Thread 96410864

Tau are Warhammers Best Faction.
I think they are very cool, I wish they got more love and lore. I really dont understand what about them makes the community hate them outside decade old memes.

>>96410864 (OP)
>(Mk. X) power-armor wearing (fat) finger typed this post

>>96410864 (OP)
>Primarishit hands typed this post

warhammer?

>>96410864 (OP)
Literally kill yourself, please. Physically end your earthly existence, shuffle off your mortal coil and spare everyone your posting.

>>96410864 (OP)
>Why don't people like noblebright anime mechs in their grimdark techo-gothic setting?

You are a fucking retard.

>>96412139
>falling for obvious bat

>>96412139
>falling for obvious bait

>>96410864 (OP)
I think fundamentally Tau are like inserting a completely different kind of thing into Warhammer 40000

If you take that as it is then they become a kind of fun way to interject something fresh, new and different into the setting

That's why I think Tau Astartes should be a thing come 11th edition, imagine the money we would make selling even more space marines but for a new faction

>>96412355
>Tau Astartes

>>96410864 (OP)
*worst

>>96412139
Indian-tier IQ take. The contrast is precisely why they're interesting in 40K.
>noblebright
Nobledark at their kindest. They attempt to do the right thing, and usually wind up suffering just as much as everybody else for it.

>>96412355
Tau Astartes should exist but should have no special rules
Just gussy up your marines and guardsmen as Gue’vesa auxiliaries and have done

>>96412677
Looks lame

>>96410864 (OP)
They were cool before they were whitewashed

>>96412573
tau used to be able to take Gue’vesa but GW sloppified every faction cause no fun allowed

>>96410864 (OP)
I dunno, ask /40kg/

>>96410864 (OP)
Neck yourself.

This bait again...

>>96412873
Cram it, poofter!

Good shootas, no choppas.
4/10 not Gorky enuff

>>96410864 (OP)
Fehervari's Dark Coil stories have bumped up tau significantly in my eyes. There's a lot of fun stuff to do with them. The fact that they're generally sane and not as kill-on-sight as chaos, orks, and tyranids tend to be allows for a lot of fun tau/imperium interactions. They're also a lot more down-to-earth than eldar when it comes to interspecies interactions. My favorites (in order):

>Fire Caste (novel)
Tau/guard with sprinkles of mechanicus and chaos. Primarily a guard book but with a couple different Tau POVs. There's lots of interactions between humans and tau, both with the actual imperial guardsmen themselves and with the side-switching human (and abhuman) janissaries. Chaos makes a big appearance near the end (like it always seems to) and Tau are, as ever, unprepared. There's a particular string of interactions between a tau interrogator and his guardsman prisoner which touches on how tau see chaos, which plays into why they have so much trouble dealing with it. Tons of fun.

>Sanctuary of Wyrms (short story)
Tau exploratory team investigates ancient abandoned human structure. Tyranids and deathwatch feature. Showcases that humans and tau, despite fearing and misunderstanding each-other, at least recognize that tyranids are total fuckers.

>The Greater Evil (short story)
Tau follow up on a lead in a human mining facility that one of their agents has lead them to believe has been prepped to induction into The Greater Good. Surprise, it's gene stealers! Everything goes to hell immediately as the tau and remaining humans try to survive and get off the rig.

I was never a big fan of them before those books, and I actually only started the Dark Coil stuff because of a Night Lord short story somebody linked on /tg/ but his tau material is probably my favorite.

>>96412139
By same logic you would also hate the Eldar, the Necrons, Tyranids and the Orks, because none of them fit the "techno-gothic" aesthetic.

>>96410986
>kill yourself over small plastic soldiers
What is it that makes 40kucks like this? Are they fucked from the beginning or does the constant ass reaming they take from GW eventually turn them into hostile retards?

>>96412993
Correct. Abhor the alien.

>>96412996
it's amazing how GW gets them to fight each other over which line of GW minis is the best instead of boycotting GW for a different company altogether.

>>96410864 (OP)
Me when I was a kid and a friend showed me Warhammer for the 1st time:
>Damn, I'm going to play the Tau, they have big mechs like in Gundam Wing and I love their armors and guns!
>see what a Tau looks like under his armor
>...
>see that half their army is filled with krootshit
>...
>Yeah, nevermind, I'm picking the Terminecrons

>>96410864 (OP)
Tau is like the bad end faction. Their best lore primarily focuses on them naively venturing out into the wider galaxy and falling victim to the worst horrors imaginable.

>>96410864 (OP)
KHANNED.CUM

>>96410864 (OP)
I don't hate tau
I fucking hate tau fanboys and coomers

>>96414412
I don't hate tau fanboys and coomers
I hate the tau

>>96410864 (OP)
>Best Faction
>lore
>I really dont understand
It's not the Tau, it's you. If you were a Space Marine fanboy you'd be wondering why everyone hates Space Marines

>>96410864 (OP)
Does it matter what will happen with Tau in the universe, so far gone into wokeness & retcon'ish shit?

I hope that another Beast shows up and curb stomps the Tau. I hope that any Tau that didn't have the dignity to die fighting are taken as cattle where they are regularly abused. I hope that any Tau young are thrown into pits with squigs where they'll be ripped apart and the last thing they'll hear is the hooting and hollering of a retarded mob of Orks

>>96415826
Farsight exists and he will get a phyrric victory wich changes nothing for the better no matter who he fights

>>96416815
>>96415826
All storyshitting is terrible. "Advancing the Plot!!1!" was always a mistake.

>>96413455
>>Yeah, nevermind, I'm picking the Terminecrons
You mean inferior version of Tomb Kings?

>>96412139
>40K
>Grimdark
Anon, it's been nobledark for a while now, and because GW wanted to super pander to SMfags of all players.

>>96417797
[pic]
Absolutely disgusting.

Insult GW. Deride 40k players. Inspire antipathy.

>>96414348
Dark Eldar Cultural exchange story is my favorite.

>>96417797
You see, anon, what you need to understand is that SMfags are the lowest of the low. Not Taufags, not Eldarfags, not Cuntstodesfags... SMfags. The Smfag will always cry in pain as he strikes you, which in his case translates to project every single faggotry he commits to any other faction.
I don't hate Space Marines, they're fucking awesome, but their fans are the single worst aspect of the franchise, and their massive sperging is what has driven GW to make shit like Primaris and reviving the Primarchs (read: Avengers), which in turn has made the setting noblebright because how can you keep it grimdark when these super infallible in shining armor led by their Superman leader are the face of the franchise?
Death to the SMfag.

>>96417908
All of that is true, but-
>not Cuntstodesfags

Custodesfags *are* SMfags.

40k coolness: Orks >= Astra Militarum >> everything else >>>>>>>> elffags

>>96417553
advancing the plot isnt a mistake the problem is BL fags cant write to save their life.

>>96418076
guardfag detected

>>96418411
Even if you don't have shit writers (won't happen), advancing the plot of a tabletop game's setting will have one of two outcomes:

- Pulling the rug from under players' feet by altering and invalidating the setting they bought into

- creating a zero-stakes, no-drama story that doesn't take away anything

>>96418602
In other words: storyfags deserve the rope

>>96410864 (OP)
I dont care much for how their armor, tanks, and mechs look. They would be more interesting if there was a greater focus on how they're an adhoc xeno alliance faction that merely exists because as individual species, they dont have a chance of survival. Instead its all baseline Tau fan-wanking with maybe some passing mention of how vespids, kroot, or a couple Sslyth helped in the background

>>96417553
>Farsight
>advancing the plot
Even his new book doesnt advance jackshit he got the everything happens all at once with no real time progress narrative down to a T

>>96417943
Not wrong, but I feel many still try to separate them.

>>96410864 (OP)
tau used to be cool then GW pandering to battle suit wank, all but abandoned the concept of them having tons of lesser xenos allies and then the final nail in the coffin, stopped using the kino tau sect scheme
most of the people that play tau don't actually appreciate real tau kino, its just anime tard that like gundam and have porn addictions
taufags ruined tau

orange camo hammerhead is peak tau

>>96410864 (OP)
Tau is the warhammer faction for people who don't like warhammer. It's ingenious, really.

>>96417553
This. The Beast was a funking terrible idea too. It comes from the same lack of restraint that brought us centurions.

>>96412996
>What is it that makes 40kucks like this?
Same issue with MtG players.

>>96424636
autism and corporate serfdom?

>>96424377
>faction for people who don't like
You sound oddly fammiliar

>>96410864 (OP)
The problem with the Tau is that it's like somebody made a modern wargame with six of the most powerful countries in the world and then decided to add Singapore as a seventh.
They have no way of winning the game, at most they can maybe defend their land, why are they here?

>>96425585
Realistically: Sell more models with different designs to appeal to a different audience

Flavorwise: They are the "idealistic" faction in a setting where evil is real and will eat and destroy your mind if given the chance and seeing them struggle with that realizations as they try to remain idealistic is the point narratively.

>>96425640
Realistically: They're one of the worst selling factions and always have been.

Flavorwise: They're pointless losers who will never effect the plot in a meaningful way.

>>96410864 (OP)
Tau are based

>>96425585
I like the idea of smaller factions existing and being playable. For instance: the Dark Eldar aren't an existential threat to all life, they are just one of many threats in the setting. The Tau could be like that, but GW is dead set on not letting them leave their little time-out corner (no, a minor foothold on the far side of a wormhole doesn't really count). If some big throw-down happens anywhere in the galaxy, other than the eastern fringe, Tau players can bet that their faction will have nothing to do with it. That's boring. Even the Kroot are more widespread than the Tau Empire as a whole.

>>96427543

They have wasted a good opportunity. They have given them various FTL options, some of which could allow them to reach any corner of the galaxy. They have the opportunity to even have a full lost sphere and yet they didn't do anything except make edgy T'au. There's no shortage of ways for multiple T'au groups ending up on the other side of the galaxy and establish a foothold here and there. Between the chaos going on in the galaxy and the level of automation and science in their power, it should be possible for T'au sept being formed outside the empire proper. They could make interesting scenarios were lost and desperate T'au colonies are forced to take extreme measure to survive alone, be it mass clonation to swell their numbers, strip mining the planets in the system with swarms of mining drones, putting their trust in unshackled and rampant AI advisors, or radically compromise or even abandon their Greater Good philosophy and engage in piracy, raiding, slavery, terror bombing etc.

>>96427623
I think being labeled "the young upstarts" makes writers feel like they can't give them much of a presence in the galaxy. Kind of the same way the Eldar have to be keep taking L's because they are "the dying race".

>>96410864 (OP)
No joke I hate you on an ontological level. I feel in a past life we fought on opposing sides of a war and I had captured and slowly killed you. Before in the name of my lord whatever it was now i wish to do so because your words. I am the number one tau hater in the world I hate those blue water buffalo more than any cannon character.

