Thread 96402212

Something i have discovered about Warhammer is the more you get into it the more you learn to fucking hate space marines and their players. Not the Imperium, Space Marines. i am certain that everything wrong with Warhammer and GW as a whole can 100% be traced back to the fact Space Marines are the favorite faction. The 'Humor' SM players have is awful, the Lore is boring, the Stories are usually boring with like one or two interesting one, and overall they bring down the setting and world for everyone else.You can actually track the slow decline of GW with the ever increasing rise of Space Marine love, to the point im not even sure why we still call it Warhammer 40k instead of Warhammer: Space Marines. What really got me is how every important figure in 40k imperium are just ever bigger space marines.

Forgot to mention this, but Space Marines are also the reason Fantasy sucks now, given they just HAD to restart the universe to add in a Space Marine faction to Fantasy. Space Marines corrupt everything I hate them. Chaos sucks, Imperium sucks, any faction that tries to make their own Space Marines (Tau fucking trying is so god damn lame) suck. GW should restart 40k like they did Fantasy and nuke Space Marines from the universe unironically.
>Youre rage baiting
this is my unfiltered take, Space Marines are a cancer that ruin not only 40k but anything that manages to be 40k adjacent (Helldivers, Trench, etc)

>>96402212 (OP)
You're correct, but preaching to the deaf.

>>96402212 (OP)
While I agree the prioritization of Space Marines sucks, as they are really not that interesting compared to plenty of other stuff in the setting, they have pretty much always been the posterboys and the main focus. What actually changed and made the issue much worse is Horus Heresy novels. This is what created a large and vocal subgroup within the fandom which cares almost exclusively about Space Marines, obsesses about them and the lore of their favourite legion to weird degree, prefers their SM-centric prequel to the actual main 40k setting, craves a marvelised narrative in which fates of the galaxy are decided by 20 superhumans having a row etc. Whatsmore, it also shifts away focus from anything that isn't a Space Marine, as even the antagonists in HH are mostly also Space Marines and almost every other faction or group is largely an afterthought. And with popularity of HH these tendencies have been clearly leaking into the main 40k setting.

They're literally the only reason the setting didn't fall down behind the couch cushions and disappear like every other crazy apocalyptic space 80's wargame. People thought the gothic space knight thing was cool and that kept the series' heart pumping long enough for it get a real foothold. Say "thank you, space marines".

>>96402212 (OP)
Space Marines are just the sci-fi version of chaos warriors but for good guys. So really the blame is one chaos warriors and how cool they are in concept and design that GW had to make a version of them for the good guys. Instead of praying to chaos they pray to the Emperor, weird armour unqiue to them they never remove, utterly devouted to war, better than a single person in combart, bigger, stranger and scarier etc.
So really its chaos fault

>>96402338
cause and fault are different concepts.
warriors are the cause, marines are at fault.

>>96402332
Fuck you Space Marines, if there was any justice in the world theyd be long gone. This view is so stupid because it has zero basis, considering the fact old lore was much different then the lore of today. Space Marines could not exist and Warhammer would have sold from the Imperium, and Xenos alone, or did Marines eating their own shit really do numbers back then.

>>96402212 (OP)
No joke, the first time I learn about 40k, I thought ALL Mankind have evolved to be SM and I thought it was really cool.
Then I learned that normal humans still exist, somehow, and SM were just a high caste of supersoldiers and then all about them became lame to me.

>>96402212 (OP)
It's democracy you pinko scum, space marines are just the most popular. Because they're the best.
>B--b-b-but if my beloved special snowflakes got as many new miniatures as Space Marines did, THEY would be the #1 faction!
If you really believe that then there's nothing I can say to help you. The new eldar diorama is pretty cool though.

