Thread 96383032

Exotic beasts edition

>Resources:
WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwh
WM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgeba
WFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6
Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H

>TOW:
https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXS
https://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/

>Warhammer Chronicles:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip
>Time of Legends:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip
>The End Times:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip

>Alternative Models:
https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL

>Previous Thread:
>>96358392

>Thread Question:
What's a controversial unit or equipment you wish your faction had?

>TQ
There should at least be one unit in the game that can tear somethings ass with its bare fucking hands that isnt a giant.

wow who could have predicted this?

OHWAIT

Was Perryanon right along? The Perry mounted are pretty cool

>>96383032 (OP)
I thought Cathay was all sunshine and rainbows.
But seriously I hope this actually gets majorly expanded upon. The Old World seems so sanitized

Does anyone have any ideas on how to keep down time in wfrp interesting?

>>96383032 (OP)
>Thread Q
We need marked Gors back. Tzaangors and Slaangors already have models, just give them rules and spin up a line for the other two.
It’s mildly “anti-fluff” since beastmen are typically shown to worship the dark gods as a single thing and have no greater ambition than to tear the world down but there are some instances of them getting individual gods blessings (Taurox) so I think it’s fine as long as they aren’t core units and have the “hatred for (insert god here)” rule that prevents you from using all four kinds

>>96383154
yes in the love of historical miniatures when appropriate and to the hobbyist's own taste and necessities
no in the hatred of fantasy miniatures even when appropriate, just because they're not to his taste

it's not difficult

>>96383167
the beastmen arcane journal alleviated some of the “sanitized” fears for me, there’s some good and nasty descriptions of people getting fucked up by magic and turned into beasts, a town getting sacked, stuff like that. ghorros is still implied to fuck a lot. as long as they keep putting out journals I’m not concerned

>>96383048
that’s a good point… everything uses a weapon. what options are there though other than a really big troll or ogre?
>>96383056
the balloons need to be costed higher, like a lot higher. that would be a start, idk if they need actual combat nerfs

>>96383154
Eh, I like units a bit more stylized and I think it can clash somewhat with the chunkier heroic scale. Either way they're solid minis for the price so if you like them you'd be stupid to not use them.

>>96383154
The miniatures are good but perryanon is just a /hwg/ troll. Mind you, I've played a few historical games on gorgeous boards, but he's just mean for the sake of being mean. I still remember when he posted a pic of his wife and child on here. He's a loon

>>96383315
Even Taurox seems less like worship by him and more being marked and more like Khorne looked at the kinda shit he was doing and said "here's a perk my special boy." If you take beastmen being the redheaded stepchildren of Chaos I'd keep anything resembling marks to almost character specific stuff like your dude did enough raping for Slaanesh to take note or killing for Khorne to take note, or rolled in enough shit for Nurgle to take note or was intelligent enough for Tzneetch to take note. If you treat them more like normal chaos worshipers just with hair and horns though yeah I'd say make gors for each god or just give select units marks (gors, bestigors, centigors, and minotaurs)

>>96383154

The miniatures are cool, but the slender proportions clash with more exaggerated gw figures.

>>96383154
They are neat. I think I'm going to use some in red as Blood knights.
>>96383331
>>96383495
I think he just has an intense little brother complex. When he doesn't get compliments on his round based units he had to act as bratty as possible.

>>96383452
>muh bigatures
>muh centerpieces

>>96383495
He is also shitting up /hwg/ with his edgy Z russians and tries the same thing in /awg/. Really weird person.

>>96383507
Probably not an issue if you're mixing with other historicals.
Maybe even a bonus if you want more contrast with stuff like orcs/ogres/chaos warriors.

>>96383536
Is that what he's doing lately? It's been a while since I've seen him shitpost here, and from what I heard he tried to do the same thing in aosg but it didn't really catch on. Was wondering what he was up to.

>>96383536
>edgy Z russians and tries the same thing in /awg/.
Is that him?
The reaction in awg was just:
>Neat
And everyone moved on. Lol

>>96383154
Eh most his stuff by being more realistically proportioned ends up looking stiff and angular from the distance.
We mock fantasy scales proportions but heroic scale looks good on a table top. There's a reason the Greeks sculpted real proportions only for a small time: reality is underwhelming.
That said there's many good historical models and bad GW ones the hate is when faggots try to shoehorn /his/ into a fantasy setting.

>>96383378
We should take 100pts off Orion and give them to the baloon and then take away the disengage ability because if your ass wants to get low enough to get grabbed by troops your going to get stuck down there

>>96383501
Taurox isn't marked by khorne or blessed by him or even technically noticed by him. Taurox is the way he is because a khornate demon tried to kill him in a duel so taurox defeated and consumed him.

>>96383591
that’s why he went crazy and started his rampage, yeah but then he died and was given a new brass body by Khorne. I don’t see any other way to think of that but a blessing

Are great weapons worth taking on foot knights?
I've made 10 with sword and board and wonder if I should make the half with great weapons.

>>96383154
I prefer victrix.
>victrix no longer ships to the usa

>>96383660
Even then it wasn't stated to be from khorne, but the chaos gods generally.

>>96383154
Liking historical minis and using them for empire prxies is one thing. Relentlessly shilling one specidic company is another

>>96383032 (OP)
>Thread Question:
>What's a controversial unit or equipment you wish your faction had?
Lothern Skycutter but for Dark Elves.
I would be a Corsairs chariot pulled by a flaoting sea monster.

Is there any chance that they might bring back the Chaos Siege Giant eventually?

>>96383725
It's not impossible but the Chaos War Mammoth would come first if it's a Chaos release. If it's not out by the time Chaos Dwarfs release then it's coming with them possibly.

>>96383175
Not really, i just make it brief and quick as possible.

>>96383677
who else would a gift like that be from? you don’t see the other three giving stuff out just for killing

>>96383591
>Taurox is the way he is because a khornate demon tried to kill him in a duel so taurox defeated and consumed him.
It's explicitly a reward, the daemon got ate before he said anything so whether it came to duel him or reward him is unknown but I would assume the former because it was just after he did a good slaughter and he still got a blessing.

>>96383782
I mean I would assume the latter, I assume the daemon would have said "Hey good job minotaur Khorne thinks you've got moxie."

>superior Cathayan brack powder rule

can't make this shit up

>>96383725
I think over the past 18ish months they've stated their intent quite clearly to milk every old/rare/nostalgic/meme unit or faction or army in the game, so yeah I reckon there's a good chance

>>96383154
He doesn't even use the right historical analogues of the Empire. Fuck that poser, if you agree with him you're just as retarded.

>Taurox is Khornate
Holy secondary!
There is absloutley no mention of Khorne in Taurox real lore (see pic) unlike fanmade and videogame.

>>96383507
not that much really if you are playing at scale.

>>96383154
i bought the perry stuff a few years back, they're okay but the sculpt quality is like definitely late 90s hand sculpted looking, with all the positives and negatives that implies, and the details were quite shallow, as well as the weapons being very thin and effeminate looking

overall i was lukewarm on them, and for my money victrix puts out better historical minis these days, although im not sure they cover the same time periods

>>96383807
It's a weird choice when you recall that historically, Chinese black powder was way worse than Western European powder

I am once again disappointed with Cathay’s execution.