I love the Tau, and it was the faction that called out to me back when I was a teeny in the 2000s because the premise was cool. The coalition of aliens at the backwater of the galaxy, which had a morally gray disposition, and is the faction that is usually reserved for humans in all sci-fi fiction, but was given to the "young hopefuls" alien race. It was also great that it also the other faction with humans who want to join in with them and escape the hellish dogshit life in the Imperium and fight along with estranged aliens. It was also the faction with a lot of potential to kitbash in terms of the auxiliary alens and make an even bigger impact on the idea of MY DUDES. But I feel like GW has been absolutely slacking on them and completely "missed opportunity" with them.

GW has no blithering fucking idea of what the fuck they are doing both in keeping the universe together and in entirely focusing on appeasing Imperigay autists (the kind of faggots we all make fun of in a lot of 40K fan skits) far too many times instead of touching on the other factions.

>>96427812
>entirely focusing on appeasing Imperigay autists
GW doesn't care about the Imperium; it's all
(primarishit) muhreens
(primarishit) muhreens
(primarishit) muhreens

>>96412981
FEHEVARI MY KING! He's easily the best writer that the Black Library has. I just finished my re-read of the Dark Coil published to date and now I'm listening to Requiem Infernal's fantastic audiobook.

>>96412355
Now that Kroot and Vespids have newly upgraded models, that means we will finally get our official Gue'vesa units next, r-r-right T-taubros??

>>96427884
They're are so many other Auxs we could get instead
>Tallarian Dog Soldiers (bipdedal crocodile lizardmen)
>Nicassar (Flat like a pancake peaceful polarbears)
>Galgs
and so on

>>96427884
Just kitbash them man it's literally the easiest most basic kitbash anyone can humanly come up with and at least half of all serious tau players have done 1 or 2
>>96427898
This is what we should get new models for
>>96418924
I actually hate covenant tau. Tau should be neoimperialist dipshits abusing the everloving fuck out of their auxilliary allies who do so out of necessity rather than brotherhood (or outright brainwashing like the vespids or SOME gue'las), they should by all means be second class citizens in an already caste based society, the lowest of the low designated to do the dirty work that drones are too expensive for and no other caste is resignated to do, like mining and bullet sponging. So far GW has done a stellar job at this because warhammer fans are too retarded to notice it being subtler like in the older codexes.
However... Battlesuit wank can get really repetitive. I believe adding some new auxilliaries to spice things up tabletop-wise is absolutely the correct choice for their faction moving forward, alongside giving us some much needed updated battlesuits. Vespids and kroot hounds are an absolute joy to fight with and they really do feel like they patch the holes the tau themselves don't fill, which just compliments the fluff-tabletop dynamic oh so nicely. It's more of a gameplay issue than a fluff issue im fine with them being second place specially since the tau themselves are way more interesting as a society and culture than any other of their second hands.

>>96427898
Must be fucking wild being a human who defected to the Tau empire only to arrive in a Tau city where you are sitting down next to these things in the local watering hole, along with cannibal vulture men and 6-eyed bipedal wasps.

>>96428022
And PLEASE don't add Nicassar if the famed 2nd edition psychic phase is coming. Im ok with my faction being hard contered by things they aren't that good at, we don't need a crutch or little patches

>>96410864 (OP)
>Warhammers Best Faction
That's Space Marines.
>I really dont understand what about them makes the community hate them outside decade old memes.
Stupid design, weeb faggotry, and colossal levels of plot armor holding this non-entity of a faction in existance. Fluff doesn't get any better with editions.

>>96427623
This would have made better sense if there was such a thing as "Xenos Codex", or "Minor Factions" or some shit like this.

And then include Tau, Kroot, Vespid, and any and all kind of various xenos to be found anywhere, with endless opportunities to add more to the bestiary.

But of course it wouldn't sell as much as hyped up weeb faggotry with classic gw cheese, so fluff will always suffer the heretic to live.

>>96430383
>space marine fag
stopped reading

>>96430383
>colossal levels of plot armor holding this non-entity of a faction in existance
I dunno, them becoming a bit too hard for Imperium to easily mow down with a crusade and being forced to either tolerate them or use resources that are needed more elsewhere makes sense

>>96430448
Lower your tone when speaking to the blood of the Warhammer.
>>96430655
That's early lore and not very eggregious for one crusade. But it gets worse.

Like them surviving the "biggest Ork WAAAGH! since Beast wars" or Tyranid Hive Fleets without any serious losses. Easily destroying the chapter master of RG, off-screen essentially. Farsight having farsight and never losing.
Essentially Tau just keep expanding as if they're not beset on all sides by everyone, while not being even the tenth of the Imperium.
And of course completely insane "god" of "Greater Good" is the biggest offender.

That's the extend of plot armor. Imperium gets away by occupying most of the galaxy and paying for plot armor with shitshows like Vraks.
Tau pay nothing.

>>96432088
Why should Tau pay anything they have a society wich isnt assfucked by centuries if not millenia of being retarded. They got plasma weapons as the lowest level standard gear, they seek allies wherever they can avoiding the need to fight for planets, their politics arent based on a fuck you got mine mentality.
>Easily destroying the chapter master of RG, off-screen essentially.
As if, that happened fully onscreen with the book describing the fight in its entirety.

>>96432088
>Easily destroying the chapter master of RG
Based

>>96432088
You'll never be happy until the tau are wiped off the face of the map, which is perfectly fine by me, The tau will only ever get stronger over time and your seethe will never end. I'll take pleasure in it every time I play my tau.

>>96432270
Yeah, they're a faction of mary sues that couldn't exist without plot armor, that's what I said.

>>96432088
The Great Crusade was a single planet somehow building an army of around 100 million Astartes single-handedly (when normally it takes an entire world just to sustain a single chapter of 1000 Astartes, not just recruits but also equipment and supplies) expanding to conquer the entire galaxy in just 200 years. Compared to that level of plot armor, the Tau are nothing. The Tau have barely conquered 500 worlds in 1000 years since they became spacefaring. They've just successfully beaten back a few apocalyptic level threats since then, mainly by fighting smarter rather than harder. The Imperium used to fight like that during the Great Crusade, too. The reason why it keeps getting shitstomped by much smaller threats like Vraks is because the Imperium is a dead empire held together only by its own rotten momentum. It used to have much more concentrated armies like the Legions, but they were broken apart into Chapters to try to hold it together like 1000 bandaids applied to gaping gangrenous gashes. Even the armies and Navy were broken down into the smallest possible units, such that regiments of the Guard aren't allowed to use combined arms doctrine, they're all hyper-specialized into light infantry, armored, artillery, drop troops, etc. specifically so that if they turn traitor they'll be easily destroyed.
The Tau may be small, but honestly all it really takes is one planet getting its shit together to basically conquer the entire galaxy in 40k. That's how humanity managed it.

>>96432376
>when normally it takes an entire world just to sustain a single chapter of 1000 Astartes, not just recruits but also equipment and supplies
Probably because that's your retarded headcanon.
Ordinary world can easily support a chapter, or a dozen, if it has serious industrial development, which Terra, Luna and Mars had in ample supply. Then it was a matter of rediscovering lost worlds.
>The reason why it keeps getting shitstomped by much smaller threats like Vraks is because
Plot narrative. As the Imperium is both hypercompetent and incompetent whenever a plot demands.

In case of Tau, they're literal mary sues who "somehow" evolved plasma weapons. They aren't really trying to make them plausible.

>>96432421
>Probably because that's your retarded headcanon.
Or I actually read my codexes unlike you, where they hype up how nearly impossible it is to keep a chapter supplied with fresh recruits due to how strict and difficult it is just to pass the initial trials, let alone survive the implantation process. It's almost like inducting new space marines is so difficult that they can't easily replenish their casualties despite having an entire world to draw upon, causing chapters that hit sub-company numbers to be wiped out eventually from attrition alone. Which is all straight out of SM codexes.
>Plot narrative. As the Imperium is both hypercompetent and incompetent whenever a plot demands.
If the Imperium is allowed to have plot armor, then so can the other factions.
>In case of Tau, they're literal mary sues who "somehow" evolved plasma weapons. They aren't really trying to make them plausible.
It's not even a complicated evolution. Pulse weapons are just smaller shots than normal plasma guns, which makes overheating extremely unlikely. The Imperium probably could have figured out an innovation that simple, if it wasn't crippled by a cult of insane technology-worshiping zealots that get to decide everything that has to do with technology

>>96410886
Lmao not even close. Tau have been liked by people that checked 1d4chan and believe the Tau were meant to be "le good guys until retcon".
Saying this as someone who fell for that myth around the 2000s.

>>96424171
>>96417943
Custodesfags are merely SMfags who want to differentiate themselves from the riffraff with tons of gold and even more powerscaling.

Not sure where to place GKfags, either as some middle ground between the two previous group or some weird hipster sidegrade claiming to keep the torch of grimdark alive, Specially complicated after the recent lore drop and all the controversy.

>>96432449
>Or I actually read my codexes unlike you, where they hype up how nearly impossible it is to keep a chapter supplied with fresh recruits due to how strict and difficult it is just to pass the initial trials, let alone survive the implantation process.
That's because the trials become much more picky post-heresy, dumbass, not because there isn't a possibility.
Because during great crusade era, they needed manpower and so recruited a lot more liberally. And it's also geneseed and skill dependent, as some, like Iron Warriors, had especially easy induction.
And there's also an issue with the codex itself, forcing marines to pick more selectively.
Easiest way to disprove that nonsense is to point at Badab War.
>If the Imperium is allowed to have plot armor, then so can the other factions.
When your whole faction is plot armor, your faction sucks.
>It's not even a complicated evolution.
Yes it is.
Especially when we're talking about literal stone-age retards who mysteriously evolved within 2000 years, and already got an interplanetary empire by the time they're reencountered. They have no plot ground to stand on.

>>96432503
>That's because the trials become much more picky post-heresy, dumbass, not because there isn't a possibility. Because during great crusade era, they needed manpower and so recruited a lot more liberally.
No? Have you ever even picked up a black book in your life? Astartes used to be much more carefully picked and trained during the Great Crusade, but during the Heresy, the Legions had to recruit new muscle fast. So they all resorted to Inductii programs that reduced their quality control of new recruits, accepting candidates they normally wouldn't, as well as accelerating training regimens to get them on the field faster rather than guaranteeing they would all be top quality marines. After the Heresy was over they never re-instituted the old Astartes selection and training process, all modern Astartes are Inductii.
>When your whole faction is plot armor, your faction sucks.
So the Imperium sucks?
>Yes it is.
It literally isn't. Just make your plasma shots smaller. It's literally that simple.

>>96410864 (OP)
Tau are fundamentally the worst faction in 40K with perhaps the exception of the Fireside Enclaves. They're naive to the point that they unironically didn't realize that the walking battle cathedrals were real (whilst having mecha gundams themselves). They're aware of the warp but had no idea that there were predators in it waiting to consume sentient souls. Worst of all they got the ego of the older races without actually having any real accomplishments.

Even the Eldar theoretically outnumber them, think about that for a second. They're outnumbered by the dying race of space elves and are trying to pick fights with the Imperium. If they weren't carried by the fact they're an established faction they would have been wiped out by a penitent crusade by now.

