Thread 96317731

Lunar Edition

>What is Exalted?
An epic high-flying role-playing game about reborn god-heroes in a world that turned on them.
Start here:http://theonyxpath.com/category/worlds/exalted/

>That sounds cool, how can I get into it?
Read the 3e core book (link below). For mechanics of the old edition, play this tutorial:http://mengtzu.github.io/exalted/sakuya.html
It’ll get you familiar with most of the mechanics.

>Gosh that was fun. How do I find a group?
Roll20 and the Game Finder General here on /tg/. good luck

>Resources for Third Edition
>3E Core and Splats
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/b54o6teut3fx6/Exalted_3e

>Errata for Third Edition
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n3ooTmopm3CBxW5jwPp1761xsaIccea-5XIhVM_PQEc/edit

>Other Ex3 Resources
https://pastebin.com/fG1mLMdu (embed)

>Resources for Older Editions
https://pastebin.com/BXSGuFdQ (embed)

>Current Quixalted Extended QE Version (Fanmade Supplement)
https://files.catbox.moe/rjgmo5.pdf

>Optional Quixalted Exalts
https://www.mediafire.com/file/jg86yrewnhx2ov3/QE_Reject3eExaltHomebrew.pdf/file

>Exalted Demake/Black Vault (Now with updates):
https://pastebin.com/Tt1PjuYt (embed)
https://pastebin.com/qHRW9N51 (embed)

>collection of Exalted Hacks
https://pastebin.com/gtZnycJs (embed)

>stuff that might be interesting
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/the-exalted-thread-with-no-original-ideas.317216/

Last thread: >>96287859
TQ: What are your takes on the Silver Pact and company?

Honestly as a Lunar I’ve not yet interacted with the Silver Pact desu

Imagine being Ma-Ha-Suchi at the yearly meeting of the Silver Pact elders and having to be all like "damn, Raksi, you fuckin' fine, all sexy with your Wyld-mutated body and horrific androgynous monster face. I would totally have sex with you, both my spirit shape and the human me" when all he really wants to do is fuck another Dragon-Blooded in his Nameless Lair. Like seriously imagine having to be Ma-Ha-Suchi and not only sit around the campfire while Raksi flaunts her disgusting body in front of you, the incense burners barely concealing her baby blood breath, and just sit there, talk after talk, hour after hour, while she perfected that dance. Not only having to tolerate her monstrous fucking visage but her haughty attitude as everyone tells her she's STILL GOT IT and DAMN, RAKSI LOOKS LIKE THAT?? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and watch her mannish fucking monkey face contort into types of grimaces you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been fucking nothing but a healthy diet of Solars and later ALLEGED rape camp victims for your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of the bathhouses of the First Age. You've never even seen anything this fucking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the sweat that's breaking out on her baby entrails-bloated stomach as she sucks it in to writhe it suggestively at you, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to sit there and revel in her "celestial (for that is what she calls herself)" beauty, the beauty she worked so hard for with baby blood sacrifices in the previous months. And then Tammuz calls for another round of talks, and you know you could kill every single Shahan-ya in this meeting before the Full-Moons could put you down, but you sit there and endure, because you're fucking Ma-Ha-Suchi. You're not going to lose your future political favors over this. Just bear it. Hide your face and bear it.

>>96317747
How's the game going?

>>96317731 (OP)
It never needed to exist as anything other than a cadre of anime midbosses for the PCs to run over.

>>96317801
You know that the shitstorm was bad, when it made a resurgence of a long dead pasta.

>>96318118
Truth be told, of the 1e elders only Tammuz was designed as a mid boss.

>>96318212
>only Tammuz
I'm choosing to interpret this as implying Raksi is the final boss of a campaign.

>>96318109
Pretty good, I’m using alternate rules for the Lunar from the Terrifying Argent Witches Redux since I wanted to keep up with the Infernal of the party. The Lunar milf is basically the bruiser of the party, she handles most of the combat and anything requiring lots of physical exertion (plus a bit of social stuff too) while the Infernal shota is responsible for crafting stuff and anything requiring more intelligence. The Lunar is leaning really heavily into mutations and her goals actually are something of a hybrid between your typical Lunar and Infernal goals. That said she and the Infernal have had some conflicts because he’s a big brat and so she corrects him sometimes.

>>96318231
He is the only one that acted rational, but I think Get did too but I don't remember his write up.

>>96318254
Ah you can the Lunar out of the ERP but not the ERP out of the Lunar.

>>96318262
I like to think of the lewd aspects as my coping mechanism for the setting. Exalted is a pretty relentlessly bleak setting if you take it too seriously so I prefer to think about the sexy ways exalts can abuse their power instead.

>>96318262
Despite the devs trying to make them into early 20th century literature savages, Lunars are actually the most vaginal exalted, it is in their nature to serve cunt.

>>96318212
>You know that the shitstorm was bad, when it made a resurgence of a long dead pasta.
Huh?

>>96318231
She's the final boss of a lot of Lunar campaigns, in that it takes a lot of struggle to get past her and many campaigns collapse and die when she appears in-person. Ma-Ha-Suchi's in a similar position, as are most Deathlords with Abyssals, or the Bull with Solars.

Say what you will about Chejop Kejak and Ayesha Ura but at least Sidereal campaigns can regularly survive meeting them. Leviathan and the Third Circle Demons don't explode their own games often either, credit due.

>>96318300
>>96318319
At the end of the day these guys inherited all of the WtA problems with very little of the upsides.

>>96318722
Lunars and the Forsaken are two sides of the same coin.
Forsaken: we don't want to be like the garou! (Remove anything that isn't; we are doomed, sins of your fathers and fighting against predatory spirits).
Lunars: we want to be the Garou!! (Copy the superficial worst traits without the positives)

>>96318722
I find that the TAW rules fix most of the mechanical issues at least. I can’t speak for the lore issues since the lunar milf is too busy shrinking bratty shotas and stuffing them in her tits to really concern herself with the Silver Pact.

Does TAW have a 3e version?

>>96317731 (OP)
What do you need to remember to create a Lunar, any advice? Also, who are your favorite canon Lunars and why, and have your PCs interacted with them at all?

>>96318997
It depends on what do you want out of them and if that works with the rest of the group/game. If I had to pic a favorite Lunar I would say Leviathan mostly because his concept is pretty neat even if his lore is boring as shit.

>>96318997
Depends on the edition.
1e, DBT is mandatory.
2, spider and octopus barrage.
3e, martial arts is the way to go.
Essence, Lunars cripple themselves with castes, go casteless.

>>96318753
Exalted and World of Darkness in general are just two sides of the same coin.

1e was just an alternative setting for WoD.
2e was more separate but took even more from old WoD, RotSE was a set-up from WoD.
3e apparently STILL grabs stuff from WoD whenever they want new content. I'm less knowledgeable on this though. Stuff like names and other less known stuff.

There are no new ideas, just rehashes after rehashes.

Kill Sol Invictus. Behead Sol Invictus. Roundhouse kick Sol Invictus into the concrete. Blast Sol Invictus in the kneecaps. Slam dunk Sol Invictus into the trashcan. Stomp Sol Invictus's skull and tell him to touch grass. Karate chop Sol Invictus in half. Judo throw Sol Invictus into a wood chipper. Privy Sol Invictus to the existential horrors of being a fictional anime femboy losers goon to. Turn Sol Invictus into a great soft jelly thing with no mouth with which to scream.

>>96319094
>There are no new ideas, just rehashes after rehashes.
That applies to everything. Even when they pull from other media, it is fairly obvious where they got the parts from.

>>96319108
Okay Malfean

>>96319284
i call it ebon posting.

>>96319094
>1e was just an alternative setting for WoD.
It is an in-between of Dark Ages and NWoD.
Despite starting as the former, it became like the latter over 1e.
It stopped being an alternative OWoD setting really fast, becoming a game inspired by it instead.

>>96317731 (OP)
>TQ: What are your takes on the Silver Pact and company?
They haven't really prominently featured in my games, even when I was running a Lunars campaign. I think some degree of cooperation and camaraderie among Lunars make sense, both because they are a relative handful of Luna's Chosen and therefore have something rather significant in common with each other, and because the Realm keeps trying to kill them and a shared threat is a good reason for alliance. It also makes sense for a handful of elders to hold a grudge about the Usurpation, and it makes sense for some of the younger generations to end up adopting that grudge, either because that's what it takes to get the support and mentorship of those powerful and well-connected elders or because they, like a lot of people in Creation, have their own issues with the Realm. I think that the broad strokes of the Pact make sense and work fine, but it's far too central for Lunars, as is the Pact's ongoing vendetta against the Usurpers. Silver Pact as a loose mutual-aid network with a subset of more ideologically united members actively fighting against the Realm is fine, Silver Pact as something with unified goals is dumb. As for individual canon Lunar members of the Pact, I think people exaggerate their, or at least the elders', problems in all editions, though of course they do they do have problems in all editions. Still, I think both the edgy monsters of the past editions and the more reasonable but kinda dull elders of 3E are sort of fine, and some kind of a halfway point between the two would actually be pretty good.

>>96320225
Yes, yes. And technically a lot of the stuff they rehash is a rehash in name only, as in the name is the only thing they share. I will still put money down on stuff being straight up taking for WoD, both old and new, and shoved into exalted 3e. At least ten dollars.

>>96320267
Exalted is, all in all, pretty different from WoD, regardless of which edition we're talking about.

>>96317731 (OP)
Hey, what are your favorite Lunar-themed artifacts, and what’s the best way to design new ones?

>>96320584
Honestly I don't really remember any of them besides the shape shifting fleshlight.

>>96318378
I like how Leviathan was essentially the token good Silver Pact leader for 2 whole editions simply because the bar was set too low.

>>96318753
>without the positives
>positives
>implying Garou have positives
You know at least Lunars aren't directly responsible for systematically butchering other shapeshifters (after the Primordial War anyway), don't have a faction that worships Malfeas/the Ebon Dragon, and don't have a militant feminist cult that's even more proactive about ecoterrorism than the rest.

>>96319251
Pretty much. Exalted/oWoD is just 40K for people who prefer the Wheel of Time and eastern mythology over Moorecock's body of work and Tolkien.

>>96320584
Death at the Root. Kill manses, behead manses etc.

>>96321955
Leviathan is more "neutral", because of his isolation, otherwise he would be Ma-Ha-Suchi tier.

>You know at least Lunars aren't directly responsible for systematically butchering other shapeshifters (after the Primordial War anyway)
>Eco terrorists.
Only because the Dragon-Blooded are too good at keeping them at bay, 1e Lunars are nearly around red talons levels, only really losing because they are human born.

>>96321955
>Moorecock's
White Wolf is literally named after his works, and the devs always mentioned him as a source of inspiration, with a lot of quotes scattered through 1e

Where are the descriptions of Lunars shape shifting into Wyld mutated creatures?

>>96317747
I'm using it in my game as a vague background force, as a mix of "What if W:tA's shifter society worked as intended?" and an SJW power fantasy of an anarchist mutual aid thing. Right now the only Lunars are a pair of mischievous scamming courtesans that are coded as modern party girl hustlers. My PC is one of them.

I guess I'll have to come up with something for opponent silver pact rivals, and I don't want to just go with generic barbarian or sexy ninja lady.

>>96322476
I don't they are capable of doing it in 3e

>>96322005
>1e Lunars are nearly around Red Talons levels

They're all originally human, so that's not possible. And yes, I know you said "nearly". Getting anywhere near Red Talons levels inherently requires never having been human.

>>96323484
FatG p132.

>>96323491
Like I said, 1e!Lunars only lost the return to monke competition, because their lupus equivalent only formally existed as a ST suggestion.

>>96323484
Unrelated, but are there stats somewhere for razor wire as a weapon?

>>96323616
The exigent book has something for that.

