Thread 96330067

Kaiju rule the earth edition

>Build Divide
>Force of Will
>Final Fantasy TCG
>DBZ CCG
>Wixoss
>Keyforge
>Gundam
>Legend of the 5 Rings (L5R)
>Digimon
>Flesh and Blood
>Gate Ruler
>Battle Spirits
>Ashes
>One Piece
>The other DBZ game
>Sorcery
>Doomtown
>Warlord
>Magi Nation
>Lord of the Rings
>Neopets
>The Condemned CCG
>Grand Archive TCG
>Disney Lorcana
>Hubworld: Aidalon
>Earthborne Games
>Riftbound
etc.

Post about card games you've played and help other anons get to know your games!

Pastebin/Rules for some games
>Wixoss
https://pastebin.com/LC8SpttH
>FoW
https://pastebin.com/aGEBEKeF
>Dragonball GT SD
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Pj_0YeUXI5g4XyKwbAXJuZCGt3qWJwyp
>Gate Ruler
https://pastebin.com/nbcZP0nB
>Build Divide
https://pastebin.com/1cQT2pkz
>FaB
https://rentry.org/oypcs
>Ashes Reborn
https://pastebin.com/2jr0EG9S
>Netrunner
https://pastebin.com/g3yQAQ7w
>Fusion World
https://www.dbs-cardgame.com/fw/pdf/rules/fw_OfficialRule_Manual_en_v1.00_2.pdf
>Various Japanese CCGs without western translation (page is in moonrunes)
http://card.g1.xrea.com/tcg/catalog.html
>The Condemned CCG
https://pastebin.com/Liu2E7Rq

voice chat for playing /acg/
https://discord.gg/rCQFKcGcEP

>Previous Thread
>>96294063
>Thread Question
What game mechanic innovations do you wish were reused more? For me it's the Chrono Clash Gauge (aka Memory Gauge).

Godzilla Cardo Game (this time with effort put into it) was a respectable boxed game that offered its players to engage with the Chrono Clash Gauge for a delightfully balanced approach to boardstate ramping. Bandai's new system allowed for subtle turns that simply fly under the radar to be hedged against grandiose ones that get loud and are full of mayhem; how you interact with the swinging pendulum of power is up to you. The system was of course later picked up and used with Digimon, where the Memory rebranding made plenty of sense and fit the theme of monster battles suitably. It has sense then been heralded as a great innovation in card games and makes the power struggle a dynamic one rather than formulaic.

Godzilla Cardo Game (this time with effort put into it) was a respectable boxed game that invited players to engage with the Chrono Clash Gauge for a delightfully balanced approach to boardstate ramping. Bandai's new system allowed for subtle turns that simply fly under the radar to be hedged against grandiose ones that get loud and are full of mayhem; how you interact with the swinging pendulum of power is up to you. The system was of course later picked up and used with Digimon, where the Memory rebranding made plenty of sense and fit the theme of monster battles suitably. It has since been heralded as a great innovation in card games and makes the power struggle a dynamic one rather than formulaic.

BandaiCHADs run this general

>>96330131
I created this OP in honor of Anno's Shin Godzilla rereleasing for theaters internationally in 4k. Worth the trip to a proper digital projector, I can tell you.

Gundamfags, how are we feeling about this chad in Zeon/OYW mirrors?

>>96330319
Really annoying ass card especially if they put Wufei under it.

>>96330403
I've been playing it with Kira since he works with more units.

>>96330131
Gundam posters let the thread die again and didn't bother to bake & link. You hate to see it.

Guardian players, what are you brewing now that you got a huge class update and a spotlight feature hero on the horizon?

>>96330319
He's in my Green Red Zeon Aggro pile.

Which btw, my sub 20 dollar pure aggro deck took first place at my locals. Enjoy your 400+ dollar gundam decks, turning cards sideways faster than you wins the game.

>>96330891
Milling seems like the most fun so far for guardian. Fab doesn't have a lot of good counters for that. Bravo's guaranteed dominate puts him above the other guardians imo. They things that they do impress me far less than that.
As for what you implied by posting a potion: how potion dependent will the minmaxed guardian decks be? I honestly can't tell yet. We might not even need them at all. I have to do a lot more testing to find that out.

>>96330319
How would be the ideal way for the game to replicate the Jet Stream Attack? As a command? Tokens?

>>96331040
Aggro is for gay homosexuals thoughbeit

Should I redownload the Fusion World client?

>EX Resource
>EX Base

What does the EX stand for

what's the best starter deck?

>>96332014
Extra?

>>96331963
And on that note, is there anything stopping me from just buying a bunch of codes for booster packs off of TCGPlayer?

>>96332088
Just do it if you want. I assume card codes are pretty cheap still. Set 1, 2, and possibly 3 at this point are expired though so if you need those you'd have to spend in game gems.

>>96332068
Genshitpact and its consequences have been a disaster for the otaku race.

>>96332098
I was thinking I'd get some for SB1, Set 4, and 6 and see if I can get enough of the cards I need to build Manga red Cell.

>>96332121
I don't even think you need anything from set 4 for Red Cell. You'd want 4 SR Android 16s from FB06 and then everything else is from the manga set.

WHAT IS THE BEST STARTER DECK

Got back into TCGs pretty big this year. Do most of you travel for these games cause at least in my town there isn't a local scene for anything that's not Magic, Yu-Gi-Oh!, Pokemon, or the Bandai games.

>>96332102
Even as a degenerate weeb the AI generated AI art is starting to become stale.

>>96332290
>Magic, Yu-Gi-Oh!, Pokemon, or the Bandai games
Join us brudda. Join us and play Bandai

>>96332274
This one, I think

>>96332068
>in a world overrun by furries...
>one man seeks to venerate his Amablom shipping center...

>>96332384
This one's a good starter for lucklets. Real men went to the jungle. Just flip four heads in a row to win.

Need an answer

>>96332616
Either Heroic Beginnings or Seed Strike

>>96332616
Who cares, you can't buy any of them right now.

>>96332642
Such a Doug answer.

>>96332642
I wanna test them on here - https://www.wingtable.net/gcg/quick-match

But thanks for the reply
You Gundam players are really nice

>>96332016
Wing or Zeon.

>>96332656
>You Gundam players are really nice
And they own the thread. Remember that.

>>96332642
is he not on fucking wingtable?

>>96332360
I play Gundam and am looking into getting into Union Arena and Digimon. I would like to get into Grand Archive, Final Fantasy, WiXoss but there is no locals near for those.

>>96332656
Then test all of them and draw your own conclusions?

>>96332719
Why you drawing this out? You know more Gundam than me. Mention the answer or just ignore and let someone else answer.

Already got my answer so I'll move on.

>>96332727
Don't mind the anti-bandai sperg, have fun bro

Wingtable AI is too dogshit.
It will make you think your deck is significantly better than it actually is.

Need me a bitch who plays tcgs

>OP banlist was supposed to be announced today
>suddenly gets delayed to the 20th
Very weird. People are speculating they may be doing an emergency ban on Blue Nami because the set coming out next week has this card, which is basically a better version of a card they already banned because of being too good on that deck.

>>96332761
it's great tool to learn the game regardless. if you feel like you've got a good grasp on the game, then test your mettle on zumbosim.

>>96332771
>goy-slaying statue doesn't even have 3 blueeyes whitedragons on it
Weak sauce.

zumbosim is ugly asf LOL

>>96332822
can you make a better sim then?

>>96332822
Yeah it's quite bad but you gotta work with what you got, I guess.
>>96332832
No but doesn't change the fact that Zumbosim is shit. Why even bother making one if you're not going to make a good one? UI is terrible, it uses times new roman font for christ's sake, in browser, requires Discord log in, etc.
Game needs an OPTCG style sim.

>>96332843
iirc there's a gundam sim that's being developed in the vein of optcgsim called gundsim. i'm fine with waiting for that and playing with the next best option. as long as it works fine, then i've got no complaints. if you think a sim can be made in a reasonable timeframe that outdoes zumbosim, then by all means make one.

Earthborne Games team got together to show off how an 8 player draft of Hubworld Aidalon shakes down. We have a bevy of new cards to spoiler, with the tiny asterisk *NOT FINAL CARDS!