>>96402347
fair point i'll accept that

>>96402212 (OP)
Something that really gets me about this is that Space Marines are just, insanely boring. There are very very few things interesting about walking zealot tanks that arent outdone by other Imperium factions in much cooler ways. SOB and Mechanicus are just, way cooler and more interesting, even Guard are better. Almost every other Xenos are cooler outside Dark Eldar and Votan, Tau could be so much more interesting given their base identity and given so much more if Space Marine players didnt sperg out so hard. I geniunely believe Space Marines drag down the setting and what GW can do with it because they have to conform to their whales and what they like, and what that means is Space Marines, MAYBE Chaos for Space Marines to fight, and anti Xeno outside maybe Orks which is a Space Marines fags only accepted Xeno for some reason.

>>96402349
>if there was any justice in the world theyd be long gone
Okay so stop playing warhammer now or then, cause that's what got everyone into it.

I don't even know why people cry about them so much. They're just cool power armor knight guys. Why's that make your cock cage chafe so bad?

>>96402371
Dark Eldar are way cooler than space marines. Agree on votann tho

>>96402415
>I don't even know why people cry about them so much. They're just cool power armor knight guys.
Because theyre GWs safe little crutch that stops them from telling actual stories in the universe, theyre the pacifier of 40k for man babies who never want to grow up and taste real food. Also Space Marine fans have insane egos for being dads' favorite and are insanely unfunny. Le Heresy! Le Face the Wall! Le Die Xeno!!!

>>96402371
Maybe marinefags would be more accepting of non-ork xeno factions if their players were able to not constantly seethe about space marines.

>>96402577
I gurantee, for every one Xeno player seething (rightly) about Marinefags, ten billion Marine fags are shitting up threads about Xenos and Sperging about the Emperor

>>96402438
>Because theyre GWs safe little crutch that stops them from telling actual stories in the universe, theyre the pacifier of 40k for man babies who never want to grow up and taste real food
This is the sort of thing I'd come up with if I didn't have any actual point, but I was insanely upset. People just like space marines man. There's no secret hidden better narrative that would exist if they weren't there. They'd just gas up the next most popular thing that was keeping the lights on.

>>96402438
> Because theyre GWs safe little crutch that stops them from telling actual stories in the universe

>>96402212 (OP)
> Lore is boring, the Stories are usually boring with like one or two interesting one, and overall they bring down the setting

How mind numbingly retarded do you personally have to be to think that the problem with 40k is simply that the dogshit authors making terrible stories are writing about space marines? These stories won't be any better about anyone else. Fucking lore secondaries man.

>>96402212 (OP)
>the worst part of the superwar game is the super warriors
lmao
You almost figured it out with the players though. You all suck, its just that there's lots more space marine players so you notice it more often.

>>96402710
this. 40k lore is the lowest form of slop genre fiction.

>>96402212 (OP)
>the more you get into it

Not necessary. I hated Space Marines and idiots who like them before I even knew what 40k was, and I'm still not 'into' it while my disdain has only grown.

>>96402323
GW should have went for Great Crusade more than for Horus Heresy, at least then we'd have more Space Marines vs Xenos.
Hell, make some Xeno species unique for 30k for the pre-Heresy Legions vs Xenos games, even early Eldar would work better.

>>96402332
Nah, Eldar, Tyranids and Guard all had superb followings as well. Everything was just heavily space marine marketed since they were the imperiums posterboys and it was the easiest force for GW to start with. Also leads to just about the biggest discrepancy of how Space marines are in the lore versus their tabletop performance, which is kind of hilarious.
Also it was super easy for GW to repurpose SM sprues to get the most bang for buck while changing out some details. Same thing applies for Rhinos/Razorbacks/Whirlwinds/Predators/Land Raiders

>>96402989
This Anon makes a good point. It's far easier to make many Your Dudes out of Space Marines kit compared to Imperial Guard, which would require several model sets for at least couple of most famous regiments with optional elites from rarer regiments, compared to Space Marines having special models sets for only some Chapters.

