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Anonymous No.96355851 >>96355873 >>96355940 >>96356239 >>96356249 >>96357283 >>96357387 >>96357960 >>96358397 >>96359211 >>96359600 >>96360325 >>96360893 >>96361579 >>96362070 >>96362125 >>96362802 >>96366539 >>96385842 >>96394067 >>96395962 >>96396151 >>96398039 >>96408214
WE PRIMARIS NOW
Anonymous No.96355868 >>96358163
lmao. Fake Marinesβ„’ = instant disqualification.
Anonymous No.96355871
what the heck....how could they use the posterboys of the franchise....i cant even....i need to dilate....
Anonymous No.96355872
Damn son, GW really crossed the Rubicon now
Anonymous No.96355873 >>96357127 >>96406483
>>96355851 (OP)
We Wuz Primariz n Shiet
Jokes aside, Mechanicum replacing IG is good. I can sleep
Anonymous No.96355897 >>96355934
The helmet looks so fucking bad when it’s straight on. Why the fuck did they design this helmet to look so shitty
Anonymous No.96355905 >>96355946 >>96355951 >>96355959 >>96355984 >>96356043 >>96356195 >>96356999 >>96357253 >>96359305 >>96361524 >>96362108 >>96362617 >>96363134 >>96364060 >>96365947 >>96377556 >>96381077 >>96385829 >>96385909 >>96385920 >>96386055
If you were GW and realized the mistake you made with introducing Primaris marines, how would you reverse that decision from a lore standpoint?
Anonymous No.96355934 >>96356043 >>96356139 >>96356952 >>96357662
>>96355897
The primaris helmet is better than mk7
sage No.96355940 >>96364661
>>96355851 (OP)
>now
>2019
least retarded shitposter
Anonymous No.96355946 >>96357690 >>96400366
>>96355905
Find a lore reason to make even bigger marines?
Anonymous No.96355951 >>96356242 >>96358226
>>96355905

Just ignore it. People are naturally lazy. Eventually, people would stop calling them Primaris Space Marines and would just call them Space Marines again.
Anonymous No.96355953
Will he make an appearance?
Anonymous No.96355959 >>96356005
>>96355905
Why would they reverse a lore decision just because people whined about it on the internet despite the clear increase in profit it generates and continues to generate?
Anonymous No.96355984 >>96356043 >>96359632
>>96355905
Introduce '40k Classic' as a new ruleset, with the setting dialed back to 3rd ed. "It's no big deal, just a fun little thing : )" Slowly shift attention from one line to the other, and quietly drop the 'Classic.' Never mention NuLore ever again. Everyone uneasily pretends it never happened.
Anonymous No.96356005 >>96356202
>>96355959
Consumer slut detected.
Anonymous No.96356043 >>96357347
>>96355934
Gas yourself.

>>96355905
Well, if I were GW, I'd tell the people complaining, "You will not be missed," and keep doubling down on bad ideas.

>>96355984
40K Classic Edition: How to use your Primaris Marines Guide
Anonymous No.96356118
Its time to move on.
Anonymous No.96356139 >>96357347
>>96355934
Gas yourself.
Anonymous No.96356195 >>96356943
>>96355905
Primaris are the missing link between marines and thunder warriors. Cawl found some old samples and documents from the Astarte project and added them back in. Bigger and stronger marines. However, it makes them genetically unstable. They can no longer live for thousands of years, it's down to a little over a standard human lifespan before they start developing cancerous tumors all over. In order to make the most of their now limited lifespan, they are kept on ice, like dreadnoughts, until the chapter needs additional firepower for a battle. GW can even add in new chapter masters that aren't primaris to use if you aren't running a primaris army.
Anonymous No.96356202 >>96356505
>>96356005
Anon you're literally begging a product to change so that it's something you xan consume
Anonymous No.96356239
>>96355851 (OP)
Cookie cutter GW modernization was a given but that gameplay looked fucking dreadful
Anonymous No.96356242 >>96356950 >>96357002
>>96355951
This. As function of how GW works all they need to do is stop producing anything for old scale Marines and stop mentioning Primaris in lore, and the only people who will bring it up after an edition or two are some salty grogs.
Anonymous No.96356249
>>96355851 (OP)
going to be worse than DOW3
Anonymous No.96356505 >>96356742
>>96356202
>"there's only one person on here who disagrees with me!"

If you like, or even *accept*, Primaris, you are GW's bitch.
Anonymous No.96356707 >>96360380
The helmet is ugly.
Anonymous No.96356742 >>96356907
>>96356505
>>"there's only one person on here who disagrees with me!"

Idk where you got that quote from but that's not what I said at all lol

>If you like, or even *accept*, Primaris, you are GW's bitch

No a hitch is one who can't move on in their life when the thing they consume changes
Anonymous No.96356907
>>96356742
No, having complete subservience to a brand or a company is the mark of a mindless consumer.

When the thing you like changes, you're not obligated to keep liking it just because it's the same brand, because it's no longer the thing you like. Being willing to change is fine, but having no ideals or tastes just so you can consume more product is not an endearing trait.
Anonymous No.96356943 >>96357292
>>96356195
Problem is all the Space marines Characters are now also Primaris so they'd have to put all them on ice or kill them off.
Anonymous No.96356950
>>96356242
That's what they're currently doing.
Anonymous No.96356952 >>96357347
>>96355934
Gas yourself, now
Anonymous No.96356999
>>96355905
It's GW. Just go "it never happened" and make everyone buy the now upscaled real marines for the third time just to keep your toys tourney legal. They do this all the time. They simply don't care and their paypigs still exist so clearly they can do anything without repercussions.

They are so infamous for it 40k has a specific term for deleting an entire faction without any explanation and then gaslighting you about it: "Squatting".
Anonymous No.96357002 >>96357655 >>96357960 >>96394072
>>96356242
Marines operate as tactical squads, assault squads, devastator squads. Not intercessors, infractors, interlopers, extractors, inspetioners, infringeors...

There are also no power armor suits beyond mk. VIII. They don't have magic hover boots, and don't use grav tanks. Primaris are fake impostors, and always will be.
Anonymous No.96357127
>>96355873
>Jokes aside, Mechanicum replacing IG is good. I can sleep
Oh, you can bet they'll be back. That's easy DLC. I'll be interested to see if they give us Tau again.
Anonymous No.96357253
>>96355905
I'd go with the Primarch partial-organ "backport" causing longer-term mental stability problems for those without a few decades for Astartes augmentations to settle as a "bridge" from baseline, leading to worse doctrinal entropy compared to the standard Chapter arrangement which mixes with the extra logistical overhead of all their Cool Shit to make them measurably worse at HOLDING the Imperium compared to the Firstborn.

Then get previous super-marine project data dredged up and cross-referenced with Cawl's for a more modest cleanup of the Firstborn's mere degeneration and rough edges, creating an intermediate that can handle whatever Primaris gear is economical to provide with "temporary" compatibility issues with the full Rubicon Primaris resulting in a piecemeal approach that simply never gets fixed as it's "good enough".

So the special characters who already crossed don't get a lingering doom that will almost certainly never be applied to them, the actual capabilities aren't lost, and the retardation of Aspect Warrior-ifying the line is undone by scattering gear options back into broader Squad types. I do not care how many bean-counters I must fire to restore the bitz box, the business model WILL be moved to upgrade sprues and Pimp My Chapter Master WILL come back.
Anonymous No.96357283 >>96357634
>>96355851 (OP)
Did you seriously expect them to put the old marines they don't even sell anymore into their new vidya?
Anonymous No.96357292 >>96359609
>>96356943
For the tabletop, that wouldn't change anything. You could just say that they git thawed out for this particular engagement. For the fluff of it, they would have to be iced most of the time with newer or other characters taking a larger role with the older boys only coming out for important decisions. Just treat them like partial dreadnoughts. Have them be a rarer thing, done only to wounded marines, and keep a few platoons of them on ice aboard the flagship.
Anonymous No.96357347 >>96360009
>>96356043
>>96356139
>>96356952
Im gonna dutch oven all of you, decrepit old timers.
Anonymous No.96357387
>>96355851 (OP)
Mods will fix it
Anonymous No.96357634 >>96357637 >>96366595
>>96357283
They made 3 total war games when WHFB didn't exist anymore.
Anonymous No.96357637 >>96366595
>>96357634
okay but they didnt care for fb at all when those games were greenlit
Anonymous No.96357655
>>96357002
>No HQs
>No Specialists
>no mention of any vehicle.
"Gimme a Space Marine without nothing"
Anonymous No.96357662
>>96355934
Any helmet is better than Mark VII. Yes, even V.
Anonymous No.96357690
>>96355946
They did that in Deliverance Lost but we know how that ended thanks to a certaint primarch
Anonymous No.96357960 >>96358069
>>96355851 (OP)
Disgusting.