These are three of the alternative Seekers for their respective colors. One person had the second green Seeker in his draft pool but they didn't pop it on screen; sorry. Very cool to see what the other archetypes are going to be in their respective faction.

>>96332290
a lot of these games only get 4 people for locals but I have two stores I dont mind visiting in my city and that gives me access to:
mtg, FAB, Universus, Yugioh, Sorcery, OP, SWU, Gundam, Lorcana, Fusion & Pokemon
@ 1 and the other:
Pokemon, mtg, Gundam, SWU, Lorcana & Digimon

UA used to exist but I don't see it on either August event calendar idk what happened.

What are the main reasons for other TCGs not having the same staying power as Yugioh, pokemon, and mtg? Is it just people sticking to what they already know, oversaturated market, or what?

>>96332980
To save you the hassel of having to watch a very long video with brief card pops, I compiled all the cards flashed.

At last we get to see more of what the old blood of Aidalon can do. There's some excellent economy and control happening here. I really like how green's shaping up.

I wanna run Wing but so are all of my fucking locals.

So, what modifications to a Wing deck would make it blow out the mirror?

>>96332999
$$$
TCG's are one of the most expensive hobbies, way worse than wargaming fmpov and I've done both
so once you are invested in one of the big3 why would you play a smaller game, with less prize support, less opponents meaning less players at your deck/skill level, less events, more likely to die, harder to find events, etc
all of those downsides while invalidating the massive investment you already made in $$$ and time to git gud?

what are the best sims?
sims that make you go "god i wish my game had a sim like that"

>>96333000
Checked.

The street urchins are no surprise, dickass thieves. Their strategy is cheating in stuff and stealing what isn't nailed down. Purple is going to be a highly splashable color I suspect.

>>96333119
Last but not least we have fewer of these two factions to spoiler, but they were the most represented in the revealed cardpool so it evens out. I greatly look forward to building a blue deck, their strategy is centered around hiding their dirty laundry in the trash, and forcing the enemy to discard cards to gain the same weakness. Only with blues, they excel at protecting their secrets. Orange is just straight value and evasion, another highly splashable color.

Green/Blue are specialized and unorthodox, Purple/Orange are fundamentals based

Gonna play Zeon/Neo-Zeon Midrange at locals today.
Is it just worse U/R ping? Almost certainly. Do I care? No.

Can't Gundam guys just make a general on mecha board for their card game? Even poke fags have the decency to do that.

>>96333444
>why can't the people talking about an alternative card game take their alternative card game to a place that isn't the explicit thread for alternative card games
Pokemonfags do it because they're not alternative and have an entire board for their singular franchise.

>>96333444
threads still last multiple days
what's the issue

>>96333298
You should just play green/red aggro because no one will stop you.

t. went undefeated every time with my shit aggro deck

>>96333898
I don't like aggro.
I like making decisions not mindlessly turning cards sideways at shield/base.

>>96333905
Sounds like you don't know how to play aggro well.

>>96333912
Whatever helps you sleep at night. Aggro players are brainlets.

>>96333905
>>96333912
>>96333920
Considering first place promos for Gundam are all like 30-60 bucks, it just sounds like you hate free money. Aggro is objectively the best deck in the game right now and you should capitalize on it.

>>96333898
That's not because aggro is unbeatable, it's because everyone is a shitter with no grasp on their win condition and playing aggro makes you the sole exception in the room (your win condition is hitting base over and over)

>>96333953
I got the jegan when i won my first locals which was going at $30 minimum last time i checked so at least it seems like the prices can only go up from there with higher rarity stuff

>>96333492
>Pokemonfags do it because they're not alternative and have an entire board for their singular franchise.
Gundam also has a board dedicated to it.
I m ok with Gundam being here but there is probably enough posts to maintain a general there.
>>96333905
There are lots of decision making in Aggro.

How cooked am I with this list at a locals? My supply of cards is limited to the starters and a few packs I grabbed of Newtype Rising from events. I'm thinking of swapping the Witch and the Brides for Unforeseen Incidents, but I figured I should ask for opinions too. I've got two Zeon and Seed decks, a Wing and Heroic Beginnings deck, and the stuff cracked from packs to work with, which isn't that good aside from getting 1 each of the LRs I've included.

>>96335040
The thread on /m/ has been up for two days and has 7 posts, including a mirror of this one.
>>>/m/23446401

>>96335101
*not including

>>96332999
I mean I wish more people posted pulls card openings or old collection buys but most people just like discussion here. Like the other guy said most people only have so much money for hobbies and cards aren't a huge priority when you're either getting scalped or screwed by pack RNG.

Is this overkill or do you think with this I should be able to pull the cards I need to build a couple new decks?

>>96335493
might be able to make a deck that you like. manga booster has a lot of good red and yellow cards for the 2 most popular decks right now. i think rival clash has a decent selection of greens / blacks as well

>>96335641
I'm hoping to get the cards necessary for Manga Cell specifically. Been wanting to build androids it sounds like unga than a green deck.

>>96335668
Cell is pretty giga and i believe the majority of the cards required are from the manga booster, should be able to get a lot of them from that amount of packs

>>96332980
>>96333000
>>96333119
>>96333185
I can't wait for this to come out. Green & blue for me. I wanna stonewall a mother fucker by cornering the market and stacking obstacles.

Cash rules everything around me
CREAM, get the money
dollar dollar bills, y'all!

>>96335101
Run as many Unforeseens as you can Unforseens>Close Combats. 2 Energy for 2 Damage is shit. Only good for bursting. Negating 3 damage for 1 energy is really fucking good in comparison

Good evening, I fucking love fab.

Yes, let us have a look here at the latest meta metrics. There's 10 rangers in a 417 person tournament. That's a staggering 2.4% of folks repping the worst class. Good luck out there, archers. You're going to need all that you can get

P.s. there's exactly one more Brute out there than Rangers, topping at 11. I feel deeply that they've also been left in the dust lately. My two favorite classes, so far from grace.

>Visit a store on someone's recommendation So I can find someone to play the Hololive OCG with
>Find two dudes playing the FFTCG, one of which I'm pretty sure has been playing since day one since he had stuff cards signed by the game creator and qualified for nationals multiple times
>He let me borrow a deck when someone else came in (I got wrecked)
Not only did I get word of a weeb gamestore I got to experience a game I only know about from here. Didn't like how the mana and end of turn hand size limit ate at my hand but I still had a great time.

>>96332384
wasn't expecting to be hit by the nostalgia of the first ever sealed tcg product I was given

>>96331040
Can I have the budget list? The sets of multiple 40 dollar cards in every deck is keeping me off of getting into the game in paper.

>>96333298
>>96333298
Update: I went 3-1
Beat U/W Blockers, U/R Ping, G/W Wing Zero Ramp. Lost to another U/R Ping that won the entire tournament that just drew perfect curve and had 3 Amuros.
I find getting high rolled in this game to be quite infuriating. You see only one card a turn so it feels like bullshit when they have a god draw.

>>96336161
Is moving to best of 3 enough to save it? Game clearly needs more draw anyway.

>>96336182
Probably but at the same time that was a 3 hour tournament and I'd rather not double that time commitment.

>>96335493
I just bought 120 SB01 and 150 FB04, and just barely got what I needed (including wildcards) for a tier 0 buu deck, which has about 12 SRs.

>>96335040
No, mecha as a genre has a board dedicated to it. Pokemon is a singular franchise, and the biggest one on the planet at that.
Funny enough, Yugioh sometimes gets threads on /m/ based on the various mecha-style cards they get though.

>>96335864
is the balance actually that fucked or is the fab community just really sheep-like?
did any of the heroes in the bottom half of that chart get to the end? or make top 8/16?

>>96336472
Generally, the best hero at any time is in the last set or two, and the age of a hero is inversely proportional to its chances of winning a big tournament.

Old heroes weren't LLing fast enough, so they went the yugioh rotation route (blatant power creep). The real shame is the community has dwindled enough you can't get any cards from BL onward from China.

>>96336355
This is what my list sort of looks like.

>>96332790
>first ban ever is Blue Cabaji
>they print a better version and expect it to not break Nami

>>96336472
>or is the fab community just really sheep-like?
I don't know what you mean by this, are you saying people are told what to play purely because of public opinion? Hardly, if that was true you would see way more quirky heroes represented. It's not a sheep problem, it's actually a wolf problem. It's all wolves at the top.

