Thread 96414214

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>>96414214 (OP)
Soulful artwork.

https://imgchest.com/p/5xy22anpnyl

>Outer Tide Build List:
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>Outer Tide World Build List:
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96410450

>Chronological Build List:
A Hero of Justice https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96407068
Moonman https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96371953/#96372789
Wanderer above the Sea of Fog https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96401396
Speedster Spider https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96412603
Demonic Nightmare Maker https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96379796
The Black Messiah (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96380342
Flagellant Gambler https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96411399
The Jötunnsdrottninggen https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96381145
Ithyl Twynis https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96381847
Y'Sereth, King among Kings https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96382717
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96382899
Orkhalorkhan https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96393938
Father of the Paracausal Arts (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96411446
Vëe the Dream Librarian https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96393021
Demon King of The Dead (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96386307/#96391919
Krinak, Syn Ufroka https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96399372
The Book of the Damned https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96411503
Ҁ Ф ʌ https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96393951
Faina Aureole (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96394148
Unnotable Lich https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96406404
Escher https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96395910
From the ALL https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96396474
Foolish Dreamer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96398017
Vai https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96399427

>>96414225
Mer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96400248
Aurum Arc the Golden Finger https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96400560
Red Drakonid (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96401172
King of The Exarchate (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96402773
Qarg the Conqueror https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96404302
Son of Man (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96404724
The Inquisitor https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96406963
Ultimate Scholar (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96407218
The Return of the King (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96407523
Liriel, The Veilbreaker https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96410023
Balrog the Emerald King (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96410608
One-Woman Band https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96412498
Ellavan "Ella" Aureole (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96412568

>>96414235
Placeholder my beloved...

>>96414235
Doria might be significantly smaller than Poluden, but it has the advantage of having a nicer environment in general. Well, outside of the giant cursed necromancer's forest, that one's scary.

>>96414235
Social distancing much?

>>96414225
I'm conflicted over Untimeskipping Katya. Even without the cheating death thing (which isn't really much, in my opinion), you'd have an experienced Outsider who's about as strong as you with Empyreality, but your association would mean cutting diplomatic ties with both Malkuth and Paxxia's Realm. Terrible thing to have with the Ecumene looming over us.

How many of (You) are living with this IRL? I am and would not, in a thousand iterations of the CYOA, take it again. Most Meandering Thinkers underestimate how severe the problem is.

When will it end

>>96414368
It's not up 24/7 it's not as bad

>>96414368
ADHD is a curse indeed.

>>96414368
well I mean I'm good with it considering that 3 points gets me something like magically enhanced lungs or a leg that gives super kicks. The tradeoff is that I continue being pretty as the same as I am and can't tap into the magic side of a new world but plenty of other ways to enjoy it.

>>96414388
>Pick pixie
>Do magic anyways
The rest of the world will have to deal with my malformed magic. Good luck to the mathemathicians who have to reduce it to something.

>>96414388
>The tradeoff is that I continue being pretty as the same as I am
*Pretty much the same
My spelling and grammar capabilities start to die off quickly in the night. As you can see I'm no stranger to meandering thoughts and it'll probably be an improvement anyways.

Ultimate Grimoire reminds me of this CYOA-like novel: https://chooseyourstory.com/story/necromancer
The protagonist in that isn't good at normal magic as well.

>>96414368
I think I have something like this, my mind goes to places even when I don't want it to.

>>96414225
>>96414228
Finished the character sheets for the first world.
png version: https://v3.imgchest.com/p/9rydrr8ol7k

>>96414225
https://rentry.org/outer_reincarnation_information

Rentry containing all the information I found.

I am the maintainer of the chronological build list, but other anons maintain the location and alphabetical build list, the world build list, and the map of the Outer Tide(s), so there may be differences between them.

>>96414517
>>96414518

>>96401538

>>96414518
Nice, thank you.

>>96414522
For some reason they aren't touching Outer Reincarnation, just like Entropist.
Are they stupid?

>>96414542
It's because they're invading the cyoag thread, and filtering over from the reddicord.

>>96414542
There's the same reason for both of them.

Do Untimeskipped Mentors who are now companions count for Blazhko's mentor count? I have two free Untimeskips and wonder if that means he will have 3 or 5 mentors.

Looking at Ielziaseh's and Ouk's descriptions. It does read like you would just outright create another Elder God by simply applying it to her.

>>96414607
She will probably regain her sanity and then ascend upon the completion of a massive story written by her by enforcing roles to many many people.

>>96414597
Untimeskip doesn't change that it comes from a mentor slot. You don't get a new mentor to replace what you learned. Consequently, the total number of mentors doesn't change.

>>96414631
I see, I thought it taught and swapped slots with a companion one. Time to redo my calculations.

>>96414517
Looking at other builds there's definitely a few more that are compatible with world 1 is there a reason you're limiting it to 8?

>>96414675
I just read the by-world list the other guy made and checked all of the ones he linked.

>>96414675
>>96414228 lists the overlaps in the columns

>>96414425
Too evil. :|

If you have All-Glimpse and Thoroughbreeding, would your daughter Apantoxia know you willingly chose to be raped at 14 by her mother?

>>96414698
>Raped
>Willingly
you dumb fuck

>>96414711
That's a lot of time to regret the future you picked.

>>96414713
>Retroactively removing consent
fuck off

>>96414695
You can be good or neutral and use dark magic. The CYOA even says as much.
Like fighting evil beings, stopping tyrants, healing people with certain magics, spying on evil cabals of wizards and planting a trail for a holy order of paladins to follow, etc.
You could also be a magi robin hood type nigga that uses shadow magic to improve the lives of many. The possibilities are endless with enough imagination.

