Thread 96349926

I don't like 4E or 5E d&d.
Change my mind.

>>96349926 (OP)
Like/dislike whatever

>>96349926 (OP)
Fuck off neackbeardia/other ai voice channel.

>>96349926 (OP)
You'd be a lot more interesting to people if you spent more time discussing the things you enjoy, and less time proclaiming that you do not enjoy things.

this thread is on the same level as..

hmm, lets see.

>going on an AI chatbot site to find an underage gacha character, seducing her, then making her tits bigger.

If you cringed, good.

>>96349926 (OP)
Nobody is going to try and change your mind. 5e will continue to be a “success” without you.

Furthermore, I consider Neckbeardia must be dragged behind a car until dead.

>>96349926 (OP)
I don't like Frog or Wojak posters.
You won't change my mind.

>>96349926 (OP)
Why? Who cares? Play what you like.

>>96349926 (OP)
Why would anyone try to change your mind if you're right?

>>96349926 (OP)
4e is shit and cursed by a murder-suicide.
5e is playable, but has serious design flaws which includes being DM-hostile. Its popularity was WotC managing to catch lightning in a bottle three times
>Shitical role taking off
>Covid
>Stranger things
The fixes to the 2024 version are negligible.

>>96349979
>>96350231
Than Nornerin nigger hasn't posted a /tg/-related video in 2 months.

>>96351737
Don't forget Baldur's Gate 3 and the dnd movie.

5e is actually a lot better than what fa/tg/uys will have you believe tho, even if its crazy popularity wasn't fully due to its own merits.

>>96351946
D&D5 is just video game slop though. It baffles me how anyone who has ever played anything else can defend systems with "adventuring days" as a mechanic.

>>96349926 (OP)
Protip: I can't.

>>96351956
>video game slop
>slop

>>96352495
>4chan slop post

>>96352973
Whenever there’s a frog it’s slop

>>96353210
(you)

r frog.

4E is the only D&D edition with something that could be considered "game design". 5E is just shit, period, and it considers being a "D&D product" a higher priority then being playable. Like 80% of its flaws are just shit they shoved in there despite nobody using or wanting it, all because "it's what D&D is like".

>>96353242
What about tons of monsters having twice as much HP as previous editions, turning every combat into nerfbat shit? Or the skill system being entirely fake and nigh-unfixable (because Expertise ruins the math)?

>>96353891
First, none of these things are true. Second, 4e was good because it had design goals and achieved them (well-balanced tactical grid based high fantasy wargame). If those design goals aren't things you want out of a TTRPG then of course you're not going to enjoy it, but it was good.

>>96353891
Combats in 4e were more interesting then any other edition because there was actually something informing your enemy's behaviour and that was a mechanic that could be played around and manipulated. Meanwhile, in 5e, there's basically no way to actually tank in that game except via tacit gentleman's agreement with the DM.

>>96354182
>>96354191
I was talking about 5e, and how it created new, fresh problems - gnolls have 22 hp in 5e, versus 11 hp in 3.5e - that are entirely 5eisms.

>>96354191
>because there was actually something informing your enemy's behaviour and that was a mechanic that could be played around and manipulated
4e fricking turned all fear effects into knockback, made all mind-effecting powers purely mechanical , and removed the last vestiges of morale. 4e also didn't invent the concept of monster statblocks describing a monster's tactics, it just removed nearly all the ecology so that tactics could take up more space (and ecology gives players ways to manipulate monsters without needing mind-affecting/fear magic)
>>96353891
It was a lot more than twice as much HP sometimes (Large sized monsters), and 4e also got rid of most instances of attacking more than twice per turn (replacing them with retarded AOE effects), and made even the most powerful monsters deal extremely low damage (the 4e tarrasque has 1420 HP but can deal a maximum of 4d12 +32 damage against a single target, and that's on a recharge)

>>96349926 (OP)
>I don't like 4E or 5E d&d.
You could have stopped there, and you'd have been pretty cool for a frogposter, but as expected of a frogposter you just can't help yourself

>>96354531
>made all mind-effecting powers purely mechanical
They should be.

>>96351946
BG3 is worse off for using 5E. What's good about it is entirely on Larian, because it sure as fuck wasn't the setting or the actual 5E rules that stuck around.

>>96351956
There is nothing wrong with adventuring days. There is everything wrong with adventuring days that don't even come close to matching how the game is actually played at the table and are supposed to be used to balance out classes, that is full fucking retard design.

>>96349926 (OP)
>Doesn't like 4E

your loss frog fren

>>96349926 (OP)
Free to Dislike things
Personally, 2.5.
Homebrew is the best.

>>96356462
>4e Eberron
Baator.