>>96323615
>only formally existed

Nope. Madcap stuff thrown at the wall at the end of 2e's ST section doesn't count for 1e presentation.

Can a Sidereal cuck a Solar out of their Lunar soulmate?

>>96324241
praying to god for anons to stop bringing up their ntr fantasies in this thread.

>>96324329
No can do, Anon. To be Exalted is to be sexually dominant. Anything less would be an insult to our Patrons.

>>96324361
By that logic everyone should be following 2e’s lead in constantly fellating Solars/Solaroids since Luna, the Maidens make up his harem, the Dragonblooded served the Solars loyally, and the alternative is being the Exalted equivalent of gutter trash like a Liminal, a Getimian, or (may Sol Invictus have mercy) an Ex*gent.

>>96324241
Probably, even if the odds are pretty shit that's well within their wheelhouse. Even if the easiest way to do that is to kill the Lunar.

>>96324425
Given Sol did indeed set his children and his children alone at the top of the pecking order he didn't want anything else to happen.

>>96324241
Shun the Smiling Lady the Solar, turning off the Lunar's intimacy to them. Seduce.

>>96325040
Why would anyone care about what Sol wants, though?

>>96325315
Ir just sets up what the in universe expectations were, at least at first. Solars later get shat on pretty hard because the writers couldn't avoid the power creep problem.

>>96325616
It is mainly because they hate that Solars are so popular, the crabs is a bucket mentality.

>>96325652
No. No, that's definitely not it. No edition has intentionally fucked over Solars. It's just that writers obviously get a better grasp of mechanics as any given edition goes on, and they also keep getting new, cool ideas and putting them in without considering details of balance. What is it with these batshit insane, based-on-nothing claims about the devs' reasoning and motivations we keep seeing in these threads?

>>96325699
We are a bunch of shamans and or schizophrenics, what did you expect?

>>96325722
I dunno, I guess I expected the schizophrenics to at least take their meds before posting.

>>96320259
Personally I like the idea of the Silver Pact being a faction centered around appeasing or instigating the older generation into more grandiose actions after they mellowed out because of all the bullshit they dealt with during the first age.

>>96325807
The meds take the fun out of posting, memes aside, the sentiment of the Solars feeling fucked over does have a legitimate source people just disagree with what would be the right way to remedy this.
Despite my gripes with it I think Essence will suffer from this problem less because everyone was playable from the start so they will escalate at roughly the same rate.

>>96318753
>Lunars: we want to be the Garou!! (Copy the superficial worst traits without the positives)
The problem is that most of what made the Nation an interesting faction to navigate is how much it has shot itself in the foot and the mirrors to IRL political problems. They didn't translate that sense all that well with the silver pact because of how a lot of the stuff they were bouncing off from simply doesn't exist anymore or has a different role.

>>96325315
Well in 1e it was mostly because he was the strongest and most courageous of the gods, in 2e it was mostly because he was Hindu Superman so everyone overlooked his clear parental favouritism in return for literally being the originator of justice in an amoral universe, and I don't actually think we have enough of a clearcut picture of him in 3e to say much for certain about his personality. Other than that the concept of gods enslaving other gods horrified him enough to move on the others. Which is besides the point anyway since the Solars have never been more lessened in setting importance than in 3e, which dares to insinuate the First Age was more of a Romance of the Three Kingdoms situation (the lazy and pretentious interpretation 3efags use to pretend getting a degree in anthropology was worth the money it was printed on) and less of a literal magitech utopia (the based interpretation).

>>96325699
>It's just that writers obviously get a better grasp of mechanics as any given edition goes on
That has shit all to do with concepts like progenitive essence, one of the Elemental Dragons being interpreted as a transsexual, the whole premise of Exigents being given a free pass by the Immaculate Faith and the Realm imposing gender roles on men and women to give the writers a kick out of women wearing the pants in everything. As opposed to it being pro-Empress and anti-everyone else to an equal degree.

>>96325807
Look I'll take my meds when you explain why the Bull in the North was given a magical wound he and none of his Solar friends are capable of healing. Coincidentally I'll point out that the fancord is surrounded by Realm fans who get extremely butthurt about any hint of disrespect to their imaginary elemental tokugawa nation (which is also OK in 3e with summoning demons so the LGBT crowd can have children without marrying somebody they don't want to).

>>96325699
Also.

>they also keep getting new, cool ideas
>Liminals
>Getimians and their patron whose initial lore was so poorly received they had to retcon him having motivations other than "gay incel"
>Dr. Jekyll Exalts
>Wyld Exalts who aren't even connected to Raksha but some vague nonsense patron with nothing to do with anything
>The Spoken (fishxalted)
>Devil-stars
>the cum bath queen civilisation
>gods going on strikes
>Ryzala somehow not being totally irredeemable even though that's literally what she was designed to be
>The Lover having a vague and nonsensical grudge against the concept of love instead of being an elemental hedonist
>The Neverborn simultaneously being awake enough to fulfil basic sacred cow plot points and asleep enough to let the writers claim they changed something
>Demons having a FUCKING EMBASSY in Yu-Shan for some literally godsforsaken reason
>Gajam-Un, who the First Age Solars couldn't find a way to kill OR seal permanently even though Karvara at least was sealed indefinitely. Apparently it's harder to kill something merely made of Primordial organs than an actual Primordial
>"The power of Exalted Charms stops increasing at E5, also Metropoli are a thing and explicitly have building-sized charms and (lorewise) city-destroying weapons at the minimum"
>Ripping off Uzumaki and randomly sticking it in Creation with the most insultingly trite explanation possible
>Ripping off Orpheus and turning Grand Maw into a necromancy tutor

Fuck off.
Fuck right off with the insinuation 3e has been mostly good ideas.

>>96325982
>Other than that the concept of gods enslaving other gods horrified him enough to move on the others
The Unconquered Sun did that himself, though. He enslaved Shifune to the Foxbinder and sent them into the care of the Immaculate Order for the purposes of hunting down Solar Exalted.

Oh, changing moons were outright said to be illusion casters, and the illusions are separated from the shapeshifting

>>96325893
Yes, you cannot just port tropes and narratives and expect them to work.
It is similar to Bleach and Evocations, what Holden wanted was dysfunctional to a table top game.

>>96326055
I'm not saying it's not hypocritical, I'm merely relaying what the 3e Sidereals manuscript informed me.

>>96325893
I just had a vision of what the Garou Nation might look like if written in current year. It's...it's horrifying.

>>96326090
>had a vision of what the Garou Nation might look like if written in current year. It's...it's horrifying
Tell us about it on their general, that would be a less boring thing than whatever the fuck is going on there.

>>96325996
What do those things have to do with powercreep and Solars being overshadowed by it, anon?

>>96326005
Because the devs don't have the balls to kill their sacred cows, or in this case a sacred bull. Like, literally killing the Bull would've been a lot better than having him be perma-wounded. Regardless, the rationale behind it was to not have an awesome older Solar overshadow the PCs. You can disagree with that rationale, you can ridicule it, you'd have good reason to do so, but the change was made to jerk off Solar OCs, not to fuck them over.

>>96326033
Re-read the post, re-read the post it was a reply to, consider the context of the discussion and work on your reading comprehension.

>>96326076
2e gave Lunars illusions via butterfly charms.

>>96326076
>It is similar to Bleach and Evocations, what Holden wanted was dysfunctional to a table top game.
Your irrational grudge aginst Evocations is getting tiresome. People have already proven you wrong hundred times. Let it go.

>>96326033
>>The Neverborn simultaneously being awake enough to fulfil basic sacred cow plot
I wouldn't call these sacred cows, since they are the only thing reining in the Deathlords Mary Suedom

>>96326128
Did you see the original draft? The one Holden accidentally scrapped? With every artifact being basically a separate sorcery system?

>>96326128
Evocations are fine but rather clunky most of the time.

>>96326149
>The one Holden accidentally scrapped?
>accidentally
What the fuck are you talking about, anon?

>>96326154
I think they would be better as conjuncts of "generic" charms than one of a kind holistic charmtrees.

The unique play lops should have been reserved for 5/NA artifacts.

>>96326164
Old devs had to abandon the intended evocation system after they previewed a demo, the demo is the basis of the current one.

>>96326121
>those things
I was addressing the idea that the writers are actively improving, not Solars being overshadowed by it specifically in that post.

>You can disagree with that rationale, you can ridicule it, you'd have good reason to do so, but the change was made to jerk off Solar OCs, not to fuck them over.
No, I can do all those things and also state it's insulting to Solar PCs to imply that a Dragonblooded NPC could ever inflict that much damage without, WITHOUT, a weapon worthy of it's own epic backstory and rules (it was just some fucking anonymous guy lmao). If there was more writing to it I would've accepted it. As it stands, that's nonsense. You don't make Solar PCs feel empowered by crippling NPCs you don't like, you make them feel empowered by STATTING THE BULL (within reason for average players' builds to deal with) and then daring the PCs to take him by the horns.

>work on your reading comprehension
No, I will take any opportunity to blame the current edition for sucking regardless of whatever you want to talk about.

>>96326141
I'm against Deathlord mary suedom as well and putting those fucks in line, I just want them to cop to the Neverborn being as active as they were in 2e as the sword of damocles hanging over them instead of acting like them being inert adds anything of value to the setting.

>>96326121
>Re-read the post, re-read the post it was a reply to, consider the context of the discussion and work on your reading comprehension
It was a reply against a post saying that no edition is anti solar, despite 3e going out of its way to remove the solar presence to the setting, to the point that it isn't uncommon for new fans to be unsure about the point of the solar's existence

>>96326193
No, anon, they didn't have to. They didn't accidentally do it. There was a first draft, it didn't work out, there was further work on the concept and the end result was something different.

>>96326199
>I was addressing the idea that the writers are actively improving, not Solars being overshadowed by it specifically in that post.
I understood that. That's why I told you to work on your reading comprehension, because that idea was not present in the post your replied to, the one that was entirely and exclusively about power creep and the dev's reasoning behind said powercreep. Like, this would be obvious for anyone with a normal grownup's level of reading comprehension, but devs having new, cool ideas and putting them in without considering balance obviously, in the context of what the discussion was about, means cool new Charm ideas that leads to powers that outdo Solars. Coolness of those ideas is, of course, subjective, as coolness always is, but the developer thought process there is definitely one where they come up with ideas they consider cool. Is there something else about this that I should clarify to meet your special needs?

>>work on your reading comprehension
>No
Now that's /exg/ in a nutshell. At least you're honest about your indifference to whether you actually understand anything you read, which is something, I guess.

>>96326280
>At least you're honest about your indifference to whether you actually understand anything you read, which is something, I guess.
I've seen enough terrible opinions in these threads to expect absolutely fucking nothing from them now that Quixalted is done, Holden is rapidly spiralling up his own ass, and I've lost all hope in 3e accomplishing anything of value.

I am specifically offended by your insinuation the current devs are capable of having "cool" ideas consistently because of my visceral hatred for most of what 3e has introduced to the setting, to the extent I think you're the one with special needs for defending their pathetic excuses for thought processes. No, it's not fucking cool. The devs being fundamentally incapable of having cool thoughts is why Exalted is neither as epic nor as high-flying as it should be, and is stuffed full of fucking cuisine paragraphs instead you inbred bootlicking eunuch.

>>96326262
3E not wanking Solars as hard as 2E is not being anti-Solar, anon.

>it isn't uncommon for new fans to be unsure about the point of the solar's existence
I've never seen a new fan being confused about that. For a new fan, Solars being cool and powerful is reason enough. It's specifically some of the old fans who're used to the previous editions who're unsure about the point of the Solar's existence.

>>96326280
>the one that was entirely and exclusively about power creep and the dev's reasoning behind said powercreep
Also for the record I fully comprehend that point and would've been willing to just leave the whole damn conversation there if you hadn't felt the urge to jump and defend your parasocial manmommies' honour by pulling the "coolness is subjective" card with the creative team that forced fucking Liminals into the setting. Put the Cosmic Exalted in while you're at it, I'm sure that's subjective enough someone will like it.

