Thread 96406762

Ten of Coins edition

>"New" Apocalyptic Subclasses UA: https://media.dndbeyond.com/compendium-images/ua/apocalyptic-subclasses/KKvJvHGmsJiNaafX/UA2025-ApocalypticSubclasses.pdf

>2024 PHB Scan (No more fingers edition)
https://files.catbox.moe/g8oo9h.pdf

>Cropped and rotated, but more artifacty
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>2024 DMG
https://files.catbox.moe/fd04pq.pdf

>2024 Monster Manual
https://files.catbox.moe/atd38s.pdf (D&D beyond version)
https://pomf2.lain.la/f/1en5qwum.pdf (scan, use at your own risk)

>2024 Official free rules
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/free-rules
>2014 Official Free Rules
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/basic-rules-2014

>2024 UA
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/ua

>2014 Errata
https://dnd.wizards.com/dndstudioblog/sage-advice-book-updates

>5etools (2024)
http://5e.tools
>5etools (2014)
https://2014.5e.tools/

>Trove
The Trove Vault (seed, please!): mega(dot)nz/folder/uktzzTAI#KfV-EWdhd15FhHNn5HndHg

>Resources:
https://pastebin.com/X1TFNxck

Previous thread
>>96377486

>TQ
Is there ever a point at which a character should retire and enjoy the loot they’ve obtained? Or is it an eternal treadmill where they adventure for more gold to take on even more dangerous dungeons? You don’t seriously adventure to save the world right? That’s so cringe.

>BTQ
Do you ever get a chance to playtest the UA content? Tell us about your experience.

any AI suggestions and/or tools to play alone? been trying chat gpt

>>96406808
Grok.

>TQ
Yes every PC that completes their goal of becoming a king/archmage/guildmaster or whatever should retire from adventuring. Then they can become the patrons that influence the next generation of PCs. Or even better you can run a Braunstein-like game when the patrons clash and the next generation of PCs can play in that conflict.

>>96406808
check the solo play thread, they might have other tools for you to mess with

>>96406808
The death knight’s squire gamebook is great for solo 5e adventures. There are many other 5e gamebooks by him too.

I find AI pretty mid for ttrpg things in general. At that point I might as well just go play a video game.

I know this isn't really the thread to look for homebrew, but has anyone ever come across something that could make a character that likes Two-Handers a bit more defense oriented?

I really hate how if you want to use any two hander, you get pigeonholed into into being a Striker/DPS and if you want to protect people you need to use shields.

>>96406808
Don't use AI, for Christ's sake. You're unironically better off just imagining yourself as both player and DM.

What classes/subclasses do you recommend if I want to play something that allows me to bomb and reduce my enemies to nuclear ash? or something like that
Thanks to the anon who recommended Draconic Sorcerer to me, I'm going to take a look at it.

>>96407094
What edition? I like going evocation wizard for sculpt spell fireballs.

I'm a punk rocker yes I am

>>96407048
Are you willing to brave the forbidden arts?

>>96407130
sorry pal, 2025 5.5e

>>96407141
Teach me sensei

Remember I got the digital copy of picrel since I liked the trailer for it. Dont care for the creators though
https://youtu.be/EPyTYU-4vZU?si=13bxuAhJEbqen--r

Its pretty meaty but the campaign is pretty linear and oddly filled with way more human characters than I expected in contrast to when the book was describing all the unique regions.
What I find funny and distracting is the sheer amount of ripoffs in it
>race of Ratmen that are totally not skaven down to guilds of wacky engineering, assassins and Plague monks
>4 major enemies are League of Legends characters. Straight up Fiddle Sticks, Dr. Mundo, Tahm Kench but alligator man instead of fish, Yorick but he looks like Thrall from Warcraft
>the monster from the 2017 horror movie The Ritual
>subclasses include the plague monk, Witch Hunter Paladin and Grave Guard for Fighter all from Warhammer fantasy, Alchemist from Full Metal Alchemist

Those are the ones I instantly noticed, probably more. I will do a campaign next month, I wonder if my group will notice

>>96407217
Play a Kender, use Taunt to give enemies Disadvantage when not attacking anyone who isn't you.
Go forth my son, and pilfer everyone's junk.

