Thread 96377802

Sky Dwarf Edition

>Previously, in the Mortal Realms
>>96367513

>Official AoS website:
https://www.ageofsigmar.com

>Downloads, Rules Errata and FAQs:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/

>Tools
warhammer-community.com/2017/09/26/make-your-own-free-city-the-easy-way-sep26gw-homepage-post-4/
https://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/

>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:
https://aosg.github.io/

>Booru:
https://ageofsigmart.booru.org/index.php

>Thread demand
post conversions

Who is the goku of Aos

Did this in about an hour. I didn't care at all about how it came out because it was meant to be purely a test model for future skeleton paint schemes. Didn't even bother to properly clean it when building and I really didn't even finish painting it because I was really only concerned with the bone and bronze.. I didn't learn a whole lot about a scheme I want, but I did learn some important things.
>Going into painting with the mindset of not caring about the outcome will make it come out like shit
>Painting a model you don't like or have any passion for will make you care less and make it worse
>Even going in with the express purpose of testing a scheme doesn't work well if you don't like the model you're painting
So with that now in my mind, how do you develop a paint scheme without "wasting" a model you actually like? I've experimented with models in the past, but at that point every one of them pretty much came out different and it only really worked because they were skinks. Obviously I could give the model an iso bath, but I'd hate to do that to something I put actual time and effort into even if it's not a paint scheme I want to follow through with.

Does anybody have a pdf of the current IDK rules?

>>96377851
>>Going into painting with the mindset of not caring about the outcome will make it come out like shit
>>Painting a model you don't like or have any passion for will make you care less and make it worse
>>Even going in with the express purpose of testing a scheme doesn't work well if you don't like the model you're painting
skill issue

>>96378074
Fucking might be. I can only get good results on a model with many hours. I don't consider myself a particularly good painter based solely on the fact that what takes me 15+ hours could be done in 1 or 2 by people I follow on Youtube.

>>96378117
i mean mental skill, that post radiates an aura of illness

>>96377851
I just go with my gut and go ham. It does mean sometimes I adjust my scheme but that's fine

Someone asked for Blades of Khorne

Where should I post all of these? I think it'd be easier to put these somewhere rather than posting them slowly on /aosg/

>>96378562
Weren't they all posted to an Imgur album when whoever created them made them all?

>>96377820
Goku as in very strong guy who gets progressively stronger through an increasingly difficult set of trials? Gotrek.

Goku, the fictionalized player you posted? AoS is a pretty sexless setting, but Sigvald is known for being very attractive and collecting concubines.

>>96378216
Anyways, have an idea for a scheme for my Horns of Hashut which I will use for my Chorfs when they release. Hoping it looks good.

Personally, I always like a bit of pop so have at least one brighter/bolder colour, then everything else follows from that

>>96378584
I don't remember posting them on Imgur. I'll go ahead and do that.

>>96378562
Please update CoS, your image no longer represents the army

>>96378622
I made these when Cities was basically just a bed of Fantasy units, but you make a good point that it's been so updated that I should revise it.

Anyway, here they all are.

>>96378670
https://imgur.com/gallery/age-of-sigmar-ortl7qx

So is it just assumed that if your city has sewers you now have a skaven problem?

>>96378676
I wish they were funnier, or cooler

>>96378977
It's either a Skaven problem or having designated shitting streets.

>>96378977
That's why they're out establishing new cities that are ratman free

>>96377802 (OP)
thanks doc

>>96378977
Worse yet: you have humans with skaven fursonas hoping Great Horned Rat-chan will notice them
she never will

>>96377851
I just wing it and figure I know what I'm doing to an extent. For shit like deathrattles I also came to terms with them being a chaff unit I'll be shuffling around 40 of so I'm not gonna spend super long other than making sure they match and look good in a pack

Also you never waste a model, if you really hate what you've got you can strip it really easily. I say give it some time to sit and pick it back up in a couple days and see if you still dislike it. That's how I've rolled with things at least.

>>96377802 (OP)
Soon

Any link that contains some 4th edition PDFs please?

>>96377820
Sigmar unironically

>>96378586
It’s the only setting that has half breeds with elves and dwarves in warhammer

>>96378128
>an aura of mental illness
You're in an AoS thread.

>>96379638
Close but no cigar. The correct answer was
>you're in a /tg/ thread

>>96377851
I love that oxidizing metal shield
How do?

Morning /aosg/
>Post conversions
Careful what you wish for

I really want a Spiderfang/Forest Goblin Warhammer Underworlds warband. They desperately need some love.

>>96380190
this will never not make me laugh

>>96380198
>soon

>>96380198
>>96380222
The Forest Goblins and Spiderfang have always been favourite part of the Greenskins in WFB/AoS despite how little attention they got so I'd 100% support them getting more love.

>>96380222
Not like this...

>>96380252
White, dark grey and red would likely look really good on Lumineth actually.

>>96380273
Doesn't it on everything?

Seeing the new Helsmiths just makes me hope we someday get an updated Dispossessed range. More classic WFB dwarfs updated to this standard could be fucking awesome.

>>96380341
GW are squatting Fyreslayers because there Dwarf armies is too many. We aren't getting shit, only Elves get 4+ armies

>>96379464
>convert realmgate to be nighthaunt themed
>throw a necromancer on it
what

>>96380343
>GW are squatting Fyreslayers
Nice headcanon you go there schizo.

>>96380341
I’d rather not them just be 1-1 of fantasy dwarves but it’d be neat if they were included in cities.

>>96380343
there's actually a lot of evidence in the helsmiths release directly pointing to the fact that they are NOT squatting fyreslayers

>>96380369
>>96380343
If anything it seems that Helsmiths and Fyreslayers are going to be some sort of rivals.

>>96380341
>chorfs that look nothing like fucking chorfs
>wow I can't wait for the same to happen to [dwarf I like]

>>96380382
Yes, and?

>>96380382
>after fyreslayers, kharadron, lumineth, idoneth, sylvaneth, dawnbringers freeguild, etc he was expecting the new chorfs to look anything like the old ones

you have no one to blame but yourself. this is age of sigmar, not age of warhammer fantasy battles models looking like they did 20 years ago, it takes place several thousand years and multiple apocalypses after the world that was, of course everything is going to be different.

its honestly surprising they weren't more different

So, when will they release mortek archers for OBR?

>>96380394
Meh. If dwarves can either adapt to greywater or can adapt to root king roots (albeit preferably a dual kit where they can be regular city dwarves) and id be happy.

>>96380341
The leader is so sexy man, shame the rest of the range makes me fill nothing

>>96380416
based

>>96380423
It's the magnificent beard

>>96380394
Quite the opposite, he's fine with the new chorfs so he'd likely also like new dwarves, whereas you'd get another thing to whine and cry about. Everyone wins.

>>96379507
Unironically how would you go about bringing this back? Sigmarine is out of the question because there is no way in hell he's gonna call Sigmar his superior

>thread demand
Posted this a while back. He’s primed and zenithal’d but I’ve been doing other stuff. Unfortunately that’s the most converting I’ve done so far. I’m betting I’ll have a lot more whenever I start a Maggotkin army

>>96380369
Yes, just as the references to Swifthawk confirm their inevitable return

>>96380575
As GW? I wouldn't, not enough design space left for disciplined bone legions led by assorted sorcerer-priests next to OBR.
As a player? Old World minis, OBR rules.
And just purely fluff-wise I guess it'd be a rebelling death faction. Even with GW's general push for Nagash as the grand death overlord I'd say that'd be the least out of place, and as already noted we aren’t doing this from GW's perspective anyway.

