Thread 96313670

How do you deal with shit like this

By not playing d&d

I wouldn't say a single word to them, I would listen to what they have to say. And that's what no one did.

>>96313670 (OP)
Noone talks like this. Play more games op.

>>96313670 (OP)
This has literally never happened.

>>96313691
>And that's what no one did.
Bullshit, people are retarded and would do it all the time to their own detriment.
yes I know it's pasta

>>96313670 (OP)
This never happens; and if it does, the person is just doing it for the lols. Stop being a embittered asshole.

>>96313732
This could happen in advanced fighting fantasy where wizardry and sorcery are two distinct kinds of magic

This is why you never use magic as a hard definition. It’s a soft description.

>>96313691
Gets me every time

>>96313670 (OP)
Some days I wonder how the guy in that photo must feel that his face is used as basically one of the most infamous examples of That Guy/Nerd on the internet

>>96314006
Reminds me of Angry German Kid initially getting bullied for it, tried to an hero and later became a gangsta rapper.

>>96313670 (OP)
Don't go to cons
Everyone who says this sort of guy doesn't exist doesn't play con games and good for them

>>96313670 (OP)
By actually playing games with people, and not make up unrealistic scenarios on 4chan.

>>96314006
I remember him being asked about it and he was completely unbothered by it

>>96314811
no you dont

>>96313670 (OP)
By playing games. Therefore I don't have to confront hypotheticals invented by nogames on the internet.

>>96313670 (OP)
Haven't we had this witch and wizard debate before? Yep, we have >>92154840

Better yet, OP's image has copied a post from that came after that one, >>92186457 which was written deliberately satirically. OP's image fails because who ever made it thinks they've improved upon it by throwing in some em dashes and an extra fuck as if that's supposed to make us give a fuck about a ruined joke.

>>96313670 (OP)
Don't know, man. This shit doesn't usually happen when you play games.
How would you react, if your GM suddenly was pulling down their pants and ripping a greasy peperoni fart directly into your mouth?

>IMG_5553
slop thread posted from a phone

>>96313670 (OP)
pffft, it's just a model

>>96313670 (OP)
I don't have to deal with retarded bullshit that never happens.

>>96313670 (OP)
I play with my friends, this isn't a problem.

>>96315451
At least it’s not a phoneposting frogposter

>>96313732
/thread

>>96313670 (OP)
by not playing traditional games with rightoid culture war freaks

I actually feel kinda bad for that guy. Imagine being the face of neck beards for 15+ years, just because you're ugly.

>>96313670 (OP)
>how do you deal with tourists who can't even bring themselves to make a 4chan post to screenshot and another tourist who didn't even notice the difference while shitposting?
I lol and move on.

Pedantry usually means the player is checked out and, consciously or not, trying to sabotage the game.

That or you didn't screen out autists when recruiting for your campaign. (Hint: have everyone meet up for session 0 at a busy brunch cafe or bar. Autists HATE those places and have a hard time mentally filtering out the background noises).

>>96313747
>This never happens
Well, actually...

>>96313670 (OP)
Only time I did this was as a NPC Trait
The lich took offence to being called a sorcerer the same way a rabid narcissistic atheist would be if you called their skills God given
>LISTEN HERE YOU SPAWN OF INBREEDING MY GODHOOD WAS MADE BY ME AND ME ALONE AND I WILL NOT LET MY NAME BE-
Can't remember what was said after that I just targeted anyone who called him a sorcerer and my players caught on quick, using it to their advantage

>>96313670 (OP)
If you're being genuine and not just trying to (you) farm, then I would sit down with the player and tell them in no uncertain terms using language commensurate with adulthood, that their pedantry is ruining the game for the rest of the group and if it doesn't cease their invitation to the game will end immediately.
>>96313679
Also, this.

>>96317457
The rightoid D&Dtards are OSRfags, not 5rries.

>>96313691
kek

>>96313670 (OP)
Saying all magic is the same and keep pissing them off for fun. Especially if you're a straight white male fighter. When they bitch and moan about it say that's just what my character would say.

>>96323511
>If you're being genuine
Definitely not genuine, OP copied an old post, see >>96315059

good thread

>>96313670 (OP)
Instead of imagining something I don't like in my head I just imagine something that I do like instead

>>96313670 (OP)
Rip a greasy pepperoni fart in their face, like this:
*rips a greasy pepperoni fart in your face*

>>96313670 (OP)
Tell the player he's metagaming, his character wouldn't know if the enemy was a sorcerer or wizard.

