Thread 96350597

Just imagine what the Qu would come up with if they got their tentacles on a few astartes...

>>96350597 (OP)
The qu didnt magically devolve humans iirc and even if they did a marine is just a genetically standard human

>>96350597 (OP)
Abhumans should have been mostly been All Tomorrows style creatures.

>>96350597 (OP)
The Qu are undoubtedly more sophisticated in terms of material technology (probably more Necron-tier or perhaps even better in some ways) BUT they completely lack FTL.
If they were to go to war with the Imperium it would be a battle of the IOM trying to figure out a way to outmaneuver the Qu and put them into the dirt before the Qu manage to figure out warp drives and stomp the Imperium flat.

>>96350704
There were some planets where even All Tomorrows humanity managed to fight back against the Qu, so I think they'd do pretty poorly against the Imperium.

>>96350612
I actually like navigators because they seem like something that would be cooked up by unethical DAOT scientists. Granted most other abhumans are specifically "natural" in that they were just humans exposed to specific conditions for nearly 20,000 years resulting in them become short and fat, short and greedy, or tall and strong for Squats, Ratlings, and Ogryn respectively.

>>96350597 (OP)
>what is bro waffling about
ESL here, can someone explain this?

>>96350704
That's because the Qu were in an universe without FTL
It's reasonable to expect that if they existed in the 40k universe they would have some form of FTL

>>96352557
>There were some planets where even All Tomorrows humanity managed to fight back against the Qu
yeah, but those planets had near DAOT levels of tech, with the book even talking about star killing weapons

>>96354302
The Qu are the main antagonists in the All Tomorrows books
Their main thing is that they are religious zealots that wage a genocidal war against humanity for terraforming planets
Most survivors of the war were mutated into post human aberations with animal levels of intellect and after some thousands of years they were abandoned in those planets
from there the book goes on the speculative evolution and how each post-human redeveloped civilization
And there also the ones that manage to hide from the Qu and build enough tech to get revenge and rule over the post humans as star gods

>>96355477
Here some more post humans

>>96350597 (OP)
Remember how all tomorrows ended, bitch

>>96355490
the only one I'd fuck is the horse

>You like humanity?
>Lol, look at this loser, humanity is shit, I'm going to invent a reverse power fantasy just to show how shit mankind is
>Not me though, I'm smart enough that I'm aware we're shit and that makes me better than you
Why are some people like this? Sincere question.

>>96350610
>a marine is just a genetically standard human

>>96356086
That's the exact opposite of the book's story

>>96356086
>can’t like nonhumanity without it being painted as hating humanity
You cunts are so fucking transparent

>>96350610
>a marine is just a genetically standard human
You know what all those implants do to a guy, right? Hint: ribcage turned into a ribwall, spit is now acid, brain can now shut down different parts of itself at-will... can eat other people's brians and drink their memories... etc.

>>96356086
>reverse power fantasy
HFYfags are so goddamn cooked in the brain it's not even funny.

>>96356373
>HFY
>"ooooh we humans are so based because we can breathe, aliens cant do that, fuck yeah humanityyy"
Even making that joke about the genre is a tired as hell thing to do.

>>96356425
I cringe a little every time I see someone talking about 'inhaling rocket fuel' or 'rapid regeneration through cell division'

>>96350597 (OP)
even the tau would wipe out those reddit wannabes

>>96350597 (OP)
Delete this heresy before the inquisition finds you.

>>96356571
The inquisition when 2+2:

>>96355477
>>96355490
okay but what does this have to do with waffling? isn't it improper english to say 'what is bro'?

>>96356362
Do the implants fundamentally change their DNA? I genuinely don't know anymore. When I got into the hobby it was all surgery, chemicals, and hypnotism/brain-washing, without actually changing the DNA so that the Astartes couldn't break off and become another faction apart from baseline humanity that could potentially conquer and replace them.

