Thread 96301279

Previous thread: >>96284032

By popular demanded from the previous thread, we're here to make our own (and possibly the first) chaos aligned league of Votann.

We'll come up with a name, color scheme, logo, lore etc.

We'll be using the LoV creation table along with the planet and system generators:

https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Leagues_of_Votann_League_Creation_Tables

https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Planet_generator

https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/System_generator

Obviously their is no "official" chaos league generator yet so we'll need to make this up a bit as we go. First up we'll be rolling for what god we serve:

1d6

>1- Tzeentch
>2- Khorne
>3- Slaanesh
>4- Nurgle
>5- Undivided
>6- Other (Hashut, Vashtorr, a corrupted ancestor core)

Rolled 1 (1d6)

>>96301279 (OP)

Rolling!
Hoping for Hashut.

>>96301432
Tzeentch is a interesting patron. So possibly grimnyr lead league.

>>96301432
Tzeentch it is (sorry Anon)

Next I think is when we fell:

1d100

>1-5 M25-- Age of Strife
>6-40 M26- M27 -- Age of Trade
>41- 60 M28- M30-- Horus Heresy
>61- 80 M31- M40-- Age of War
>81- 100 M41- M42 Opening of the Great Rift

Rolled 4 (1d100)

>>96301481

>>96301481
This may want to slightly be retuned for a general use one after this thread.

Something like:
>(+20 to Roll if Slaanesh was rolled as God option)
>1-5 : Pre-M25 - Cybernetic Revolt
>6-30: M25 - M30 - Age of Strife
>31-45: M30 - Fall of the Eldar
>46-60: M31 - Horus Heresy
>61-90: M32 - M40 - The Age of the Imperium
>91+: M41 - M42 - Opening of the Great Rift

Bit more evenly spreads things out, sets the Horus Heresy to the right Millennia, and makes it so that while it is possible to get Slaanesh before their birth in the Fall of the Eldar, the odds of it are pretty low - thus making getting that a bit more special.

Rolled 40 (1d100)

>>96302154

>>96302154
Yeah I fully admit I just threw together my chart fast and yours is better. The +20 for Slaanesh is a nice touch too. Yours should probably be added once someone makes a Chaos Votann generator on 1d4chan/ 1d6chan.

I think we should go with >>96302034's roll on the old chart since they were here first though. Sorry >>96302204

Anyway next up I think how we got corrupted is a good place:

1d100

>1-10 Dug too deep and found a chaos artifact
>11- 20 Ancestor Core went mad
>21- 30 Experiment with clone skeen gone wrong
>31- 40 Iron Kin corrupted
>41-50 Corruption through trading chaos artifacts
>51- 60 A Grimnyr performed a dangerous spell
>61-70 A Charismatic Kahl got corrupted and convinced others
>71- 80 Dangerous warp tainted minerals
>81-90 The league got too obsessed with their work to notice till it was too late
>91-100 Got greedy for power and wealth.

I'm open to more suggestions anyone has.

After that we can probably move onto the regular Votann, planet, and system generator, skipping a few steps like founding since we covered that.

Rolled 83 (1d100)

>>96302288
Manlet seethe ho!

>>96302741
>The league got too obsessed with their work to notice till it was too late
So how does this work? Seems more like a Slaaneshi thing desu

Usually not a fan of "Thing But Chaos" but Votann are at least moderately susceptible to it unlike people begging for Chaos versions of basically select few species that are basically immune like nids. Also evil manlets are more fun than good manlets.
>>96303209
Schemes upon schemes upon schematics. Hyperanalizing and overanalizing the output of the Votann core. Divining exceedingly conflicting wills of the Ancestors. Single bad batch Grimnyr with faulty Barrier-Tech slipping in. Basically, dwarfish hyperfocus resulting in getting lost in the data-sauce until it's too late.
Kind of works, maybe.
Another angle would be Tzeentch's "Infernal Tempest" part of the Aetheric Dominions, so
>"Some hosts of daemonkind brought forth a maelstrom of raw warpstuff with them, manifesting the energy of the Immaterium as sheer elemental power. Around these entities roiled tempests of prismatic balefire, the air riven with crackling arcs of unreal lightning as the earth twisted into fragments of shimmering crystal. To these Daemons there was no higher purpose than the promulgation of that power and of its profligate use on the battlefields of the material realm"
something to deal with working with potentially compromized energy source, like harnessing output of a star under subtle Tzeentch enchantment. But that might be too similar to "greed" results from the table.