It blows my mind how people think magic isn’t just “magic”. It’s a way of looking at a thing.

>>96327902
What, in real life or in a game like D&D? Cause yeah, magic's not real.

>>96327908
Magic isn’t supposed to be real, even in fiction, technically speaking. That’s why it’s “magic”. It’s just this way of looking at something.

You can throw in a boring greyblob (I say greyblob because atheists have this big inability to see beauty/mystery/“magic” within nature) atheist perspective into literally any fantasy world. We’ve done it before. I don’t care how wibbly wobbly woo or weird the magic is. Some giant hypothetical higher dimensional alien will be able to look at it inside and out and poke at it to the point where it’s not magic to them. That big alien might even have a completely different bar, or tier, for magic. What is magic to us is not magic to it. It’s all relative. A wizard might not even see themselves as a wizard. Magic is often a one sided air or aura or presence given off.

This is why magic doesn’t work when it’s hard. It ignores the psychology of it. Why something is even seen as magic. Magic has always been soft. It’s a descriptor, not a definer.

>>96328115
...Okay, but usually when I play a caster in my games, I don't think about the metaphysics behind the fireball they're throwing, I just want to know if it killed the orc or not. I might save the metaphysics type stuff for in-character talk later, but that's just for fun.

You have fun with whatever you're doing though, anon. I'm rooting for you!

>>96328154
That’s fine. I’m just over-analyzing. Calling something “magic” for the sake of it is precisely the point of magic. It may as well be magic, if it meets the criteria, or it’s in a position to be.

>>96328177
Yeah, but just have to keep in mind that everything has its own space and time. I've played a scholarly type of wizard before where they will outright lecture others at the drop of a hat on their theories regarding the origins and properties of magic because that's the kind of shit they enjoy, but when it comes to combat I just stick to what the book says just so that I don't give the GM a headache. It is kind of fun to try and figure out how a sudden fireball conjuration operates the way it does, but I don't think it's an issue to give a minor concession to the GM that for the sake of the game, it's just a particular category of attack that does fire damage.

>>96313670 (OP)
Saved.

Clap

>>96313670 (OP)
Actchually, my character identifies as a bigot, so I'm simply playing to his character traits.

>>96313691
first post best post

>>96313670 (OP)
Shit like this doesn’t happen to 99.99% of players

>>96313670 (OP)
I have a few players somewhat like this, though they rarely insult people. This sort of pedantry is typically an expression of autism where one obsesses over the dictionary definition of words and disregards any connotation they may have, no matter how unimportant the distinction may actually be. It's often paired with being nitpicky about specific rules. They can get a bit finicky, but they're not difficult to handle. You just have to be very literal with them and don't bother arguing semantics with them.
>"The walls of the dungeon are lined with torchbearers, each with a lit torch shed—"
>"You mean sconces?"
>"Yes, sconces, each with a lit torch shedding light in a 20 ft. radius."
>"And dim light another 20 ft. beyond that."
>"Yes, that too."
They're pretty easy to satisfy. If they do actually get uppity about word usage and claim you're being insensitive or some shit (e.g. get annoyed if you use the term gypsy for the opening scene in Curse of Strahd and say it's a racist term), don't bother arguing the point and just use some substitute word. In most cases, they genuinely believe they're being helpful by correcting them—they're usually not, but the important bit is that they're not trying to start an argument. A passing acknowledgement is all you need to get the game back on track.

>>96313670 (OP)
____ ___ _____ ___ _______ _&_?

>>96313670 (OP)
>How do you deal with shit like this
Smack the OP upside the head for writing such absolute dog-shit pasta.

>>96331103
>if you use the term gypsy for the opening scene in Curse of Strahd and say it's a racist term)
Literally none of the gypsies anywhere in the world consider it racist, as well as any of the local words for them, unless they're in the EU-funded organizations that give them money if they claim it's racist.

People have historically called other nations various retarded and misguided things, do Germans have a racism claim for half of Europe calling them "Mutes"?

