Thread 96362067

Polymorphing a charging elephant into a small turtle would cause the creature to literally shoot forward like a meteor (around 80,000 mph) either incinerating it, splattering it against a wall, or launching it over the horizon, purely because of conservation of mass.

hehe transmute nukes hehe

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>>96362067 (OP)
As funny as the Peasant Railgun was, anon, there's a reason people don't seriously argue this shit should be allowed in games

Cause it's silly

*casts Create Water in bad guys lungs* gg ez

This is why ALL magic in ALL fiction is artificial as hell. It goes out of its way to ignore basic physics for the sake of some game. Even religion is like this. Lightning in fantasy games always moves slowly so the martial can dodge it.

>>96362193
Considering most wizards would have their arms reduced to stumps from by a sudden conflagration exploding from their hands, of course it's artificial as hell. All this shit cuts both ways, realism anon.

>>96362067 (OP)
That's conservation of momentum, not mass. Unless the spell makes a very dense turtle or puts the mass elsewhere it already violates conservation of mass, and therefore energy. So there's no reason to presume any other conservation laws hold.

>>96362067 (OP)
Well, it doesn't. What now?

Is OP retarded for not figuring out fantasy isn't real?

>>96362300
>he thinks it has to come from the hands
Um, I’m usually the first one to point out how retarded magic coming from the hands is. Spontaneous combustion makes more sense than a fireball coming from the hand. It’s the same with lightning out of the sky.

The irony is that martials are actually a lot more unrealistic than wizards.

>>96362324
>That's conservation of momentum, not mass
It’s actually both. An elephant turning into a turtle is absolutely a case of ignoring the conservation of mass, which absolutely would send out massive amounts of energy.

>>96362382
Nope. If you're going to be a pedantic baby about one part of fantasy, you might as well be about the rest. Picking and choosing just makes you look pathetic. Which you are.

>>96362417
So you’re just being a pissy baby. Got it.

>>96362428
Yeah, I know you are, caster baby

>>96362435
I’m usually one of the first people to tell martials that casters are just squishy humans messing around with shit, tho? That they can die from a single dagger to the neck? Same way a martial gets done in by a melon sized rock to the head. I’m not your enemy.

>>96362476
I'm not your friend, buddy

>>96362499
I didn’t even call you friend, you big melon head.

Magic coming from the hands is cool, because a power that isn't natural doesn't have to behave according to the laws of nature.

>>96362499
I'm not your buddy, pal

>>96362166
Has to be a space in sight.

>>96362193
>le magic isn't le real!!!
You don't say?

>>96364848
It can't be real even in fiction, retard. Stop using a copout so you don't have to think critically.

>>96362067 (OP)
But it doesnt, so clearly that doesnt happen.

>>96366154
>magic can't be real in make-everything-up land

>>96362067 (OP)
> conservation of mass
It's conserved across the multiverse bro.
The energy from magic comes from the astral plane, or the force, or the essence, or whatever.
If there's an excess it goes to the lower plane or something.
Even a casual idiot worldbuilder can make up this stuff.

>>96362067 (OP)
???

do you mean conservation of momentum maybe?

mass isn't conserved unless you're including energy as well via e=mc^2

retard take, magic is not science and thus shouldn't be constrained by its laws.
/thread

>>96362067 (OP)
Does it look like we care about conservation of mass?

>>96366630
Magic SHOULD be constrained by laws, just not the laws of physics as we understand them. Rules make for better magic systems and better stories, because knowing what you can and can't do with magic is just fundamentally more interesting than everything just being wishy-washy bullshit that changes from moment to moment with no consistency.

>>96366798
opinions should not be presented as facts

>>96366798
Hi Brandon

>>96362067 (OP)
No it doesn't. The spell doesn't say that objects gain or lose velocity, so that doesn't happen. Spells do exactly what they say, and nothing else.

>>96362391
>absolutely
go back to twitter.

>>96366798
No.

>>96366820
>>96366989
>>96367050

I cast "Your opinion is that you agree with me, no takebacks or counterspells". Its permanent. Neener neener.

>>96366798
This is like making a big fuss about something you only assumed and was never directly stated, then being angry that your assumptions aren't being addressed

>>96367156
You activated my "You're a faggot" trap card

>>96362067 (OP)
If it doesn't break any law of physics it's not magic

>>96362067 (OP)
Just handwave it away and say the extra mass is going into Zero Space like in Animorphs.

>>96362350
Yes.

>>96366295
even the law of conservation of energy isn't true except in a closed system

>>96367762
so what, is your wizard pulling from beyond the cosmic horizon or something

>>96367762
>even the law of conservation of energy isn't true except in a closed system
And most fantasy settings arent closed systems, what with the weird energies of various elemental planes and the afterlife realms all connecting to the Universe/Material plane. This doesn't even touch on the outer outer realm of chaos that churns with power and potentiality. Really, fantasy settings are awash in things which very plainly make Earth physicists weep at how utterly futile their sciences are.

>>96368235
>so what, is your wizard pulling from beyond the cosmic horizon or something
Yes. Quite literally, yes. Many magic spells pull energy from elemental planes, the transitive planes, or otherwise pull on magical energy from somewhere, whether local or simply another plane of existence.

>>96368341
>And most fantasy settings arent closed systems, what with the weird energies of various elemental planes and the afterlife realms all connecting to the Universe/Material plane. This doesn't even touch on the outer outer realm of chaos that churns with power and potentiality. Really, fantasy settings are awash in things which very plainly make Earth physicists weep at how utterly futile their sciences are.
While you're absolutely correct, I just want to clarify that it's not actually true IRL either. Energy is created and destroyed at a quantum level every second of the universe's existence, across the entirety of space-time.

>>96368389
>Energy is created and destroyed at a quantum level every second of the universe's existence, across the entirety of space-time.
Yeah, I know. The quantum foam that makes up the fabric of reality, and is or was one of the likely candidates for how the universe got started, a simple virtual particle pair not quite annihilating properly resulting in an expansion of space-time and stuff. The new blackhole theory is interesting though.

>>96368341
that's not the cosmic horizon, if things are near enough to be pulled together then they are in causal contact with each other and can be considered a closed system when you examine them

>>96366295
Mass and momentum are directly related: momentum (p) is defined as the product of an object's mass (m) and its velocity (v), represented by the equation p = mv. This means that if an object's mass increases, its momentum increases proportionally, assuming its velocity remains constant. A larger mass results in a larger momentum for the same velocity, making it harder to change the object's motion.

>>96368389
>>96368441
Quantum Fluctuations and Their Energy – Of Particular SignificanceThe assertion that energy is created and destroyed at the quantum level is inaccurate; the principle of conservation of energy states that energy is neither created nor destroyed, only transformed. While quantum fluctuations can cause temporary particles to pop into existence from a vacuum, this is a manifestation of energy and does not violate the conservation law, as the total energy (including the energy for these temporary particles) within a closed system remains constant.

Physics is always play dough in fantasy gaems

>>96362067 (OP)
>purely because of conservation of mass.
That mass is equally and magically distributed to everywhere else magic is present, once reversed the mass returns to its natural location. Any excess energy is also distributed universally. Fuck your realism, op is quantum entangled with every shit he has taken so far in his life.

>>96362067 (OP)
Actually conservation of mass would mean the mass has to turn into energy, resulting in a multi-gigaton explosion. Retard.