>>96402371
But they're not zealots. That was their one defining characteristic, being space monk warriors, but they basically took away the religiosity. They don't even worship the emperor any longer.
They're just nothing.

>>96402371
>There are very very few things interesting about walking zealot-
They are not zealots, that's like one of two chapters. Did anyone got their info from memes?

>>96402223
Fantasy got shut down because it didn't sell bro, we've been over this ad nauseum, and I say this as the biggest WFB fan. GW making AoS and adding space marines is so they could have a profitable fantasy setting (at the time.) Hate the marines all you want but don't just start making shit up.

>>96403151
>>96403179
NTA, but
>burning hatred towards anything that isn't Imperium of Man
>fanatical loyalty towards the Imperium and heavy indoctrination into its philosophy, even if not religion
>obsession with traditions and tenets of their chapter
>mostly don't know or accept any other way of life
The fuck you're on about, of course most SM are zealots, just mostly not religious zealots

Bro, thats really mean. Pls no bully and i implore you to take it back.

>>96403222
Oh now I feel dumb cuz I didn't saw it that way.

>>96402212 (OP)
>Something i have discovered about Warhammer is the more you get into it the more you learn to fucking hate space marines and their players. Not the Imperium, Space Marines.

Entirely correct. Worst thing about the game and setting. Overexposed; handled with soft, fluffy babby gloves; individual chapters are treated like stand-alone factions; targeted at the very worst type of player ("I'm a big boy!"-self-insert fantasies).

Even people who like Marines shouldn't like this, because they're supposed to be rare in-setting, yet are ubiquitous on the tabletop because of GW favoritism.

Oh well, they basically got squatted 7 years ago and 40k is a ruined setting anyways. Nothing good has happened with 40k in two decades now, it's just a gigantic, shambling corpse.

>>96403326
>Even people who like Marines shouldn't like this, because they're supposed to be rare in-setting, yet are ubiquitous on the tabletop because of GW favoritism.

They've literally been the main faction since day one

>>96403746
>They've literally been the main faction since day one
That's not in dispute. Rogue Trader was also a different setting from 3e onwards, but mistakes started being made in 2e by releasing Chapter codices. Still, the Marine-wank was NOWHERE CLOSE to what it is now.

It's also irrelevant to the point. They can be the focal faction (though I'd argue they shouldn't), but having almost half the armies on the tabletop being some form of muhreen ruins the immersion. What supposed to be special ends up feeling mundane.

Also instructive, note the cover art you posted: the Marines in that picture are *losing.* Instead of "Le Invincible He-Men," they're muddy, bloody, and dying. Proper brutal, proper grimdark. Try to imagine a newer publication showing this (they won't, because little Timmy would get very upset).

(also note: little Timmy is 38 years old and weighs 400 pounds)

>>96403913
Modern cover art by comparison:
Primaris (not a Space Marine, but close enough) is heroically backlit and is viewed from a low-angle. His armor is unblemished. We can see flash effects showing he is being hit, but the shots are harmlessly glancing off his armor. There is no prospect of defeat, his off-camera enemies are assuredly being wasted.

No danger, no drama. Total superhero faggot shit.

>>96403974
Edit: they even placed the winged logo behind him to depict him as an angelic figure.

40k faggots eat this slop straight from the trough. They love it, even though it totally undermines the premise of the setting.

>>96402212 (OP)
>The 'Humor' SM players have is awful, the Lore is boring
Okay but Stripes though.

>>96402212 (OP)
Success breeds jealousy.

>>96402357
Nobody is calling for "my side to be #1!"

People correctly object to the oversaturation and favoritism shown to one faction by the publisher itself.

>>96403974
RT was not a codex. Codex covers rarely deviate from showing their titular faction in a good light, for obvious reasons.

But this is beside the point, which is that you don't know anything about 40k, past or present. Or about marines. You're just a stupid shitposter fishsing for (you)s

>>96403974
Every factions codex does this in some form anon, you've lost all common sense due to your hate boner

>>96404676
>RT was not a codex
No shit. Here's the 10e rulebook, clearly referencing the RT cover, except lacking the brutality.