>>96326316
>3E not wanking Solars as hard as 2E is not being anti-Solar, anon.
The entire setting devalue the impact that the Exalted as a whole have had on it is, especially with all these new Exalts that exist and have accomplished nothing of value.

>>96326307
>I am specifically offended by your insinuation the current devs are capable of having "cool" ideas consistently
Yes, I got that, and the reason I told you to work on your reading comprehension is because I didn't insinuate that, which would've been clear if you'd actually read my post in the context. I already explained this to you once, and I guess now I've explained it to you twice. I hope that's enough, because I don't really feel like repeating myself on this again. Just, however offended you are, please try to muster whatever capacity for rational thought your obviously overemotional brain can offer and actually read the posts you're replying to, preferably before replying to them.

Would it break anything too much if I made the Martial Artist merit give you an extra mote pool equal to (Essence of highest MA Charm x 2) for Exalted and other practitioners with their own mote pool? It can only be spent on MA Charms, if it helps.

>>96326316
>3E not wanking Solars as hard as 2E is not being anti-Solar, anon.
It outright removed solars from the story of old locales

>>96326343
2e had to introduce a "you can only have extra mote pools up to your permanent Essence rating dots" rule.

>>96326331
I think they also removed Lunars from Chiaroscuro, and made the leaders more pro realm

>>96326340
Why? Is there a single fucking rationale reason where I, personally, vent my frustrations about the state of the game to you, an anonymous stranger with no respect for me? I take far more gratification in expressing my anger than giving a single shit about the nonexistent merits of rationality with you. If an AI could post here and use /exg/ to train it's learning model it could do everything of substance you do for me. I do not care if you stamp your foot and continue to waste both our time, or do us both a favour and fuck off. I profit from it either way.

>>96326343
I don't actually think so unless you use SMAs, specifically Prismatic Arrangement of Creation which is already a fountainhead of mote tricks, because SMA bullshit aside (and alright, Solar Hero Style if we're being technical about prior editions) I don't actually think martial arts charms are situation-changing enough to really benefit from this extra motes.

>>96326327
Jesus Christ, you really meant it when you refused to work on your reading comprehension. I haven't offered my opinion on the coolness of any specific 3E change, anon, not in this thread. I've explained the ways you managed to misread my post, and that's it. I specifically mentioned the subjectivity of the coolness of any idea to make it clear that I wasn't commenting on whether the ideas themselves were cool, just on the dev thought process. The only comment about the competence of the devs - devs of all three editions, because there's some degree of Solars being overshadowed by the later splats in all of them - is that they haven't intentionally fucked over Solars. I haven't even said that they haven't fucked over Solars, merely that it hasn't been intentional. Just how cognitively deficient do you have to be to read this as "defend parasocial manmommies' honour"? I assume that by my parasocial manmommies you mean all the devs starting with Grabowski, as, again, the powercreep isn't 3E specific and consequently none of what I've said is specific to 3E, either.

>>96326381
Like I said, they devalue the Exalted. An obscure fact about 2e is that the Lunars drove away a Raksha Behemoth made from countless Unshaped stitched together into a serpent massive enough to swallow Creation. The Silver Pact has never done anything that cool in 3e.

>>96326391
I mean, why not go vent to an AI? If you literally don't care about what the posts you're replying to actually say, it shouldn't matter at all whether you're talking to an AI or a human. Or is the idea of annoying another human with your inanity an integral part of your venting? If it is, you should just honestly admit that you're just here to bait an stir up shit.

>>96326395
It's really ironic that you're the one calling me schizo when I've repeatedly told you multiple times now that I both understand the point you're making, and also genuinely do not care because the fact that you are asking me to humour the "subjectivity of the coolness of any idea" is more insulting to me than if you'd shat on my porch. You're the one keeping this going, not me.

>I assume that by my parasocial manmommies you mean all the devs starting with Grabowski
Hey, I'm not one to judge about who you share your disposal income with.

>>96326411
I'm here to talk about the things I want to talk about regarding Exalted. I don't vent to an AI because I refuse to train other people's large learning models for them. It's that simple.

I'm starting to really see Malfeas' point. Pain and anger really do put everything into perspective.

>>96326398
Yes, they also removed them killing white ram.

3e feels like a PvE open world game, where the cool things only exist in lore, and there is only real support for PvP (Exalt vs Exalt), since the world is barren of interactivity.

>>96326413
I haven't called you a schizo, though.

>I both understand the point you're making, and also genuinely do not care because the fact that you are asking me to humour the "subjectivity of the coolness of any idea" is more insulting to me than if you'd shat on my porch.
I mean, you obviously don't unerstand the point I¨m making, though. None of your posts make any sense in the context of the point I'm making. None of your outrage has anything to do with the point I'm making. You've made statements that make it explicitly clear that you do not, in fact, understand what I'm saying, notably here >>96326307.

>You're the one keeping this going, not me.
In other words, you're going to keep this up until I let you have the final word, but you're not going to accept any responsibility for keeping this up? Okay, anon, fine. If you don't make any new wondrously inane claim, I'll drop this. This is my last post on this, I swear. I'll just ask that before getting offended at some other post you'll inevitably end up misunderstanding as this thread goes on that, despite your earlier refusal, you'll give that whole reading comprehension and calm, rational thought thing a try. It'd make things a lot easier for everyone involved.

>>96326464
>Yes, they also removed them killing white ram.
Where's this stated?

>>96326484
3e!Sacheverell sleep was caused by him creating the Getimians

>>96326033
Anon, when you don't word them like a retard most of the things you listed are pretty great. Half the stuff you're talking about btw dates back to 1e.
>The Neverborn simultaneously being awake enough to fulfil basic sacred cow plot points and asleep enough to let the writers claim they changed something
They have literally always been asleep and awake. What the fuck are you on.

>>96326508
NTA anon, but 3e simultaneously tried to turn the Deathlords into "strong independent ghosts that don't need any patron"* and still keep them under the Neverborn's rein.

*In before, this is an exaggeration for the sake of a joke.

>>96326491
Sacheverell was always a stupid fucking DM PC anyways. We get it, it's meta, if he wakes up the game is over. Dumbest shit in the world and it just ruins the setting.

Exalted has a LOT of "This NPC is super cool and stronger then any exalt and can't ever die because he just revives" and it's fucking exhausting. Deathlords, the Yozi, all the devs fan favorites. I'd take weird types of Exalted over that shit any day of the week.

>>96326545
That's pretty much what they've always been? They get to do what they want so long as they follow orders and if they DON'T listen they get stuck in a giant suite of torture armor? The Deathlords are neat but I don't really have much to say about them desu.

>>96326549
>Sacheverell was always a stupid fucking DM PC anyways. We get it, it's meta, if he wakes up the game is over. Dumbest shit in the world and it just ruins the setting
He is a setting unfitting reference to Gods of Pegāna's Māna-Yood-Sushāī

>>96326563
The devs wanted to remove/downplay the "following" orders part, to give the Deathlords even more agency, making them the top of the oblivion hierarchy

>>96326564
New thing to read and damn, that is interesting. I guess when you force myths you like into a setting shit gets messy really fast. DnD has the same stuff going on with their gods. Either way I don't like Sacheverell, he's dumb and a dumb idea to have in Exalted. Also pretty sure he wasn't in 1e, because, I don't know, they weren't as retarded.

>>96326605
Yes, at first I thought he was based on Azathoth.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Gods_of_Peg%C4%81na
Gods of Pegāna is a fast read, less than 90 pages.

>>96326597
Yes, just like in 1e and 2e? The Deathlords have always been trying to milk as much time being lords before they have to kill themselves. Or are you saying that the Neverborn don't give any orders anymore and just leave it all up to the Deathlords? I thought the whole thing with the Neverborn is that it's supposed to be a waiting game until they win, or at least that's how they see it.

Hell in 2e one Deathlord wants to end creation besides a SINGLE PERSON just so they can torture them forever in a universe of two. That's hilarious.

>>96326620
This is pretty amazing and it looks like Exalted 2e 'stole' it wholesale. I'd say inspired by but my god. It's the same thing, writing style and everything. Thanks again for the link, I would have put off reading it if I had to look around myself.

I don't know how I've never heard of this before. Maybe I have and just forgot. I don't know, either way thank you.

>>96326180
The problem with that is how the idea of evocations is how they are supposed to be unique and tailored for each artefact, they were asking for a lot of extra work for very little payoff.
Anyway, shit ideas are shit.

>>96326664
It was always listed as a source of inspiration, 1e devs used 4 of the Pegāna gods as a basis for the Maidens.

2e went harder with the least gods being responsible for their domains instead of observers.
3e!Holden went harder by making Saturn use the symbol of Saturn against Rakan, like Mung (her source of inspiration) does.

>>96326364
So that's a yes.

>>96326391
I'm just trying to figure out a way to make taking up MA less of an experience dump by adding early benefits to make the four-point merit worth it. Might make MA merit chains rather than skill ladders as well.

>>96327556
It is just a rule patch to avoid the mechanics from being abused

Which is the worst Sidereal Chosen to be?

>>96327632
Battles, usually. The non-combat tricks in combat charm trees do not make up for the inefficiency of taking multiple combat skills.

>>96327556
the obvious benefit would be getting light artifact weapon stats out of the merit, so that it's not egregiously worse than Melee Charms + Artifact 4

>>96327775
>Archery, Athletics, Melee, Presence, & War
They selection isn't that bad.

>>96327775
>Archery, Athletics, Melee, Presence, & War
The selection isn't that bad

>>96327775
>the obvious benefit would be getting light artifact weapon stats out of the merit
Yeah, that was part of the plan. In fact, I also plan to give certain styles the ability to give the practitioner's unarmed attacks Medium or Heavy Artifact stats, on a case-by-base basis.

>>96327919
> medium or heavy

don't do that, unarmed is rightfully locked to light because it is fully combo-compatible between (nearly) every single martial art, it just shouldn't also require buying separate artifact handwraps

>>96327950
Perish the thought. It'll cost nothing, though it may be restricted to emulating only certain style-compatible weapons. I think an Earth Dragon practitioner's fists should hit exactly like a tetsubo.

>>96327970

OK but now you're bringing back the ivory pestle style issue

>>96327977
Uh oh, is that really bad?

>>96327906
They get Brawl not athletics. Athletics is endings.

>>96327906
>>96328651
The fact that they've Archery, Brawl, and Melee (and MA like all Sidereals do) is practically reinventing the Dawn Problem.

>>96328651
Yes, that is from 2e.
From your comments, they seem to have returned the Dawn problem in an attempt to change the assigned constellations.

Some people complained that 2e configuration didn't match 1e's constellation philosophy principle.

>Exalted: the Sidereals
>Journeys:Endurance, Ride, Sail, Survival, Thrown
>Serenity: Craft, Dodge, Linguistics, Performance, Socialize
>Battles:Archery, Brawl, Melee, Presence, Resistance
>Secrets: Investigation, Larceny, Lore, Occult, Stealth
>Endings:Athletics, Awareness, Bureaucracy, Martial Arts, Medicine

>Manual of Exalted Power: Sidereals
>Journeys:Resistance, Ride, Sail, Survival, Thrown
>Serenity:Craft, Dodge, Linguistics, Performance, Socialize
>Battles:Archery, Athletics, Melee, Presence, War
>Secrets:Investigation, Larceny, Lore, Occult, Stealth
>Endings:Awareness, Bureaucracy, Integrity, Martial Arts, Medicine

Quixalted.
>Journeys: Resistance, Ride, Sail, Survival, Thrown.
>Serenity: Craft, Dodge, Linguistics, Performance,
Socialize.
>Battles: Archery, Athletics, Melee, Presence, War.
>Secrets: Investigation, Larceny, Lore, Occult, Stealth.
>Endings: Awareness, Bureaucracy, Integrity, Brawl,
Medicine.