>>96383986
you don't get it, the chinese have always been way ahead of pig westerners in every way

that's why they need to come and save the day, not that any dumb imperial even remembers to record their salvation after the fact.

>>96383986
they should lean into the fact that cathay is stagnant and not developing nearly as fast as the empire, instead relying on magic

>>96383167
It's pretty nuts you can take this along with full hit and wound rerolls on a hero.

>>96383896
I have no horse in this race, but come on. Rivers of blood? A body of brass? These are the symbols of Khorne.

>>96383725
not really, no
it's a slim chance for tow to bring back the forge world chaos dwarfs, siege giant included

>>96383896
are you stupid or trolling? the subtext of a river of blood appearing after he finishes his murder spree is beyond obvious. what other god of blood and murder do you know?

>>96384003
It's so odd because their TWW3 depiction was pretty good and made them intriguing, but GW decided to sand blast all of that away.
>>96384054
If Cathayan black powder was better because they mixed magic into it, I could buy that since that helps distinguish them as using magic more than technology.
But considering that you can literally point at the models and explain step buy step why the Empire and Dwarves war machines are more technologically advanced that the Cathayans, they can't really take the "we have a better manufacturing process" route with Cathay.

>>96383452
Gorgous army man

>>96384098
uhh... khaine? hashut? vashtorr?

>>96383452
how'd you already get a hold of miao? my FLGS owner said they wouldnt arrive for 2 weeks

>>96383452
I still think the sentinels and lantern are over twice the size they should have been

and that the dragon kit should have been a generic multipart kit with different builds for the different dragons, while the human form was a separate blister, so that they could easily produce 3 or 4 dragons without needing 3 or 4 huge kits

>>96384098
I think the river of blood is implied to have been created by his rampage

>>96384107
2 patron gods of their respective races and a non-entity without any real fluff
in the context of “which chaos god is blessing this beastman that’s really good at killing and shedding blood?” there’s only one answer

>>96383452
>Five sentinels and a dragon
This feels like it would be absolute aids to fight

>>96383536
>>96383560
>>96383560
I fail to see how posting my latest passion project in the relevant thread is "shitting up" /hwg/

I never shitpost in /hwg/ and the only time it is "shit up" is when cross posters from /wfg/ come in and flame me because they can't set aside their petty grievances and they're still seething about some joke I posted on /wfg/ 3 months ago or something

>be me
>/wfg/ doesn't want me around so I basically stop posting here
>post my hobby updates in /hwg/
>one or two seething /wfg/ anons keep coming to /hwg/ and having meltdown because they "found out" it's me because they recognized my fucking desk in my pictures
Grow up.

>>96383549
Never been to aosg in my life.

>>96384185
I wasn't being really serious.

>>96384198
Honestly nowhere near as frustrating as balloons.

The weirdest fucking thing about the g**nh*mm*r article complaining about the balloons is they sort of imply they were playtesters for Grand Cathay? But that they thought balloons were fine in the playtest environment because of the proliferation of blocks of 200 poisoned archers?

Like if you were a playtester why would you be like 'oh this is complete AIDS but thankfully it's countered by this other AIDS so we can call it balanced'???

>>96384275
That's how WAACbrain works
See if unit A is beat by unit B it's balanced even if it roflstomps units C through Z. Because they only think of games as a means to break and min max and can't understand that people may bring stuff that they like or enjoy the mechanics of.

>Miao Ying and Grand Cathay handily defeats the Norscan invaders on the sea, in the sky, and on land in order to save the fainthearted Marienburgers who are awestruck by Miao Ying's royal poise and tallness
Uhhhh, so that just happened.

>>96384275
surprise surprise, tourneyfags aren't game designers.

>>96384098
Yeah sure and the "s" at the end of:
"fell powers"
"the dark ones"
"the gods"
Is because Khorne is many in his head ?

>>96384054
No you see that could be taken as a reference to the stagnating Qing empire and the century of humiliation that followed. We couldn't possibly have such references in our sensitivity team approved grand cathay

>>96384317
She's here to claim a Harem of strapping Imperial men and women

>>96384227
you're mentally ill dude. it's generous to call what you're up to "passion project" when really the only reason you've been posting in /wfg/ is out of spite because you enjoy the attention and think warhammer fans are consoomers (which is true obviously, I'll give you that).
to complain about getting recognized is retarded. you're just reaping the rewards of dozens upon dozens of derailed discussions. perhaps you should have had second thoughts way before you started posting photos of yourself in the mirror or of your wife. you made your bed, now lie in it.

>>96383896
Not sure if trolling or retarded

>>96383896
I literally do not need to read further than "TAUROX, THE BRASS BULL" to know that this is a khornate beastman

>>96384317
Compared to Sigmar ditching the Empire to spend the rest of his life with Miao it's not that stupid.

>>96383536
he tried /wip/ too but nobody cared

>>96384317
>Be marienburger
>Be threatened
>Do nothing
>Win
>Overcharge the sudden influx of cathayans in need of food and rent
>Pretend to not understand their language/accent whenever they try expecting something
>Hire some gnomes to replace the cathayan reserves of fine gunpowder with black sand
>Sell said fine gunpowder to the dwarfs

Is 300€ a good price for a fully painted (High Standard) Wood Elf Batallion box?

>>96384518
I may add, thats just the paintjob.

>>96384476
you just made that up kek

>>96384518
I would pay less for a painted army since I didn't get to paint it myself.

>>96384641
No, you can take empire troops now.

>>96384641
The new arcane journal is a shadow fix for that
just use the profiles to represent cathay troops you can easily kitbash

>>96384675
>>96384671
>mercs are both obedient and harmonic
Shit she's taking them all back to Cathay ain't she.

>>96384675
Can empire characters join Cathayan units? Unity & Harmony is a nice buff to jade lancers if so. Ambushing sky lanterns is so fucking bullshit I'm not even going to acknowledge it.

>>96384688
it's mercs only on paper, in practice they're for you to proxy extra cathay units

>>96384693
They're still mercenaries, so no.

>>96384707
Is this implying crane gunners are gonna have 2 rank fire and extra range?
Collecting this army is gonna be absolute cancer.

>>96384726
the extra range might already be baked into their future profiles
crane gunners on lanterns have 36" of range, I doubt they would need extra range

as for the extra rank, I don't really see the crane gunners, presented as teams like in pic related, would have a rule to fire on an extra rank
but I can see them getting a rule to fire twice per turn or move an fire once per game, like for the ogre loader, thanks to the second guy helping out

>>96384641
>still only two fucking troop choices for Cathay
With every passing thread and warcom article I become more and more convinced that's two too many

>Miao Ying Dragon Model from the front

Very cool

>Miao Ying from the side

I think I'll pass.

>>96383507
I like them for general units and use heroic scale minis for generals, characters, etc. helps letting those special units pop

>>96383670
Isn't it just until the UK government spins up the new electronic tariff system or some shit?

