Thread 96329130

Titans on Parade Edition

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>Thread Question:
Have you ever fought against or with a a Titan in a game?

>>96329130 (OP)
Bottom right

>TQ
The one time I saw a titan irl was some smug fuck who brought it to the LGS during the height of Siege of Vraks, and he proceeded to drop it and it broke into like 12 pieces lmao

Walmart Brand Warsmith being worked on.

>>96329165
>Great Value Battle Crafter
I like him, anon.

With some cutting and filling a cyclone missile launcher will sit on a saturnine

>>96329179
And plenty of filing and need-to-make-a-fence this will probably look silly

>>96329175
Thanks, anon.
I'm thinking that I might try to get some cables or wires running to his power fist arm or maybe up to the top of his armor?

>>96329130 (OP)
>TQ
I played one 12k game bringing my warlord against my buddies giga-scuffed warlord when we both had them mostly assembled.
Mine walked up the center and just ripped the other ones head off.

>>96329189
That would look cool. Some electric guitar string would look good, it has the right texture already.

Of course I posted this right before the other thread died.

Here's and Imperial fist 1k list for an introductory game for my buddy, please let me know if I should change anything, it's themed around combat engineers:

HQ:
ForgeLord, Paragon of battle.
Troops:
2*10 tactical
1*10 breachers with lascutters in a rhino modeled as an ARV
Logistical benefit:
Contemptor dread with conversion beamer and chainfist.

Aux Det: armoured support
2* vindicators

>>96329202
I spot Eldar runes and Slaneeshi symbols, what's his story?

>>96329209
>2 Vindicators
Well we know how the game is gonna go

I finally found a pic I was looking for to answer an anon many threads ago asking about armiger hulls as basing.
Here's a thing I made ages ago for my buddy. I don't have pics of the finished product but that's the general idea.

>>96329213
I was originally making him as an Ordo Sinister engine and figured out if anyone in the Imperium would use eldari tech to seal and mess with warp related forces it's those guys.
I've mentioned it before on this board but this was made years ago and never truly finished, as soon as I can pick it up from storage it's going to be completely overhauled.
Probably half of the writing along the panels are the names of the various commanders and planets my local friend group fought over (and the princeps is converted to look like my wife).
I just like corny Easter eggs.

>the reason why Saturnine platforms exclusively use energy weapons is because of the overengineered reactor on their back
See if that had been the marketing up front I would have been interested from the go.

>>96329251
Oh shit. Shame you didn't give him the Psi-Titan head then. Why the Slaneesh symbolt though? That one might be doing more harm than good

>>96329222
Should I drop a vindicator for something like a Bolter hss? Or maybe upgrade the breachers to a phalanx squad?

>>96329130 (OP)
Nigga you are obsessed (and probably unemployed).
But the paint job certainly looks better when you can barely see it

>>96329262
The head is completely magnetized, the stock head is there as a placeholder until I have access to a good printer.

As for the slaanesh symbol, I've got each Chaos God's symbol somewhere on the titan because in my mind it's all part of various incantations of protection against the powers of that deity.

Now that I've learned a bit more about the symbology of chaos I'll probably remove those (though I want to keep the one on the back right pauldron that has something to the effect of "fuck tzeentch" in the runes of chaos)

>>96329268
It's meant to be a teaching game, right? A Vindicator is going to centralize the game around it, and two is just gross. What will the opposing team be? At they might not even bring any AT. If you want to teach, then include a melee unit so he learns combat too, and then something like a Scorpius so he learns about breaching, indirect fire, scatter etc.

>>96329127
>the Tech-priest will never have WS5 tho :)
Troop tech priests are sergeants, they can actually get the Master Sergeant prime advantage if you uh...REALLY want a WS5 techpriest

Printed some bling for a Scars jump command squad

>>96329318
How much killing power are you missing out on by trading the pistols for shields? Assuming one regular shooting attack and one volley fire.

>>96329318
Desu something about the super ornate shields compared to the plain Jane armor doesn't look right

>>96329291
I was going to bring a straightforward 1k Alpha Legion list:

HQ
Saboteur, Paragon of battle

Troops
1*12 tacs in a rhino
2*10 tacs

Logistical benefit:
Plasma predator with lascannon sponsoons

Aux set: headhunter leviathal
1*5 Melta headhunters
1*5 knife and meltabomb effrit

Before the game starts I'll go over how to screen out infiltrators and I wanted to give him a good variety of targets (with the effort being a threat to the Vindicator but also being the perfect target for the Demolisher cannon.

Please advise on my list too, it's hard to figure out whats too good or not good enough at small scale games

>>96329357
10 bolt pistol shots, unless you want to spend 50 points for plasma or serpentas

>>96329360
Thankfully because they’re scars, the paint job gets to have plenty of extras + transfers

>>96329357
>How much killing power are you missing out on by trading the pistols for shields
>10 bolt pistols snap firing
>missing out

>>96329127

Tech-priests can fairly easily afford the familiar and still come in much cheaper, and the cybertheurgy is a freebie, failing Overcharged Reactors some 28% of the time with the Familiar is not a huge downside when the Praevian's bots are all WS/BS3 all the time. The Tech-Priest is also Specialist/Sarge, not Champion or Command, he isn't Challenge-eligible in the first place.

Overcharged Reactors also affects cybertheurgists in the target unit, so if the priest is casting on his own squad he will actually be WS5 a pretty decent percentage of the time, and have an actual power axe to use said weapon skill with. Being 1w, 1i and one point of armour save down is the major downside here, since the minor zapping from Cybertheurgic Feedback can go on the robots anyway.

>>96329304

Your first techpriest in a Mech army is a freebie Prime anyway, but allied ones don't get that. I quite like the idea of stiffening up my Solar Auxilia with Archimandrite techpriests embedded in the lasgun squads, though - they add a gravgun each for statuses and raise the morale stats to 9/9/8/8, or 10/10/9/9 for the Prime one.

>>96329222
>>96329291
I think I'll drop a vindicator for a Scorpius and voxes on the tacs, thanks for the feedback!

>>96329357
You are killing 1-2 less MEQ.
But you ideally don't want volley shots to happen to begin with

>>96329365
AL feel like the worst possible faction for a teaching game since they break a lot of rules. The Legion trait alone is already some extra cognitive load on the back of your head. Effrit are also weird with their special rule but it's just the one unit so should be fine. Also, the Saboteur is probably gonna get raped in a challenge, but that gives your friend a feelsgood moment when it happens. Maybe try replacing a tac squad with a despoiler dquad with a couple different weapons, so he can see how initiative steps work, and the various advantages of axe vs maul etc.

>>96329380
I'm struggling to find a reason to take anything but a cybernetica primary detachment as mech, being able to have scoring bots seems so crucial to winning.

>>96329374
It's 20 shots, 10 of them snapping unless you're SoH. Assuming no extra pistols of course

>>96329415
I feel DG are perfect for beginners *because* they ignore special rules, meaning the newcomer has less things to remember
>the Saboteur is probably gonna get raped in a challenge
Saboteurs are Specialists, which cannot be issued a challenge. They also can't gain Paragon or Master Sergeant either

>>96328669
TS Pyrae Despoilers
SoH Despoilers

>>96329130 (OP)
>TQ
My Blood Angels Kratos landed the final blow on this Warlord and also killed Magnus during our Tanksgiving event.
All those wounds disappear way faster than you'd think.

>>96329153
I hit a button and accidentally re enabled the drop shadow. Made it too easy but I was also in a rush

A fun sideline on the subject of the Troop tech-priests is that any cybertheurgist can be Heterodox, and any Heterodox can be Malefic at no extra cost. The cybertheurgy rite Aetheric Amplification lets a priest boost any Malefic unit, regardless of type or faction, albeit at a -4 total penalty for casting a -2 spell on Malefic (-1) non-Mechanicum (-1) units. Troop tech-priests with Cyber-Familiars will succeed about 41% of the time, or 58% if Prime or you upgrade to a proper Int 9 Magos.

It's quite tempting to run a bunch of Malefic space marines, either with a Primarch or a primary detachment like Supremacy Cadre, and see if an allied Magos can give them the WS5/BS5 juice. The main downside is that when the damn thing wears off a third of the unit is going to fall over dead from feedback, because compared to combat bots basic MEQ are made of paper. It's considerably more attractive on 2+/W2 Legion units, but it's a lot harder to find Prime slots for them.

>>96329420

The primary detachment can be mixed-Arcana, and any cybernetica priest allows his retinue to score, so if you want your beep boops to score just bring Cybernetica Magi/Tech-Priests and stick them with the Castellax squads, rather than other kinds of Magos. Your Apex pick stays open, although finding good places for my non-Cybernetica Archmagi to hang out is a pain.

Personally I have my eye on the Lacrymaerta Apex - a maxed out Panoply of Cruelty is 27 Ursarax, each of which is a T5 S6 W3 blender, and the whole lot cost 705pts and cover ground well. They'll turn a power-armoured line into soup and rip up their Rhinos for good measure.

>>96329130 (OP)
>TQ
My Blood Angels Kratos landed the final blow on this Warlord and also killed Magnus during our Tanksgiving event.
All those wounds disappear way faster than you'd think.

>>96329476
>although finding good places for my non-Cybernetica Archmagi to hang out is a pain.
I'm having the same issue trying to think about a Reductor archmagos and a bunch of thallax

>Goldship in OP
based
>dumb termie conversion in the OP
cringe

>>96329486
Man.

>>96329415
I agree, which is why I was trying to minimize the BS of the list (and might just run the army with no special rule). I do also have some DG, I might run them instead.
>>96329445
Can't believed I missed that, that's too bad. I'll just replace him with a Paragon of battle vigilator then. I've found that powerdaggers are kind of nasty in challenges because the ridiculous initative bonus means finishing blow is pretty nasty on them - my effort master sgt has done some decent work in the few games I've played so far.