Nucrons, Primaris, Copyright eldar and evnetually guard. Nothing good.

>>96357002
Ohg god the hovercraft inflation is also gross.
Anonymous No.96358069 >>96358160 >>96361705 >>96394078
>>96357960
>grav tech is super rare in the Imperium, and only practical for lightweight objects and vehicles. Something like a grav tanks, if they exist at all, are so rare as to be effectively non-existent, and only in the possession of the AdMech or ensconced within the small, secretive arsenal of the Imperial Palace. In the Galaxy, only foul Xenos make use of grav tanks.

...

...

>LoL, grav tanks are totally mundane and replace all armored vehicles for Marine chapters!
Anonymous No.96358135 >>96358144 >>96358145 >>96358176
>only 4 armies
Anonymous No.96358144
>>96358135
I mean, DoW1 was kinda like that too but I understand the complaint cuz we all know they gonna dlc the new factions.
Anonymous No.96358145
>>96358135
More as overpriced DLC if the game isn't dogshit and turns enough profit.
Anonymous No.96358160
>>96358069
>the tanks come in after 10k years of someone hiding them from retards who would autistically screech
Anonymous No.96358163 >>96360130
>>96355868
>still seething about truescale marines
post models
Anonymous No.96358167 >>96358182 >>96385872
Cawl and Primaris was a chaos plot to introduce instability to the Chapters, which the Inquisition now purges. The Imperium had been happily using the oldmarine template and unit organisation unchanged for the last 10,000 years before the Numarines came along. Change (chaos) is bad, the static old ways (as instigated by the Emperor) are good.
Anonymous No.96358176
>>96358135
Yes? 3-4 is normal for AAA RTS where each faction has a completely unique roster
Anonymous No.96358182 >>96358197
>>96358167
Cawl being a heritech is pretty obvious, but I'm not sure the Primaris upgrades themselves are tech-heresy. Cawl didn't invent anything, he finished the upgrades The Emperor decided to leave on the cutting room floor for time.
Anonymous No.96358195 >>96359205
Primas is dogshit because it goes out of its way to fuck kitbashing and any uniqueness in your models. Who the fuck is retarded enough to think making the legs and torso one piece or making it so the arms and hands are one piece was a good idea. Hell your encouraged to some extent to buy the firstborn marines because they have shit like a bunch of unique chainsword designs in the tactical squad.
Anonymous No.96358197
>>96358182
Yeah, what he did was what Corax did, really.
He isn't doing bizarre new shit with Space Marines(yet), he just got the schematics from Big E and decided to put them in process. Of course, bluey has him on a watchlist for that.
Anonymous No.96358226
>>96355951
Because grogs think that GW give a fuck about what they have to say.
Anonymous No.96358397
>>96355851 (OP)
Yes, and?
Anonymous No.96358963
Is he coming back as well? Think his penance crusade with Thaddeus should be ending by then
Anonymous No.96359205
>>96358195
>laughs in orks
Anonymous No.96359211
>>96355851 (OP)
>Secondary slop to poison innocent pre-wargaming minds with
All I wish is for Warhammer IP to die
Anonymous No.96359305
>>96355905
Make Primaris unstable or reliable or give them some other drawbacks. Make "real" marines viable again by reducing the Mary sue "betterness" of Primaris.
Anonymous No.96359465
Are there Terminators in this game? Will be interesting to see what 'edition' the available Space Marine units are tied to.
Anonymous No.96359600 >>96360035 >>96364305
>>96355851 (OP)
>never heard of the devs
>check King Art Games' website
Anonymous No.96359606 >>96360181
Oh god it's being state funded. By the (modern) Germans.
Anonymous No.96359609
>>96357292
It just seems even more unlikely they would do something like that.
Anonymous No.96359632 >>96359639 >>96359714 >>96359989 >>96360120 >>96361487 >>96364926 >>96382561
>>96355984
It's never happening because most people don't suffer from the strange form of trauma-induced brain damage which causes intense hatred of anything post 8th edition which seems mostly endemic to 4chan. I love classic marines too btw
Anonymous No.96359639 >>96359989
>>96359632
>Trauma
Yeah, low functioning aspies are like that, change creates trauma.
90% of the malding posts on /tg/ are made by low to no functioning asperger syndrome patients, you'll notice the patterns really, really quickly.
Anonymous No.96359681
Primaris-hating NPCs are just beyond all hope. We literally live in an era were GW manufactures and sells not only the "classic" tactical marines but also boxed sets with all the different marks of pre-primaris power armor. There is an entire 28mm game system dedicated to non-primaris marines.
Anonymous No.96359714
>>96359632
oink oink
Anonymous No.96359989 >>96375852
>>96359632
>>96359639
It because they have high investment in the setting. When something comes along that causes permanent and irreversible damage to the setting they react very poorly.
Anonymous No.96360009
>>96357347
No need to speak in plural, it's one sperg who learned a new phrase.
Anonymous No.96360035
>>96359600
Its Germans though. Its burgers who always take things to the extreme. After watching a YT vid with a guy who played it?

I am optimistic.
Anonymous No.96360120 >>96360233
>>96359632
Modern 40k is the best it has ever been!
Anonymous No.96360130 >>96360879 >>96382619 >>96386040
>>96358163
Bad things don't get good with age. If you like primaris you're just genuinely a dumb guy. I don't even mean that as an insult.
Anonymous No.96360181
>>96359606
>Oh god it's being state funded.
As are most works of TV, Movies, and a lot of games outside of the United States.
Anonymous No.96360233
>>96360120
I probably hate primaris more than anyone on this board barring actual autists and degenerates, and I'll say that this kind of terrain faggotry has been going on for a long, long time. That they finally managed a clear (looking) table is because they got rid of tlos, but waac tables were just as shit before.
Anonymous No.96360272 >>96360362
Feels good to be a Xenochad and ignored by GW since I'm never going to get half my army invalidated when they release Primordial Termagants or some shit
Anonymous No.96360325 >>96360422 >>96361319
>>96355851 (OP)
>RTS in 00s
>enemy team built rapid fire nuclear missile silo
>I have to triangulate position for sattelite and manually shot it down
>my tanks need to drive 10km to the north-west to prevent enemy landing
>RTS in 20s
>built a single tank to defeat single robot on the middle
Anonymous No.96360362 >>96360429
>>96360272
Definitely not a Dark Eldar fan.
Dark Eldar fans do the opposite
Anonymous No.96360380 >>96360392
>>96356707
Why so much hate for MKIV helmet?
Anonymous No.96360392 >>96360409
>>96360380
I don't hate it, but it should never have become the standard.Having it replace the angry grill helmets was a mistake.
Anonymous No.96360409
>>96360392
My guess is they went with the one that looks kinda like a Gundam face because they're trying to expand into Japan and other eastern markets.
Anonymous No.96360422 >>96360451 >>96363981 >>96364309
>>96360325
>strategy game
>can't zoom out for strategic view
Why is supreme commander the unmatchable peak of RTS?
Anonymous No.96360429 >>96360982
>>96360362
Can't you still use the pre-5th stuff though? Same units with only some wargear differences as I remember it
Anonymous No.96360451
>>96360422
C++
Anonymous No.96360879 >>96361327
>>96360130
The lore has never mattered, and you aren't smart enough to have an opinion worth listening to if you don't like the models. I don't even mean that as an insult.
Anonymous No.96360893 >>96360911
>>96355851 (OP)
Jesus how long has it been since 8th and you losers still seethe?
Do you even play? Are your models fully painted and based?
Because 'lore enjoyers' can choke on ficks and die, you faggots don't matter
Anonymous No.96360911 >>96361337
>>96360893
For as long as retards still worship the fluff that has always been an afterthought at best, people will never give up on bitching about a diegetic explanation for a new, better, model line.
Anonymous No.96360982
>>96360429
Yeah but the Dark Eldar haven't gotten anything to be updated afaik.
Also not to mention, going by appearances in game, the time gap between DoW1 Soulstorm and Rogue Trader is HUUUUUGE
Anonymous No.96361319 >>96361381
>>96360325
dow1 is completely brainless
Anonymous No.96361327 >>96362204 >>96362430
>>96360879
If you like primaris you're genuinely just a dumb guy. Not a bad thing, most people are dumb.
Anonymous No.96361337 >>96361372
>>96360911
Horus heresy and new chaos did the same thing without making it super gay and lame
Anonymous No.96361372
>>96361337
Brother have you SEEN those nu MK3 and eggminators?
Anonymous No.96361381 >>96361389
>>96361319
Even DoW1 had place for manuevering, economy harass, base trade etc
Anonymous No.96361389 >>96361400 >>96365417
>>96361381
DoW1 doesn't even allow for micro. It's not even in the same league as Starcraft 2, let alone the same genre.
Anonymous No.96361400
>>96361389
>DoW1 doesn't even allow for micro.
Akshually it does since game use suqad-based units.
Anonymous No.96361410 >>96361456 >>96362098
I just built a base and deployed an army in the old Dawn of War and now GW is forcing me to build a NEW base and deploy a NEW army or I cannot play the new edition of Dawn of War??
Anonymous No.96361456 >>96362098
>>96361410
You have to rebuild everything. They might even make you repaint your army in the army painter..
Anonymous No.96361470 >>96361484 >>96361569 >>96361755 >>96362001
According to ecelebs who got to play early builds, space marines have female 'acolytes' for some reason. They're not full space marines or sisters of battle, but it seems like GW is trying to boil the frog.
Anonymous No.96361484 >>96361562
>>96361470
>'acolytes'
Who?
Anonymous No.96361487
>>96359632
Classic marines are cool. Primaris look better overall. That being said rules wise we need to go back to 4th. The game itself is dogshit now while the models are better than ever.
Anonymous No.96361524 >>96361572
>>96355905
They could start making truescale classic marines, and stop producing primaris trash.
Anonymous No.96361562 >>96361755
>>96361484
chapter serfs
Anonymous No.96361569
>>96361470
>female space marines! i swear they exist!
Anonymous No.96361572
>>96361524
>They could start making truescale classic marines