>>96407094
>>96407130
Wizards and Sorcerers are both good choices, depends on what feel you want in play.

Sorcerers are pretty locked in on their spell lists, only adding more and getting a swap at level up, but can freely use Metamagic and can use the Innate sorcery feature that ups Spell DC and gives advantage on all attack roll spells for a minute. Plus access to the Sorcerous Burst cantrip, which gives access to throwing seven energy types in one spell and if you roll an 8 on the D8, extra dice for each 8 rolled up to your CHA mod. Plus each subclass gets tool powers, like Flight wings for Draconic, or being able to turn off Adv/Disadv for targets in range for Clockwork.

Wizards get more flexibility, as they can learn more spells, commit them to a spellbook, and then choose which to prepare each day, and can focus skills into one of the schools of magic.

>>96406762 (OP)
>tried necromancer 2024 UA
>grim harvest
Starts stronger but scales worse
(Blight granting 9hp vs 12)
Ability to grant it to other people makes it a fair bit more flexible
Resistance to necrotic is super niche but nice to have

>undead thrall/grim power
Single handedly ruins the appeal of necromancer for me
One additional skelly per cast of animate dead + more hp per skelly vs one free cast of summon undead with half hitpoints and ignoring necrotic resistance

From a gameplay perspective, i can understand limiting minions to just 1 extra, and making your necrotic laser beams more consistent isnt that bad, but most people find being the minion master with an army of darkness to be the definitive necromancer over just a guy that shoots green rays of death and a single ghost
Skeleton army was always a headache for the DM, so they just gave up

>inured to death vs undeas secrets
Straight buff at level 10
Resistance to necrotic at a much later level compared to insurance against enemies focusing on the caster
Reducing max hp was situatuonal in 2014, so no one is gonna miss immunity to it

>command undead vs deaths master
2024 givea your undead horde free temp hp, which sounds good, but 2014 just gave higher base HP back at level 6
Advantage on attack rolls or saving throws for one turn helps make your baseline skeletons useful against high CR threats, but its only one turn out of a 24 hour day

Command undead let you temporarily steal someone elses undead, which could be really useless or way too strong depending on what the DM brought today

>TLDR
Necromancer has more focus on consistency and a slight dip in support
But loses out on the main thematic draw of being lord of undead

Most certainly a result of necromancy being C-tier in 2014 while also making it a headache for the the DM
>townsfolk run in terror when necromancer rolls in to town
>make 8 attack rolls every time the skeletons attack
>make saving throws for every single skeleton

Aside from throwing, what techniques could be introduced to grappling?

>>96406808
This is how it ends

What happened to all the people who used to post in this thread/on this board? I know the hack was a big deal but I thought the site would bounce back, >you're here forever and all that jazz. But this place is a ghost town.

>>96407577
You got used to the covid bubble

>>96407577
What's there to post about, anon? Wizards hasn't even dropped the newest starter adventure yet, and odds are that new sourcebooks will just recycle 5e content. Given their rate of release, they probably won't even have to think about new stuff for the next five years.

>>96407577
>What happened to all the people who used to post in this thread/on this board? I know the hack was a big deal but I thought the site would bounce back, >you're here forever and all that jazz. But this place is a ghost town.
because this game is garbage and dead
everyone playing it has been hating the stupidity for 10 years and after a whole year of "something better is coming" they end up making 2 steps back for every step forward. And it's very clear their plans moving forward are to release more garbage whose sole purpose is to exist as DLC/skin packs for their walled garden vtt. You wanna play a psion? it's really just a wizard with a different name, but in our walled garden where you can only use licensed shit, $4.99 to play that class skin!

>>96407641
I think you're a year out of date, buddy. They took away the ability to buy specific chunks of books from Beyond instead of "you have to buy the entire book," and the VTT crashed and burned.