Top competitors are not generally class specialists, they play precisely what the top decks are. As another anon pointed out >>96336540
A new set generally introduces one "good" deck into the environment, if not several at once, and this upsets the ecosystem of how classes live and die by the numbers. Certain classes predate on others; simply put. Why is Gravy Bones is so popular? It's Shadow Illusionist, which is something that has historically been game warping and forces everyone else to play a different game against them. What are boardstate builders weak to? Assassin, Ninja and maybe soon Warrior. So in order to beat the top deck, you see an arms race of which predator can topple the current super predator. That's why you see numbers of heroes getting forced, because once the numbers from tournaments get published everyone follows the scent of blood on the air and plays what wins the most.

>>96332980
Solid work, that was a long video but a good one. I enjoyed hearing about the different decks they drafted but I wished they featured some better breakdowns of how they constructed deck, like ratios of obstacles, sources and moments. I feel like it goes exactly in that hierarchy, with obstacles being the most important because they're walls rather than speedbumps that sources tend to be. In particular I love the mentioning that johnny law in constructed often uses downsides of cards that self mill/discard to protect their assets off the top of the deck or hand. I didn't finish watching the final match but it looks like it was a severely close one down to the final activations determining who wins.

>>96336946
>>96335698
I forgot to mention I am going to play the enforcers as well. They have a really unique approach to the game that I immediately gel with.

>>96335748
Hmm. Alright. Should I tag out the W&B for 'em, or the CC? Any other suggestions for swapping stuff around?

>>96336090
I'm glad you had fun, anon. Do you think you'll go back? Do you think you'll start playing fftcg?

>>96336472
>did any of the heroes in the bottom half of that chart get to the end? or make top 8/16?
This is the first day, tomorrow we'll see a graphic that shows conversion rates on day 2 and then ultimately I'll post the top 8 bracket to track who made it.

>>96336764
bandai being bandai
>>96336946
>Anus Only
This game is gay as fuck.

>>96336974
>Do you think you'll go back?
If I hear about a Holo scene forming there, I'll come back. It's pretty close to me

Do you think you'll start playing fftcg?
Nah. Like I said, not that big on trading things in for mana. Still an interesting game watch when you understand what's going on and I was reminded how good FF art is.

>>96337057
Brightest crayon in the box. You know that's an edit, right?

I hope one day Gundam gets cards for the fucked up original suits from the Extreme Vs games.

>>96337440
OPTCG has heaps of filler characters so MSV units will probably come in the future

>>96337440
I hope we get multiple sets with Advance of Zeta stuff in them.

So what's the turn out in your areas like? This is from one of the local card shops near me. Crazy that Magic is down to once a month for them.

I now kinda wish there was a Fusion World scene at my LGS. Game is in a pretty good place now and isn't terribly expensive to get into.

>>96337509
Wizards killed off standard and fucked up the 60 card formats so only commander is left

>>96337704
It's interesting, the competitive scene in general seems to be taking a back seat to the casual market. Every TCG has to have a Commande type format and good prizing hasn't necessarily correlated to popularity.

>>96332999
They are able to tank failures.
Yugioh has pachinko machines.
Pokemon has videogames and toys.
MTG has Habros and D&D.

>>96336114
I'll post it tomorrow morning

https://destinydraw.co/

Holy Scam

>>96338296
kek at the obvious AI shart
Look at the guy? Dragon? Or something behind the dude in the foreground. I legitimately don't know what's going on there. I think the AI tried to do another guy riding another dragon but it's all fucked up.
Also
>DESTINDRAW

>>96338474
He's just playing pretend dragon-riding, like kids with hobby horses.

>>96338296
>>96338474
why do the people who make this shit never have even the slimmest glimmer of creative vision

if my ass was making a soulless card game I'd at least come up with a setting you haven't seen ten thousand times, even if it sucks

>>96336871
>Everyone plays top tier not because we are sheep but because we are wolves
>Non meta decks are underrepresented, there aren't any class loyalists and top players just play the best decks indicates there's no herd behaviour.
Are all fabgots this retarded? Do they all think like this?

>>96336871
>betsy skin in the game
I will never complain about generic ai waifu if this is the alternative

>>96336540
>Old heroes weren't LLing fast enough, so they went the yugioh rotation route (blatant power creep).
How does power creep resolve the issue of old heroes not LLing fast enough? They print cards specifically for Heroes that fall behind? Doesn't that just bring them up to parity?
Are old heroes not LLing seen as a problem either to the community or LSS and why?

4 viable meta decks from the first set is kind of an amazing accomplishment, and probably won't last as more sets release, but I think it's especially impressive because looking at the cardpool makes you feel like Bandai very much misunderstood what specifically would end up being played (as happens to every new game).

>>96338673
The problem was that people weren't buying the new heroes and sets, not that the old heroes were weak. LSS doesn't gain anything from old heroes being good.

Guys I had to pass the turn. Do you the computer is gonna pull out a win? I'm nervous.

>>96338783
>Guys I had to pass the turn [...] I'm nervous.
average zeon player

>>96338670
I wouldn't complain about the AI because, even though it's obviously not AI that art is so badly made.
like ok, you want a ridiculous fat ogre lady fighter in your game? sure, whatever. gotta break the mold from time to time. I'll never rip on another artist for trying something a little ways off the well-worn road.
but what the hell is happening here? motherfucker did you never take a life drawing class. what the fuck in the name of cartoon human anatomy is supposed to be going on there? I get you cant always afford a model, but take 10 goddamn seconds and pose an armature to sketch off of when you're laying it out, fucks sake.

>>96338588
They're just doing it to try to make a quick buck. They couldn't give less of a shit about the creativity or art behind it. A lot of these AI-tard golems are probably straight up incapable of having a legitimate creative thought and probably fundamentally don't even know what creativity actually is. They probably relate more to denoising algorithms than they do to other humans, hence why they're so on board with AI.

>>96338787
Jokes on you. I'm playing Sayla and Char with Amuro screaming incoherently in the background

>>96338670
Any lesbians in FAB?

>>96338807
>>96338812
The art is fine but the card frames and graphic design are so awful.

>>96338474
>>96338588
lack of creative vision is a given, but the laziness is next level.
they're not just using AI art, but also not bothering to review it.

>>96338823
Don't underestimate how bad the layman's eye for art is.
Even if they did review it, they probably wouldn't notice anything wrong with it.

>>96338844
Uhhh... it's a winged armored guy with a dragon head puppet.

>>96338823
I mean, that's the whole issue with AI art. It's not that it's immoral (outside of the broader sense that the early movers trained their models by digesting content before anyone would think to require paid licensing to do so), it's that even at best it's bland, and bland art is bad.

Red Cell is such a horseshit, overtuned deck.
Fusion World is in desperate need of a ban list update.

>>96338972
>blocks your path

>>96338997
I mean they both should be hit but Red Cell pisses me off more. Does way too fucking much while losing no cards in hand. Like seriously every card in that deck either recurs something from the drop on play or draws, it's fucking stupid.

>>96338997
wow a leader card that is mechanically indistinguishable from every other leader card? what a rich and fascinating game fusion world is

>>96338670
Imagine the smell...
>>96338807
Cool art. I had forgotten about this ai scam tcg lmao

>>96338802
Also, that foreshortening on the hand looks like ass.

we really kicked these FAB posters out here

sadness

>>96338645
If it was influenced by popularity you'd see a different landscape. It's influenced by results, kill or be killed. You are disturbingly stupid if you can't figure that part out. One is based on subjectivity while the other one is pure objectivity. There I spelled it out for you, clear as day.

>>96339059
Constantly defecating on people makes them not want to be here? Holy shit! Who could've seen this happen? Maybe boardculture is the real cancer we made along the way?

>>96339044
>Cool art
>it's AI slop and you will never think about it ever again after closing the image

>>96339163
Retards like you make all words lose meaning.

meanwhile, the meta outside of the US

>>96339195
Source? I'm always curious how the Japanese do in card games. Feels like the last bastion of breaking homogeneous metas since the rise of the internet.

>>96336472
Balance seems fine to me. These are top WR results after day 1.

>>96339162
>Results and popularity have no correlation nor causation!
I guess fabgots really are that stupid. Don't mind me, carry on.