Have you seen the entire Horus Heresy range?
Anonymous No.96361579 >>96361590
>>96355851 (OP)
Remember Eldar aren’t in the game because they play too similarly to Primaris
Anonymous No.96361590 >>96361596 >>96361709
>>96361579
>teleporting around the map with portals
>fast speed jetbikes
>basic infantry has support weapon plattforms
>all units pretty much super squishy glass canons

Yeah, i can see it.
Anonymous No.96361596 >>96361609
>>96361590
They can’t do aspect warriors because they dedicate into only one thing with almost 0 upgrades and Primaris are the exact same
Anonymous No.96361609 >>96361618
>>96361596
How do you know what upgrades would be available?
Anonymous No.96361618 >>96361641
>>96361609
Tabletop
Anonymous No.96361641 >>96361652 >>96361709
>>96361618
Dawn of War IV will be a video game Anon.
DoW1 gave us 4 special weapons per Squad of marines, the tabletop did not allow that.
DoW2 gave us all sorts of different wargear options to equip to our marines. The tabletop did not allow any of that.

What makes you think that DoW4 will follow the tabletop rules?
Anonymous No.96361652 >>96361667
>>96361641
GW is a lot more strict with its IP now
Anonymous No.96361667 >>96361715
>>96361652
You are making things up now Anon. Rogue Trader is anything but strict, nor is Space Marine 2. Both games give you a wide variety of options, completely different from the tabletop.
Anonymous No.96361705 >>96361713
>>96358069
I mean, Space Marines themselves are technically so rare as to be effectively non-existent within the majority of the setting, but that doesn't stop everyone and their cat from fielding an army of the things. Ditto for the even-rarer-then-impossibly-rare Custodes.
Anonymous No.96361709 >>96361723
>>96361590
>>fast speed jetbikes
Bikes and jetbikes aren't featured in DoW IV
>>basic infantry has support weapon plattforms
Nope, But Eliminators are exact copy of rangers and they are already featured in the SM roster.
>>all units pretty much super squishy glass canons
Actually yeah, SMs are specialists army with very few universal units

>>96361641
>Dawn of War IV will be a video game Anon.
Yep this is why it's designed around tabletop features and format (skirmish map with shitton of models) with rudiment base building.
>DoW1 gave us 4 special weapons per Squad of marines, the tabletop did not allow that.
Because DoW1 mixed tactical marines and devastators. Meanwhile in DoW4 if you want anti-tank marines your only choice are Eradicators
Anonymous No.96361713 >>96362433
>>96361705
tabletop is not equal to the fluff. Always has been like that, always will be like that
Anonymous No.96361715
>>96361667
>nor is Space Marine 2.
U sure?
Anonymous No.96361723 >>96361736 >>96361762
>>96361709
>jetbikes aren't featured

No shit, because no Eldar are featured.

>But Eliminators are exact copy of rangers
Maybe Rangers would not have been included within the Eldar range?

>SMs are specialists army with very few universal units
A tanky specialist army, compared to Eldar, who would have been a glass cannon specialist army.
Anonymous No.96361736
>>96361723
>No shit, because no Eldar are featured.
They are also not featured among playable factions of DoW 4
>Maybe Rangers would not have been included within the Eldar range?
Because..?
>A tanky specialist army, compared to Eldar, who would have been a glass cannon specialist army.
Not big difference.
Anonymous No.96361755 >>96361766
>>96361470
>>96361562
As what? The builder unit? If so, why change it from the servitor?
Anonymous No.96361762
>>96361723
>Maybe Rangers would not have been included within the Eldar range?
Rangers are half of Eldar Troops infantry. You cannot not include them when every playable faction have at least 2 types of infantry on t1
Anonymous No.96361766 >>96361801
>>96361755
>The builder unit?
Nope. DoW IV have CnC model. No builders
Anonymous No.96361801 >>96363620
>>96361766
But some cnc games (generals) have builder units and ra3 japan has those prebuilt mobile building units
Anonymous No.96361818 >>96362021 >>96362192
Thank God for Primaris
Anonymous No.96361944 >>96361963
Im looking forward to DoW4, it'll be fun to play it with my friends. I'll reserve judgement on gameplay when it releases. As for the whole Primaris aspect seeing as that's been in this thread, its sad to see the firstborn go but ultimately nothing can really be done about it as its happened, there's still the old games to go back to and Heresy models can easily be used to play older editions before 8th and the primaris wave.

It's your hobby after all, do what makes you happy.
Anonymous No.96361963 >>96361997
>>96361944
Same. I just hope for mod support, and that will sort out all the issues with Primaris anyone could ever have.
Anonymous No.96361997 >>96362013
>>96361963
I hope so, DoW DE got mod support added to it so maybe DoW4 will as well. Also hope it gets expansions like its predecessors rather then the battlesector or gladius approach of just adding in the factions after release with no story to go along with it.
Anonymous No.96362001 >>96363571
>>96361470
can you say which ones, because I watched several and so far I have not heard any mention of an acolyte unit
Anonymous No.96362013
>>96361997
Gladius has a story for each faction. It does not really have a narrative campaign anyway, but each faction has its own events happening during the regular skirmish maps, and you can either follow or ignore those. All the purchasable races also have their unique events.
It works for that game, but I doubt it would for something like DoW.
Anonymous No.96362021
>>96361818
Retard.
Anonymous No.96362070 >>96362130
>>96355851 (OP)
Notice how they specify Kronus, because they want to shit all over the Dark Crusade and pollute the memory.
Anonymous No.96362098
>>96361410
>>96361456
I have heard that in the latest one they want you to build and paint a new army for each individual game that you want to play.
Anonymous No.96362108 >>96362172 >>96362176 >>96362441 >>96365933
>>96355905
Primaris Marines are good lore-wise, but not how they were single-handedly introduced by faggot ex machina Caul.

The best way to do that would be giving hints to continuous studies into space marine creation and development, something that was already sort of worked on before, like Cursed Founding.

But of course they blew up everything and it was pull out of their ass to make up shitty drama for 40k end times.