>>96407577
Honestly the hack wasn’t so bad for the user base, sorry to the mods and jannies who got doxxed or whatever happened. It’s proven this place is a honey pot for the transphobes and white supremacists. You’re just seeing what it’s like without the worst cunts who came here.

>>96407525
rape

>>96407616
you were right

>>96407682
This has already been accounted for.

>>96407616
>>96407607
True but people are still playing 5e. There's always stuff to discuss as far as characters go, bitching about tables, telling stories, etc. Even when people no longer have thread long meltdowns about the "new" class balance.

>>96407641
Was it really that bad? I stopped following dnd entirely after my game imploded, so far my impression of the new rules is along the lines of why does this exist?

>>96407641
5e is a slate on which to build your own version with house rules. This is their original intent but their implementation leaves a lot to be desired. The community and third party publishers are what make 5e worthwhile. Now fuck off to your own general you cunt.

>>96407708
Then talk about your game. Anything interesting happen that we would care about?

What is best for a dps paladin background
Soldier (savage attacker)
Guard (alert)
i will be using heavy armor so my dex will be only 10

>>96408392
what about you help anon with his question instead of being pedantic about his terminology
he clearly meant dpr and the idea is transmitted regardless
>>96408344
sorry i haven't touched '24 yet so i can't give an answer

making a dpr paladin is dumb
just make a nova or a tank

>>96408429
>nova

>>96408344
savage attacker is the only origin feat to directly increase damage
alert is universally good
so you are actually fine

you could take lucky instead of alert, which lets you get free advantage prof bonus times per day long rest (or give enemies disadvantage)
if you dont mind going last, lucky can improve your tankiness at clutch moments

>>96408454
I keep seeing this skibidi zoomer term pop up and all I think of is cyberpunk slanguage
People really way to reinvent the wheel to feel important

>>96407436
Use Archlich’s Necromancer rework

>>96406808
Try AIDungeon

>>96407048
Just steal Shield of Swings from Pathfinder. At the start of your turn you can do half damage with your melee strikes with a two handed sword. If you do you get +4 AC. Maybe drop it to +2 for 5e. It'd be kinda shit especially cause that'd make it worse than sword and shield (anyone who says "sword and b*ard" is a subhuman homosexual) but you could probably make it work somehow by adjusting the damage penalty from half to make just -2.

Honestly though I'm still believing I'm entitled to a combat expertise feat that lets me take -2 to hit for +2 AC but WotC is scared of static bonuses....unless of course they can't think of anything else, then its ok.

continuing some more lightning spells

>level 4
>static shield
>1 minute, concentration
>V,S,A
>causes electrical bolts to arc from the castert towards anything around them
>when cast, all creatures within 15 feet of the caster must make a dexterity saving throw
>on a failed save they take 6d8 lightning damage or half that amount on a failed saving throw
>any creature that ends its turn or the first time it enters the radius of the spell, it must make dexterity saving throw or take 4d8 damage lightning damage
>when upcast, increase the lightning damage of the initial cast and each subsequent turn by d8

>level 5
>electric touch
>V,A
>you rub your hands together and sparks burst from your finger tips
>make a ranged magic attack, on a hit, the target takes 8d8 damage
>if you deal at least 1 point of lightning damage with this spell, you may cast it again on your next turn without expending a spell slot, rolling 1 less d8 than the last hit

>>96408454
>>96408531
Nova isn't a zoomer term, retards. It's from Champions. Dates back to at least 2013 in D&D (cite: https://dnd4.fandom.com/wiki/Nova?oldid=10056 ), and even further back in other TTRPGs - here's someone using it in 2003: https://www.herogames.com/forums/topic/7991-buffing-up-the-champions/#comment-213808 , with the modern meaning.

The etymology is via the Human Torch's nova flame (a high intensity blast that he can't maintain long) -> Champions parlance (as it is a superhero game where you can make such powers) -> filtering down to D&D-playing subhumans like yourselves. Not everything you heard of for the first time recently is new, you retarded apes.

Why play any class but a full caster? No smartass replies.