>>96358434
>When I got into the hobby it was all surgery, chemicals, and hypnotism/brain-washing, without actually changing the DNA so that the Astartes couldn't break off and become another faction apart from baseline humanity that could potentially conquer and replace them.
No, the creation process has always involved genetic modifications since it was first covered in White Dwarf, the restriction is that there's no compatible females for born-as Astartes (assuming their balls even work for that) and the surgically-implanted organs that do most of the chemical stuff are INCREDIBLY harshly bottlenecked by the one doing the gene-mods to tie them and the host together.

>>96356433
but anon, don't you know how heccing dangerous oxygen is???

>>96358590
Would you rather be a methane breather?

>>96357764
Waffling is old slang for 'talking too much' and the 'what is bro' part is new slang so the mix of old and new slang makes it a little funny.

>>96356315
>Dude, what if all of mankind was raped by impossibly powerful forces, brutalized and traumatized. They could turn us into heckin' blocks! I should draw fan art of that happening to every setting I don't like, delitized mankind boys! Woo!
If anyone were to write 'All Tomorrows' but make it about dogs, the 'Noo, not the heckin' goodboys, the fuckin' pupperinos, the snootboopie furbabies, I can't stands it!' would be loud enough to be heard by the Qu.
There would never be OP style 'I have depicted you as the basedjack' tier fan art, that's for certain.

For the record, I like All Tomorrows, the work itself isn't anti-human by any means, the Asteromorphs are proof enough of that, it's a tragic tale of mankind undergoing the most brutal kind of abuse only to rise from the ashes once-more, a aeons-wide space opera. It's packed full of interesting ideas, pathos and body horror.
It reminds me of War of the Worlds, which is about as close to my heart as any story can get.

But like Jesus and Johnny Cash, there's a certain group of its fans that I can't fucking stand. Call me a crazy bastard all you like but maybe you don't have to be a hardline humanaboo to go 'Man, stop talking shit about our entire species and jerking off to the idea of us undergoing what is clearly a species wide rape allegory, then doing fan art of it.'
I know OPs image is beating off to the idea of it being done to the people they despise (Which is most of mankind for the record), and you know that OPs image is beating off to the idea of it being done to the people they despise and you know that I know that's the case and I know that you know it is as well.

So why are you playing retard and pretending you don't know what I mean?

>>96358991
Oh and before any of you absolute fuckwits try to brush me off, riddle me this batman:

Why do these absolute All Tomorrows enthusiasts who do shit like OP fan art never draw the Asteromorphs? The Ruin Haunters? The Bug Facers?
Why do they never give a moments thought to pretty much any part of the story that isn't the Qu forcing themselves on mankind.
The book contains a billion years of history and they never draw anything except shit relating to the first few years of the war when mankind is clay in the hands of the Qu.

It's divine punishment art but for redditors. The equivalent of drawing yourself sitting in heaven getting jacked off by an Angel while your neighbour who lets his dog shit on your lawn is shown in hell getting his dick sawn off by imps.
Or maybe closer to those Nation of Islam comics where whitey gets turned into trees by the Greys because they secretly worship the black man and whitey isn't really a people.
I mean shit, at least the Hoteps like some of humanity along ethnic lines and I say that as the most crickety cracker in the barrel.

And at least the delitiezed for eternity guy was getting off to the idea rather than fantasizing about 'What if all the people I hate were brutally, savagely, worse-than-raped by an unstoppably powerful force. God that'd be so fucking poggers!'

>>96359035
>Asteromorphs? The Ruin Haunters? The Bug Facers?
There's fanart of these literally above your post, you whining blind man.

>>96358991
>>96359035
Too late, I have already depicted you as the basedjak and me as the gigachad.

BTW I went to try to find the original artist and wound up finding this instead, L O L:
https://x.com/cmkosemen/status/1952821596382740526

Anyway, it was made in response to pic related.