>>96414698
If she has the skill to and you let her read so far into your past.

>>96414517
>png version: https://v3.imgchest.com/p/9rydrr8ol7k
>jpg

>>96414517
>>96414779
Corrected version: https://v3.imgchest.com/p/dl7p88ozkyo

Was doing a world ranking for all Outsider System caught entities in power, figured it’s something like:
1. 0^0
2. YMRD
3. The Keter
4 and 5. Nilmatrix/Zenia (interchangeable)

Everything after is headcanon and theorizing so idk. Paxxia’s probably up there, Evdokia could probably reach no 3 pretty quickly, as she has more potential than anyone including the outsider.

>>96414214 (OP)
>>96414225
Here's a list of Ersatz Outsiders. I Included only builds that explained their rolls.

OUR HEROES:
The Watchful Eye https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#q96413605
Chubby Dwarf Mage https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#q96413627
All-Seeing Pixie Slut https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#q96413720
Died in Winter https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#q96413591
Sidhe Adventurer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#q96414177
Above-Average Beastfolk https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#q96413593
Elven Rape Bait https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#q96413644
Shadowy Beastfolk https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#q96413742
Chad Beastfolk https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#q96413687
Will Trade Legs For Magic https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#q96413654
Pretty Good Rolls https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#q96413772
The Power of Mathemagic https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#q96413660
Manlet Tank For Hire https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#q96414199
Portly Blacksmith https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#q96414612
Wandering Criminal https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#q96414815

>>96414680
It doesn't look like anyone in world 1 took feo like this list claims so at the very least Ysereth could be in world one. I'll go through all the builds and see how many more could go in 1 since now I'm doubting the chart but if we wanna cap an amount of anons per instance to make it easier on any writefags thats fine

>>96414789
1. Charlotte
2. & 3. SRTR & YMRD
4. JNPL
5. Rhucuphre
6. Zenia
7. Nilmatrix
8. "One"
9. Katya

Assuming "the Elder Gods let her" theory is incorrect.

First 4 require no explanation.

Rhucuphre is a "Magician without parallel", one of the oldest beings in the world, a world ending threat, and has debatable influence on the deaths of Aat and Erginter and causing the current state of affairs.

At equal age, Zenia > Nilmatrix because SRTR is a bajillion times better at teaching everything than Charlotte and Zenia is nigh omnipotent if only limited by output as "the greatest universalist mage to have ever lived."

>>96414789
>>96414876
I think both of you are underestimating Nilmatrix.

>>96414876
We don't really know "One" and Katya's powers, so I put the former above because he's older and ultimately won his big war.

>>96414885
>>96414876
Counterpoint to "One": He doesn't have any of his inborn gifts. His letters were Vedi+Yee+Zemlya in that order, meaning he reincarnated outside of the Outsider system before becoming undead. (Also supported by Charlotte having his corpse)
He still should be really strong, but he's definitely below Katya.

I for one love our mcyoag redditcord overlords.

>>96414896
There is the possibility of him hijacking mathemagic due to it using his first throne as the basis.

>>96414896
Good point. Losing his inborn gifts, especially Icon of Icons, makes him weaker than Katya.

>>96414883
Nono, I think she’s plenty powerful - it’s just that tank is on record saying Zenia has like a 50/50 shot at killing her if she gets dropped down on her. And that’s even considering that she’s a mathemagician and immune to most magics

>>96414225
So has Tankista elaborated on exactly how slyly you can dodge death with the letters?

For Yat, you have to kill yourself but can that just be forsaking an old identity and going by a new one or does it require you to be literally dead by your own hands and somehow recovering?

Who was the guy who made a bunch of fantasy-world-with-furries CYOAs?

>>96414975
Umineko-style Red Truth bending is probably how you cheat the Death Slots. "No more than 18 people are on this island" tricks.

Holding Savmak sword while having All-Glimpse should satisfy Iotated Ouk right?

Holding Savmak sword while having All-Glimpse should satisfy Iotated Az right?

Savmak has not yet risen as an undead
He is stuck in the sword until someone gets him a new zombie body
You could save him and/or turn him into a cute zombie girl

>>96415015
I should play umineko, shouldn’t I?

>>96414975
Rhucuphere is alive, and she was given Yat by Erginter, and there's no indication that she has the ability to physically resurrect herself. So take that for what you will.

Personally, I like to think that she did something similar to what Ielziah does Seo does and inflicted her role/meaning onto someone else, then murdered "herself". Feels right for her.

>>96415075
Spirit tap him with the Genius traits, the sword has been through so much it'll allow him to instantly re-manifest a body.

>>96415078
If you want an iteration of the four gods, and have the tolerance for weeb stuff, love stories, and shitty pacing, you should.

>>96414225
Going full companion heavy build is suffering trying to figure out the least horrible deaths to give to people. Honestly swapped out Blazhko's Upunth mentor for Rhucuphre to give them Tverdo since I needed the Upunth letter for someone else.

>>96415239
The moral thing to do is to learn necromancy and just revive them free of charge later on.

>>96414368
Just take it with Kneeling Twilight x2, you can lessen the symptoms though meditation and that gives you a "meditate instead of sleep" alternative that will speed up your learning of Meaning related stuff (and you still get a +1 AP).

Is Yat safe to give to Keter?
It's one of the easier letters to dodge but she is in rough shape already, so it might tempt her.

>>96414396
Don't think the mathemagicians will need to reduce anything when you probably just gonna kill yourself trough a misspelling, I guess this is a scare tactic of sorts watching a pixie horrifically mangle themselves trough miss casts due to meandering thought, I guess it kinda works at dodging your death slot it can't kill you if your constantly just killing yourself with magic before it.