>>96432644
>even Eldar theoratically outnumber them
If we go by the numbers used in text to quantify a force then Tau would actually be the biggest faction in the entire galaxy short of the Imperium cause the lore writers bother using the number billions and trillions

>>96432562
>No?
Yes?
>Astartes used to be much more carefully picked and trained during the Great Crusade
They weren't. And it's particularly evident by the people on Primarch's native worlds, most of whom were adults by the time Great Crusade picked the up and they survived just fine, with even the oldest pathetic fucks having a good chance to be something.
>So they all resorted to Inductii programs
That's nulore introduced during HH, and it also contradicts your point about trials in the first place, if all training is supposedly done by inductii.
Originally, hypnodoctrination was used specifically to instill loyalty and strenghen the mental defenses.
And don't think I missed that you avoided Badab War, whose system had less people than the current population of Earth.
>So the Imperium sucks?
Yes, the Tau suck big time.
>It literally isn't.
Yes it is, and speficially, you shouldn't be able to reverse-engineer it in the first place, not to say change.
And even their Plasma Cannon-sized weapons do not overheat.

>>96432719
Also anon, some Legions(usually loyalists) weren't happy about resorting Flash and Hypno-Indoctrination, as it usually led to the Legionnaire being practically either a copy of the dead person or just copying strategies and tactics but unable to formulate their own.

>>96427623
The thing is, despite having no souls, the Tau have an actual manifestation in the warp now with all the belief from all the alien races in their empire for the Greater Good who actively wants to give them guidance and looks for their well-being. They could easily traverse through the warp now.

>>96432376
>around a -
the entire system is populated more or less and quite massively, earth was basically a death world with the amount of conflict going on and the emperor spend thousands of years preparing and generations following and the legion size was about 100k,
there are literally the gene-forges right there.

>>96432449
>Or I actually read my codexes unlike you
you don't.
at-least you're not doing so critically.
the issue with supplying the chapters is the imperuim is fucking gutted and running incredibly poorly.
when selecting candidates the chapters are limited to a thousand and are required to pay a tithe of geneseed to keep their numbers down, this contributed to the reasoning behind the badb war if you remember in part.
getting power armour and supplies requires the imperuim to often have a close working relationship with a forge world or industrial world, they're also limited in their recruitment by the sector's government


the crusade is entirely different beast

>>96433190
Tau have souls actually, they're just blunts. Like the nusquats or some humans.
Tau souls thus are the lowest quality gruel, but also susceptible to the Culesus assassin shenanigans.

The issue with greater good god is that it's not not a god. It's not a person, not a religion anybody believe in. So even psychically active humans could will something so retarded into being. And especially within a literal millenium.
That's flatly impossible for the measly amount of humans and others they have.

>>96432500
GKfags never fully recovered from Ward and Dreadknight keeps them relatively humble

TOTAL BLUIE DEATH

>>96433323
Fuck that went riddled with typos. I apologize for affront to the eyes and retreat to sleep.

Also, for the matter, blunts aren't blanks. Just so there's no confusion.

>>96432644
>unironically didn't realize that the walking battle cathedrals were real (whilst having mecha gundams themselves)
Only thing common between the two is that they are bipedal, its like a contemporary tank commander not believing that someone built a fucking nomad city from mortal engines
>They're aware of the warp but had no idea that there were predators in it waiting to consume sentient souls
How are they supposed to learn? Other than Niccassar they got no psykers, and who knows what pancake bears do
>they would have been wiped out by a penitent crusade by now.
Anon, a Damocles Crusade TRIED that, they failed once they had to fight on a sept instead of some remote sparsely populated colonies, and they were forced to a standstill, giving up because Imperium couldn't afford reinforcements at that time
And now they have an actual warfleet, instead of some up armored merchant vessels they had during the initial crusade, so its gonna be even harder to conquer them than back then, thing about Tau is that they aren't strictly stronger than the Imperium, but they ARE strong enough to give actual resistance, so no weekend crusade is gonna do it, at the same time they aren't an existential threat, which lowers priority when compared to other enemies

>>96432644
>They're naive to the point that they unironically didn't realize that the walking battle cathedrals were real (whilst having mecha gundams themselves)
Because those walking battle cathedrals are humongously retarded and no one of sane mind would build one of those instead of more compact weapons. And they were right.
> They're aware of the warp but had no idea that there were predators in it waiting to consume sentient souls
Like the Imperium prior to the Heresy? Like the Emperor wanted?
>Worst of all they got the ego of the older races without actually having any real accomplishments.
Said the Eldar to the human.

>>96412355
>>96412677
fuck the haters, Gue'ron'vesa are peak kino and I would love to see them either with Farsight or Tau Empire at large, as some sort of irregular ultraelite special forces. Just not sure how the Imperium would classify them? As renegades, I guess?

>>96432673
>>96432644
There are many trillions of T'au according to the 9th and 10th ed codex. The fuck are you talking about?

>>96434614
another cool interpretation of the Tau Astartes theme I've read about is that they aren't actually Space Marines, but rather regular Gue'vesa piloting crisis suits patterned on the Astartes. Fight fire with fire or something

>>96434637
The Greater Good protects!

>>96434595
>>96434608
>>96434614
>>96434637
>>96434675
gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

Tau astartes should never happen, the last thing a xeno faction needs is human models, much less space marine models. Do not dilute my xenos.

That said, if the lore makes imperials seethe then I would accept it as canon

>>96432270
that describes literally everything in warhammer.

>>96432644
anon
when the characters in the book arent supposed to be retarded but are
dont shit thyself over the imaginary people
call the writer a hack and move to a better one

>>96434824
woops
that was meant for
this guy
>>96432375

>>96412355
>>96434595
I think the concept holds water. I mean, there have been TONS of space marine chapters who have straight up fallen to degeneracy and outright chaos worship in the millennia after he original Horus Heresy. What exactly stops at least one from defecting to xenos? I don't care about the tau being the """"good""""" guys or whatever, but it would be funny in the extreme to see the unspeakable hatred from loyalist chapters seeing this fucking atrocity.

I do wonder which lineage defecting would be the funniest or cause the most drama, probably a Dark Angels descendant, though in reality it would probably be something like a Salamanders/White Scars descendant.

>>96433331
Guess that baby carrier finally made itself useful.

How many planets do they have now. I believe they were introduced with something like 75-100 planets (Septs aside). How many do they have now?

>>96432375
Eh, the Tau’s plot armor isn’t nearly as bad as the Imperium’s, at least the Tau have a reason for their society to continue existing instead of Balkanizing into a million pieces like the Imperium should’ve done 10,000 years ago

>>96435463
500-2000, it's not super clear. Some spheres apparently doubled the amount of planets they had and they expand outside of the big spheres of expansion pushes too.
>first sphere grew the empire by seven septs (no exact amount of planets, as septs can range from a single world to a few networked star systems) and lasted 1400 years from 502.M37 to 956.M38, it was done without any FTL (or "near-light" travel) at all
>second sphere supposedly ended with the empire controlling about a hundred worlds leading into the Damocles Gulf Crusade, taking place 018.M39-700.M41 and added the kroot and vespid to the empire and had the first fights against humans and tyranids
>third sphere in 997.M41 until who the fuck knows (999.M41 is the last date given but we know how bullshit dates get around this point), the empire was supposedly around a hundred worlds when it began but increased it by a third from mostly imperial worlds, two thirds of which were taken without a fight. to complicate things index xenos 2 claims that by the third sphere they had expanded the empire "a thousand-fold" but i assume that's just flowery exaggeration since it doesn't track with other stuff
>fourth sphere is kind of a dud but also appears all over the galaxy (baal, galactic core, gladius, nachmund, nem'yar)
>fifth is also a dud but simultaneously a huge somehow, the numbers break down at this point
So they're about equal to Ultramar at minimum, at maximum a few times larger.
Farsight has like 8 planets, his "empire" is comparatively nothing. Which is weird since some lore says his forces conquered a hundred worlds for the empire in the past yet he's been sitting on his ass ever since he broke off.

Small, elite, professional militaries defeating vastly larger forces composed of fanatics and conscripts is not anything new. The Tau beating the Imperium in combat isn’t just possible, it’s the expected result.

>>96436384
I mean the Tau are also fanatics. They would willingly throw themselves with bombs to destroy a tank.
They just do it less.

>>96436414
They're fanatics because it's their only purpose from the moment they are born, war. They do blood oathes and shit. It's just the average fire warrior is probably more well trained than the average guardsman due to how their society is structured. There are plenty of guard regiments that can rival the tau's zeal but it's still something to applaud in their troops.
>>96436384
The ultramarines are way more elite than most tau forces though, they are literally hundreds of years old superhuman mass. I say this as a taufag
I prefer Damocles being a very close call for the Empire that required all of their strength and resources to combat with them ultimately coming scarred but experienced and ready for action from the conflict than the bullshit Phil Kelly "heh it was all part of Aun Va's mega gambit super plan" retcon. The tau's main strength is that they learn and adapt extremely quickly even if they are made for absolute fools at first, it's why Tau vs Tyranids is such a fun and neurotic fucking matchup

>>96436493
>The ultramarines are way more elite
Actually not much. They are just manchildren on steroid. And not even smart ones, since they follow Bobby's book like IG follow Imperial Creed. And they've been completely outmanuevered by Tau

>>96436384
>>96436414
I started reading Elemental Council and one of the characters in the first chapter mentions that the average life expectancy on the frontlines was 3 hours. Which sounds just absolutely bonkers for the kind of army the Tau are supposed to be.

>>96436493
Yeah the Tau's Fire Caste are beasts. I'll give the props, namely the ones in battle suits.

>>96436493
>The ultramarines are way more elite than most tau forces though, they are literally hundreds of years old superhuman mass. I say this as a taufag
The fuck are you talking about? In Farsight Supplement and Blades of Damocles, the Ultramarines and the rest of the Marines in the Damocles Crusade are outclassed by Crisis suits.
The supplement says that marine bolters weren't doing much damage to the XV8 suits.

>>96436619
it was a particularly bad battlefront, not an empire-wide average. for the imperium the average survival is fifteen hours after all.

>>96436493
>the bullshit Phil Kelly "heh it was all part of Aun Va's mega gambit super plan" retcon.
Explain. This is the first time I hear about this.

>>96418602
>>96418612
2nd tyrannic war was "something happening" and it was sick.

>>96436677
Long story short. Aun'Va used renegade Inquisitor to bait Imperium into capital invasion and left door open deep into Empire for them, so Tau could repell major Imperial Assault to make a point for both Imperium and Tau Fire Caste.

>>96436712
>Aun'Va used renegade Inquisitor to bait Imperium
Got text or source for that?

>>96436754
It's in the latest Farsight Blade Of Truth book in probably the only interesting scene when he's taken captive and had a big audience with the ethereal council about a buncha things before being escorted outta there by Aun Shi (HELL YEAH AUN SHI)
Something something big plan for warp drive technology, big plan to teach the fire caste a lesson, big plan to scare off the Imperium from invading with a major force. Phil Kelly was teasing this retcon for a bit but he finally made it solid, which is depressing because it makes the whole thing feel kinda pointless and fabricated, the most important conflict in all of tau history being one big sacrificial lam bfor a couple of political points. I mean it fits the tau but I also really enjoy the damocles gulf crusade as one of the most interesting conflicts in the setting and having it be 1 big machiavellian scheme makes it feel more like a plotpoint rather than a genuine aspect of tau history
Aun Va is still acting oblivious about chaos and the warp btw

>>96436815
i'd say the fight against hive fleet gorgon was more important but yeah i enjoyed the pre-keikaku damocles more (especially the impfag coping)

>>96436870
Ironic that they coping despite the fact the Tau didn't got well off that fight prr-keikaku, despite winning.