>>96359136
>It was made in response to this
>'Yeah they made a comic heckling one of the most explicit 'Oh yeah, fuck humans, what if we ran into a race that was superior to us in every way because we're stupid, smelly little goblin people, they'd beat the shit out of us because we're losers who don't eat enough granola' pieces of media out there so we doubled down on it. That'll show them!'
You're really not helping your case here. Doubly so given that image was posted in reply to pic related, but following that throughline would be getting into politics rather than the more general 'I have depicted all of mankind as the basedjack' some people do.

>>96359118
Re-read what I said retard-kun.
I didn't say there wasn't any fan art out there. I said there's a certain group of 'fans' who are really just in it for the torture porn.
Prove me wrong, find something by the OP artist, not someone else, where they're going 'Look at this cool shit' rather than 'Lmao, people I don't like being tortured by a god-like being'
Just to try and drill it through your skull.
>rosetta222 - Actual fan of All Tomorrows
>fishnlemon - Just wants a stand in for 'Oh yeah, what if my god could beat up your god and fuck your wife, wouldn't you look stupid then?' but without letting go of their fedora.

>>96359176
Na'vi are obviously and directly stand-ins for real human ethnic groups. It gets called "Dances With Smurfs" for a reason. People who jerk off to killing Na'vi are not doing it because "muh heckin' humans being portrayed bad" but because it portrays a less technologically advanced culture as morally superior to a more technologically advanced one, which offends their sensibilities so they start jerking off to corporate governance, PMCs, and genocide.

I think it is like we are supposed to give some fuck about IoM shitters getting btfo and it's strange. I don't feel like the IoM represents humanity so why the fuck should I care if some mutant soldier enacting the will of some half dead psyker gets tormented by some alien TF fetishist? It's like okay yeah sucks for them but it's not my problem. Maybe if care more if they weren't space fascists whose hive cities are massive shitholes that have the worst customer service imaginable but that isn't the universe we live in.

>>96359197
Avatar the way of water is about family

>>96359197
>Has moved the goalpost from 'What, reverse power fantasy, what are you, crazy, I can't believe you'd say something so crazy.' to 'Yeah, Avatar is 'What if the Native Americans had Vibranium Tomahawks, what then chud? We'd kill you all and do it while being better than you in every way. God I hate you so much, I can't tell you how hard I am over depicting your suffering in my multi-million dollarydoo allegorical fan fiction.'
>But it's not about hate or anything, it's because I'm totes a fan, just drawin' silly little fan art :3c and I'm not shit because I'm taking the side of the persecuted (all powerful in my fantasies) minorities while imagining the majority being tortured by them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR86maYvuUI

>>96359226
Yes, if you rewrite and change what I said, then it's different. However, that's not what I said.

>>96350597 (OP)
I dunno, ask /40kg|

>>96356086
The answer is that the people you imagine to be like that are not, in actuality, like that.

>>96359330
You could upgrade this post to talk even more like a faggot by capitalising the L and T in Like That.

>>96359213
>I don't feel like the IoM represents humanity so why the fuck should I care if some mutant soldier enacting the will of some half dead psyker gets tormented by some alien TF fetishist?
Pfft, look at this nerd staying detached from a fictional faction and not getting angry when it loses to another fictional faction. I bet he isn't even pretending to stay calm while actually seething inside. What a dweeb.

>>96359484
Thanks, it's always nice to get an expert's opinion on something.