Can i use the blink spell to escape the minimus containment version of the imprisonment spell? Imprisonment explicitly blocks teleportation but not planar travel.

first time looking at the new phb... i have to say I am not impressed with the art. disappointing as the art direction is my favorite part of the original 5e books.

except this elf warlock. i want to cum on her feet.

>>96410437
>the art direction is my favorite part of the original 5e books.
truly it is Rome falling

>>96410437
>>96410515
Had a session Saturday saturday and our campaign is 5.5, during the break I decided to go through the DM's 3.5 book just to look at the artwork, it's ridiculous how much it has changed.

>>96410515
That's a good painting. Expressive and realistic, with a tasteful earth toned color palette.

>>96410241
It gets you out, but you're still smol.

>>96410568
>>96410766
The tasteless, flavorless digital art style of 5.5e fits well with its design goal of being a tasteless, flavorless, system.

>>96410437
Damn what a baddie, I will now buy your book

>No anon, you can't play caster until you play a hybrid meelee/caster class.
*sigh* What paladin subclass would you recommend to a newbie who only has a couple of sessions? I heard that Oath of Vengeance does a lot of damage.

>>96410944
I enjoy playing 5.5, I just think that the art is disgusting.

>>96411370
>No anon, you can't play caster until you play a hybrid melee/caster class.
But why?

>No anon, you can't play caster until you play a hybrid melee/caster class.
*sigh* What paladin subclass would you recommend to a newbie who only has a couple of sessions? (5.5e) forgot to put the edition
>>96411415
I don't know, I guess my GM wants me to get at least some experience before going full caster. He can be very inflexible on some things.

>>96411437
Vengence. You’ll be using your spell slots for smite anyways.

>>96410839
Fucking kek'ed.

>>96411437
Do you know if the game will be more roleplay, or more combat? Paladin slaps in heavy combat but the roleplay can be a bit tricky/limited for a noob depending on your oath and your party.

5.5e ranger is not a great class, but it still is a jack of all trades and has utility. Or if he'll let you, 2014 Artificer can be a ton of fun.

>>96411406
Plenty of people enjoy eating oatmeal, doesn't mean it's richly flavorful.

>>96412353
add grass fed whole milk, cane sugar, blueberries, and bananas and that shit is pretty lit. (in this instance, the toppings are homebrew)

I will also flick my nutsack as an apology for continuing the food analogy

ok i regret flicking my nutsack

>>96412439
Bigby…

>>96407577
You're on a dead board on a dead thread. Other places are still thriving. Even katawa shoujo general on /vg/ is still alive..

>>96412285
>Do you know if the game will be more roleplay, or more combat?
I would say 50/50, although the GM actually advised me to avoid the paladin and warlock because the roleplay would be complicated for a novice.
>Or if he'll let you, 2014 Artificer can be a ton of fun.
We're making 5.5, and the GM doesn't want us to use subclasses or classes that haven't been released in 5.5 yet.
>5.5e ranger is not a great class, but it still is a jack of all trades and has utility
This actually caught my attention a bit. I was thinking about starting with Barbarian or Ranger, but ended up choosing Barbarian (I'm not going to lie, I love being a meat grinder).
Any tips for Ranger? Like what subclass for a nob or weapons?

>>96412285
>Do you know if the game will be more roleplay, or more combat?
ROLEPLAY IS ALL TIME
YOU RP DURING COMBAT ENCOUNTERS
YOU RP DURING SOCIAL ENCOUNTERS
YOU RP DURING EXPLORATION ENCOUNTERS
YOU DONT SUDDENLY STOP PLAYING A CHARACTER BECAUSE INITIATIVE IS ROLLED

Any ideas for a build that has high saving throws and deals good damage? Playing a high level campaign from 12-16 and would prefer not to get destroyed by INT saves which leave me stunned for an entire encounter. Not the biggest fan of wizard so something else would be preferred.

>>96407577
I moved at the beginning of August and that's been eating up most of my time. Haven't even gotten any work on the Bullshit done in over a month.