>>96436493
>The ultramarines are way more elite than most tau forces though
Than their conventional forces sure, but not their battlesuits, and meanwhile Tau Fire Warriors still outclass Guardsmen.

>>96437155
This is the thing i like to point out. How many marines are there in the galaxy vs How many crisis suits the tau empire has.

Because I think a crisis suit is superior to power armor in almost every way (it is bulkier). I also think the tau mass manufacture them. so that even if the tau only have an equal amount the difference being that the space marines are spread across the galaxy while the tau empire has them all concentrated in a very small region of space. And that's not counting the fact that the tau might very well have more crisis suits than there are marines.

>>96437471
numbers game is foolish cause the number of space marines and their efficacy was designed when the setting was whacky space nazis and so on but now it's grit grim derp pseudorealism

>>96436384
The Imperial Guard is not canonically meant to be a bad army. There are inefficiencies due to vast scale and the necessary bureaucracy, but they're not as a rule badly trained or stupid.

Also all professional militarys in such a high threat context as the 40K universe run on conscripts. Yeah countries like the US have been relying on volunteers for a while but that only works because they haven't gotten into big enough, difficult enough war to need conscription. You couldn't have fought WW2 with just volunteers.

>>96437722
>There are inefficiencies due to vast scale and the necessary bureaucracy, but they're not as a rule badly trained or stupid.
No...but they're still badly organized.

You have feudal peasants who have never seen a gun before fighting alongside elite Cadians fighting alongside WW1 trench tactics soldiers.

There's no unified doctrine, everybody just fights in their own way, and you hope that you get a decent military commander who can make sense out of the clusterfuck. The problem is fundamentally that it's a modern army that's organized along the lines of feudal levies.

>>96437722
>The Imperial Guard is not canonically meant to be a bad army.
Anon Leman Russ top speed is 29 kmph. Yet other factions like Eldar whose tanks top speed varies from 600 to 800 kmph still jobs to them.
Except Tau, who breaks Imperium's plot armor.

>>96437552
>grit grim derp pseudorealism
>Warp-travel never caused logistical issues to any of the factions
>Custard/Marines wank
.pseudorealism

>>96432644
>Fireside Enclaves

>>96434824
Not really. Most factions, including humans, don't have basically all their history built on gotchas.
GW didn't think them through.

>>96436065
Uhm, no? Tau's reason for not balkanizing is chemichal brainwashing.
Imperium's reason is a fuckhueg logistic of fleets and armies. Oh, and the insistent pressure from the daemonic threat from the warp.
Make no mistake, attempts at sedition are not uncommon, and most of them are squashed early.

>>96436384
That doesn't work when your technological level is equal to that of the enemy, if not surpassing.
And as you've been told, enough fraction of the Imperium's forces are elite, and they also have numerical advantage.

>>96412355
That's also another reason why people have the tau. They're furries of warhammer.

>>96436243
I thought its because Farsight only has relative scraps now so he decided to just chill in his condo now and maybe help main empire when needed
How much help he could be when he has only 8 planets, I don't know, but I guess he is one of their two to three military progenies, think there was a third guy besides him and Shadowsun but I can't remember

>>96438590
Shas'O'Kais

>>96438727
Aint that the guy from DoW?

>>96439002
Apparently yes, the guy who jobbed to Blud Rahvens is on par with Shadowsun and Farsight, maybe Thule is just that cool of a guy
his suit is the best of the three but that's besides the point

>>96437722
If we are talking damocles the main strength of the imperium's forces really were the space marines. They only brought like 3 or so guard regiments
>Cadian 92nd
>Brimlock Dragoons, who come from a barely industrial goop world centered around mining
>Drookian Fen Guard, who comes from a feudal swamp world and still function around clans
Many guard regiments are absolutely excellent top of the line soldiers but given the length of the imperium it's no surprise said quality is really rare and only truly shines in regiments of renown and even in those scenarios the tau absolutely kicked the tallarn's ass in Taros

>>96439002
Yes. He's also the guy from Fire Warrior.

>>96439015
Im pretty sure they both have the same suit but Kais just chooses to keep the helmet on at all times.

>>96439046
That's a different guy with a similar name

>>96439061
Pretty sure its also fatter

Interesting thread

>>96439087
No, he's the same exact guy. Shas'O is not a name, it's a rank.

>>96414357
>KHANNED.CUM
It's the opposite thobeight. Cumscars are massive simps for blueberries and beg to be vaporized by them.

>>96432500
>GKfags
GKfags all either graduated into cuntstodery when they became the new Marines+ or stick with GKs out of hipsterish contrarianism

>>96439785
One is from T'au (Shas'la T'au Kais, the Fire Warrior game/novel one) and the other from Vior'la (Shas'O Vior'la Shovah Kais Montyr, the Dawn of War/War of Secrets/codex one).

>>96440836
Do you realize Shas'O'Kais has exactly the T'au colours in Dawn of War?

>Shas'O Vior'la Shovah Kais Montyr
No, that's wrong, because that's Farsight.

Kais lore was just fucked in the novels.

>>96412355
>>96412677
>>96434595
I like to imagine a group of Astartes fighting with the Tau because they got fucked over by the AdMech and are in need of new gear. So like most xenos allied to them, the Tau pays the space marines as mercenaries.

>>96441076
No Space Marines ever fights for xenos. Absolutely each of them have deep contempt, be them loyalist or chaos.
Tau also won't treat with sufficient groveling they are entitled to.

>>96441099
Horrible ESL, but factual. Marines deprived of their gear simply turn to functional piracy, as is the case with Marines Malevolent or Space Sharks.

Serving the lesser races is even more demeaning that serving the Emperor too.

>>96441076
Why would Tau ever use Astartes though. They are in such small numbers they are akin to finding a Kroot who is strong enough to rip a tank in 2, useful but the battle needs 2 billion more Kroot to be winnable.

>>96438590
>>96436243
Not planets. Farsight controls a number of systems. A dozen or so. Haven't you read Blade of Truth or Arks of Omen: Farsight?

>>96441511
I don't believe in literacy

>>96441240
The Tau don't really have much of a use for Space Marines desu.

The problem with Space Marines is twofold. First, they're slow and inefficient to create. You have to go through legions of recruits that could've been useful Fire Warriors, 99% of whom will die in the attempt. And for all of your efforts you get a soldier...that is less powerful than a battlesuit.

Additionally, the Imperium as a whole is a backwards feudal state, and the Space Marines operate under that feudal hierarchy as a sort of warrior monk society. Instead of answering to a higher authority, you have to request their aid and hope that they decide you're worthy of help. It's primitive and retarded.

A good way to think about it would be to imagine the Imperium as the Holy Roman Empire. It's massive, yes, but not nearly unified to take advantage of its size. Whereas the Tau are more like Prussia. Small, but elite and well organized.

>>96441240
Tau use everyone they can. That's the point of the Greater Good. A marine chapter would be one more source of auxillaries even if they were equipped like Necromunda gangers.

>>96441830
Space Marines make sense if you need, you know, marines. Boarding actions are exactly the kind scenario where elite, power armored infantry make sense. As valuable as Space Marines may be, sacrificing a company of them to take out or capture a whole warship is a solid trade. A crisis suit isn't going to be clearing bulkheads or maneuvering in crowded passageways. I assume Tau would just use breacher teams for that sort of thing?

>>96442518
Breacher teams would be the most likely candidate, though Kroot and Gue’vesa are also options. Typically though I’d imagine the Tau wouldn’t particularly favor capturing enemy ships (Imperium ships don’t particularly fit into the naval warfare doctrine of the Tau).

>>96441830
>>96442518
>>96442004
The fuck is wrong with you? It's not like there is a ton of sources of Marines vs T'au.

The main reason why the Damocles Crusade made gains on Dal'yth Prime was because of the Space Marines. Gel'byrn and the rest of the 6 cities the Imperials took wouldn't have fallen without the Space Marines.
The only reason why the Imperials weren't routed off Dal'yth Prime by the Swords of Puretide was due to Numitor's and Cato's tactical insight.
Farsight said the biggest obstacle in the war was the Space Marines. Once Farsight and Shadowsun beat the marines, the Damocles war was over.

There are a few stories where the T'au try to convert Space Marines

>>96442719
The issue is that the ONLY competent forces the Imperium has are the Space Marines, and they only have a million or so of them, and they have to use disproportionate amounts of them whenever they face the Tau.

>>96442728
They have a couple very elite guard regiments, it's just said regiments usually have a pretty bad matchup agains't the tau specifically. Like what the fuck is a kriegsmann supposed to do agains't a battlesuit jet blasting into his trenches. Most guard vs tau battles result in losses for the guard because fire warriors and their equipment are hard counters for them, see Taros and Cain's accounts
The imperium has plenty of elite forces in their belts. Knowing how the tau deal with warfare and how much of a problem the greenskins unpredictability caused them before Farsight mapped their kind out im pretty sure Sisters could be a fair match for a couple septs, specially their zeal and demented weaponry or random battlefield miracles. Can't speak for other imperial forces the custards likely aren't stepping even close to the damocles gulf and mechanicus probably become meatscraps the moment they meet tau tech

>>96442719
The question isn't if marines are effective for the Imperium, anon. It's if the Tau have a niche for them that is impactful enough to justify the effort in acquiring them.

>>96442920
Mid-range to short-range Space Marines are kings.
Outside of Farsight and his Way of the Short Sword, the T'au suffer in those ranges.
The T'au fill those gaps with Kroot and Gue'vesa which are not equal to marines at all.

>>96410864 (OP)
Tau are kino additions to the setting because they're just that diverse, and are a breath of rational noblebright/nobledark scifi in an absurd, grimdark universe.

They're great because they genuinely try to do the right thing, only really falling short due to lack of awareness of alien psychology/geography (thinking the Trad Tau'va would work on humans or orks without any alterations, or having no clue what the fuck a 'Slaanesh' is), and being too optimistic in trying to do the right thing (trying to spread the greater good to Orks and Tyranids). But that's their big flaw, naivety.

By including them as a minor part in the setting, you make it so much better.
>You introduce a xenos version of the Guard, solving irrational problems with rational (and now 'modern') military means.
>You make a contrast showing just how bad most humans are next to them, given their conduct. (I swear, everyone goes on about humans in the Tau empire taking chems or getting vasectomy's to dull their hormones to better mesh in their new life, and forget the average Imperial world does the exact same thing, except the chemicals are carcinogenic).
>You show that, for all the Imperial Propaganda, that a functional Utopia is possible, even with external pressure.
>And then in the same breath, that humans aren't suited for Utopia's by our basic natures.
>And when you reflect all that in-setting, you introduce ANOTHER threat to the Imperium. That being an informational threat. Seeing how good they have it, and how decently they can act to each other, would tempt even an Inquisitor steeled against chaos or imperial politics.