>>96326005
>(which is also OK in 3e with summoning demons so the LGBT crowd can have children without marrying somebody they don't want to).
I'm currently on a prescription for what is basically legal meth for my ADHD, not sure how its hard to understand that a nation state would have exemptions to otherwise illegal and unseemly behaviors (although I'm not sure it was ever illegal to summon demons in 1e/2e in the Realm if you're a Dragon-blooded).

>>96328862
It's not banned but it's heavily stigmatized and heavily regulated. Sorcerers are viewed with suspicion and unease for their otherworldly power, and the Immaculate Faith would frown on using said eldritch powers for frivolous things like getting out of your duty to marry and sire children which is the cornerstone of the Realm's power. That's like three major cultural taboos right there, and that's not to mention how angry that Dragon-Blooded's Great House would get that their bloodline husbandry is being thwarted and possibly tainted with demonic mojo. That shit would only work if you kept it a well-guarded secret or had some seriously ground-shaking political pull to silence your opponents, it shouldn't be something you're allowed to do willy-nilly. The only reason for this setting-breaking retardation is moronic editorial fiat borne from cowardice and desire to chase imaginary internet clout.

>I'm currently on a prescription for what is basically legal meth for my ADHD
So you're a drug-addled retard, good to know. Explains a lot.

>>96328975
>So you're a drug-addled retard, good to know. Explains a lot.
Do you think ritalin is like LSD or something?

>>96328862
Using demons to have children is the Exalted equivalent of importing one from sex traffickers, and the traffickers have access to your bank accounts and all of your government IDs (progenitive Essence & sympathetic links)

People using Neomah to have kids has been a thing since 1e. They literally suck at raising kids, so you're doing them a favor by using them as a surrogate. Dragonblooded have also slept with mortals since 1e, that's how you get more Dragonblooded. The stuff in the various shards are not canon to the main setting, they never have been that's why they are Shards.

>>96329085
This had never been true btw. As in - it's literally from The Dreams Of The First Age, which isn't canon to the main setting. That's just another shard that takes place in the first age instead of the normal exalted timeline.

>>96328975
>Sorcerers are viewed with suspicion and unease for their otherworldly power
Correct, but they are also an indispensable asset to the Realm.
>the Immaculate Faith would frown on using said eldritch powers for frivolous things like getting out of your duty to marry and sire children which is the cornerstone of the Realm's power
A cornerstone of the faith is that the Dragon-blooded have the authority to deal with spirits (which includes demons). Otherwise, Mnemon (who loves summoning demons) would not be among their favorites in the contest for the throne. Squandering the opportunity to have a Dragon-blooded child with your spouse because of infertility is also frowned upon.
>that's not to mention how angry that Dragon-Blooded's Great House would get that their bloodline husbandry is being thwarted and possibly tainted with demonic mojo
There is no mechanical representation for such a thing, and sorcery in Exalted 3e is mechanically potent enough that one might use a myriad of other ways to reproduce without sex. There is also the possibility of using good clean artifice to do so.

I don't know, this all feels like you're hand-wringing over the idea of a hypothetical gay Exalted fan having too much fun.
>>96329085
Sympathetic magic? Are you getting this setting confused with Mage the Awakening/Ascension? This is not a thing in 3e to my awareness and one could defeat any concerns of potential future sabotage by simply killing the demon afterwards.

>>96329326
>I don't know, this all feels like you're hand-wringing over the idea of a hypothetical gay Exalted fan having too much fun

A homophobe? In Exalted, the single gayest RPG that you could ever play? It's more likely then you think!

>>96329383
I think that other poster might genuinely be a Mormon or something to that effect, as he thinks that taking ADHD meds is like smoking sherm in addition to treating a small setting edit that a gay Exalted fan might like as the end of all Exalted as we know it.

>>96329403
>gay Exalted fan might like as the end of all Exalted as we know it.
Faggoth here, 3e sex and gender dynamics are really "creepy", even outside of the realm.

>>96329403
I think people have the dawning realization that the game they've been fascinated with for years and years is actually really, really gay. And that they like something that is really, really gay. Like objectively super gay. By association the people who know they play Exalted know they're playing something REALLY gay.

It's honestly hard to picture someone playing this game without being at least a little gay and some people are REALLY deep in the closet.

>>96329473
1e it was more "gay exist" and "lesbians are hot".

>>96329509
Sesbian Lex.

Talking about gods of Pegāna, the Spoken could also have been a reference to its "sequel" the time and the gods, in it Slid (the god of waters) tried to conquer the world.

>>96329793
This right here makes coming to these threads worth it.

>>96328740
You literally cannot move constallations without completely changing the theme.

>>96329525
Magically enforced Sesbian Lex. Enforced by the Mandate of Fate.

>>96329830
Thanks, is it because we seek how and why exalted was built?

>>96329969
They did when they changed the caste abilities.

>>96330201
It was poorly done. I think 3e handles it better but if you're going to move the abilities you might as well rewrite the sutra and constellation.

>>96330109
The Loom of Fate is Creation's reality engine. One fifth of the threads of fate used in it are woven by Venus, the walking embodiment of sex. One fifth of Creation's fate-planning and the designs of destiny were created in a literal whorehouse. A full score of the fivescore fellowship are the Joybringers, those people who were destined from birth to fuck and Chosen by the greatest cosmic whore of them all to become the champions of her design.

Literally one fifth of reality is built on sex.

>>96330420
>The Sayings of Limpang-Tung (The God of Mirth and of Melodious Minstrels)edit

>And Limpang-Tung said: “The ways of the gods are strange. The flower groweth up and the flower fadeth away. This may be very clever of the gods. Man groweth from his infancy, and in a while he dieth. This may be very clever too.

>“But the gods play with a strange scheme.

>“I will send jests into the world and a little mirth. And while Death seems to thee as far away as the purple rim of hills, or sorrow as far off as rain in the blue days of summer, then pray to Limpang-Tung. But when thou growest old, or ere thou diest pray not to Limpang-Tung, for thou becomest part of a scheme that he doth not understand.

>“Go out into the starry night, and Limpang-Tung will dance with thee who danced since the gods were young, the god of mirth and of melodious minstrels. Or offer up a jest to Limpang-Tung;onlypray not in thy sorrow to Limpang-Tung, for he saith of sorrow: ‘It may be very clever of the gods,’ but he doth not understand.”

>And Limpang-Tung said: “I am lesser than the gods; pray, therefore, to the small gods and not to Limpang-Tung.

>“Natheless between Pegāna and the Earth flutter ten thousand thousand prayers that beat their wings against the face of Death, and never for one of them hath the hand of the Striker been stayed, nor yet have tarried the feet of the Relentless One.

1/2

>>96330476
>“Utter thy prayer! It may accomplish where failed ten thousand thousand.

>“Limpang-Tung is lesser than the gods, and doth not understand.”

>And Limpang-Tung said: “Lest men grow weary down on the great Worlds through gazing always at a changeless sky I will paint my pictures in the sky. And I will paint them twice in every day for so long as days shall be. Once as the day ariseth out of the homes of dawn will I paint the Blue, that men may see and rejoice; and ere day falleth under into the night will I paint upon the Blue again, lest men be sad.”

>“It is a little,” said Limpang-Tung, “it is a little even for a god to give some pleasure to men upon the Worlds.” And Limpang-Tung hath sworn that the pictures that he paints shall never be the same for so long as the days shall be, and this he hath sworn by the oath of the gods of Pegāna that the gods may never break, laying his hand upon the shoulder of each of the gods and swearing by the light behind Their eyes.

>Limpang-Tung hath lured a melody out of the stream and stolen its anthem from the forest; for him the wind hath cried in lonely places and ocean sung its dirges.

2/3

>>96330479
>There is music for Limpang-Tung in the sounds of the moving of grass and in the voices of the people that lament or in the cry of them that rejoice.

>In an inner mountain land where none hath come he hath carved his organ pipes out of the mountains, and there when the winds, his servants, come in from all the world he maketh the melody of Limpang-Tung. But the song, arising at night, goeth forth like a river, winding through all the world, and here and there amid the peoples of earth one heareth, and straightaway all that hath voice to sing crieth aloud in music to his soul.

>Or sometimes walking through the dusk with steps unheard by men, in a form unseen by the people, Limpang-Tung goeth abroad, and, standing behind the minstrels in cities of song, waveth his hands above them to and fro, and the minstrels bend to their work, and the voice of the music ariseth; and mirth and melody abound in that city of song, and no one seeth Limpang-Tung as he standeth behind the minstrels.

>But through the mists towards morning, in the dark when the minstrels sleep and mirth and melody have sunk to rest, Limpang-Tung goeth back again to his mountain land.

3/3

They are more minstrels and jests than whores

>>96330483
>They are more minstrels and jests than whores
Suuuuuuuure. If you prefer fanon to canon, maybe. Picrel.

>>96330621
>Bluesids are whores vs blues have diverse backgrounds, including whores.
Is the first from 2e? The first looks more worn down so it is likely 1e.

>>96330712
The first is 2e, the second is 1e. Do note that half of the examples given in that 1e quote do still boil down to putting them in a whorehouse and this is reflected across the rest of the edition.

isn't it weird how in real life nobody in a position of power has ever been good at fighting or even physically fit and yet in exalted everyone always has 10+ dice pools on everything physical

>>96330775
>nobody in a position of power has ever been good at fighting
Burden of proof is on you. This is an assertion that's very difficult to cite reliable sources on and pretty easy to disprove, so I'd like to see you back it up.

>>96330865
you think donald trump could beat you in a fight?

>>96330775
Exalts can literally learn decades worth of knowledge in days. They are superhumans. Mortals without exalt training only have like a 3-5 dice pool unless their elites which give them 6-8. Only beings with supernatural power can pick up a sword and swing it well.

>>96331261
not sure how that's related to what i said

>>96331275
In exalted, most people in a position of power are superhuman demigods. The ones that aren't have shitty stats. That's the reason.

>>96331286
think you're replying to the wrong guy bud

>>96330895
We need to ask the important questions here:

1. What are rating his Hardness/Soak levels as?
2. Does he get to bring a hammer?

>>96330712
>>96330751
Iron Siaka is a fun example of a Bluesid and I will always stand by that.

>>96329473
Yeah what >>96329509 said. It's hard not to be aware Exalted is gay when Ma-Ha-Suchi is...Ma-Ha-Suchi. It's less that I'm offended by THE GAYS in Exalted and more that I'm offended by the "HR is in the room, making sure everyone respects trigger warnings" shift in tone around them instead of just letting be hot, horny and high on crack/divine power all the time.

>>96327556
>I'm just trying to figure out a way to make taking up MA less of an experience dump by adding early benefits to make the four-point merit worth it.
To be honest I don't think there is one. After 3 editions I've come to believe MAs being simultaneously limited to "fight stuff" applications that require investment like all charmlines inevitably cripples their competitiveness next to native Exalt charms. Like MAs can work if you really want to be that one guy who knows Cobra Style or whatever, or if you really want THAT broken SMA every edition made by powergamers for powergamers. Or if you're running a meme Obsidian Shards of Infinity build. Or if you've decided you want to play a different game and have therefore set out to confuse everyone at the table with Border of Kaleidoscopic Logic.

>>96327087
>2e went harder with the least gods being responsible for their domains
One of many things I like about 2e.

>>96326491
>>96326464
...technically Sache could've been defeated in battle, THEN created the Getimians, then collapsed into torpor from the effort right? I'm standing by the "if they didn't explicitly retcon it, it's still canon" interpretation. Mainly because 1. it's disappointing to see them NuWars all the old lore thoughtlessly and 2. it's hilarious to see them turn Nysela into the Sun's daughter with that idea in mind.