>>96384793
she's sexy

>>96384693
There's no reason why a merc character can't join a unit

>>96384675
>gives away nuln special rule which massively helps gunners actually contribute
>also better blackpowder so most games you can shoot from deployment turn 1
>mercs with 0 downside
>ambushing baloons
Man fuck GW for this, and fuck anyone who tries to being this soup slop to my table.

>>96384947
lol, was also thinking of this

Reprinted the bull centaur renders slightly smaller. 166% scale on the left, 150% on the right. Happier with this size for the stats these dudes have. Since I now have three bigger ones spare I might make two of them into statues like anon suggested and use the third as a taur'ruk.

>>96385123
his cock is still the same size right

>>96384054
That would have been more interesting. Why develop when you can giant dragons to come in and solve all the problems?

I'm still disappointed they went with the dragon emperor being a literal dragon and not a line of crazy people who had drank too much mercury.

>>96384837
Yes the UK government is using it to stir up rage. It's hilarious, the tariffs have no effect on anything except Americans wallets, and the entire reason small UK companies can't ship to America right now is because Royal Mail doesn't have "systems in place" to handle payment

>>96384054
you just make them boring in a different end of the spectrum

>>96383669
i would say youre going to want the 3+ save for sword and board

>>96384054
Bretonnia does this already.

>>96383669
>not taking both

>>96383986
I think they should have just been given different styles of black powder, more focused on rockets than shot. Instead of dudes with muskets have dudes with fire lances, short range, poor pen, lots of hits, maybe give them a melee profile while you're at it.

Just finished assembling my Great Bray-Shaman, using an AoS Tzaangor shaman, shit toruble with the feet, so ILl have to fiddle wiht the absing a bit to hide that, removed the baroque, and the lower half of the 'helmet' and the staff's top .

What's everyone's working on? I'm only seeing Cathay bitching/praising but no models on either side of the argument

>>96384671
I know Cathay doesn't have enough units to really theme an army, but this is pathetic. It's just Cathay with some Empire units as mercenaries.
There's no real indication that it's a naval force. Why do they have giant stone statues on the ships? This probably would've worked better as an Empire force with some Cathay units mixed in, like for troops, artillery, and flyers.

>>96386494
Still working on my gors, slow and steady progress.

>>96386534
Nice.

>Big Tongue
>Mushroom anal plug
Slaneeshi-themd? Or just warped ones?

>>96386543
Just a regular gor that's on his way to become warped

>>96386532
Agreed on all fronts, and I would’ve vastly preferred the last bit to what we got

Can’t decide between painting my empire guys as Solland or Nuln with some Wissenland sprinkled in. I already have a general on griffon painted as Solland but idk… been a bit indecisive lately

>>96386612
Mix colours, make it an 'Imperial Army' instead of a provincial one

>>96386622
Sounds like a swell idea… not much one for TOW’s time period hence why I got a Balthasar Gelt mini I’m my army and am trying to get a Elspeth Von Draken recast for it too… hm. My problem with an “imperial army” is there’s always gonna be one big regiment of models outnumbering everyone else and to me it wouldn’t make much sense to have that regiment made up of different provinces. But honestly I HAVE considered a multi provincial army (mostly the southern provinces, from Solland to Stirland). Maybe I could just have multiple large regiments and just rotate which I use each game? Sounds tedious but would be kino as hell I think

>>96383507
Just say they're women.

>>96386635
Same, after all the noise they made to destroy it, there's no real reason to follow their silly time line.
You could always go that the Solland part of your army is merely to main army under the Count on a griffon, the other regiments being placed under his command to round up his army.
Nuln canons and crews would be better than a Solland one for example, simply based on reputation, Stirland archers over Averland ones...

>>96386677
I have 20 archers so personally I think I have plenty to go around (like 4 msu units is what I was thinking), but I see your line of thinking. I’ll figure something out. Might make all my knights either Reiksguard and White Wolves or all mercenaries cuz I think it’d be neat. Can’t really decide, but I’m leaning more towards freelancers. I do have a Ludwig Schwarzhelm scan so I could use him as a BSB within ICK or something.

>>96386693
>>96386677
I mention Gelt and Schwarzhelm, IK people here dont like named characters but I personally like having their minis, they’re cool to me, adds gravitas to a group imo, ofc I do like having my own dudes though

>>96386694
Oh yeah! I got Khazrak one-eyed as my Beastmen General, and a few metals models as well, they stand out much more in an army.

>>96386700
Kino, got any pics? I’d share mine but they’re unpainted. Meant to paint them two days ago but I just kept finding more and more unbuilt empire kits laying around that needed building. I’ll start painting Monday or something, gotta plan out which units will be which provinces first though

>>96386708
I got some, not the best

>>96386708
>>96386750

>>96386708
>>96386750
>>96386753
I also got an old cockatrice model

>>96386750
>>96386753
>>96386761
Nice! Very based. Thanks for sharing. When I get to painting Gelt I’ll post progress on here, and if I forget I’ll post the finished product anyways

>>96384166
>I still think the sentinels and lantern are over twice the size they should have been
That's one of my favourite things about 3d printing honestly. Take a scan of the latest GW bigature, scale it down to 85-90%, print it at the more appropriate size. Done it with their rockgut troggoths, squig hoppers, great unclean one, and thinking of doing it with the new zombie dragon to fit it on a square base a bit better.

Rebased a unit of swordsmen.

>>96386841
Neat

>>96386841
Great painting

Painting an aspiring champion

Making up my mind on the cape/loincloth colour atm

Base will be snowy

>>96386841
Lookin cwisp

>>96384227
>some joke I posted on /wfg/ 3 months ago
Is that really what we call your tireless shitposting spree now?

>>96384641
The wave 2 is definitely coming. At the very least a crossbow sprue for the jade warriors.

>>96387059
That Khorne head looks mint! Which kit is it from? Lovely Champion

>>96386753
Do you still have Khazrak's dawg?

>>96387422
I think its just from the blood warriors kit

>>96383782
>the daemon got ate

ESL here, shouldn't it be "got eaten"?

>>96383782
>whether it came to duel him or reward him
it's probably both if we're talking about khorne

>>96383378
It basically costs the same as most factions' heavy chariots but gains +3 wounds, is flying and massively more maneuverable, can't be pinned down in combat and has amazing shooting that can wipe out whole units. It's absolutely nuts they costed it what they did and gives me no faith in new releases for TOW. Especially as it was the most expensive unit to actually buy.

>>96387505
>the most expensive unit to actually buy
Haha damn what a coinkydink right?

>>96387476
was eaten is probably the most correct but got eaten would do too

>>96387543
Yeah, that's what I mean. I just can't be bothered with reigniting the old GW mismanagement in WHFB.

Cathay looks so gay. Should've never been released over Vampire Counts, Skaven, Daemons or Chaos Dwarfs.

>>96387700
I'll take cathay over demons.
GW never managed to make the concept work as a standalone army and even in terms of the color coded demons I don't remember the last time they managed to make something that actually surprised me for the better.
Maybe the ex-FW team will be allowed to make a range of cool ruinstorm demons, to avoid the pitfall of the rainbow vomit army, but I'm not holding my breath.

>>96387700
ikr gimme real good honest chorfs

>>96387700
>Cathay looks so gay.
Oi, don't insult the saviors of Marienburg.