>>96339195
>Japan making shit lists
What else is new?

>>96339444
Popularity is subjective, results are objective. There's no debating this, it's objective fact.

>>96339444
Cool, you shifted your argument, so I guess you concede the point.

>>are fabians really sheeple? (swayed by popular opinion)
>no they're actually concerned with objective truth (results rendered through data not opinion)
>>Yeah but popularity is ALSO objective!

Oh I am laughing. Keep posting, I want to see the hole get deeper for you.

>>96339162
challenge: go entire thread with out fabfags crying and whining about something.
>failed yet again

>>96339816
lmao who's crying? You certainly seem to be emotionally perturbed by this enough to complain about it.

>>96339596
>>96339665
I don't even know what you retards are on about.
I didn't shift jack shit.

To be clear, I wasn't even the one asking the initial question but I think it was extremely clear what he was asking.
Are the playrates representative of the relative power of the heroes or are people disproportionately flocking to the best heroes in such a way that it isn't an accurate reflection of the balance of the game?

Yet instead of answering that extremely simple question with either
>Yes, X, Y and Z heroes are just that much better than the rest and that's why the vast majority only plays them.
Or
>No, A, B, C heroes are also very viable but the community is just that sweaty so everyone goes for the best no matter how small the advantage.

You retards chose to go on some retarded diatribe on how the playrates are driven by results as opposed to 'popular opinion'/
popularity and acting like they are distinct categories when any sane person will admit that results can be and often are a driver of popularity.

Inb4
>Nooooo popular opinion isn't informed by results

Retards

>>96339899
>I don't even know what you retards are on about.
I'm sorry but you have to read the posts that you are arguing with unless you want zero credibility.

>Are the playrates representative of the relative power of the heroes or are people disproportionately flocking to the best heroes in such a way that it isn't an accurate reflection of the balance of the game?
Yeah that was already addressed. I am not going to spoon feed you some one else's argument just so you can have a better understanding of it.

We have day 2 results. These are the metrics people are referencing when considering what to play.

>>96339975
>>96339980
ZERO rangers

ONE mech

ONE runeblade

TWO brutes

Is flesh and blood balanced? No, not really. Do people publicly believe it is? Yes. Do the facts reflect this? No.

>>96339957
Non response. I accept your concession.

>Tesla is an extremely popular stock with many purchases
>This leads to results in the form of stock appreciation
>But since popularity is subjective(???) and results are objective (???) it cannot be said that Tesla is a popular stock. People only buy it because it produces results.

That's how insanely stupid you sound.
Learn english better you fucking mongoloid.

>>96339996
Sorry correction, Puffin makes my eyes blur. Two mechs.

>>96339996
It seems okay to me. DIO just won a Calling last week. Azalea just LL'd. Brutes are about to get a set and an armory deck.

Marlynn and Puffin need some help, but then you'll have your Mech and Ranger representation.

I'm actually surprised that MPG managed to push 4 Guardians into day 2. Valda being brand new and Victor carried by Test of Iron Grip.

>>96340021
>Azalea just LL'd.
She did that without a single card's help from High Seas, deck had been 88% unchanged for years, it was the meta that was truly holding her back. Losing multiple runeblade heroes to LL shaking the meta up as well as the change to the multiplier let her speedrun the last pro season. Rangers as a class are placed back into the worst position overall, and it's hilarious how they just got a sprinkling of support in the previous draft set and it hasn't made any difference. But don't worry, Riptide will pickup the slack as the only viable option for the forseeable future.

>Marlynn and Puffin need some help
Yeah they're 70% pirate focused and only 30% splashing into another respective class. That means they live and die by future pirate support. Good luck holding your breath for that.

Let's be honest, any pirate support is off the table because of Gravy's performance. He's become public enemy number one overnight.

>>96339998
>>But since popularity is subjective(???)
>>and results are objective (???)
You asked to be spoon fed, so here it is. I hope this clears up your grade-school level understanding of the world.

>>96340139
>AI kek
No one is even arguing about that retard. It's about your false dichotomy you fucking imbecile.

Fagbots live up to their reputation once again.

>>96336971
1st Priority Cuts
>Zeon Remnant Forces
>Assault on Torrington Base
These are just bad cards.

2nd Priority Cuts
>Close Combat
>Battle of Aces
These are only good in ping decks. You are better of with units.

Moebius is a really bad card. A 1/1 Blocker doesn't do much besides delay. Any lvl 2 card is better than it. Which starter deck do you have?

>>96340157
You asked for it. You have zero comprehension of the subject. Your intelligence needs AI assistance, clearly.

This card feels like such shit to play. It only feels okay if the opponent is already losing badly. I feel like deck just run this if they don't have anything better. Speaking of shit. 1/1 tokens coming into play rested feels fucking awful. In most of my games they eat shit immediately. Why does Green get fucking screwed by rested tokens while blue gets their shit without being rested.

>>96340159
Huh, I had tweaked it to this based on some other feedback. Taking out ping for more bodies, and all. >>96335101 has my available decks to pull from.

I actually thought Torrington looked decent for sneaking more damage in on combats when my opponent's attacking me, too.

>>96340167
Alright, sure. Let's ask GPT-5 what it thinks about our conversation.

It read the entire convo word for word. I'm poster C and you're presumably B.|

>Poster B’s position — Logic issues:False dichotomy: Treats “results vs popularity” as mutually exclusive when results typically cause popularity (feedback loop), so play-rates can be both power-reflective and herding-amplified [C 96339899].

>Unsupported counterfactual: “If it were popularity you’d see more quirky heroes” [B 96336871] doesn’t follow—herding usually reduces variety to a few “known winners.”

>Poster C’s position — clarifies the real fork: either play-rates ≈ power or there’s disproportionate flocking; stresses that results drive popularity, so the categories aren’t distinct [C 96339899]. Uses a stock analogy (Tesla) to show results popularity feedback [C 96339998]. Early jab slightly caricatures B [C 96338645], but the later restatement is spot-on. Net: Correctly identifies B’s category error.

>Who “owned” whom (on logic): C over B. B’s ecosystem/predator framing is plausible [B 96336871], but it doesn’t answer the representativeness vs herding question and leans on assertion (“objective fact”) without data [B 96339596]. C pins the key mistake and recentres the debate [C 96339899, 96339998].

>Bottom line: The thread never supplies data; on reasoning alone, C wins for exposing the false dichotomy and cleanly reframing the actual decision problem.

KEK

>>96340238
>Alright, sure. Let's ask GPT-5 what it thinks about our conversation.
>KEK
we ought not ask the robot, you should be able to do this yourself

>>96340204
You mean Corsica Base? The only blue token generator?

I do agree that Gouf should have been cost 2, or made the token untapped, or been a 3/3 or Ramba Ral better. Mostly because I like Ramba Ral and I don't see any reason to play him or Gouf. Maybe the 08th MS Team Gouf Custom will be better.

>>96340204
I mean, if your rest token gets deleted, that's some other unit that isn't getting deleted instead. Conversely if you've got 3 other units on the table, Gouf can create a board with too many attacks for your opponent to deal with. But it's usually worse than playing 2 units on the 3 resource turn and worse than most permutations of the 4 resource turn, but sometimes you're sitting on 3 resources and it's Gouf or a 1/1 and then Gouf is clearly the best you can do.

>>96340269
>or Ramba Ral better. Mostly because I like Ramba Ral and I don't see any reason to play him
This is a fundamental problem with command/pilots in general, almost none of them see play.

>>96340258
I didn't need to as evidenced by my prior posts. Yet john fabgot over here wanted to ask an AI an irrelevant question as some sort of own.

Well two can play that stupid game and now you're getting blown the fuck out by your midwit level tactic.

I'm done for the day, I had my fun laughing at you and GPT-5 made me giggle.
Thanks for the laughs.

>>96340238
>>96340258
>proving his point
Sunday funday. Keep it up.

>>96340209
That extra +1 AP is only worth it if you are trading equally. You can do some cute shit with Moebius + Torrington to kill some 2 HP units early. But you are spending 2 cards to kill 1. But when you get to late game and mid game, That +1 AP falls off quickly.

You have the ST04? Kira+Strike should be an auto include.

>>96340292
Yeah the command/pilots seem extremely safe right now. Maybe if we get our first duplicate pilot names as command/pilots later.