>>96329506
Damn, pretty big balls on that crew. Did you add anything to the tank to denote it as a Titan-Killer?

>>96329374
>stare
Your power level is showing.

>>96329506
>I'm sure to win because my speed is superior

>>96329537
And he did

>>96329516
No, but that's a good idea.
Have you done anything like that with your models to celebrate a cool event?

>>96329506
Why are their beards so short? Were you beating up children?

Can you use more than 1 reaction from the same trigger?
e.g. if an enemy unit moves within 12" of 2 of my units, can they both react and move away if I have 2 reaction points?

So I'm adding a Librarian to my traitor salamanders. Their whole thing for the leaders is they have armour burnt off showing flesh underneath. The leader having taken a multimelta to the face, failed his armour save, since can't take one, but passed his feel no pain, due to the relic Salas had in 2.0. She he's got half his chest out. The other one, the champion, has one arm of his armour burnt off because the flames of his daemon weapon (paragon 'blade') hammer, burns to the bone and burns off any armour he tries to wear. So he has a single Tartaros shoulder pad for a pauldron, a-la Greigor Felhand.
I sorta want to do a staff for the librarian, but I'm just not sure how to get him to match the rest of the leaders in his chaosie devotion.

>>96329580
Yee

>>96329580
Why would you move away when you could instead deploy 3 more units?

>>96329596
It was a generic example, I'm not thinking of moving 2 units

>>96329486
Why would a BA tank kill a loyalist Legio Warlord

Aww I wish the Storm Battery had one Prime slot :(

Did they remove veteran squads? Any way of taking 10 dudes with power swords without the making jump pack veteran assault squads?

>>96329625
Not really. Technically yes...but the Centurion Command Squad is precisely what you're looking for

Wasn't a fan of this dude at first. After building and painting it I now love it.

>>96329628
Damn, do I need to buy those big ass flags or can I use those mini flags that come in the box for the command squad flag nigga?

>>96329648
You don't need to take flags in any command squad anymore, it's an optional upgrade

>>96329648
You don't need to take the standard bearer if you don't want to I think. Can just do a squad of regular dudemens no flaggots included. As for WYSIWYG, if it's got a flag it's got a flag, doesn't matter the size. But it's your command squad, you going to let them walk around when the enemy squad has a bigger flag then yours?

>>96329648
Legion standards are not mandatory and they do the same thing a vexilla does

Guys am I retarded or how to Apothecaries work. There are like 5 entires and sub entries and a reaction and they dont seem to make any sense.
The wargear entry for Narthecium says they can make a Recovery Test during the Morale step to modify a Characteristic test made. But a Recovery Test gets defined elsewhere as a test you make when an unsaved wound is allocated to a model.
Like how the fuck do these dudes work.

>>96329662
>>96329663
>>96329664
ty friends

>>96329667
Squad takes mass bolter fire, you do a test, reduce the damage you take by 1, so bolter rounds plink off the squad as a reaction.

>>96329667
The RAW is nonsensical, the best interpretation I've seen is ignore the white box telling you to take a recovery test to save wounds, the only times you do recovery tests is A) with a narthecium to get a modifier to your status recovery roll B) with the Medic! Reaction to get a last chance to save models that die to a shooting attack on one wound

>>96329667
Yes, apothecaries have to be the worst written shit in this whole edition.
The only thing we can do is assume that what they meant is to make a recovery test, which is just a 4+ on a d6, to see if you modify the check. Even tho the recovery test says it happens is a completely different phase....

>>96329674
Coinflip for a single bolter round, per dude. Slowrolling those are going to be ass.

>>96329618
We've all done some crazy things when the black rage hits.

>>96329692
yeah i just reread the rules. HOLY FUCK DOES THAT SUCK. I thought it was all shots for the round. I mean I guess if your leader is getting sniped...

I have now had about three or four cool list ideas ruined by the fact I can't give any kind of techpriest or Magos a jump pack. I better get Flying Robotman in one of these little pamphlets they're releasing, since I know like four mech players who have one or more of those converted from the previous editions.

Can't believe I still have 800+ pts left after what I want to take. I mean, I still haven't paid the HQ taxes, so it'll go there.
What idk is how I'll fit 2 Heavy Assaults, 2 Recons and 1 Heavy Transport in two detachments. I don't want to take an Optae as a Master of One Heavy Transport

>>96329725
You can take all that with 1 centurion

>>96329730
>Land Raiders go in the Combat Pioneers detachment
>Grave Wardens go in the Shock Assault detachment
Where do I put the Land Raider Carrier heavy transport? Can't in the Main detachment, as that already has Logistical: Heavy Assault

>>96329702
No it blanks a shot, but you allocate one by one. So the coinflip blanks the wound you save for, but you dont get another coinflip until the dude dies and you move to the next one.
>Allocate wound to D1, make coinflip
>Allocate wound to D1, dude dies
>Allocate wound to D2, fail coinflip, dude dies
>Allocate wound to D3, make coinflip
>Allocate wound to D3, dude dies

>>96329725
>1 scoring unit in your entire army.
>Terminators
>Land Raiders
Lol. Lmao even.

>>96329692
Why slowroll? Can't you roll a batch of 10, see who dies, then roll for those and repeat until you are done with all those 20 bolt shots?

I know this is a dumb question but does FNP act similar to a normal save where it's based on an attack, so you only roll a single time regardless of damge?
Also, am I reading it right that the medic rule reduces damage by 1, so 1dmg goes to 0 and 2 DMG goes to 1?

>Destroyers are explicitly worded so they can't take DG alchem pistols
>Mortis Poisoners are actually cheap and kitted to be perfect midfield bullies, but dont have the special rules Destroyers have that actually make them useful.
James WHY.

>>96329635
Very nice anon. Hopefully I'll get time to build and paint mine.

>>96329772
You can only blank one wound per dude, so a dude that makes a save eats two wounds before dying. You have to slowroll it because you dont know how many Recovery tests youre going to have to make.

>>96329757
Anon, that is before tax. I have 830 pts still free for taking as many HQ and Tacticals as needed. I trust those Vindicators as antitank

>>96329777
Checked, but apparently "balance" means everything sucks the same

>>96329739
Merge the 2 grave warden units or you have to take another.
What do you even need the heavy transport?
Siege terminators are fine as a ranged unit.
Alternatively you can take a warmonger with them and deepstrike one of the terminators. You need another HQ but you save a land raider that is probably going to be a waste of points

Rolled 6, 1, 2, 2, 6, 3, 3, 1, 2, 1 = 27 (10d6)

>>96329782
But can't you at least made 10 rolls in one go? That way no model rolls more than once

>>96329812
>Only 2 successes out of 10
Man that's an awfull roll

Is there any go to war gear for Tactical Squads or are they usually run as plain as they get? My dudes are still unprimed so I figure I’d ask while gluing new bits on them is at its easiest.

Has anyone in the States had to pay any tariffs on bits yet? I see some Aus/UK stuff I want but. ....

>>96329873
Combi-gravs on the sergeant look pretty solid. It's a 50/50 but you can potentially fuck a pretty big transport coming your way

>>96329878
They start at the end of august for stuff under 800usd

>>96329667
Apothecaries do two things:
They allow you to use the Medic! reaction in the shooting phase, which lets you knock off 1 damage from each wound the unit has suffered on a 4+ rolled for each wound

The second thing apothecaries allow you to do is to make an INT check in the morale phase, which if passed gives you a -2 modifier buff to dropping a status

It is absurdly spread out and not at ALL easy to follow, but that's it. You take primus medicae if you want a biker/jetbike/jump pack/terminator apothecary.

Is this too crowded?

>>96329957
I wouldn't say it's crowded but artillery pieces usually point in the same direction and the chimera doesn't really make a lot of sense there

>>96329967
The chimera isn't glued I'll probably save it for something else so. I dunno, I guess the arty directon is weird but I just want it to look like a defensive line which the warbringer is manning with the troops

>>96329957
>>96329967
I didn't even notice the Chimera until you mentioned it

>>96329957
>>96329997
>The base even looks like wensleydale cheese
kek

Trying to work on transfers, but I can't get them to sink onto the mini properly without any creases. It's especially bad with the circular ones. What am I doing wrong? Should I be using some kind of solution instead of water to wet it?

>>96329957
I'd swap the chimera for infantry along the wall/around the guns and move the left gun to the right side of the base

>>96330041
Gloss varnish the spot first, then use microset and Microsol, before varnishibg over the top when everything is done and dry

>>96330041
Water to release, prepare the surface with Micro Set, apply, add Micro Sol after final position.

>>96330041
you should be using decal set solution.
If you don't have any you can try white vinegar thinned with water and see if that helps

>>96330041
what all of them said with a video from henry my beloved for help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2TBhhAngUY

>>96329811
Ditched the LR Carrier, added 20 missile launchers because I had two empty Support slots x.x
I felt that adding a Centurion would mean the Siege Breaker is his subordinate, so I added a couple Armistoses instead lol

>>96330041
1. Gloss varnish
2. Decal with Microsol & Microset
3. Gloss varnish
4. Matte varnish (or satin)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay4Ynh7b3aI

>>96330059
You probably should take las canons or multimeltas instead of missile launchers
You already have 4 phosphex rapiers and a bunch of other anti MEQ. You don't have anything good against terminators

>>96330052
>>96330055
>>96330056
>>96330057
>>96330072
Cheers, thanks anons. Will post when I'm succesful.

The new Mk2 was fun to put together, though I’d criticize the decision to have the sprue connecting to one of the guiding pegs on the torso meaning connecting one of the arms was guess work if you accidentally cut it.