>>96383946

Victrix is ancients/dark ages/high medieval. Perry did late middle ages. Both did WWII and napoleonics in plastic.

>>96387700
Cathay being in the game means that it's much easier to introduce Chaos Dwarfs into the setting again whenever 2.0 rolls around. Ogre Kingdoms too. Chorfs rarely leave the Darklands, but they'd for sure attack a caravan from Cathay passing through

>>96387873
>Chorfs rarely leave the Darklands
Where do they get their slaves then?

>>96387700
I wonder how well it actually sells among chinks.

>>96387885
the local orcs and the occasional humie delivered by hobgoblin raiders

>>96387885
I imagine they grab greenskins from across the badlands and western MoM, tribal humans from the steppes to the north, and the occasional caravan if they feel like it would be funny.

>>96387885
Hobgoblins will travel to the two neighboring mountain ranges and round up greenskins. Alot of greenskins also straight up live in the Darklands.
Chorfs also trade with Warriors of Chaos and Norscans, who actually do raid for humans. In return they get weapons and armor.

What's a soft shade?

>>96384793
Giving the dragon armour and that floating pose looks fucking horrendous

>>96387917
I think they're basically something halfway between a wash and a glaze in consistency

>>96385123
>fabazel
A man of culture

So a few months after release are we finally ready to concede that everyone saying Cathay was busted was completely right?

>>96387935
Wouldn't they shill the GW medium in that case?

Why didn't any of the Empire army books mention that Marienburg greeted a ginormous Cathayan fleet shortly before the Great War and that a dragon led the Cathayan army to scour the Wasteland of Norscan invaders? That's quite the omission.

>>96387966
This is how GW has always done retcons

>>96387966
because marienburg is not part of the empire, duh!

>>96388009
It is at this point in time

>>96387966
We are still 25-30 years before the Great War

>>96388031
yeah, but once it stops being part of the empire the empire historians in 2500 don't bother with keeping all of its history anymore, duh!

>>96387966
Because Cathay are fantasy primaris

>>96388077
primaris are a development forward, not really a retroactive insertion.
get that marine shaped tumor checked and removed so you can stop seeing marines everywhere.

>>96388109
>the marines that some guy who's always been there was cooking up for 10,000 years but never got mentioned in lore aren't a retroactive insertion
Ok newbie

>>96388126
I wasn't speaking in absolute terms, just practical ones, primaris are barely a retroactive insertion specifically because they are kept as a secret shit on the sideline before they're actually unveiled, they don't change much of what already went on all through those 10k years.
Cathay instead is being presented as having some very active, overt and fundamental roles in a relatively recent and important period of the empire's history.
It is absolutely different in practice.

If you can't see the difference and want to shitpost about marines then fuck off to /40kg/.

>>96388152
Nah, both are fakehammer vandalism. Both are anti-canon. Both should be smashed with a hammer when some retard tries to bring them to your game.

>>96387700
Everything you listed is just as gay except for demons

>>96388257
Based.

>>96388257
Cope and seethe little manlet

>>96388257
Are you going to post something about Warhammer or just cry about what you don't think is Warhammer?

>>96388126
Something being stated as going on in the background without anyone knowing isn't a retcon. It's an addition not a change.

>>96384447
what?

>>96387720
As a daemon player I like monogod armies, tho i wouldn't mind if they just merged them with the WoC roster

>>96387873
Also work for Dark Elves.

are there any good harpy alternatives for beastmen?

>>96388152
>I wasn't making my point with conviction, I was merely chancing a half-assed putdown that I would backpedal out of if it went against me

If seeing a single mention of marines triggers you, even in context of a warhammer fantasy discussion, maybe the traditional games board as a whole isn't for you.

>>96383315
Pretty sure it's noted in a few places the beastmen don't worship the dark gods. Worship swings a bit to close to being civilized for them. They're just created from and owned by chaos. The gods do bless them from time to time for being good at what they do, but the races don't go around looking to please the gods. Hell, beastmen don't even worship the brayshamans, they just recognize their value and relative wisdom and give them respect. The closest to being worshipped was murghur.
The marked gors are the ones who actually choose to worship a god, and they're rare and strange.

>>96388564
without kitbashing? none really. mine (which are WIP) are made from nid gargoyles and aos dark elf heads

>>96388565
The basic premise of a message forum is that you are able to read and understand what you read.
You evidently didn't.

Go back to school, or go back to /40kg/, retard.

>>96388564
If you don’t care about how they look the answer will always be
>look into mantic

>>96388564
what do you consider good, what are you looking for in terms of style, price, numbers and material?

>>96387700
dragon wife

>>96388905
Speaking of it looks like gw listened and produced enough of her to not sell out instantly. Battalion box isn’t back but that’s predictable

4 done, 38 to go.

>>96388906
Apparently their biggest costumer base is Australia, hope these guys don't go under they have great sculpts.

Sunday preview brings an audiobook and an e-book:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/g9yodfir/sunday-preview-dare-you-enter-the-tomb-world/

>>96389098
>TOW logo
>a Slaves to Darkness book
odd mixing of TROW and AoS terms

>>96389212
gotta hit as many pavlovian triggers as possible.

>>96389098
That book sucks, by the way. Everything they've written for Archaon from 6th onwards has been just awful. I kinda like how he was in 5th.

>>96383452
how much money do you think saytang will cost when he becomes a model?

>>96383452
The sentinel is cool but that limited pose is so stupid and very toy-like.

You'd think that in 2025 they'd have the capacity to design and produce a more poseable miniature.

Is nagash a different character before the end times? Did he even get any books before 8th edition?

>>96389591
>Is nagash a different character before the end times?
Yes. Right until the End Times Nagash was alive, and didn't need to be resurrected.

>>96389601
by alive im gonna assume you mean dead

>>96389614
nope, he'd been back for ages, sitting in nagashizzar

>>96389614
Mostly dead.

>>96387427
I don't know what that is.

>>96383032 (OP)
>>Thread Question:
>What's a controversial unit or equipment you wish your faction had?
lizardmen "demon princes"
but I don't mean actual demons, I'll explain:
ever since the dread saurian was a thing, I've seen this proxy for it, I didn't like it, it's not a big dinosaur, not even a sort of aztec godzilla, it's just a giant lizardman, it's weird, it didn't fit the description, it didn't fit any description lizardmen had for anything, and later I started seeing more and more examples of third party sculptors making various giant lizardmen, often making them, say, humanoid triceratops, or humanoid pterosaurs, or humanoid trex, etc, you get the idea, many had aztec garbs and were quite beautifully detailed minis, but I never liked them, both as big things and as normal sized sauri and kroxigors proxies.

but then why didn't lizardmen have a strain of "giants", like it has little dudes, medium sized dudes and monstrous infantry sized dudes? or strains of triceratops-men or sauropod-men or pterosaur-men etc? in-setting there's no answer, despite there being theoretically a LOT of spawnings of various kinds of lizardmen that look very differently.
meta-wise there are many answers, such as that it's better for the army to have big dinosaurs instead of big dinosaurmen, or that it would start overshadowing the saurus general heroes, or that when you start mixing the look of the dinos and the look of the lizardmen you start muddling the waters over whether the dinos are dinos or just less humanoid lizardmen spawning, aside from the fact that including too many looks for the skinks, sauri and kroxigors is unfeasible for what's an already relatively niche range for the priorities of the setting, and less iconic, for a company that certainly value recognisability.