>>96380575
>>96380607
If I HAD to I'd put him in an underworlds warband as the vermillion dynasty or whatever, a minor death lord that's escaped nagash and imply that it's settra's soul or some shit.
>>96380581
Great job anon, looks very ironjawzy

>>96380616
>minor death lord
I meant minor death god but you get the idea

>>96380560
The key difference being him having no prior interest in chorfs.

>>96380607
>next to OBR
why not UNDER obr
subjugated, enslaved, broken down, with subnarratives of potential rebellion when the promised king will return and free his people

>>96380630
That’s not Settra then.

>>96380628
Like three people had a prior interest in Chorfs so it's not ultimately that important.

City Aelves.....

>>96380628
But I did? I wanted to see them adapted to Aos and they didn’t fail. Wish there was more body horror but the bulls will have to do. Plenty of muscle too.

>>96380675
gay

literally no elf fan wants this

>>96380682
Alright you just have shit taste, not much left to say.

>>96380675
I don’t want elves cosplaying as humans outside of a gag character

So is there anything for us to put up tomorrow, or will it be a 40k week?

>>96380728
we just had two battletomes so I would not expect anything for the rest of the month

>>96380728
Probably a 40k week, I don't think Chorfs will drop until we have had the customary weekly rules shilling/preview articles.

>>96380401
5e starter

>>96380739
I don't think so either but maybe underworlds ?

>>96380735
>rest of the month
Also known as a week

>>96380903
Im either drunk or working. can barely look at the calendar these days.

OK he's done. Thanks to whichever dick head called him cum tree last thread. Motivated me to finish him this morning.

>>96380999
Lel looking good anon. How's the rest of the army looking, are you the guy posting about getting trees from stormbringer ?

>>96381016
Yeah I am. I've got everything built except the last normal treelord. And I have the spearhead primed. This was my test scheme guy. I needed something bigger to work on to see how it would look compared to a tree rev.

>>96380683
>>96380688
Play TOW then?

>>96381106
You're the one asking for landsknecht, retard.

>>96381124
>AoS is cosmopolitan with Aelves, Duardin, and Humans fighting together as survivors from Azyr
Lorelet

Blessed people of the chat, anybody got a link to 4th edition battletome pdfs? I missed the IDK one.

>>96381196
Where is that design language in this dude

>>96381205
You should read the book and find out

>>96381213
I am. I’m on chapter 2.

>>96381215
Then you know he is a Wanderer exploring the wilds rather than a City Aelf like in the Siege of Greenspire

>>96381196
greentexting an imaginary quote doesn't make it gospel, cosmopolitan doesn't mean everyone wears the same clothes, nor that they would be landsknecht, you triple retard

>>96381226
And? wanderers are still part of the cosmopolitan elf survivors that went to azyr, why doesn't he look like you wish elves looked.

>>96381280
Wanderers are different. They do not live in Cities as much as pass through it, they are recycled WHF models.
>>96381268
Why would a homogenous culture not emerge?

>>96380022
Really? It looks like ass. But ok. Balthasar gold, nuln oil, then nihilakh oxide. Then drybrush the gold over it again to buff it.

>>96380739
the week of shilling comes between the sunday announcement and the saturday preorder, not before

>>96381292
>Why would a homogenous culture not emerge?
Because they're different races with different histories and different cultures that simply happen to be neighbours out of necessity, and even then, most often they're not even neighbours, azyr is a huge realm, taking refuge in it doesn't mean sharing getting shoved in the same favelas.
They experience different things and the same things differently, they value different things and the same things differently.
We have never seen them under a homogeneous culture, nor they were ever described as such, and no elf fan wants elves cosplaying as humans.

>>96381292
>they are recycled WHF models.
that was the entirety of the cities of sigmar faction, before the course correction.

>>96381352
Yes, so new models should reflect WHF fluff rather than AoS'? Gotcha
>>96381347
Play TOW or LRL?

>>96381347
exactly this! I'm mad CoS has Asians, Blacks, etc but they're all just Human rather than having Cathay style units fighting alongside Zulu warriors

40kek got their black library special mini leaked (spoiler: another marine captain), last year they did one for both systems, so we could be seeing another bl character come to the game. Any ideas who ? I think it'll be picrel or the black vampire, they love vampire characters.

>>96381378
>entire character revolves around his use of a mask
>yeah, draw him without it maybe have it to the side
Worst shit

>>96381359
The aos fluff has not them being homogeneous cultures, at all.

>>96381393
Siege of Greenspire

>>96381378
There is another vampire character, but for wh+

>>96381400
Whatever you think that niche shit says, it doesn't overwrite the rest of the aos fluff which shows the races as different cultures sharing a location, not as the same culture.

>>96381378
Isn't the vampire basically just the standard Lord? Headswap would be very low effort
Then again
>40k gets the 100th repose of a primaris unit champion

>>96381404
>Another Soulblight Vampire
Undeath bros stay winning. I'll have 7 vampires then if he looks cool. Kinda weird they're going with another vampire considering that a year 3 mini.

>>96381422
Sculptos just made a tone of different ones and GW repurposes test sculpts

>>96381359
>Play TOW
>>96381124

convert old world empire troops with elf bits instead of expecting aos releases to conform to your retarded headcanon

cities won't even have any aelves or duardin in a few months

>>96381404
>>96381422
>vampire
might be a wight
>inb4 it's othar half king's sister

>>96380382
you people are so fucking retarded.

>>96381404
>>96381422
>cado
>cado again + friends
>karlina
>othar
>all the cursed city one-offs
Yeah some suit at gw definitely read anne rice books when younger and now has a vampire fetish

>>96381413
K what about half aelves?

>>96381347
The Ogor gets standard equipment like everyone else? Why would Aelves or Duardin be any different

>>96381492
Not a thing, the chances of elves and humans having a half-elf are practically nonexistent.

>>96381499
because ogres have a natural tendency to closely work for others, integrate into their societies and adopt their customs, elves aren't the same, even when they're allies.

>>96381528
That's not an answer, why would they equip Ogors the same as Humans but not Aelves and Duardin? Duardin are the ones making the equipment mostly ffs
Your only answer is muh WHF but AoS isn't WHF. There's no reason new Aelves would look like High Elves or LRL, they're born and raised in Cities and fight in their armies

>>96381347
Look bro, don't speak for me. 2e CoS was a unique experience/niche that no other wargame covered and going back to just aping fantasy is simply pathetic for both you and GW.

>>96381513
BL has always been contradictory but recent lit says yes and WHF always had them

>>96381499
why would elves and dwarfs wear the same crudely made mass produced garbage intended for newfangled troops sent to the slaughter, instead of something more finely crafted by proper artisans they trust and share an aesthetic sense with?

>>96381364
>Cathay style units fighting alongside Zulu warriors
humans are fundamentally different from Aelves

>>96381554
>Duardin are the ones making the equipment mostly ffs
no, they aren't

>>96381570
Duardin are the majority in Ironweld you secondary?

>>96381568
>but recent lit says yes
no, it didn't
>and WHF always had them
no, it didn't

the one instance of an half elf in fantasy is from an old novel and explicitly presented as an odd impossibility, not something that happens simply, let alone commonly

>>96381556
You can't speak even for yourself, 2nd ed cos was shit rulewise all the same, any romanticised unique experience was born from converters, so fucking kitbash what you want instead of begging GW to ape fantasy models but with knife ears.

>>96381614
>MUH RULES
So you have no argument.
Shut up and go play fantasy if you want CoS to just be Empire.

>>96381587
duardin aren't the majority anywhere and ironweld doesn't produce the common gear

>>96381439
I'd prefer a wight. Wights are way cooler than vampires. Bone supremacy.

>>96381623
GW made CoS fantasy IG. I'm sorry if that offends you.