>>96415290
It is not
Keter needs love, affection and for fate to go easy on her

>>96415295
Well it just has to have collateral damage then

>>96415299
Wrong.
Zhivete Kako is what she needs.
Teach her to toughen up by experiencing her trauma again.

>>96415290
She is gonna take it in 0.5 seconds do not

>>96415314
If you really hate her why not just give her Dobro instead so she'll get executed in Malkuth?

>>96415322
>Dirk yesod senses keter with Dobro
>He immediatly gets out of his chair and goes feral to kick her ass

>>96414974
I think that's only cause of the fate amp as she is guaranteed to save you from death trough the predestination of the outsider system and killing Nilmatrix isn't the same as permanently defeating her she is empyrean she can respawn. Considering she only costs 3 points she probably isn't some of the most powerful individual in the verse. Katya, Darina, Oko are probably all stronger than her at base, but she is more powerful than them in her deus ex machina moment it's similar to Dobrava encounter rigging are you going to rank her in the 4th place becouse she can kill all of the others bellow God tier in "betrayal most foul"?

>>96415415
By that logic Nilmatrix is also amped up by fate to kill you, as well as by causality by 0^0.

>>96415417
Sure but she is perma amped trough causality fuckery while Zenia is only amped in her one life saving moment

>>96415417
>amped up by fate to kill you
Nta, but it's never written she WILL kill you in the outsider system, it helps her to betray you, not to kill you.

>>96415290
>easier letters to dodge
That, or you're gonna be forced to go through the most horrific, heart-wrenching experiences until your spirit breaks and you finally off yourself.

Meme Toybox build for now.

>Toybox Guy
> Deity: SRTR

>Male
>Adoption (Keter), Dice Fudge (Keter), Outer Tide, Extra Mentor x5
>Mother: Maiosara Yesod
>Father: Pir
>Adopted Mother: Keter

>Southlander Race

>Everman, Fey

>Ethereal Beauty, Everlasting Cognitive Speed, Memory Retention, Wisdom, Intelligence, Attentiveness, Spiritual Feel, Martial Instinct, Caster Intuition, Noble Inclination, All-Glimpse, Stigmata, Icon of Icons, Autoantecedence, Spirit Tap x3
I'm banking on a x3 Spirit Tap being broken enough to manifest any inborn gifts with enough knowledge about them so that they can be converted into a discipline through Tenyota's teachings, I only picked Icon of Icons and All-Glimpse in the case that most expensive gifts are the most difficult to manifests, and I plan to convert them into disciplines as soon as I can too (especially so that Zenya can benefit from All-Glimpse).

> Mentors: Eirina, Arsak, Jisilbert, Kashtanka, Leimeie, Tenyota, Mlada, Rhucuphre
Some are flavour picks (and adding numbers for Blazhko later), but Nezvana, Kashtanka, Leimete and Tenyota are absolute musts. Becoming an inborn gifts savants that can gift them to people (read Zenia) and then teach them how to convert them into disciplines he can then learn is the basis of the whole build.

> Companions: Zenia, Gunter Lilim (Blazhko, Dobrava, Nilmatrix)
I'm gonna assume Zenia won't be there in the toybox unless I confirm her existence by picking her. Picking Gunter with Dobrava and Nilmatrix as a first fuck you to Charlie, I'll not even gonna bother choosing the mentors for Blazhko (at least the toybox lets me avoid choosing deaths for all of them) but he has them and he's strong.

>Encounters: A Score Of Orcs, A Band Of Orcs, A Bridge, A Toll, A Troll
Not gonna do them anyway, might as well use the free companions slots for something.

1/2

>>96415428
Yup, fate amps are really strong, whatever is fated to happen will happen, that why Zenias guaranteed save is so strong, this is why Dobrava is so powerful, similarly why outsiders are so strong, cause they have their letters and encounters guaranteeing their survival, they are pretty much immortal while they haven't met their fated death.

>>96415441
>converted into a discipline through Tenyota's teachings

They can't. Even if they are obtained with Erginter's trick permanently. They must be truly yours for that to work.

>>96415441
>Dobrava Encounters: Shadow of God, By Design, Another Encounter I Don't Care About Unless I Find Something Broken
Congratulations Gunter, you now have an Empyrean Everlasting Dobrava! Have fun.

> Death: Theta
Plan is to enjoy my stay in the Toybox while training with and teaching Zenia with SRTR's assistance, making her an even more terrifying mage while I focus on a more martial build that relies on abusing any Inborn Gift discipline we can create and master in a hundred year time. Charlie won't know what hit her (literally, if Rhucuphre's teachings hold their weight), that is unless she hasn't already be defeated by Team B with monster Blazhko and Empyrean Everlasting Dobrava.

Now to be perfectly honest, I'm kind of worried that what Theta intends is "all your companion choices are actually voided" and in that case I have no true mean to assure Zenia's presence in the toybox. Now, maybe SRTR can just create a random shmuck I can gift and teach but I don't really know if she can or is willing to do that. But in that case I'll just switch to a daemonhost build so I can do that necessary first step by myself.

2/2

>>96415457
NTA, what do you think would Necromancy with combined with Tenyota + Leimeie work as a way to force a person you kill with an inborn gift to teach you their inborn gift, after you taught Tenyotas technique to them trough Leimeie?

>>96415457
Ouch, I'll hold hope that we don't have outright denial that autoantecedence can't bypass that, but if tankista denied even that's one more reason to go the daemonhost build so that I can acquire willing Majin possessing gifts and letters that way.