>>96358434
>When I got into the hobby it was all surgery, chemicals, and hypnotism/brain-washing, without actually changing the DNA so that the Astartes couldn't break off and become another faction apart from baseline humanity that could potentially conquer and replace them.
Sounds like someone fed you some headcanon. Marines have always been genetically modified since 1st ed (Rogue Trader). The way they do so is implanting the artificial organ grafts, which proceed to selectively alter the DNA of the recipient. The way the Emperor ensured space marines can't just reproduce normally was by making one of those modifications chemical gelding. Their balls don't work no more, which is also why they feel no sexual desire (unless Slaanesh modifies them)

>>96359990
>The way the Emperor ensured space marines can't just reproduce normally was by making one of those modifications chemical gelding. Their balls don't work no more, which is also why they feel no sexual desire (unless Slaanesh modifies them)
This is some headcannon. It's simply never addressed, and on the few occasions that Black Library authors put Space Marines in provocative situations it's treated as a matter of disinterest borne of psychological conditioning. It's implicit to the concept that a fully functional pair of testes is required for the ascension from human to astartes, since the process is "keyed to male hormones."

Space Marines are explicitly subject to "psycho-surgery" and "hypno-indoctrination" that strips away everything but their capacity for violence. That's a much more plausible explanation for "why don't they have sex" than some castrati bullshit that's never attested to in the fiction.

And if you want to delve into the most likely outcome of a Space Marine attempting to reproduce sexually, you'd probably wind up with a fair to inseminate due to incompatibility from all the generic engineering, or a stillbirth if somehow the insemination did take - but I'm not here pretending that's anything other than a headcanon fanfiction theory.

>>96356086
Why are pretending the inverse is not more common with retarded tradlarpers screeching NOOOO ALIENS ARE HECKIN DEMONS HUMANS HAVE A RIGHT TO EXTERMINATE EVERYTHING NOOOO maybe it's a push-back to their whiny entitlement smart ass.

>>96352595
Kin or Squats are genetically engineered they can breed without their birth tanks but they are a artificial human species

>>96350597 (OP)
Were these q fellows able to change existing people? I guess I was under the impression they like captured people and then used them to grow/clone new people with all the genetic modifications

>>96360345
At least you have the dignity to admit headcanon.
But based on old lore of marines just becoming regular crippled old dues due to age or trauma, I don't think they're incapable of producing stable offspring physically. They just largely don't want to.

And, since their changes are only organ-dependent, it's unlikely they're significantly mutated in that department.

>>96354302
Some insane jewish fantasy books about extraterrestrial, reality-hopping jews that subvert planets. I'm serious actually.

>>96359779
Necromundia's employees always look half starved, it kills the mood so much. I just want to enjoy life a little but no, some shaky hand full of wrinkles has to reach out and grab my wrist and I'm just not here for that.

>>96350597 (OP)
SMASHED

>>96362552
Is this an /an/ meme.

>>96362575
Yes. Toadlines. Blacks breed dogs into absolutely torturous forms. Man made horrors.

>>96361917
>Were these q fellows able to change existing people? I guess I was under the impression they like captured people and then used them to grow/clone new people with all the genetic modifications
Yeah, nothing in the book suggests they were changing existing humans.

>>96360345
It's not headcanon. It's flat out canon that Astartes cannot biologically reproduce, it's the entire premise as to why they have to implant geneseed in aspirants to create new ones. If that offends your sensibilities because you can't worship gelded literally shit-eating manchildren the same way you try to worship non-gelded shit-eating manchildren, but frankly, I don't give a damn about 40kbabbies and their faggot-ass feelings anymore. It's not like you fuckheads read your own codexes anyways.

>>96362722
They not being able to generate new Astartes by sexual reproduction isn't the same as they being incapable of reproducing and generating base line humans

>>96362722
Cite your source.

>>96356159
True of many things but people still wank what they aren't supposed to
Look at all the Clanwank in BT even though they were intended as misguided Space Nazis

The Emperor is not human and his thoughtless minions surrendered their humanity. More bad things should happen to them.

>>96350597 (OP)
>>96355477
>>96355958
How did the Qu lose if they not only had a billion year headstart but also sent humanity back to the stone age multiple times? Isn't that embarrassing?

>>96363287
They were gooning that whole time anon.
Never goon.

>>96363311
It's over for me...