>>96381623
You're the one who invoked rules or reading only the part about rules and YOU ARE THE ONE ASKING FOR LANDSKNECHT, YOU FUCKING RETARD

>>96381591
For
>Covens of Blood 2021

Against
>Prince Maesa 2018

>>96381469
I mean, Interview With a Vampire is a pretty damn good vampire movie. I'm actually a little surprised GW has never made a Lestat stand-in. He'd fit right in with the Midnight Aristocracy.

>>96381652
>>Covens of Blood 2021
That one doesn't have half elves

>>96381636
Don't project into me.
You still have no argument, retard.

>>96381469
I wish they had better tastes in vampire aesthetics though

Even porn addled retards manage to occasionally make or steal a good design like that Venetian musician

>>96381634
Not offended, just disappointed. Ah well, I only play 2e and 3e these days anyway.

>>96381660
making war engines is not making the basic troops' gears
being typically led by dwarfs doesn't mean having a majority of dwarfs at any level beyond the absolute top

>>96381656
Based retard

>>96381669
khajiit vampire sexo

>>96381664
Read the rest of the post if you want your argument and stop proposing landsknechts if you want me to stop calling you out for being the one who wants to ape whfb, you dishonest retard.

>>96381679
>>96381681
>it doesn't matter what the text says because I can pretend it says something different!

>>96381699
Yeah, that's what you're doing.

>>96381669
Pic unrelated I assume?

>>96381686
You're the one mentioning landsknechts, all I did was post a neat image. Something that even fantasy did pre-6th with dwarves, or even going back something another anon posted initially of an elf in the uniform. All you do is project and insult, no original thought nor knowledge of either setting.

>>96381656
Lying cunt
Stop posting

>>96381722
>You're the one mentioning landsknechts, all I did was post a neat image
of a landsknecht. NTA btw

>>96381722
>You're the one mentioning landsknechts, all I did was post a neat image
a landsknecht
>Something that even fantasy did pre-6th with dwarves
which means calling you out as the one who wants to ape whfb is correct
>or even going back something another anon posted initially of an elf in the uniform
a landsknecht, showing I'm not the one mentioning landsknechts

all I do is tell the truth
if you want your city elves and city dwarfs, and the "magic" early aos, convert them yourself, that's where the magic was always in, certainly not in asking gw to make empire models with knife ears.

Elves would not assimilate with Humans because in WHF and AoS they routinely have pogroms against them
Also all the city Aelves are dead now
Phoenicium destroyed, Eldritch Council and Swifthawk never existed, Delfs will join Malerion, Wanderers are rebranded as Kurnothi

>>96381669
They've focused a lot on only one dynasty, probably because they were all meant to be expansions for Cursed City that they just released as standard models. I'd like it if they did some more with the other bloodlines/dynasties. I'm not a fan of the bestial/Slavic vampire aesthetic personally, but they've done it well. I'm just sick of seeing it.

*racist dog whistle about aelves*

>>96381469
>cado again + friends
Cado, but worse looking. He looks so dumb in the new model. All of them look a little off IMO.

>even LRL are like wow, we should have a cultural exchange with Duardin
>aelves born in a melting pot of friendship, all refugees and all saved by one human god would never alter their outlook on other races

>>96381760
I like the recycled sekhar concept guy

>>96380398
ntg but I was at least expecting them to look like a chaos faction
actually I was fully expecting them to look like the horns of hashut

Anybody got the fluff bit from (I assume) the KO tome about the skyport being overrun by skaven and crashing? They mentioned it in some of the WarCom short story and I was like waaat.

>>96381652
>>Covens of Blood 2021
In there it was another rarity and sworn to absolute secrecy, certainly not something that can make half elves common in the realms, let alone common enough to get rules and models.

>>96381803
I'm just saying they exist in the fluff, retard

>>96381763
>>even LRL are like wow, we should have a cultural exchange with Duardin
Do you see lrl dressing as dwarfs anywhere?

>>96381794
I have seen the page spread posted here though I didn't save it

>>96381853
actual autist
can you put your helper on? I want to ask him to strangle you

>>96381763
the refugees that fled to azyr didn't suddenly all start worshipping sigmar, worshipping sigmar doesn't mean becoming landsknechts or wearing the same shit as some downtrodden human soldier, and azyr is a huge place, they didn't all live in one melting pot
canonically they didn't alter their outlooks nor their outfits

>>96381885
I don't understand why you hyperfixate like this. You're arguing against points no one brings up.

>>96381885
Fighting together confers solidarity

>>96381896
it's a racist thing, great white replacement and all that

>>96381885
are humans so lowly if their god saved the aelves? they'd all have the same faith in him, it's a proven faith. they all have the same objective and they all do live together despite the accusation that coexistence is impossible. I'm sure some Aelves would be fond of the showy landsknect fashion because they're not a monolith, least of all in a city where their status as Aelf and not-Human has always been irrelevant - from the day they were born for most

>96381901
>>/pol/

don't go to the aelf quarter of hammerhal, it's a cesspool of criminality. we can't even live alongside them let alone together, Sigmar save us
don't get me started on duardin

I miss when it seemed plausible enough the cavalier champion and wildercorps grunt were aelves

>There are gorkamorka cults made up of humans, duardin, and aelvs in cities and also the abandoned who exist outside of the cities
huh, interesting
>There is a small contingent of aelven smiths who are welcome to worship by Grungi
neat.

>>96381854
Thanks, guess gotta go through archives.

>>96381976
Order of the Furrow are human knights sworn to Alarielle like she's the lady of the lake, and getting blessed with wooden limbs to replace those lost

>>96381896
The points are brought up directly by the posts I answered.

>are humans so lowly if?
yes, an elf doesn't suddenly have a better opinion of a normal human or his aesthetic sense or his hygiene or the quality of his weapons and gear just because sigmar, a god, is benevolent towards all the people of order
>and they all do live together
they live in either different cities or different quarters, they're not neighbours of the same mud favelas
>some Aelves would be fond of the showy landsknect fashion because they're not a monolith
that's enough to justify a conversion, not a kit to represent all city elfs as human cosplayers, which goes against the idea they aren't monolithic
>their status as Aelf and not-Human has always been irrelevant
it's not irrelevant, they're different species and different cultures, that never changed, they're just allies and securing the same city states in the realms

>>96381991
>yes, an elf doesn't suddenly have a better opinion of a normal human or his aesthetic sense or his hygiene or the quality of his weapons and gear just because sigmar, a god, is benevolent towards all the people of order
anon, most Aelves were born in Azyr or Cities. They are few survivors from before. Why would they have prejudice from WHF?

>>96381973
It never seemed plausible, it was only ever something spouted by blind and delusional retards.

>>96381989
>From Spear and Shadows and The Tainted Axe
Huh, interesting.
Thanks for bringing them up, anon.
Always neat to find out about this random obscure stuff.

>>96381976
God I wish we had models of these guys, big fan of Digganobz, and elf-smiths would be neat too, wonder if they would know of Vaul

>>96382009
yeah, ignoring every piece of CoS lit before it released that indicated otherwise

>>96382002
elves are genetically predisposed to hating humans they wouldn't even be thankful for the unwashed monkey sigmar saving them

>>96382019
All pieces of cos fluff before still displayed elves as having their distinct cultures, not as human cosplayers using their inferior gear.

meanwhile in WHF

>>96382042
read any of it but I guess you'd just lie about it like you did covens of blood, which you haven't read

>>96382018
What's up with the elf gods anyway, I thought they all died, but then morai-heg is around for dok?
Either way if idk know about mathlann the azyrite elfs might know about vaul. Are eidolons a thing only idoneth can do?