Sadly like everything else in the setting, they've been flanderized a good deal in recent years into mecha space commies that do 'clearly evil'.tm activities for no reason save to make it clear you're meant to root for the humans/astartes.

>>96443498
>"Rational"
>"they genuinely try to do the right thing"
>Looks inside
>Literally White Man's Burden and Manifest Destiny mentality
>Literally refered as NATO in negative light

>>96443711
>>Literally White Man's Burden and Manifest Destiny mentality
This is the morally right thing thobeightall

>>96443807
Okay that made me cackle

>>96443823
Look man, all I'm saying is India has proven it has yet to earn the right to govern itself. And the Imperium is basically Space India.

>tau are le good guise!!!
they're literally ZOG
greater good is literally the exact justification used for invading Iraq/nam/Libya/Syria/Afganistan

>>96444265
The Tau would sing "I've never met a Nice South African" forgetting the singer is South African.
Which fits perfectly

>>96410864 (OP)
>>96443711
>>96443807
White Man's Burden and Manifest Destiny are the Imperium's Dogma, latter literally referred to as such sometimes. Since they are protagonists of the setting at large.
And they represent old gud, from their style as ornate space knights, to the philosophy of absolutism and Divine Right. Despite the gritty reality of existance that's not even wholly their fault.

Tau are cringe because they represent the cancer of modernity. Weak, slow things that eat gruel and survive only in long range combat, artillery and drones, which, aptly were invented ahead of time.
The "Greater Good" being the lofty goal, where in actuality a small caste of racially (((different))) Tau rule everything, and the rest are quite literally brainwashed, micro-managed like wagies in Amazon, inter-caste relations banned(for they will likely spawn Tau immune to standard chem-control. And also disproving the memes about big tidded tau cows for everyone), and sterilized if needed.
They still don't even fit in a setting theme proper, because humans had the technological supremacy before. And it crumbled violently because of chaos. Technology alone is insufficient.
And that's the reason why plot armor has to basically hold their entire faction apart, as mentioned above.

>>96444265
It's almost shocking someone at GW even slightly understands their own setting. They still fucked up at conception, Tau being too young to plausibly develop and expand. The setting justifications are pretty shit.

>>96444284
In reality, singer being South African doesn't mean he won't jump and rape a woman behind the curtains and use his money to keep her silent.
Modernity has one good pros, we're living just in time to see our old superstitions and prejudice proven right all along.

>>96445649
>White Man's Burden and Manifest Destiny are the Imperium's Dogma
Manifest Destiny, yes (but then, that's basically every faction. Even Orks believe in their own orky version of Manifest Destiny), but not White Man's Burden. WMB requires a belief that only (you) are capable of ruling other races/species and have an inherent responsible to assume stewardship over them and guide them to Civilization, be it willingly or by force if they don't comply.

This directly lines up with the Tau and their Greater Good philosophy and directly contradicts the Imperium's xenocide-happy nature. The only time the imperium even tolerates sapient xenos is if they begrudgingly have to and were they not so desperate they'd gladly wipe out every "sanctioned" xeno in existence.
>Tau are cringe
Oh, it's a retarded zoomer. No wonder it gets basic definitions of basic terms wrong.

>>96445670
>Even Orks believe in their own orky version of Manifest Destiny
Nobody else has the same manifest destiny, retard. Orks explicitly don't have a greater agenda, they just Do Their Thing because they can. That's Orky.
Necrons and Eldar just hang in there and aren't religious.
And Chaos actually had "divine" mandate.
>WMB requires a belief that only (you) are capable of ruling other races/species and have an inherent responsible to assume stewardship over them and guide them to Civilization, be it willingly or by force if they don't comply.

Yes, and it referred to the humans, and wayward, backward or forgotten colonies, retard. And that's exactly the type of attitude the Imperial Creed has. So long as they are uncorrupted.
Aliens don't have to stay in the equation, and can easily be seen as threat to be exterminated/something to protect humanity from.
>Oh, it's a retarded zoomer.
Butthurt retard is butthurt.

>>96410864 (OP)
They're the American faction. Our superiority leads to jealousy.

>>96445707
>Orks explicitly don't have a greater agenda
Multiple orks have grand designs, lorelet
Wazdakka is trying to build a galaxy spanning racetrack
The Great Tyrant(s) of Jagga are all in a bid to prove their right to the title by building empires
Ghazzy believes he's the prophet of Gork and Mork and it's his job to paint the galaxy green
Manifest Destiny isn't inherently a religious concept but even then you're wrong because Orks are all about their gods.
>Necrons and Eldar just hang in there and aren't religious.
Necrons believe the galaxy is theirs by right, that's Manifest Destiny
Biel-Tan is literally all about RETVRNing to the Eldar Golden Age.
>And Chaos actually had "divine" mandate.
>it referred to the humans
Which isn't White Man's Burden, retard. WMB was about uplifting "lesser" and/or "undiscovered" races of humanity, not reclaiming lost colonies. Recolonizing Roanoke is not a tenet of White Man's Burden.
>Aliens don't have to stay in the equation, and can easily be seen as threat to be exterminated/something to protect humanity from.
They are ALWAYS exterminated when possible, as opposed to the Tau who try to conquer and "enlighten" species as one who believed in the White Man's Burden would.

Face it, you just want to self-insert into the Imperium and are big mad that Tau are the ones who get the casual white racist trait instead of the Imperium.
>Butthurt retard is butthurt.
I accept your concession ;^)

>>96443835
You're welcome to come try and take it, pussy.

>Inb4 uhh why would I want it
Glib and cowardly

>>96412461
>>96412355
No its a good idea. Marines are notoriously disloyal so there should be more variety of traitor Marines beyond chaos.

>>96445767
>Multiple orks have grand designs
None of what you said is applicable to manifest destiny, retard. I guess you don't even fully understand the concept, unsurprising.
Only Ghazghkull maybe at best.
>Manifest Destiny isn't inherently a religious concept
It is, because divine right and specifically destiny.
>Orks are all about their gods
Lol, lmao. Lorelet.
>Necrons believe the galaxy is theirs by right
>Biel-Tan is literally all about RETVRNing to the Eldar Golden Age
Both of them already had the galaxy under control at one point and reclaiming what was theirs instead of conquest of the unknown, but "promised".
>Which isn't White Man's Burden, retard.
Yes, it's Divine Mandate, as I said. Retarded monkey can't even keep track of what's being said. Sad!
>They are ALWAYS exterminated when possible
Not always. And this doesn't even matter for the question. Both Imperium and Tau fit the bill in their own way.
>I accept your concession ;^)
Even more butthurt after getting told? I accept your concession.

>>96446028
I mean sure, but India is hardly a priority for anyone when there are richer lands in Africa.
After WW3 hits there can another exchange of land, and frankly India does need massive culling. They don't even have enough food to feed themselves properly.

>>96446101
Marines are both notoriously loyal, and notoriously arrogant. How many times does one need to remind you that tau are contemptible inferior race? Like literally.

>>96446252
>Orks are all about their gods
>Lol, lmao. Lorelet.
You are an actual lorelet if you don't know this basic thing about Orks. They are the only species in the galaxy who are so naturally and strongly aligned with their gods. The existence of Gork and Mork are present and felt in every Ork soul. Every act an ork undertakes is a religious act. The fuck do you think a WAAAGH is?

>>96446360
You are a lorelet, but more likely you're just a retard who doesn't actually understand the Orks.
Pro-Tip: species define gods, not the other way around.

>>96410864 (OP)
I've been trying to make atau aux codex.
It's very much just an outline right now but I thinks its going cool

>>96445707
>Eldar aren't religious
They may not pray to their gods or go to church, but calling them non-religious seems weird. They have shrines to khaine and isha, Exarchs are considered "priests" of khaine, and myths about the gods play a huge role in their culture. That all sounds like religion. It's just one that doesn't require faith or superstition because they know for a fact that the gods exist or existed.

>>96447376
Eldar relation to their gods is humourously not unlike that of the Orks.
I don't remember anymore where it first came, but Eldar themselves also predate their gods just like anyone else, and those specifically were willed into being by or with the help of the Old Ones as psychic gestalt constructs, the living idols to combat the Necrons.

So while you can worship an elf-made deity, it's still a tad bit awkward. They honour them, like you would an honoured ally, but at the same time, Eldar are don't follow the Gods' will, like at all. They acted as guides, friends, helpers, or warleaders in case of Khaine.
And that didn't stop people like Maugan Ra from teamkilling Avatars.

And according to middle lore they even voluntarily took a step back further weakening them.
>It's just one that doesn't require faith
No, each and every god requires actual faith in them. A concious, but a-matter-of-fact belief in their power.
This is true for Orks, for Elves, and for Humans, who both shape their respective deities after themselves involuntarily.

I still don't think Eldar can be called truly religious, mystical maybe.

>>96447691
>Eldar themselves also predate their gods
Assuming their gods aren't ascended Old Ones or something, in their mythology their gods create them so they wouldn't believe that.
>I still don't think Eldar can be called truly religious, mystical maybe.
I'd say for the majority of their existence the Eldar were actually religious since their gods had been cut off from directly interacting with the materium. It was only in the few thousand years before the Fall where they abandoned their religion and Slaanesh started to take root.
Being religious doesn't necessitate always obeying what your god/gods want after all. Especially in polytheism where you can have assholes like Khaine.

>>96447766
>Assuming their gods aren't ascended Old Ones or something, in their mythology their gods create them so they wouldn't believe that.
Now that you mention it, the fluff does say something about Eldar forgetting or "forgetting" their origins and largely worshipping them. I just forgot.
Checked your numbers btw.
>I'd say for the majority of their existence the Eldar were actually religious since their gods had been cut off from directly interacting with the materium. It was only in the few thousand years before the Fall where they abandoned their religion and Slaanesh started to take root.
>Being religious doesn't necessitate always obeying what your god/gods want after all. Especially in polytheism where you can have assholes like Khaine.
Hrm, I suppose I'll just concur.

>>96415559
>wokeness
Using "wokeness" unironicaly in 2025
kek
lmao even

>>96427701
Bro out here writing a whole Dark Souls cutscene monologue about "ontological hatred" and "past lives" like he's some cursed knight bound to eternal war and it's over plastic toy space fish.

I'm sure it sounded very impressive in your head but gosh you're pathetic

>>96445707
>and it referred to the humans, and wayward, backward or forgotten colonies
There were no 'forgotten colonies' when it came to the White Man's Burden, just other nations only fit to exist under the White Man/Tau.

>>96444265
Except Tau aren't ruled by a person with mutilated dick and fake hair.
They are closer to masters of doing nothing

>>96438224
>Imperium's reason is a fuckhueg logistic of fleets and armies. Oh, and the insistent pressure from the daemonic threat from the warp.
So what? Totalitarian states cannot sustain themselves for long.