Modern 40k art only shows Marines in a shiny, positive, superhero light. Today's GW would never publish a rulebook cover like the RT for the aforementioned reasons.

>>96404933
9e. Guilliman as an angel. No menace, good vs. evil, safe, harmless, weak, gay. Marvelcore.

Put your head back in the trough, pig.

Your Grimdark™ setting.

>>96404933
>>96404952
the fact that you're talking about covers and not the content, or how you're obviously unaware of current Space Marine lore, says it all.

You can larp as a fake grog all you want. People who know, can see through your bullshit.

>>96402212 (OP)
The largest part of Space Marine appeal is just the sheer diversity. There is always something for someone, and they're easily modifiable into yourdudes.

You hear a lot less about the vast multitude of forces that exist in other factions, and there's less creative talk about carving out your own niche in those factions.

>>96404994
>fake grog
lmao, xhe reveals xerxelf.

NuHammer is trash, and secretly, you know it.

>>96405026
That is entirely because more attention has been given by GW. Ork Clans, Hivefleets, Craftworlds, Guard Regiments are all more different from each other than Chapters are from one another (this doesn't apply to all armies' subfactions, though), but those rarely if ever receive their own model ranges or special rule books.

This isn't to say that every armies' subfactions deserve their own product ranges, just that there is nothing inherently special about Marines' internal variety.

>>96405075
>That is entirely because more attention has been given by GW
This is just cope. Nothing made by GW, no matter its quality or exposure, sells as well as Space Marines.
Even when GW own designers are sick of them, and try to push in other directions, they can't escape the pull of their own creation.

Space Marines are just a perfect mix of appealing things to the male psyche. The day pic related first appeared in a WD it was over. It's like trying to argue against Coca-Cola or chocolate.

You can enjoy other 40k factions, but they will NEVER outsell marines.

>>96405124
>but they will NEVER outsell marines.
Not the point. The faction that you play in 40k isn't your "team"; how well they sell doesn't give you victory points. What should matter is the setting as a whole, and the setting suffers because of corporate-directed Marine wankery. What's good for GW's pockets isn't necessarily good for the game (this should be obvious).

You're posting a RT-era pic, but Marines back then weren't the same as they are now (not even talking about primarishit), because they weren't being handled with babby gloves back then. They weren't being constantly puffed-up to feed the vicarious fantasies of obese nerds.

>>96405124
When did they try to pull in other directions? I don't really remember any non-marine focus unless you count either AoS, which is often argued to be a SMfication of FB, or the specialist games , which are very small and serve to sell more marines often enough anyway. It feels to me it has simply been wave after wave of SM since 5th (when I started, don't know before that) with no rests in between.

>>96405171
You're in denial. The "game" is about space marines vs. everyone else, and always has been. That's why they're in the cover and in every starter set.
>Marines back then weren't the same as they are now
Wrong. You don't know anything but shallow hot takes.
>>96405190
You don't know because you're a fucking casual. GW has been pushing stuff like Titanicus or different skimish games forever, and never they've been as successful as 40k marines.
Back in RT, they pushed orks or eldar as much as marines, with obvious little success. Anad that has never changed. They do it in almost every edition, only to go back to their bread and butter marines. Because that's what people like the most about 40k.

GW does stuff like Blackstone Fortress for years, and there's still moros here whining about the main 40k game focus, ffs

>>96405306
Titanicus is a side project, hardly worth counting as a push in another direction. Didn't they release marine infantry for that now anyway? But of course it's not as succesful. Same thing for the boardgames, they're little spinoff crap, not a main-game-comparable effort. Don't be silly. About the xenos, all eldar have gotten are plastic versions of the aspect designs. Not really even worth mentioning

>>96403974
>his armor unblemished
>literally getting shot at with projectiles glancing off his armor
>unblemished
I have a feeling you have no idea what that word means.