>>96415482
The autoantecedence Spirit Tap x3 ability to temporary gift any inborn gifts sounds quite op enough already to be able to convert these temporary gifts into Tenyota arts sounds like going a bit too far

>>96415474
Don't see why not, beside needing good enough necromancy to create intelligent undead you can control, you would become discount Alginter but with the added bonus that you can teach the new disciplines to other members of your undead army. Easy to see how it can snowball.

>>96415482
>one more reason to go the daemonhost build
All routes lead to Majin superiority

>>96415507
I think that people are generally undervaluing autoantecedence after tankista responded with a clear no on a few broken examples, like if spirit tap x3 could be made to give a permanent effect. I found an example he gave that could be used as a baseline, a Magician's Hands x3 that gives two spell slots in each hand plus allows you to store them indefinitely as a kind of Multiocular effect. That tells me Autoantecedence is functionally much greater than a simple x3, or maybe that the less a gift costs the greater a bonus you can get from it.

>>96415554
The problem with it (and letters of damned) is you don't know what you're going to get, making it difficult to integrate in your plans (unless you sartre it to get exactly what you want).

>>96415554
well it is powerful its a 5 cost ability, so it should be on a level of other similar powers so nothing too overpowered.

>>96414296
Did Keter kill Pantorai or why?

>>96415554
The whole point of Tank pointing it out is so people don't start making up obviously god like skills like permanently altering people or memes like running back in time or killing gods with their eyes.
A level three is still meant to be very strong but think of it like this, Sonya, a 2 point companion, has triple witchshot, in fact she had that in the old version where it made no sense. She should be a at least whole regiment by herself whenever she shots at something. Very strong depending on the situation and support, but not story breaking.

>>96415554
I think the problem is that pure passive skills are just better. You have a lot of time and active gifts are not that powerful comparing to Ecumene's power. Scaling seems like a logical answer.

It makes happy to hear that Sonya had a "tattoo" only I was allowed to see.

>>96415554
My pixie has autoantecedence mitigating grip and i don't even know how to even shape that lol

>>96415688
You just get sticky hands so you can use it on pretty much anything.

>>96415711
Surprisingly powerful

I'm going crazy trying to find a specific CYOA that seems to have vanished from the internet.
It was a build-your-waifu type about femdom, likely with femdom in the title, or maaaybe yandere (less likely though). One of the choices was about which "dominance" acts she practiced on you, and all of them used illustrations by the same artist, all of them black and white.
It's not Gentle Femdom (which by the way, has no femdom in it whatsoever, what the hell), and it wasn't nsfw.
Anyone know what it is or where I can find it?

>>96414225
It's still an Az build, but here's a guess of how Orkhalorkhan's fate generally would work out.

>>96415749
He starts as an Uruk with no languages
That fate never ever goes well

Would Keter have won if she had taken a real patron god instead of 0^0? What was she even thinking with that choice

>>96415761
She was cheesing it
Charlie probably actually tried to ally her that time

>>96415761
whatever she offered was appealing

>>96415758
I have Stigmata and Zemlya to rig my chances.

>>96415761
Keter wanted to take 0^0 place. You would be dealing with a lesbian beastfolk/majin dictatorship if she won.

>>96415767
>My
It’s literally not you
It’s a really strong Uruk who can’t die for a while

What are the best letters to Zhivete?
Iotated Greater Yus to make a better version of the previous character?

>>96415778
Insert a silent (build's) after the my. I'm still going to be around because of the undead-ism anyhow.

>>96415778
It is him, it just doesn't have memories of earth weighing him down.

>>96415787
It isn’t
The whole point of the rests is to remove the parts of identity that regulate behaviour so that a person acts independently in each life
If people we the same every time they wouldn’t accumulate experiences properly
What that Uruk does has nothing to do with him

>>96415554
>autoantecedence
I'm using it in my build to get Dream Passage x3

No idea what it'll do by growing up with Dungeoneering parents, having Vu'uk and Uponth as mentors I feel like it'd be pretty useful.

>>96415819
Take Esu too he has dream manipulation stuff as well.

Vtorusha is overrated as an Outsider.
No one else had such a broken parent slot to carry the build for them.

>>96415767
>Az+Stigmata+Uruk
This build might be the ultimate NPC experience, it's just a blank slate being directly ordered around by the goddess. At least if you had parents, they'd be imparting their own values and ideals onto you, and you'd still have the adolescent impulse to question them for your own needs. He has no free will, he's a literal golem. This is like a political cartoon of the elder god cultists that ran away from its own newspaper.

>>96415813
You're correct enough, but I'm still arguing that Zemlya means I get to fuck around without Orkhalorkhan being myself. If any of the paladin types spots the memory ghost hiding inside this guy's head, maybe that's the end, but I did just not pick any of the encounters that might lead Orkha to them.

>>96415850
Also, a fix including Upunth.

>>96415836
Your Dei?

>>96415867
Not even close

>>96415836
Her parent choice pretty much ruined her plans though. Without it she would not had faced the logic error.

>>96415836
My mom is far better.

>>96415879
Of course she is. She is your mom anon.

Can't Keter cheat most death letters easily with the Empyrean respawn method?

>>96415883
She also gives me the power to fight 0^0's Divine power.

>>96415894
Extended races explains that it's marginally easier for Half Empyreans to do it, but death slots are fated death and will take their revival into account, events will conspire so it happens unless very specific narrative actions are taken. If you don't work your dead into your story and find a loophole there then you will end up like Savmak.