>>96412939
Ranger isn't weak, it's just boring and not well put together mechanically or thematically, especially compared to paladin or warlock.

>beeg damage
DEX main
>weapon mastery: doesn't matter
subclass: hunter with colossus slayer
its 1d8 with no action required, only that the target not be at full health, hunter's mark makes it another 1d6 for one big attack that is something like 1d6+2d8+dex
>lots of damage
There are two ways to do lots of damage

>DEX main
>subclass: doesn't matter
>fighting style: two weapon fighting
>weapon mastery: nick, scimitar
you get an action attack and an extra attack with your nick weapon using the same action, both attacks on the same target with hunter's mark is 4d6+(double dex)
>4th level feat: dual wielder
you can now make an extra attack with your bonus action for three attacks that each deal 1d6+dex, if that target has hunter's mark already, like a boss, that's 6d6+triple dex
>5th level, extra attack
you get another attack, that makes 4 attacks, you get the deal.

The other is a STRranger.
>STR main
>weapon mastery, great axe for cleave
>subclass: hunter, taking horde breaker
you get one melee attack if another enemy is nearby, you make a horde breaker attack agaisnt that other enemy, then you cna make a weapon mastery cleave against teh first target, making 2 attacks for 1d12+STR and a third for 1d12,
>4th level: great weapon master
if you kill something, or get a crit, you get a bonus action attack for 4 possible attacks
>5th level, extra attack
five possible attacks, four dealing 1d12+STR, and a 5th for 1d12/ but this requires enemies near each other. you can carry a war hammer with you in case you need to push targets close to each other.

>>96413132
Psi warrior.

>>96412939
Also, Beastmaster is actually viable now that you can use your BA to have your pet attack instead of using your Action for that, and it's a magical summon so it dying isn't a big deal.

I see you stagger in the streets

>>96413269
I don't know if Aasimar is a good race for a ranger, but from what I'm seeing it seems very good: self-healing (Healing Hands), resistances and Celestial Revelation seems pretty strong if I save it for a final fight or an emergency (flying, aoe and the Frightened condition)

>>96413129
Some people definitely do when they treat their character like a game piece with a statblock stapled to it more than they do a person attempting to overcome a challenge.

>>96413915
I unironically found that running theatre of the mind stops people from doing that as much

>>96413129
come on sister you know what I mean

>>96413198
Should I use my bow until the enemies get closer?

>>96414539
Depends if you want to be safe or do more damage.

Also, you have a lot of spells that have utility, and due to 2024, you now have ritual casting, so you can ritual cast a lot of the spells a ranger would find useful like locate object, speak with animals etc. so take those spells.

tehgreen spells are spells you get as a ranger, the yellow spells are only available if you take the magic initate feats from your background.

>wizard
can get you the shield spell and find familiar, which gives you a non combat pet who can scout for you, like an owl or hawk.
>druid
purify food and drink, the guidance cantrip, and another useful spell like fog cloud
>cleric
if you want to have some tie in your background to a god, or maybe be some kind of monster slayer, ceremony lets you craft holy water to fight off fiends and undead. they also get guidance.

>>96414539
>Should I use my bow until the enemies get closer?
>Why won't my DM let me pay a full caster as a new player?
No offense, but I think the DM is in the right for having you play a half caster first.
Someone post it.

>>96414571
>you now have ritual casting, so you can ritual cast a lot of the spells a ranger would find useful like locate object, speak with animals etc. so take those spells.
very interesting, it will be helpful
>Depends if you want to be safe or do more damage.
I see, its just that if I go into melee mode I put myself at a high risk of attacks that can take out my concentration spells and I don't have much hp, neither

>>96412939
>>96413671
I would focus on creating a backstory that brings you to the campaign and understanding what your character's motivations are. I get that focusing on mechanics is exciting as a new player, but there is more to the game than that. Having a character who can get narratively hooked into the adventure is a lot more engaging than being a snowflake race able to heal an ally or set someone on fire just because a gooner angel/fiend creampied your slut of a great grandmother.