The more I look at them the more I keep getting bond villain goons vibes

Anyone know what a good in-scale jewlers chain size is? Not too big, not too small?

>>96330086
Wait, I was told Lascannons were old news and Multi-meltas were a scam. If anyone can use Multis, it is DG yeah, but then I can't afford the Armistoses that unlock the necessary detachments...
...unless I bring the dreaded Centurion (that I have nowhere to place) x.x

>>96329902
I suppose I should have waited for my Mk7 Tactical Squad to come in before I put these dudes together to steal the combi weapon bits out of that kit. Oh well, my Scouring larp remains unimpeded.

>>96329957
Yes. The footfalls of titans would be extremely disruptive to dug in artillery positions, especially a heavy warbringer titan, and nobody would be driving a tank between their feet. Hell Secutarii officers would probably insist that everyone fuck off before letting some meandering plebs neat their precious charge's feet.

>>96329573
I had a squad of ork boyz wipe out a Terminator squad using just their pistols, so I painted them gold

>>96330222
I want the Thanatar Cynis, and I want it to be symmetrical :(

>>96330059
No MotL?

>>96330059
You probably want LR carriers for your termies

You guys I think it's gonna work

>>96330234
This one is 2mm cable chain from Michael's

Help, I must be retarded.
Where does it say that you can only return fire with defensive weapons?

>>96330422
This looks incredible but it still baffles me that people want models that look horrifying.

>>96330428
I wouldn't know I'm blind.

>>96330429
Thanks anon!
All my demon engines are nasty looking to better contrast my bright clean Alpha Legion scheme (and sculpting in greenstuff is fun).

>>96330422
Hm, so probably 1mm for marine arms

Thanks

>>96330457
The lighting is terrific because it looks great the claw is terrific because it begets terror.

>>96330428
vehicle section

>>96329502
dont look at the last few OPs then...

What's the highest BS unit you can get that isn't just a maxed out Primarch? A Malefic Mor Deythan squad with Mech buffs can hit BS8 for one turn, at which point they crit everything they Precision Shot, and a variety of units can hit 6 any turn they have that buff up, but I can't think of any other +BS buffs around and I doubt any squads are going to beat Mor Deythan for max accuracy. Seekers with 6+ crits are kind of monsters though, I think they one-round-kill almost any Space Marine character with their precision shots.

>>96330810
Exodus has the highest unmodified BS of all units in the game with 8
Vigilator gets BS 8 too with Paragon prime buff

I have to come up with more fluff because I'm using more HQ tax than before. Have you come up with new characters, anons? Or maybe you already used 3 HQ anyways.

>>96329130 (OP)
I cum with more game reports
Fell blade is fucking great.
Preator command squad is great
Siege terminators are great.
Breachers are great for sitting on a point.
Tactical still do tactical things
Inner circle knights are kinda disapointing now and can get clapped by suzarian. I feel like the knights really need something going for them other then their great swords, they feel kinda eh.

>>96330810
Malefic gives +1BS? Seekers with BS6? How?
Say, apparently Magi can cast cybertheurgy on anything nowadays. Cast Guide on them for BS+1

>>96330997
I would like to know more
>Inner circle knights are kinda disapointing now and can get clapped by suzarian
No way. With legatine axes? Double no way
>I feel like the knights really need something going for them other then their great swords
So, Hammers?

>>96331033
>Hammers.
Sure but now your sinking 325 into that unit.
Might as well take a cata command squad for 295 with all hammers
Or DWC at that point.
They just seem disappointing as a unit right now, at least in my experience.
>No way. With legatine axes? Double no way
Mix of axes + hammers

>>96330344
Haven't got any need for Elites, really

>>96331025
Each cybertheurgy power says what unit types it can be cast on

>>96330997
>Preator command squad is great
Can second this. Last game I played against mechanicum my 5 man praetorian command squd with legion champion and biomancy librarian took care of about half the mech's army.

>>96331025

That's what I'm doing - the target restrictions on cybertheurgy are in the individual spells, and the only one that targets non-mech infantry is the one that works on any Malefic unit. Even with all that and the expense of a whole Magos it's not quite as good as just being a Thousand Son and getting rending 5+ thrown in, but it is about as good at sniping praetors and any traitors can do it.

>>96331087
I forgot to clarify I was running a preator command squad on scimitars with my preator and a hareld
Hareld was a paragon of battle.
Command squad had spears and mm on the bike it was a substantial board threat it cleared our a squad of seekers in a rhino then tired up a 4 man squad of castallex(some 4 wound mech unit that had some grav crusher weapon) and bulled a magos the whole game. Def enjoyed fielding it and felt like it was a good unit.

>>96331114
Mine were on foot, embarked on a Rhino. Charged out of the Rhino at the first thing that came close enough and got to work with power fists.

>>96331131
No one would've put a Command Squad in a Rhino in 2.0, this kinda thing can only happen now

>>96331131
Probably gonna look at giving them all fists as well desu

>>96331150
Yup, Rhino rush is back. Anything that steps out of the deployment zone can get charged by a unit charging out of a Rhino. And a Rhino is easy enough to hide until it is needed with the new LOS rules. Shit's crazy.

>>96331065
What about the extra reaction

>>96329506
Fuck... Are fat nerds with neckbeards really still a thing in 2025 ?

>>96330986
I'm using the same guys still: a Warsmith with an excel spreadsheet underling who is the actual power behind the throne

>>96331160
Two tips if you build them with fists:
>Try to apply a status effect to the unit you want them to charge, this reduces the target unit's initiative to 1, so at least put a havoc launcher on the Rhino
>Running a biomancy librarian with them is nuts. Can buff them with +2 strength and toughness in the turn they charge. Really improves their survivability, and str 10 powerfists are much better at dealing with tanks

>>96331162
Yeah that's gonna sting :(

>>96330222
Managed to get the plasma OSL done on the cavas

Do you need to attach your praetor to his command squad

Got 16 more immortals, a Praetor, and a jump pack Forge Lord ready for Summer Slaughter. Hoo wee. I wish I had more time to make em look nice but I got a week before they have to go to NOVA.

>>96330986
Funny enough my IH are the only army that I’ve ever maxed out HQs for. Everything else has been 2, and my RH always ran with 1.

>>96331297
No, retinues are just a separate, different unit type now.

Anyone have a recipe for a nice dark "purple blue" for night lords?

>>96330997
>Siege terminators are great.
What gun? What did they do?

played another game with the NL tac blobs, same list but there was a fuck up in communication and my buddy brought a 3k army and I was still at 2k
won the game at 34-31 with 1000 points down bc he made a fuck up on the third turn but at the worst, he would've won by only a few points

don't let your tactical spam dreams die

>>96331436
Wait hold up, your opponent didn't just remove 1000 points from his list? What a cunt. And he still lost with a 1000 point advantage, unbelievable. What a fucking loser.

New members of the Legio Cybernetica.

>>96331450
well we didn't really check each others lists bc we've known each other forever and neither of us noticed until hours later when I was just going over the game in my head
we just assumed different things and didn't bother actually asking

>>96331457
Looks like ass.

>>96331457
Sure, why not.

>>96331473
It really is impressive how GW made such an interesting concept as dwarfs in space so fucking boring and ugly.

>>96331436
>>96331468
>literal 50% points advantage
>still fucking win like a chad
Nightlords stay winning.

Also are those other nerds you played going to hear about this, and take it as proof that running 2 tactical squads is an OP WAAC strat?

>>96331498
not only that, they are abhumans so i don't know why they don't use volkite or have some DAoT shit like a land raider with a huge drill or a miner knight

How's Artillery in 3.0? I want to play an IW kaboom list.

My mother in law is here this weekend, so I'm not going to enjoy any hobby. Show me what you're hobbying to make me feel better.

>>96331545
It's alright. Not the gods of the battlefield like in 1.0 but also not overpriced garbage except for the scorpius like in 2.0. Phosphex mortars are a little oppressive if you take too many with that Panic 3.

>>96331539
to be honest the tac squads don't really do much besides stand there and look impressive
the real sauce is just putting veterans in rhinos, bullying your opponent off their objectives and then win off the initial tempo swing

Now that the dust has settled what are your thoughts on NU-mkII? Do the heavy weapon arms fit on them or are they the wrong mark?

>>96331598
I like it. Feels good, kit is slightly more awkward to put together the first time because the models aren't arranged on the sprue in the same way the VI and III are, but a nice kit, looks and feels good.

>>96331581
Played a 2k points of 2.0 with a friend yesterday. We both play traitors in a narrative campaign and wanted to try our (very unoptimised) lists before the actual campaign games.

He managed to immobilise my spartan carrying my 2 terminators squad with a ridiculously lucky autocannon shot (the very first roll of the game) and to challenge+murderous strike my praetor when he managed to charge but I ended up tabling him on turn 4.

Was great fun although we were baking in the heat.

>>96331588
Aight, good for me. I'll have a look in the legacies units as well, maybe some stuff is interesting in there.

>>96331613
>very unoptimized
>2 contemptors each
uh huh

>>96331598
So far out of the three new marks it's the best one. Not that much of an achievement, but still.

>>96331620
If you want the whole schtick, it's because the campaign rules written by another friend means neither of us can use RoW until basically the last games of the campaign. Long story short, loyalists ended up being advantaged and we both know this campaign won't go for long before the organiser ticks off and tells everyone to fuck off once things don't go his way exactly the xay he wanted it.

Since I basically painted the army for this, I made a list that would take as few models as possible, for the smallest possible investment in this endeavour.

You can see my entire 2k points in the picture.

Really lads, if you have any wishes to write campaign books, please don't. Your friends will play nice to not be rude but if you're not a professional, it'll be shit.