They REALLY need a retcon of M40 timeline.
Anonymous No.96362125
>>96355851 (OP)
would you expect anything else?
Anonymous No.96362130 >>96362162
>>96362070
Yes anon, everything new is a personal attack against fans, I'm sure that they even female space Marines will appear
Anonymous No.96362162 >>96362409
>>96362130
>instant shill defensiveness
Thanks for proving my point.
Anonymous No.96362172 >>96365933
>>96362108
they should just have pulled a battletech and accepted different eras for play. like it even costs them anything to keep old molds around and rules in print
Anonymous No.96362176
>>96362108
Cawl also reads like someone's deviantart OC
Anonymous No.96362192
>>96361818
The left is walking like a nigga, finger on the trigga.
Red is doing "generic imposing Space Marine pose"
Anonymous No.96362204 >>96362223
>>96361327
This is something Oldmarines would've used and people would've glazed it desu
Anonymous No.96362223 >>96362373
>>96362204
No. Show me an equivalent. And no centurions, either.
Anonymous No.96362373 >>96362469 >>96362474 >>96362726 >>96362788
>>96362223
>"an no centurions-"
You don't want Centurions cuz they prove me right.
Too bad buddy
Anonymous No.96362409
>>96362162
That's right anon, GW and Relic has paid me eight quadrillion dollars to shill a videogame to manchildren online, how does that make feel? :)
Anonymous No.96362430
>>96361327
You are a retard and a liar.
Anonymous No.96362433
>>96361713
So why do these faggots complaint like that ever means anything? They act like imperial citizens are buying grav off the corner instead of being hyper localized to the emperors goodest babies who get a new model every 5 weeks
Anonymous No.96362441
>>96362108
> but not how they were single-handedly introduced by faggot ex machina Caul.
Because
Anonymous No.96362469
>>96362373
He didn't even have to say that because they don't.
Anonymous No.96362474 >>96365502
>>96362373
Centurion helmets are some of the coolest GW has made, wish I could find a STL of the fuckers
Anonymous No.96362617 >>96362657
>>96355905
do what GW is doing now, just silently push it away and stop mentioning it. Even the new models are using oldmarine helmets.
Anonymous No.96362657 >>96362685
>>96362617
>Even the new models are using oldmarine helmets.
Are they really?
Anonymous No.96362685 >>96362691
>>96362657
sternguard use oldmarine helmets, terminators got a reboot. 10e codex stopped mentioning primaris, primaris keyword isnt used anymore and marine keywords based on their armor type now. β€œTacticus” is standard newmarines.
Anonymous No.96362691
>>96362685
of course I think they said somewhere β€œoh yeah all the marines became primaris now lol” but expect the mention of it to go away pretty soon
Anonymous No.96362726 >>96363159
>>96362373
How do they prove you right, considering the were roundy shat on at release and continue to be shat on to this very day, only begrudgingly used by the swineiest of paypigs during periods where they're good in the game? Centurions DESTROY your point. I remember people referring to them as Battle Toddlers. 'Member the branding of the Nemesis Dreadknight as the baby carrier? Peppridge Farm remembers. I can't even remember all the derogatory nicknames that were given to the Stormhawk from Warchicken to Chibihawk.

Every time GW have fucked up when desigining Marines they have been roundly shat on and continue to be so, but there is no depth of retardation and faggotry Primarishart design can sink to without their cretinuous "fans" trying to defend it with bullshit and lies. The gocart? The shitty machinegun hovertanks? ~80% of their regular armour designs? A now NERFestator Marines. I'd say you were shameless, but I don't think you even comprehend what shame is or else you would be so overwhelmed by it you would sepukku immediately.
Anonymous No.96362788
>>96362373
No, but because they were proto-primaris garbage that stick out badly from the rest of the old look and range, and because everbody hated them and thoroughly mocked them before primaris took their throne of slop.
Anonymous No.96362802
>>96355851 (OP)
I don't know man. I'm glad AdMech is included and it's not just the basic Ultramarines slop, but I hate primaris Blood Ravens as a concept.
Anonymous No.96363134 >>96363372
>>96355905
what mistake?
Anonymous No.96363159 >>96364126 >>96369642
>>96362726
>they were shat on by-
By people who constantly think they are the ultimate authority on the franchise and not a meaningless minority of zoomers pretending to be grogs? Please, have some of that shame to not do revisionism, instead of telling others to put a rope on their necks.
I never in my life heard any of those terms. Maybe because I don't spend a quarter of my entire life on /40kg/ and actually engage with the setting elsewhere
Anonymous No.96363372
>>96363134
That people on /tg/ would be ass mad for over a decade I guess
Anonymous No.96363571 >>96363627
>>96362001
> (Gets no response after directly asking which streamer said 'female acolytes'
Speaks volumes about these faggots. It's all bullshit.
Anonymous No.96363591 >>96377150
Blood Ravens have a great paint scheme. Burgundy and cream is de fucking licious
Anonymous No.96363620 >>96364535
>>96361801
>ra3 japan
>mobile building units
Anonymous No.96363627
>>96363571
stop samefagging culture war nigger
Anonymous No.96363981
>>96360422
>Why is supreme commander the unmatchable peak of RTS?
Because it is the peak.

BAR is there for the TAbros, I hope Shattered Sun will be there for us.
Anonymous No.96364060 >>96364173
>>96355905
First born marines have been around for 10,000 years and been remarkably stable considering how short the Crusade was originally meant to be.

Because Primaris are new, they do not have the track record so for all we know, they ruin the geneseed or cause unstable mutation or mental degradation after only one or two generations of transfers.

Just make them burn out and all the Cawl hovertech/numarine gear be impossible to maintain, produce or repair at scale without the original STCs or the STCs never existed in the firstplace (which was always the lore for why hover tech wasn't common in the imperium). Have Cawl face the Inquisition for innovating instead of using established and reliable technologies and either executed or he is banished as a heritech.

Imperium loses a ton of ground from the confusion/instability/loss of production and have to transition back to the old technology where in they do a new campaign with upscaled trueborn(relabeled firstborn marines) and they have an explosive reconquest of all the primaris lost. While the remaining primaris are forced either into unique suicide companies to die and purge their weakness from the chapter for the since of Cawls heresy or become blackshields in the deathwatch and are stripped of their companies identity. Probably floating around for another edition or two before they sell the last plastic kits still in inventory and they squat them.
Anonymous No.96364126 >>96364185
>>96363159
NTA but I’m a millennial, the generation Centurions were supposed to appeal to, and we all thought they were fucking stupid beyond belief. Looking back they seem like one of the first steps to the Primaris shit. Also MkVII rules. No revision here.

To the game/topic itself. Meh. DoW3 sucked ass, and these gay Germans previous game was boring. SM2 was boring too. Back to the downturn era of 40k games I guess, though DoW revision looks great-let’s hope the modders go fuckin nuts
Anonymous No.96364173 >>96365946
>>96364060
>First born marines have been around for 10,000 years and been remarkably stable considering how short the Crusade was originally meant to be.
That would literally be a total retcon considering the huge ammount of "partially unstable chapters". Even during the Great Crusade there were unstable gene-seed and some got worst after it.
But hey, this is 10th edition, retcons are full throttle here.
Anonymous No.96364185 >>96364228
>>96364126
>"I'm a millenial-"
Explains the doomposting tangent, but then again you picked Mark VII over the Beakies. Ugh.
Anonymous No.96364219 >>96364297 >>96370588 >>96401769 >>96402041
So blood ravens are thousand sons, right?
Anonymous No.96364228
>>96364185
>I worded poorly so it looks like I'm defending DoW3
Fuck my life I hate DoW3. Even if I tolerated the story, I hated the "Oh it's Khorne again" STOP IT
Anonymous No.96364242 >>96364255
>DOW1 has SOB slaves on the Dark Eldar Dias of Destruction
>Reptentia have their tits out
Nuhammer doesn't have the stones to be this based.

I have low hopes for this game.
Anonymous No.96364255 >>96365293 >>96365371 >>96394090
>>96364242
Hey that's Soulstorm.
The first and, until Rogue Trader, only instance of the Dark Eldar in a videogame.
Anonymous No.96364297
>>96364219
very possible. lots of loyalist splinters of traitor legions were folded into new chapters.
Anonymous No.96364305 >>96364320 >>96365784 >>96373583 >>96373595 >>96385888
>>96359600
let me ask you a sincere question: do you genuinely think that because there are rainbow icons on their website, that that in any way will make the end game product worse? Or are you just barking at falling leaves?
Anonymous No.96364309 >>96377408
>>96360422
Bbecause:
1) it's been made in 00s, when devs finally got access to shitton of good hardware in masses
2) It's been made by veterans of the genre, who knew genre's fundamental issues
3) Graphic engine was written on C++, so devs weren't limited by pre-existing game engines like UE or Unity, so they were able to code every single feature, from UI overlays (paid off in Forged Alliance, which had one of the best RTS UIs along with CnC and Dune) to actual physic model for trees, water, projectiles
Anonymous No.96364320 >>96365116
>>96364305
>,let me ask you a sincere question: do you genuinely think that because there are rainbow icons on their website, that that in any way will make the end game product worse?
NTA, but it's not the rainbow itself which worries me, but what is written on that rainbow
>Hier Spielt Vielfalt
Germans aren't well known as game designers
Anonymous No.96364535 >>96364539
>>96363620
These things. I forgot what they were called before
Anonymous No.96364539
>>96364535
It's not building units. just mobile buildings, who cannot become mobile again like mcv
Anonymous No.96364661 >>96365109 >>96368584
>>96355940
God I hate 40k lore
>Captain Fabulous Caesar of the Avenging Angels
>they succ his seed out so they could sneed
>archeotech ex machina
>then something magical happened
Anonymous No.96364926
>>96359632
God, I love classic Marines so much. Look at that cute little guy, uwu. Such SOVL, much wow
Anonymous No.96365087 >>96365387 >>96372870
Theorycrafting
Anonymous No.96365109
>>96364661
What is bothering you?
Anonymous No.96365116 >>96365288
>>96364320
German game devs rely on governmental funds. to get those funds, they need to put this stuff on their website. Simple as that.
Anonymous No.96365288
>>96365116
>German game devs rely on governmental funds.
And that's the double problems.
>devs are germans
>they aren't competent enough and rely on government gibs
Anonymous No.96365293
>>96364255
Gladius has Dark Eldar too
Anonymous No.96365371
>>96364255
It's the only one.
Rogue Trader has Drukhari, that perhaps got you confused :)
Anonymous No.96365387 >>96370318
>>96365087
Eldar fans are so greedy, they already have 2.5 armies, what they need exodites for?
Anonymous No.96365417
>>96361389
DoW1 is good precisely because of that
It's kind of like somewhere between an autistic tactical RTS and classic RTS
Anonymous No.96365502
>>96362474
https://files.catbox.moe/1kscir.rar
proxy
Anonymous No.96365784
>>96364305
Yes, always. If you spend your time, focus and money in that, you stop spending it in making a good game.
Anonymous No.96365933 >>96370407
>>96362108
It's not quite bad worldbuilding when you step back from the awful writing of it being slapped down all at once, because they actually gave him more than enough time to pull all this off given how much more rapid the Great Crusade was. Introducing more period-specific lines like the Horus Heresy to insert earlier versions of the Primaris lineup with various issues and support staff doing a lot of the startup, peripheral, and refinement work Cawl acts as project lead and integrator for could do a lot to soften people's issues without quite retconning that initial bad writing, essentially backfilling a better handling of it that wouldn't have made much sense under the preceding setting and product release paradigms.