LARGE

HATS

>>96303332
Fuck you
*enlarges them horizontally, giving them tech-kasas*

>>96303285
What if they're more of a marginalized offshoot, a backwards clan from the boonies that rejected the league's values and kinda slipped unnoticed into chaos worship and rejected technology?
Like a bunch of amish (but in space), giving the finger to enlightenment and unity and limiting themselves to the simplest promethium-chugging machines, leaning more the whole divination/occult angle Tzeentch instead.
So despite being hilariously under-teched they can hold on by reading their cousins' moves beforehand and trolling them with endless curses and bad luck.

>>96303340
>>96303376
Stetsons
They're oil drillers that got obsoleted

>>96303209
The syndicate was so caught up in finding out if they could they didn't stop to ask if they should. Their desire for knowledge drove them down this path and Tzeentch gladly let them lap from his pool of knowledge. With this new knowledge our little syndicate wants to gain more prominence.

>>96303285
>>96303376
Not noticing until it is too late is basically a "can't see the forest for the trees" situation. In terms of an organizational structure, high levels of compartmentalization, lack of communication, and poor management can create projects that fail when the people/groups working on it move in directions that are within overall parameters but incompatible with each other. In this case, no one person did anything to cause them to fall to Chaos directly; each person did just enough to make everyone fall to Chaos as a collective.

Personally, I'm seeing this more in terms of a corporate structure. So the Votann Ancestor core represents a distant and detached C-suite/shareholder board, while as you go down the hierarchy everyone is wholly devoted to carrying out their will but also working against everyone else to prove their worth and take more power within the League.

>>96303491
>Big oil corpo gets their bottom line pushed harder and harder as their products become increasingly worthless
>Conditions in their extraction colonies worsen, unemployment and lack of purpose creeps in
>Impoverished workers can't afford proper equipment, start to use DIY gas-fueled stuff for daily life
>Corp sees this as a silver lining, promotes combustion technology and talks shit of electronics to maintain at least a domestic market
>Over time the colonies become increasingly backwater and brain drained
>One day Urist McRigger huffs a bit too much petrol and decides to take his raggedy chemical-fuel rocket on a spin in the local warp storm (he believes soacetine is flat so obviously warp is just a fairytale)
>Comes back with a funky ability to see the future, cashes in at the local casino
>Brags about it to everybody, corp gets wind and decides to investigate
>And that's how the Esoteric Executives came to be

>>96303560
>Gentlemen, we at Big Bragnar Grymnar's Promethium Supply are announcing an exciting new business pivot. We present you with the next generation Promethium replacement, Grymnarium!
>Discovered in a sector full of lifeless planets and crippled, dying stars, and sourced from a clean, renewable font that erupts into space from nothingness that screams to you in memories that are not your own, Grymnarium has over twice the energy density of Promethium, is less corrosive to machinery, and only has a mutation rate of 16.7% when indirectly exposed!

>>96302741
So what should we roll for next?

>>96303629
Oi'sh blimey me. Granna comn' see this 'ere!
>Brelnar ushers the blind old lady in front of the grainy receiver.
Wif thish we can run the ol' scapper to Drulfor's field an' back no refuel, we can afford ya tham blinky eye! So yah can watch bingo on tha vox again.
>Brelnar's grandmother settles on the worn polymer sofa with a groan.
Dunna worry 'bout me. Haven' ye heard what them ads say? Rather be blind than stick one of them blinkies in me eye.
>She spits at the floor at the thought, but Brelnar has already donned his coat and is revving up his buggy to go try out this marvel first hand.
>But as Brelnar reaches the gas station, he finds an angry crowd gathered around the establishment. Uniformed ironkin (rare to see those around here) are blocking the entrance, addressing the crowd.
The Grymnarium fuel has been declared unsafe! Please disperse! The league has made an edict to supply this district with electrical-powered vehicles!
>Brelnar joins the crowd, first in disbelief, but getting riled up by the moment.
Colony 18 never got a lick of help from the league. Now BBGPS finally makes something big and these guys swoop in and take it?
>He hears some rough-bearded old trucker
And they are gonna give us some damned blinkies to drive? Like we were a bunch of no-good beggars?
>The crowd grumbles, while Brelnar decides he's not leaving without a tankful. To void with these uppity leaguers.
>He reaches to his trunk, pulling out a rusty pipe wrench, stepping slowly through the mob that's getting noisier by the minute.

