Thread 96353092

Can demons and angels be friends

>>96353092 (OP)
In games that have nephilem, angels and demons can be more than just friends.
But that all depends on which game you're asking about.

No, that’s retarded, what’s the point of having a Heaven and Hell cosmology if it’s not going to be Good vs Evil.

>>96353103
Nephilim were the spawn of demons (or possibly angels) interbreeding with humans.

>>96353105
maybe the relationship can be a bit like the fans of different sport teams

>>96353137
No, that’s dumb, stop trying to subvert shit.

>>96353115
Speaking of historical religion, sure, but we're talking about games of the fantasy variety.

They sometimes fugg

Of course they can be friends. They can even be related or brothers. Demons are after all nothing but fallen angels. They can even be lovers.

>>96353115
>>96353103
You can have offspring without friendship.
Real friendship would be more weird than the occasional fuck/rape happening, since it would imply long-term, voluntary connection.

I could see something like that happening as a byproduct of a very long rivalry where the two get too accustomed to each others' shenanigans to not be friends in a weird way.

Alternatively in the case when something shows up that is so far removed from good-evil dichtonomy that angels and demons can find common ground in that at least they are personifications of something -human-, even if opposing extremes.

Oh, yes. Since the beginning.

The number of people who think that the TV show "made them gay" baffles me. They were not less gay in the original book, dudes. The narration all but directly calls them gay at one point.

>>96353105
What is Good? What is Evil? Is something automatically Good if an angel does it, and automatically Evil if a demon does it? Even if it's literally the same action?

>>96353260
Well, once again, it falls down to what game we're talking about, given that different games can handle their angels/demons/literally anything differently.

>>96353275
The books are explicit that Crowley is prancing la-la homo man.

>>96353092 (OP)
Depends on the setting.

More generally speaking though, no. They aren't human, and may not even really know the concept of friendship like humans do, or even desire it or anything like it. To make things even worse, even if they could, they are something like mortal enemies (if they were mortal).

>>96353275
I don't think they're expressly gay in the book, but they sure are kindred. And both of them could easily be taken for gay, which happens to them more than once. If they are fully capable of having the feelings needed to be into each other, and they actually share a gender despite being otherworldly beings, then they very well could be gay. Anyone bitching about them being a gay couple in the show is just being a bitch anyway though.

>>96353181
>>96353275
>>96353388
Demons and angels are asexual and have no genitalia.

>>96353092 (OP)
System/setting?

Depends on what system. Which is?

>>96353169
So you're not just saying depends on the setting with regards to nephillim but also with regards to what nephillim are? What a useless post that adds nothing.

>>96353092 (OP)
Depends entirely on the setting. In the earliest versions of what would become Judaism/Christianity, satans were just angels with a nasty job of being both tempters/judges, but God-sanctioned.
This is why in the Book of Job, which is the oldest book in the Bible, Big G and Satan interact in a way that's almost business-like or even casual rather than outright hostile.
Keep in mind that if going strictly by Christianity, all demons were once angels. Occult stuff like Ars Goetia has it that demons are still sorta metaphysically the same or almost the same as angels, just malevolent and depending upon the specific belief system with some debuffs/vulnerabilities forced on them by Big G.

In Nomine, THE tabletop RPG for playing Angels and Demons, in which one going against their nature (what incurs Discord depends upon the type of angel/demon) means spiritual integrity damage, actually has stuff for demons and angels allying.
Basically, it's like teaming up with people from the other side in a Cold War; usually more for mutual interest, convenience, or desperation. It's tense, either side is likely to betray the other, but genuine bonds can sorta form. But it's all hella risky and if your Superiors, either angel or demonic, find out you're all very much fucked.

>>96353784
No, I'm saying fantastical concepts in the context of games depend on the game.
Because this is a thread asking about fantastical concepts on a discussion board for games.

But speaking of useless posts that add nothing, what is this thread adding to the board? There's no mention of any games, he didn't contribute any of his own thoughts to promote discussion, so why aren't you bitching about him making useless posts that add nothing?

>>96353115
There's like three different definitions, but the ones most people go by is either spawn of angels (Enoch has it that they're specifically the Grigori angels who aren't demons but ditched their station to fuck humans) or just some unexplained species of giant.

>>96353288
Yes. One does it out of Pride, the other does it at God's command.

>>96353410
>Demons and angels are asexual and have no genitalia.
Then whence Nephalim?

>>96353972
But which is which?

>>96353115
>>96353103
>>96353092 (OP)
In the original religion they are the same, just from different sides. More precisely, a demon is the corrupt form of an angel.
>>96353092 (OP)
If you want to be faithful to the religion and mythology from which it originated, those two guys can't be friends.