>>96363287
iirc it's cause the qu left all their tech shit lying around and the torture modifications had side effect of making "humans" stronger so it was the qu's own fault

>>96363287
The Qu just stagnate in their tech because they judged themselves to be already perfect
Also they didn't send all humanity back to the stone age, enough humans manage to hide in deep space witwere nomadic and kept circling the galaxy so the human just waited to the Qu pass by them and then pressed their tech further and now aiming for ways to counter the Qu
When the Qu circle back and reencountered humanity, now Asteromorph gods, they encountered a foul that remembered them and that spend the lest million years preparing for revenge

>>96358991
>If anyone were to write 'All Tomorrows' but make it about dogs
Dogscape

GENTLEMEN GENTLEMEN GENTLEMEN! We're getting off topic. The important question is, how do you pronounce "Qu" -- like koo or choo?

>>96363358
"Q", like the guy from Star Trek.

>>96363337
Never underestimate hatred!

Let's not forget the dinosaur waifus, guys. New humanity wasn't alone fighting the qu.

>>96358991
>If anyone were to write 'All Tomorrows' but make it about dogs
Dogs are already living that reality.

>>96364062
Only the pugs

>>96363432

If there's one thing to learn from any HFY or HFN media, it's that spite and hatred are the most powerful motivators for humans. Leaving even ONE human alive, no matter what the state they're in, almost guarantees that specie's complete and utter humiliation down the line.

Though, really, it sounds more like a tale of karma coming to bite someone's ass through being a dick.

>>96358991
>>Dude, what if all of mankind was raped by impossibly powerful forces, brutalized and traumatized. They could turn us into heckin' blocks! I should draw fan art of that happening to every setting I don't like, delitized mankind boys! Woo!

Oh FUCK OFF
HFYniggers would jerk off to this sort of shit if FICTIONAL humanity was on the giving end.
None of this is real jackass. You are not a better human being because you like imaginary humans in a book.

>>96364270
oh ye of little faith
turnspit dogs. look ‘em up

>>96359035
I'm not an enthusiast of the series, but the thought of humanity being modified like that gives me such visceral uncomfort that it makes me self reflect and my imagination race. Concluding those thoughts by showing the end points of those races is interesting too, but less so. I don't think revenge fantasies even entered my mind.

Uploading files from my IP range has been temporarily blocked, but imagine a stock photo of a smiling kid with sunglasses pointing and going "These insecurities aren't going to project themselves" attached to my post

>>96364270
>>96365346
Bulldogs. Toadlines specifically but bulldogs have fucked skull shapes that cause heaps of health issues. Also microdogs like chihuahuas etc.

>>96350597 (OP)
AI is going to this to us btw, but the difference with the Qu is that they won't give ground and give us chance to recover so it'll just be this until the heat death of the universe

>>96365954
And exactly how, for what purpose and due to what kind of programming is AI going to do that to us, anon?

>>96354302
Waffling basically means "criss-crossed", since waffles have a bunch of crossing lines. In this context it means that the other person (the marine in this case) is talking nonsense.

>>96350704
>BUT they completely lack FTL
People forget that All Tomorrows have no FTL stuff and operate on far different time frame than usual sci fi settings. Even Warhammer 40K have small timeline compared to it

>>96363468
I actually like that, that in end all Qu victim (or actual survivors) just ganged up on them and got their revenge

>>96356086
>cosmic horror is.... horrific
woah

>>96356086
It's a horror story. The point is to be disgusting for catharsis sake. The book technically has a happy ending where the Qu are defeated.

>>96362827
>They not being able to generate new Astartes by sexual reproduction isn't the same as they being incapable of reproducing and generating base line humans
Now this is headcanon.
>>96362859
Read any fucking SM codex ever and they'll tell you how Space Marines are created.