>>96303770
These guys are a mix of 80s corporate sharks, techbros, good ol' boy Texas oilfield roughnecks, and Welsh coalminers.

>>96303799
Hold on a sec... that's almost like...
>>96303393
Confirms it. They're space Australians. Dear god what have you done.

Their version of the Hekaton should be a regular old giant spider they pulled out of someone's backyard and strapped guns, armor and fuzzy dice on.

>>96303910
The spider idea it's so good

>>96303910
>>96303923
Their Hekatons are giant spider-like Xenos things that have been brutally cyberneticized in a way that'd make the AdMech concerned and aesthetically displeased. They're also nigh-immortal and grow constantly unless killed so the original is now a massive walking factory fortress whose bodily functions have been industrialized and flesh inhabited by Votann like they're parasites.

>>96303742
Could use the Blessings of the Dark God's table from the generic Chaos Warband table:
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Chaos_Warband_Creation_Tables

Or the Devotion to the Ruinous Powers and a custom version of the Warband Beliefs (League Beliefs?) from the Chaos Space Marine Warband:
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Chaos_Space_Marine_Warband_Creation_Tables

Or draw on the Output tables of the Dark Mechanicus World - modified to replace the less fitting options like Space Marine Weapons;
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Dark_Mechanicus_Forge_World_Creation_Tables

>>96303629
How common is "Rolling Coal" and is that included in the "Indirect Exposure" statistic or the "Direct Exposure" statistic?

>>96304008
I think that these threads could use less rolling. Having a chart roll for everything gives you a cookie cutter result 90% of the time and stifles discussion by constantly interrupting it with new rolls and their results. Just look at >>96303910, is "nail guns and armor to a giant alien spider and use it as a tank" something that you're going to find on chart with 12 options that's weighted for 3 of them?

Also less common than you'd assume going by the mainstream vox media, and yes to both.

>>96303910
How do we unite Space australians with dawi-zharr/dwemer aesthetics?

>>96304052
Cork hats, but CHAOS

>>96304095
The hat is a solid piece of brass and the corks are skulls.

>>96304048
I’d say do the Dark Mechanicus Output roll at least

>>96303910
>space australians
>squats
Bikie gangs should be the poster boys for their army. I’d say Mad Max but that is veering to close to Ork territory

>>96304134
How about shrunk heads? Woodoo style.

>>96303993
An oil refinery fortress, with a big corp tower and casinos. Like a moving Las Vegas with pipes. Shape of a babylonian pyramid.

Also they are too backwards for real FTL, so instead they just fly into warp storms and sacrifice REAL HARD for big bird daddy to throw them out in a nice place.

Also since we are talking about the changer of ways here, maybe some chimera kangaroo/platypus monster unit?

>>96301481
>>96304191
Since its Tzeentch can we please not have his usual mutations and theme? Maybe keep crystals but tentacle birds are so boring

>>96304228
Seconded. If we do monsters lets have something other than cephalopods.

Maybe a bronze/purple color scheme like your image? Industrial but showy. 70s/80s gleam.

>>96304160
How about instead of being orky, their vehicles are more like sleek, 70s style art deco pieces, but WAY overdone. Dragsters, hotrods the works, with giant engines and tail fins, but not scrapped.

>>96304048
>I think that these threads could use less rolling.
Perhaps. Though this is something no charts exist fir at all rather than deciding to skip over the charts for a more open creative space.

We probably want to at least cover the most generic stuff so the future page isn't too empty. Allies/Enemies rolls for instance. Maybe take a cue from the subsector generator for which sector they're in?

>>96303993
>>96304191
The lore for the spider fortress is that the spider keeps eating cities built anywhere else on the planet. The refinery (and the city) runs by sucking out juices from the spider. A special flesh-driller corps exist to lay and maintain pipelines through the crearure. They should be an elite melee unit. Rest of the population is nomadic on their main world.

>>96304191
I don't think they should be too backwards for FTL, maybe something like they're stuck with obsolete, massive FTL engines that mean a handful of motherships with everything else being sub-light.