>>96405306
>Wrong.
RT Marines weren't SUPARMANZ, weren't ten feet tall (or whatever), and lived and died in proper brutal fashion (not your gay little power fantasy)

>Back in RT, they pushed orks or eldar as much as marines, with obvious little success. Anad that has never changed.
That's not a reason to treat Chapters as if they were entire factions, other than GW's financial gain. Again, GW making money does nothing for players. Lavishing attention on Marines only exacerbates the problem. You aren't "winning" anything.
>They do it in almost every edition
No they don't. Go the the GW webstore: Marines are their own entire section alongside the rest of the Imperium, Chaos, and Xenos. Every edition* there are MULTIPLE Chapter codices. Multiple chapters have entire model ranges. How many other armies have anything remotely close to that? None (again, not that I'm saying they should. at best subfacs should maybe have a unique unit or two).


*why are there editions every few years? Oh yeah, because it's a shit game that only exists to maximize shareholder returns. Is that a good thing for 40k? It's profitable, after all!

>>96405374
Yeah, and they're glancing off harmlessly, leaving no damage, no blemish. He's in no danger. It's pussy-mode art.

I have a feeling you don't know what many words mean.

Who fucking cares.

>>96403213
You typed out a really braindead reductionist take, though. It's not like in 2012 you walked into a Games Workshop and there were two equally-sized boxes sitting on the counter, one labeled Warhammer Fantasy and one labeled Warhammer 40K, which you selected between, purchased, and then exited the store. The design, development, and expense of the game were the leading factors causing it not to sell.

>>96405124
Sweet drink and candy, the famously male combination.

>>96402212 (OP)
I think space marines have lost their sauce over the years, but I still like most! things from older editions.
>>96404769
God I love older Eldar art, practically made their 4th edition codex for me.

>>96405341
>not a main-game-comparable effort.
For that to exist there should be a provable demand of it in the market. There's not, so you don't get more than that.
You don't buy xeno only boxes or Titanicus games? Ok, you get more marines ,a proven seller
Even marines where released before RT to calibrate people's interest on them (the C100 series)

>>96405380
RT marines were just as they are nowadays. You don't know it because you're a casual that know nothing about either eras
>That's not a reason to treat Chapters as if they were entire factions, other than GW's financial gain.
Mental gymnastics to avoid the actual point: marines sell because more people like them, so they get more stuff. Everything else is just cope.
There's just not enough fans of other factions, so they get less stuff. GW is a business and always has been.
Is that simple. You are a minority of a minority, and that's it

>>96402371
Technically, Votan aren't Xenos, seeing as they evolved from humans.

>>96405468
Yes, Fantasy wasn't selling so it got the axe and they replaced it with a game they hoped would resonate the same way as 40k. Not because GW desperately wanted Space Marines in WFB. I don't know what you're disagreeing with me by making the same point?

>>96405614
Exactly, Space Marines subsidize all of the other minor factions

>>96402357
>It's democracy you pinko scum, space marines are just the most popular. Because they're the best.
i'm not sure how true this is.
i've always been told that orks and eldar were the most popular back in the day but marines overtook them around 4e-5e thanks to getting the most consistent updates.
furthermore marines benefit from having the newest sculpts and the most support.
i think marines do have some latent things that go for them.
they're easier to paint then most models, they're fairly human, very approachable at a glance, little Timmy will want to pick them up more than the evil space orks because they're dah space knights.

>>96404676
imma level with you, i think the longer art goes on the worse it gets here.
i mean fuck GW really lost lost a lot when Karl Kopinski left.
fucking red sky marines.
also this is missing codex ultramarines from 2nd.

>>96404994
anon the content has been trash since fucking ward, now the difference is the trash has needles that gives you aids.
it's still fucking trash, no matter how pozzed it is.

the art is the soul of 40k, it's the aesthetic, bad art is a bad world.