Said support staff being involved in the Cursed Founding could be used to transfer data from it to Cawl, perhaps having one of those chapters with little lore be a Primaris field-test using the Cursed Founding as cover with an end directly rooted in the technical difficulties such data resolved. Perhaps a Blood Angel successor pushed to full Revenant Legion from Red Thirst issues with the last survivor of it put in the Lamenters revival through the Rubicon Primaris applying a descendant of their fix, thus being a single special character model that can be used in both a period line and modern 40k simply by changing the paint scheme.

>>96362172
>like it even costs them anything to keep old molds around and rules in print
Actually, such molds degrade in precision if stored outside specific conditions and at GW scales there's similar constraints on printing plates. Though leaving old rulebooks on low-volume print-to-demand waves where they take the order and wait for a reasonable run to fulfill them could work, and I could see some Web 3.0 bullshit keying STL access to GW-policeable NFTs working for them to make money off arbitrarily-old models without having to pay for storing or remaking molds.
Anonymous No.96365946
>>96364173
I think the point is that they made it something like 20 times their expected service life with a small fraction the intended genetic engineering support on a stopgap secondary production methodology.
Anonymous No.96365947 >>96366526 >>96372757 >>96372861 >>96375778 >>96378904
>>96355905
Primaris are only bad because they make the little marines look like chumps. Having both of them around will never work, just change everyone into primaris.
Anonymous No.96366526 >>96370421
>>96365947
then we'd just get biggerer marines after that
Anonymous No.96366539
>>96355851 (OP)
IG is most likely next. There's lasgunners, a Rogal Dorn, and a Sentinel in the footage they released
Anonymous No.96366595 >>96366784
>>96357634
>>96357637
and then with the success of WHTW, we now have Grand Cathay in TOW
Anonymous No.96366784
>>96366595
I was under the impression that TOW was already underway with some thought to Cathay, with CA contributing mostly detail-work to fit Total War.
Anonymous No.96368584
>>96364661
This is the opposite of AoS haters doung retarded greentexts. Just as retarded
Anonymous No.96369642 >>96369855
>>96363159
NTA but you're full of shit. You're calling people that aren't glazing Centurions of all things "a meaningless minority of zoomers pretending to be grogs" while saying THEY consider themselves "the ultimate authority on the franchise". And you're complaining about revisionism and asking people to have a sense of shame. Hypocritical. Zero self awareness. No theory of mind.
Never heard people calling the stupid dreadknight a baby carrier? Maybe there was an equivalent in your native language, maybe you didn't get exposed to it because your milieu is half a dozen guys with level 2 autism that haunt a local store, and love GW like cult members because the scale of the company allows for your participation. I was around at the time, active on the tournament scene, people out there active in the real world aren't afraid of being critical about what they feel to be shitty elements of something they still enjoy.
Anonymous No.96369855 >>96372717
>>96369642
>You're calling people that aren't glazing Centurions of all things "a meaningless minority of zoomers pretending to be grogs" while saying THEY consider themselves "the ultimate authority on the franchise"
Because it's harsh cold truth. But sure, "zero awareness", "hypocrisy" keep it up. I'm gonna tell people to have shame.
>Never heard people calling the stupid dreadknight a baby carrier?
Everyone did and especially the 10th edition one, I'm talking about the Centurion because I don't give a flying shoit about Grey Knights, especially now. Do you believe I will fall for that horseshit?
>was around at the time, active on the tournament scene, people out there active in the real world aren't afraid of being critical about what they feel to be shitty elements of something they still enjoy.
Nigga I criticzed Primaris when they got released in 2017. I criticize femstodes 2025 for being pulled out of nowhere. I even called AoS trash that replaced Fantasy when Total War Warhammer 1 was released, and thought it being "more 40k than 40k" was horrible.
You think you're with "real people" because you tourneyfag? Don't make me laugh. Of all the things you said, I genuinely find insulting a Tourneyfag has the audacity of claiming of being criticial to a "shitty" thing of a game he likes when you fuckers are the reason 40k is getting shitty.
Don't tell me to have shame or telling me that I shouldn't tell others to have shame when retards like you are the main source of 10th edition being such streamlined, dull garbage.
Anonymous No.96370318 >>96370515 >>96393449
>>96365387
>eldar have 2.5 armies
>meanwhile slopmaris has separate armies for blood angels, space wolves, ultramarines, iron hands, dark angels, salamanders, imperial fists, white scars, raven guard
>evil slop marines have world eaters, emperors children, death guard, 1k sons, and black legion
>HH is a dedicated marineslop game with 18 more marineslop armies that are all the same, just color swapped with a new marvel hero leading them
the marinefag cries out in pain as he calls you greedy
Anonymous No.96370407
>>96365933
Awful writing is the whole gist of the issue. You can't just step away from that.
Cawl himself is a fucking nobody barging into the lore. Same as... ugh... what was his name... Vashtor. Just to be loyalist Fabius Bile, and Mechanical Fabius Bile respectively.

All what you say might be sound and good, but it still doesn't take the fallout of Primaris introduction any.
And, most importantly, GW won't apologize and admit doing shit to it's customers, which is the whole point it even happened in the first place.
Anonymous No.96370421
>>96366526
And greener.
Anonymous No.96370515
>>96370318
Kek.
Anonymous No.96370588
>>96364219
They're more likely to be word bearers brothers judging by what we've seen in games.
Anonymous No.96372717 >>96376173
>>96369855
>Because it's harsh cold truth.
No. It's a cope because you're autistic and triggered by opinions that differ from ones you hold strongly. Same as blaming tournament players for 10th sucking. GW are responsible. They will try and make it appeal to normies more and more so long as people like you enable them.
Anonymous No.96372757
>>96365947
Ironically this is actually what GW is currently doing. There's no such thing as "Primaris Terminators" as opposed to "Terminators" they're all just "Terminators".
Anonymous No.96372861 >>96372997 >>96375834
>>96365947
This will never not make me laught considering the existence of Absolute Batman and how people love it
Anonymous No.96372870
>>96365087
Eldar have been replaced by Admech, not by Necron. Elder are a "good" faction, compared to Necron being straight on an evil one. In most scenarios and situations you can replace Eldar with Admech while only slightly tweaking it, while you can't do the same with Necron.
Anonymous No.96372997 >>96373197
>>96372861
What the fuck is that
Anonymous No.96373197 >>96377184
>>96372997
Literally Bigger Batman.

It's a new comic book serie about Batman where the catch is that everything is bigger. Batman is a 6' 9" 421 pounds monstrosity that uses his symbol as a gigantic battle-axe, the Batmobile Is one of those gigantic mining trucks and so on
Anonymous No.96373583
>>96364305
>do you genuinely think that because there are rainbow icons on their website, that that in any way will make the end game product worse?
Yes. It shows they have zero confidence in their actual product and have to pad their wallet with ESG funds (not anymore lel) and hide from criticism behind the faggot shield
Anonymous No.96373595
>>96364305
>do you genuinely think that because there are rainbow icons on their website, that that in any way will make the end game product worse?