>>96304228
>>96304052
To prevent the usual Tzeentch aesthetic and not do a copypaste of Chaos Dwarves I think it best we run with general shapes that show a design lineage while not being the exact same. OP's pic with the typical 40k tubes as a beard stand-in and the cybernetic eye evoking the Nurgle symbol without actually being it is a fantastic art direction.

>>96301279 (OP)
I have Chaos fatigue.

>>96304291
Considering their background we're definitely looking for a subsector in Votann space, but on the outskirts near a warp storm.

Looking at "Cölosyk", which also happens to be near "Ghulo Industrial Complex", with a bunch of colonies that are marked outside of Votann immediate control. Maybe we're looking at a (former) Ghulo subsidiary?

There's also something called a "Bio-malevolance" there. Sounds like a place for giant spiders.

>>96301279 (OP)
>Let's take this thing and add le spikes!
40k players are a fucking joke.

>>96304228
They could be frequently in conflict with the Avian factions of Tzeentch (Emu Wars), while they highly leverage crystals for decoration in chandeliers and the like (Gilded Age Oil Tycoons) as well as their major means of channeling magic into their inventions (Dwemer).

>>96304306
I like the pipe beard in OP's pic, but isn't the rest of the armor a bit too directly out of CSM? Maybe something a tad lighter? It's kinda boring to have everyone in power armor all the time. This anon >>96304160 suggested bike gangs and I'm definitely down, as long as we don't steer too close to genestealer cult territory.

What if we took a big Ford truck from the 70s/80s, used it's elements for the armor bits, add some chaos symbolism and rest is leather and tubes? It'd also be buildable using some old plastic toy cars.

>>96304365
The only reason they haven't rolled over all of Votann is because they're locked in an endless conflict with the emu hordes.

>>96304377
I was just talking about the face, I'm not a fan of the armor either. So far we've got cybernetic monsters, hot rods, and bikers as vehicle aesthetics.

>>96304357
>how dare they make chaos thing look chaosy
you are not real

>>96304270
>>96304377
>Technicals
Well Chorfs are middle-eastern, and space australians are also a desert people, so a Toyota cavalry isnt out of the picture

>"Dagnabbit, I leave y'all alone for one minute and find we've completely stopped rolling all together! Get back to work or your pay is docked!"

At least we've come up with a unique aesthetic for our league with the whole texan oil baron thing (still could use a name and logo though). Anyway, for those still interested in rolling I figure it's good to roll for the league legend next on the Votann chart.

1d6 please

>>96304742
League legend or origin?

>>96304742
How about the symbol of Tzeentch, but worked to be like a refinery flare?

Rolled 5 (1d6)

>>96304742

Rolling

>>96304805
Legend we already covered origin earlier with the whole when we fell, why we fell

>>96305293
>A Theyn. A humble rank for a legend, yet even the mightiest weapon starts as nothing more than a lump of raw ore.

What did this legend do? (d10)

>>96305116
So something like this? I know it's kind of rough.

>>96305615
Yeah, but the flame should look like it's going out of the stack, like so.
This one I shamelessly stole from Gazprom. I think their old logo has that evil corp vibe pretty well nailed.

>>96305721
How about this version? I think it gives off the pollution vibe pretty well, with the negative space being the sun rising through the smog.

(The old one was more meant to be an out spill.)

Rolled 1 (1d10)

>>96305350
big money big money

>>96306181
Depends on how open you want them about being Chaos. After all, they did accidentally fall to Chaos, so I can imagine they're not so "in your face" about it.

>>96306805
>Depends on how open you want them about being Chaos.
With >>96306279 being "they broke an Imperial Crusade" and all, I suspect they're open about it at this point.

>>96307299
>Our competitors might love to call us things like "slaves to the Ruinous Powers" or "pawns of the Changer of Ways," but that's slander. We synergize a personal drive for success with unorthodox methodology to create a nine point roadmap to success in an everchanging galaxy.

>>96307367
The Grymnarium from >>96303629 and >>96303770 could be an equivalent of Leaded Petroleum. Maybe warp-infused Promethium?

Thus, some middle manager has some long presentation about how clearly they didn't want to mine Nurgle-influenced warp because diseases would ruin the bottom line because employees would selfishly be stuck sick rather than working, Khorne-influenced warp would increase aggression too much and that's just bad for corporate synergy and the League being "like a family", and Slaanesh-influenced warp would be too prone to having people distracted.