>>96404994
second thought, this is actually some of the worst prose i've read in a while.

>>96406839
>>96406851
Reminder that you're talking to someone who uses "fake grog" as an insult. It seems like eventually, every NuHammer defender, and every Marine-wank defender, reveals themselves.

40k really is a pile of festering garbage.

>>96406851
...and yeah, that writing was bad enough that I felt too much second hand embarrassment to finish reading it.

Anon actually thought xey were providing an example about how "No, 40k is still totes brutal! GW doesn't handle Marines like babbies!"

>>96407024
i think structurally it's just bad, it's all over the place and the layout makes the eye wander.
like it was an impenetrable log of text because there are no break lines, no clear paragraph divisions.
it's also extremely longwinded but for reasons that don't add to atmosphere.
i can't look at murdercurse and not feel like it's a parody name.

i know these people are underpaid and overworked but you could chop it down by like half size, redo the language and it'd be fine, i guess it's mostly like a technical issue.

like what's going on here is a massive wave of khornate energy is crashing over a crusade fleet. khorne is taking control over a great swath of them, all of them are killed because they're tainted potentially.

I'm not a professional writer so i don't think the below is a great example, god knows i've not edited it but i think this might be a bit better.

Trapped within the psychic channels of the immaterium the 4th fleet found themselves defenceless as the raw energy of the lord of murder caused those psychically sensitive to die in agonizing pain.Their blood boiling and their hearts exploding as the malign energies of the warp tore their bodies inside out.
Gellar fields offered little protecting against the dark gods rage. Thos less psychically sensitive, mortal and even space marine were not spared from this taint, their minds overwhelmed by the power of Khorne. the blood's god's howl driving them to turn upon the nearest living thing in a mindless frenzy. comrade fell upon comrade in the ensuring bloodbath and those who survived were changed, their minds twisted, their bodies deformed beyond all recognition.
the few loyal and uncorrupted soldiers of the 4th fleet barring those of the grey knights or the emperor's companions were all consigned to death with the rest, as great as this loss was for the Imperuim, the crusade could not risk such demonic taint spreading. but the impact of this loss would be felt for decades to come.

>>96402223
>Space Marines are also the reason Fantasy sucks now
Only people who belive old Fantasy didnt suck ass, are complete newfags. It is a game whos entire identity was built around you NOT using the fun stuff, one of those cases when vidya actually helped and improved it, TOW Empire box got a Steam tank in it, that would have never happend before

>>96402212 (OP)
Marines, as the flagship faction, are kind of boring and one-dimensional by necessity. This in and of itself isn't a dealbreaker; it's something with wide appeal to draw people in and, ideally, they'll "graduate" to playing a more interesting army. Where it goes wrong is in the wider setting where, despite taking place in a vast galaxy full of peril and war, the game is basically "Humans vs. Evil Humans" and the nonhuman factions were underdeveloped and generally unimportant, and this turns marines from being "poster boys" to "obvious writers' pet."

Fantasy allowed the non human factions to actually do shit and be important players in the story. Two of the longest ongoing conflicts (Elf civil war & Dwarfs vs. Greenskins vs. Skaven) all involve nonhumans. Hell, there's a separate human faction that arguably co-shares centre stage with The Empire (Imagine THAT in 40k, lol)

Also Primaris Marines and returning primarchs are the lamest goddamn thing since watching paint dry. Mary Sues, created by a Mary Sue writers' pet, undermining the whole point of The Imperium (A dying, bloated, corrupt empire in it's final days fighting desperately against the dying of the light) since, "Oh, look, turns out the situation isn't as hopeless as it looked and we can just bullshit out a thousand more chapters of bigger batmen and all the loyalist primarchs were hiding in a fridge somewhere."

TL:DR Horus Heresy was a mistake. So was the End Times, for that matter.

I would be on the marine hate train, but I have discovered Custodes players and they are absolute filth.