>>96390284
for the longest time I simply disregarded these third party lizardmen, but then one day something clicked, why not have a very circumstantial and exceptional type of lizardmen that could be so much larger and so much closer to the looks of some dinosaurs, it wouldn't overshadow or muddle much if they were extremely rare, they don't break the lore because the lore already contains theoretically sacred spawning of lizardmen with very different looks, chameleons are an example, and I ended up thinking about the kind of world building that would justify and contextualise them better, and this was what I ended up with

>similarly to how the lizardmen maintain temples that house ancient and enormous creatures of the jungle, venerating them as sacred, they have other temples that house these gigantic lizardmen, revering them as sort of demigods, who often remain lethargic, but can be rouse in times of great need
>they're not the result of random sacred spawnings that happen occasionally, instead each and every one of them is as old, if not older, than the first lizardmen, because they are all various "prototypes" the old ones made in their process of experimenting and splicing the creatures of the primordial jungles, the process that would eventually create the finalised lizardmen races
>in a sense, they're the ancient uncles of the sarus, skinks and kroxigors, as close to them as they're to the actual monsters that inhabit the equatorial jungles, and they can be very different from one another

and this is what I mean by lizardmen demon princes: very rare, very powerful, very big and very customisable ancient monstrous lizardmen living demigods

L O L

>>96390289
>>96390284
sounds like some aos thing

>>96390293
So what was the real reason Yuan Bo had for sending her to the Empire?
Was it just to get rid of her and strengthen his position in Cathay in a set-up for their Civil War or something?

>>96390296
I admit that lizardmen are atypical compared to the average fantasy race like orcs, dwarfs and elves. They pretty much work as a "themepark" faction, very tied to their home territory and to how others interact with that place and them, more than how they interact with the other factions.
That's probably where your impression comes from.

Cringe, lizzies don't need shit like this, they already have blender Lords and super mages. I'd rather bring back the sacred spawnings from 6th, along with some new weapon options (light armor, AHW) for saurus and kroxigors for example.

>>96390333
Chaos shits were making headway in the Wasteland and neither the elves nor the dwarves were doing anything about it. He figured Miao ought to go pick up the slack.

>>96383745
>>96384086
The siege giant being a chorf thing always seemed odd to me considering how shoddy it looked (and the fact that it's literally a giant flayerkin)

>>96390522
it wouldn't surprise me if it was first meant as exactly that, a flayerkin giant for normal chaos, and then simply attached to the chaos dwarf range at the last minute

>>96390422
>I'd rather bring back the sacred spawnings from 6th, along with some new weapon options (light armor, AHW) for saurus and kroxigors for example.
Sure, but that's not controversial.

>>96383032 (OP)
Do lores count? Because I wish Tomb Kings could take Batsj8tle magic.

>>96390333
>real reason
at face value, yuan bo recognises that if chaos isn't dealt with in the west, then their northern wall is pointless, because the forces of chaos might attack cathay from multiple angles, or with too much momentum, so miao ying must deal with that, because she's the appointed 'wall against chaos'

reading in-between the lines, miao ying was the one who was sent to connect cathay with the empire at the time of sigmar, and we don't really have other mentions of other dragons going to the empire, so potentially she might be the dragon appointed to keep that relation up and functional with the old world

yuan bo sending her west to get rid of her in an attempt to wrestle more control, especially with the emperor and empress absent would be the most interesting take, but we have nothing to support that
yuan bo or perhaps a tricker playing the part of yuan bo to separate the dragons, like the monkey king

Fucking phone posting

Be honest... How accurately does this represent you?

>TQ
>OnG
Uhhhh idk? Squig mounts for Ngobbo casters and giant spider and regular squig mounts for their respective goblins? I always thought that a rare choice blunderbuss orc might be a fun concept

>>96390547
Fair, I think Oldbloods should be able to 1v1 greater demons by themselves and have a fair shot at winning.

>>96390691
I don't play 40k so that's already wrong. I'm also a brown guy.

>>96390691
I wear glasses and am not a woman, that's pretty much the only things I have in common with that thing as of now.
I might have looked like a more stereotypically fat nerd in highschool, but things have changed a lot.

>>96390691
Completely innacurate.
I'm a skinny tall guy, with no tattoos and no painted models.

>>96390691
Yes, the majority of anons ITT are fat hogs

>>96390736
Better?

>>96390796
Kek

>>96390736
>>96390743
>>96390746
Let's see those physiques

>>96390796
No

>>96390691
I'm fukken White, that's where the similarities begin and end. You have no excuse to be a disgusting fat bastard when /fit/ is right there. Definitely fits 90% of the community though.

>>96390691
Never been fat and can't grow hair out to be greasy and don't play 40k
Get better bait

>>96390816
No.

>>96390816
We don't post our children or talk about our wives smelly parts here, we talk about models and the setting of one game. Get a life perry.

>>96390796
In my experience Warhammer Fantasy players tend to be in alright shape, some definite lardasses but nowhere near as much as other GW games

>TQ
>Bretonnia(n Exiles)
I want a named Grail Knight or Hermit Knight duelist character with similar (but lesser) statline to the Green Knight, but without the respawn gimmick, and ideally on foot as a Loner.

>>96390816
>asking for topless pictures of men

>>96390867
I want them to be able to take a Duke.

Everything turned out just as I knew it would. Instead of painting my empire, I've started work on another terrain piece (there are still a lot of XPS bricks from my last project). It's still an early WIP, but more or less you can already see what it is. As for the emptinessin the middle, this part will be collapsed but with enough space to place there a few miniatures.

>>96386494
I just finished painting my thunderers. I still need to base them, but it's the last full unit that I needed.

>>96390818
>>96390835
>>96390879
>>96390835
>Afraid to post physique
Just as I thought

>>96390911
Fvcking BASED

>>96390911
looking good anon
Are you planning to add more, or is that done outside of painting?

>>96390930
dull and soulless interior

>>96390284
>>96390289
>Yes another dragon sibling/primarch bullshit
Not every faction needs super duper pooper elite HQs who are the bestest ever in lore. In fact I'd argue no factions do. Still you followed the prompt so I can't chastise you too much.

>>96390930
You mistake propriety with shame, go away now.

>>96390930
Did you take this pic ironically or are you serious

>>96391043
>>Yes another dragon sibling/primarch bullshit
Nah, the faction wouldn't revolve around them at all anymore than the faction already revolves around dread saurians, as in, in no way at all. I wasn't thinking about them as centralising and active agents like the primarchs/dragon children are, on the contrary, as passive background elements until they're summoned in extreme circumstances.

If anything I hate how fundamental to everything the dragon children have been made for cathay, I'm of the opinion things should have been way more diluted there.

>>96390930
I think I've seen this photo in a gay dating app once.

>>96390930
wtf perrynigger is actually hot?