>>96326508
>most of the things
Defend them, because the way I've seen them presented in 3e has been pretty damn retarded.
>They have literally always been asleep and awake
Not the distinction I'm making. They've been awake enough to negotiate with the Yozis and punish the Deathlords, instead 3e claiming they are completely impotent to the extent that the creation of the Abyssal Exalted isn't even their will.

>>96331351
Prismatic Arrangement of Creation is a perfectly fine Martial Art. It doesn't need nerfs.

>>96326621
>. Or are you saying that the Neverborn don't give any orders anymore and just leave it all up to the Deathlords?
Not the anon you were replying to, but this is precisely the criticism I am levelling at 3e. Well, 3/4s of it. The devs WANT this to be the case...but they're also leery of writing a cohesive setting so they also let the Lion get punished the same way. I am not so much arguing the Neverborn's agency is a sacred cow as I am saying I wish they had either kept the Neverborn as actively scheming as they were in 1e/2e for the death of all reality, or made a clean break and emphasised Deathlord agency without the Neverborn as anything except a particularly ominous environmental feature. Instead of the awkward half-measures currently in place.

>>96331359
I mean. To be honest. I am kinda of two minds about Prismatic Arrangement of Creation. On the one hand there are Charms I see as fine. On the other hand, there are Charms like Charm Redirection Technique and Soul Fire Shaper Form that scream to me whoever wrote it was trying very hard to metagame.

Definitely a very fun style either way, though. It's just that I also feel that despite the memes, the Obsidian Shards capstone Charm is unironically less bullshit than some of Prismatic Creation's. Ultimately, it's just a really cool Shaping effect after all.

>>96331371
I think charm redirection technique and sequential charm disruption are way too cheap for what they do. Soul fire shaper form just makes it worse. I think it's the biggest problem.

>>96331371
I've noticed that whenever a new mechanic is involved or someone tries something "new" with charm design that the word metagaming comes up a lot. How would a charm be designed so it has new effects that ISN'T metagaming? Something like Shinmaic Calibration is clearly metagamey and an example of something that shouldn't exist in Exalted, but SMA charms feel "right" even though they're both just about as broken.

Basically, how do you keep charms fresh and interesting instead of just boring numbers wank or the equivalent of just asking your ST if it works the way you want?

>>96328975
It's not using sorcery to get out of your duty to procreate, though, it's using sorcery to do that duty. At the very least summoning demons to help with having children should be considered preferable to infertility or other reasons to not have children at all.

>So you're a drug-addled retard, good to know. Explains a lot.
Medicine's not the same as recreational drugs, and someone with ADHD is atypical-brain-functioning-addled when not on medication and significantly less addled when on appropriate meds.

>>96329085
Also those traffickers are magically bound slaves who'll follow both the letter and the spirit of your commands without secretly plotting anything against you.

>>96330895
Probably not. What about Genghis Khan in his prime? Young Alexander the Great? One of those Crisis of the Third Century era Roman soldier-generals who started from humble beginnings and advanced through military service until they reached a position where they could pull off a military coup?

>>96331506
Honestly, I don't have a good answer to that question. I do find Prismatic Arrangement of Creation very fun, it's just that when people point out it seems to be engaging with the game in ways other abilities don't I find it hard-pressed to counterargue.

I think part of the issue is that while other Charms get assloads of keywords like Shaping or Sorcerous that can be manually deactivated, PAoC...doesn't. Pretty much everything is just "if it hits and he doesn't PD, it works no ifs or buts" which can feel somewhat dishonest compared to say-the ability to curse someone with Crippling or disease based effects being more selectively negatable. Worse, by RAW it's more noticeable Charms interact directly with Charms rather than effects.

Just for emphasis, it's not to a level where I personally feel strongly enough about it to definitely argue it went too far, I'm just trying to explain the point of view I've heard about the charms over the years.

>>96331376
That is also a bit crazy yeah, especially when compared to Solar Charms of comparable cost in the corebook.

>>96330895

>ever been good

consider history and countries that aren't modern america

maybe they won't be 10 dice pool dedicated giga fighters, but heaps of leaders have been competent fighters, and in many cultures military training is mandatory for all men

plenty of african warlords in the modern world too. military service is mandatory for both north and south korean men

>>96331597
>Also those traffickers are magically bound slaves who'll follow both the letter and the spirit of your commands without secretly plotting anything against you.
Nta, aren't demons like Mara and Makarios supposed to be plotting and seductive? It's not necessarily the bound demons that the Realm's LGBT community should be concerned about, but the greater demons of Malfeas concocting some sort of insidious plan to corrupt Creation like how Mara canonically gave Brigid sorcery in the first place as a scheme.

>>96331609
>Mara
Yes, dealing with Mara is bad news.

>Makarios
No, Makarios is an honest merchant. I don't remember if his 3E writeup changed something, but at least in the previous editions it was made clear that he was mostly just interested in his business and that he wasn't looking to scam the people he did business with.

Neither Mara nor Makarios are going to be summoned by the Realm's First Circle Sorcerers looking to help someone to have children, though. Neomah aren't particularly given to dark plots, and I don't know how, exactly, would someone like Mara interfere with neomah-summoning to cause havoc.

>>96331635
I'm pretty sure Neomah WANT to have kids, they just hate taking care of them. They're supposed to make babies the same way cats are meant to hunt birds - it's just their nature.

I'm sure there is the rare Neomah that wants to take care of their kid but it'd be super rare. It's weird to say but you're really doing them a favor by knocking them up.

>>96331693
They don't really get knocked up, they weave flesh and create children that way. Creating new life seems more like an artistic project than anything else to them. But sure, neomah are basically doing what they want to do when summoned to help with procreation. There was once a situation in a game I ran where a player actually failed to bind a summoned neomah - it was a fully Excellency-enhanced roll by a dedicated sorceress with 5s in the relevant traits, it was just a really unlucky roll - and the end result was just that the PC had a civil negotiation with the neomah and offered fair price for her services.

>>96331761
i may have allowed my fetishes to blind me. It being an artistic expression instead of a pregnancy fetish does sound far more correct.

>>96331635
In hindsight using Makarios as an example was a bad idea. His 3e writeup in Hundred Devils Night Parade does emphasise his desire for human souls more (“His foremost desire is to spread his sigil across Creation, binding mortal dreams to him”, also an explicit defining intimacy for expanding their ranks) but even as an avowed 3e hater I can’t say they changed him meaningfully in terms of personality (his new art on the other hand, makes me want to vomit) since he still deals fairly where possible. I should’ve used another nasty tempter demon, but I forgot how many dealings Iyutha has with Creation.

And my point was less that 1CDs themselves tend to come up with dark plots unless that’s intrinsically a part of their nature, and more that the Yozis and their higher souls sometimes spread plots ranging from “corrupt key parts of Creation’s infrastructure, nominally to fulfil the vengeance of the Yozis” to “build me a cult here because I’m awesome and everyone deserves to know it”, and that while the rules are vague they CAN do certain workings to 1CDs to ensure their progression (The Yozis at least can possess 1CDs, in 2e). I acknowledge it’s…vague how much information any given Dragonblooded has on the demonic hierarchy as a whole, but I would argue given the Empress had personal contact with Chejop Kejak himself that it would be more likely than not for the Sidereals to advise her to be cautious about demonic dealings from an in-universe perspective rather than the default out of universe one where the writers want you to forget about Yozi demonic invasions.

>>96330775
Roman senators had to fight wars, and Alexander the Great was conquering the world by his 20~30s

>>96332590
>>96331608
that's all just propaganda

we know what people in power really look like

>>96332607
Indeed, it really is funny how all time periods and cultures have always been exactly like 21st century America.

>>96332607
Yes, it it propaganda like when 3 senators were killed in that one disastrous battle

>>96332615
>>96332671
nothing more dimwitted than fellating muh rome

>>96332615
It is a weird phenomenon, at times, it feels like exalted's writers and fans hate everything that they claim that they love.

It is like they were only using them for social clout, and dropping at moments notice when the "beloved thig" stops being fashionable.

>>96332758
what the fuck are you talking about

>>96332774
>Exalted is based in Rome and 3 kingdoms China.
>But not really since it is icky and gross.
>To think otherwise is bad, 2e, wrong and ruining the setting!!!

>>96332734
Yes, mentioning dead senators after a failed battle sure is fellating Rome. Do you ever think before you type, and did you already forget the reason Roman senators also being soldiers were brought up?

>>96332783
did you have an entire conversation in your own head and post a random excerpt of it here?

>>96332783
It is getting really tiresome how some anons here can't help but try to yurn every discussion into bashing 3E. This one was about an anon making a dumb claim.

>>96332787
See >>96332734
Saying Rome senators were killed in disastrous battles is bad now.

>>96332805
and it has nothing to do with what you posted

>>96332798
The "2e" was more because of its antis, they claim that stuff that existed since 1e and 1e's sources of inspiration, ruined exalted forever.

>>96332787
I think >>96325722 might've been onto something.

>>96332805
I hope this won't restart the shitshow about reading comprehension that happened earlier ITT, but read the entire discussion and consider the context of it.

>>96332813
It does.

See
>>96332734
>dimwitted than fellating muh rome

"Exalted is based on ancient Rome, but not the real one, but the one devs/fans made in their head, to think otherwise you are dimwitted dumbass".

>>96332845
you need to take a step back from the computer and don't return until you stop hearing the voices

>>96332845
Nobody's mentioned devs, dev views on history aren't relevant to this discussion, and this discussion isn't about the ways Exalted draws or doesn't draw inspiration from history, either.

>>96332853
It is because the devs were fans themselves, and they also do this.
For example, in Crucible of Legends, they called the middle ages "bronze age".

>>96332862
Please, anon, take the advice here >>96332827. Your posts are completely disconnected from anything said in the posts you reply to.

>>96332907
>Why are exalted leaders fighters? Leaders don't fight!!
>Exated is based on pre modern leaders, they weren't giga Chads but they fought and were killed in wars.
>you are falling on propaganda, we know how they actually are!! Stop posting your dimwitted opinions!!!
>This is a strange phenomenon, the devs/writers say that they love/based on X but they seem to hate actual X.
>you are a schizo!!!

>>96330895
I'm pretty sure he's not the most recent, but I remember Otto von Bismarck was supposed to be a very good duelist and that's not ancient history.

Just ignore the schizo. Recursive filtering will silence him and everyone who replies to him.

>>96332172
At three different editions we have the problem of personality drift. Where a character changes in their personality, motivation, reasons and methods each time they are seen. There's also people's indepdenent interpreations which skew that even further.

Hey, anons.
I remember once seeing an image posted on one of these threads that was like... a group of blood apes in tactical gear, with night vision goggles and shit, screaming as they go about their violent business.
I want to show someone that image but I can't find it online, does any anon here happen to have it saved or know where to find it?

>>96332783
Ah so you're a retard and making shit up. Just a heads up - just because they removed the stuff you liked to use to make new players leave the game doesn't mean the game is worse. Look at shintais. Yes, we know you're mad and scared that they changed the name of them. That's what happens to autistic people when they experience things changing.

DnD has the exact same fans who would freak out and cry over every little change as well, and you know what? I'm glad this edition outed the weirdos. Good way to know who not to play with.

>>96333038
We had the king of Chad die in battle like two years ago

>>96333612
Was the pic in black and white?

I'm pretty sure being a leader and being on the battlefield would mean that you are, in fact, a really shitty leader. Seeing as how politicians don't have PD's. What kind of ruler puts themselves at that kind of risk?

I guess I can see a general being out on the field of battle but I question why and I'm pretty sure that's pure fantasy. You can't give orders if your dead. We really need to not confuse reality with fantasy - but some posters here think magic is real so it's hard to have a rational conversation.

I can't help but notice how the quality of leadership throughout the ages has declined in tandem with the expectation that a leader figure would have to face battle personally sooner or later.