>another xenosfag thread seething about the most popular faction
tell us again about how the tau are the real protagonists and have never lost a single battle

>>96405124
>>96405306
This. No matter how secondaries try to pretend otherwise, Warhammer 40K is about the Space Marines.
All others are merely the decorations in theatre of war IN SPACE.

i just assume these threads are made by guardfags.

>>96402212 (OP)
They'd be fine if they didn't hog the spotlight so much. They are supposed to be elite shock troopers but, with how prevalent they are in the narrative and media, you'd be forgiven for thinking they are humanity's basic frontline troop. If GW would just give every faction their time to shine, instead of making Marines the main characters, the setting would feel so much more alive.

>>96407890
custodes encourage the most brainless form of gameplay. theres no strategy, positioning hardly matters with giga armor and autowin melee stats, you literally just place the models on the board and run at the nearest enemy. I don’t think they’ve ever played different during any stage of the game’s life

>>96407976

Custodes players are also prone to cheating, as well as psychotic political rants that have no place in the middle of a minis event (like "all Muslims should be burned alive" and "Cis men should all be sterilized at puberty," I've heard both.)

>>96407940
Probably. The fact that guard has become arguably more capeshit than spacemarines says something.

>>96407890
Yeah, Custodes are the worst. We don't mind being your worst hated faction, just get them to hell off the tables.
>>96407984
Wtf

>>96407890
No worries, Custodes are Marines.
>what!?! no way, Custodes are geneti-
More precisely, they are Marines for people who feel like Marines didn't make them feel like *enough* of a very special big-boy.

Hate away, anon.

>>96407890
The harlequinns v. custodes part of that beasat arises book was great rage bait.

>>96408012

Listen man, I'm not like OP, I don't hate marines players, I just want us to all agree that Custodes players deserve all the trolling and disrespect in the world.

>>96407984
>t. lives in a giant shithole city
Did you know grasshoppers and locust are the same animal. When pop density gets too high they change both their appearance, and behavior to maximize aggression. Get out while you can (though I get work from home isn't available to everyone)

>>96406452
nta but it has nothing to do with the game not resonating or anything like that.
Over the course of 2 editions they made it so in order to have army you'd have to paint 150+ models, including needing big regiments of 60 models for some armies, which made it impossible for new players to join the game.

They killed themselves with model count creep and rule changes which were designed to squeeze the people who were already played the game.

>>96402357
Based take, That's also why Ultramarines are the best.

>>96407915
I mean, that's just a natural extension of its origins in Laserburn, where dudes in power armour carrying bolters where the primary fighting arm of the great human galactic empire, and the dudes with mesh armour and laser guns where the planetary militia. And the guys with fancy tech where the Inquisitors.
And they where primarily fighting the Crimson Crusade, a mega cult that flayed themselves and bonded their armour on as a dermal replacement. They also worshipped an evil diety allah, the entire cult was islamic and would spring up all over.
And there where hostile aliens too.
Brian Ansell took the basis of Laserburn and some mechanics from Imperial Commander (his mass battle sci-fi game) and made 40k.

>>96408334
Never heard about that, thanks for sharing ancient history.

>>96408227

The reason this was done is because Kirby hated square bases. He just thought they looked bad.

>>96408364
The reason this was done was to increase revenue, which was short sighted.

>>96408334
>allah, the entire cult was islamic

Suddenly Chaos marines got more based

>>96408365

No, you misunderstand. Kirby was trying to kill the game line.

>>96408369
No, you misunderstand, you're retarded.

>>96404368
He sniffles out through tears, weeping over his greasy ipad displaying the still-weak state of the once-proud Kroot range.
>Why, GW, Why is there no Greater Gnarloc?
Then, only then, could we overtake the pussy marinefags and claim our rightful place at 8.88% of faction sales, alongside Drukhari and the Hrud Empire as we deserve!
Just then, a notification appears.
>ANOTHER FUCKING ULTRAMARINEFAGGOT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>96406820
What you've been told is horseshit peddled by spiteful, petty, seething NPC faction fans. There's a reason Marines have been in every single starter box for the game GW has produced.