>>96331826

>Be me.
>living in Toronto
>DM for a group of people from Romania, Serbia, Hungary
>Running curse of Strahd for 5th edition
>players are lured into Barovia by Vistani.
>Party meets Ireena
>few sessions later the possibility of having to eventually fight and take down Strahd is brought up.
>players start talking about how "foreign entities have no right to interfere with the political stability of a sovereign country" (their words not mine)
>Instead they start to focus on the Vistani
>they start addressing them as "parasites" "societal cancer" "subhuman vermin"
>I start seeing red flags, and try to steer the campaign back on a more acceptable track.
>party proceeds with to bring Ireena directly to Strahd in exchange of assistance to deal with the vistani.
>thank God for strahd being technically allied with Vistani.
>this will stop their stupid crusade
>players draft, and I kid you not, a "nonagression pact" with him in all vistani related matters
>what the fuck is this shit
>players then proceeded in rousing the population of most town and villages to purge the land from the "parasitic vermin"
> basically kill and destroy all the vistani they could reach
> players often even let the word "gypsy" slip out revealing their true colour.
>try to at least salvage the situation saying that such slur wouldn't mean anything in Barovia.
>they use the G-word even more
>I confront them stating that the word makes me uncomfortable
>they ignore me, except the bard player who seems to act normal.
>until next session when he looks me straight in the eyes during an interaction and calls one of the vistani kid a "visty".
>akward pause with me being incredulous
>bard smiles and says "gypsy".
>party then argues over the conversion of the cells in the abandoned monastery into a row of cremation ovens
>I shut down the game
>haven't talked to them since
>haven't been able to enjoy CoS since
>why are people like this

>>96332198
>DMing for Balkaners
>Picking Curse of Strahd at that
People from the Balkans hate gypsies. Why are you surprised?

>>96331826
Thank you, very helpful.

>>96313670 (OP)
By not having an innate magic class parallel to wizard and replacing it with class-neutral psionics and non-leveling innate spells.

>>96313670 (OP)
In my 30 years of TTRPGs I have never encountered this so why would I need to deal with it?

>>96332198
>Shakes your hand
Tee hee according to my culture I own you now!
According to MY culture you get in the fucking oven, Gyppo.

>>96313670 (OP)
I don't, because this never happens.

>>96332198
Where's this pasta from? Did you write it yourself?

>>96321366
If you choose to play at an organic vegan cafe run by two nonbinary lesbians in downtown LA that's on you Anon. For the rest of us this never happens.

>>96338977
Year old tale, you can find it in the archives

>>96338977
I posted it but didn't write it myself.
it's not that old. Maybe less than a year. I remember the thread where it first came up (it wasn't green texted I believe); it was in a discussion about DM sharing bad gaming experiences.
The first iteration didn't specify the DM was from Toronto and or that the players were from the Balkans.
Regardless i think it was sti 2025
Those details came out as people started discussing it.

Surprisingly, the replied where half and half in favour/against the players. As more details came out (where are you from? Where are the players from? Is this in person? Have you ever met a Gypsy?) Opinions started to backfire against the DM. The Toronto thing really pissed people off.

Someone threw the term "cultural relativity" and the DM went on a tirade of how it can't be usef as a shield for blatant racism and human rights violations. This being 4chan, things escalated quickly.
He then posted a green text version of this a few weeks later in a different thread, but by this time it was obvious that he'd get no sympathy and that he was, as an anon put it, 'a gypsy DM in shambles".

Since then I've seen it only a few times but I fucking love it.

>>96338977
>Where's this pasta from?
read the thread man >>96315059

>>96332198
>players start talking about how "foreign entities have no right to interfere with the political stability of a sovereign country"
You again!

>>96332198
Based fuck gypsies, literally everybody I've ever know who has been in the vicinity of a gypsy has had a bad experience with them, including myself when some Gypsies tried to steal my cars hubcaps. The last time I said something like this I was banned for racism but I will say jannies and mods that this isn't some unfounded nonsense, they are really like this and I have the experiences to back it up

>>96319324
Autists are normally like that because pretending to be a smug super genius is how they cultivate a sense of false power despite having none. They want to be an above it all, looking down on the peasants type.
I can sympathize to a degree. They don't have power, pretending to be an anime asshole gives them a sense of personality and control. But honestly? When people are like this it's normally constant, and unfortunately, autists generally can't be reasoned with no matter how explicit you make things, because they spend their entire lives in total incomprehension of social norms; telling them they're violating even more, they won't be able to understand and normally just get butthurt about being persecuted.
At some point I can get over someone being an autist, what I can't get over is spending time with someone who's always sitting there looking for reasons to demean and mock other people to make themselves feel bigger.
It's still bullying, and it still makes them a fucking douche. Being on the spectrum makes them a little awkward, but being a prick is reason to kick them from the table. They always blame their autism, but the autism is just a filter for their core personality. I've met sweet autists, and I've met insufferable piece of shit autists. I can tell the difference, and I make that really fucking clear really fucking quick when they act like that.