>>96334195
I'm not sure what this post means.

>>96333612
I can't find it, AI pics are make the search harder, but I found this one.

>>96334195
It is the lack of accountability, when that ceo was killed, the health insurance agencies walked back a bit in their "fuck the populace" metas.

>>96334226
It's okay, here's some crayons to play with while the rest of us talk. Try not to swallow them please.

>>96334297
Why are you posting a bunch of retarded shit while thinking you're making some kind of point? I just wanted to know what your post meant. It seems like you're saying modern leaders are bad but ancient leaders are good and no one can be that stupid.

Same clarity on what you meant would be nice.

>>96334334
No. There's no clarification needed because he can go to fucking /his/ if he wants to talk about real world leaders this is about fucking exalted.

>>96334365
FINE WHATEVER GOD DAMN

>>96334334
>Why are you posting a bunch of retarded shit while thinking you're making some kind of point?
Baby throwing tantrum because baby not smart enough to understand very simple point made in one succinct sentence.

>I just wanted to know what your post meant.
All you have to do to achieve that is spend a few seconds thinking (might have to stop blinking and hold your breath while you're at it or the strain of multitasking might kill you) and ponder over the meaning of the extremely simple observation I just made. Moot point anyway because another anon already explained it.

>It seems like you're saying modern leaders are bad but ancient leaders are good and no one can be that stupid.
Because we've been doing so well under our modern leaders.

>>96334365
This is a pathetic cope because Exalted draws liberally from IRL world history.

>>96334404
Jesus Christ.

What degree of incest is acceptable in the Realm? Wouldn't a marriage between half siblings cause a fuzz?

>>96334535
>halloweenchiptune.ogg

>>96334170
Yeah, I think so. If it had color it was all like, one dark blue or something.

>>96334260
Metal. But definitely not the one I was thinking of.
Man, image search sucks these days.

>>96334172
In modern say, sure. Back in the day, though, maintaining any kind of control over an army without modern communications technology would've required being right there, and relinquishing control of an army to someone else could've meant a threat to your own power. Roman armies in the Republican period were commanded by consuls, praetors, proconsuls or prooraetors, and armies of Hellenistic kingdoms succeeding Alexander were led directly by the kings.

>>96334535
I don't think there's anything indicating the Realm's tolerant of incest. I'd imagine cousins or at least second cousins to be acceptable but half siblings to be off limits.

>>96334772
This was also the age of bows and arrows, where a general didn't have to worry about being sniped from over two miles away. How this translates into Exalted I have no idea. It's easy to point out that things happened but explaining why they happened is pretty hard.

In history class they talked about this change, where generals started to become targets because weapons now have the range to hit them. How it used to be that you'd try to stand out if your a general but doing that now suddenly just made you an even bigger target for them to aim at. I feel like this was around the time of the civil war but I don't know enough to say for sure.

None of this really translates well into Exalted when the king of a place is a literal walking nuke that can kill hundreds of people and not using them to do that is a huge handicap. I guess - maybe you could think of something interesting with that. It's just in Exalted the king is also a weapon.

Has anyone played a sniper in Exalted? What edition did you play them in and what was your max range? I hear some builds for long range can be pretty insane so I'd love to see what's been thought up. What about Scry and Die tactics?

>>96334886
There was a case of a king killed by his own cannon.

>James IIof Scotland was killed by an exploding cannon during the siege of Roxburgh Castle in 1460. The king, known for his enthusiasm for artillery, was struck by a fragment of a misfiring cannon.The incident occurred while he was overseeing the siege, one of the last Scottish castles held by the English.

>>96334535
Given how they did as much as they could to tone down the eugenics angle, I doubt they would let Egyptian levels of incest to be a viable thing.

>>96334172
>What kind of ruler puts themselves at that kind of risk?
The ones who genuinely believe that's the best place they could be at the moment. Given the expectations of a king in the Bronze Age not leading a battle would be seen as a sign of weakness in most cases.

Wasn´t that quite common up until the very modern era with the advent of trench warfare? The very last king I can remember doing that was the king of belgium during wwI. His mere prsence on the battlefield was also a massive morale booster.

>>96334260
>It is the lack of accountability
This one sentence can answer so many questions about modern times.

>>96335380
Yes. Anons who think that a leader being on the battlefield is ludicrous have absolutely no knowledge of history.

>>96335408
True. Even one of Alexanders many victories was based on the persian king fleeing and abandoning the battlefield. Hell, one could even make a case for as late as wwII with the british royal family not abandoning london during the blitz?

>>96335408
No, people are just aware of why stuff like that stopped happening. It's easy to say what happened historically, it's a lot harder to say why it happened that way. And to be honest, I don't think you know why it stopped being a thing or what the generals were even there for.

>>96334966
It's amazing just how much war changes. It used to be smart for generals to stand out as much as possible, until, you know, we could hit them from two miles away. I mean it's vastly more complex then that but still. The invention of radio also helped keep generals and stuff at a safe distance. If staying at a distance was even possible.

A lot of this stuff makes sense in the context of the times they happened - tl:dr go to college.

>>96335467
I mean, the most modern example would be Ukraine with their president not leaving the country even though they're being bombed and invaded. If we use your example.

I thought we were talking about kings fighting on the field of battle like the Exalted do.

>>96335547
Talking about Ukraine, a lot of Russian generals were killed in it, some even on the front lines.
It happened mainly because of how rigid Russian structure is.

>>96335568
I want to ask how but we really should keep it on topic. Really want to ask how a rigid power structure can get your generals killed. I'm not going to ask however because that's off topic for Exalted. I really do want to ask though.

still wondering how a sniper would work in Exalted.

>>96335590
Quit being a fucking pussy and just ask.

>>96335509
What an incredibly stupid post. Yes, a lot of things make sense in the context of the times they happened, and Creation is a lot more similar to the times when kings went to war than to the times when leaders no longer did that. Yes, leaders did stop going to war, but since they did use to go to war, the idea of leaders going to war is obviously not ludicrous and people who think otherwise are obviously historically illiterate. Do you ever fucking think before you post, anon?

>>96335652
I'm glad you understand that leaders and generals did what they did for very specific reasons. As opposed to any inherent superiority. If you want to learn more then I suggesting going to school, there is a lot for you to learn.

>>96335590
They don't have non-commicioned officers like in the US, theirs are used to maintain discipline.

Russia structure is really top-down with soldiers without any ability of making any tactical decisions, basically a turn-based pyramid.

If a Sargeant says that a captain must put his troops in a locale, the captain must do it, there is confirmation of generals giving squad level order from deep inside Russia proper.

>>96335703
I...what? No one has suggested any inherent superiority of IRL leaders ITT. There has been a bizarre abundance of people arguing against claims no one has made here today. The statement that started this particular debate was that no one in position of power has ever been good of fighting or even fit, and all the mentions of warrior kings and Roman generals and such have been just to point out that plenty of people in power throughout history have been familiar with fighting and pretty fit. Are you feeling okay, anon? Don't you think it might be a good idea to work on getting a working understanding of English, enough to follow a simple discussion about RPGs, before telling other people to go to school?

What would be some interesting cosmetic traits for Wyld Barbarians?

>>96335757
That's a lot of words Anon, do you need help? You seem confused.

>>96335777
...Weapons for limbs. When a baby is born they are born with a limb replaced with a weapon that's soft and mushy. When they're older it hardens into something tougher then steel. The types of weapons vary, ranged weapons being practically unheard of among them.

>>96335848
Would it be more interesting for each limb to correspond to a specific weapon or for it to be truly random?

>>96335921
Depends on how deep they live in the wyld I´d say. Just on the borders? Corresponding weapons for arms.Farther in? As random as the wyld itself

>>96335921
Oof, that's a tough one. On one hand, you need someone with a sword for a leg. On the other hand, a hammer for a leg would be basically useless. Maybe the culture focuses on how effective the weapon is?

Some would be basically cripples, the weapon they were born with being basically useless because how tf can you use a hammer leg. Others would have a sword for an arm, highly effective, self sharpening and can cut steel. These could be the desirables? Kids are being born with weapons that are more akin to flexible weaponry now however, like whips and bows and they are not used to the sudden change.

They don't make their own ammo, which is another reason people born with say an arm that's a crossbow are shunned even if they're useful. Maybe it's hard to get wood where they're from? Can a head be replaced by a weapon? Weapon Heads would be solders(maybe priests), they literally have no brains but are still mostly human. They are the most 'alien' of the mutants but are also very protective of their weapon brothers. Uh.... I don't know. Just some ideas.

>>96335939
Daggers for the right hand, clubs for legs, whip for the left hand, what would be a good symbolic weapon for the face?

>>96335967
>>96335939
A part of me is imagining a silvery tattoo that concentrates the Wyld on a single body part.

>>96336001
According to 1e, you only need scarring to keep the wyld at bay.

>>96336001
Ok so... By sacrificing a limb they turn the Wyld into a weapon to be used against itself. At a young age(birth?) their limb is marked with a tattoo, the limb chosen depending on a variety of factors.

The right hand is marked at the wrist - the design of which leads to it shifting into a dagger. This isn’t painless but neither is it painful. It’s akin to growing pains, if growing pains made a part of your body functional only for killing. The dagger is sharper than steel and can damage fae almost as well as cold iron.

The legs, both of them right below(above?) the knees are marked. These turn into ‘hammers’. These people are sturdy, shockingly well balanced and their massive legs never grow tired. It is said that their footsteps lead them to battle - but this may only be figurative. They may walk in their sleep, albeit slowly.

The left arm is marked above the elbow, it grows over time to become a whip. This is the most common of all mutations for members of the tribe who don’t enter battle and is seen as a sign of pacificity. It is surprisingly agile, typically reaching a length of around ten feet and can be controlled much like a squid controls one of its tentacles. The Tribe has mixed feelings on this being chosen - it’s the least suited for war but also the most “limb-like” of all the possible choices.

Then there are the weapon heads - marked at the neck. Rare, chosen by a few. These are the most unique, each tattoo designed personally and with the utmost care. They do not sleep and are born with knowledge of war. A steel blade, a massive ax, a spear that points to the sky, they are the kings of their weapon. It is said a weapon head can not be harmed by the weapon they represent and that doing so would bring great harm to those fool enough to try. Or maybe they’re just really good with their chosen weapon.

Too much wyld exposure can.... something. You need to be in the wyld for them to grow however.

>>96336329
Every moon of Wyld Exposure gives the barbarian a Roll to upgrade their weapons, if they bitch it leads to a years of progress gone if not outright death.

>>96335848
Wyld mutations aren't heritable

>>96336779
They are, wyld mutants even cull the ones who are born without the right mutations.
I think it was even a merit in 1e.

>>96319038
>It depends on what do you want out of them and if that works with the rest of the group/game
Please elaborate on that.

>>96319061
Could you please explain more on this?

>>96336886
1e Lunars were a splat built around a single charm (deathly beastman transformation), even Holden admitted it during his times as a fan.

For N reasons, 2e!Lunars were mechanically screwed, outside of certain builds.

3e devs forgot why they nerfed the Eclipse charmshare, and allowed Lunars to mix MAs with their native charms; it was so strong to the point that the devs had to create mechanics like the versatile key word, to make sure Sidereals power crept Lunars.

In essence, the casteless is among the best caste in the game, making inked Lunars a straight downgrade.

>>96337030
>In essence, the casteless is among the best caste in the game, making inked Lunars a straight downgrade.
How would one go about fixing this ass-backwards paradigm?

is this that xianxia stuff I hear about

>>96337267
Nah, it's a western fantasy based in the same kind of eastern lore and aesthetics xianxia grew from. It has some similar themes and tropes in some places but very different ones in others, and if you go in expecting it to be xianxia-like you're very much going to get a jarring experience unless your Storyteller is playing the bit and pretty much going full AU.