>>96331618
Lots of interesting and even new stuff in the legacies. There's the siege tartaros terminator squad, in which every terminator can take a plasma blaster of reaper autocannon for example. Then there's veteran breachers which are damn solid with fun weapon options, and also veteran support squads where you can mix special and heavy weapons in the unit and even have 10 marines all with the new heavy disintegrator weapons. And (jet)bike characters and command squads can now upgrade their guns too.

>>96331648
You had me at veteran breachers desu.

I knew about the Siege Terminators. I'll probably go for these. I love me some Pride of the Legion lists.

Think Dominators are less good now that Cataphractii are even slower than before but can still be fun I reckon.

>>96331648
Plasma blasters got nerfed even moar I don't seen the point of them

>>96331653
Cataphractii need a transport, that's nothing new. And with how much tougher AV 14 vehicles are now it's more likely a land raider survives until it can deliver its cargo. Even more so now that transports can move at full speed and still have units disembark.

>>96331163
Yes, they're a bit rarer though

>>96331588
Is three units of two "oppressive"? I'm just realizing limitations went away with the old FOC
8th edition did away with the FOC too, and soon found themselves having to create a Rule of 3 because mathbros would just spam the same [Buy Now] OP stuff

>>96331658
Plasma is a trap option. I am legally obligated to say two Breaching 5 shots are better than a single Breaching 4 one, but autocannons shoot three shots with double the damage, making them the actual anti-termie option.
Meanwhile, plasma is actually for...for whenever you can't have a stationary autocannon yet you still want to use the second most expensive gun against basic single-wound MEQs, really. Like, not even VEQ; those are better engaged by autocannons too.
In punishing Plasma for being the anti-everything gun in 1.0 they finally created the a similar thing on autocannons in 3.0

Any way to pull off a Pride of the Legion list in 3.0, i.e. tons of terminators and giving them Line? Still trying to wrap my head around the army building desu

>>96331807
1 Praetor for 3+1 squads
1 Centurion for 4 Land Raiders (Cataphractii are unuseable without them), plus another detachment with support personnel for your termies
How many do you want?

>>96331729
>Autocannons are better than plasma guns
It's almost like there is a reason autocannons cost more points...

>>96331807
Can spam more terminators more easily now, but you can only give one of them Line for Master of Signals you bring. Or play AL and spam lernaean.

>>96331812
>>96331818
Sounds not too bad, thanks.

>Havocs have been nerfed to BS4
FUCK.

>>96331927
They are the only unit left in the game with access to ignores cover though

>>96331945
Oh nice. Didn't know they were the only ones with that.

>>96331598
Same shit as other new marks, all the marines are identical which is really a suame. If they made 5 nrw poses for every marks it wpuld be spectacular. What we got sadly is squishy

>>96331598
Good, but I still the helmet, while invoking a killbot kind of look, is a bit overly...rounded? Mk2 had a distinct angled protrusion going on with the grill, like how Mk3 had its upper trim angled up higher, but got flattened and protrudes like a cap in the new one. They're the most easily replaced bits and the former is not bad on its own, but I'm still a little vexed on why one would change a fairly recognizable piece of armor like that. Though I'd have a bigger problem if they changed MkIV into not-MkX.

>>96331457
That looks a lot more like Abominable intelligence to me anon.

>>96331540
They do use volkite dude, the ironkin in the picture are carrying Volkite guns, you can tell by the copper coils.

They call it "Volkanite" to avoid any more trouble with the mechanicus but it is canonically just volkite with the mass production issues smoothed out.

>>96332154

Yeah, MkIV is better when it's more of a Noot Snoot.

>>96331598
It's the best of the nu-marks so far, although personally I was a fan of lobster legs but I understand it's a divisive issue.

>>96331598
Awful kit like the other two.
At least it's not all bloated or weirdly curved or have completely different pattern heads or arms like mk3 and 6 do.
That and people are already used to the shit standard so they got a lot less backlash

>>96330428
>>96330706
It doesent afaik. Defensive weapons just get to split fire at full BS.

>>96330997
>Inner circle knights are kinda disapointing now and can get clapped by suzarian
Nothing about ICK vs suzerains should have changed?

>I feel like the knights really need something going for them other then their great swords
The thunder hammers they can swap for? Read your legacies. A LOT of options are back from 2e.

>>96330428
In the basic Reactions rules. It says when shooting as part of a reaction vehicles can only use defensive weapons

>>96330428
>>96332388

>>96331598
I like it.

>>96331807
You cant give terminators line, but terminators have innate vanguard to help them score.

>>96331807
Command vox relay on the command rhino and the MoS lets you give line (1) to a unit and remove vanguard.
You probably don't need more than 1 or 2 of these
Any centurion you take lets you take 2 shock assault detachments so that's 4 terminator units already, don't know how many more you want but realistically 3 centurions can take 12 terminator units and you could take a praetor with the junior officer cadre to fit the MoS or command rhino in there.
You can absolutely spam the shit out of terminators and the basic ones with no upgrades are pretty cheap for a 2+ T5 2W model with twice the firepower of a tactical marines for 30ppm

>>96330997
>Dark Angels fucking suck
Come back when you have some new information

>>96332331
Weren't the MkIV renders still looking somewhat conservative in the 3.0 books too?

>>96329805
Won't somebody please think of the tournaments and streamers?

>>96329805

Nemesis are an odd one even for the Legends PDF.
>Supposedly destroyer adjacent but don't have bitter duty or Firestorm.
>Has the Breachers special weapons list (Lascutter et al) combined with the Destroyers Special list (Rad Launcher)
>Has a special Boltgun that causes Panic
>Can come in groups of 20 and start at 10 and has standard Tactical stats.
>Neither Line or Vanguard

There's just so fucking much going on here that I genuinely don't know what they're meant to be for. Holding onto a point and spooking people with Panicking Boltguns?

>>96332628
Think of them as seekers with chainswords

>>96332628
>>96329777
>>96329805

If we're talking about Destroyer variants that are actually pretty good. Maybe even thematic then I've got two candidates: Angel Tears from the Liber + The extra stuff they get in the Legends and the Red Hands Destroyers for the World Eaters.

>Angel Tears start with Volkite Pistols and could have just stopped there, but they also can all have what are basically Rad Launchers. Or as of legends you can have 10 Jump Pack Space Marines wearing spooky halloween masks and carrying Assault Cannons.
>This is dumb and overcosted. But hear me out, it's also fucking rad.

>Red Hands looked at ranged firepower and different pistol options and went: Nah. We're going to have Close Combat Weapons instead.
>Can be fitted with Caerbaer weapons, so you can give them 4 Falax Blades and a Whip.
>Charge - shoot them with rad grenades - then hit them with 4 attacks all with Phage (s) and then 20 attacks with AP3.
>Or two of them could just have Thunder Hammers.
>Stopped reading the firestorm rules at the first paragraph.

>>96332649

That is a comparison that really does them no favours my dude.

>>96332666
It's a jack of all trades master of none unit in the Ultramarines legion, what more do you want?

Where are the gosh darn Plastic Breachers and MK2 Assault Squads, James?

>>96331352
Auto canons, intercepted and took out a xiphon, in turn turns while being a general menace to tacs and vets. Got fucked in melee but did their job
>Nothing about ICK vs suzerains should have changed?
Yes and no. Suzarians really did not lose much of their edge compaired to IKC. Since the axe is is Breaching 4, and they are base S4, against terminators any wound is still a 4 so its just a matter of weight of volume for price. IKC still are a gambling weapon, but lost a lot of their bonus because of slayer of kings and deathwing being shit or gone at this point.
>The thunder hammers they can swap for?
at 10ppm on an already 275 point squad of 5, its cheaper to just go for DWC or Retinue at that point.
>>96332505
Dont suck just highly MEH now which is fucking gay.
All DA issues come from indirect nerfs, such as plasma getting fucked, torrent going away, and heavy being a bitch to get into combat with.

OH one other thing.
Taking SA allies and running a Artillery section of 3 basilisks? Worth it. all game long shelling things across the map and putting out Pinning 2. Looking back at it rather then trying to throw out statuses i might just go for trying to wipe squads faster.

Either way i still lost because i went second and could not get onto points early
Personally im really starting to notice a trend of whoever goes first has a massive advantage in terms of point scoring since scoring is at the end of a round.

>>96332736
Please no, my backlog is already suffocating lol.

>>96332742
>Suzarians really did not lose much of their edge compaired to IKC
They literally lost 40% of their attacks and they're affected by the same heavy nerfs all cataphractii got, meanwhile terranic greatswords got buffed. The only downside is that reaper of hosts and slayer of kings are no longer busted, boo hoo. You want to complain, try getting stuck with power swords with shred 6+ for the same cost.

>>96332742
>Personally im really starting to notice a trend of whoever goes first has a massive advantage in terms of point scoring since scoring is at the end of a round.

But anon, scoring is at the end of each player turn when you are the active player. Not at the end of the Battle Turn (colloquially/historically "round")

>>96332776
>meanwhile terranic greatswords got buffed.
What buff? If anything they got a nerf since they swing at -1 init vs at init.
Im not saying ICK are bad, im saying compared to suzarian they are meh let me be clear

>>96332800
Sorry idk what the fuck people are calling it now, battle round, battle turn, turn, command phase.
scaring when a player is done doing their shit, that is causing situations where it seems like who ever goes first has a massive advantage.

Is it ever correct to give characters AP3 weapons? They're going to bounce off in challenges, so I can't see why you would ever take something like claws on a praetor or centurion

I never liked Ultras until I saw this model, man he’s rad. Not “start an army of smurfs” rad, but still.

>>96332875
just steal his helmet for your praetor

>>96332875
He's a midget now.