>>96332198
lmao
cultural relativism not so fun when a the sheltered firstie is dealing with people who actually live next to shit

>>96313679
fpbp

>>96313670 (OP)
I just don't make up scenarios in my head to get mad at.

>>96313670 (OP)
>Smashface Gorefist does not hear the disembodied voice, nor would he care for its words. All he knows is that deep inside the lair, there is a vile sorcerer with a potentially full set of dentures and lips unsplit; for the only liberalism Smashface cares about is the liberal application of knuckles to teeth
In all seriousness though, I would do everything I could to trigger them at that point.

>>96332198
Lol.

>>96332198
Your players did literally nothing wrong.

>>96332198
>DM for a group of people from Romania, Serbia, Hungary
This is how I know the story is fake, Hungarians and romanians hate eachother more than gypsies

>>96344387
I remember that I once visited my grandmother in the old country and gypsies stole an old broom. Not even a fancy broom. Like, it was just a bundle of straw tied to a stick that was being used to sweep the front steps and left out by the front door. It was worth nothing. But they stole it. I was baffled that they would steal something so worthless.

>>96332198
Your players did literally everything wrong.

>>96314811
So you're either him or the guy who asked him?

>>96328115
Anon you're autisitic.
Fiction isn't real. That's why magic can be real in fiction. Wizards in mythology and fairy tales are people who understand and utilize magic, thereby making magic into a tangible thing, which by your definition means it's no longer magic. You've created a circular definition that forbids its own existance.

>>96359995
You’re missing the point. Fictional hocus pocus, woo woo, or magic, etc, might not be seen as such by the fictional persons.

>>96360129
Are you a fictional person, anon?

>>96360139
Do you just assume that fictional persons lack the ability to come up with their own personal subjections? You don’t even know what magic is if you think it’s not psychological rather than substantial.

>>96360164
No, it means that whatever these non-existent people's theoretical perspectives on the matter would be is irrelevant to anon's point, aka "who cares, you autist".

>>96360199
So now you’re just willingly ignoring the point being made. Okay. That’s fine. I’m used to speaking with brick walls. It’s the way society is going right now.

>>96360228
It's an autistic and retarded idea, so yes, I'm intentionally ignoring it. I'm glad you finally understand.

>>96360247
Human nature is retarded and autistic? I would have to agree with you there.

>>96360251
Yes, you are indeed retarded and autistic. Have a nice day, anon.

>>96359995
>magic isn’t real!
I always love when people say this, as though they aren’t living in a literal Atlantean tier period. Bitch, look at your fucking phone. It’s a goddamned wand. Apps are spells. We can literally fly in the sky. We can communicate thousands of miles apart instantaneously. The internet puts any base of information before it to absolute shame/shambles. It’s the most esoteric collection of knowledge to date.

>>96361352
And it’s 100% correct. As always.

>>96362422
Nah

>>96332198
This will never not be funny to me. Everything about it is pure gold.

>>96361352
Its a singular retarded autist with a very specific obsession with forcing /tg/ to recognize his brilliance by constantly copy-pasting the same posts over and over again in any thread even barely dealing with magic.

>>96362675
I wonder what that kind of loser even gets out of repeatedly coming to /tg/ and other imageboards solely to repeat the same shit over and over again, even when they're called retarded for it.

>>96362675
>>96362692
Magic depends on the author. The setting. This extends to irl culture. Deal with it.

>>96362833
Cool, now go on home.

>>96314006
>>96314811

>>96364414
>2013
>12 years ago
I hate the marching of time some days

>>96313670 (OP)
"Hide thread" is my go-to solution

>>96313670 (OP)
lol'd

>>96313670 (OP)
obviously if you're at the point you're at the BBEG's lair and he's doing this, its an issue of you not nipping the problem in thye bud when it first showed up.

the solution is nipping it in the bud, no when its fully flowered

>>96313732
It has happened to me during the coof lockdowns.
When I played games through public discords.
But that’s on me for choosing public discords as every bad stereotype a poltard can come up with about dnd consumers gets validated there.

>>96313670 (OP)
Nerd.

>>96313679
thread

>>96313670 (OP)
>How do you deal with shit like this
The usual way

>>96313670 (OP)
I don't play with faggots. Easy done.

>>96332198
>why are people like this
Because they have had to deal with gypsies, abos, niggers, etc in real life and are not sheltered snowflakes who have only heard about things second hand.