>>96383032 (OP)
TQ: For Vampire Counts, Bloodlines and some ghould king hero. I also think different army compositions could be useful for vampires

>Strigoi Ghoul Kingdom
No regular vampires including blood knights, more ghouls and abominable vampires like varghulfs and vargeists, must include a strigoi ghoul king
>Sylvanian Army
State troops but limited to no access to ghouls and crypt horrors, general has to be a vampire count
>Order of the Blood Dragon
Blood Knights as special, counts and thralls can take plate armour, no master necromancers or crypt horrors
>Lahmian Sisterhood
Honestly I have no fucking clue but wanted all of the bloodlines to be represented maybe can take Brets, Imperials, or Cathay as Mercs to represent manipulating other countries and no strigoi because they're like super ugly and could still be butthurt from when Ushoran's empire was destroyed.

>>96391088
he would make for a halfway decent bottom if he wasn't a sperg, that's for sure

>>96391101
>>Lahmian
maybe some nehekaran units?
clean undead chariots, some sphinxes and snakes riders wouldn't be that unfitting I think

>>96390911
SOVL. Continue to post updates.

>>96390911
Do you have like a town sketched out or just gonna go part by part? Looks good so far tho anon!
>>96390927
I like em

>>96391101
>Forgot Necrarchs
Vampire counts and thralls and strigoi must take max wizard levels, and all wizards can take invocation of nekhet but are limited to 0-1 non-wizard characters (so a single wight or wraith) and cannot take blood knights, varghulfs, or vargheists (don't like brainlet vampires who can't use magic).

Lmao jannies MOGGED

>>96390867
Unironically there's a character from the time period that would kind of fit that idea. Not a Grail or Hermit knight but with a different gimmick to the Green Knight.
>https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Malory_de_Mousillon
She could use magic items and spells to buff herself before duelling

>>96391219
>>Forgot Necrarchs
everyone does, especially because people assume it's normal necromancers who would do the flesh crafting frankenstein stuff, rather than vampiric necromancers

the usual depiction of misshapen flesh constructs just doesn't suit the otherwise more elegant and refined vampires

>>96391101
>>Lahmian Sisterhood
>Honestly I have no fucking clue
Maybe something to do with ghosts and banshees? greater availability, more screams, and circumstantial options to have near-ethereal skeleton and black knights? after all the coven throne is supported by similarly ethereal stuff

>>96391017
It's still in the early stage
>>96391186
I don't. The main idea behind this structure was that some scenarios from the generals compendium (6th) need three buildings minimum. And I wanted something different from my older builds from 2023 (see pic related for a reference, I have one more like that). I also have a fortified tower (with unfinished modular walls), so all in all, these few would make a decent outskirts of a small city outpost.

>>96391424
>Maybe something to do with ghosts and banshees?
Please don’t. You don’t understand where this ends up doing in the long term.

>>96391445
Nice
Was mostly just curious I too think a few buildings next to a field or something make for good battlefields on the fly.

>>96391445
And here are the mentioned walls, all of them are modular so they could be easily used as a backdrop for a battle at the side of the table. The thing is, it needs a lot of spacle and paint and after the main structure I had enough of it...

>>96391088
>>96391086
>>96391114
What was it, I missed it?

>>96391506
Just perryfaggot asking for photos of naked men to satisfy his homolust.

>>96391449
I wouldn't expect all screams to be as cancerous and all extra ghosts to be exactly as immune to attacks as normal ghosts.

>>96391506
perrynigger posing naked with a katana and looking oddly lickable

Thinking about magnetizing this guy when he comes in to be able to swap to a griffon and pegasus also. How small of a magnet would I be able to get away with do you think?

>>96391506
A married father posting naked pictures of himself in order to solicit pictures of mens' bodies on the internet

>>96391702
Its more common than you think

>>96391700
As long as the Pegasus also seats him well a pretty small one like 5x2mm woupd be plenty

>>96391633
>>96391702
desu kinda based lol

>>96391737
Thanks anon

>>96391032
>>96391044
>>96391064
What was there? Porn or a mini sitting on the crapper with its cock out?

>>96391967
Just perryfag shirtless holding a katana behind his back

>>96391998
It is true, then. The brap demons have found a new host.

>>96392073
We need a master exorcist to save him

>>96392213
It is too late for him... I fear he put on the medallion.

>TQ
i don't know how it would fit but beastmen should have a massive fucking gorilla, like forgeworld khorne dragon size

>>96393186

Chaos apes would be a great idea.

Another thread ruined

>>96393186
Hell yeah nigga

>>96393186
Produ e a bigger Scyla James, you coward

>>96393736
So, is he meant to be like a gorilla?

>>96393186
Personally I think they should get flying monkeys in place of harpies

>>96393791
vaguely but yes, the concept art makes it more clear

>>96387720
Yeah daemons never really worked for me. The army seems very segregated and is more and more falling into the very specific silos of the gods rather than the full weirdness of what chaos can be.

A few things that I think would improve daemons of chaos as an army:
>Have a few generic "lesser daemon" units which you can customise with upgrades and mark them how you like
>Allow daemons and daemon princes to have the mark of chaos undivided, to represent allegiance to minor gods like Hashut, or just unaligned ones
>Add in some unaligned daemon units other than just the furies. The HH novels have some interesting ones
>Add a mechanic to represent the bargains and pacts in the great game. For example, say slaneesh is willing to lend Tzeentch some daemonettes while their goals align, or a Khorne champion is using something Nurgle wants as a bargaining chip. The idea is that the armies don't have to be mono-god, but there's a price to bringing others' units

What have you been reading?

>>96394168

And quiet flows the Don by Mihail Shohoklov, it's been really good so far, but it's not really related to Warhammer.

>>96394168
/MyDudes/ fluffy lore

Flamethrower team and clanrats

>>96394168
Zavant. Holds up quite well looking at Sherlock style cases. Then there’s the liber chaotica which in great justices focuses mainly on the old world and not 40k tossers

>>96391101
Now that we have Cathay, you could also do a jade blooded AoI. That could be mostly cathayan units with a vampire hero and some zombies, corpse cart, and ghosts. Probably best to wait for Cathay to have some more units like peasants though.

>>96394168
Monstergirl wrestling manga.

Question for both TOW and WHFB time periods, were there ever White Wolf Knights stationed in Nuln?

>>96394390
In the up and arms RPG book it says they have a small but noticeable presence in Nuln

>>96394422
Up in arms*

>>96394422
>>96394426
Excellent, thank you

>>96394186
Good taste in books, anon. Somewhat related pic (not mine, found it online but I've seen this army irl), Don Cossack ogres made by an absolute legend from Rostov-on-Don. The bases are magnetised to be swappable with squares.

I want to get this new master necromancer. The plan is to take him off the big scenic base, sculpt on basic pointy wizardy shoes, and stick him on a 20×20. The big scenic base with skellies and wight king will make an excellent unit filler or objective.

>>96394773
Forgot pic.

>>96394776
what a great diorama ruined by a shitty Necromancer sculpt

>>96394776
>>96394786
He looks like he’s too busy pimping out whores to be raising the dead imo

>>96394786
I wouldn't call it shitty, they didn't go crazy on the detail. Not giving him shoes and a shirt is rather strange, he looks like prime gachimuchi material like this.