>>96337030
Out of all the Lunar the castless are my favorite. I don't really care for tattoos and mutations are just really neat.

>>96337267
It's much closer to wuxia than xianxia, and the parts of it most resembling xianxia are...controversial. I say this as someone who enjoys them, but the writers really want to ignore those as much as possible these days.

>>96337355
I feel the same way about Dragonblooded outcastes as a social background, 3e just further sold me on them by making sexism inherent to the Realm.

>>96333390
Eh, like I said for those demons in particular I don't think it's that bad. Going back to my second paragraph though I do think demons having ambitious designs for Creation as well as subtle ways of influencing it (in part through their lessers) has been a thing in every edition. Even in 1e the Sidereals considered Yozi escape a potential existential threat.

>>96332798
Maybe 3efags shouldn't have tried to gaslight anons into thinking it's a good to lose everything they enjoyed from previous editions, just saying. Maybe it's time to admit an edition that has gone on releasing one mediocre (at best) book a year has problems.

Fuck you. 3e deserves to fail and while that's not happening, I sincerely hope contributing to it's kickstarters has set back the biggest doners' financial positions in life.

>>96338092
1E and 2E are still right there for anyone who prefers playing them. Disagreeing about whether 3E is good or not isn't gaslighting, it's just disagreement, and at either rate /exg/'s not exactly dominated by pro-3E sentiments. Most people who like 3E, or at least most people who like 3E around here, freely admit that it has flaws. Beyond all that, though, no matter how mad you're about 3E, randomly interjecting to tell everyone how mad you're about 3E even when it doesn't have any relevance to the discussion is dumb as fuck.

>>96338205
The whole.

>2e ruined the lore!! 3e is returning it to its 1e roots.
>Actually it is from 1e.
>It doesn't count, since latter 1e books are basically 2e, only core and scavenge sons are true 1e!!
>It was written in SS...
>if it wasn't in the 1e core, it is fanfic.
>It was mentioned in the core and making of exalted.
>When I say that 3e is a return to 1e, I meant that it is a pure distillation of the concept, that even 1e didn't do!!!

Poisoned the well of 3e discussion.

>>96339232
The ink monkey bitching about certain points that where added before 3e like the daystar space ship after they where hired didn´t help matters

>>96339232
>2e ruined the lore!
The thing is that they're right that the lore was ruined in 2e. The problem is that it's rare for them to distinguish exactly what the fucking problem was, which was the Ink Monkeys, who were exactly the same people they hired to make 3e. They complain about the late-production shittification of 2e and then decide that the solution is an entire edition shittified from the ground up.

>>96339726
>>96339255
Ink monkey's makes me so incensed. Especially the sun mythology bullshit. Like what is the point?

>>96334535
Blood related uncle and niece is not taboo, judging by how Raenyah and Oban's relationship isn't scandalous
>>96329969
>replying to a post showing that has happened multiple times in official editions
hmmmmm

>>96339813
It is hard to explain, but they tried to Schuster/Morrison-fy the sun.

His creator gave Superman a pet and a club of childhood friends, but in a super way with Krypto and the Legion of superheroes.
Morrison did the same in his superman writing, "your nagging relatives come to visit, but they are from across time and space, and brought a doomsday with them".

Ink monkeys did it with the mythological concept of the sun's chariot/barge, turning it in a transforming mecha.

>>96339872
Get what they tried to do. I don't get why they thought it'd work in exalted.

>>96339817
>>replying to a post showing that has happened multiple times in official editions
In 2e, the change was really bad and out of place but it didn't matter because the entire charmset was fucked since they did a direct transfer. In 3e, they altered integrity to fit the sword and while it was a good attempt it wasn't the best. If you are going to move around abilities you need to really alter the constellation and consider how differently the maidens consider the abilities from each other. Problem is the constellations are sacred cows and the devs probably realize they don't have the ability to hack it like moran did.

>>96339902
I thought Holden was an ink monkey? He was the one that whined about it, from what I saw.

>>96317731 (OP)
>mfw fucking EXALTED gets regular generals, but L5R couldn't keep at it

>>96340197
kami are cruel, anon

>>96339961
Half of the daystar shit was his. Most of the worst shit is when the current devs and former devs were being cringe. It just took them years to realize and get embarrassed about it before denouncing it as "2e." which like I don't like 2e but come on own up to your garbage writing.

>>96340197
What would Raziel be in Exalted? Daybreak Abyssal using Resplendant Shadow Blade to model the Soul Reaver?

>>96340197
we simply bother to keep making them anon
for a while I was the only threadmaker
then someone new came along
and another
one dropped off
we kept posting
you could do the same

>>96340276
Honestly, I liked the daystar. Found some other writing to be stupid though.

>>96340197
There where at the end one or two threadmakers and up to 10 posters max. We tried a revival a dozen or so times, but it simply fell off harder each and every time. It wasn´t even the glacial release shedule, covid or other stuff. Interest here simply fell off. You´re probably gonna hate it, but the most interest you´d be getting for l5r is on discord.

>>96340197
Because no one really gives a shit about L5R in a way that allows people to discuss it forever?
Sure Exalted is bad but it has enough good points to keep people around.

>>96339902
>Get what they tried to do. I don't get why they thought it'd work in exalted.
Trope based writing + 2e meta narrative of being xtreme.

They saw the mythology sun vehicles, than made it xtreme to fit in their vision of 2e.

>>96339726
It is like infinite crisis over DC comics.

Where dc's writers wrote an edgy story, complaining about how edgy dc's universe became, after IC's own writers turned it edgy.

>>96340276
>which like I don't like 2e but come on own up to your garbage writing.
They never do it, to this day they never owned 1e Lunars, and to this day they are still trying to make 1e Lunars work.

>>96340558
I don't think anyone currently writing for Exalted was involved eith 1E Lunars. Who should own up to that garbage writing, exactly?

>>96340484
To be fair, these last few threads have made it to bump due to that one schizo that keeps talking to himself about nonsense. I know he's still here because my filters are still culling his repliers.

What the hells is l5R anyway and why would someone play it over Exalted?

>>96341567
>What the hells is l5R anyway and why would someone play it over Exalted?
I have almost no idea.

>>96341567
>What the hells is l5R anyway and why would someone play it over Exalted?
Legend of Five Rings, a samurai-themed fantasy game taking place in not!Japan. I don't know why anon brought it up here, as it's not really all that similar to Exalted, obviously aside from weeb influences in both games.

>>96339813
People really like robots and magitech, so turning the sun into a magitech thing was cool for them. 2e got really obsessed with magitech - just look at the autobots. If they went to Creation they'd be able to 'take over' because of how powerful and cool and better with technology they are.

A lot of things make sense when you think about the person making them. It's why the sun did all of Hercules labors - the person who wrote it just likes Hercules.

>>96341567
imagine bragging about blocking posts on 4chan and thinking that doesn't prove you're an autistic git. Imagine losing an argument that badly. god damn.

>>96340363
Abyssal, easy. I think you'd need some custom charms to copy the elemental theme he has going on with his swords but Abyssals should have the whole "Ghost sword, soul eating sword" charms already.

Can't see what he's saying. Is he still seething over the fact he can't force people to swim through the verbal shit he spews?

>>96340747
Yes, but they are still trying to make it work, for an infamous example; 3e devs still making Raksi a deranged baby eater.

I'm going to take that as a yes. Fucker's so mad that there is even one lone person out in the world who doesn't have to expose themselves to his schizophrenic rants with the voices only he can see.

>>96335820
perhaps you should learn to read, in some form of school.

Man, that guy's broken down so much he can't even respond to people any more.

>>96342209
Abyssals in 3e don't even need much custom stuff, pyreflame is a thing in their Charm set as-is.

>>96342361
The one example of that they gave had another Lunar stand up to her. She made said Lunar adopt the baby.

>>96340276
It fits in too well with the style of earlier 2e to not see the entirety as a less good version of 1e that was sometimes mechanically polished and sometimes giving mechanics over to people who either weren't good at them (Scroll of the Monk, Dreams of the First Age) or didn't care.(Dragon-Blooded, a lot of Sidereals and Fair Folk). Even some more mechanically grounded stuff had astoundingly bad society ideas for Exalted based on the opinions of old hands at V:tM who wanted everyone to be as terrible as a Sabbat elder (Lunars), and Neph went off his meds to write Abyssals, which had... consequences that needed some cleaning up after.

>>96342854
I'm gonna check the wiki to see what all the possible enhancements are. Straight form the wiki we got...

Spectral Reaver (default Spectral Realm manifestation)
Material Reaver (default Material Realm manifestation)
Light Reaver (blinds enemies, operates crystal oriented devices)
Dark Reaver (makes Raziel invisible, can create matter from darkness)
Fire Reaver (burns enemies)
Air Reaver (launches shockwave)
Water Reaver (can turn water into ice and vice-versa)
Earth Reaver (grants Raziel control over his own weight, used to create earth bridges)
Spirit Reaver (the only Reaver attuned to the Balance element, can also manifest in the spectral realm)

Fire and spirit seem taken care of already, what with ghost-cutting and pyreflame. You also, you know, don't need it to be a 1 to 1 copy but the closer you get the better, imo at least. The physical Soul Reaver would be a lot harder to do I think, because what the fuck would a time, space, or balance enchantment even be in Exalted

>>96342854
>Even some more mechanically grounded stuff had astoundingly bad society ideas for Exalted based on the opinions of old hands at V:tM who wanted everyone to be as terrible as a Sabbat elder (Lunars), and Neph went off his meds to write Abyssals, which had... consequences that needed some cleaning up after.
Those are from 1e, Lunars book had a mention or allusion of rape every other passage.
And Raksi's write up alone, caused a major shitstorm a few threads ago.

I love the deranged schizophrenia of 3e lore when it clashes with established 2e and 1e lore

>Exaltations are no longer laser-guided missles of power but some weird shit we won't explain
>except all the times the setting needs them to be because otherwise Abyssals and Infernals and the Jade Prison don't make any fucking sense if exaltations aren't physical things that can be captured. OOPS!

If you bring this up in the fancord they get real fucking mad for no reason.

>>96343055
>If you bring this up in the fancord they get real fucking mad for no reason.
Post screencaps.

>>96343055
Prefer it like that. Let the GM decide how much damage a Neverborn's phylactery needs before it cracks, don't stat it in the splat or you'll derail every gods-be-damned discussion with
>actually, canonically, read it as it was written
Let the magical be magical and become real when you yourself encounter it.

>>96343047
>Those are from 1e

No, unfortunately for you, they are not.

>>96343055
I guess some writing habits get hard to break.

>>96343131
>No, unfortunately for you, they are not
Yes, they are specially Lunars, who regularly commit mass murder to communicate

>>96343293
This is the Lunar equivalent of a discord ping.

>>96343544
It would be the bones of their enemies you'd think, as opposed to animals. Although dead animal totems also feels lunary so... maybe.
>>96343131
I'm pretty sure Raksi is a 1e character and she's been a baby eating badass since inception. I'm not sure about all her other character traits. Tbh i don't even know where the fuck i'd go to download all the 1e books. I had them at one point but no longer. I remember the scans being extra fucked lol. I could be wrong however!

>>96343544
Ma-Ha-Suchi killed hundreds for his call.

>>96343574
He kills hundred to redecorate his manses, it is not that big of a deal.

What's the shittiest piece of media you have used as inspiration for your games? I have copied and pasted some isekai characters as god blooded for a game next week and I'm not sure if that would be a bad thing in the medium-long term.

>>96343055
... Maybe I'm missing something but what were they trying to do with the lore changes to the Exaltations?

>>96343617
Some old kongregate/Newgrounds animations and games.

>>96343666
I think this is the point, to be "numinous", but it ends more convoluted and confusing.

>>96343683
>Some old kongregate/Newgrounds animations and games.
Such as?