>>96332878
Not a bad idea. He’d make a good Herald, too.
>>96332883
>midget dabs on the Word Bearers so hard they have to go into full retreat to escape Calth
Total Smurf victory.

>>96332883
You wish

>>96331436
But /hhg/ told me that tacspam doesn't real because everyone brings MEQ blenders and phospex and artillery pieplates?

>>96332742

I am concerned with scoring, my Mechanicum are very much lacking in scoring units fast enough to take points early due to the fact that I can't give my HQs jetpacks so they can't confer Comptroller to anything speedy enough to reach the points on their own, and our transports are very expensive. I'm hoping Militia and Cults will have some decent cheap artillery + Line troops here, since Solar Aux can absolutely do it with cheap basilisks but they're a bit one-note.

>>96332957
No, /hhg/ told you it CAN be countered. Skew lists have always existed for as long as 40k has been a thing. If you only take a lot of one thing, it's going to be hard for an all-rounder enemy to counter. This isn't anything new. You could do the same by spamming tanks, or dreads, or terminators, even SA guardsmen.

>>96332973
Aren't Thallax good anymore?

>>96332984

They're solid fast special weapons squads, they'll put out the damage, but they are neither Line nor Vanguard. This would not be a problem if I could use my two converted Magi with jump packs that have been bouncing around the table with Thallax squads for two editions now, but I can't, so I can't give them Comptroller (the mech equivalent of Line, but confers to units from attached characters) without slowing them down from 10" antigrav to 6" normal move.

Ursarax are absolute power armour blenders, and they do have Vanguard 3, but the slow HQs are my only source of Line-equivalent and it's really killing my listbuilding.

how come cataphractii don't do nothing? how come I gotta pay an extra 200s points for a land raider to get their fat asses any where? how come my opponent can just walk away when my land raiders do get close enough so that my cataphractii still don't do nothing. why did they do this to my game

Do we have any more news about the upcoming battlefleet heresy game?

>>96332736
The NU-breacher shields are so ugly and they lost their iconic helmets, no thanks. I like the ass squads tho.

>>96332945
>We MOGG for Macgragg

>>96333034
iconic helmets?

>>96333045
Nta but the old breachers had reinforced helmets.

>>96333034
>>96333049
I’m sitting on a pile of old Mk III heads for this exact reason.

>>96333031
Footslogging cataphractii were never viable

The reposition reaction in the movement phase is strong, but with a land raider and moving it's less of an issue. A 4" reposition is very strong in a vacuum, less so in a world where objectives, terrain and other units exist. You still get your setup move (which can be buffed, even on cataphractii) and charge roll.

The evade reaction in the charge phase is light or cavalry types only, so most cataphractii targets won't be able to do it at all. This one is significantly harder for heavy types to overcome, but will be rarer.

None of this counts if you're playing against a White Scars opponent who can just move their full movement in response to anyone with the audacity to end their movement within 12" of them.

>>96333071
Why is Vulkan fondling Serie?

>>96333082
He fucking hates eldar

>>96333049
>>96333069
Yeah, fortunately tortuga bay sells some and I will buy them because I got no printer

>>96333071
>Footslogging cataphractii were never viable
this is how I always done it and it always worked for me. sometimes i deep striked. Now I only get to deep strike 1 unit with abaddon and they don't even get to make a charge afterwards

>>96333031
>how come cataphractii don't do nothing?
Because theyre the most powerful combat units and the most durable vs shooting. They have the best shit, but that comes at the cost of having the hardest time actually using it. Tartaros terminators are objectively weaker in combat and less durable vs shooting, but in return theyre a lot faster and therefore have an easier time getting to combat.

>>96333082
VULKAN LIVES ONTO THE ANVIL OF WAR BROTHERS WE ARE LIT AF

>>96332870
For RG, talons boost your initiative even if you don't use them. So a claw to mince power armor and a hammer to bonk as needed.

>>96333069
Shouldn't be too hard to sculpt the even bigger front plate.

>>96333104
and for literally every other legion?

>>96333093
>sometimes i deep striked.
No you didn't, because cataphractii never had native deep strike. You either had to take Teleport Assault or another RoW that enabled it, or add a character who did.

>>96333092
That’s fair. I have some of those too, they’re nice.

>>96333096
> Tartaros terminators are objectively weaker in combat and less durable vs shooting
Let's not overstate it, they're 5++ versus a 4++. That's not nothing, but they hit just as hard and are still T5 2W 2+/5++ which is nothing to sneeze at.

>>96332870

Well, don't use him for challenges then. It's not like this is ToW when every unit lead can just accept or throw those out.
And if you do find yourself in a challenge, take some of turtle gambits and try to get lucky enough to end the challenge without dying. Not ideal, but the option is there.
Plus, not EVERY Command unit has a 2+ save you know. Remember how everyone was going "OOPS ALL OPTAE" a few weeks back? That said... yeah, if you give him an AP3 weapon, it's sole purpose is to help him kill 3+ marines. So as long as you are building him and his unit around that concept, then sure.

But... I dunno, giving a Mounted Praetor or Centurion a power weapon and putting him into a unit of Jetbikes or Outriders (Or Golden Keshig if WS) with the sole job of bullying backline firesupport or infiltrating units like Seekers or Recons could work?

>>96332870
Challenges are somewhat rare now, because sergeants cant do them by default. Not every consul needs a thunder hammer, because you can just have an actual champion who is meant for it to soak the challenge.

>>96333107
The advantage of the old small 25mm base was you could put them base to base and form a very cool shield wall, doesn't work with 32mm

>>96333114
why did you post all the ways that you could deep strike units in cataphractii armor immediately after stating that it wasn't possible?

>>96333033
Sounds like someone’s been listening to made up bullshit again. If you want HH BFG then there’s a fan expansion out there for it.

>>96333111
Sucks to suck

>>96333166
Forget I wrote anything, I'm just a bit early.

>>96333146
Because it's no different than now. You had to pay out the ass to deep strike cataphractii, meaning you couldn't spam it, and charging out of deep strike was a pipe dream in 2.0.

>>96333175
Oh so you're just the one making up the bullshit then.

How do you like to use your upgrade heads, anons?
Entire squads? Key models?

>>96331598
Never had the old ones but I think they look nice.

The joining it together at the ass is kinda fuckin dumb though. GW for ya

And not ‘heavy weapon’ per say but I had a much easier time stickin rotor cannons to them than the MKVI guys. I like 6s chest buckle but it can get in the way half the time

>>96333194
I thread them onto some armature wire and then use them to sound my penis's hole.

>>96333194
I bought the IH heads, I’m going to use a mix of them and bionic heads for a 20-man blob of Medusan Immortals.

>>96333205
I see, whatever floats your boat, I guess.
>>96333210
Nice, that's a good idea. I managed to get a few of the old IW MK2 heads with the lense over one eye; since I got 5 I figured I'll put them on my Missile Launcher squad that I plan to use as Iron Havocs.

>>96333120
Thats still tartaros taking 33% more damage vs Ap2 than cata terminators. In a fight an equal unit of cataphrachtiii will beat an equal unit of tartaros. When shot tartaros will take more damage from Ap2 weapons than cataphrachtii.
The downside for this power is that cataphractii are slower. They are, generally, the strongest troops in the game from a mathematical perspective but in return they have issues getting to use that power.

>>96333222
That’s a good idea, the rangefinder lens looks great for heavy weapon guys. I was gifted a box of Mk VIs that I have no idea what to do with. The armor itself is fine, but beaks really seem out of place for Iron Hands.

>>96333130
>shieldwall
I wanted to do that with my ea IH breachers too but it looked a bit silly between 6mm marines being 5 per base and the length of the different bases I could pick from not letting me make a continuous wall so I just went with the 25mm squares and dropped the minis in the slots. It looks decent enough I think. Thank you for listening to my blogpost.

>>96332870
You can't lose a challenge if you never fight a challenge.

>set up that my mechanicum uses pink plasma, blue volkite, white photon, and orange grav weapons when I started
>but then I started using orange for radiation weapons on my karacnos and krios
>went back and checked and I've actually never given grav weapons any OSL through my mechanicum so far

I mean, it's convenient, but I feel a bit silly now

>>96333266
Rad should be blue or green
Pink plasma is based
White photon makes sense
Grav should be green or purple
Volkite should never be blue unless you want people thinking they're plasma guns

>>96333104
might be legal RAW, it's ambiguous what they mean with their spaghetti wording on impact (it mentions models and weapons separately twice), but it's obviously unintentional and you'd be kicked out of the store for trying to cheat if you demanded to use lightning claw special rules without using lightning claws. Only a complete and utter faggot tries to cheat like that.

>>96332742
dark angels are specifically the worst legion in the entire game in 3rd edition. That's not "meh" or "middle of the pack" "or "kinda average" or anything.

The most DA can do is try to make an argument that wordbearers might ALSO be in the sped potato children classroom with dark angels and taking the same shortbus, but there's zero argument that dark angels can ever take the bus with the regular children.

>>96333087
Then he's about to be hatefucking one too it seems.

>>96332680

For them not to be compared to BS5 infiltrating elites with access to Breaching 4+ boltguns.
Nemesis start at 10 men not 5 and they, for some reason are Shock Assault. Both of these things imply they're more a basic troop replacement. I'd probably consider Tacticals or Breachers to be their contemporaries. They lose Line, but get Botlguns that can put a Status on something, and with Lascutters they can delete any Land Raider that comes within charging distance to drop off their Terminators. And Lascutters aren't bad against Termies in Nemesis squads either because they already only had 1 attack anyway.
So, if you compare them to Tacs then you lose Line and they're 65pts more expensive to start with. But get a lot more firepower options to deal with threats than Tacs who sort of want to just try and soak casualties and not get status'd. (Something the Nemmies are marginally better at, being Ld8 and Cl8 on the Sarg)

So, that's sort of where I see them.