>>96451742
My hate does not waver at ridicule or public dismissal. And certainly not at the size of the object of my ever-burning hatred.
The tau are the bane of good in life their creation comparable to the first murder or the serpent's deception.
Their defender are like the unwashed masses that serve the great deceiver.
I can no kill over my gallant beliefs in our age. Im limited to futile attempts to spit my vemon over the ocean of wires that connect us in hopes my words alone will fell the foul ones

>>96452402
You’re like if incel poetry was about plastic figurines. Touch some dirt.

>>96452432
Woe to you. For you cannot see the white steed I ride upon. My beliefs are gallant. My words ring with pure intent. My heart hates not out of fear or misunderstanding nor anything less than the most just of reasons. For man in our day has no banner to fight under that is just no kings that care for you we can only take stands under the banners of our beliefs and our passions.

Tau Empire tech and ideas are really cool, but the allied species/auxiliary species are always cooler than the actual blue-skin Tau themselves. The caste system and their biology and all that is boring as fuck, what's cool is an alien confederacy made up of a bunch of benchwarmer species that just want to not live in a fucking hellscape. Leaning into that would be the best thing GW could do for Tau sales, just decimate nearly all of the actual Tau in some fucked up incident so they're a tiny minority in their own empire. Make the greater good and the sleek tech the only consistent part of them, with different flesh beneath it every time you see them.

I ran into this X post today.
https://x.com/shas_kais/status/1961246459224834372
How accurate is it?

>>96452545
I hate it. The tau are given more and more convenient outs to being taken down. Truely such horrible writing must be the work of those who wish to see the fabric of the lore dismantled and try and bring prominence to the vile creation that is those blue gilled freaks.

>>96452597
Eh, small elite forces taking down much larger ill-equipped forces is the expected result.

>>96452545
It's somewhqt accurate yet dumb. It basically says "Damocles Crusade was an inside job".

>>96451994
They are ruled by jewthereals and their propaganda and brainwashing just like the us
Its the guevesa/troons that get sterilized

>>96453074
Sounds like a pretty based fascist state. White Man's burden, sterilizing lefties, enforcing cultural superiority.

Why are they always drawing Tau girls with giant tits?

>>96446283
As predicted, glib and cowardly.

There isn't going to be a WW3 for you to enact your embarassing jerkoff fantasies, by the way.

>>96434595
>>96434608
>>96434614
>>96434637
>>96434675
are there stl files for tau marines?
I kitbashed a cadian mini into a tau unit, but I'd like some marines too

>>96452402
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>96452852
>>96452597
Explain why it's dumb/bad.

>>96453543
>says the increasingly shaking poojeet for the third year of Russo-Ukrainian war
Yeah, as predicted. Keep your yap shut if you know what's good for you.
Ukrainians didn't and you can see what happened to them now. And Eurostates are growing increasingly unstable with wars always solving problems.

>>96446292
>Notoriously loyal
>Literally half of them turned traitor

>>96454447
Because they were loyal to their Primarchs more than to the Emperor.

>>96454465
So if a primarch came back and started simping for blueberry pussy, would all space marines descended from him follow suit? Are marines just the gayest, most brainless combination of orks and nids in existence? The Synapse Primarch (who's da biggest and da strongest!) just completely overwrites local marinegaunts into having new opinions, is that how marines work?

>>96454489
No, marines aren't chemically brainwashed blue cucks.

>>96454505
If all it takes is Daddy Primarch saying "we gayoss now" to flip half the galaxy to chaos, they're actually MORE braincucked than tau. At least Farsight broke free and did his own thing.

>>96454522
Farsight only broke free when his Daddy died, no tau can make conscious choices with them around.
That's why he avoids showing his face in the Empire, or else he'll cuck out.

>>96433698
>those walking battle cathedrals are humongously retarded and no one of sane mind would build one of those instead of more compact weapons
1) The same goes for gundams, retard and
2) This has always been the game of chainsaw-swords. Ignoring the basic conceits of a setting does not make you smart, it makes you retarded.

>>96417908
Please, most SMfags are just indulging in the propaganda of the Imperium and having fun with it.
Moreover, everyone else is a tourist compared to SMfags. The DNA of the setting changed, thus retroactively making SMfags less tolerable, but that's on GW. If they didn't break the setting multiple times, there'd be no issue. Whereas the Tau fundamentally changes things within the setting.

>>96451672
Just because FB boomers found the term doesn't mean it's any less accurate.

>>96454604
What do the Tau change that wasn’t already there before

>>96454604
>most SMfags are just indulging in the propaganda of the Imperium and having fun with it.
NTAB which part of weird eldar BBC cuckposting is part of Imperium propaganda

>>96454628
Read the bickering above. Tau fundamentally do not fit the setting, and hinge entirely on ass-pulls.
Even GW eventually realized it themselves and had to make some adjustments to make them more in line with the setting.
>>96454810
That's almost canon since first editions, and I refuse to accept Xenology Heresy.

>>96454816
How do they not fit the setting?

>>96454816
>Tau fundamentally do not fit the setting
Weird eldar BBC cuckposting is directly antithetical to the setting yet you defend it
>That's almost canon
You didn't answer the question, anon.

>>96454824
I ain't repeating everything for umpteenth time. Read nigga, read. This thread.

>>96454829
I didn't exactly defend it, it's cringe.
Just the basic concept was in the original lore with more alien acceptance.

>>96454835
I just don’t understand how a culturally supremacist fascist state doesn’t fit the setting.

>>96454849
Because it wasn't like this at the beginning. This is the change I was talking about.

>>96454854
It was always like this, the Tau were never some liberal democracy

>>96454854
You're literally so dumb that GW had to turn subtext into main text and beat you over the head with it. And you STILL don't get it. Tau are unironically 2deep4u despite being as shallow as a muddy puddle. No wonder you have to stick with the bright and heroic marvel primarchs instead.

>>96454854
They were always like that, you just lack the reading comprehension to have picked up on it.

>>96454869
>>96454877
>>96454982
Lol, taufag cope. Thanks.

>>96410864 (OP)
>I wish they got more love
The model line is fine, especially with kill team xeno additions.
What's stopping you from bying/3d printing an army and going to play mechwarrior/covenant vs your local wahfags in the hobby store?

Do you want like books or video games or what?

>>96454998
Not even a taufag, I just hate to see people be so stupid

>>96454998
Taufags are even more likely to think Tau are good guys, retard.

>>96455010
Read the thread above and see taufags bitching about their noblebright anime fagtion was ruined by GW.

You're the one stupid here, even with subtext, Tau was just too glaring. And other occusations never went anywhere.

>>96455019
wrong, taufags just want to meet an imperial knights player to have a mech battle

>>96455010
To elaborate, the Vespid are the perfect example of how stupid you are. From the outset they were written with the implication that the helmets are just as likely to be mind control devices as they are to be genuine translation devices but since idiots like you couldn't pick up on that they had to directly spell it out when they relaunced vespids as a killteam.
>>96455021
>Read the thread above and see taufags bitching about their noblebright anime fagtion was ruined by GW.
Yet you claim I'm one of them for claiming the faction always had dark subtext. Please try to remain consistent for once in your life.

>>96455034
>Yet you claim I'm one of them for claiming the faction always had dark subtext.
Nothing wrong with assuming taufags playing dishonest discussion, guilty until proven innocent, bub.
But like I said, this context wasn't enough, and this thread is apt summary of many people flatly ignoring it in favour of blue memes.

>>96455046
>Nothing wrong with assuming taufags playing dishonest discussion
Ironic.

>>96455034
My guy ignores him. He is a mentally touched idiot who barges into Tau threads to start fights. He isn't even consistent in what he says.
Just type Taufags/Taufag in the archive. You will see the same pattern and how he flips back and forth.

Anyway....
>that they had to directly spell it out when they relaunced vespids as a killteam.
Where is this stated in the Kill Team booklet?

>>96455065
>Where is this stated in the Kill Team booklet?
Not sure about the codex but all the warcom articles really made sure to hammer home the whole
>MAYBE they're valued allies of the tau, but MAYBE they're just mind controlled cannon fodder WHO KNOOOOWS
For idiots like the tauseether who can't read the most blatant of subtext.

>>96453234
Oh I wonder why

>>96455019
As a Taufag I see the Tau as the good guys BECAUSE they’re a fascist state

>>96456489
How are they a fascist state? They are ruled by Elemental Councils that have members that represent all the 5 Castes, plus alien citizen delegates.

That's a republic.

>>96456670
No, that’s just corporatism, an element of fascism. The members of the elemental council aren’t elected, they’re chosen based on who will best serve the interests of the state.

>>96455001
I think they should have a transformable suit, something like jet to mech or jetbike to mech.

>>96432644
>try to shit on the Tau
>can't even spell Farsight's name
Kek, do SMtards really...?

>>96456917
>shits on tau
>can't be bothered to remember their names
Checks out though. You mad, boi?

>>96453234
They evolved from bovines

>>96457098
>"No, see, it's GOOD that I'm a complete retard, actually!"
This is not the own you think it is.

>>96457213
True, it's not an own at all, since it's not retarded to not bother remembering nonames of retarded faction.
Keep seething, redditor.

>>96457260
NTA, you just come off as stupid since it's not like a complex name to remember.

>>96457260
>"Everyone I don't like is LE REDDITOR!"
That's it, anon, use your words.

>>96457315
No, he's just mad that someone who dislikes his faction made a typo and try to nitpick at it like a sore loser.
Farsight and Farside are rather close after all.

>>96457346
>Farsight and Fireside are rather close after all
Bless your little retard heart.

>>96457374
Kwab, keep seething.

>>96457382
>"M-muh seethe!"
I accept your concession.

>>96457346
But the points you made in the post are wrong.
As per new lore, the T'au were aware of Titans. The Stormsurges were in development before the Damocles Crusade. Cato and Numitor fought the KV-100 prototype.
The T'au are unaware that the Warp even exists before the Damocles Crusade. Only the Ethereals knew about it and Chaos.
Your statement about the Eldar outnumbering them is dumb since the Tau are said in their codexes to number in the trillions, whereas craftworld Eldar, who are the most numerous form of the Eldar, number in the low billions on their major craftworlds. Gav Thorpe said that most major craftworlds, like Alaitoc, have populations in the tens of millions. While minor craftworld are in the hundreds of thousands

So, the type is the least of your problems.

>>96457412
First of all, I'm not the one who made that post anyway, I just stuck in for sport.
But for the matter, you are all wrong, since tau ignorance was in the fluff initially, and stormsurges are way way later additions.
GW is notoriously poor with numbers.
And Gav Thorpe explicitly hates the eldar.

So I guess you don't have anything better.

>>96457440
I don't believe you.
>But for the matter, you are all wrong, since tau ignorance was in the fluff initially, and stormsurges are way way later additions.
So was the Oldcrons but they were retconned out. That's a bad argument since the Tau have gone through a revamp in 6th ED, transitioning from Andy Chambers' writing to Phil Kelly, who reworked a lot of stuff from their space travel to how their culture works.
As per the current lore, Anti-titan weapons development predate their meeting the Imperium in war. Probably because they were fighting gargants for thousands of years before they met the Imperium.
>GW is notoriously poor with numbers.
That's a cop-out if I ever saw one. The Tau race reproduces artificially through genetic farms that pump out batches of newborns. Also, they use cloning in their reproduction. It's very similar to how the Leagues of Votann reproduce, except for a few differences.
Their codex states that some of their cities have populations similiar to hive worlds.