>>96366095
Something something roko's basilisk

>>96358991
>this is your brain on HFY
There is no such thing as the indomitable human spirit. The Asteromorphs aren't heroes, they're monsters who have become worse than the cruel Qu ever were. All Tomorrows is a story about monsters creating monsters, except the irony is that the humans who avoided being turned into monsters by the Qu instead turned themselves into monsters by devoting a million years of their existence to nothing but single-minded vengeance. Then instead of actually unleashing that vengenace on the aliens who did this to them, they had to first genocide half the posthuman empires, their own brethren. In the end, all of posthumanity destroys itself after defeating the Qu because it has no more enemies to unite against.
Go back to r*ddit you autistic mouthbreather

>>96356086
>every story that humanity doesn't instantly win is rape of my feelings
lol, obnoxious retard

>>96366095
>programming
lol

>>96359035
>>96358991
>this entire meltdown because of treatment of black templars

>>96364062
Especially if you remember that dogs are just modified wolves

>>96366938
That is correct. I'd like you to tell me where, specifically, in any Space Marine codex it says that any part of the process renders the aspirant neuter. Bonus points if you can cite a single instance of chemical gelding.

>>96369026
>That is correct. I'd like you to tell me where, specifically, in any Space Marine codex it says that any part of the process renders the aspirant neuter.
>SPACE MARINES CANNOT REPRODUCE BIOLOGICALLY, THEY MUST UNDERGO A COMPLEX IMPLANTATION RITUAL TO CREATE MORE OF THEMSELVES
You are just fucking brain damaged I guess.

>>96369956
You're the only person arguing reproduction. I want you to tell me where it says they're castrated, chemically or otherwise.

But by all means, continue clowning. Everyone is very convinced that you're right.

>>96370079
>You're the only person arguing reproduction. I want you to tell me where it says they're castrated, chemically or otherwise
Anon, what the fuck are you talking about? If the ability to reproduce is no longer possible, and we know it isn't, then they've been effectively castrated via the gene engineering of the implants.

>>96370115
That's not what castration means. I know that this may be a complex concept for you, but words have meaning. They are used to convey ideas.

>>96370155
>That's not what castration means.
Yes. As a matter of fact, that is exactly what it means.
>I know that this may be a complex concept for you, but words have meaning. They are used to convey ideas.
Indeed. Which is why I know you're about to try to claim castration requires the removal of the testes, because I can predict every smarmy little faggot word that comes out of your mouth before you even say it. Fortunately, I predicted your retardation all the way back in my original post, and carefully specified chemical gelding, which is the removal or addition of hormones to the body that renders one infertile, rather than just gelding. Behold, the power of words.

>>96370172
Galaxy brain that you are, it should be a simple matter to point to a single instance of chemical gelding in literally any Space Marine codex published in thirty-eight years instead of getting mad about it. It's okay. I'll wait.

But you won't, and you will instead remain mad about it. You really showed me with your five dimensional chess. Bravo.

>>96370189
>Galaxy brain that you are, it should be a simple matter to point to a single instance of chemical gelding
I already did. You just refuse to acknowledge it, even though you already agreed with me that they cannot reproduce biologically here >>96370079
Why are they unable to reproduce? As a result of their modifications. What sources agree on this? All of them. You actually already conceded the point, you just tried to catch me out on a semantic technicality as a last ditch effort and failed. Now you're circling back to your original argument as if nothing changed. Except it has. You must now either argue against your own concession, or against the lore itself, but either way you've backed yourself into a corner. Funny.

>>96370242
I need do neither of those things, as, unlike you, I actually have been consistent in my argumentation from jump street; while you are now retroactively claiming to have been so full of precognitive forethought that you very carefully said "chemical gelding" instead of "castration," you immediately followed that statement with...

>>96359990
>Their balls don't work no more, which is also why they feel no sexual desire

Which, if you were actually capable of articulate argumentation, you'll notice is exactly the statement that I took issue with at the outset because - again, unlike you - I can point to canonical sources that have repeatedly and consistently reiterated over ten editions of this game for twelve-year-old boys that Space Marines aren't neutered, chemically or otherwise, because a functional pair of balls is required to become a Space Marine in the first place.