>>96333082
He likes abusing them before he grills them.

>>96333317

I feel like Word Bearers at least got something of Value with the Legends armory (the units are an embarassment though.) Warpfire Plasma isn't bad, and Power Swords with Phage (s) definately has something fucky you can do with it.

I fucking hate waiting for Bitzbox. Why the fuck do their deliveries always take so fucking long?
About half of my Etsy stuff has arrived at least. So I can start building the Snipers (Which, interchangebly, can be either Effrits, Recon troopers or Mor Deythan.)

>>96333361
>Warpfire Plasma isn't bad
>S5 plasma
>in exchange for useless shred 6+ and no overload
>not bad
If I wanted a heavy bolter I'd use the ones I have left over from my missile launcher box instead of paying twice the cost on a TSS

>>96333399

You... do know that Overload is bad? Right?

>>96329581
Have him go completely bare-chested with a hood and a cape.

>>96330986
I now have to come up with two lieutenants for the main guy. I'm thinking Optae
A Centurion would be better, but then the Consul would be his servant instead. I hate *needing* 3 detachments

>>96333031
>don't do nothing
Double Negatives are Heresy

>>96333317
DA are not specifically the worst legion in the game, they have the worst legion trait in the game. Their armoury is good, they have good detachments, their reaction is kinda shit and their units are all bad apart from DWC.

Word Bearers have an effective legion trait and a good reaction but the rest of their army is worst in slot. They basically don't have an armoury and they literally don't have an auxiliary detachment while their apex is worse than the rulebook generics plus all their units are bad except the Mhara gal.

Which legion you think is the worst is a matter of opinion but what cannot be argued is that the WB and DA are the only truly "Bottom Tier" legions.

>>96333361
Anon its 20 points for a S5 plasmagun that gets outdamaged by a S7 plasmagun that costs 10 points.

>>96333361
lorgar is A-tier, argel tal is at least A-tier, the panic2 jetpack flamers are A or better in a fear1 army (+10 points can get panic3 phosphex on the champ which stacks with Fear nearby), zardu layak's ability to steal a terminator each turn to kill his men then block their return damage from zardu's unit is legit (and possibly even funnier since it prevents a contemptor or konrad curze from coming nearby and getting stolen and forced to kill their own allies), Lorgar's dad isn't solid as a brawler but gives a whole unit 11/10/9 on nerd stats and has a buff for +1 to wound in melee or to take nerd stats to 13/12/9 which is maybe the highest in entire game - higher than primarchs. Hard-counter to meme lists focused on expensive panic3 phosphex rapier spammers or fear+panic(2) flamethrower spammer lists when your 10man termie brick passes 100% of its status tests easily on center objective.
The WS5 dreadnought with 7 wounds is essentially a Panic(3) flamethrower since it has Fear so it can kill one unit in melee while it feared another off the board on the way over - the WB dread would be fair even if it only had claws + panic3 flamer, but it also gets the plasma cannon it can shoot in addition to the flamer and meleeing shit, so it's easily S or A tier.

Erebus is kinda gay (fuck him) and Gal Vorbs are probably 10% overcosted (they're basically just fear1 tanks who are faster than terminators, they have no hitting power by themselves but can be joined by other stuff like Argel Tal who adds 3.5" movement and AP2 threat, or Lorgar for super-hammer beatsticking) If they were fairly costed, they'd probably be kinda overpowered considering how much essentially panic 3-4 the wordbearers can access.
The +1 combat res thing is just a nice bonus and if it saves your army like 50 points on standards, it's done much more than the dark angel one that is worth 0 points.

>>96333493

Fuck, that IS way more than it should be. They massively overvalued having a Breaching 5+ Plasmagun that doesn't need to overload. That should be 15pts max. I still think they're better than the TSon's special flavour of Plasma, since D2 only matters 90% of the time on Terminators, and being Breaching 6+ makes that impractical.

The Tainted Weapon is still okay though, sure it's 5pts more than a Power Sword, since this game literally can only seem to do things in 5pt increments, but Phage (S) on a weapon that's freely available to anything that can have the Sargeant melee and Officer list (which includes Vet Assaults I think? Doesn't it?) has utility.

>>96333500

Yeah, but in a strictly Legends PDF sense; Procurators are ass.

>>96333487

I don't dislike the Ashen Circle, and some of their characters aren't bad. They're not great, but with the exception of Gal Vorbak they seem basically playable. Reaction's great, dreadnought is great, Lorgar is pretty decent even if WS6 stings.

They spend a lot on high leadership, which is less relevant once you start slapping Malefic on your big blobs of troops anyway, but it's not bad for elites.

>>96332742
>at 10ppm on an already 275 point squad of 5, its cheaper to just go for DWC or Retinue at that point
It must feel bad to have your units suddenly be worse than some other unit
>DWC
Aret there non-DeathWing companions? Dana Weston Chandler

>>96333517
breaching 6+ isn't impractical in the slightest on thousand sons.
Every TS unit uses Rending5+ so hits of 5 or 6 automatically breach 100% of the time.
So instead of AP2 dmg1 plasma guns with 24" range tzeentch can buy AP2 dmg2 plasmaguns with 18" range, which is overall a big improvement for killing terminators, definitely worth paying 5 extra points compared to a regular plasmagun that does half damage.

>>96333549

...man I keep forgetting they have that. For some reason I keep getting it confused with the Divination power that gives Precision 5+. Good call.

>>96333407
Not S5 bad

>>96333557

Yeah, that's a fair point. The real problem that's been pointed out is that they're MASSIVELY overcosted. Even more expensive than the TSons ones for some reason. If they were just treated as the sidegrade they are, then they'd be a viable option.

>>96333500
The Ashen Boys are competing with Phosphex which can do the routing job more effectively from a far greater range.

>but you need a siege breaker for that.

You need a character to bring ashen boys too, 1 siege breaker can bring 2 phosphex rapier and 2 phosphex arquitors. 1 cent can bring 4 ashen circle.

>but ashen circle can melee.
They're 20 points for an assault marine statline with what are usually bad power axes, phase (M) is fun but it'll almost never matter.

>>96333540
Don't worry, WB are the worst legion in the game for True believer spam so they actually need the high leadership.

>>96333177
>you couldn't spam it, and charging out of deep strike was a pipe dream in 2.0.
I bet Imperial Fists are so boring they know they could do terminator deepstrike spam... and chose not to
All terminators should be able to buy deepstrike like Fists could, I shall not be convinced of the contrary

>>96333301
>magical claw that makes you faster with no real world explanation
>should only activate if you mentally intend to attack with it
Or its an abstraction of a balanced, light, and/or exotic weapon that could be used for any myriad moves other than actual attacks that grant you an opening as +1 initiative.

>>96333096
>>96333031
One would think it was going to be Cataphractii the ones that became Siege Terminators. Nope, Tartaros.
I know both are viable, but I'd like it GW allowed it. It's such an easy change to make.

>>96333649
honestly if the RG player is paying for the whole claw just for the I buff, I'd let them have it

JAMES
GIVE ME PLASTIC ARQUITORS
AND MY MIDYEAR BONUS SHALL BE YOURS

>>96333555
from what I'm reading it seems there's a one psychic power cast by each unit limitation, but no limit on how many buffs one unit can receive?
Neither of the two psychic powers is a reaction. I can't find anywhere saying a unit can't be affected by two psychic spells per turn, just that a unit containing a psyker "may not USE more than one psychic power for a unit under their control" (no ban on receiving multiple)

If that's true
unit buffs itself with rending5+ during stage 4 of a shooting attack using corvidae.
second unit of a divination mage <18" away buffs tzeentch unit during stage 4 of a shooting attack with precision5+ (set fire groups stage)

stage 5-9 resolve batch of shots.
Dump every rending 5-6 that're all automatically precision onto enemy primarch. That's avg 3-4 wounds to a primarch from a 10man nerdplasma squad with buff, no matter what the primarch is hiding in.

>>96333661
They dont want a 4++ heavy weapon platform and thats for the best.

>>96333661
maybe they don't want Tyrants to feel (more) overshadowed

>>96333104
>>96333301
No way having Impact (I) in one weapon you aren't using grants the benefit to a different weapon. Otherwise having a hammer and a sword would always slow down the sword. And that doesn't happen

What weapons are you taking on your Siege Tartaros anyway?

>>96333681
Autocannons, unless you want to be a cool guy and show up in every /hhg/ OP, then you take plasma

>>96333668
>D1 artillery, so it can't kill VEQ unless it stops. Never threatens vehicles either
>AP5 Breaching 6+, so it barely threatens MEQ
Arquitors should be good even when you don't bring a Siege Breaker. Without him they suck. Good thing their Phosphex is barrage and longer ranged than Rapier phosphex, otherwise even then would they be outclassed by Rapiers. Right?

2650 pts of traitor Iron Warriors. The Assault Veterans aren't actually Assault Veterans but I wanted to put the cost of my Veteran Breachers into the list since NR doesn't have them yet.

Veteran Breacher squad - 290

215 – 10 men
15 pts for Power Fist on Sarge
50 pts 5x power mauls
3 Chain axes
10 pts 1 Lascutter

What do I do with the rest of my 450 points? Also, rate list pls.

>>96333673
>We need to remove options because otherwise we'd need to make Tyrants better...
>...and they MUST suck
Every hour that passes is an hour John French goes un-raped

>>96333681
Combi bolters

>>96333692
Are the plasma blasters the gun that comes in the plastic kit, or would they be a heavier one?

i am a 'hater' in all senses. i am calling for uncountable quadrillions to be hurt and for each cycle of their suffering to be stretched into a geological epoch

So what's the story with the individual MkII kit, is it exclusively going to be 10x models bundled with the disintegrator weapon upgrades or some shit instead of just the 20x? Think this will set a precedent for future Heresy kits, fewer infantry models for more options?