>>96313679
/thread

>>96313670 (OP)
>>96317457
jannies deleted my post but they can’t delete my point
the only people who act like this are right wingers who can’t stop thinking about the culture war
don’t play with culture war obsessed chuds and you won’t experience these problems

>>96373646
Don’t use the chud insult. It only outs you as a bad lefty.

>>96332198
Didn't happen, but based as fuck regardless. The cuck being from Canada is a nice touch

>>96373646
Cringe

lol

I don’t know. Word autism is becoming a real big problem.

A magic-user is a magic-user.

“It’s magic”
“But it’s not”
“Fuck off”
“No u”

magic does not exist, it's all mirrors and smoke and wires.

People arguing over magic is not so different from people arguing over religion. Really.

>>96313679
He's right you know.

>>96313670 (OP)
i dont. because this doesnt happen you moron

>>96400748
It happened in history, and it damn well happens at the table.

>>96313679
FPbP.

>>96313670 (OP)
And then everyone clapped.

>>96313771
Underrated. No one knows what magic is anymore.

>>96332198
lol

>>96313670 (OP)
I hide the lazy bait thread and laugh as OP seethes.

>>96313679
How can one anon be so right?

>>96371625
>
With an inferior quality render of a firearm?

>>96408062
Why is it clap worthy?

>>96344387
The only people who defend gypsies are people who live an entire ocean away from gypsies. Imagine if I said to a black American "Just cooperate and the cops wont hurt you", same cultural ignorance.

>>96313670 (OP)
I open my eyes and stop imagining scenarios in my head.

>>96422723
It’s a realistic scenario. I’ve encountered people like this.

>>96394647
>wizard casts Levitation on a chair
>he walks over to inspect the outcome of his spell
>finds nearly invisible wires leading to the ceiling

>village being regularly ravaged by a mighty dragon
>heroes corner the beast and cut it open
>mechanical insides
>two special-effects guys and a pyrotechnician fall out of it

Imagine a whole setting like this.

>>96426150
>two special-effects guys and a pyrotechnician fall out of it
lmao

>>96426150
lol

>>96426150
So, the universe where Redman takes place in

Honestly, the semantic warfare, or word autism, of magic is a very big part of the magic, or the fun of it, and I wish people would understand this more.

Magic-by-any-other-name. Magic is ironic at its core. Like the irl Catholic church pretending their miracles weren’t magic. It was a way to control perception. It was a power move. The priests who weren’t stupid knew the true irony, and practiced legitimate black magic and demonology (exorcism stems from demonology) behind closed doors. “No it’s better!”, “No it’s allowed!”. “Your god is a demon!”. Etc. It’s the same with science, or ‘Magick’ (“that’s not magic, this is MagicK!”). It’s a punking game. Nature was either seen as magical or it wasn’t. The capital-w wizard won’t see themselves as a capital-w wizard, too transcendent, or too humble, they are. Magic is one sided. It’s an air or aura given off. The pointy hat is at times placed on the wizard’s head not by the wizard themselves, but by those they enchant. It’s all a bar. An angle. A ladder of perception. A magician isn’t even a magician to himself, not unless he sees the mystery himself.

It’s even like this in Lord of the Rings: the elves don’t see themselves or their crafts as magical, Gandalf dons the pointy hat with purpose, and the black machines of Mordor are seen as black magic.

Truly, all you need is essences of wonder, mystery, horror, ignorance. The stuff of enchantment. Even if the same words aren’t being used—the essence is still the same—as a matter of exposure logic.

Magic is a soft description, not a hard definition, and you isolate/define magic at your own peril to the detriment of anything else out there that could be seen/described as magical (what amazes one won’t amaze another). “Wow” is magic. Magic is “magic”. It’s very much in the quotations.

If you want magic in science fiction all you need is some “mad”/mad scientist, or some/something truly alien.

>>96432783
What’s funny is that, despite being responsible for the whole wizarding school stereotype, or aesthetic, the world of academia has a hard disenchantment narrative. One could easily argue that the Victorian period, one of ingenious natural inquiry of the world’s mysteries (the scientific renaissance/revolution really), was the single most wizardly period of all, it just didn’t see itself as such.

Magic, or just typical fantasy, is painfully superficial once you realize that what constitutes it overall, or what it’s known for, is all too shared by science-fiction, and the real world.