Besides, look at these charts showing how Tzeentch-influence clearly increases your intelligence. After all, he is the patron of mages and seekers of knowledge, and it gives you a real go-getter attitude from the increasing ambition. And office politics are everywhere, this just makes our people more competitive for when we need to deal with external forces.

>>96306279
League strength, roll for d6

Rolled 2 (1d6)

>>96308665
Let's see how much the Crusade fucked us up. Or how much general attrition that we've suffered from over the millennia.

>>96308685
>Below average. The League has suffered some casualties due to the tides of war.
Corpse worshipping dogs fucked us up huh
Next is Favored Clients (d100)
I don’t think imperium or Astartes would work for this roll

>>96308851
>I don’t think imperium or Astartes would work for this roll
Replace them with “chaos cultists” and “chaos marines” and we’re fine.

>>96308851
Imperium would totally work, they just carry out their dealing through intermediaries and fronts. It's perfectly Tzeentchian, fits with shady corporate dealings, and has real "French telecom company deploys Serbian fighter pilots to bomb Rwandan forces with Congolese jets" vibes.

Rolled 90 (1d100)

>>96308851
rollan

>>96310105
If we're using the chart from the standard leagues, looks like the League must be going isolationist after the Crusade to recover?
Either that, or everyone who was interested in trade has gotten spooked for one reason or another.
Maybe both.

>>96313976
Begrudged Enemies of the League (d100)

>>96301279 (OP)
You'd rather create a normal dwarf faction, not GW's onions ripoff from DRG.

Rolled 68 (1d100)

>>96315382

>>96301279 (OP)
>a Chaos League of Votann
Does that exist yet in the lore?

>>96302288
I just finished Adrian Tchakovsky's Service Model and the idea of an AI that's bound by specific instructions using malicious compliance to twist around them to be as evil as possible is really appealing to me.

>>96318963
That was the entire schtick of Chaos Androids in the primordial days.

>>96318693
There's mentions of Cores having gone crazy, but no Chaos Votann Leagues have been mentioned in specific. However, a hefty amount of that is probably because the Leagues have next to no lore.

>>96308685
Maybe it wasn't an imperial crusade, but a Votann attempt at subjugation, leading to isolation from the rest of the leagues? Accelerating their fall to Chaos.

>>96323721
Maybe, though the >>96317975 roll does throw a bit of wrench in that because 68 on the Begrudged Enemies is the Adeptus Astartes.

Perhaps we could layer it. There was a war against another League that was stalemated and both sides pulled back to recover, and that's when the Imperial Crusade attacked led by a chapter aiming to loot Votann tech (perhaps even chaos stuff depending on how solid their loyalties to the Imperium were)?

Something to the effect of "A fight between Leagues? Understandable. But these outsiders? Maximum grudge."

>>96323967
Oh, maybe chaos marines got involved during their secession, only to betray them later. Classic Chaos style. Or loyalists came in drive a vedge into Votann, only to realize these guys are corrupt. Roll the chapter maybe?

>>96319758
God they're so Robocop, always loved these

>>96323721
>>96323967
>>96324252
You guys are overthinking it. Just because they fell to Chaos while not realizing it doesn't mean no one else noticed it. Setting aside the fact we've already established their questionable and exploitative business tactics which could be enough that Imperial politics could get a Crusade called against them, some nosy Inquisitor could look into them and go "Yep, that Chaos."

>>96323294
I do recall reading about some Iron Kin that had fallen.
"I didn't trust the squat folk from the start. How the governor approved their contract is beyond me. The worst of them were the metal ones, nothing more than machines in armor, with not a shred of the organic about them. It sent a shiver down my spine to see them move and talk just like they were alive. The kin, as the squats call themselves, were tasked with holding our left flank. What happened after that, throne only knows. Some say their steel brothers turned on them, sprouting mutant swords and curling tentacles. I'd never seen the squats spooked before, but this betrayal shook them to the core."

>>96319758
ed209 cousins

>>96325680
Makes sense. Should we roll for the Astartes chapter?

>>96330735
Or should we roll them as a Chaos Space Marine warband, because the sheer warp pollution this League's world outputs tainted them that hard?