>>96333669

I swear, every edition, they take it turns to make one legion busted and another fucking trash and they decide via a dartboard. TSon's were NOT this good three years ago.

>>96333725
I bought one already, it was just 20 dudes.

>>96333725
Anon... It's for sale normally. The disintegrators are an online bundle. Did you even look?

>>96333737
>>96333739
It's nearly 6am, that's on me and I'll stand corrected

Why is the Reaper Autocannon just outright worse than a regular autocannon?

>>96333715
This is a plasma blaster

>>96333049
>>96333069
Print them lads.
These STLs are actually a bit different from the FW ones, woops.

>can actually have a squad of double barreled plasma shotguns with a couple doubled barrelled autocannons or heavy flamers
Based and DOOM pilled

>>96333748
Ok yeah those are the ones I thought they were, thanks.
Maybe I'll get a box of 10, buy some bits, and make 5 autocannons and 5 plasma guys to rotate between.

>>96333710
Oof

>>96333768
Go mixed squads

>>96333778
Simply not possible.
My autism does not allow it.

>>96333779
Your autism is boring and you allow it to make you boring

>assault cannons are now cataphractii only just as tartaros would have been able to take a full squad
Booo, hiss

>>96333747
Because there's no Twin Autocannon to act as a limit. It goes straight to Gravis, which is better.
Imagine I wrote the Underpowered Katana pasta, then here's my Reaper Autocannons stats:
FP3 S6 AP4 D2 Heavy (FP), Breaching 6
Lmao this would be so much dangerous than a plasma blaster

>>96333548
No there are only deathwing companions.
>>96333661
God i wish i could get siege cata, im building my tartaros as cata because they look so much cooler.

>>96333677
Thats two different rules, apples and oranges. -X to initiative is part of the weapons profile when using it. Impact(I) is a special rule of the weapon, and it says models equipped with it get a bonus to initiative on charges. Just like a model with a cyber familiar gets a bonus to INT checks. Doesn't even matter because in a duel they will just decapitation strike with the hammer.

>>96333757
Would if I had a printer.

>>96333805
>Because there's no Twin Autocannon to act as a limit. It goes straight to Gravis, which is better.
Ah, I see, that makes some lick of sense.

>>96333805
The auto canon is in fact a better choice.
I was very happy with them, they also make a great cheap AA unit as well.

>>96333812
>it says models equipped with it get a bonus to initiative on charges
Read again, then jack off before posting

>>96333831
You first, Combat Initiative Characteristic is the X modifier or "IM". That has nothing to do with Impact(X), a special rule. By your logic Impact(I) wouldn't function at all because talons are IM:I.

>>96333812
incorrect. Impact says it's either a rule on a model or a rule on a weapon. And when that model or weapon charges, it gets a bonus. It's obvious to everyone who isn't a retarded cheater that when impact is on the model, the model gets it on all weapons. When impact is on the weapon, the weapon gets the impact bonus when the weapon is used. Really very simple.

>>96333621
I'm not sure they're much worse than some, but their detachment truly is awful.

>>96333703
Little help?

>>96333669

You can also just use a squad of 10 Corvidae Seekers, who deal 3.33 wounds to a Primarch per salvo and can move and shoot. Any normal Marine character will probably die in one salvo, does slightly over 4 wounds to a T4 4++ target.

>>96333703
your list is everything gay and flavor of the month which is legal for iron warriors to take, wouldn't help you or play with

>>96333703
>>96333957
Veteran Breachers can take 4x Lascustters, fyi.
I know New Recruit probably won't let you, but you should consider that.
You also should consider turning the pintle mounted bolters to shrapnel bolters so you can get extra sources of pinning out.

>>96333982
My list is entirely models I have painted and played in 2.0, except the Vindicators and Veteran Breachers, given different roles. Autocannon Iron Havocs in 2.0 now become Autocannon HSS in 3.0. I have 4 different lists with different focusses, I want to know how this one looks, calm your tits.

>>96334011
>I'm not a waacfaggot because I painted all the waacfaggot units!!
Paint is not a magic coating which makes you any less of a piece of shit for making that list. If it was a non-kratos that was imbalanced you'd suddenly own that, you're a meta chaser.

>>96333991
Sorry for the double post, responded to anon before I refreshed. Yeah they can have 4 Lascutters, but what target am I footslogging up to and trying to slap 4 lots of 4 damage on? They're terrifying for the points, but also overkill for what the squad is going to be used for.

>>96334024
Show me on the LE2 where the Autocannon touched you anon

>>96334039
You put them in one of your rhinos, you drive them up to the target of your choice, you have them hop out of the rhino, you have them blast a hole in whatever you drove up to.

How the fuck do i disassemble models that i assembled using plastic glue???

>>96333487
>and their units are all bad apart from DWC.
And I, for one, am actually upset that Companions went from a one- or two-off dedicated bodyguard unit to being incentivized to just slap as many on the table as possible.

>>96333703
Wheres' your Master of the Legion? Also, give nuncio-voxes to all your tacs. Give a Decurion to the Kratos, and add searchlight and HK. You have a spare detachment so you could add anything you want, like a squad of Terminators or more tanks. Give all your tanks HKs

>>96334011
>Autocannon Iron Havocs in 2.0 now become Autocannon HSS in 3.0
Aren't they in Legacies? :(

>>96334089
they are, but they're not very good. They're like the only unit in the game with Ignores Cover though

>>96334070
You can't. You're just going to have to stick them on a shelf and have them look pretty and never play with them if you built them in a way you later regret

>>96333868
What's this got to do with not jacking off before posting, though? Bailiff, this man is evading the cum tax
RAW yes because Impact says "has a weapon with Impact", instead of "is USING a weapon with Impact". So bad :(

>>96334109
But then I'll have an odd number of marines!!!!

>>96334097
Does Ignores Cover also deny Shrouded rolls? Must've been looking for Ignores Cover in the wrong book idk

>>96334124
Even better

>>96334124
Tough shit. You built your models in a way you don't want to field them, they're either for display or for testing paint schemes, now.

>>96334153
FUCK FUCK FUCK SHOULD I JUST KILL MYSELF FUCK I FUCKED UP FUCK

>>96334183
>me when I make an easily correctible painting error

>play ultramarines
>play the ultramarines chant from Chaos Gate whenever it's my turn

It feels good to be superior.

>>96334240
Post your Ultras

>>96334240
Why is that pillar cuming for free?

>>96334211
>>96334183
>me amping myself up and still not even painting

Why are thousand sons players FAGGOTS?

>>96334348
because they got KNOTTED a long time ago and they're still sore

>>96334355
>rapes you

>>96334151
Ooh. Do you think it'll come up a lot? That your Lascannons and missiles will be attacking targets relying on cover?
Though I think Havoc Autocannons are doomed. A squad of 10 paying 60 pts to ignore cover of a weapon that only gets proper AP on a 6 to wound...

>>96334381
they get better if you make them Corvidae :)

>>96334386
What's that?

>>96334240
I love being the Legion that gets punted the most(I actually like Ultramarines).

>>96334399
a 10pt upgrade that gives them this power

>>96334414
>Rotor cannons? WTF are they gonna do?

>>96334431
Nothing. That power is for magically making a gun into a laser beam by what everyone here thinks, instead of just landing an extra two or three breaching hits in actuality

>>96334381
>Do you think it'll come up a lot? That your Lascannons and missiles will be attacking targets relying on cover?
Not right now.
The current terrain rules have people mostly playing with light terrain, and is it really worth 60 points to ignore a 6+?

>>96334489
Only someone incredibly retarded would only run light terrain, and only once when their entire army gets blasted on turn one by a shooting army. Having it easy to get LOS blocked by terrain is a good thing retards, especially when everyone is complained about melee getting nerfed.

>>96334070
Sprue clippers?

>>96334581
>Only someone incredibly retarded would only run light terrain
Yes, /hhg/ is retarded.

>>96329187
Groovy

>>96334489
>The current terrain rules have people mostly playing with light terrain
What a terrible idea

It's just Phosphex that is the problem, right? Regular quad mortars are ok?

How would Dusk Raiders look if they had the same rusted bone/off white color as the death guard instead of the storm grey??

>>96334240
I listen to that while painting Blood Angels, it’s so good

ULTRA-MARINI NO-DELETE-Y

Struggling to choose between the secondary weapons.
The concussive resonator has twice the chance to apply stun and slightly better ap, but the different between ap4 and ap5 seem negligible to me as secondaries would mainly apply to troops.
But the photonic incinerator could apply panic which seems more useful since it could make the enemy route and be either off the board or shot down before they regroup

>>96334751
Regular quad mortars are 5" blast that causes 2 hits per model covered each and still wound on 3s like the phosphex. If you are seeing the target or someone is spotting for you, you are probably going to kill more with them than the phosphex.
They scatter more for indirect fire but it's not like the phosphex ammo is accurate either
Phosphex Panic3 is really fucking useful tho

>>96334751
Sure phosphex is the problem. The problem of it not being AP2 that is. Do it again, Siege Breaker Harris

>>96334832
No soup for your lady

>>96334751
I think one unit of phosphex is fine, 2-3 mortars. If you take more, then frag is fine for the additional. Not being AP3 breaching Panic 3 is fine, even with 5".

>>96334751
I dont think phosphex is a problem.

>Regular quad mortars are ok?
A bit weak imo.

>>96334463
It makes half your hits (more actually) AP2 when used with a breaching weapon. As opposed to the usual 1/6th.

>>96334039
Tanks and dreads.