>>96432783
>>96432831
It'd be really fascinating if you could point to an actual game where that's the case instead of just spewing this shit for the millionth time in a row

>>96435544
>point to an actual game
Real life.

>>96436326
>asked to name a game
>gives an answer that's the complete opposite
Yep, still retarded

>>96436358
Survival is a game.

>>96436375
One you've lost

>>96436381
I'm typing to you right now. You're typing to me right now.

>>96436392
No, I'm pretty sure you're a bot, otherwise you wouldn't be bumping this worthless thread repeatedly

>>96436402
Beep boop beep.

>>96369969
At least you admit to your fault.
Public Discords are the worst for finding online TTRPG sessions. Especially when you take anyone in for DnD games.

>>96345029
True, but in those situations it's often a case of the game being too 'tight'.

Not if they're like that off the bat, that's a them issue, but in a more comfortable game, the player shouldn't be getting insecure about their power and control enough to start this kind of behavior.

>>96352400
>Authoritarian Barbarian.
Sounds like a comic that would get poached to make 40k.

>>96339224
I remember that thread. Guy was having a redditard melty when anons didn't support his views on why "muh heckin precious minorities" should be protected and treated like betters. Anyone whom has had to deal with gypos, Romanian or otherwise, knows them to be thieving, violent, underhanded, bastards. Fuck all of em, and heard them into the ovens alive.

>>96313670 (OP)
You don't.

Neckbeard logic?

What brings someone to make a thread like this? Like, what's the point?

>>96364414
Not him though

>>96432783
>miracles
The word miracle itself is interesting, because its core meaning is "something wonderful to behold." It even comes from the Latin word for admiration and wonder (in fact, miracle and admire come from the same root).
The sky clearing after heavy rain can be a wonderful thing, as much as someone recovering after an illness thought uncurable. Both can be called miracles, though far more people are amazed by the recovery than by a clear sky.

>>96447437
Yep. Anyone who thinks there’s a difference between magic and miracles, when both tie into enchantment, are sadly brain rotted and will probably always be brain rotted. They can’t see the essence. They only see the word. It’s low IQ. It’s like people who can’t think abstractly or who can’t into averages. If someone tells you “but I’ve met tall Asians” after telling them “most Asians are shorter than whites”, you’re dealing with an idiot. It’s the same if someone sincerely tries to argue that there’s any difference between magic and miracles.

I’m not trying to be mean to these people, they’re just painfully, arrogantly ignorant, and they don’t have the mental capacity.

>>96447437
>>96447906
>I’m right snd everyone else is an idiot
Grow up

>>96447935
>snd

>>96447935
Magic is “magic”. Magic is “wow”. A wizard is a “wizard”. Deal with it.

>>96447953
>>96447967
Magic can be other things too, it’s whatever the author wants

>>96447998
All you’re doing is proving >>96447906 is right, lmao. That magic is decided by an author at all (which extends to culture, or the mind’s eye) just affirms that it (“magic”) isn’t anything but the domain of the headspace.

>>96448026
>it (“magic”) isn’t anything but the domain of the headspace.
I don't think that anon is trying to say anything else. The point is that the headspace is not as trivial as others make it out to be.

>>96448049
“Magic is literally whatever the hell the mind perceives it to be”
“Nuh uhh I can do what I want it’s MY story you bitch”
“Yes that’s what I just said”
“NOPE”

I’ve seen at least a hundred of these thread topics and they always summon retards who get angry that they didn’t figure it out sooner.

Wonderfag…

>>96448128
That's not how it goes and you know it, Wonderfag. Shit's always

>“Magic is literally whatever the hell the mind perceives it to be”
>"Kay"
>"Therefore it doesn't exist and is all just a product of the mind"
>"...In real life or in my game?"
>"Both"
>"Okay, but the rules in my game say magic is a thing"
>"Lies! You don't grasp the intellectual chess we're discussing you god-loving fucko! Magic only exists in the mind therefore it cannot exist in any context I say it doesn't!"
>"Okay, but you know we're merely pretending magic is a thing, right? Since this is a game or prete-"
>“BUT MUH WONDER AND PSYCHOLO-"
>“Stop being a fag”
>“STOP ARGUING WITH ME IF YOU AGREE WITH ME WHY ARE YOU SO STOOPID”

Neck yourself, Wonderfag

>>96449329
Disingenuous much? Kek.

>Magic only exists in the mind therefore it cannot exist in any context I say it doesn't!
Nope. He's saying that you can't just assume that everyone (people who have their own ability to perceive) will agree that something is magic/supernatural/unnatural/etc, even in a setting with explicit hocus pocus magic.