>>96340269
You forgot White Base. Which also makes unrested units.

If you have 3 units in play when Gouf comes out and can attack with 5 units on turn 4. You were already winning without Gouf. This doesn't happen against Repair/Blocker decks having a decent game. Rick Doms just achieve what Gouf does better.

>>96340292
>>96340269
Don't even get me started with Ramba Ral. Worst Pilot + Unit combo in the game.

>>96340238
>modifies the argument so he wins
Classic.

>>96340332
Yeah, two ST04s and a Freedom from a release tourney I got tabled at. They seem higher level than I was going for to keep the aggro up, though. The gameplan is to go as close as I can to the RDW philosophy, y'know?

>>96340522
>C pins the key mistake and recenters the debate
Yeah and the ai even pointed that out

>>96339975
>>96339980
What exactly does this stat mean anyway? I don't get it.

>Played One piece with a couple friends for over a year
>We were all in agreement that it's fun and we will just keep playing until production for the game ceases
>Kept collecting and buying bulk so I/We could build decks more easily
>OP11 meta hits and they all move to Magic the Gathering
>They all play different formats
I can't do this anymore man. People who play card games are so picky and volatil.
At the same time though, I miss playing cards IRL so bad.

Thanks for subscribing to my blog.

>>96340942
First one is day 1 playrates and second image shows who is left and what percentage of each hero is left.
Seeing as there's huge variance in survivor percentage, highest 50% and lowest 4%.
Seems like heroes weren't picked purely on results.

>>96335101
>>96340209
You're trying to build a ZAFT deck but you don't have any of the cards. I get you're trying to work with what you have but just buy the ZAFT singles it's literally the cheapest deck in the game you can build with Assault Shroud and Buster Gundam being only $4-$5 each.

>>96341042
I replied to the same dupe post twice, so I'm not sure what the two images you mean are. Do you mean this as the first one? >>96335864
I still don't even begin to understand what "who is left" means.

>>96341162
Ah yes my apologies. I was referring to the other image.
The percentages show what percent of players of a given hero moved on to day 2 of the tournament. I thought that was self-explanatory.

>>96341188
Not if you're stupid. How does that work with Dash or Valda where there were only one player of each? What does 4% of 1 person mean?

>>96341217
Because 1 is 4% of 24 players? What the fuck are you stupid?

>>96341265
First of all, yes. Second, it's not explained in any of the images and I'm not generally a sportsball guy, so I couldn't have seen it anywhere else, which is the kind of origin I'm assuming given the lack of explainations. Third, it's just not very intuitive imo.
But I got it now, thanks.

>>96338807
When I first saw this game I thought it looked interesting but I read the rules and p sure it's YGO with literally 0 mechanical changes

>>96341449
I realised I misread your post
>>96341217

Sorry for my tone. Yes, it's not immediately obvious or intuitive especially if just looking at the day 2 image.

>>96341412
Oscillio on first is pretty nutty. The support card helped a bunch I see. Gravy is going to probably be in the finals at least, but it would be fun to see him get blown out of the water by a wizard.

Does Dash just race face against Necro? Grenades going off is the centerline strategy. Fortunately allies can't be blocked with.

>>96336472
>did any of the heroes in the bottom half of that chart get to the end? or make top 8/16?
1 Prism made it to top 8.
>>96341412
Btw, only 1 of the 4 most picked heroes made top 8. So yeah, kinda sheep-like.

>>96341520
>only 1 of the 4 most picked heroes made top 8. So yeah, kinda sheep-like.
Define sheep-like?

>>96341037
Why would they move to magic? The game itself is better than OP, but otherwise there's nothing to draw you, unless you're the sort of fag who thinks commander and fortnite are fun.

Sounds like your friends are fags, anon.

>>96341412
Is that dash player a cheater or a longtime vet who's stupid good or both? Pretty crazy to be 1 of 24 on the class who made it to day 2, and then make top 8.

Ninjas on suicide watch.

>listening to these two quibbling
Cringe incarnate

>>96341774
>Why would they move to magic?
2 of them like Final Fantasy and started playing arena because of it. They ended up liking the game a lot and started going to locals. 1 guy plays commander. 1 guy plays pre-modern because he likes how old magic cards look.
>The game itself is better than OP
Wouldn't say that but taste differs.

>>96342021
Let me rephrase - the gameplay has more decision points and interaction, it's not necessarily better or worse. And the cards themselves are probably equally bad in both OP (generic, boring) and magic (overturned)

>>96342137
>the gameplay has more decision points and interaction
It's very funny, some people on here will talk like the perfect game is a game that has the maximum possible possible card timings. If there's not a dedicated card timing to interrupt when a pawn is about to capture a bishop it's a bad game, with low player interaction and low skill ceiling

Gam on Engerland!
*bang bang*
Gam on!

I'm tired of watching Gravy Bones matches. I'm tired of watching him draw and pitch resources forever.

>>96341923
their staged argument achieved its intended outcome, which was filling yet another thread with a vomit of fabshit.

>>96342200
Boat finisher is ebin but I agree about gold/blue interaction being boring to watch play out.

>Everything Gundam still sold out everywhere
>Even One Piece wasn't this bad

Has the sleeping giant of weebshit awoken?

>>96342290
I don't think most people understand how truly autistic mechfaggots are spending thousands on plastic models. A few hundred bucks on some cardboard is nothing for them.

>>96342312
I JUST WANT SOME BIG ZAMS LEARN TO SHARE /m/ YOUUUUU FUCK!

>>96342312
I'm the opposite. I won't won't buy a card that's more expensive than its plastic kit.

>>96342238
That gives them more credit than they probably deserve. Their job is to entertain viewers and promote the brand, but what we got was arguing over if there is or isn't a King in charge of England right now. Duder said there's always a Queen in his heart before the match and congrats to the Queen's boy that just won afterwords. That's not a scripted moment, that's a telecaster choking. Plenty of British people don't even like the fucking royals.

>>96342336
The anon you're responding to thinks you're talking about the two random anons in this thread arguing about stupid shit and devolving into using AI, not the casters.

>>96342172
There's a happy medium somewhere between Magic's clusterfuck and the linear gameplay of many Bandai decks.

Yeah Aria kids are the favorite children of LSS. Verdance has gotten non stop support since she released.

>>96342290
There's a restock in a week or two, my LGS has already scheduled a sealed event.

>>96342493
>There's a restock in a week or two
May I quote you on this?

>>96342470
I'm surprised she took this long to get to top tier. Wizard burst + earth survivability seemed like it should have been tier 0 from the start. I guess the go-wide meta hasn't been kind to the playstyle.

So what is the rarest and the strongest gundam card right now?

Did they got full mellenial nostalgia bait and make it Wing Zero?

>>96342695
go-again should be what tramples earth, to be fair.

>>96330319
They never survive to attack a rested unit

>>96333298
I play a similar one but with zanzibar to increase my chances of paying just two for char's gelgoogs

>>96340204
Gouf is not there for you to make a comeback but to stablish a board

>>96342795
I keep feeling like Zanzibar is a trap. I cut it from my deck and just playing 4 Falmels now. It lets you cheat cost on Char's Gelgoog, but you have to have the Gelgoog in hand for that. More often than not, I only want Char's Gelgoog late game to close out when I have a billion resources anyways.

>>96342894
That's the way I feel about it too. It's only good to get out a Gelgoog for cheaper but like you don't really need to play a Gelgoog on curve at level 4.
I think Falmel also sucks though just because there's so much ping in the meta the tokens just get blown up for free.

>>96342903
They still had to spend resources on the token. The way I feel, there was going to be other shit they were going to ping anyways. "Dies to removal" has always been a bad argument imo.

>>96342914
>They still had to spend resources on the token
Except Kshatriya can ping 2 things and it's what they want to do on curve anyway and you're just giving them a free kill. I think 1 HP tokens are just bad due to ping being so prevalent and Char's Zaku II rare is the only token spawner I'd play just because it makes it sticky.

>>96342929
I'm saying they were always going to ping two things. If it wasn't the token, it would be something else.

>>96342941
Yeah something else that almost certainly has more than 1 hp and will survive the ping. There's a reason you don't see that base nor Gouf in lists, the tokens are just too easy to deal with.