>>96334931
Yeah, that's fair.
Since I have a Siege Breaker and don't own any Arquitors yet, instead of using Ironfire (IW) I'm running his detachment which requires both support slots to be rapiers, and I didn't want to waste a slot, so I've got 2x mortars in each of those.
Maybe I'll make him only upgrade one pair and have the other pair be regular mortar only.

>spent the whole day NOT writing a list
how's your weekend going?

Night Lords players: What's the biggest cock you've ever taken?

We're approaching maximum silliness, two arms out.
I need my stickytac before I can make final decisions should I have a giant plasma cannon on the arm and a smaller bombard or 2 plasma bombards?

>>96335231
You know you can just do it in 10 mins tops using NR right?

>>96335231

Building Recons/Effrits/Mors Deythans for my Alpha Legion. Did a guy for my Augur Squad later on too.

>>96335402
i use 2007 excel spreadsheets on my windows vista laptop to track everything i want

>Range is too short to join any shooting unit
>No jump pack so can't join assault squads/Dark furies
>No Bitter Duty so can't go in Destroyers
Where does he go? Despoilers?

>>96335517
Into the wastes with a lonesome guitar playing.

>>96335575
https://youtu.be/-NuX79Ud8zI?list=RD-NuX79Ud8zI

>>96335517
What even is that armor?

>>96335585
Artificer MkVI, most likely

>>96335415
nigga on the right about to die lmao

>>96335585
Mk6, fancy mk6

>>96335366
Starting to look like a Atlan mech from Doom

>>96335517
He can join furies, its jsut theyre so dang fast. You cant mix primary unit types(infantry, cavalry).

>>96335585
He was supposed to be Alvarex Maun(picrel), a RGs literal Master of Descent, but they cut him for Kaedes Nex to make MoD DLC and Nex appeared in a BL book. Maun had a Nightfall Pattern Stratovox, Nexs backpack. Plus the model is mirrored and the raven is facing the wrong way. Add on Nex' official art is generic MKVI covered in tally marks.

>>96335517
I've used him twice, alone and he worked wonders. I stage him in spots where a move react will obscure him. Shotgun Recon marines might be hilarious though.

>>96335704
Right, but if you join him to a jump pack squad you basically remove their jump packs, and at that point just buy a command squad
>>96335723
Maybe you just infiltrate him with Seekers and Alpha Strike their characters off the board

While we're on the topic of Dark Furies, what's the point of buying a second Sergeant? He's identical to the regular dudes but +1 Ld. Seems pretty pointless as an upgrade, sicne you already have one Sergeant for the Ld buff anyways

>>96335767
>what's the point of buying a second Sergeant?
Matches the kit, but I also think they forgot to give them the champ sub type.

Thank you to the Anon who helped with how to equip these dudes.

>>96335767
>>96335797
Because gw didn't actually think through 3e changes/change stuff from 2e to take them into account.

>>96335821
What's the plasma-looking gun??

>>96335239
Just because someone plays night lords doesn't mean they're gay, anon!!!
**7 inches.**

>>96335828
Phased plasma fusil

>>96335597

That's the Saboteur, and somebody is.

>>96335828

Phased-Plasma Fusil, perhaps the best plasma gun below superheavy size. Three shots, S5 AP3 D1 Breaching 5+ out to 24".

>>96335847
>>96335867
I guess the rules finally fit the lore of the mechanicum keeping all the best toys for themselves

night lords or thousand sons???

>>96335883
Thousand sons :^)

>>96335957
Why?

>>96335962
Because they're cool

>>96335962
You think legions look best when painted hot rod red.

>>96335878

At least at the level of infantry firearms, yeah. They are surprisingly lacking in heavy anti-tank, although I think the big lascannon thanatar might be better than it looks since it also has a Pinning (2) secondary weapon. Sadly, I don't think anything that isn't a vehicle can split fire by default, or I'd be a much bigger fan.

>>96335883
Night Lords, because loyalist Night Lords are fun.

>>96336010
Why? You some kind of boot licking corpse worshipper?

>>96336026
Feeling righteous while flaying civilians beats feeling persecuted while flaying civilians.

It’s sort of strange and interesting coming from 40k where the Ultramarines are the posterboys/“main characters” to them being off to the side doing their own thing in the Heresy.

>>96336158
It's just that Ultras are generic and boring. It works fine when you need a blank representative of the entire SM faction in 40k, but when every army in the game is SM then the bland guys are boring

Jesus Christ that's a lot of rules

And it somehow gets worse on the next entry

>>96336158
Yeah in HH, they just are on the sides. They aren't like active on the larger side of the war.

the end is nigh

>>96335883

Army Lists are pretty flexible this edition. You could do a Night Lords army with a Thousand Sons allied detachment (or vice versa).

I've been trying to figure out why I don't like these besides them looking kinda lanky and the dumb nodules. It's because there's no power cable.

Will people look at me strange if I use leftover Noise Marine bits to kitbash a Kakophoni Squad? Assuming I can get the arms in the right place lmao.

>>96336441
No. I'd straight up just use the noise marine kit and swap the heads and backpacks.

>>96336441
the only real difference is the new noise marines are on larger bases (40mm) compared to 32mm of actual noise marines. But pretty much nobody would actually care since they're just a small shooty unit, not like the larger base actually helps them in any way. They're not an aura-character or something.

>>96336269

Well, it's only the stock Abeyant Archmagos rules plus the usual two for a unique character's custom gambit + special power. Archmagi on the big chairs just have a lot of stuff going on.

>>96336440
Easy fix.

>>96336440
The thing is huge, there's plenty of space inside. No human arm in there. And the studs look great too!

Had fun at the first day of Summer Slaughter in Piscataway. Game 1 (in 2.0) vs Word Bearers went well, 31-11. Highlight was Argel Tal killing my praetor in one turn, then my Immortal Sgt challenging him and surviving 3 turns after. Game 2 I had to fill in in 3.0, and unfortunately my list had quite a large points handicap but… I still managed a clear win. 16-9.

>>96336519
Larger bases means less hits on you from blasts and templates, so yes its modelling for advantage.

>>96336711

I admit my first thought looking at that photo was "wow, that's a big Drop Pod". I suppose if you can only Deep Strike one unit a round in 3.0 you might as well make it the largest one possible.

>>96336711
Classic Immortals, can't even die when they're supposed to. Cab you recapt the 3.0 game?

>>96336723
I thought the same thing, maybe to deep strike a Knight or Warhound. But upon closer inspection, it's actually that one ababdoned horel in North Korea (Imperium Secundus)

Im helping my dad out since hes trying to get into Warhammer.

Currently he has

Geigor Fell Hand
Praetor with axe
2 squads of 10 Tacticals
3 Saturnine Terminator (i gave him half of mine)
1 Saturnine Dreadnought with conversion beamer and graviton pulverizer
1 Sicaran Venator

What would be a balanced thousand sons list to play against him? I want to teach him to learn the game but im worried ill blow him up too quickly or make it too easy.

>>96336743
I was thinking of running
Amon
Prosperine sorcerer
10 khenetai blades
10 man tactical squad
10 man Autocannon squad
Contemptor Osirion

And some other stuff im not sure about yet.

>>96336743
Looks pretty well rounded all things considered, aslong as you bring something similarly varied without any of the broken combos it should be fine. His ICs don't reslly have s home and he's plauing a SW army with zero melee units, so he won't really have a trait. Maybe have him play them as IF instead? (Call Geigor a praetor)

>>96336743
>>96336752
Should be fine really. Whilst not perfect, the unit balance in 3.0 is close enough that you can't unintentionally curb stomp your opponent because you brought one too many dreadnoughts or something.
The only possibly overbearing unit would be the 10 man TS autocannon squad if you give them the rending 5+ buff, but if that saturnine dreadnought puts that conversion beamer blast on them they're gonna die real fast so should be fine.

>>96336769
Yeah i was worried about that too. Ill shrink them down so they're less scary.

>>96336767
I could say that but my dad thinks space wolves are really cool so its probably not going to work. I could lend him some unpainted assault marines from my Night Lords army.

>>96336783
Or i could tell him to run one tactical squad as grey slayers

>>96336783
You could simply not give them the OP power anon. It's your dad's first game, not a torunament. Foght the TS player asshole instincts

>>96336794
Thats also true i'll shelve em for now. Bring them out when hes got a little more.

>>96336810
fresh bread
>>96336810
I forgot to change the edition because
>>96336810
I didn't post enough models last thread

>>96333001
no jet pack options for magi is a crime to the machine god

Post what your working on. It's Saturday night and your home alone, you are working on models... right anon?

>>96333071
bbbut gggoonhammer wrote that footslogging cataphractii is the way to go in 3.0...

>>96336827
it might actually be... for white scars. With 12" moving cata terminator bricks (6 + 2" for passive + 4" from stormseer which doesnt count as rushing) and Fast(2) on first turn for 2" extra charge distance. Being white scars, they also setup +2" instead of +1" of normal terminators, so 14"+highest of 2d6 threat range (often 19"). You can also juice it by having a jetpack character jump in front of the terminator brick and join it at the end of his movement, adding 3.5" more to the threat range (coherency+base size) for around 22.5 inches of threat for each heavy terminator brick.

And stormseers are just 105 points, so a lot cheaper than buying landraiders for each brick. They also are command so they create extra detachments for your army, instead of costing detachments like transports/landraiders would.

>>96336978
oh I forgot to add the fast(2) to charge range, so more like 21" which a character leapfrogging the squad can increase to 24.5" on first turn

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>>96335366
Maximum dakka. He's going to look like a mini warlord titan.

>>96336585
And if you have a local guitar shop, odds are they'll just GIVE you scrap of it. That's how I get mine.