It doesn't necessarily make the end product worse, it just increases the chances that it will be bad.
Anonymous No.96375778 >>96375783 >>96380861 >>96382823
>>96365947
that pic makes no sense when this isn't a single character but hole race of super soldiers getting improved. its like complaining we should still use tanks from ww2 than the ones we have now.
Anonymous No.96375783 >>96376564
>>96375778
breakfast status?
Anonymous No.96375834
>>96372861
"Alpha-World" from the Absolute titles isn't the main DC universe though. Even DC weren't stupid enough to do what GW did.
Anonymous No.96375852 >>96376210
>>96359989
The rift was what changed the setting severely. 'Primaris' has a lore impact of 0.001 percent, whilst the rift is a HUGE upheaval of the setting.
Anonymous No.96376173 >>96376669
>>96372717
>No. It's a cope because you're autistic and triggered by opinions that differ from ones you hold strongly
The only cope I see is a Tourneyfag not wishing to admit the streamlining is done to appeal to them. Your "differing opinions" is what's making GW make it more streamlined.
"I-It's GWs fault to appeal to normies-" Doesn't change YOU are enabling them to do so. Not me. I'm not the one that wants that force org straight out of Age of Sigmar.
Anonymous No.96376210 >>96385900
>>96375852
Actually it does not. Yes it's there, but it's effects and pretty much the entirety of imperium nihilius are ignored. If someone needs to cross the rift, they can do so "with great difficulty" but that hardly matters because they reach the other side anyway.
Besides that, it does not do anything.
Anonymous No.96376564 >>96376593
>>96375783
eatin?
Anonymous No.96376593
>>96376564
but what if... you weren't?
Anonymous No.96376669 >>96377071
>>96376173
>Your "differing opinions" is what's making GW make it more streamlined.
No. I'm talking about your demonstrated malding when peoples aesthetic gripes differ from your own. You're imagining I'm talking about rules when you have no idea what I think about 40k's mechanics and design tropes.
Repeating what I wrote as if I'm stuttering won't alter the fact that changes to points are absolutely GW trying to make the game more normie friendly. Obviously, so obvious I shouldn't have to write it, serious competitive players are obviously all about tinkering with points efficient loadouts for different army lists. They don't want simple listbuilding, same as every other experienced demographic.

The chain of responsibility for most actual tournament induced bullshit (terrain in this example) is thus:
>GW writes shitty rules
>Frontline Gaming creates a tournament package
>tournament scene went along with all their shit because muh international rankings
>Casual players go along with whatever the competitive players are doing out of convenience for pick-up games (all you ever seem to play)
>GW (now in an era where they actually must do a bit of observation or even actual market research) sees how people are playing and makes changes to fit
"""People""" like you invariably ignore your own position in the chain of responsibility and GW whenever possible.

I was a casual participant in the tournament scene and that was because they were and still are the main large social event for 40k players. Despite how strongly you feel about tournament attendance from your mouthing off online, none of you actually organise alternatives. You don't even play narrative games when you have the chance because you'd have to put more than min effort to organise a game. To be fair even if you weren't lazy inept faggots, nobody is going to want to go to an event run by somebody that they can smell before they see.
Anonymous No.96377071 >>96377197
>>96376669
>"No. I'm talking about your demonstrated malding when peoples aesthetic gripes differ from your own"
The only malding I see is the refusal to accept Tourneys are faggots and it's pathetic you think you can even speak to me as if think your opinion matters. Had you not even uttered you that, I would've just shut up and conceeded. But I'm not gonna get lectured by Tourney Fag of ALL people.
>"I was a casual participant in the tournament scene-"
Don't care, still a tourneyfag. Besides, you yourself admitted casuals go with whatever metaheads go with, so you admit you follow the meta like a sheep.
>"Despite how strongly you feel about tournament attendance from your mouthing off online, none of you actually organise alternatives."
And why don't you if you bitch soo much about how GW screwed it up as if we don't even know? Do you think I don't know about the Storm of Chaos disaster?
>"To be fair even if you weren't lazy inept faggots, nobody is going to want to go to an event run by somebody that they can smell before they see."
Speaking from experience, it seems. Oh wait, you went to actual GW tourneys, of course you smell.
Anonymous No.96377150
>>96363591
I unironically prefer Blood Ravens to Ultramarines just due to the paint scheme.
Anonymous No.96377184
>>96373197
It oddly works as a series, even if it's very stupid and very silly
Anonymous No.96377197
>>96377071
Why do you hate Tournament players that much, anon?
Anonymous No.96377408
>>96364309
>to actual physic model for trees, water, projectiles

Had artillery take down the Tzar (Flying super) once in the game. I couldn't believe it, every projectile is in the game from the barrel till it hits something.
Anonymous No.96377556 >>96381086
>>96355905
Literally just use the equivalent old marine datasheet with the new models.
>inceptors and aggressors = different patterns of centurion armour
>reivers/eliminators = scouts
>eradicators/desolators = devastators
>intercessors/heavy intercessors = tactical squad
>jump pack intercessors = assault marines
>hellblasters/infernus marines = 30k style tactical support squad
>invictor warsuit goes straight to hell
Anonymous No.96378904 >>96379332 >>96382236
>>96365947
lmao, I hate them for completely different reasons (which speaks badly about primaris since there are different "schools of thought" about why they suck).
I hate that they are mono pose, making every army look too similar. I also hate the gameplay. tactical/assault/devastator squads brought a lot of customization to each unit, you could design those units with very different kind of goals in mind, the weapon versatility made it a lot of fun for me.
But Primaris?, come on dude!, is all or nothing, every single marine in the unit HAS to carry the same type of weapon, is bullshit, you cant customize your intercessors for different enemies, you can only get your bolt rifles and that's it.
Also, the use of the heavy armor (gravis) is so random, the guys carrying flamers (sorry, Pyreblasters) don't have heavy armor but the fast flying unit with high mobility has it?, wtf?.
The names are also super dumb. Tactical, Assault and Devastator immediately give you an idea of what the unit does (versatility, quick melee and heavy damage), but wtf is a intercessor?, what does an inceptor?, why can't the guys with the meltas be called hellblasters and the guys with plasma be called Eradicators?, all the names are stupid and nonsensical except Infernus Squad, that's the only unit that you immediately get what they do, the only primaris unit with a good name.
I like the new models tho, they are super good in execution, but as a DA player I miss when the divergent chapters had more pieces of unique aesthetic, the robes over the armor in case of the green wing, and the old Ravenwing bikes, they had such a different aesthetic to other chapters, now all you have are the same robes under the armor that everyone else gets and the same outrider bike but with a single wing on the back (Blood angels players are fucked tho, they used to have their own tactical and death company boxes, now all they have are intercessors painted with different colors, lol also, the new SG is dogshit)
Anonymous No.96379332
>>96378904
>like the new models tho, they are super good in execution
Technically they're fine, but there's not one single good reason for them to be taller than Chaos Legionnaires or HH Marines. Or to have created Mk. X armor. Or to have done anything at all except release new kits in line with the classic designs.

The vehicles are complete shit.
Anonymous No.96380861
>>96375778
How do you miss the point this badly?
Anonymous No.96381077
>>96355905
Completely ignore it fluffwise and merge the two rules wise. Don't deny it or change it, just stop mentioning it other than as a footnote. Let people argue about which of them got squatted. Either apply the "tacticus" keyword to manlet units, which at this point is just tacticals, devastators and vanguards, or remove the keyword entirely. Then update the tactical squad box to more appropriate scale, give them an actual unit rule, and slowly introduce older armor pattern parts in future marine boxes. If anything, make older armor marks a typical feature among veteran units.
Anonymous No.96381086
>>96377556
I'd sort Hellblasters under devastators too.
Anonymous No.96382236
>>96378904
>execution
desu i'm not sure this means anything anymore. are there even any real technical restraints to miniatures produced the way gw does it anymore? some limit in fidelity of detail, maybe, but otherwise it seems they can just mold any arbitrary computer render. at what point, execution seems meaningless and all that remains is design. and the design is shit.

i guess you'd also want to consider the hobby aspects, of course, how the mini is built and holds up and how it is to paint and kitbash with and such, but GW is at least a decade behind in all that
Anonymous No.96382561
>>96359632
The federal government going to kill every last Primarch/Primaris fan and as a sign of cooperation, the British government will force GW to stop producing them at gunpoint. You realize that, right? It's over for you. We're going back to 3rd edition.
Anonymous No.96382619
>>96360130
There are a few bad designs, I'll give you that, but then again every single arm line has shitty models. Either proxy them for better models, print better designed versions yourself or don't run them, easy peasy.
Anonymous No.96382823
>>96375778
You've identified one of the main problems without even being aware of doing so.
Anonymous No.96383876 >>96384942
https://archive.ph/vmLY2
tl;dr the devs are saying that they know most people are going to play single player and nothing else, and are promising to focus on that.
Hopefully they'll keep to that, did Iron Harvest even have a multiplayer scene?
Anonymous No.96384942 >>96398000
>>96383876
>tl;dr the devs are saying that they know most people are going to play single player and nothing else, and are promising to focus on that.
DoA
Anonymous No.96385829
>>96355905
Absolutely cannot happen because to remove them you have to remove Guilliman coming back and Cawl and to really fix things the fall of Cadia.