>>96342952
Are you retarded? Like every OYW list runs 4 Falmel and about 50/50 on Goufs.

>>96342290
>Even One Piece wasn't this bad

You couldn't get set one of one piece for, like, three years.

Whats the wierdest shit you want to see in the Gundam TCG?

Me i want the PTSD white devil zeon soldiers hallucinate about from last years horror manga.

>>96342894
>>96342903
4x Zanzibar is fine if you are running Gyan and Char's Gelgoog. If you aren't running Gyan I can see why you would cut it. Putting up a base, picking up a shield, and putting a unit into play is a momentum swing in your favor. On top of that you can link the unit you put out the same turn and attack. Falmel is just slower and the Zaku II is getting chumped or ping'd. Zanzibar is only going to get better once we get more lvl 4 Zeon units.

>>96343026
Monkey Pilots from Crossbone. Nothing tops that.

OR an SD Gundam joke set.

>>96343056
On the topic of Gyan, they did that card fucking dirty when you look at Shenlong Gundam.

Winrate in Japan, from 256 tournaments. In order it's BG Zeon, GW Wing, BR ping, BW Unicorn, and then some random SEED decks.

Compared to a month ago, their new tier list is
>S tier: BG Zeon (up from C tier)
>A tier: GW Wing (down from S), RB ping (up from C)
>B tier: BW Unicorn (down from S)
>C tier: RG Zeon (down from S), BW Seed (down from B), and RW Seed (new)

>>96343076
What's this data compiled from?

>>96343104
https://g-set.net/gd01_1st-gcg/

>>96343076
>>C tier: RG Zeon (down from S)
it's never been so incredibly over..............................

>>96343075
It’s a level higher, costs more, and a rarity higher. Of course it is better. Zeon got fucked by Wing and Zaft eating up all of the LR slots.

>>96343199
>>96343076
Not sure how, most blockers suck ass and the game has really, really bad removal.

>>96339195
I've been liking GW Zeon/Char. Been playing around with this build. Not sure about the blocker angle since they most get turned sideways for extra hits. Also not sure if I trade out the Demi Trainers for more Zeon units for consistency with Char's Zaku/Gelgood but the filter is nice. Is there any point in running 2 AP units? I just don't feel like they do enough if they can't threaten the EX Base early on.

Is Zee Zulu Underrated?

>>96343495
AP4 and AP3 might as well be the same number when attacking a player. Can't one shot the most played bases and overkills the EX Base.

Maybe if it had any link.

>>96343495
I run it.
I like that it trades with Lfrith if they decide to block.

>>96343532
AP at least trades with most of the early blockers.

>>96335864
I was looking to try FAB, and Briar looks really cool to me. Is she remotely playable? I never see her in these result posts

>>96343446
Do you just never hit with your LR Char's Zaku II?

>>96343564
Actually hitting with Char is pretty consistent even with just the 13 targets. More often I feel like I don't have fuel for the Gelgoog discard.

>>96332290
I drive an hour to locals every saturday for GA because it take that long to get anywhere in metro-atlanta. Its only 20 miles away.

>>96332771
>Went to a TGS event with some friends
>First time
>Saw the expected assortment of awkward white guys, autistic children, greasy spics and obese blacks
>Also saw some unexpected regular dudes
>One guy brought his girlfriend
>7/10 - 8/10 blonde white girl
>Skinny, nice tits, tight black sleveless turtleneck piece, bored look on her face
>She actually played in the event tourny

It was pretty funny watching everyone stiff up around her. She was only around for the first round before her boyfriend bought some product and they dipped. Guy was your generic tall blonde guy. I would say he was handsome, not incredibly so but that might be me being a hater.

So what's the deal or Riftbound? Is it gonna be worth collecitng/playing? The art being ripoffs of LoR kinda fills me with doubt.

I love league but I don't love this. I might buy a box or 2 of the launch run and just sit on it honestly

>>96343555
She's in the top 3 or 4 best decks in the Living Legend format. In the premier format called Classic Constructed she retired years ago and isn't legal. So in both cases she's too playable (busted).

>>96330067 (OP)
you guys know anywhere i could get some gundam decks?

>>96343692
its going to pop off at launch if they don't fumble something, the opening set meta is in a bit of a rut right now but they may be able to play thru it.
>Sett is fucking crushing events for the past few weeks
>Everyone else is basically playing Watcher race

How difficult would it be to get into DBS masters at this point?f I like Fusion World and Masters is apparently better.

>>96343770
Do you even have locals? I couldn't play it even if I wanted to because no local scene.
That being said I know they just added a new color are going to. Not sure if that set has been released yet or not. Maybe just build a deck using the new color.

>>96343758
$160 for the set of 4 online on ebay?

>>96343760
Where are you finding the meta? That's very different than what I've been seeing.

>>96343692
Badly templated/written rules but otherwise looks like a winner, and the designers are already furiously errataing the rules to try and fix it, so may be better set 2/3. First set will be overly expensive for at least a quarter, and will remain so if they don't fuck up set 2. Core gameplay is fun and not just not!mtg.

>>96332771
>Spending habits of a women
>With tcg
Sounds expensive.

>>96343758
Wait for the reprints.

>Thinking about building a king piccolo deck in Fusion World
Would this be wise given how dominate Cell and Buu are? I have most of a Red Cell deck built.

>>96341520
>only 1 of the 4 most picked heroes made top 8. So yeah, kinda sheep-like.
The most represented because of hard numbers got into the top 8 in triplicate and ultimately won. That's actually classic wolf behavior.

>fans want him to walk the plank
Kek. Your move, LSS.

>>96344030
I think he's quite literally the worst leader in the game. Though we're pretty sure he's going to be getting an assload of support in the next manga set but there's no guarantee that the current support will even be good at that point so I'd just hold off on it.
But if you don't mind playing a bad deck then by all means go ahead.

>>96344043
Ok, I'll just hold off. Like I had said earlier in the thread, the game seems like it's in an actually good place now other than how strong these two leaders are, and the early looks at Wish For Shenron makes me think it's going in the right direction too. That said I'd like to build a deck that's still competitive but maybe not Buu or Cell.

>>96344054
Did you get any Gomah stuff in your FB06 packs? He's gonna be pretty strong next set I think but he does require two playsets of SRs from FB06.

>>96344059
I think I got Gomah himself. But I'm also sitting on like 50+ pack codes to enter for FB06 so I'll report back based on what I pull from those.

Japaneses sales rankings for July
Yugioh still struggling to get back into the top 3 (last time was April). It's so heckin' over, yugibros.
Gundam at #5 is pretty cool.

>>96344072
>no Fusion World when the manga set came out just 3 days prior to July starting
grim

>>96343687
At least a third of the people at my lgs playing Lorcana are females. Not all exactly beauty queens, but a few of them are cute.

So I plan on trying to take on the Newtype Challenge and was wondering if anyone had any deck tips

>>96344034
>Subjectivity: We all think there should be a Gravy ban!
>Objectivity: If I want to have the best chance at winning I should play Gravy Bones.

>>96344072
F in the chat for bushiroad. Complete wipeout except for weiss.

How much do you guys allot for cards?

I just dropped 800$ these last 2 months on OP. Went to a small event for the new set and actually had a good time. 30$ get like 5 packs, make a deck and talk to people.

I'm going to try and befriend these black guys cause I overheard them say they have the "hook up" for boxes.

At what price point to do you NOT use a card and instead save it to sell? I just pulled 2 kumas and while I want to use him I'm afraid of ruining the value even with sleeves.

>>96344391
Kuma is not going to be mega expensive like Katakuri and Rayleigh were, it's a solid yellow staple but there are currently no top meta yellow decks to drive the price up

>>96344145
How limited is your collection/budget? Most tournament decks I've seen tend to run two or three different pilot cards, with maybe one command card that can be played as a pilot, and assuming I'm counting it right you've got four and two respectively.
IMO cut Indignation, Fortress Defense, and Big Zam. Pick which two of Marida, MQ and FF you'd like to keep. Use the newfound space to bump up the pilots you kept and/or get more copies in of both Char's Zakus.

>>96344391
you posted the cheaper version

I'm looking forward to my year in Fukuoka, I hope they have a nice card game community I can play with, I'd like to get into gundam and I've heard card games are cheaper over there

>>96343818
>designers are already furiously errataing the rules to try and fix it
What have they changed?