>>96415688
Pick up the planet and throw it at the sun

>>96415894
She's only half empyrean. That works like Pixie death option. The real cheater is Omega. Read Empyrean race description.
"This letter would take place even taking revival ability into account, making evading it more difficult task than usual (alhough highly impossible).

Toybox Build 2.0
(not super happy with pic I found, but it's difficult to find an image with both horns and a blindfold that doesn't scream edge)

>Ren, Demon Lord of SRTR
>Deity: SRTR

>Male
>Adoption (Keter), Dice Fudge (Keter), Dice Fudge (Dei), Outer Tide, Extra Mentor x7
>Mother: Thonodreth-From-Agartha
>Father: Aat
>Adopted Mother: Keter

>Majin Race

>Everman, Fey

>Cognitive Speed, Memory Retention, Wisdom, Intelligence, Attentiveness, Spiritual Feel, Martial Instinct, Caster Intuition, Noble Inclination, All-Glimpse, Stigmata, Spirit Tap x2, Letters Of The Damned, Daemonhost
Way less points than before, but enough to take all Mind and Sense perks, All-Glimpse cause discerning meaning of Letters will help with spawning Majin with the abilities I want, and I will first experiment on blank temporary templates through Spirit Tap. The Stigmata is mostly a way to ensure we'll have a way to communicate with SRTR once we've been released from the Toybox, it will be transformed into a discipline as well so that my Majin will benefit from it. Too bad I can't take icon of Icons, maybe I'll find a Letter with a similar effect.

> Mentors: Dei, Arsak, Nephinae, Jisilbert, Nezvana, Kashtanka, Leimeie, Mlada, Tenyota, Gewrgin
I've got two main goals with my picks: learning to manage a Majin population to ensure they will stay loyal to me and improve my template spawning abilities and Inborn Gift knowledge so that the Majin I'll create will all have valuable abilities that will synergize with each other when turned into disciplines. Gewrgin is mostly just there since he's cheap and so that we're even better prepared against Empyreans, I'll take into account that most of the information will be probably dated by the time we fight them though (also I'm picking Outer Tide, who knows if Charlie will even be the greatest threat I'll need to worry about by the time I'm released).

(1/2)

>>96415894
Explicitely half-empyreans' death letters keep applying after their death, kinda like pixies. (just realized giving an half-empyrean Yat or Kako has horrifying implications).

>>96414225
Patron God: [YMRD]
Sex: Male
Race: Majin
Death Slot: Buki
Dice Fudge x1 (Free)
Outer Tide

Mother: Phershepa-From-Erebus
-Death Slot: Iodated Lesser Yus

Father: Aat
-Death Slot: None

Languages:
Everman
Late Thulean

Starting Location: Principality of Stygia (Free Yee)

Inborn Gifts:
Longevity
Ethereal Beauty
Spiritual Feel
Caster Intuition
All-Glimpse
Misalliance (Phershepa)
Intelligence
Wisdom
Cognitive Speed
Phantom Wingspan
Seraphic Wings
Wading Flight
Everlasting
Thuroughbreeding
Letters of the Damned
Daemonhost
Warmachina Mounting

Mentors:

Seo
-Encounter: Breaking and Entering
-Death Slot: Ouk

The Kether
-Encounter: By Design
-Death Slot: By Design
-Dice Fuge: Mentor -> Companion


Companions:

Omega
-Death Slot: Ot
-Encounter: Wild and Wilder

[YMRD]
-Death Slot: None
-Encounter: None

Gunter Lilim
-Encounter: All of them
-Death Slot: Iodated Ouk+Yee (He'd win)

Gunter Companions:
Dobrava
-Death Slot: Iodated Greater Yus
-Special Encounters: Playing Traitors, Let the Purgation Begin, To Dream Bigger and Higher
Ota
-Death Slot: Lesser Yus
Evdokia
-Death Slot: Her'V'+Zhivete

Quest: E Nomine


Be born in Stygia by immaculate conception, sorry mom, you'll have to raise me alone, the place seems to be ok with Majin though so it'll probably not be so bad.
I hate doing political stuff, so if the Outer Tide finds anyone that's not retarded, and doesn't want to kill me, i'll help whoever build a kingdom, spawn Majin waifus for them, and do other stuff as long as they're not completely incompetent.
Luckily, Keter knows how not to die to the runes, or so i hope, she also has By Design so she won't need to worry about her Death Rune. YMRD trait seems extremely useful for just about anything, plus having god at your side will help getting Keter of her ass.
I'm grooming Gunter to be an shonen protagonist, he already has a band of quirky hot chicks following him and a friendly rival, he's NOT dying to his rune, he'd win.

>>96414259
Don't forget survivor every of Orthung absolutely hates her guts.
>>96415646
Yes

>>96415916
>Companions: None
>Encounters: A Score Of Orcs, A Band Of Orcs, A Bridge, A Toll, A Troll
Better to use the companions slots for the orc encounters I'll skip anyway. My true companions will be the Majin I'll spawn along the way (man that's a thought, I'll probably be quite messed up once I leave the toybox).

>Death: Theta
Plan same as before, now focused on Majin Letters rather than every kind of Inborn Gift. I'll probably be spawning around one permanent Majin per year, probably more at first and less the closer we come to the deadline, so I have time to truly bond with each of them and become a small but terrifying force. Before being released from the toybox I'll give one last gift to my Majins and transform Daemonhost into a discipline we can all benefit from, and train them thoroughly so that their skill with it will only be slightly inferior when compared to a True Demon Lord. All with a direct connection with SRTR. I kind of expect her to be the reason for my downfall honestly.