>>96382057
Morathi probably accidentally released some from Slaanesh, but they're probably all limited essences anyway.

>>96382047
reminder the people shitting on chorfs are paying 10$ a piece plus tip for these.

>>96382057
The elf gods all specialize in dying and coming back later.

>>96380202
At least he acknowledged he didn't like it in the end, too.
If I remember correctly.

>>96382057
gods don't really die in a conventional sense, they can be brought back up by direct worship and indirect servitude

having an active cult of khaine is slowly sending energy to khaine, enough to eventually bring him back if it wasn't for morathi literally keeping his heart to herself and stealing the energy for herself
similarly attached to the cult of khaine are a number of other divine cults, for the most part they're not enough to revitalise their deities, especially since morathi has been outlawing their worship more and more as she gained power and prevalence, but morai heg managed to get a way out

>>96381382
It's even worse, they put him in his newly blessed and ascended form on the fucking cover, ruining the reveal. You spend the whole book wondering why he looks like that on the cover,

>>96382135
It's weird because idoneth seem to like mathlann yet he stays dead, only echoes of him made up of dead idoneth souls can materialize into eidolons. There's also the fyreslayers having to specifically collect the essence of grimnir to revive him. I think godhood in aos is a bit of a vague concept but I'm also not that knowledgeable on the subject so i might be wrong.

>>96382018
We don't even need models, not that they'd get made, either. Let's be real a micro-subfaction of a non-posterboy faction wouldn't get models. Just art would do. Would definitely inspire people to convert their own.

>>96382165
I dunno, I see potential in a warcry/underworlds warband or two

picked up a couple boxes of those vongrim salvagers for KO. whoever designs the KO kits must really love that army, they always come with a ton of bits.

this one has like 18 different heads for a 5 man build

>>96382161
Do they do it to revive him anymore? I got the impression that Fyreslayers get high off of using Ur-Gold and become dependent on it overtime in order to even function, despite it being an important component in boosting their strength and durability to the point of not even needing actual armor.

>>96382161
idoneth are not that numerous*, and while their society pays a lot of homage and respect to mathlann, it's not an extreme and hyperfocused cult like the khainites, with extensive sacrifices, they stick to themselves and their souls are kept in the coral-infinity circuits instead of following the normal path of souls on death, a lot of gods get empowered by the thoughts of the dead too

but I think the plot point of one idoneth novel WAS that mathlann is somehow starting to remanifest, but I doubt gw is following that narrative, they have the eidolons already and the new incarnate kinda required the destruction of the repositories of dead idoneth souls

*the numerous idoneth are the half soulled ones who likely can't really contribute much to the metaphysical dynamics that empower gods

>>96382161
There's a bit of a difference between what would be considered true gods like Khaine, Mathlann, Morr, etc. and the Ancestor Gods. The Ancestors were at one point mortal Dwarfs that were exceptionally powerful and venerated via ancestor worship than sort of ascended to godhood. I'm unclear on whether they became truly divine like Sigmar did, but they can probably be killed more easily than human and elf gods.

>>96382190
You're confusing the Grimwrath overdose for general addiction themes

>>96382047
That’s specifically what I wish for them to avoid

>>96382200
Well I don't follow Fyreslayers much at all, so not like I'd know much either way.

Anyone else find the Barrow Knights to be boring? They don't strike me anywhere near as much as any of the other skeleton models do. They just seem so static. They almost look out of place compared to the Wight King on horse. I wasn't really a huge fan of the old Black Knights either, but even they have more life in their poses. Aesthetically they look better, but it doesn't seem like a huge upgrade to me. The Blood Knights are great though. Big upgrade over the old resin ones. I'd 100% choose them over the Barrow Knights purely on looks.

>>96382200
Got more lore about the Great Horned Rat from this month's WD.
The Great Horned Rat has an antiethical entity similar to the other Chaos Gods. His nemesis is Hashut, since the opposing force to ruin and corruption is black hearted tyranny.
This implies that Hashut is next to become a major power in the Chaos Pantheon.

Hashut's Duardin followers call him the First King. Apparently, the Ancestor Gods tried to hide his existence from their people. They say that Hashut stole fire from the Chaos Gods.

>>96381378
A sample of what I imagine would be cool:
>Zograt & Skrog
>Heldanarr Fall
>Hamilcar Bear-Eater
>Arkas Warbeast
>Volundr of Hesphut
>Lady Cankerwall
>Vanik Stormstrike
>Shevanya Arclis
>Roggen
>Prince Maesa & Shattercap
>Pharus Thaum
>King Lurien
>Zuvass
And probably more that don't jump to mind.

What I imagine we'd get:
>a second Drekki Flynn complete with crew

>>96382247
Yeah, I am with you.
Not a bad kit, but I do like the old skelle knights more.

>>96382247
Hexwraiths are still for sale

>>96382121
No I'm not???

>>96382161
Gods are warp entities, great storms in the general turbulence of the immaterium that manage to keep some manner of coherency and identity. If they suffer enough damage or starvation they can start to dissolve, loosing awareness and consciousness, or break apart. But while Khaine, Mathlann and Grugni are in a really bad shape nowadays they're not completely gone, so they can still be fed (potentially restoring them in the future) and tapped into.

>>96382199
>I'm unclear on whether they became truly divine
they absolutely did

>>96382267
grugni isn't dead, man, he's fine

>>96382272
Grungni is stuck in the cuck chair, death would be preferable

>>96382199
>The Ancestors were at one point mortal Dwarfs that were exceptionally powerful and venerated via ancestor worship than sort of ascended to godhood.
Nagash, Sigmar, Tyrion, Teclis, Morathi, Malekith, Alarielle. All mortals originally.
Now whether or not the ancestor god's spirits remain in the warp is another question, but if there's some trace left it could be worshipped into a full god, and if not the worship could create a new god that people simply believe is the old ancestor.

>>96382278
Anon, he gets to do what he loves surrounded by good friend and various worshippers.

>>96382247
Those horses do seem rather lethargic.

>>96382247
>but even they have more life
say that again

>>96382287
He's Sigmar's Slave and his people died, his brother died, while him and the six fluffers watched

>>96382300
The only thing keeping Grungi indebted to Sigmar is Grungi himself. He can leave at any time.

>>96382300
>He's Sigmar's Slave
Are you so out of touch you cannot understand friendship?

>>96382318
I'm obviously exaggerating but no, he's held to an oath as amicable as they are (he doesn't even blame him for Grimnir), it's an alien part of the Dwarf psychi like grudges.
He's helped his people in his own way but I doubt Grungni would commit himself to the flawed act of reforging and all the horrors it entails of his own free will?

>>96382344
Of course he would, he's not condemning his own people, he's helping sigmar carry out his plan, sigmar would have probably done it without grugni, just with much more suffering for himself and the stormcasts since it would all be even more flawed.

>>96382440
Yeah, Dwarfs are just humans but short and stocky. I've played total war I'd know

>>96380345
Those little ghosts are all over death stuff, I just wanted the portal goo to match the little portal under my Nagash

>>96380401
probably not ever

waiting for some cunt to say death shouldn't have shooting because healing would make them too good, then stare at the numerous times that armies like Cities, DoK & Stormcast have had both better recursion and shooting than bonemen for some reason.

Hmm that's tempting. You can play a Spiderfang/Forest Goblin army in AoS 1st edition that seems really rather fun.

1 Grot Big Boss on Gigantic Spider
2 units of 15 Grot Spider Riders
2 Arachnarok Spiders
1 unit of Fellwater Troggoths
1 unit of 5 Cave Squigs (I would proxy these with riderless "wild" spider models)

>>96381750
I'm glad I wound up liking Vrykos as much as I do. Only Vrykos I don't care as much for is Annika the Blade but everyone else is fucking great.