>>96414634
>I see, its just that if I go into melee mode I put myself at a high risk of attacks that can take out my concentration spells
Yep. But that's not really an issue, your spells aren't that good, and you're going to spend your action attacking. You get free casts of hunter's mark as well so you're not losing spell slots for losing concentration.
>and I don't have much hp, neither
Did you roll bad for ability scores adn HP or something? barbs have a d12 hit die, fighters, paladins, and rangers tie for 2nd at a d10, then bards, clerics, monks, rogues and warlocks with a d8. and they wizards and sorcerers have a d6

You should be on the higher side for HP on your group.

*sigh* Okay, Lord Gamemaster. I'm already having fun playing games and getting into the story pretty well. It's just that now I'm in a different mode, figuring out how to play a class I've never played.

>>96414679
It's Lord Dungeon Master to you. Now get on your knees and suck it.

>>96414671
>>96414671
>You should be on the higher side for HP on your group.
I see, my bad
>Yep. But that's not really an issue, your spells aren't that good, and you're going to spend your action attacking. You get free casts of hunter's mark as well so you're not losing spell slots for losing concentration.
Yeah, I was thinking about that. I was just focusing a lot on the Mark of Hunter, but it doesn't matter much if I lose it + I can use it for free twice at level 3. it doesn't seem so bad when you put it that way.
For now, the Ranger is much more Meelee than I expected. In my mind, I pictured him as a guy with a bow and shooting explosive arrows, lol.
I'm really liking the ranger's versatility: spells, rituals, capable of fighting at long and short distances.

>Put my character in the DM's obvious character killing machine
>Roll 2 nat 20's
>Character comes out fine and iz now 5 levels higher than the rest of the party
You lose every gamble you don't take

>>96414705
Weapon mastery is pretty important. You get two.

>Shortbow: Vex, d6
if you hit, your next attack has advantage, which means you're rolling 2 d20s and taking the higher roll. It massively increases your odds of hitting and even getting a critical hit. And your hit that had advantage also make the next attack have advantage.
>Longbow: slow, d8
It lets you control enemy speed by reducing it by 10ft. If every enemy has 20 speed and you have 30, an enemy is never gonna catch you or your allies they can dash to get to you, but that means they spend their action moving instead of attacking and it's also one of the strongest ranged weapons
>sling: slow
The same as before, but this is bludgeoning instead of piercing which seldom matters, but it could.
>Heavy crossbow: push, d10
You need a feat to be able to make more than one attack per turn (not relevant till lvl 5), you can ask your DM to explain more about that, but being able to push an enemy is great, you can knock people away from you, push them away from allies, push people off of towers or over railings etc. and it deals the most damage of any ranged simple or martial weapon aside from fire arms.


With the colossus hunter ranger
>attack1: d10+d8+d6+dex
>attack2: d10+d6+dex
If you wanna be super versatile, take heavy crossbow for a weapon mastery, and scimitar with the archery fighting style.


>fire your crossbow as a main
>if an enemy comes into melee with you you can either blast people away with push and retreat
>or mark them with hunter's mark and make two attacks for 4d6+dex, more if you have colossus slayer

Does this seem too boring?

>all mass summons create an aoe that you can move as a BA
>forces a save 1/turn when a creautre enters or ends its turn there, or the aoe ents their space
>conjure animals does BPS, and the target is prone
>animate dead does necrotic, and the target is frightened for 1 round
>woodland beings does psychic, and the target is charmed and confused (as Confusion) for 1 round
>minor elementals does acid, cold, fire, lightning, or thunder, and the effect is based on the damage
>Acid: blinded for 1 round
>Cold: speed halved for 1 round
>Fire: burning (as alchemist's fire) for 1 minute
>Lightning: dazed (as mind whip) for 1 round
>Thunder: deafened and can't take reactions for 1 minute (save ends)
>giant insects does acid, piercing or poison. Enemies in the area are blinded, and can't take actions with their voice
>animate objects deals BPS, and the creature is restrained for 1 minute (save ends). Allies in the area have a hover speed, and you can move them when you move the aoe

>>96414861
Just use 2024 bro.