(2/2)

>>96415761
We don't even know if she had other god choices, do we? Since the system seems to change for every Outsider, her choices could've been even more limited than ours. Or maybe 0^0 just made it so choosing her was VERY appealing, like a lot of extra points, a lot of anons would chose a god if it was clearly better than the others.

There's nothing wrong with Lyudi, Savmak just played it stupidly by wanting to be around lots of people. If you commit to being a true hermit forever it's free, easy immortality. YMRD is just trying to trick people away from realizing that.

Do Dark Elves count as Elven for the Greatest of Yus Encounter?

>>96415948
You're going to read a death curse planted by the Pandaemonium inside of your hentai magazine.

>>96414789
Awake Darina is no fucking joke.

>>96415939
I choose the lesser hag
I would also like to get it over with and reproduce
If she doesn’t bear me a son within a year(daughters don’t count), I also take the Japanese one, as a second

>>96414789
I think Araith still holds the title of outright most destructive companion since she could theoretically just easily lay waste to cities by herself. Still I think all combat focused companions can be very strong with the right strategy since they can do things you can't, like Ciliren seemingly broken magic laws, Ota people puppets or even Gisela free multicast.

>>96414225
Updated Build

1 of 3

King of the Exarchate & Hegemon of Anti-Ecumene Alliance
SRTR – Blessins of SRTR

Reincarnation
Male A – Buki
True Love (Kalliopa Aureole)
Extra Mentor
Extra Companion * 3
Untimeskip (Kashtankka)

Mother
Senamotis Sarmata B – Qoppa

Father
Marsaget Sarmat B – Cherv’

Races
Human, Southlander

Languages
Polyglot
Everman
Palatiner
Greenspeech
Nymphe

Location
The Exarchate
New New York

Inborn Gifts
Thoroughbreeding
Cognitive Speed
Wisdom
Intelligence
Attentiveness
Spirtual Feel
Caster Intuition
Noble Inclination
All Glimpse
Stigmata
Royal Claim (Exarchate)

Mentors
Maou A – Iotated Az
Kashtankka of the Orthrung (companion) C – Glagoli; Yee
The Keter A – Greater Yus

Companions
Blazhko – (Kilyn of the Orthrung; Jisilbert; Jdan ordo-Dorian) A – Dobro
Kalliopa Aureole A – Zhivete
Omega W – OT
Gunter Lilim (Ota; Du’um; Oko Shtorma) A – Iotated Lesser Yus
Dobrava (Hot Spot Troubles; A Calm and a Storm; Shadow of the God) A – Iotated Greater Yus
Inga Yesod -
Nilmatrix Dobrava

Encounters
Nothing Ever Happens (Omega)
A Bridge, A Toll, A Troll
For Auspicious Beginnings (Kashtankka)
Cut Above, Cutting Lines (Gunter Lilim)
Sage of a Thousand and one Treasures (Dobrava)
Hot Spot Troubles (Blazhko)
A Calm and a Storm (Kalliopa Aurole)
On Sick Leave (The Keter)
A Daring Rescue (Inga Yesod)
Loot in a Box (Maou)
Remember the Demon (The Keter)
Crown in the Gutter (Maou)
Shadow of God (Nilmatrix)

Death
Buki

Youth
Profane Lore
Theology
Natural Philosophy
Uplifting

Quest
Vanitas

Establish myself as rightful King of The Exarchate. Have lots of powerful companions that have abilities and knowledge to wage war on Charlotte. Use my youth meeting companions and mastering the dynamics of this world and accelerating the tech level and seeking diplomatic unity.

>>96416022
2 of 3

Seek to become Hegemon of an anti-Ecumene alliance based in Doria but extending around the world to fight Charlotte. At the core of this is Kalliopa Aureole who ‘True Loves’ me and will give unity of the Empire and my kingdom in the war. Seek to lead a war to push back and destroy the Ecumene. Also Thoroughbreeding should give me powerful descendants to aid me in time should the war be protracted, as it well might.
Also have secondary goals of freeing SRTR from the toybox and reviving JNPL and working with YMRD, I’d say she owes me one anyway for helping Omega. Jisilberts info. should get this off to a strong start.

Companions (The master of my master is also my master, my companions companions are effectively also my companions)

Maou – Should be helpful with both her knowledge and magic and in helping to forge an anti-Ecumene alliance with Stygia and Dis.
Kashtankka of the Orthrung (companion) – Timeskip all her teachings allowing to use max. potential of my inborn gifts. She herself also will have good insight and abilities to fighting Ecumene.
The Keter – Should have a lot of knowledge about Charlotte and I can gain a lot from her failures to beat her.

Blazhko – (Kilyn of the Orthrung; Jisilbert; Jdan ordo-Dorian) – These mentors should help him to deal with magic and beomce a powerful anti-Ecumene hero.
Kilyn of the Orthrung – Share knowledge on Charlotte’s injuries and weaknesses, use to develop moves against Charlotte, also see if she can give advice that Du’um can use. Also seek to heal her and bring her into anti-Ecumene alliance.
Jisilbert – gain more insight into the canon of this world and key information on the Elder goddesses. Can help with their incorporation into the anti-Ecumene alliance and gaining their favour.

>>96416022
Jdan ordo-Dorian – Can use mentorship connection to help develop diplomatic alliance and bring Old Throne into anti-Ecumene alliance and get intelligence from future with time travelling ability. Major strategic advantage to know the future in a war.

Kalliopa Aureole – As future Empress who has ‘True Love’ on myself, we can marry and have a unified dynasty to merge the Empire and Exarchate and form the core of an anti-Ecumene alliance.
Omega – As Charlottes’ daughter should have a lot of knowledge of her and the Ecumene. Through my connection with her might also be able to contact and get assistance from YMRD and get her in on the anti-Ecumene alliance.