Obr should have females with boners

>>96382197
I would prefer Mathlann to stay fully dead imo. It adds more to their identity if they're truly alone, even their protector deity is dead and his avatar's a hollow shell.
>>96382247
I like the skellies but the horses definitely look more like their trotting to the battlefield rather than charging on it.
>>96382267
Is the gods are emotions thing ever explicitely mentioned in aos somewhere? I assume it's just the same as in fantasy but you never know.

>>96382529
OBR can barely heal, FEC and SBGL are leaps and bounds above whatever OBR can muster

>>96380728
Doubt it

Helsmith box will likely be in stores by mid-late september.

Army looks like it wants to deathstar up, there's some token tracking involved with its main mechanic, it ramps up in power with the more terrain pieces you control.

It's still a 4e type book, 4 formations, 3 artifacts/traits, on a 3+, poop d3 mortals, etc. There are some meh warscrolls (with things like altering OC) but more than enough there to make a few different lists. Feels like some level of power creep going on but hard to say without points.

There were no terrain/manifestation scrolls.

>>96382448
The fuck are you on about, you retard?

>>96382546
>Is the gods are emotions thing ever explicitely mentioned in aos somewhere? I assume it's just the same as in fantasy but you never know.
It's the same in fantasy and 40k, and to the best of my knowledge it's never been stated or implied that it's any different for AoS.

>>96382577
>There were no terrain/manifestation scrolls.
3 more years then

>>96382547
Yes which makes it even more strange. This entire edition is a trainwreck in flavor or army identity. Giving everyone rally and just about every army a way to return units or models, when most of them don't have that inane ass "can't return a model unless that unit has no wounds on it" rule slapped on them.

A bit more cleanup and then painting up the hurricanum and the shyish wizard tower is done! Then hopefully on Monday can get little purple loghts installed in the interior.

>>96382613
I think they can turn it around, 40k managed to turn around after the shit show of their 10th launch. AoS got hit with more delays but I think they can put some good shit out there. (Woe unto any early release faction books though)

>>96382586
Some other fluff mentioned other bigger entities chaos entities, to which the big four are "still children who play with their food", so I figured maybe there's other stuff going on with chaos

I feel like obr shouldn’t have recursion at all. Instead, they use whatever remains of slain allies and maybe a portion of enemies to summon new stuff on the field. If you have enough wizards, the amount of resources you need drops to x amount.

Did they ever explain what the deal is with the crustacean imagery in Slaaneshi units?

>>96382699
They do, that's the Gothizzar harvester, the issue being it's worthless.

>>96382759
Why does it need to be explained
They don't explain Khorne's thing with hounds and bulls or Tzeentch's with birds

>>96382784
>Khorne
Warhounds, raging bulls
>Tzeentch
Birds are symbols of wisdom
>Nurgle
Toads and warts and other diseases
>Slaanesh
Crabs. Like the std. That's the joke

>>96382759
>>96382792
The actual answer is that the original original Keeper of Secrets model was based off of the Glabrezu from DnD and they just kept going with the pincer motif for Slaanesh stuff

>>96382759
slaanesh was born when gw decided to sell off-brand d&d miniatures, specifically the keeper of secrets was a ripoff of the glabrezu, the glabrezu had claws so the keeper also had claws, and so had claws its lesser demons
similar deal with the lord of change and the vrok, but for the lesser demons they made funny little things because people liked sculpting funny little squiggly faces

in setting it's not rationalised

>>96382537
I really hope the next Soulblight release adds something from the other dynasties. New vampire sculpts that aren't either beastly or have dumb bat hair, different skeleton sculpts to bring some diversity to their look, etc.
>>96382546
The skeletons really don't look much different. Overall GW really seemed to just add more armor onto them and the horses and kept the general look largely the same. If they were painted the same I doubt most people would notice the difference.
I think what really gets me the most is the lead with his sword in the air. It screams "old sculpt" to me and I just don't like it.

>>96382811
>glabrezu
He looks like a frightened chihuahua

>>96382845
>I really hope the next Soulblight release adds something from the other dynasties. New vampire sculpts that aren't either beastly or have dumb bat hair, different skeleton sculpts to bring some diversity to their look, etc.
Don't hold your breath. You could get busy converting though. Head-swaps tend to be pretty basic affairs for one.

>>96382536
Just a heads up the spider riders are pretty rough in terms of mouldlines and flashing. Like really bad

>>96382859
he looked differently then

>>96382897
I've worked with some of the oldest MESBG models. I can handle rough sculpts lol

>>96381794
here. it's assumed to be skaven shenanigans. low quality but readable.

>>96383070
You don't need to assume anything, it's flat out stated that the Grymmpeaks mountain range exploded as a result of the skaven poisoning the ley lines, and the explosion is what downed the city.

>>96382995
Wasn't questioning your skill just didn't want you to be disappointed when you got them and they were a little more work than usual.

>>96383115
Well it doesn't say it in that bit, which is what the guy wanted. I've not read the rest of it so anything else is news to me, I just remembered that bit and wanted to be nice and friendly and not negative and help people in this thread.

Why does sigmar feel an obligation to unfuck the realms?

>>96383152
does he really need a reason besides wanting to bash chaos' fucking head in (vicariously)

>>96383152
He's just like that. He's just an okay guy.

>>96382650
Does Shyish have primarily amethyst wizards or would there be a decent mix of everyone.

>>96382699
>>96382764
They won't do summons across the entire game as a design stance this edition, and for whatever reason they won't put the healing as a faction trait ever while other death factions get it. The newest subfaction that's complete ass is the closest they've gotten to it.

The harvester sucks and will always suck because of the type of model it is (mid size support monster that wants to get into combat) and gw vastly overcosts healing when it comes to points, it's rare that the healing is so much better than just taking another unit. Even when the harvester was good in 2e it was sniped constantly.

Being that the current design team has half a brain and keep upping damage in the game, they should just drop the healing entirely, as well as ethereal for morteks because they way overvalue that shit and try again with their scrolls.

>>96383152
With great power, comes great responsibility.

>>96383152
Because like last time, if he just holds up in Azyr, eventually Chaos will break in and fuck it. He can't be on the defensive forever. He learned than from The Worlde where Empire went on the defensive and it was just a stalling game. So, unfuck the realms and yeet Chaos and put the other factions in line and you can then have at least conversations until DoK, Malerion, LRL, Seraphon all decide to kill you because of reasons.

>>96383152
The Stormcast actually seem to be of different opinions on that. Some are like Vandus Hammerhand was at the start, believing that the purpose of their war is to save the realms from Chaos. Others believe that the purpose of their war is retribution, as Vandus came to believe later on. Some are like Gardus Steelsoul and believe that no one is truly beyond redemption and therefore everyone is worth fighting for. And others might be like Yndrasta who believes Sigmar is essentially a pitiless destroyer with no mercy or forgiveness to offer.

>>96383189
The Seraphon are clearly the best chance of telling Chaos to go fuck itself. Kroak just needs to decide to stop being mostly dead again.

>>96383168
>Being that the current design team has half a brain and keep upping damage in the game
my armies damage just got cut in half.

>>96383293
Their shoddy work building/maintaining the polar stargates in the world that was is the reason everyone's in this mess to begin with...

>>96383152
because he's a man

>>96383319
Old Ones, not the Lizardmen. As per TOW, GW retconned the whole event. Instead of 'Elves do everything' it was
>Grimnir goes to close the gates
>Elves remove the magical storms raking the world
>Lizardmen banish the daemon armies

>>96383319
>implying the old ones didn't set up the polar gates to fail, leading to the end times and the creation of the mortal realms, located within bubbles of the realm of chaos, and therefore being able to strike at the heart of the Great Enemy more effectively
Ishygddt warmbloods

>>96383368
So it was everyone's fault the old world blew up

>>96383394
no

>>96383394
Nah this was the initial chaos issues, the end times stuff was way later.