But if you want to do it, do it, no one can stop you. The worst that can happen is that the players don't like it.

>>96353410
based
>>96353978
magic, I don't have to explain anything

>>96353105
Good vs Evil is basically just Angel politics. The answer to OP's question depends on how much they agree to disagree. It'd be stupid for Satan to be friends with any Angel, but lower level Demons? Sure, it's just fiction after all. Whatever makes for a good story.

>>96353323
>>96353972
>>96354005
Bro, if you want to discuss religion and morality there are other boards to do so.

>>96353978
How did God impregnate Mary? Magic.

>>96354093
>>96353323 is directly referring to games.

>>96354166
Ok, but the other guy should stop asking stupid questions.

>>96353188
namefag is correct. in any setting where the origin of demons is this, it goes without saying that they are equals as long as they don't buy into propaganda on both sides.

notably, though, modern ideas of sex demons have ruined perceptions of how these guys operate. what is love to (and between) angels and demons is likely alien to us. (The succubus won't fuck you either, she'll give you a kinkydream and suck your soul, get fukt)

>>96353092 (OP)
Depends on how deeply tied they are to their given factions/sub-factions.

>>96353103
in my game the war between heaven and hell is mainly fought through rape and sexual domination

>>96353105
If you look at the book of Job where Satan is challenging God, it kind of seems like God is educating Satan.

>>96356842
Also the Bible warns against insulting celestial entities, and then gives the example that when arguing with Satan, Michael only said "The Lord rebuke you", but went no further. It is meant to imply that even the Devil is far older than humanity and it is not humanity's place to pass judgement or offend forces older than itself, which even the highest angels grant dignity to.

Depends on the setting and what demon and angel specifically means in said setting.
Just look at SMT(which is /tg/ related) where even angels are demons, while in real life religion demons are fallen angels.

>>96354071
>>96354125
>magic
>not a miracle
Fucking scumbag heathers

>>96356868
It wasn't Michael giving the devil, who was cursed to crawl on his belly and eat dust, dignity, it was a demonstration of Michael's humility in refusing to make following orders from God into a petty argument of insults between an angel and demon. Michael was saying "You're God's problem, He'll punish you for this, those aren't my orders."

>>96353092 (OP)
No. Being friends with demons is a failure of a concept. The fact we have to repeat this cycle because retards can't help themselves is getting annoying.

>>96353092 (OP)
>Can demons and angels be friends
Yes.
Is it common? Absolutely not. It is uncommon even among those who defy their alignments. But it is possible and does happen.

>>96356842
>If you look at the book of Job where Satan is challenging God, it kind of seems like God is educating Satan.
Satan in the Book of Job is following his orders from God, acting as the prosecutor of humanity. That is their original jewish origin. Satans are a type of angel charged with pointing out all the ways that humans have failed and sinned. When Christianity came along and reinterpreted these things based on faulty understandings of Jewish myth and the Torah, they turned a class of angel into a singular evil "god" that opposes their good god, ala the Mithraic religion extant at the time of these reimaginings.

The original myth is less about God having a bet with Satan about humanity and more a morality play that says if you keep your faith in god no matter what, he will reward you. Christianity reimagines this as something it really isnt.

>>96357038
Here is the quote:

8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings. 9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”[d] 10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them.

It is about "heaping abuse on celestial beings" (cursing at God and spirits), which extends even to the Devil in this passage. It is saying basically, that you shouldn't even slander the Devil, now think about how bad it is to slander the Holy.

I don't think it's wise in general to offend forces you can't see, or God might give them the right to avenge their injury. If God passed judgement that is God's judgement and doesn't extend to mortals to have the same authority.

>>96357115
This idea comes from the Jewish "oral tradition" which was condemned specifically by Jesus for replacing the teachings of God with the teachings of men and obsessing over trivial things like washing bowls instead of goodness and genuine piety.

>>96353092 (OP)
depends on the setting

>>96357148
>which was condemned specifically by Jesus
How convenient our god man messiah specifically condemns the people and words our myths are based upon. Saying they are wrong and we are right in our alternate readings of these older myths.

Spare me the Christian propaganda.

>>96357191
How convenient to have an entire religion where only a small number of people know the true teachings and historically they would charge people for them. How many people did Jesus charge for his teachings?

>>96353092 (OP)
can peepee and poopoo be friends

>>96353092 (OP)
>>96353103
Yes, the concept of fallen, corrupted Angels is a feature of Abrahamic religions.

>>96357436
I wasn't talking about religions, I was talking about games.

>>96353092 (OP)
Traditional games?

>>96353092 (OP)
only if they lez out

>>96356358
Prove it.