>96303161
You made them look good, nice job Anon. I actually want those now to go with my Slayer Admiral and his crew.

>>96303152
True, though ethereal in game terms, at least in TOW. I could see the rumor engine being for a new Orion type character and his hounds. More Kurnothi fuel in any case.

>>96303317
Thanks man, they're still far from done though.
Slayer admiral sounds awesome, got a pic of his crew?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/hsrvwzdi/scare-the-wits-out-of-your-foes-and-open-up-a-phantasmal-pharmacy-with-battletome-nighthaunt/

ghosts are looking extra spicy

>>96303358
ghosts are such a weird faction to me

>>96303335
Thanks Anon. Sadly no pictures yet. Need to get the crew finished and I am headed to work right now. He's a mix of spare Fyreslayer parts and a KO Admiral, same with his crew!

>>96303358
>nighthaunt can benefit from save buffs now
>but the monkeys paw curls a finger

RIP nighthaunt, we knew thee well.

>>96303389
isnt having +6 save, +5 ward and an extra wound is better than +4 save and +6 ward?
need to see some stats

>>96303412
I think this also means discorporate is gone, so is 2w 4++ 6+ better than 1w 4++ possible 5++?
The answer is probably but they will 100% cost more now

>>96303161
Based misogynist dorf anon.

>>96303142
Nuh uh the article said it was a necron

>>96303364
Sounds cool man, I'll eagerly await seeing the finished product
>>96303430
Call it a mixture of hating GW's female faces and enjoying the aspect of "can't tell male and female dwarves apart" from dwarves of tolkien's writing.

>>96303428
yeah just ran the numbers without all out defense, it comes all down to that extra wound basicly.

im fine with them costing more if i can still fit 40 bladegheists and 20 harridans. also the new spell lore is much much better than the current one so im hoping some of these warscrolls will also get a rewrite to work with that.

>>96303447
Ran into that problem with the votann beserks. GW seriously expect you to use that hideous female head. I put another head on there but if you squint it kind of looks like a woman with a beard now. Oh well, still preferable.

>>96303161
Noice

>>96303458
that's a robot

>>96303458
GW is kind enough to make the obviously female bodies muscular enough to pass as males, so I did the same to my beserks. No amount of sculpting will force me to use your awful female heads, GW. I'll slap a helmet on the body at the worst case scenario if I have to.

>>96303469
Also tfw 2 poses you'll never see because those bodies build the special weapons. Neat to see them here.

>>96303412
>>96303428
Not every unit got an extra wound, heroes in particular are more squishy, as well as things that already had 2 wounds like the banshees

Breaking it down this is basically the result of the change
+NH deal better with mortals overall
+They lose attacks at half the rate they did before
-Effects that remove wards or lessen wards are much more impactful, I've noticed a trend where almost every new tome has a way to remove wards.
-Doubling health but reducing mitigation makes the poopy death heal not nearly as good (you have to heal injured models before restoring new ones)
-Effects that shut down command abilities will hurt mitigation, whereas before you could declare a unit to have a 5++ ward in the hero phase.

It's kind of a mix bag but ultimately think it's a bad change for nighthaunt because they're still constrained to a unique rule and overall the heroes and many units that already have multiple wounds are worse.

Mathematically, assuming no special rules, an attack against a 4++/6++ is the same as a 6+/4++. You can reach 4+/5++ with heroes, but infantry at best gets to a 5+/5++ with all out defense.

As to whether or not points go up, they received a lot of nerfs in other areas. Losing wave of terror & shademist/harridan's effect means losing -1 hit, -1 wound and strike last. Also the army is boring as fuck because it doesn't do anything but sit on points and teleport around like a shitty 3e soulblight.

>>96303485
There's actually two of those on the harpoon crew that won't normally be seen, too. I accidentally forgot they had special weapons when building and I realized this as I built my last model. I quickly ripped his arms off and kitbashed the grappling hook into a body that shouldn't have that gun, but otherwise the two bodies that are supposed to have the special weapons in my crew are just holding their regular harpoons. (In this post >>96303161 those bodies are #s 2 and 5 from the left)

Also, I just realized that kitbashing the special weapons onto different bodies a bit of a roundabout way of making two monopose units distinct.

>>96303458
Whats going on with the weird floating sight (?) on the woman's gun there?

>>96303412
so, its not exactly that simple, its kind of the same against some attack profiles, but much more vulnerable to others

as far as the extra health goes, well thats going to entirely come down to points. if a unit goes from 1 health to 2 health and stays the same points, its a 2x durability increase, but if a unit goes from 1 health to 2 health and then goes up from 100/10 to 150/10, then its really only like a 1.3x increase, and if you are then taking 2x damage from certain weapon profiles, its an overall loss.

so like, this really isnt something we can suss out without knowing the points, but as far as incoming damage and ability to defend against it, here are a few profiles, one with an even mix of incoming physical damage and mortal damage, and the other being all raw physical damage hits.

it looks like durability will be roughly equivalent against mortal wound heavy damage, but be significantly less so against raw physical damage where the old saves were more effective

>>96303535
Forgot to mention they also lost 1 rend. And honestly killing things more in this edition means more than another wound in everyway. Lethality is still mega fuck high, so not finishing off a big hero and they get to swing back into you is going to surpass any gains you got into your health.

The intent of the book is pretty clear, to nerf nighthaunt and make them less "NPE" to brainlets in the future.

>>96303552
> and make them less "NPE" to brainlets in the future.

okay in all fairness they did have like a 70% winrate for the first 3 months of this edition, i can understand a break glass in case of emergency level change in response, and given the slow lead time on battletome publication, this tome would line up with that response time just about right

>>96303565
that's true but they pretty much gutted not only the effectiveness of the army but how unique or fun it is to play for likely the next 3 years. Having read the tome basically every support hero has a 3+ roll for a marginal effect and wants you to play extremely passively.