>>96383319
Anon, warp fuel doesn't melt obsinite beams...

>>96383368
I'm waiting for GW to grow the balls to retcon the entirety of the End Times and just have the end of the world happen at some nebulous time in the future. Nothing about AOS actually requires anyone who's in any danger of dying from old age to survive so it could happen centuries after the reign of Franz. It just needs Archaos to be the one to end it all and for the gods and mortarchs to still be around to make it into AOS.
Then both settings can essentially exist independently of each other. Hell, Storm of Chaos can be canon again at that point.

>>96383436
None of that was End Times stuff.

>>96383436
I doubt they'll do it, I think in general having all this end times shit exist in canon and be cemented into history as one of GW's big fuckups means they can't really retcon it.

Maybe at some point in the past I would have wanted that too, but after having hopped into AOS I'm enjoying things quite a bit. It's not perfect, GW could still stand to actually give it some love and care but for what exists now I'm fine with this being the successor to fantasy.

>>96383436
So if I'm understanding things right in this proposition the end of the world still happens, it just doesn't happen in 25xx-whatever the fuck the end times as we know it are?
That's interesting I guess, usually people suggest split time lines. Some stuff still needs to happen in a kind of specific way though, morathi and the elves getting consumed by slaanesh, tyrion and teclis and the other would-be-gods in aos beginning their ascension, shit like that.
I do think that if tow continues to truck on and they reach the conclusion of the current narrative (great war of chaos) they might address the end times question. I think they'll go the alternate timelines route if it ever comes to that though.

>>96383436
>Nothing about AOS actually requires anyone who's in any danger of dying from old age to survive so it could happen centuries after the reign of Franz.
When you think about it, most of the setup for the mortal realms could actually be reconnected back to a different time
>the creation of the realms happens in a parallel dimension between the real world and the chaos realm with the magical explosion of the great catastrophe instead of the one in the end times, and various races accidentally reach there and start as primitives
>sigmar reaches the mortal realms when he leaves the empire after his reign, he helps humans there and eventually starts making storm warriors to fight chaos
>the dwarfen ancestor gods reach the realms at some point during or after the cataclysm
>alarielle is actually just ariel and kurnoth is orion, and they walk back and forth from athel loren and the realms
>malerion is the near-literal shadow of malekith that detaches and is born in ulgu when malekith is burned in the flames of asuryan since he gets rejected/fails to burn himself completely
>morathi finds the realms via her demonic deals, snake-morathi splits from her as a result of making deals with slaanesh once (gave up a piece of herself, and then that piece escaped from slaanesh's gullet)
>the proto-fyreslayers arrive to the realms when dwarfs who followed grimnir in his quest to close the gate enter that gate together with him to seal it from there
>the kharadrons formed at the same time as the chaos dwarfs, roughly in the same location, but instead of digging deep and finding chaos, they found the realms and took flight with the resource there
>the idoneth were born during the sundering when much of ulthuan sunk, mathlann saved them, in exchange of a price that still weighs on them
>lumies were colonists that went east and then found the realms and remained there instead of going home with the sundering
>nagash found the realms when he last brooded in nagashizzar

>>96382247
Its the lack of Nazghul cloaks

>>96383490
When you look at the events of the End Times, very little of it actually has to happen as it does in that god awful storyline. Technically none of the events actually have to happen as described in the series. The only real necessities for AOS to then spring from the end of the world are the survival of relevant characters, literally all of whom are immortal one way or another. Most of them are elves, then there's Kroak (already dead until he wants to be alive again), Sigmar (man ascended to godhood), Nagash (unkillable lich), and Archaon (Everchosen and won't die unless the Four will it). Literally none of the events matter as long as these characters are around when the end happens and Archaon is the one responsible. It could all happen in 1000 years and AOS would spring forth exactly as it is now.
>>96383531
Exactly. The only thing the creation of the Mortal Realms requires is the destruction of the World that Was and the survival of a few characters, none of whom will ever die of old age.

>>96383436
AoS would be better if it wasnt connected to WHF at all. In a perfect world for AoS, GW has a schism, separating into one company that does 40k and Old World, and the other that inherits AoS, changes some names around, and keeps it separate from the rest of Warhammer

>>96383593
continuing

once you keep the realms and old world conveniently distant and difficult to cross over, both settings can perfectly exist in parallel and even enhance one another since you can have parallel wars against chaos or some other force that ends up helping the other side

the only problem, you'll notice, is that I haven't mentioned tyrion and teclis, and frankly I find it hard to make them fit as seamlessly as the rest does without invoking big asspulls

>>96383610
I mean how much are we retconning of the end times, like just the whole thing? I really don't know what you'd do with Fantasy then since other than Storm of Chaos or End Times it's all just business as usual. The plot didn't really "advance" too much which is fine but still at that point you're basically just getting fantasy back to status quo and it still exists.

I like fantasy and all but I don't know what we'd feasibly gain by just having it continue where it left off. If it continued like halfway through the end times and just had a bunch of shit broken and characters dead it would effectively be a whole new thing and people wouldn't be happy with that either. I guess nerds will never be happy no matter what GW does but I'm just stumped as to what way would be the best to go about a hypothetical refresh of Fantasy.

>>96383637
Most WHF characters that ascended to gothood, could just be reincarnations of their souls however old really, just say that whenever Teclis died in fantasy, his souls was just built different so it reassambled itself after the world blew up

>>96383436
As much as I'd like that crap to end up in the rubbish bin I really don't see GW touching it. There's just no point, The Old World can putter around where it is, AoS won't look back that far, and so simply ignoring it is by far the most natural approach.

>>96383657
you don't understand my premise
I'm suggesting a few retcons that allow the mortal realms to exist together at the same time with the old world, without the necessity of them being a result of the end times, but rather a result of the fall of the catastrophe of the polar gates

>>96383676
>>96383625
In this case my proposal is better, we just need somone to send a bomb to GW HQ

>>96383676
How does blood bowl fit into this whole arangement

>>96383694
it's certainly easier to retcon the end times without retconning the eventual death of the world, but I wouldn't say it's better

>>96383705
Its an Alternate world where Old Ones were fat retards obsessed with american football, and with a dedicated chaos god of it

>>96383717
You think AOS getting it's own blood bowl teams would be neat? Like Stormcast, Kurnoth, DoK snake ladies, Kruleboyz would be kinda neat.

Kruleboyz being an entire team based on just fucking fouling opponents or having knives would be hilarious.

>>96383728
I would like to see a KO blood bowl team, just the dwarve team, but instead of salyers and blitzers they got a bunch of hidden weapons like harpoon launchers, mustache guns, ball launchers, and a derigable suit ball carrier that has Leap

>>96383625
Realistically it isn't? Nagash doesn't remember the old world, Teclis didn't remake Helfs he made something else, Malerion is an ally to Tyrion and Teclis, etc.
The references to WHF are mostly superficial because of carry over kits but those will eventually be purged.

>retcon talk
I don’t really like any of the suggestions.

>>96383743
A dwarf team with all leap would be fucking hilarious.