>>96414865
I hate how the 2024 ones are implemented. they're practically nonsensical

>>96406762 (OP)
Are there native planars for each of the 17 outer planes? (devils for hell, archons for mt celestial, etc) Are some of the outer planes “unclaimed” by any planar species? So far I’ve got this list down, but it’s woefully incomplete:

>Mechanus: Modrons
>Arcadia: ?
>Mt. Celestia: Archons
>Bytopia: ?
>Elysium: Guardinals
>Beastlands: Animal Lords
>Arborea: Eladrin?
>Ysgard: Valkyries
>Limbo: Slaadi
>Pandemonium:
>Abyss: Demons
>Carceri: Demodands
>Hades: ?
>Gehenna: Daemons
>Hell: Devils
>Acheron: ?
>Outlands: Dabus?

What's the point with the Thief's bonus action use item if anyone can anyone use throwable items by foregoing an attack now? "just wait til lvl 13 bro, that's when the thief comes online, nevermind that by then the campaign is over, but you can pretend to use any item in your head" ok thx bros

The classic archetype deserves better.

>>96415068
I believe this was always something you could do with 5e 2014 fast hands as well? Doesn't make the feature completely useless if your dm hands you magic items with activate. Being able to be the only guy who can throw stuff as a bonus was the main appeal though, wish they'd gotten something more to compensate for it.

>>96415096
>I believe this was always something you could do with 5e 2014 fast hands as well?
No, that was explicitly and deliberately not the case.
>Doesn't make the feature completely useless if your dm hands you magic items with activate.
The new version of the thief's fast hands makes it clear they can use magic items as a bonus action, like scrolls and wands.
>Being able to be the only guy who can throw stuff as a bonus was the main appeal though, wish they'd gotten something more to compensate for it.
Yes, being able to use magic items as a bonus action.

>>96415050
Thief should have been part of the core class.

>>96415130
well shit, I stand corrected, this is actually pretty decent if your dm gives out loot then. If the dm gives you opportunities to steal mundane items from enemies like potions and stuff in combinatjon with getting some magic items throughout adventures this subclass could be decent, and at a realistic level too,

>>96415182
thief and champion are both good :)

>>96415050
>The classic archetype deserves better.
I want a blue mage spell thief. Closest thing we get is a lvl 17 (!) ability for AT that will never get used by anyone.

>>96415225
useless unless dm uses spellcasters, stealing monster abiltiies is too op and finicky rip.thus why it's a lvl 17 ability

>>96414861
I just introduced a houserule in 2014 that a character can only have up to 4 conjured/controlled entities in combat, never had any issues ever since

>>96414769
>at lvl 3
2d6 (weapon) + 2d6 (Hunter's Mark) + 1d8 (colossus slayer) + (double DEX)
>at lvl 4
3d6+ (3 dex) + 3d6 (hunter mark) + 1d8 + (colossus) + (triple dex)
>at lvl 5
(Attack 1: 3d6+ (3 dex) + 3d6 (hunter mark) + 1d8 + (colossus) + (triple dex)
Attack 2: 1d6 (weapon) + 1d6 (Hunter's Mark) + 1d8 (colossus slayer) + (DEX)
perfect, it was a great help

>>96414769
>at lvl 3
2d6 (weapon) + 2d6 (Hunter's Mark) + 1d8 (colossus slayer) + (double DEX)
>at lvl 4
3d6+ (3 dex) + 3d6 (hunter mark) + 1d8 + (colossus) + (triple dex)
>at lvl 5
(Attack 1: 3d6 (weapon) + 3d6 (hunter mark) + 1d8 + (colossus) + (triple dex)
Attack 2: 1d6 (weapon) + 1d6 (Hunter's Mark) + 1d8 (colossus slayer) + (DEX)
perfect, it was a great help

>>96414769
So for level 3 it would be something like this with a scimitar and a short sword.
Attack: 2d6 (weapon) + 2d6 (Hunter's Mark) + 1d8 (colossus slayer) + (double DEX)
>Level 4
Attack: 3d6 (weapon) + 3d6 (hunter mark) + 1d8 + (colossus) + (triple dex)
>Level 5
Attack: 3d6 (weapon) + 3d6 (hunter mark) + 1d8 + (colossus) + (triple dex)
Attack 2: 1d6 (weapon) + 1d6 (Hunter's Mark) + 1d8 (colossus slayer) + (dex)
If so, then I should now focus on utility spells, especially those that can be used in ritual.