Gunter Lilim (Ota; Du’um; Oko Shtorma) – Can have a friendly rivalry with him as to who can contribute more to the anti-Ecumene alliance, rightful heir to the Qliphothian Tumen or the King of the Exarchate. He and his companions should be able to help defeat the Ecumene.
Ota – Strong powers to use against Ecumeme, even a threat to Charlotte herself.
Du’um – Use her powers to try and kill any powerful suitable foes including Charlotte herself. Knowledge from other companions can help such as Eirin; Kilyn; Inga Yesod & Omega amongst others
Oko Shtorma – Heavy hitter in the war against the Ecumene

Dobrava (Hot Spot Troubles; A Calm and a Storm; Shadow of the God) – Perfect outcome in these encounters, beyond that, have her help out as best as she’s able.
Inga Yesod – Has a lot of knowledge, about how things worked and was 1 of 2 key sources to help Charlotte false ascent so should be useful in undoing her and maybe reviving JNPL and freeing SRTR. Will also raise Nilmatrix as Undead after her defeat.
Nilmatrix - With Dobrava’s help, my perfect victory is predestined against Nilmatrix

>>96415827
Thanks friend. I'll consider it.

>>96416022
This feels likely to fail
The three stooges have a loose grasp on the monarchy as it stands, if a foreigner marries in with the active and obvious intent to subvert the monarchy it will be war
It also just generally assumes fate will play nice

>>96416073
>>96416022
The 3 stooges will be dead, it's written they'll die soon after the Emperor, nothing to do with me or her. It's after that, that Kalliopa Aureole will be made Empress, but I should have met her before that and she should love me and we can marry and our children will be heirs to both thrones. So not undermining the monarchy, and marrying between realms isn't that strange in real history and this gives the Empire a powerful ally in their war against the Ecumene. It was the Exarchate that was the most Pro-Charlotte of the Dorian realms to begin with.

As for Fate, well I don't assume it's nice, I think of it more mechanistically. As for things working as planned, well it's said no plan survives contact with the enemy, but you have a plan then dynamically respond to things working or not against your plan. As for what works or not, well only actually doing it would should that. So what changes and counters would be needed couldn't be judged unless seeing what they are. I guess simulating that is what mcyoa is about though.

>>96414517
Well you made me break out my GIMP for this.Congratulations.

>>96416165
Imagine being identified as "Granny Uruk" in one's mind.

>>96416022 #
Dobrava will meet and resolve her encounters before even meeting who she's been partnered with (either you or Gunther), so it's difficult to make sure you have a necromancer ready for her death, and for her to work against Nilmatrix it requires for them to be on Team Gunther, because if you choose Nilmatrix then you have to pick Shadow of God and it triggers the description "this event will occur at the last possible moment" stopping Dobrava from resolving it for you.

Reminder that OR is a low fantasy setting aside from a couple Outliers

>>96416257
Why do we need the reminder?

>>96416257
Nah I could defeat armies just by taking martial inborn gifts

>>96416257
Charlotte?

>>96416257
>Defeatist talk, this poster will never attain Divinity.

>>96416257
>Multioccular O with fuck tons of eyes
>Martial God
>Mage God
>War Machinas
How?

>>96416205
>because if you choose Nilmatrix then you have to pick Shadow of God and it triggers the description
Is there anything actually stopping you from using nothing ever happens or never alone on her? They aren't encounters, just options to avoid picking encounters for those characters.

>>96416270
>>96416283
>>96416287
>>96416290
I'm just parroting something Tankista said on reddit

If you can't take Buki and Ameno and win, without taking any gifts/mentors/companions/etc, then you're basically just worthless.

>>96416257
>a couple Outliers
Yeah, me.

>>96416309
Man versus Author is in full effect.

>>96416309
>admission of being redditors
They are getting more brazen.

Reminder that All-Glimpse is a trap option.

>>96416306
>They aren't encounters
They are. They simply cannot be used with Crossed Fate but otherwise work exactly the same as the others.

>>96416312
>matching: 0 builds

>>96416334
I was trying to confirm something another anon claimed he said there

>>96416341
Nah.

>>96416342
>work exactly the same as the others.
Nope, they're both "ignore this section/do not interact with the Encounter system" options

>>96416312
>t 0^0

>>96416205
I'm not sure how those different points would all work out, but her powers don't just resolve the encounter but does it in an optimal way to benefit me. So I still think it'll be resolved fine, even if the different points pull a bit in different directions.

>>96416350
Every single all-glimpse user in the setting is insane. The most powerful all-glimpse user completely lost it. Dei may be considered the most sane, but she sees herself and all her subjects as a mere tools. I suspect that's because she literally sees them like that.

>>96416341
Elaborate

>>96416383
>she sees herself and all her subjects as a mere tools.
It literally says she struggles to actually do this. It's not a consequence of All-Glimpse, she's making an active effort to do that.

>>96416350
>>96416387
I will not elaborate.
Make your choices wisely.

>>96416341
Fate is only a cage for those who fear it. If you're the type of person who gets hung up on that fact, congrats, you were always going to get dunked on by seeing the blunt nature of this world. For those who'd have an active hand in authoring it and mastering themselves? Congrats, it ain't.

>>96416383
Yeah, and the two Deamonhosts are either insane (by your logic) or dead(ish). The sample group is just too small.
Also, what's wrong with Savmak? It says that if she didn't had all-glimpse she would just be possessed outright.