The Eldar pregnancy and gestation are difficult and extremely long. Their codexes say that the number of births is lower than the number of deaths. This is universal across all Eldar factions. Not even the Drukhari have populations equal to hive worlds.

>And Gav Thorpe explicitly hates the eldar.
He said jokingly. I heard a number of authors calling him THE Eldar expert in the lore.

>>96457548
>As per the current lore
I don't give a shit.
Neither was old, nor current lore was good to begin with, and the former had more sense.
>Probably because they were fighting gargants for thousands of years
Lol. They only had two thousand years of fore before Imperium reencountered them. Which is why it's such bullshit.
>That's a cop-out if I ever saw one.
That's a fact of life.
And you keep quoting nulore to justify losing an argument.
Also the guy said "theoretically". Since the number of worlds tau occupy keeps exploding for the same magical reason as their plot holes.
>Not even the Drukhari have populations equal to hive worlds.
>unironically using the nuname
Ugh.
Also wrong.
>I heard a number of authors
That's not argument. BL authors are all a bunch of retards that made things dumber and worse, in a profit-driven setting.

So if it's the best you got, this argument is over.

>>96432088
"Grrrr this faction isn't a bunch of retarded backstabbers but instead actually do politics that isn't just a gun to your head AND they actually use sensible tactics?! Plot armor! Reeeeee!"

>>96457670
>Neither was old, nor current lore was good to begin with, and the former had more sense.
That's a concession on your part. One win for me.
>Lol. They only had two thousand years of fore before Imperium reencountered them. Which is why it's such bullshit.
No. It's not. When talking about Stormsurges, gargants are mentioned first before Imperial titans.
>And you keep quoting nulore to justify losing an argument.
It's not losing when one side has the facts. Adding "nu" to stuff doesn't mean you get to dismiss it.
Add another concession from you. Second win for me.
>That's a fact of life.
Yeah, deflection and copouts are facts of life when you lose arguments.
>Also the guy said "theoretically"
You can base a theory if your framing is a bad one due to not knowing the lore of both factions.
>That's not argument. BL authors are all a bunch of retards that made things dumber and worse, in a profit-driven setting.

Not BL authors, GW studio staff like Phil Kelly, and when he worked at GW, Rick Priestley.

I agree the argument is over. Anyone can see I have won. No need to continue.

>>96457774
>That's a concession on your part.
No, it isn't.
In face you're too dumb to notice, this whole thread is exposition of common sense applied to tau lore, which it doesn't hold.
Which is why this faction is being shat on.
>When talking about Stormsurges
No one talks about them, they didn't exist when tau first encountered titans.
>Adding "nu" to stuff doesn't mean you get to dismiss it.
Of course it does if it makes no sense in-setting.
>Yeah, deflection
Yeah, deflection of the fact that GW is poor with numbers. Trying to appeal to RAW won't work here.
>You can base a theory if your framing is a bad one due to not knowing the lore of both factions.
Yes, you can, if you base it on one edition of the lore, which is prone to retcons and changes for no good reason.
>Not BL authors, GW studio staff like Phil Kelly, and when he worked at GW, Rick Priestley.
Priestley left GW a long time ago. And appeal to authority won't work either. Thorpe's treament of Eldar is well known to be shit for no good reason.

Indeed, anyone can see that you have no real arguments, but appeal to the same asspull being criticized. I guess you're really too dumb to even fully understand the argument to begin with. Sad!

>>96457949
Nah, we already settled this. I didn't even read your post.
I won unless you want to pop on the 40K discord and have a debate on the public lore channel.

>>96458067
Kek, sure.

>>96458177
Let's do it!

>>96454522
You know as well as I do everyone didn't wake up one day and decide "Chaos good." Lorgar alone took decades to be turned by Kor Phaeron and Erebus. Seeds of doubt and supremacy were laid into the Luna Wolves through the Warrior Lodge. The Night Lords and Iron Warriors had growing resentment for decades for being given the short end of the stick, as they saw it, and being reprimanded for foing what they were ordered to do. And even then, amywhere from 1/4 to 1/3 of the traitor legions remained loyal tk the Imperium and had to purged, gutting many of the traitor legions of their forces.
So, no. It takes more than Daddy Primarch saying "we gayoss now" for Marines to flip. It took decades if not centuries of planning and manipulation to orchestrate the Heresy you faggot. Something you damn well already knew.

>>96458356
I don't read HHslop, all I know about it is that Marines follow their Warboss and the bigger they are the more authority they have. Praetors are Nobs, Primarchs are Warbosses, and Emps is Ghazzy

>>96458356
No. Dan Abnett and Guy Haley said in the Traitor's to the Throne Seminar that Primarchs were vulnerable to falling to Chaos because they were created from power stolen from the Chaos Gods.

>>96454533
Farsight refuses Ethereal orders to their face, even when he worked in the Empire. Moron.

>>96454505
Marines are literally brainwashed. That's what hypno conditioning is

>>96458397
Congrata on being an ignorant retard then cause you don't need to read HH to know any of that.

>>96458413
>Dan Abnett and Guy Haley said in the Traitor's to the Throne Seminar that Primarchs were vulnerable to falling to Chaos because they were created from power stolen from the Chaos Gods.
All humans are susceptible to Chaos it came free with your soul.

>>96458451
Soul =/= daemon/essence of a Chaos God.

>>96458413
>Dan Abnett and Guy Haley said!
Lol. Lmao even. This >>96458451
>Farsight refuses Ethereal orders to their face, even when he worked in the Empire
Not canon then.
>Marines are literally brainwashed
Then how do they betray? Pick one.
>That's what hypno
doctrination.
It's not exactly, and it's not all this does anyway.

>>96458511
Oh, you are the same guy as before. Didn't I say come over to Discord?

>>96458521
Lol, how can I be the other guy when you replied to me, dumbass?
>>96458480
It really is though. Daemons are spirits. It's somewhat interchangeable.
But primarchs explicitly have souls anyway.

>>96458541
>deciding what's canon artbitarily
>utter misunderstanding of the lore
Come on.
Jump into the 40K discord. I wanna see if, without anonymity, you would make the same arguments because it seems you are pretending to be retarded on purpose.

>>96458511
Actually, I'd correct myself, since I don't read shit novels.
If Farsight had the new sword with him by that point, then it is plausible he could refuse. But not otherwise.

>>96458576
>utter misunderstanding of the lore
Are you talking about yourself, or me, lol?
Or wait, you were serious about discord this whole time?
Let me laugh even harder. Jesus.

>>96453234
They need something to look at other than their goofy faces.

>>96458587
So you are saying you are a cowardly bitch? Thought so.
>>96458578
That's codex lore.
So you have no basis to argue on and just winging it.

Damn. I feel sorry foryou.

>>96458451
Sorry you're so obsessed with more boring orks, lil bro, but that's not my problem

>>96458604
You mean you can't beat me in argument right here and need emotional support from your tranny xisters on discordm and you call someone cowardly? Kwab.
>doesn't mention the sword
So I was right. Even though I did't read the codex in a while. Your power level is pathetic.

>>96458624
Dude, you haven't read the codexes or any Tau source so by default, you have no argument. You aren't arguing.

You are too afraid to go on Discord because you know that without anonymity, you would be too embarrassed to pretend to be a retard. So a bitch.

>>96458661
>Dude, you haven't read the codexes or any Tau source so by default, you have no argument. You aren't arguing.
Nice assumption. Just as wrong as before, and that's also not an actual argument.
I already explained the basis on which I'm beating you. Common sense and inconsistensies galore in tau lore.

So now you're defaulting to crying and avoiding actually arguing to... what? Show off that you're unable to argue without an echochamber. Yes, you are quite a pathetic bitch.
If you're so sorry, you could have invited your xisters here for support, instead of babbling about discord. Kwab.

Anyway, I accept your concession.

>>96458724
It's not an assumption. Going by your posts, it's a fact. I mean, come on. You have no idea what Farsight's storyline is. The sword bit is cute even.

You are the one running away and conceding.
The only thing you are proving is that you are a bitch

>>96458511
>Then how do they betray?
Because their space daddy told them to, duh.

>>96458772
>I mean, come on.
Now you're pleading, pathetic.
I may not have read the codexes in a while or bother with the novels, but I know his storyline. And don't think I missed how you avoided confirming or denying what I said. Convenient.
>You are the one running away and conceding.
Said the pathetic bitch that gave up and started crying about discord instead of sticking to the point.

>>96458829
Wat pleading? We can add delulu on top of everything else.
>I may not have read the codexes in a while or bother with the novels,
No. You haven't read them at all. It's obvious. Why should I confirm or deny anything if you "know his storyline"?
>Said the pathetic bitch that gave up and started crying about discord instead of sticking to the point.
No, no, no. You are the one being the bitch here, own it. I stuck to my point I made the point of you being a cowardly Lorelet bitch. Come at me bro!

>>96458887
That's enough clowning. I accept your concession.

>>96458915
No. Your days of showing yourself as a clown will never end. Bitch

>discord
Lmao, lol even.

Now that I think about it, I've never seen a Tau loli, or a Eldar loli for that matter.

>>96458451
>Dan Abnett and Guy Haley said in the Traitor's to the Throne Seminar that Primarchs were vulnerable to falling to Chaos because they were created from power stolen from the Chaos Gods.
That's stupid, because EVERYONE is vulnerable to Chaos. In fact, Primarchs should be the least vulnerable but Big E is such an arrogant cunt that he thinks he's can be mysterious and vague about Chaos and the Warp and get away with it with no consequences

>>96458972
>I got soo heated that I didn't realized I replied to the wrong anon
Fuck, my bad. It was to >>96458413.

>>96458969
Tau children have the same exact proportions as adult Tau.
>>96458972
No. Not everyone. Human souls are created from the presence of their minds in the Warp.
The souls of the Primarchs were created from power taken from the Chaos Gods. As Dan put it, they were inherently corrupted from the start.

>>96458969
>I've never seen a Tau loli
I have. The art was mildly unpleasant CGshit tho.

>>96436493
You're downplaying how elite the Imperial Guard are. People like to pretend they're random conscripts who've never seen a gun before, but they are the best warriors and soldiers from a given planet. Anything less and the Imperium would go to war with you for your shitty tithe.

>>96459094
Every single being in the galaxy with a soul has the potential to fall to Chaos. If all twenty primarchs were corrupted from the word go, then nine of them just declaring that Chaos was retarded and stayed loyal to the Imperium is a massive L for the Warp. Even Pert, Kurze, and Mortarion all considered Chaos to be retarded, and Morty only fell due to being trapped in the Warp and did a Faustian bargain to try and save his Legions. He wouldn't have fallen by choice like Lorgar and Horus. The entire premise of them being corrupted from the start is silly because the majority, by their own thoughts and actions, either didn't fall (Loyalists and Kurze, kinda Alpharius), or had to be forced (Mortarian, Angron).