>>96404962
I actually like the mix
>setting is complete shit for 99.99999% of its real estate
>BUT IN ONE SINGLE MOLECULELAR SPEC OF THE GALAXY, A HERO FUCKING SHINES...until he eventually dies or gets corrupted

The idea is that there are heroes left in man, just nowhere near enough, and they always have Ecclesiastic horseshit to deal with if they do make it home. Some heroes are actively shot or smothered in the crib before they can ever do any good. It makes it more grimdark to me, because Mankind COULD be winning, COULD be making a difference, but we're our own worst enemy.

>>96402589
It is well known that the Space Marine fag cries in pain as he strikes you.

>>96407893
This also includes you, Chaosfag, or are you gonna keep pretending your faction hasn't been shat over for almost two decades?

But i like my wizard-paladins in space :(
At least give me alternative then if you want took them from me

>>96405306
You are a literal moron and a liar.
I've been at this shit since the fucking 90s and things were fucking horrendous back then too.

GW never pushed anyone else except marine slop even back then. Fucking decades would pass before another major army, not obscure little faction got a new codex.

The fact that at some point GW was almost destroyed by its focus on marine slop and marine favoritism and thus were forced to come out with factions like, Custodes, genestealer cults, knights etc. and actual fucking AdMech Speaks volumes.

The GW of the early 2000s would never do anything like that. There was no space in the release schedule for anything other than marines.

Before all you morons keep shouting MEHREENS AR TEH BESTEST!!!! EVERYONE ELSE IS DRESSING!!!!

Keep in mind if your retardation allows, that this has been proven false time and again since the mid 2000s.
GW was done for and survived so far only because they gave codexes to obscure factions.
Marines are garbage and always have been from day one, you are just too invested in them to admit it.

>>96405614
Marines sell because they are forced fed to everyone. If you think that marines are as popular or even more popular than all the other factions put together, you are simply terminally delusional.

>>96410284
Tau.

>>96408028
What's the matter anon, you special marine boys are not the most special any more and that makes you mad ?

>>96410367
Too sci-fi for me, brother.

>>96410358
I would love to see any evidence of this being true anon

>>96405614
>RT marines were just as they are nowadays.
RT Marines weren't written about in absurd, worshipful terms. They were superlative soldiers (for the Imperium), but were still depicted getting wasted in brutal combat.

>marines sell because more people like them, so they get more stuff.
"I can't discern between what is good for the game and setting, and what is good for GW shareholders."

Also, wonderful contradiction here:
>The "game" is about space marines vs. everyone else, and always has been.
...
>Back in RT, they pushed orks or eldar as much as marines
Which way is it, you dumb bitch?

>>96406463
Retard.

>>96409693
40k isn't supposed to be heroic. Especially Marines; they're abominations of necessity.

The absolute state of nuhammer.

>>96417777
edit:
*perceived* necessity.

Lmao at the seething contrarian fanboy loser unable to deal with Space Marine supremacy, and cryng about daddy GW not pandering to him. Pathetic.

The LOTR, Gorkamorka or Sigmarine debacles were more than enough evidence that it doesn't matter if GW pushes hard other products. They've yet to find anything as well liked and successful as Marines. That has been the fact since 1987.

That's why Marines even got their own HH civil war prequel series and game after a decade of fans pushing for it, or why SM boxes sell out without fault all the time. Most people fucking love marines of all types.

Note also how the retard doesn't want to reveal his actual pet faction. High chance of him being of those terminally online eldar or IG schizos

>>96418855
But they're so boring
>Most people
Normies don't count as people

>>96418855
"Your" faction got squatted 8 years ago.

>>96418855
"Your" army got squatted 8 years ago.