Thoughts on laserllama's ranger?

https://www.gmbinder.com/share/-M7iu19Af89SH2G_5RGa

Are gnomes honorary elves or honorary dwarves?

>>96416650
Clearly the forest gnomes are elves, the rock gnomes are dwarves, and the deep gnomes are drow

>>96416650
Gnomes are honorary badgers at most

>>96416650
They're fellow Feywild refugees, so closer to Elves.

Similar to how Humans and Halflings are related.

>>96417717
Humans should be called Doublings.

I just got the 2024 PHB and damn its disappointing. Most of the art is so bad I'd rather just have the plaintext lol. Why is WOTC like this?

>>96418064
bro why would you buy before you try. it's in the fucking op

>>96418130
I can just return it anyway and I prefer reading a physical book

>>96418151
I get that as I'm also a physicalfag, but I can't imagine giving wotc money for such an underwhelming update to the system.

>Fighter is the bacon of D&D Classes
>Works well with most classes and generally only helps them
>Easy to Multiclass into- needs 13 STR or 13 DEX
>1 Level Out of Fighter = CON Save Prof, All Armor Profs, Shield Prof, Fighting Style, All Weapon Profs, Second Wind (x2), Weapon Masteries (x3), d10 Hit Dice
>1 Level Into Fighter: Light and Medium Armor Profs, Shield Prof, Fighting Style, All Weapon Profs, Second Wind (x2), Weapon Masteries (x3), d10 Hit Dice
>2 Levels gives you Action Surge (Second action once per SR is fantastic) and Tactical Mind (great for skills)
Join the Fighter army today!

>>96418283
>multiclass slop
no thank you

>>96418166
Oh this was supposed to be my first PHB, I just got into DnD 2 weeks ago playing the Essentials Kit with some friends.

I'm kinda on the fence in the sense that I'm already someone who likes collecting books, and I could've seen myself collecting tons of DnD shit, but I'm starting to feel that maybe like the DnD system but not really the aesthetic if you know what I mean? The steampunk stuff, the all-hold-hands-around-the-rainbow kind of art, etc.

When I started reading up on DnD I thought it was kinda cringe that the game is played with so many house rules and homebrewed stuff; if you have to make so many changes to the game, is it even a good game? But I think I'm starting to get it now. The DnD rules seem to create a game that's not really about anything but which you can use to do whatever you want, so you just have to homebrew and houserule yourself to the playstyle, story and aesthetic you like.

In a way though I wish I was more of a normie who could just buy all the books and be happy, you know?

>>96418640
5e is fun because you can make it a lot of things. It's popular and there are a lot of resources available. It also dominates the Youtube scene, and people covering other games are left in the dust. It's somewhat simple for the more casual player, but it also has just enough teeth for autists to dig into. The system itself has a lot of flaws which have been discussed to death, and the 2024 "refresh" has been very controversial among the community.

The biggest danger of getting into DND 5e with friends is that once people take the time to actually learn the system, they get complacent and don't want to branch out to other TTRPGs.

If you don't like the art direction of the new book, you could pick up the 2014 copies. You can get these gift sets used for $80-100 usually. The only issue being some of these books are of dubious value, I'm not a huge fan of the DMG or Xanathar's. And the new monster manual will be cleaning up some of the issues with the old one, supposedly.

https://dndstore.wizards.com/us/en/product/770152/2014-core-rulebook-gift-set-digital-plus-physical-bundle
https://marketplace.dndbeyond.com/expanded-rules/C9939000?pid=C9939000