>>96459094
Raw power of the warp isn't inherently corruptive, neither are the Chaos Gods are chief lords over it. It's just energy and potential.
Their souls are just very strong and very shiny, a lot like His, or very strong psykers, who also attract daemons by the virtue of this strengh.
They weren't any more prone to corruption than a marine/human in the same circumstance. Even in the novels.
Doesn't matter what Abnett says, he's inventing the lore as usual.

>>96459193
Imperial Guard aren't elite at all though. Absolutely everyone can enlist, and in fact, for many planets it's simply a necessity due to strict rationing.

Based on memey Uplifting Primer, Imperial Guard training standards vary very wildly. Cadian "civilians" are just as capable as their soldiers, as are Catachans.
Meanwhile shits like Scintillan Fusiliers, or any other backwater/richfag regiments are more bark than bite.

Actually Elite parts of the Guard are Officers, Veterans and Stormtroopers.

>>96459094
>they were inherently corrupted from the start.
If they were, half of them wouldn't have stayed loyalist to begin with.

>>96459193
That doesn't mean the quality doesn't vary. The codexes and supplementary sources say that some regiments are primitive savages given lasguns.

In the Damocles Crusade and other major narrative stories, the Imperial Guard gets royally fucked by the T'au. The Imperial Guards advance on Dal'yth Prime was only made possible by the Titans and the Space Marines.
Once the Space Marines got neuterlised, the guardsmen were pretty much cooked.

The lore says that the Cadians are among the best, if not the best, types of Imperial Guard regiments. They were put in charge of the Second Agrellan Campaign. Despite outnumbering the Tau many times over and having the element of surprise, the Cadians lost the ground war hard.
Against the Tau, I wouldn't classify the Imperial Guard as an elite force.

The Tempertus Scions, on the other han,d have significant successes against the Tau in the Kill Team lore.

>>96459248
Horus also didn't fall by choice either, actually. He was also mortally wounded, poisoned and dying, not dissimilar from Mortarian.
It took showing him horrible visions of the future to actually corrupt him, and even then he assumed it was for a good cause, and didn't bend the knee to the "Gods" to the butthurt of Lorgar.

As it is, only Lorgar really took the Chaos pill, and even in his case, he was under great emotional stress, and they also lied to him grandly anyway.

Fulgrim may or may not be himself even, depending on how you like your lore.

>>96459277
>Cadian "civilians" are just as capable as their soldiers,
No. Read Fall of Cadia by Robert Rath. Cadia system is based on a caste/class system. Troops get more food and freedoms than civilians. Civilians exist only to serve the soldier class

>>96459248
>>96459289
Dan and Abnett said that if the Emperor named any other Primarch as Warmaster they would have fallen 100%. No Primarch could have resisted Chaos at the beginning. (then they went over scenarios where other Primarchs became Warmaster and how their Heresies went. Warmaster Alpharius would have been the most successful)

They said the loyalist Primarchs developed their resistances to Chaos from witnessing its horrors and atrocities. Roboute was specifically mentioned as developing his resistance to Chaos from witnessing what happened to Calth.

>>96459324
>not dissimilar from Mortarian.
You didn't read the newer Chris Wraight material, where he gives an alternative take on Morty's fall that implies that it was by choice?

>>96459354
Dan and Guy*

>>96459354
>No. Read Novel X
>Dan and Abnett said!
By the Emperor.

>>96459361
>You didn't read the newer material
Duh.
Care to give us QRD?

>>96459250
The Primarchs, even psychic ones like Magnus, lacked the emperor's incorruptible and his ability to channel the Warp without corruption.
They are not like him.
The Primarchs were cut from the cloth of the Chaos Gods. The Custodes go as far as to say that the true fathers of the Primarchs are the Chaos Gods.

>>96459390
Morty says that he used Typhus to bring him to an audience with Nurgle. He wasn't tricked by him, he used him. Morty knew that the only way to protect his legion and make them endure forever was to embrace the power of Chaos. He wasn't forced to make the deal. He did it willingly and knowingly.

Chris, in the afterword, said that it's an alternative take to interpret the event. It didn't sit well with him for Morty to appear like a sucker.

>>96459398
Obviously, they lacked experitise and training to even be able to channel the energies of the Warp, with only a few exceptions.

Magnus was uncorrupted all the way until he left his home planet after assault and voluntarily let himself be. He was flatly impervious to mutation, but not to bog standard deceit, specifically due to his ignorance.

Most Primarchs are exactly like him, unless they give in themselves, they are impossible to subvert by force.

>>96459420
Lol, wtf. That's completely opposite of all his previous lore.

>>96459428
Sang's wings are mutations and not part of his original design. It's pointed to Lorgar by the daemons, guiding him on his voyage that the Chaos Gods gave Sang his wings to mock the Emperor's atheism.
Konrad's insanity is heavily implied to have been a gift from the Chaos Gods.
So I disagree, in many ways they were touched already.

>>96459431
If you take Morty's word for it.
Depends on whether you believe Typhus or Mort.

>>96459462
>he believes daemons

>>96459462
>Sang's wings are mutations and not part of his original design.
Citation needed.
>It's pointed to Lorgar by the daemons
Ahahahaha, no.
>Konrad's insanity is heavily implied to have been a gift from the Chaos Gods.
Yeah, right. His home planet definitely had nothing to do with it.
Not to mention his prophetic gift that gave him constant visions of Bad Ends.
And of course he was untrained in use of his powers.
It's all very simple.
>So I disagree
Duh. But mostly you're wrong.

>>96459563
>>96459549
I am not.
In the HH series, a lot of what the daemons said turns out to be true. Discarding daemons should be given a name for being a fallacy.

>Yeah, right. His home planet definitely had nothing to do with it.
His novel teaser text said something to the effect that he always felt the touch of Chaos.
This is similar to what the NL Daemon Prince in Lord of Night said.
>Citation needed.
Developed the mutation on Baal.
Lore said that the Emperor overlooked it.

>>96459642
>In the HH series, a lot of what the daemons said
>His novel teaser text said!
>NL Daemon Prince in Lord of Night said!
Ugh!
>Developed the mutation on Baal.
That's true, but since Emperor overlooked it, it wasn't important. Assuming such a possibility wasn't intended at least, since he knew what he was creating.

Also, mutations aren't always the work of demons. Baal is said to be heavily polluted. And some mutations are "intended" so to speak.

>>96459675
Just saying the "kissed by Chaos" line appeared a few times when Konrad was concerned.

The Emperor overlooked Angron having his brain mutilated. The Emperor was willing to use broken or tainted Primarchs.

The Primarchs have a healing factor. Regular mutation from radiation affecting Primarchs is highly unlikely.

>>96459711
>Just saying the "kissed by Chaos" line appeared a few times when Konrad was concerned.
Just as likely a figure of speech. It's just cheap drama anyway.
>The Emperor overlooked Angron having his brain mutilated.
He did bring him and tried to fix him too. Call bullshit on this being "impossible" either.
>Regular mutation from radiation affecting Primarchs is highly unlikely.
Not in infancy. Specifically only him being so young, and wounded what allowed people on Nuceria to did the Angron dirty.
"Regular" humans on Baal required enclosed suit to be in the open. It's a Death World for a reason.

>>96459277
And the Fusiliers are still trained to be better warriors than any soldier Earth produces today. The actual game has never changed the lore that it is a planet's most elite who are tithed. Anyone that doesn't make that cut stay behind as PDF. And if the Imperium catches wind you're holding out, they will send in someone to kick your shit. What do you think the Arbites are there for?

>>96460198
>And the Fusiliers are still trained to be better warriors than any soldier Earth produces today.
Lolno.
Imperial Guard(Or Tau for the matter) doesn't have anything special than normal military doesn't do, aside from space weapons of the future.
>The actual game has never changed the lore that it is a planet's most elite who are tithed.
That was never the lore.
>Anyone that doesn't make that cut stay behind as PDF.
That's true, but it includes simply those who didn't make it due to tithe quotas. And PDF are bad compared to regular guard not because they are bad, but primarily because they are second priority and thus get worse funding for training and equipment.

Catachan's PDF would definitely be above and beyond the baby-gloved Fusiliers.

>>96460333
>That was never the lore.
Read the codexes, I don't know what else to tell you.

>>96457412
The idea that the CWE are the most numerous of the Eldar is and always has been fucking retarded when they have the limitation of needing soulstones for each infant eldar, making a real material limiter to their population size and growth rate, whereas the Dark Eldar just fucking grow themselves in vats and live in a city that is stated to be larger than all imperial hive cities combined.

By any fucking logic, it ought to be the Dark Eldar that are the most numerous of the Eldar race. Commoragh is basically an interdimensional skavenblight just with space elves.

>>96460429
The codexes say about the best soldiers from the planet, which in scale, translates into anyone above average to wield a weapon and certainly isn't represented in the fluff, especially in comparison to the actually elite sororitas.

>>96460581
The original post doesn't specify, and likely means all Eldar combined, including the Dark ones.

Though the poster you're replying is retarded anyway.

>>96460610
I could see the Tau outnumbering the Eldar given that they are expansionist empire that lacks the hassles regarding reproduction of the CWE and do not live in a murderfuck anarco tyranny shithole like the Dark Eldar do. My point in general was just about the population sizes of CWE and DE, and how it makes no sense that the CWE somehow outnumber their dark cousins when the DE actively vatgrow their own people and don't use soulstones.

>>96460610
No you.

>>96460581
You are forgetting two things.
One, there is no limitation that seems to be fanfiction.

Two, Drukhari murder rates

>>96460671
I don't think the Tau possess that many planets to rival the Eldar just yet, nufluff nonewithstading, but that's me.

Also Cumrag too is still somewhat limited by available resources at hand, and even space, so their population must generally float in more or less consistent numbers in 41k.
It is often noted to be overcrowded.

>>96460969
>nufluff nonewithstading
So in other words, you are not part of the discussion, retard.

>>96461032
Contain your butthurt if you want to stay in that discussion, lmao.

>>96461116
Said the coward to the chad. Keep out. This is between me and anon.

>>96461133
Saltier words have never been said in this thread.
Keep it up, Tau like salt licks.

>>96461171
Projection.

>>96460198
>he actual game has never changed the lore that it is a planet's most elite who are tithed
so random criminals are a planet's most elite? being born in the wrong order makes you automatically the most elite? being born in debt makes you elite?

>>96460581
drukhari have the most alive eldar, cwe have the most including the souls in the infinity circuits

>>96463014
That would be an acceptable explanation though I doubt that is what that retard Thorpe actually meant.

>>96463387
>The most numerous of the Aeldari are those who live on craftworlds. Since the Fall, these craftworlders have been forced to fight for survival, contending with a galaxy that is no longer theirs. They are a proud race, determined to see the flame of their kind blaze brightly once more rather than flicker and die out.
8E rulebook
>The craftworlds are home to vast populations of Aeldari, although the majority of them are no longer living.
8E rulebook
While it's not directly stated, it's the only way to make sense if these statements IMO, especially when they're in the same source

>>96412139
>anime mechs
No, the Tau are trash compared to that.

@GORK IS DIS TRUE???

>>96465947
Here you go bro, you can use this in the future.

>>96466064
MAST BE (((FLASH GITS)))