I really don't understand why barely any armies that have shitstack units can get access to +1 attacks or +1 damage. Legitimately believe they design warscrolls with spearhead first in mind.

>>96303552
didnt they actually got more rend with the Fell Blades now? before it was on a single unit on my charge phase and now its depending on how many times i gave this buff to different units

if they remove the need from charging every single turn from some warscrolls like bladegheists and dreadscythe we should get more damage overall

>>96303604
bladegheists are down the extra attack on charge, myrmourn are down a rend on their warscroll. bgr's new effect is that you can't charge them unless you roll an unmodified 7 if they're on a point they control (control is determined at end of round, it's not contesting), harridan's new effect is they shut down healing and model return if the unit is in combat with them.

to get the same rend you got for free before on the charge (and extra rend is always better when you get to pick the targets and fight at full strength), you need to make a CV6 spell go off (so have a wizard ww 12") and not get unbound, put in on a unit, that unit has to fight, and THEN they get the -1 save debuff on them. Effectively this means one of your units won't benefit, and then the enemy will swing into the other unit that will benefit from it, reducing their impact. The debuff also falls off at the end of the turn, same as the charge debuff. There is not really an upside to this. If you want to work around this you could spend ~150 points on the foot hero that lets you fight with them, but that's a worse prospect than just bringing more bladegheists or whatever.

got the khorne spearhead (the old one)
First time painting non-40k khorne. I tried what Duncan did in this video for khorne trim but it looks a bit odd. https://youtu.be/UDvri5Aa1m8?si=1eIex25OJ4zxCOwP&t=1693

How does the skin look? I'm thinking of doing another layer with a more "normal" skin color. How do you guys normall do veins on arms? they're like weird road bumps for my layers.

>>96303633
>bladegheists are down the extra attack on charge, myrmourn are down a rend on their warscroll. bgr's new effect is that you can't charge them unless you roll an unmodified 7 if they're on a point they control (control is determined at end of round, it's not contesting), harridan's new effect is they shut down healing and model return if the unit is in combat with them.
where are yopu pulling these changes from?

Wargame promised me a preview of the Champions of Chaos system would be posted last week and they still haven't posted it, fuck these fat liars and their big fat lies.

>>96303633
Eugh, that's rough. How fucking slow is GW that NH had to wait months to get hit with the nerfhammer.

>>96303546
Guess it's just the angle

>>96303769
It's just kind of awkwardly placed on the gunbarrel I guess yeah

>>96303680
Some guy leaked it on the nighthaunt reddit apparently, shit sounds bad.

Would someone happen to have the 4th ed battletomes for download? I've only been able to find SBGL so far, as well as the PtG Ravaged Coast book. I'm very interested in both KO and IDK though.

>>96303850
didnt see anything about it on reddit, those changes sound so terrible that we arent left with anything to play with honestly, so i dont think these are true

Finished muh portal. Time to start on the skullvane.

I demand the ghoul book. Someone post it.

>>96303984
Which?

>>96303937
desu I kinda saw the writing on the wall when the faction terrain was that good because they don't do things like that for free

now im wondering if DoK is going to get bitch slapped too, not that I hope for it, the writer or design philosophy behind the NH tome really isn't healthy at all for the game, regardless of whose faction it happens to.

>>96304050
Morathi no longer only takes 3 damage a turn, but now elf and snake are seperate units you have to pay for each.

Anyone know when the next event or whatever is so we can expect a roadmap ?

Anyone have any recommendations or ideas for what to put on my flyers for our AoS community? We have a somewhat active community that shows up for schedules events but I wanna drive up weekly game engagement for my club. Owner is happy to help and let me advertise it just unsure if I should go mega meme normie bait or try something more toned down but I don't want it to be dry.

>>96304195
"Age of Sigmar: We're not as sweaty and stinky as the 40k players. FOR HALF THE PRICE"

Then put like, a poorly photoshopped image of Buddy Christ from Dogma holding Alarielle or something with like a "JOIN TODAY" thing on it. And make sure it's one of those flyers where you can pull tabs off with a number on it or some shit.

>>96304234
It's actually crazy how much cheaper AoS is than 40k.

I'm getting a few of my local guys into it after they had a seriously bad event (they're a group of tournament players) and they played into knights every round for the entire weekend. Long story short the one dude wrote up an IJ list he liked and started pricing it out, and was shocked it was less than a thousand bucks at our local.

>>96304392
Lel that reminds me, was talking to some 40k players at the lgs with my friend, who casually told them two of the old ogre spearheads basically gave him a full 2k point army for 230 yuros, and the fucking looks on their faces man.

>>96304429
Another of them wanted to do "oops all skeletons" meme for SBGL, trying to make an army that was way more than his 40k army cost out of spite. Turns out our local has the death rattle box on the shelf. When he finished adding it up, the fucker actually bought that box. So he's bringing us to the bone zone I guess.

>>96304234
I just wouldn't wanna trash the other guys since this store is actually clean and the other club members take care of themselves. We've got autismos but they wear deodorant and shower. Plus most of the club is casual for the most part. More narrative and dad gamers than like sweaty 20 somethings. But the tab thing is a good idea and price.

NEW BREAD
>>96304580
>>96304580
>>96304580
NEW BREAD

>>96304195
"Come play AoS. You probably already have models that you converted to play in 40k anyway."

>>96303389
>we removed wave of terror everyone actually liked for you guys!
>we replaced it with a useless control debuff!
>and you go from 4+ to a 6+ save!!
wow, gee thanks gw. I couldn't be more excited.