>"Okay, but the rules in my game say magic is a thing"
It doesn't matter what you pretend magic to be. Some (pretend/hypothetical) sufficiently advanced intelligence like an alien or time traveler can look at it the same way we look at electricity or the code in a computer. By that point it's just a matter of perception.

>>96450226
Nobody is talking about any of that, numbnuts. Nobody is ever talking about what some NPC believes or doesn't believe about magic. They're talking about how an imaginary concept relates to a game function, and you've basically been doing the equivalent of rushing into a spanish language course to scream how much you fucking hate the russian language.

>>96450262
Damn, you must really hate atheists at the roleplaying table. "These gods are clearly just uppity aliens huffing their own farts".

>>96450508
Again, nobody was ever talking about that. That is a completely irrelevant non-sequitur. Piss off.

>>96450636
"Magic? Don't be ridiculous. What you did was perfectly possible. It happened."

>>96450670
Just because you're desperate for a strawman to knock down doesn't mean you have to outright talk to yourself

Oh look it's this thread again. This gets guy the exact same response to his bait every single time, pretends it never happened and starts a new thread with the exact same premise, but of course the jannies don't consider it spam since it bumps a dead board

>>96450750
*guy gets

>>96313670 (OP)
>Playing fantasy
Disgusting

lol

>>96449329
Without love, it cannot be seen.

>Wizardry is real in the form of high-level mathematics affecting the immediate reality.
>There are also people capable of performing "real" magic which is unbound by rules of reality and doesn't require years of studying ancient tomes. No one knows how it works and it pisses wizards the fuck off.

>>96455055
Location: The town square, now-desolate, it's inhabitants wanting nothing to do with the duel that's about to unfold.

The wizard raises his jade-gemerald staff up high. It begins to glow as he chants in cold determined fury.
Wizard: I've had enough of your kind looking down on us, practicioners of the arcane arts! Magic is to be cherished, shared, and learnt as the proper craft it is, and yet, you- You think you can just match millenia of thorough studies, just like that?! Becuase what?! You might have some tricks up your sleeve, but let's see how you handle this... I CAST... HELLFIRE MISSILE... furthermore... I ENCHANT IT TO BE QUADRUPLE THE SIZE. My cloak has been carefully woven by the most learned of artificiers of the northern realms... It will withstand the strike easily, but what about you, i wonder!?

The missile materializes all at once at the tip of the jade-gemerald staff, and quickly strikes it's target, The Magician, covering horizon in a whirlwind of flames.

Once the fanfair calms down, all that's left is a big crater. No sign of The Magician. Not even pieces of burnt cloth from his magnificent silky costume.

Wizard: There! That settles it! In the last moments of your miserable, "gifted" life, you've come to taste the true wonders of the arcane arts! AHAHAHA! HAH! HOHO-

Suddenly, a muffled sound is heard from within the Wizard's front pocket.
Unidentified speaker: Have you forgotten the true purpose of magic, old man? It's reason for being isn't to be understood, written down across thousands of tomes, dissected and stripped of everything that makes it what it is... The true reason of magic....... is to amaze.

Please check your pocket for me.

The Wizard does so, as if though against his own will, before pulling out the full body of The Magician, whom somehow managed to fit in just a pocket, against what common sense would dictate.

The Magician, now standing on his own two feet:Well, is this your card, old man?

>>96455055
>math
>not reality
Jesus Christ you sound retarded
>math
>not wizardry
Math is one of the oldest forms of wizardry you retard
>math
>not read or stored in tomes
Euler is one of the most prolific publishers of all time you retard, and he was BLIND

>>96455244
>GOD, I am SO angry I can’t read posts I have to RAGE against EVERYTHING

>>96455271
Yes

>>96455244
But I thought magic was "whatever the fuck", anon. Why are you so upset that anon decided to depict magic as separate from mathematics, aka whatever the fuck he wants it to be? :)

>>96313679
fpbp

>>96331103
As an autist who absolutely does this over language, thanks for understanding.
I don't even think I'm being helpful, I just have a fear of misunderstanding because there's been so, so many times when people were vague with language and I did what they said instead of what they meant without thinking and then they chimped the fuck out, so now I have a compulsive need for clarification (and also trauma).

>>96455428
Because “math is magic” and “math isn’t magic” both inhabit the same world. What does this mean?

>>96456219
That you're a faggot?