You know what I've done? Contrived lore for my custom chapter where they get a tonne of helmets from a forge world that only has the mark 4 helmet design, because primaris helmets look similar, as well as having a tonne of mark 6 helmets from being a raven guard successor since I used HH models too. I avoid any distinctly primaris units or vehicles, no hover tanks for example. For me the 40K universe is still what it was before the fall of cadia, that's what's canon for me.

If you want to make the best of a bad situation you have to put the Imperium in a position where it wishes none of this had ever happened. Part of the problem with the newer lore is in a setting defined by decline and lost knowledge and dramatic irony, of impending doom and the dying of the light, an setting defined by losing technology over time and dwindling, scarce high tech resources, a super powered god man of a forgotten golden era who lacks any dramatic irony ignorance of how bad things are came back to life to save everyone, bringing with him millions of brand new, high tech super soldiers for free who are also in many cases from the distant pass so again, no dramatic irony or authentic portrayal of a dying civilisation that cant even remember how it used to think in better days.

You have to have all of that go to shit so badly that the Imperium regrets Guillimans return and the coming of the primaris. You have to retroactively try and salvage it by making it an absolute disaster in disguise that ultimately leaves them worse off.
Anonymous No.96385842
>>96355851 (OP)
I know it's not rational to expect GW to okay such a "big name" game that doesn't promote their currently produced model lines...but it still hurts my soul a little every time I see what could have been a cool game ruined by Primarisharts.
Anonymous No.96385872 >>96396089
>>96358167
Go further. In fact, every single moment of the IP from the inception of Gathering Storm was a psychic vision being experienced by an Inquisitor who ran into Cawl in M34, with some extra added fluff to make it clear that all his justifications were lies and he's just a truly batshit crazy Heretek who wants to make clone-golem Primarchs, and upon recovering from the horrors witnessed the Inquistor immediately shoots Cawl in the face until his brain melts out of his skull, restoring the original no Primaris, no Primarchs, no time faggotry future of 40K in 999.M41.

This retcon should be followed up by the public execution of everyone involved with the Primaris Debacle, by means of attaching the classic Marine statue to a crane in the WHW car park and dropping it on them one by one. After which point, the golden Shitcast should be toppled like a fucking Saddam statue and replaced with its now gore-encrusted predecessor as a warning to all future executives and dangerhairfag "creatives".
Anonymous No.96385888
>>96364305
If you're hiring people to meet quotas and firing people because of HR struggle sessions, then you're not building the best quality team, and so you will not produce the best quality products. DEI is demonstrably and irrefutably one of the major factors responsible for the decline of the entertainment industry in recent years, and that you would even attempt to insinuate otherwise means you're either a colossal fucking retard or a bad faith actor.
Anonymous No.96385900
>>96376210
It was a pretty big deal if you happened to have your decades-long RPG friend group lore set in part of the galaxy that got turned into a devil's butthole.
Anonymous No.96385909
>>96355905
lorewise the primaris are still only experimental genetic upgrades attempting to recreate the strength of thunder warriors that are almost as unstable and unsuited to replace firstborn so there is still a need for traditional marines and were introduced as a dire counter measure to stem the incoming chaos tide after the fall of cadia and the equipment is just more admech variants to existing shit like admech has always done.

Tabletop rulewise the primaris and firstborn are now mostly the same datasheets and interchangeable. IE firstborn tacticals and intercessors are the same squad, hellblasters are just a devastator squad with plasma cannons and primaris/firstborn can be affected by eachothers HQs and use eachothers transports. There is no more primaris keyword or any restriction.
Anonymous No.96385920 >>96385936 >>96386060
>>96355905
I tell every firstborn player to melt their models and leave the hobby, I publish 70 books exclusively featuring primaris and every other faction exterminating all firstborn who refuse to convert, then I spend the next 10 years publishing my climbing earnings reports.
Anonymous No.96385936
>>96385920
The only people who read those books will be people rooting for the firstborns and they'll just read it as like a 70 book assassination of Jesse James.
Anonymous No.96386040
>>96360130
If you liked Space Marines you were already, at best, verging on Dumb Guy. They are an intensely child-coded design. Big Brave Strong Muscle Men In Suits of Armour Who Fight To the End. You were the lowest common denominator before Primaris, and quibbling over knee armour or whatever doesn't elevate you above a Primaris-liker.
Anonymous No.96386055
>>96355905
Convert all Firstborn in Primaris so the term Primaris ceases to exists, reflecting it in that firstborn Squads have "Tacticus" in their keywords.
That simple really, problem solve.
Anonymous No.96386060
>>96385920
Anonymous No.96393449
>>96370318
>>HH is a dedicated marineslop game with 18 more marineslop armies that are all the same, just color swapped with a new marvel hero leading them
it didn't use to be that way, you could drop an ap2 pieplate and blow terminators to kindom cum.
my army used to eat marines for breakfast, '
the paste eating rules writers decided it was unfair that his marines could die and his terminators got blowed up when he played them so he gave them 2 wounds, nerfed all artillery, gave them a rerollable save, allowed them to spread out 3 inches and made it so enemies with lower weaponskill struggled to hit them in melee so nobody could challenge his marines again.
seriously, plasma weapons no longer ignore armour BUT HERE'S THIS NEW GUN
power weapons are fucking breaching, my fucking vorax struggle to put down marines
god all they had to do was give eldar and orks a place in heresy, they don't even need new models make a pirate faction, make a misc xeno cosair faction just like cults and militia. poor Alan, you died too soon.
Anonymous No.96393634 >>96393871 >>96394568 >>96395652
This whole thread is reminding me that the reason TTS died was because GW hated how critical it was of the Inquisition and Belisarius Cawl despite the fact that it memed a new revenue stream (Custodes) into existence.
Anonymous No.96393871 >>96395652
>>96393634
>Parody Series famous for spreading memelore begins taking itself too seriously
>Starts dying
>Decides to shit on Primaris to appeal to the lowest common demoninator
>Gets destroyed permanently instead
LMAO
Anyways, deserved.
Anonymous No.96394067
>>96355851 (OP)
>Guardsman are just NPC fodder in missions
This is suffering.
Anonymous No.96394072
>>96357002
>Marines operate as tactical squads, assault squads, devastator squads.
Those are not trademarkable, so no, they do not operate as those formations.
Anonymous No.96394078
>>96358069
What's extra silly is they gave the Necrons a fancy new walker. The game devs did a good job of making it look alien by making it hyper-stable, but when every other Necron war machine floats why do they have a Martian walker instead of the Admech?
Anonymous No.96394090
>>96364255
Battlefleet Gothic has Dark Eldar too.
Anonymous No.96394568 >>96395652
>>96393634
>spent years releasing an episode maybe once per 3-4 months, some of which were just batreps
I'm sure it died because of GW and not because Alfa is a hack who found himself out of ideas writing a Gathering Storm fanfic instead of just taking jokes from 1d4chan.
Anonymous No.96395652 >>96396040
>>96393634
>>96393871
>>96394568
This is what really happened.