>>96383705
same as it already does, the blood bowl world is a parallel world that happens to be almost completely identical to the warhammer world in everything EXCEPT that at some point after the great war against chaos the sport was rediscovered and took over the planet, supplanting other forms of conflicts

if you want we can put it in the same solar system, there already is a planet that's very conveniently similar to the warhammer world there

>>96383748
I'm just not sure what retconning would really do, like we'd get maybe a few more books where they milk popular characters but other than that everything would just effectively be the same which is already basically the case with the old world. (minus say, a few characters just not existing)

>>96383751
especially if they still have the dwarf agility scores

>>96383436
TOW is a new alternate setting. Cathay didn't exist as they do, steam tanks weren't so numerous, etc
TOW is not just WHF in the past

>>96383728
I don't think the blood bowl community would be particularly opposed to that, as long as the teams don't try to reinvent the rules or break the game

>>96383751
Unrelated, but i have always fealt that Underworlds should have been a Blood Bowl thing. You different boards for different pitches, player cards, and the Underworlds "Mana" mechanic could literally just be named "fan factor" or something

>>96383774
bullshit

>>96383676
>I'm suggesting a few retcons that allow the mortal realms to exist together at the same time with the old world, without the necessity of them being a result of the end times, but rather a result of the fall of the catastrophe of the polar gates
Malekith, Nagash, Sigmar, Ariel/Alarielle Eltharion, Tyrion, Teclis, Archaon, assorted rats, and probably a few more that I'm missing at the moment were all born in the old world long after the polar gateways collapsed. Probably Morathi too. So you'd have to completely re-write all their AoS backstories if the worlds are to have split during the collapse.
On the other hand, this re-write of the history achieves... nothing whatsoever. Neither AoS nor WHFB/tOW has any need to co-exist in parallel with the other, and while the end times is an old scab GW isn't picking at it nor does either game give them any reason too.

>>96383777
The issue is that its not what Blood Bowl is about.
While it is definetly connected to Warhammer, with Warhammer orks, and warhammer dwarfs, the entire point is that its pretty much universal fantasy factions everyone knows, but instead of being in a fantasy war they are playing football.
Even BB goblins are closer to Warcraft goblins than Warhammer.
The only exception are Skaven

>>96383649
Just make Storm of Chaos canon again and return to status quo of Franz's reign. Archaon goes back north to lick his wounds after getting rekt by Grimgor and everyone goes back to hating each other.

>>96383777
Just have the excuse be a realmgate opens to the blood bowl universe and factions pour in only to get really excited about this new form of conflict resolution. No one asks any questions, and we get new teams.

>>96383799
I can see some of the AOS factions fitting in nicely, they're a bit more out there at times but desu most of AOS is still a more standard fantasy trope.

>>96383717
by canon, the lizardmen are the only race that still plays blood bowl in the normal warhammer world, since they were the ones who invented the sport and played it first, while everyone else only discovered it in the 24th century, the discovery of blood bowl by dwarfs and orcs at that point being the only differentiating element between the two worlds.

>>96383787
Eh, he's basically right. TOW is WHF set in the base and full license to retcon anything and everything they want to make it work. In terms of IP, GW already considers it a separate license from WHF.

>>96383728
I think it'd be funny if there were lore blurbs and stuff about new world and old world teams interacting

>>96383806
GW doesnt want a "status quo"
40k since 8th edition, and AoS since its inception, exist as a living narrative games, with a "now" where all the campaigns and stuff happen, which wasnt the case before, GW clearly likes this model, and wants to run Old World the same way, and the easiest way to do so is set it in a less explored timeline

>>96383774
>Cathay didn't exist as they do
Nothing exists in any Warhammer setting as it does, until it does. GW retcons shit in constantly. Any new model added to any range, unless explicitly stated otherwise, is usually retconned as having always existed in the worlds. TOW is just Warhammer in the past.

>>96383788
>Malekith, Nagash, Sigmar, Ariel/Alarielle Eltharion, Tyrion, Teclis, Archaon, assorted rats, and probably a few more that I'm missing at the moment were all born in the old world long after the polar gateways collapsed
Yes, and they reached the realms or awoke in the realms relatively long after they formed, just like how here they would reach the realms after some time of their creation.
It achieves that aos as a setting doesn't require to be built on the grave of another setting, and for my personal games, it achieves the possibility of isolated crossovers where otherwise aos-only factions have minor appearances in the old world.

I'm not even saying it's what should absolutely happen, just that it's a surprisingly easy thing to disentangle aos from the death of the old world, consider it a thought experiment.

>>96383806
It's a hard sell because I don't know what we'd really gain that hadn't already be done in Fantasy as is. We get some extra stories that could be set anytime anyways, because the timeline on fantasy is pretty indistinct at the best of times. The most I can imagine we'd get is like, some new Gotrek and Felix since Felix didn't die anymore. (Which fucks up Realmslayer) And some of the more popular characters getting a new fancy model made up.

I don't particularly care for the end times, I think it was a stupid fucking idea. But I feel like just hopping back to WHF and pretending we didn't have a decade of a new thing and intensely detailed multimedia stuff about how the old world blew up feels a bit silly. I can see why people would want it back but I can't really see GW doing anything meaningful that they aren't already doing with "The Old World"

>>96383787
The Devs said it themselves? Oh it's just a myth steam tanks were rare, actually magnus didn't commission the war altar, yeah they totally had magic dragon gods fighting alongside the empire with hot air balloon artillery platforms and clay robots

>>96383842
Well then in that case things can just continue on in typical Warhammer fashion. Archaon is beaten back north to await another great Chaos invasion of the south, the various factions politic each other and themselves. New inventions are made to better prepare the Empire for the future, Lizards lizard, Tomb Kings march far and wide for a single gold coin a Dwarf stole, the various northern tribes make small raids south, the elves try to kill each other, etc.

>>96383821
double bullshit, retcons don't create alternate settings, the point of retcons is that they are official retroactive changes to the old settings.
the old world is a separate license for the same reason horus heresy is a separate license from 40k, because it entails a different period with its own characters.
aos is not an alternative universe from whfb because it's its own license either.
underworlds is its own license too, is that another universe too?

>>96383787
There's a TOW rpg running alongside a WHF one

>>96383888
>The Devs said it themselves?
Warhammer community said it, the rulebooks repeated that there are 12 tanks, as we already knew.

cathay had terracotta soldiers and an (at the time only allegedly) immortal dragon emperor as ruler already in 6th edition
it just so happens that the alleged claims here were correct.

>No, retcons, additions, a different tone and direction, branding, creative team, etc do not make it an alternate setting
bruh

>>96383910
There's also multiple concurrent 40k rpg, it doesn't mean they talk about alternative universes.

>>96383935
warcom had an interview with the creative leads stating it*

>>96383937
no, those things don't make it an alternate setting

age of sigmar too changed tone and direction, added things, retconned elements, and replaced its logo and creative teams, that doesn't mean there are multiple aos alternative settings

the very definition of the word retcon means that we're not talking about an alternative

>>96383981
Age of Sigmar != WHF != TOW

>>96383950
whoever stated it was wrong, check any material actually published for tow and there's nothing of the sort

>>96383981
People aren't saying it's literally a new universe anon, they are saying that it's effectively a rebranding/reboot. Because it is.

If Hasbro decides to dust off an old IP like GI Joe and hand it to all new creative team after a decade of absence to make a new cartoon, even if that team is super dedicated to the old version, minus tweaking and retconning things to fit their needs, obviously, it's still EFFECTIVELY a new thing, simply because the only real connection the old and new versions have is IP ownership. Especially when going forward all the new toys and supplemental material and marketing will be designed entirely around the new thing exclusively.

TLDR you're autistic

>>96383992
Learn to read, then read to write, you mongoloid.

>>96384026
>People aren't saying it's literally a new universe anon
The retard I'm talking to is saying just that

anyone got the pdf for the Gotrek AoS novels?
i got Gitslayer and Ghoulslayer

>>96384040
This is you just not understanding the difference between literally and effectively.