>>96456316
No it means magic is subjective. Wonder is subjective.

>>96313732
I came here to post this.

>>96459342
Right, so what's wrong with math and magic being separate? It's entirely subjective to whatever the creator says, isn't it?

>>96459426
That's what he just said. Refer to >>96456219

>>96459761
But he said that exact same thing can't be done at >>96455244
Which is it, anon? Is magic subjective or isn't it?

>>96459772
He just said it was subjective. Are you retarded or something.

>>96463833
So it's subjective, but anon isn't allowed to make mathematics and magic separate, meaning it's got specific rules surrounding what is/isn't magic, making it...non-subjective

>>96464025
>but anon isn't allowed to make mathematics and magic separate
Are you blind? Or just wilfully stupid?

He said:
— Because “math is magic” and “math isn’t magic” both inhabit the same world
He then asks:
— What does this mean?

The conclusion is: [magic is subjective]

All you’re doing is proving the imagine in >>96448026 correct. You’re an idiot or something.

>>96464302
Nah, he's saying that because he's a dipshit who wants to spout "magic is subjective" then screech when anyone actually tries it. Especially with anons making their own settings or heaven forbid playing a game where they get to use magic.

>>96313670 (OP)
Laugh at the obvious joke that the OP doesn't seem to get, then regale them with my discussion on how you absolutely don't want to confuse a weapon specialist for a street samurai- Who could you pick that's worse to offend than one of these?

>>96464302
>imagine
image*

Good old neckbeards haha

>>96313691
best nu meme of 2020's.

>>96373646
At risk of being banned myself, and as someone who's played in games with both trannies and neo-nazi's, you ain't wrong.

>>96313670 (OP)
>How do you deal with shit like this
I don't have to because it never happens.

>>96313670 (OP)
By playing actual games instead of making up imagined outrage scenarios in my head.

Magic is whatever the hell I want it to be

>>96474217
Cool, what do you want it to be anon?

>>96345029
TRUTH N2 MINE

>>96359995
>magic isn't real
Great now you've awoken all the retarded /x/fags who are le gnostic and le occult

>>96475017
Actual /x/fags know that magic is just the mind's eye. Gnostics are no different from atheists in that they hate real life and seek escapism.

>>96478855
Dare you to go to /x/ right now, make a thread asserting that, and link it in this thread so we can see how right you are

>>96478873
Nope. /x/ is a pure larp/glowie board now. Actual /x/fags cannot be found.

>>96478885
Lol knew you were full of it

>>96478897
>he thinks /x/ hasn't been compromised
Retard

>>96313670 (OP)
By not having these on our table.

>>96478901
>makes a wild assertion
>refuses to actually confirm it out of cowardice
>"y-y-y-you're the retard"
lol

>>96478926
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1qACd0wHd0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw1Sv04YQS4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5bSbAFqcGE

>>96478952
>links the old neckbeard who still cries over fat comic book nerds thinking smelly justice hobo edgelord is more heroic than le ozymandias
lmao

>>96478970
Tolkien was much the same. Ancient alchemists like Paracelsus were much the same. It's all Art. Even religion is Art. Ignorance, is Art. The reason why humans hate magic is because it gives power to the unknown. Say gravity is borderline magic around a physicist and they'll either nod or scream.

>>96479007
Alan Moore was a genius writer, but he's just as much of a faggot "muh [x] was better in muh day" loser as the comic book geekoids he whines about. He's absolutely right that most comic book nerds are fat fucking losers and comic book companies are predatory miserable capitalist shark tanks, but he's genuinely not much better from how much he seethes that nobody reads all his "classical literature" books anymore in favor of cultural flotsam, as though for every Don Quixote or Les Misérables there wasn't a trillion shitty penny dreadfuls full of the same throwaway schlock content he's bitter and angry about. And for all his base competency as a writer, dude is as much of a fanboy as the fucko comic nerds he loathes. Dude misses the point of his literature works just as much as he exults them in his comic books, and his "truer to the text" subversions are on the level of tumblr fanfic writers. And that's not counting how his attempts to the actual writing business flopped hard, and all he really has left is his old man opinions on comic books and fame from Watchmen, which he probably must despise how it's one of the few things people bother to remember him for.

And you think I'm taking magic lessons from THAT sad fat fuck? Fuck no. I'd take philosophical lessons about "what magic is" from fucking Penn and Teller over that sad mess of a human being. Though even then, Alan Moore still probably has far more credibility than you ever will, wonderfag.