>alfabusa makes a retarded fucking fan series of already old-by-then /tg/ jokes that moves the plot forward. You know, as a joke.
>completely fucking retarded 40k fans see this series moving the plot forward in the worst and most meme-y way possible (Emperor shuts down the Inquisition, primarchs coming back etc) and lap it up, saying that TTS should be "da true canon!" because they jerk off to primarchs and think 1d4chan memes are canon
>gw notices this and coupled with the popularity of the HH series decides to move the plot forward with the awfully written Gathering Storm, which is received well because 40k fans soifaced over a primarch returning despite completely destroying the themes of the setting
>gw later shuts down tts during the fan content purge

Alfabusa successfully made 40k move in the shittiest direction possible and later states that he regrets ever making TTS (after it was shut down, of course)
Anonymous No.96395962 >>96395967
>>96355851 (OP)
I get irrationally angry whenever I see slopmaris helmet, holy fuck this thing is a study in ugly and soulless design.
Anonymous No.96395967
>>96395962
It was designed by committee to be less threatening to children than the old angry face MK7 helmet
Anonymous No.96396040 >>96396089
>>96395652
>it's the TTS's fault
that doesn't make any sense on any level.
I'm sure that video they made about the screaming fucking dorf made them want to do endtimes.
makes more sense to me that they wanted to redo the marines, have the same large scale even/reboot that aos had.
it's not like the edition following gathering storm wasn't them throwing out the 30 some odd year ruleset in favour of greatly simplified system like AoS.
I genuinely wonder how AoS would have done if they just kept the setting but made it totally grimdark, with the world half swamped in chaos and death.
Anonymous No.96396089 >>96396201
>>96396040
Grimdark is not only anathema to GW, but also you, TTS fan. TTS is anything but grimdark, yet its retarded fans kept shouting "this should be canon, this should be canon" over and over, and even used it to try and bring in new fans. Imagine what kinds of fucking retarded opinions you might have if TTS was your first impression of 40k. Every Primarch loving faggot on this planet deserves to be fucking crushed to death in the manner >>96385872 describes. Fucking marvelhammer loving faggots.
Anonymous No.96396151
>>96355851 (OP)
>Retards still making the Primaris/Firstborn distinction (let alone sperging out about it) when truescale revision has reached even 30K at this point

Give it a rest already, the Primaris bullshit was just a marketing term for scale revision like everybody with more than one brain cell was claiming from the start
Anonymous No.96396201 >>96396275
>>96396089
>>this fucking incoherent melty
brother, i am literally saying that nothing you fucking said made any sense.
do you understand this?
it is not logical.
nothing i said indicates that i fucking like it, i stopped reading GW fluff since around late 5e.

TTS has ultimately little impact, heresy was out for years before, Primarchs were being pushed out years before, but i don't even think it's the heresy grog's fault. GW did the same thing to sigmar that they did to Gulliman, "this is the fastest way to make money, let's take it." it's obvious and if you do want to blame the fans, blame them for continuing to support gw for years and years.

about grimdark, you stupid fucking degenerate this is a hypothetical, about how AoS would have gone over if they did the same as they did with the dark millennium i.e. soft reboot, put their marketing boys in, made the rules insufferably bland, etc. the only difference is they kept the setting.
i wonder if there'd be a melty at all because warhammer fans like yourself will eat shit out of a cows ass and beg for more.
Anonymous No.96396275
>>96396201
>do you understand this?
he doesn't

pretty evident that he's been having this conversation with himself so often he's gone loony
Anonymous No.96396361 >>96397505 >>96397942
>Marvelhammer
What does that even mean?
Anonymous No.96397505 >>96397904
>>96396361
It's an adequate description of what primarchs have done to 40k's storytelling.
Anonymous No.96397904 >>96397945
>>96397505
I'm not getting anything from that besides "Well that just happened" and "he's right behind me, isn't he?" type of humour.
Anonymous No.96397942 >>96398033
>>96396361
I think he's trying to say that the focus on the big personalities of the setting detract from everything.
Story structure and writing apes the marvel style meaning its consistent retreading the same thing while shoving marketiable characters into your face rather than anything substantive.
take a look at the arks of omen. the BBEG is trying to collect the Magguffin to do bad thing and then everything blows up, every non-named character dies and nothing really changes.
the stakes are:
>thing that didn't exist before doesn't exist anymore,

i think this was more apt if you were to point at the MTG set structure, like the guildpack was trying to be infinity war, but like Warhammer is setting where superpowered beings fight wars with no conclusion rather than being a story about the tragic collapse and fall of humanity, degenerating from a post scarcity culture of the golden age into a superstitious warmongering empire that can barely hold against it's impending collapse.
Anonymous No.96397945 >>96398033
>>96397904
No, I'm describing CAPESHIT. Once primarchs get involved, 40k ceases being grimdark and instead becomes the Primarch show, entirely centered on primarchs and their doings, and 40k fans lap it up. They soiface and buy primarch joytoys while screaming about how their favorite Big Space Marine is best.
Anonymous No.96398000
>>96384942
I play Stellaris only on single player. RTS can be fun without dealing with cheese strats and proxy rushers who cuss you out win or lose.
Anonymous No.96398033
>>96397942
Yeah that makes much, much more sense. Like, look at the Eye of Terror campaign where Chaos Won and took Cadia but then they had to rewrite this to make a stalemate until Abaddon destroyed it in like Gathering Storm(if my memory is correct). Also yeah, Arks of Omen went NOWHERE. Like, what happened with the Key and the Lock? It's like it never existed despite giving it soo much effort by having Angron, Farsight and Lion on the mix

>>96397945
>capeshit
Not gonna bother reading after that.
Anonymous No.96398039 >>96398457 >>96399144
>>96355851 (OP)
>Primaris Helmet
God I hate that thing so much how could they abandon the Angry helmet for that shit

old Marines looked like they did war crimes for breakfast, I could see them gunning down civilians that wanted to work 23 hours per day instead of 24.
Primaris though just look weak and effeminate, they look like they wouldn't kill non-combatants or enforce the bloodiest most brutal regime imaginable. they look like they would even respect the fucking geneva conventions
Anonymous No.96398457
>>96398039
>Primaris though just look weak and effeminate, they look like they wouldn't kill non-combatants or enforce the bloodiest most brutal regime imaginable
Funny cuz there's a part of a story where they kill civllians because one was too old to listen when they told him not to call other civillians, so they decided to wipe them all out
Anonymous No.96399144
>>96398039
Don't worry anon, give it ten years and GW will make primaris-primaris marines who wear angry faced helmets as nostalgia bait and to distract you from the fact they'll be female
Anonymous No.96400291 >>96400359
>dawn of war 3 becomes more abstracted and game-y
>40k fans revolt en masse!!!!
>40k becomes more abstracted and game-y in 8th edition, released in the same year (and onwards)
>40k fans love it and accept it, enabling GW to continue to gameify and abstract it even further in 9th and 10th, to much praise and adoration

Why the fuck are 40k players like this?
Anonymous No.96400359 >>96400387
>>96400291
>>dawn of war 3 becomes more abstracted and game-y
maybe it's because DoW became a MOBA
Anonymous No.96400366 >>96401736
>>96355946
Chaos didn't need a reason and their minis got larger over the years, nobody gives a shit if they just release a truescale model range without a lore explanation behind it.
Anonymous No.96400387 >>96400391 >>96400405
>>96400359
8th, 9th, and 10th editions play more like fucking MOBAs than actual wargames.
Anonymous No.96400391
>>96400387
You just gonna keep saying shit or are you gonna get hit
Anonymous No.96400405 >>96400430
>>96400387
no they play like boardgames..
the fuck are you talking about?
i am an anti-fan of 40k and i still think you're retarded.
Anonymous No.96400430 >>96400442 >>96400528
>>96400405
>they play like board games

EXACTLY. meanwhile previous editions and historical wargames play like actual WARGAMES, tactical simulations with a focus on immersion and trying to simulate the battle. A narrative experience.
Anonymous No.96400442
>>96400430
I mean really the only edition with a real focus on immersion and narrative was 2nd edition and GW killed it in 1999, but go off.
Anonymous No.96400528 >>96402263 >>96406787
>>96400430
>. meanwhile previous editions
Were oversized skirmish ruleset, just as current edition.
Anonymous No.96401736
>>96400366
The "Primaris lore justification" is actually a "renaming our product with more trademarkable names" and "shifting the product's artstyle to more mainstream tastes" justification primarily, but those are still disgusting justifications, so many people don't even bother including them in their bashing
Anonymous No.96401769
>>96364219
Probably, but Word Bearers would be cooler (And Eliphas's obsession with them would make sense).
Anonymous No.96402041
>>96364219
Maybe so, maybe not
Anonymous No.96402263
>>96400528
Every single 10th edition player will be killed and crucified in front of Warhammer World until GW makes their game more like a 28mm ww2 skirmish game, with realistic tactics and lore accuracy. Any who speak against this will be the first to be crucified
Anonymous No.96403343 >>96403507
As primaris units the Blood Ravens can no longer utilise their extensive relic armoury.
Anonymous No.96403507
>>96403343
Now watch as they modify them like they do with Mark VII and VI helmets
Anonymous No.96406483
>>96355873
Elem fucking Mayo.
Anonymous No.96406787
>>96400528
I get the feeling you've not played any of the rulesets if you think.
WHAT'S THE MATTER 10E BOY, AFRAID YOU MIGHT PLAY A GAME THAT ISN'T A DOPAMINE TRAP?
Anonymous No.96408214
>>96355851 (OP)
Primaris Orks?!? Relic went too far this time