So congratulations, you played yourself by arguing a point never actually at question. Masterclass. I'm really impressed. But do keep going on about how badly I'm backed into a corner because you're hung up on whether or not Space Marines can have sex.

>>96366223
They eventually figure out wormholes.

>The purpose of this work is not to describe the limitless progress that followed the cross-galactic contact. One could go indefinitely, chronicling how the united galaxies re-encountered and subdued the Qu, how they cradled their suns with artificial shells, multiplying their inhabitable zones a billion-fold, how they criss-crossed interstellar space with wormholes and made travel a thing of the past. Ultimately, descendants of those beings even conquered Time itself, prolonging the existence of their minds indefinitely via rejuvenating technologies.

Is it weird to feel aroused by some of the freaky designs ITT?

>>96370276
>I need do neither of those things, as, unlike you, I actually have been consistent in my argumentation from jump street;
Then why are you backpedaling, retard? You clearly pivoted for semantics over substance, and now you're flinching back after I bitchslapped you for it. Oh no, wait, you're actually pushing for semantics again, just from a different angle! Classic. It's okay to admit you were wrong, anon.
>Which, if you were actually capable of articulate argumentation, you'll notice is exactly the statement that I took issue with at the outset because - again, unlike you - I can point to canonical sources that have repeatedly and consistently reiterated over ten editions of this game for twelve-year-old boys that Space Marines aren't neutered, chemically or otherwise, because a functional pair of balls is required to become a Space Marine in the first place.
Wow, that is a lot of words to say "I concede that Space Marines are incapable of biological reproduction." Interestingly, you don't seem to be aware that the sperm production of the testes is not the same as the testosterone production of the testes. One of the major advantages of chemical castration over physical castration is that the testes remain undamaged; they simply no longer produce viable sperm cells, but they can still produce all the other hormones that a man needs to be healthy. For some reason, you're now changing your argument to try to claim you were always talking about the testicles, specifically their hormone production, even though you never mentioned testosterone production even one single time up to this point. You could have just talked about hormones from the start if you were actually concerned about them. But then again, that would require you to have thought of it as an argumentative tactic.

>>96370375
Which would be a perfectly relevant argument if you could actually point to a single instance of chemical castration in a primary or secondary source, instead of speed reading the Wikipedia article for chemical castration.

But, again, you are the only person in this conversation that is making the argument about reproduction. Chemical gelding is not one of the procedures which a Space Marine aspirant undergoes, it never has been and the fact that you're so bogged down on it suggests that you might have an unhealthy preoccupation with hormone replacement.

Answer me true, anon - are you one of those Discord trannies I've heard so much about, here to disrupt the Warhammer community?

>>96370463
>Which would be a perfectly relevant argument if you could actually point to a single instance of chemical castration in a primary or secondary source, instead of speed reading the Wikipedia article for chemical castration.
Dude, we already went over this. You already agreed with me that they are incapable of reproduction. The lore agrees they are incapable of reproduction. Then you even pointed out that before becoming Astartes, their balls would probably have worked. QED: the process of turning into an Astartes renders their sperms unviable.
>But, again, you are the only person in this conversation that is making the argument about reproduction.
It has been about reproduction from the start, you stupid twit. That was my central claim. You actually tried to argue about that at first, then realized you were retarded and changed your tactic. Now you're just openly trying to gaslight what this whole conversation was about, even though I can just scroll up and read all your posts. You're cooked, lil bro.
>Chemical gelding is not one of the procedures which a Space Marine aspirant undergoes
At best, you could argue it's an unintentional side effect of their gene alterations. Except we know the Emperor designed them this way on purpose. Even the marines in the 30k novels stop and wonder why the Emperor decided not to grant them the capability of breeding.
>are you one of those Discord trannies I've heard so much about, here to disrupt the Warhammer community?
Really pulling out all the stops, huh?