>>96343683
I get that people really wanted some mysteries but the execution doesn't really make sense unless they change the stuff chained to it, what's the point of trying to create an information gap if there still is only one viable explanation?

I wonder what all the canon examples of an Exaltation being locked up their are. I know of the Jade Prison and Monstrous from Abyssals. It was a huge plothole in 2e, the whole "If they could just lock them up, why don't they?" Pretty sure it boiled down to locking up Exalts being hard to do, even if it's technically possible.

>>96343765
forgot to add, that and the fact that if the exalted were locked away then you'd have no setting. Sorta like in lotr why they don't just fly the ring to Mordor on the eagles or have Eru just teleport Frodo to Mount Doom. They have the power to, but you have no story if you do.

>>96343765
>>96343773
Anon... Sidereals literally locked up the Solar exaltations, it is not a plot hole, they being stolen was 1 half of "year zero" of the setting.

Lunar exaltations are to slippery to be locked up.

>>96342284
He's declaring that you blocking him shows that he won the argument and that you're the autist here, basically.

>>96343562
Links to the 1E books, and 2E books and 3E books, are in the OP, anon.

>>96342361
3E Lunars are different enough from 1E Lunars that I don't think it's accurate to say that they're still trying to make 1E Lunars work. There are definitely some sacred cows from 1E that should've been slaughtered still around, but 3E Lunars are a far cry from 1E Lunars' ideological barbarism.

>>96340197
well source the docs and try again brudda, children of the five winds is in /newvola and both /efefgie and /l5r have material, just keep your head above the wh/quest/magic/slopfags and you should be alright

How do you guys feel about devil-stars now that they're no longer all numinous but actually written up? Writeup here if someone hasn't seen it already: https://theonyxpath.com/ages-of-heaven-preview-3-devil-stars-and-divergent-emperor-vaidurya/

>>96343899
Uh kind of lame. The balance of the game results in kind of underwhelming cosmic threats.

>>96343957
I don't think devil-stars are supposed to be a cosmic threat, or rather they once were but are now a firmly defeated former threat.

>>96343899
Kind of underwhelming, the raksha do their niche better.

>>96343966
They are a cosmic horror, being abominations from beyond the stars.

>>96343815
oh shit it's at the bottom how the ef did i miss that. thanks for pointing that out. I was confused as to where people were getting the PDF's lol.

Thank you.

The most interesting thing about the Devil-Stars is that a Solar dated one and I want more info on how that went.

>>96343988
>They are a cosmic horror, being abominations from beyond the stars.
Sure. They're still a defeated former threat. Creation's a setting where cosmic horrors from beyond the stars aren't mind-breakingly incomprehensible entities that can't be directly fought, they're beings that can be beaten up and otherwise interacted with.

>>96343998
Probably like dating a raksha with more communication difficulties

>>96343899
My problem with them is that they are too antagonistic.

>>96344014
>mind-breakingly incomprehensible entities
This is how they are presented, see their mechanics.

And literal Lovecraftian abominations can be fought, Solomon Kane fought against Tsathoggua.

>>96344046
>This is how they are presented, see their mechanics.
That's how they are to mortals.

>>96344049
And to the Exalted without the right charms

>>96337267
xianxia mostly vcomes up because of a small subsect obsessed with cultivation, who are interested in the mechanical possibilities of exalted but not the premise of exaltation itself being out of te hands of average people, so rather than develop a game where cultivation takes them to similar heights they set about dismantling and twisting the system and setting to make it more appropriate for their autism cultivation. they are ineffectual but very outspoken and annoying

>>96340197
From what I heard, the last edition of L5R is super woke. Is it true?
Maybe that was enough to kill the fans here.

>>96343293
Everything that I specifically mentioned was from 2e. Your biggest tip-off was that Lunars was referred to as "mechanically grounded", which soundly rules out the 1e version of them.

>>96344014
>cosmic horrors from beyond the stars aren't mind-breakingly incomprehensible entities
They could still be that, sometimes. Some Sidereals fit the bill, to say nothing of Oramus or Sechaverell, and Oribilis does a similar thing where you get cast into the sky for knowing too much. It's not completely unknown for powers to trigger off of 'knowing something / getting clues about the target' and attaching willpower drain or limit to that wouldn't be crazy. In 1e/2e it would be entirely reasonable to have to roll Valor or Conviction when confronted with the sheer enormity and mind-bending abilities of some of the available foes, which does something similar to a lovecraftian go-mad mechanic with how it could force a lot of willpower expenditure to overcome virtues for low-Valor/Conviction characters.

>that can't be directly fought
This is the main thrust that is entirely correct. In Exalted, you can fight the bad guys even if they're absurd. You can GET Chtulhu and survive 'reality' blinking away when the dreamer wakes up, then go on to re-establish a new Creation. When the Excrucian rocks up waving her world-breaking hand around you don't die immediately and have something of a chance to respond, and maybe if you catch her off guard you could even get her good enough she doesn't come back.

Also, just because some of these things COULD happen doesn't mean they should be actually happening in the canon, default setting. Cthulhu honestly fits the base setting just fine, but we know enough of the cosmology and the power scaling that the other two don't fit without some work.

Devil stars just seem like excrucians but shit. They don't even have the threat of the ability to actually excruciate anything. What purpose do they actually have in the setting? Just some zany monster of the week?

>>96344899
>What purpose do they actually have in the setting? Just some zany monster of the week?
They have almost no wordcount dedicated to them. That's all they need to be. You idiots are just overblowing them and freaking out at the shadow of your own hype.

>>96344899
They've got diplomatic relations with Yu-Shan and they're not written to be exclusively antagonistic, so I doubt they're there to be just monsters of the week. I'd assume they're there to bring variety to NPC options and to show the setting's got plenty of weird shit in it. I've wanted to see more non-Exalted, non-spirit beings for a good long while now, so I'm personally pretty happy to see devil-stars get written up.

>>96343998
I'm pretty sure they will omit the fact that he probably used a whole war strider to fuck it on a regular basis.

>>96343899
>How do you guys feel about devil-stars now that they're no longer all numinous but actually written up?
So far they're fine.

>>96345099

Personally, I feel like there's weird shit bloat in 3E.

There were already a gorillion factions to keep track of in 2E. Adding all these extra exalt types and extra factions feels like too much to me. Like the writers are using all this stuff to justify the existence of a 3rd edition, rather than it feeling like a natural and symbolically necessary part of the setting.

>>96345528
I don't think 3E has weird shit bloat. It has Exalt bloat, and forgetting the non-Exalted parts of the setting by making powerful weirdos Exigents or Liminals or Getimian has been a problem.

>>96345544

Yeah, I meant that as well moreso than just the weird shit.

>>96344859
>2e Lunars.
>Mechanically sound.
Only on a technicality

>>96345022
The only 3e thing that lived to the hype, were the Hearteaters, and they have similar small word count

>>96345099
>They've got diplomatic relations with Yu-Shan and they're not written to be exclusively antagonistic, so I doubt they're there to be just monsters of the week.
Don't 3e raksha also have diplomatic relationships with Yu-Shan?

>>96345591
Why would enemies of fate have diplomatic relations with heaven when they just want to eat reality?

>>96345691
The same can be asked about the devil stars, they are pretty raksha 2

>>96345528
They are going for a toolbox approach despite the fact that this setting was made with a metaplot in mind. The fanbase half expects every new toy an faction to play a part in a wider storyline when they are built around being lego pieces you build a plot out of.
For example a Lunar Campaign set in the West could be centered around aquatic pseudo Exalts, mind controlling giants or knock off Wakanda or how about any of these guys interact with one another.

>>96345528
It is because the "weirdness" is underdeveloped, with a lot only meant to exist as an "evocative paragraph", making 3e a sandbox where the toys are still in the toy store

>>96345022
>You idiots are just overblowing them and freaking out at the shadow of your own hype.
This is the problem with the mystery box approach to writing, J.J. Abrahams cannot write a good ending for this reason.
It creates so much expectations that the "plot" ends up drowned.

>>96345691
Because if they help Creation out they get place to be and a steady stream of food every Calibration and Eclipse as they cull broken stars and similar phenomena.

>>96345806
Because some Raksha really like their 4X I guess.

>>96345842
Most of the Fae who weren't against creation already got brought into the fold. The ones who still have diplomatic missions with heaven are mainly trying to get an ally to fuck over a Fae rival through trickery.

>>96345691
>just want to eat reality?
Most raksha aren't really that interested in eating reality? The unshaped are, but shaped raksha are significantly more tolerable and are the only ones in a position to actually interact with Creation meaningfully where unshaped aren't unless they're already trapped within it's borders ala Swar. Their greatest desires tend to be eating souls and fucking about pursuing whatever hobbies they find enjoyable to while away time in their eternal life. A raksha with a useful hobby is something to be enabled so long as you can reign in the worst of the impulses they'll have along the way. Sometimes they really enjoy sex, or worship, or performing heroic feats of derring-do, or just get hyperfixated on something stupid like clocks or whatever.

>>96345927
The Fae are weaponized autistsm

>>96345946
It's more that a lot of them tend to be really old and they're really detached from everything actually happening in the Wyld unless they're in an actual fight, which means they're often really bored, which is why they do things like organizing special events (i.e. terrorizing raids on mortal populaces, mandated masquerade parties for everybody, crusades) and going into Creation in pursuit of whatever joy they can find. Mortals influencing them actually influence them, and fae-vs-fae don't outside the context of shaping battles, and thus Creation-born are entertaining in ways that raksha aren't to each other. That and souls are really really yummy.

Did Exalted Essence get more content yet? Is the new book in the OP?

>>96346009
Yes, it had a player's guide kickstarter

>>96331506
>How would a charm be designed so it has new effects that ISN'T metagaming?
When splats play by the same rules, instead of being playground fights.

1e Sidereals and the original 2e Zeal is a good example of a power and metagame designs

>>96346091
Zeal fucking sucked bro

>>96347683
I'm pretty he was saying that 1e sidereals and 2e Zeal are a good example of power and metagame design, as in he knows they sucked and is pointing them out as examples. For me, the worst designed charms are those non-canon shinma calibration ones. Something better left to the story and plot jammed into a high essence charm that you have to buy a bunch of times to get a super cool amount of points that boils down to you begging your ST. Absolute trash but some people like them.

>>96347785
There definitely is a category of Charms from 2e that were really never intended to be bought or used but merely made to sketch out the bounds of Exalted power. You weren't actually meant to USE Shimaic Calibration in a game, it was there to show you what bullshit the Exalted got up to in the First Age and theoretically what they could get up to now. Have a First Age Solar somehow survive, he's a threat because he can rewrite reality with this crazy ass Charm. Same deal with all the become a Primordial Charms from the Broken Wing Crane, I would hazard like 5 people actually used them in a game that started at the baseline chargen and now some Essence 6 start.

Now I do think demonstrating the capabilities of the Exalted host is cool, it gives you an idea of the scale of the world and what they can do at the upper levels but actually make them playable and don't just throw out any idea of game design because no one will ever actually buy them.

>>96348177
Maybe just make certain Charms keyword:unteachable to show that these are intrinsic or self-learned things that cannot be passed on directly. If you want Malfeas' ability to force any beings with Essence lower than his to perform a choreographed dance of his choosing; You're going to have to craft something like it yourself on your own terms.

Anybody used a houserule that you can only buy charms if you provide an in-character reason for learning them? i.e. you can only get Monkey Leap if your character has a reason to learn how to jump good?

>>96345581
A bit more than that, in its era. It had Charms that interacted with the actual rules in the core book. That's actually way, way more than you can say for Dragon-Blooded and Sidereals prior to massive amounts of errata, or the botched intention behind the Spectral Keyword in Abyssals. It's telling that even though they're often bland and uninteresting, their Charms still had the least amount of errata in 2.5e.

>>96347785
1e Sidereals did not suck, actually. 2e Sidereals, though, were converted over by hands of ham.

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