>>96343199
>>96343314
They'reall running BG Zeon instead. The red zeon/neo zeon stuff just isn't that good compared to GOATmuro Rey.

>>96344553
Fairly limited, I'm basically relying on the starter, my beta cards and whatever I get from the weekly sealed drafts I've been participating in

Why do fab players always shit up the thread. What the hell was all that subjective/objective nonsense.

>>96345207
Define always and define shit up the thread?

>>96345207
That just looked like normal discussion to me tbqh.

>>96345223
Always as in every thread? Shit up as in sperging out on anyone and any post that can even remotely be seen as being negative about the game.

>>96345224
A simple question about the meta and if players follow trends devolving into fab players larping as wolves is not normal.

>>96345242
You mean every thread like how more than 1/3rd of them being just bandai posts lately? You mean being negative like king of queens memes and being abbrasive as well as unhelpful towards folks asking simple starter deck questions? Yeah, I see your point; fab must be stopped so we can make even more room for bandai posters to shit and moan everywhere.

>>96345261
I have been reading the Gundam posts too and honestly have not seen any spergy behaviour. No idea what you are referring to.

>>96345278
NTA but it's cringe how you are acting like the thread police.
You are probably just the fuckfab schizo.

>>96345261
Did you ever actually try the decks on WingTable or are you still waiting for someone else to give you your opinion?

>>96345304
If you say so. Honestly yelling fuckfab only brings you guys out to defend the game so I have no reason to do that. I just thought I ask what posts like >>96344168 even meant.
And now there's 3 of you on my ass in 5 mins. I have no interest in continuing this so don't bother replying to me.

>>96345359
You stirred the shitpot and now you're upset you got stank on you? How about cry about it some more, that will increase the quality of this thread for sure.

>>96343687
>>96344135
>Pokemon is nothing but young kids
>Lorcana is some neckbeards and some middle or highschool girls
>Magic is neckbeards or people with dyed hair
>Yugioh is Mexicans and trannies

Yeah after looking at the demographics of my LGS I guess Lorcana is the only one the brings in females.

>>96332771
There's no way that isn't a man. I can hear the fake female voice they put on.

>>96332068
I checked the rules for this and it seems okay. Should just be an LCG, which is probably a faggy take to have but there's no reason this needs a collection feature with random packs. It reminded me of the board game Summoners Wars. I'll play it and by that I mean print out proxies and treat it like an expandable board game me and my friends break out sometimes.

>>96343532
>AP4 and AP3 might as well be the same number
hitting 4 AP lets it kill every single early and mid game pilotless blocker
its a HUGE difference

>>96343818
just play in any events, Sett is oppressive. Its basically a removal war and trying to land Watcher first for everyone using blue but Sett is just doing whatever he wants and laughs at those strats
>picrel
looks like its a nice balanced meta but if you play the matchups it won't feel that way at all. also i think people are teching for Sett and it doesn't really seem to matter much.

>>96345207
>Why do fab players always shit up the thread.
Wtf are you on about

>>96345261
Are you seriously still mad about the fact that you didn't have people spoonfeed you the ideal starter deck option outside of one guy who recommended either Wing or Zeon?
Even if you don't wanna use an unofficial source like Wingtable, there's an official Gundam Card Game training app which lets you test all of the starters. Even if someone tells you the best deck, it doesn't mean anything if it doesn't suit your personal playstyle because everyone has different preferences. As for why there's a lot of Gundam discussion, it's a new game that's gotten a good amount of steam and has no general of its own. Only place I saw, for example, that one Cookie Run TCG was goddamn FYE. Riftbound isn't even out yet for most people. Neopets Battledome is fairly niche and thus under-discussed as well. You want help? Here's some help: Download the official Gundam Card Game tutorial app, try the decks and come to your own conclusions on what YOU like to play instead of trying to figure out what's meta when ultimately to reach a level of competitiveness with any starter you'll need to rip it apart and make modifications anyway

>>96345819
Huh, I was thinking Viktor and Yi were the top tier, but looks like Sett is right there with them.

Removal war sounds pretty fun, control usually is. I'll give him a shot!

>>96346185
That's a different guy.

And I ain't mad, the question was already answered and I said I moved on.
Not sure why this is getting drawn out again.
Are people not following the thread?

>>96346303
Exactly, so why are you crying rivers over fab discussion?

>>96346276
>Are people not following the thread?
This is it right here. You would think you would need a modicum of intelligence to play card games but this gen has time and time again proved otherwise. The people here can't even follow along in a conversation properly.
Half the time replies to posts are not relevant to what was said/asked.

>>96346536
And what do you think bred this environment? All the hostility, vitriol and random racism that makes folks not want to legitimately engage with game discussion. Dedicated trolls that have been descending on this thread for four years solid has taken its toll. And for what? Because they feel good about kicking sand in honest folks' faces while they are stopping by for a visit? Because the publicly traded company they're fiercely protecting looks better against the flame engulfed wasteland that is /acg/ on any given day?

Maybe if you guys chilled the fuck out for once the thread could decompress and go back to a more welcoming vibe.

>>96346631
Stfu. Your post is exactly what I meant. It has nothing to do with what I said or the person I was replying to said.
Go cry about your 'hostile environment' elsewhere. Maybe if you actually made relevant replies people would be more willing to discuss whatever game it is that you play.

>>96346689
People can't follow conversations here because it's nothing but in-fighting. No one wants to read through paragraphs of that shit, they just want to discuss games. Only there's a problem, because no matter what when a discussion picks up momentum, some flame-warring idiot has to come and bust it up because he doesn't like the topic they've already engaged in. There is a connective point to that post, however your poor reading comprehension and tenuous grasp of the overall situation here has made you gloss over it.

>>96346536
Creating something that requires any basic competence from its users is bad business/bigotry (take your pick), and is why everything has gotten worse over the last few decades.

>>96346778
>There is a connective point to that post
Yeah sure if you stretch your point to get there. Point is you made the effort to shoehorn that into the conversation.
>No one wants to read through paragraphs of that shit
Yet here you are typing up a tenuously related post to be on your soapbox. Do you not see the irony in your interjection. Go practise what you preach. Go discuss your game and stop moralizing.

>>96346837
>>Go discuss your game
But people derail me every single time, that's why I'm leveraging this complaint in the first place. Did you not read my post?
>Go practise what you preach.
*practice
That's rich coming from someone who was chastising others for not fully comprehending posts.

>>96346936
Hahaha we stooping to pointing out spelling mistakes now?
Who's the one derailing conversations now? God you're insufferable.
In the interest of not shitting up the thread. I'll take my leave now. Feel free to stick around and 'right the ship' with your shit posting.

How we feeling about purple so far? The pilot for this pings one of your units and an opponents, so thinking we might see PR become the new ping combo.

>>96346936
practise is correct spelling though

>>96346985
Certainly possible, but I wonder how purple will function in the long run considering off the bat the card previewed states the unit needs to be damaged for more power and from my experience, not many things in this game survive long so it's more likely for it to just be flat out nuked before getting the chance

>>96346973
Correcting that mistake was incidental because I directly quoted you, not even mad it. What was more important was pointing out your logical fallacy.

>>96347016
>>96346985
I mean this particular unit just isn't good, a 2/4 that's conditionally a 4/3 is kind of whatever, but it's also a common so what do you expect. It's the equivalent of the generic vanilla 3/4 Gundam, it's just link fodder that won't see much play.

>>96347032
Yeah, the pilot is more interesting and depends on what else benefits from the self damage mechanic.

>>96347014
Yeah sorry, didn't realize they were British.

>>96342734
Balance actually feels pretty good right now, most cards have their moments where they shine.
In terms of Rarity/Cost Beta Alt Art Cards are obviously mostly the drivers, with some GD01 cards with Legend Rare Alt Arts going pretty high.
Most LRs are trading at between 20-30USD.

Specifically for Wing Zero, it's an expensive card in game, it does come with a good stat line and high maneuver (ignores blockers), and has an on deploy effect (deals 3 damage to all low-middle level units). It's a game closer if you survive long enough to get there.

Unicorn and Freedom seem to be the top picks overall, they show up a lot and place high on tournament lists.