>>96393853
I think they should be mixed with WAC with conditions like you need a character of the appropriate mark to take said daemons (I can't see an all nurgle army summoning some daemons of Slaanesh). If we were to retcon everything however I think Ruinstorm style daemons could be interesting enough to represent a stand alone army. However I think the lore has currently enshrined Chaos daemons as fairly standardized in form by God. Granted you could probably still increase types Slaanesh gets tiny Nurgling style imps for example.

>>96394776
What is it with GW and having barefoot people?

>>96394925
Probably a fetishist on the team

>>96394806
>>96394925
I think the bare feet are due to the sculptor not knowing how to make the dude stand on the stone in a natural way with more rigid feet, so instead he went for the more organic grippers, as they call them

>>96394964
Not every depiction of feet has fetishistic intent behind it.

>>96394925
>>96394964
If you see feet and instantly think lewd thoughts maybe you're the problem

>>96395029
>>96395141
What if the fetish is "muh grimdark"? Think about the State trooper bare feet.

>>96395188
don't confuse grimdark with mudcore or soldiers occasionally having broken shoes for mudcore

>>96395211
Thanks anon, mudcore is what I meant. I still think having no shoes is stupid.

>>96395211
The idea of common soldiers having no shoes is pretty stupid. Any soldier withput shoes is gonna be out of action pretty quickly due to injuries or some sort of fungal infection or frostbite depending on the conditions. Even if your shoes are falling apart you'll tape or tie them together before going on a long march and fighting on a battlefield with rough terrain.

>>96394602

That's a real labor of love. Had the books on my shelf for years, this year I wanted to fight against my atrophied attention span and read longer books. Finished life and fate earlier this year and I think I'll order the final translated parts of the red wheel series, only got to the first part of march 1917 so far.

>>96395417
the point is not that the soldier starts without shoes, but that soldiers end up breaking shoes on marches
it's not something that warrants representation on a toy soldier kit, but it's not this great offense

>>96395451
And if his shoes get broken than he'll fix them as quickly as he can in the most ad hoc methods required (get a string and tie the soles to the tops, wrap them in bandages to hold them together). If the shoes are beyond repair and he can't get new ones the soldier is a casualty walking. Imagine marching 10-20 miles in a day on dirt or gravel road barefoot or imagine walking, jogging, and even running barefoot through fields and forests for hours with no specific periods to stop marching.

Now is this worth reeing about? Nah, but it's unrealistic and since mudcore tries to appeal to a gritty realism I think it takes the grittiness too far and flies right by the realism. It's akin to having normal human mudcore soldiers with missing arms and legs flailing around with pikes and swords.

if I wanted to go with an infantry heavy army, would I be better off going with orcs or dwarves?

I'm looking mostly for whatever costs less, I have a box of 31 orc boys already but the battalion box doesn't seem like the best deal points wise

>>96395587
Dwarfs are point dense. I have only up to ~55 dwarfs (plus warmachines) on the field in 2000pts games (though I play against undead so I pay extra for veterans and runic banners).
They are hard to kill and hard to shift, but slow. Heroes can also become very expensive (and deadly).

>>96394168
UGLY FAT BASTARD RAPE

>>96395827
What did you use for the shield? Good conversion job but whenever I see conversions using those warriors they're always doing the waiter-holding-a-platter pose and it makes me kek everytime

Is there a reason chaos dwarf models are so much bigger than their contemporary dwarf plastic equivalents, or is it just a quirk of sculpting?

>>96396114
And by chaos dwarf I mean legion of azgorh

>>96395827
Nta but I am currently split on Orcs and Dwarfs myself. I currently use WoC. Which one would add a bit of a more enjoyable dimension?

From what I see, Orcs don't hit remotely as hard as Chaos and depend on numbers more than anything.

I have dipped into both. I did like that Orcs could mpve but as far as charge damage was concerned, seemed a bit meh. Only boar boyz seened to do OK.

Dwarfs are tough buggers, mbut damn they're slow. What woukd you suggest based on your exp as Dorfs.

>>96394776
this is an eurovision singer and you can't change my mind

>>96394207
The warpfire thrower and clanrats look great but holy shit I got PTSD of them detonating abd murdering my men by the dozen in an old vidya.

When the FUCK are we gonna get some Kislev models in Old World ffs

>>96395587
Dwarfs 100%

THE infantry army, and it isn’t a horde so you won’t want to kill yourself painting the whole thing. Also relatively cost-efficient army to collect.

>>96386841
Good painting. I can't stop laughing at this sculpt, though. It's not your fault. It's just a goofy face.

>>96396157
They're two pretty different factions. Dwarf are fun but their playstyle is pretty defensive and are more locked to somewhat different variations of "come at me bro" strategies. You have very limited spells and pretty much never get to pick your fights. Dwarf shooting isn't that great either.

>>96396618
It's actually one of the better ones. Get a load of the ginger in the second rank.

Why is no one buying Miao ying.

>>96396739
because it's a shit model?

>>96386841
RETVRN TO MONKE!

These sculpts are fun to paint!

>>96396671
I don't mind a defensive playstyle. I hope to try Orcs again to get a better feel but was a but underwhelmed at their killing capacity where Dwarfs were impressively durable which I liked.

That said, cavalry seems to be a bit rough if used right vs dorfs. How have you found it?

>>96396295
Mid-late 2026 at the earliest.
But we should have gotten Kislev before Cathay.

>>96396110
The shield is sculpted on a round 25mm base, with the old shield decorations and magnets.
>pose
Yeah, no getting around it without magior resculpting.

>>96396157
A reliable core is a block of rangers/quarrelers (1 kit does both), with an engineer and an organ gun on a hill. This gives you range agains inf and heavy inf/cav.
>If you play static, and don't have to capture, you can add another engineer/Burlok and another organ and/or catapult.
>if you want to move, add a dozen thunderers with the expeditionary marksmen upgrade, great weapons, Burlok and a Bugman's cart for +1 movement.
Get a couple of melee infantry blocks. Great weapons are your friend: you are already tanky, but you need to be killy as well.
Warriors are good, but longbeards are better.
Hammerers with a lord are a deathstar, but you need to force the enemy to charge you (use artillery).

The other units are more situational.

>>96396837
Cavalry needs to be shot (organ gun preferred). I usually just manoeuvre infantry to face them and tank the charge. 7-models wide front (or more for shoots units), 2 ranks and great weapons will resolve in a draw. And the following rounds you have the advantage.

>>96396837
>underwhelmed at their killing capacity
dont you have fanatics?

>>96397004
Sounds good. I was thinking potentially combined arms but I am a fan of, ironically, the humble Dwarf Warrior. Are they viable?

I am looking at a potential dirt cheap 500 point army to start wuth 10 Thunderers, Warriors and Ironbreakers.

If I like, I will expand with artillery, organ gun going by what you said, and maybe gyros. Does that sound ok?

>>96397031
Dwarf warriors are really good. Longbeards is what pretty much everybody brings. Thunderers arent that great unless in xforce and buffed furthrer by burlok. Ironbreakers arent very good in 1.5 as they are very overpriced

>It was the Old Ones that shaped this world into a paradise.
>Yet the power they harnessed to move sun and rock, could not be tamed.
>Raw Magic erupted from the Great Cataclysm, flowing forth from a Realm of Chaos.
>So came the Daemons...
Kino.