Literally speaking, WHF is it's own thing and TOW is just set in a different period, etc etc. Effectively though, it replaces WHF entirely going forward, not only as a setting but as an IP. WHF is a relic that will soon exist purely as a(n) (unlicensable) historical curiosity while all new things WHF will be TOW branded. TOW will be the new canon, the new everything.

>>96384080
>This is you just not understanding the difference between literally and effectively
No, you're either now just backpedaling while pretending to be someone else or refusing to read what the retard I was talking to literally wrote and effectively meant.

>>96384127
What exactly is your point of contention, anon? You seem to be agreeing with me that TOW is effectively a new setting, so is this just some hyperautistic fixation on word choices?

>>96384164
>What exactly is your point of contention, anon?
I'm merely telling the retard I'm talking to that he's wrong and showing him how.
>You seem to be agreeing with me that TOW is effectively a new setting
I'm not either, I don't consider the changes sufficient to make it different enough.
If you think any minute change is sufficient, that's on you, but then I'll call you retarded and mongoloid again.

>>96383748
>>96383764
It wouldn't do much for "us", but it would allowed gw to keep the narrative of tow going once they're finished with their great war against chaos thing they've got going on right now. But yeah it's pretty funny how little the end times matter for aos, if GW wanted to they could've had all relevant world-that-was material happen in the age of myth. In fact it's kind of weird that aos is a post-apocalyptic setting twice over really.

>>96384348
>But yeah it's pretty funny how little the end times matter for aos
I realized it once I actually looked at the events of the End Times and what happens in the beginning of AOS. It was just a way to destroy the world, not a single event comes into play in AOS outside of a couple of cheeky references. Balthus Aurum and Mannfred kind of recognize each other at one point.

>>96383774
There are no alternate settigns. GW just permanently overwriten wfb's lore with cheap China pandering

Thinking about one of these mierce miniature models to be a Nurgle daemon prince. The left one is obviously a good fit, but if I do the worm I can name the army ‘cult of the wyrm’, and also reasonably give it fly, albeit by burrowing
…I’ll paint them both anyway who am I kidding

So turns out I got a cheap lady of vines with my trade for a Drycha, she any good? She looks like great hobbying material but hypothetically in an "Oops like 5 treelords and Alarielle" list think she'd have any spot?

>>96382678
I would have thought we'd start seeing more adventurous changes with helsmith tome but it's pretty much stuck to the same pattern of 4e tomes so far. It does have more token tracking than usual but that's about it.

With the way the game is now, there's a lot of room for things like...

-Mortal wound specific wards/-1 damage/reroll saves/half damage style effects
-Capping effective rend at -1
-Changing generic command abilities to have more restrictions (only certain unit types, capping max charge/power through movement range, etc)
-Changing combat ranges to be based on base to base, maybe exclusively for infantry
-Only the pile in target and units that started in combat with a unit are targetable by their attacks

>>96383307
NH got fucked because their rules writer is incompetent. There's no grand scheme to reduce damage, can see it in action with the sog updates having power creep in many cases and more and more ward busting showing up with new tomes.

>>96384548
Yeah the only thing of real importance for aos canon is the stuff with the elves I think. Come to think of it, is the whole incarnate of winds of magic thing the reason certain characters got reincarnated as gods in aos?
>balthus aurum
Come on now gw, honda suzuki tier reference
>>96384564
Aren't those a little big?

>>96384596
It’s fiiiiiiiiine. If they can’t fit on the right base I’ll just have them as fun little extras, like my squig/rogue idol

Anybody got links to 4th edition tomes?

>>96384588
you keep crying about sog but there's a 2 models from it out of 24 armies that are "too good" and both them were added to help trash factions and will inevitably get nerfed in the next update. Show me the sog power creep on the corpse cart or fucking slaangor.

How do we fix AoS?

>>96384745
coach, pontifex/cos, rottigus, eltharion, fec, ko, dok got straight upgrades to the units and it's pretty much all increased damage

the argument isn't about one faction being better than others or if they deserve it, it's that the game is only getting more lethal you dumb cunt.

>>96384811
We go back to the 1st Peakdition

>>96384811
Unironically make it just a little more complicated. It's had the fun "streamlined" out of it. Shitty stuff still needs to have the potential to have a "moment" even if it is shitty, because getting it to have that moment is fun even if there is a mathematically superior option.

>>96384907
Weird, i was convinced that greasus had one of the "mustache rules" which allowed you and the opponent to make a deal on literally anything, and get a bonus if they break it? Is it a mandildo effect or am i retarded and posted the wrong scroll?

>>96384940
I cant find the Kurt Helborg warscroll with THE Mustache rule.
Did GW silently whiped that off the internet?
What a shame

>>96384907
>>96384940
If I recall correctly most of the joke rules were on stuff that wasn't really part of aos proper, like greasus, kurt helborg, bret and tomb king stuff. I don't know if legends was a thing back then but I'm 90% sure most if those were on "not entirely setting appropriate" warscrolls, for lack of a better word.
Anyway do you have a link to the early 1e warscrolls? Would like to go through them.

>>96384995
Only managed to fiund the later PDFs, that only list the units that dont already have a replacement.
tcrepocom/downloads/aos-warscroll-compendiums/
Also found them on Telegram, but they are all in french

>>96385011
Pas de probleme mon ami

>>96384858
nighthaunt nerfed, ko damage nerfed, kruleboys nerfed, graveguard nerfed yeah man new battletomes are soo lethality creep wow.

>>96384914
More magic options. Stop removing rules for characters and units a few years after release.

>>96384811
Add more boobs and butts, that should solve the problem.

>>96384723
I only have these Bro, I hope they help you.

filescatboxmoe slash hsl68ipdf - sce 4e

filescatboxmoe slash y4dy4epdf -skaven 4e

filescatboxmoe slash rf1m6ipdf - SBGL 4e

>>96385042
Its the same stuff as in the link, PDF coffee also has all the Gran alliance books.

But i still cannot find where all the meme profiles were released? wasnt really around at the time

Do gryphons lay eggs

>>96385345
Now thats a real question. Generally in fantasy they do, but it really doesnt make any sense considering they dont have a cloaka

>>96385345
>>96385361
We may not know that, but we do know they have sheathes.

>>96385372
thats Dracoth's.
Cant wait to see GW ruin their design with thunderstrike variants

>>96385361
I guess the cloaca could be between their forelimbs. Truly deepest lore

>>96385384
so they have to hug to have sex, very wholesome and family friendly

So where on earth do dawnbringers get their eggs from. Surely chickens dont exist in the grim dark reality of the mortal realms?

>>96385434
If horses exist, why not chickens? With same realm related stuff like carnivorous horses of Ghur

>>96385434
Chickens exist, but so do about a dozen other egg-laying animals people keep as livestock or collect the eggs of. In hammerhal the “ghyrvole” seems to be one of the big sources of eggs
https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cuisine_of_the_Mortal_Realms

>>96385504
>ghyrvole
Man I know im not the only one who read this as glory hole.

>>96385533
Dyslexia is a terrible burden on the soul. It denies you getting to think about hammerhal Ghyran’s citizens eating big bugs and hamster eggs

>>96385345
haha I wonder what they smell like I want to smell them

>Spearhead magazine announced
>when the SBGL Spearhead hasn’t been released yet
I’m gonna go insane James let me buy into the red head step child of your war games

>>96386174
At what point do you just buy the models seperate, I've seen you like every thread anon. I feel like it'd be easier to find a cheap Deathrattle box and just buy the wight king seperate or kitbash it from the mounted guy bits.

>>96385447
>Wind/Realm of Beasts is named Ghur
>Grrrr
Sasuga GW. Very clever.

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