>>96346276
The schizos here are REALLY weird, don't think too much of it

>>96347208
I'll say it again, 4-5 viable decks with <200 cards in the game is fantastic.

>>96346985
>If it gets 1 damage is just a vanilla gelgoog
At least vanilla gelgoog links with any zeon pilot
Hope there's better stuff

>>96342734
Strongest card is Wing Zero in the abstract sense (of big lategame bomb), strongest card in the meta sense of most overpowered, best card in format, is probably Amuro Rey. Rarest card is the LR++ alt art of the RX-78.

It's a very balanced meta overall, with four different extremely viable decks covering four distinct play styles and cumulatively representing all four colors.

>>96347520
it is, yeah. although that's probably less a compliment to gundam than a condemnation of how low the expectations are for balance in a new TCG.

My most anticipated game on the horizon. I am so stoked to dive into constructed and see what kind of crazy multi color decks you can run.

Moments are like armor in your hands, so can you hide agents in grips full of moments? Does the game work if you focus entirely on economic engines and just bulldoze through your rival's defenses? Do mono color decks have enough cards to build decks that keep enemies guessing or will they be fairly one note? There's a lot of questions left up in the air for this game and I can't wait to get some answers soon.

Anyone know if Universus is worth getting into? I'm a huge TMNT fag and so interested

>>96348438
it's the most painfully average game ever created

>>96348468
I feel like cardgames are hella diverse, what does an average even look like?

Duel Masters Shield Life + FOW resource system is the average

>>96348342
I'm hyped too. what we have so far is a ton of fun to play. it's a pity full release is still such a long fucking ways off.

>>96348508
what anon means is Universus is deliberately kept vanilla with fairly simple, abstract mechanics. their whole goal was to be able to reskin as any conceivable IP.

Lorcana rotation is live on the app and deckbuilders. I'm deciding between R/P Evasive, R/G "Christmas Carols", and Amber/Steel aggro for my deck this set. Leaning toward the RG because I need the least cards for it, though it feels like the deck wants more cards that really fit in the 60. I need lorcanito to update so I can start testing.

>>96348726
Good to know. I'll need to start updating my decks soon.

>>96348468
>>96348715
lolwat?
Universus has a fuckload of problems but its core gameplay is only close to FAB which came out what? 10 years after it?
painfully avg? Played at its most sweaty its a ton of turn 2-3 decks (turns in universus are not the same as turns in other games but still, they are aggressive decks) and then the outlier wall-combo or wall-control deck:
King Ghidorah, Rodan, Deku on the move
the top of the trinity right now is titanbackup bullshit but calling universus avg or boring instead of a really messy set of rules and a game having a schizo moment thanks to odd design choice upheaval (no more character kits, attuned symbols, infinity symbol prevalence, yugioh cards etc)...
you can just admit you haven't played it

https://uvsultra.online/folder.php?id=5006
that's decklists from a 175 player tourny which for UVS is massive because its sadly a very bordering on dead game.
>>96348438
if you love TMNT and have tabletopsim just try it? that shit is free. its not for everyone, its really fucking hard to play correctly/well with a pretty steep ramp of a learning curve. but if it gets your hooks into you there isn't anything that can replicate it. FAB tries but it doesn't feel the same at all.

>>96348438
im going to respond again because i can.
its probably low chance its worth getting into unless you have a local scene that hasn't gone full sweatlord. TMNT seems so far to be on the lower power scale of sets, its got some interesting pieces but nobody expects anything to breakout huge and derail how powerful the best AoT/Godzilla stuff is rn.
I'd say Splinter and April are the most interesting looking characters so far. I think the individual turtles are all locals at best powerlevel unless someone really figures something out or some more support comes when Guilty Gear is released in November.
It really depends on what type of card gamer you are, if you need to feel like your deck is top of the meta I really don't think you should get into it but if you just like the feeling that you built your own thing your own way and you can have fun with it at locals (again, if you have locals) UVS is a great game for that. Its one of the better unique snowflake deckbuilder games out there because its such a tiny community and most still playing are on the oldhead competitive side because the casuals all left long ago.

>>96348342
I didnt followed it closely so I might got it wrong but I had a feeling the constant option to shift cards around would make it more of a random card chasing without planning anything.. where there is no much reason to keep a card unforged during delving and for this reason you will end up hiding agents the innermost row most of the time. also most of the cards have some optional effect you can use in your turn and might end up forgetting some and all the options gives a huge layer of randomness which might be fun at times but Im not xonvinced it will be strategic enough.

>>96344380
$150 max about every 3 months but I have no job so I really only get birthday/christmas money even though I'm almost 30. Sure my parents give me money here and then but most of it goes towards other things.

>>96349202
Believe it or not if someone's economy engine doesn't show up, they will skip the first two unforged cards in a given column. I've hidden agents in the front row when I ran demo games with some friends because they couldn't afford a costly surprise and saved only enough to snipe an agent off top deck. That's the beauty of games like this, the mind game elements allow silly things to happen that would otherwise be the worst move you could make in non hidden info games. It's one of the reasons why I love this card so much, but I think they changed it already. I haven't been so bold as to target an agent with this yet, but I know there's got to be a boardstate where I could get away with it.

Color/Attribute Emblem
You can only have and cards in your deck.
Starting Resource 3
Effect that gives you a Resource when you do thing related to Color/Attribute

I think that would work fine. There would also be cards that give you Resource when you do things or at the start of your turn or whatever. Taking some inspiration from Digimon here. The Flag/Emblem/whatever would do more things past Set 1. Letting you use multiple Color/Attribute, only certrain Types, etc..

I'm going to do Life Points instead of Shields, just don't know how much to make the starting LP be. Some Flag/Emblem would also change your starting LP or hand, just like Flags in Buddyfight.

Would pretty much be a mist of MTG, Yugioh, Duel Masters, Buddyfight and Digimon.

I know its extremely generic, but its something I just want to do for myself, purely for fun. Or I guess to see how well I can balance a game.

>>96349202
just print out the cards and try it out my dude. or go on hubteki. the gameplay speaks for itself.

>>96349394
You know we got a whole fuckton of cards revealed to test with so I'm tempted to print them out.

I wish we saw the second green seeker and many more agents in other colors, but there's a good chunk of green and purple to work with now.

Anyone play dead/retro/legacy TCGs and formats? I only play retro formats for Yu-Gi-Oh! but recently started doing Base-Fossil for Pokemon and started checking out Battle Spirits Saga. The fixed card pool makes it interesting and can be easier on the wallet.

>>96349453
sure, anon. this is the dead cardgame thread after all.

>>96349453
The only formats I play are CYO and Commander for Magic. Other than that, I collect. Too damn poor to keep up with any sort of rotations whatsoever and most people don't like Printer Rares in decks at an LGS.

>>96349817
True, all my local card shops claim that most people would rather play with small personal friend group than go to a local tournament.

>>96349817
>this is the dead cardgame thread after all.
Moreso a few years ago than nowadays.

>>96351583
Probably something like 90% of tcg sales are to people who will never set foot at an event.

>>96351813
>this is the dead cardgame thread after all.
>Moreso a few years ago than nowadays.
nah. some of the walking corpses are just in denial.

So the meta for gundam right now is just mix everything with white and spam the same blockers? Every single winning deck uses white and most are just a variation of the same thing. I know there´s very limited card variety at this point but it´s ridiculous how few viable strategies there are. Hope the new releases change things up

I was wondering if you're ok to make a TCG/card game together?

>>96352274
Every? What about RB ping and GB agro?

>>96352322
Not as strong, not as many wins, also
hy·per·bo·le
/hīˈpərbəlē/
noun
exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

>>96351813
Makes sense. As much as I enjoy TCGs and traveling to events doing it for more than one would be exhausting and expensive, especially competitively.

>>96352274
>>96352369
It's not hyperbole you're just a fucking retard.
G/W and U/W are continuing to fall more and more out of favor and most people don't even find them to be tier 1 anymore.

>go to gundam tournament
>everyone using fancy decks
>go 5-0 with a generic rush deck
Thanks for being bad at game design, Bandai. I can finally get free wins

>>96352605
which color combo was your rush deck? g/b? r/g? this is important because one color combo's meta and the other one is tier 1.5/2.

>>96352715
I used this

>>96352723
highly doubt this deck won anything but props to you ig.