>>96390289
Lizardmen as a faction are lizards that ride dinosaurs, there's no need to actually make them into dinos. You have cool characters like Tetto'eko, Lord Kroak, and Kroq-Gar that are cool because of the exceptional stuff that they do, not because they're the biggest lizard to ever be. They already have Kroxigors, we don't need to start powercreeping lizardmen by making them bigger, you can just change up what kind of mounts they ride and that works just fine.

>>96397031
Pretty much what >>96397224 said.
Dwarf warriors are good, and the options and addition of characters makes them great.
>I used the same plastic kit for both longboards and warriors, so I can claim they are whatever.
>no I'm not getting the new plastic ones, I want the metal models back.
Thunderers good in xforce. Otherwise get quarrellers/rangers, with longer threat range. And rangers with scout are good for objectives grabs in any composition.

I love Ironbreakers, but at the moment they literally only work as a wall. Costly, hard to move, won't kill much. You need movement synergies (anvil, Bugman's cart, runes) to become a real hinderance in the face of the enemy.

We've been discovering TTRPG with some friends playing WFRP 4th edition. They don't know Warhammer but we've been having a blast so far once I gave them a quick briefing.

A few issues though: We're on holidays and I'll need to move away again and we live far apart. What software (ideally free) would you recommend since I GM? I assume discord for the call and some additional software for the rolls, character sheets and all?

Additionally, we're only 3, 2 players and myself, the DM. I play a character too, so that they're not all by themselves. However, obviously being the DM my character's input is limited, more of a follower. I've been following pre-written adventures so far but is there any way where we could have an adventure where things are truly random and I could participate almost as much as the other players, without spoiling myself?

>>96398099
Roll20 has WFRP character sheets. You don't need a software, you can just use that website.
Just make your own adventure.

>>96398211
Cool, that'll work! Thanks!

>>96397031
Dwarf warriors are very viable. If it were not for the fact you can cheaply upgrade them into longbeards which are even better, they could be in competition for the best non-elite infatry in the game.

>>96397024
I just used big uns, boyz and boars. I get they were not suoer elites but even when I rammed into the enemy unit, I didn't do as much.

For context, if my chaos knights rammed something, 90% of the time, it's losing chunks of bodies. Granted the biar boyz 5 vs 9 knocked the cathay lancers to 4 before breaking but still.

>>96398237
>>96397224
>>96397677
Brilliant! Unfortunate about IB but I like the idea of a top tier wall and Warriors being viable has sealed the deal. Thank you dawi.

>>96398099
Foundry VTT is the most supported by Cubicle 7 ,but if you're fine with Roll20 it should work fine as well

Just sold an Imperial Knight for 390€

What is the verdict on Wood Elves?

>>96398643
They’re dogshit.

>>96398643
Since yoy love knights you might love their playstyle which is totally opposite of knights. Beware there ar many shit ass wood elf units tho and some arguably OP propping up the faction
>pros
Good shooting, good mobility. Their Heros tend to have good output. Treekin are great anvil. Good defensive magic, and some great magic items. Wild riders solid hammers. Access to a dragon.
>cons
Many shit units or units that are very limited. Waywatchers need an 85pt hero tax. Dyrads can't get full command and only can take a mage or branchwraith hero. Flammable shit. Eternal guard overcosted. Worst Heros (well just orion) with names. Poison nerf reduced our damage vs monsters significantly. And ofc we are squishy as all fuck and magic missiles artillery and even slings will hurt us.
>overall it's a very unique faction of which your mileage will vary based on your preference of gameplay and moreso your tolerance to be somewhat flexible on the table but very limited in what you are able to bring that'd not shit.

>>96398760
>that'd not shit
That's not shit. I.E going all in on pure trees or elves or using any of the AoI and generally if you don't bring some smart hero loadouts at a minium you're going to get fucking demolished by even casual lists. High skill floor and reasonably high skill ceiling albeit the top factions will fuck you up still.

Wood Elves became almost unplayable as soon as the obviously broken Pillar of Fire was reigned in. Says all you need to know about the faction, although I wouldn't say no if you absolutely loved the minis and faction.

>>96399130
I feel like they died a death of a hundred cuts. There is also 100% some vindictive rule writer at work because they get nerfed every faq. First the bow of loren and waywatcher, then the PoF, then scout, and then finaly the poison change. Also lets not forget abput them having by far the worst AJ!

>>96399299
>them having by far the worst AJ!
Genuinely was thinking it was gonna be chaos warriors but yeah elves might as well not have a journal. Cathays also looks uninspired.

New thread anyone?

Finally finished my Averland Army after a year of painting. Excuse the round bases; this army began life as an oversized Mordheim Warband.

>>96399326
>chaos warriors
I thought beastmen was going to be. I'm still working on realizing my army isn't the designated punching bag any more.

>>96400247
>Huge army
>Only one stank
>No Demigriphs
Kino

>>96400270
Just as Blessed Sigmar Intended...

>>96394207
>>96394212
good job mr rat <3

>>96400247
Fucking based and square pilled mate.

>>96400247
Nigga no Mordheim warband is that big.
You played AoS
who cares at least you played the army is fucking cool

>>96399326
Cathay rules for the Jade fleet are literally their first round draft of rules for a typical Cathay army (a buff to the melee infantry if they are close to the shooting infantry and a small buff to shooting range). It got changed into the winds of yin and yang shit because they were told they won't drop all the models at once (got to spread out the pay pig milking)

>>96396739
Because all the WAACfags already got a print of her. Plus you only need one of her, and she isn't a primarch so she won't sell like crazy

>>96400420
Thanks!
The original Mordheim gang was ~50 Guys. I just decided to stick to rounds as I grew the army from there. Funnily enough, I did play Cities of Sigmar in AoS back in Second Edition using the WHFB Dwarf sculpts. As a Zoomer, I had to bide my time till Fantasy came back since I missed out on the older editions.

>>96383048
There should be a fyre slayer hero like that

>>96400247
Very nice army Anon, plus it actually looks normal than filled with steam tanks and demigryphs

>>96383452
Give me Five Big Chinks, and I'll give you an empire

Preyton bros…we made it

>>96394776
Saga: age of magic undead warlord figure in disguise.

What’s wrong with Demigryph knights? Ik they’re meant to be rare, the most I have is 6 including characters mounted on them in a White Wolf knightly order list, and models wise I only have 3 so far for my GA and Morr knightly order list (primed and basecoated them today, painting them tomorrow), I think that’s like a reasonable amount since the total would be 9 split across two different orders. Or is the problem that they look stupid? Or both

>>96401216
It's probably from a shitposter or a 6th ed purist mad about...well life.

>>96400846
we made it but at what cost?

>>96401216
>>96401272
I think anon's point was
>filled with
A.k.a. some WAACfag army running only the good stuff, e.g. a VC scream list. The Averlander army looks like an actual army that goes beyond points and simply looks impressive.

>>96401272
Could be
>>96401336
Ahh makes sense

>>96400003
>>96400713