>>96416343
Moneybags will clutch.

>>96416415
The guy just can't read, the only insane All-Glimpse user is Dirk. He's flat out wrong about Dei, and like you said All-Glimpse is the only reason Savmak isn't possessed.

I've never thought that Bestial Strength is worth 4 points. Can anyone make a good case for it? It doesn't really seem to help you survive against some hypothetical strong enemy, it just slowly makes you better if you could already go against them for a long time. Emphasis on slowly.

>>96416395
She struggles to see herself as a tool. That's probably because she is still not completely insane. But she knows that she's just slave for fate. And you will also be like that in her eyes. I highly doubt thats good for mental health.

>>96416435
>With every blow you land
well just hit faster

>>96416435
Depends entirely on what slowly means. It says every blow traded increases your strength. Let's say you block Nilmatrix attack and she pushes you back, the next one she does as well but it's only a couple of steps, the third strike only makes you wince and after that you are matched. It's the typical shonen skill where the hero is at first easily outclassed while later he is just as strong.
Other than one on one, just find a troll on the battlefield to fight and then rip people to pieces with your bare hands.

>>96414225
Spako is such a good mentor, it's crazy that you can get her for only 1 DP.

>>96416460
I certainly wouldn't interpret your example as slow. That's fast if anything.

>>96416442
Your problem is that you came to a conclusion first, saw one case that supported it(Dirk) then decided to twist any evidence to support it. Dei is older than Dirk and still struggles to see herself as a tool despite actively trying to do so.
>>96416435
It's not worth 4 points, but it's a tool for dexfags to go against things like trolls or dragons. If you want to be a strfag then you're better off investing in mitigating grip x3.

>>96416460
Slow means if you're using it then you think "Damn this is FUCKING SLOW"

Because it's slow

Dirk might be insane but he runs the kingdom like no one else.

>>96416470
I disagree. I come to this conclusion not because of Dirk, but because of how I think knowledge about everything around would affect a person. You can't have meaningful relationships with anyone, because you see their thoughts. You see fates of everyone around you and you can't change it.
If you like that kind of power, feel free to use it. But I would never wish such fate for anyone.
And I would never call Dei sane. Sane people have a life instead of pursuing some crazy goal left by their 800yo ancestor.

>>96416462
>Your advisor is the ghost of the advisor of the dead emperor who whispers things in your ear
It's compensated by people thinking you are insane when talking to her.

>>96416257
>Outer Reincarnation
>The setting with magitech mechs, flying cities, powerful reality warping magic, multiple demon lords, and dungeon dreams that manifest randomly in the physical world
>Low Fantasy
Did-did we read the same CYOA?

>>96416524
>ou can't have meaningful relationships with anyone, because you see their thoughts
so?

>>96416524
>Sane people have a life instead of pursuing some crazy goal left by their 800yo ancestor.
ngl that seems more like a Majin issue than anything, most of them are like that. I think only the Feral Majin escape it.

>>96416543
Take it up with Tankista

>>96416555
The only feral Majin we have is Xet anon, the pure image of sanity.

>>96416309
Have you considered that by interpreting it to be "low fantasy", that you're playing right into the hands of the person who's specifically trying to make it so that there's no difference at all between this world and the fantasy?

>>96416524
>You can't form a relationship with someone if they are 100% honest with you (what they would be if you're mind reading them)
Skill issue, you also only see the future if you "trace the script along it's possible lines forward", it's not something you do effortlessly and passively 100% of the time.

>>96416591
>it's not something you do effortlessly and passively 100% of the time.
maybe you can't, I'm built different tho

All-Glimpse is so good that a human man with it can solo a nightmare abomination dragon the size of an island. If you think it's a "trap" you're nuts.

>>96416603
the power of the 'tism...

>>96416603
Insane-sama, i kneel...

>>96416610
She was a child at the time and was facing the equivalent of dragon terminator, the only thing All-Glimpse did was make him see what she really was.

>>96416603
>say hi to anon
>he just replies with your entire fucking backstory and 4 fucking whole arcs that are to come

>>96416636
Nah, I'm not a modern shounen fan, I know not to give out spoilers to those that don't want them.

>>96416543
>>96416315
>>96416290
I grow tired of answering questions all day, and I am risking getting myself dragged into another QnA session for the rest of this thread.
But I will answer this.
I said it here before, as well, and no one complained in the thread.
When I said that I view Outer Reincarnation to be low fantasy-ish, it means not in terms of amounts of fantastical stuff out there, but general power scales.
Think about it reasonably and fairly. Most of the people in the world would count as Unnotable Ones. Most people do not have a lot of gifts, and even those that do have some do not suddenly become "Goku, Destroyer of Armies" - there are no gifts which make you tank or trade mountain destroying blows. You have to rely on gimmicks to fight other people who also rely on gimmicks.
You were presented people selected by the Outsider System and it skews your perception, but even most of them aren't someone who can go alone against entire armies.
Otherwise, the setting breaks apart. Armies must still matter. Firearms must still be a gamechanger.
Sure, there are things like flying ships and warmachina, but these things are still relatively uncommon, and they mutually counter each other.

>>96416655
>You were presented people selected by the Outsider System and it skews your perception, but even most of them aren't someone who can go alone against entire armies.
True, true.
>Goku, Destroyer of Armies
Now THAT's an Uruk concept worth making...

>>96416646
Thank god. Imagine being happy as fuck that you finally got to start out your bakery buisness and some random fuck with a blindfold is smugly laughing because he has read the manga (godscript) and you didn't

>>96416655
Sorry for asking another question then, but do Nothing Ever Happens and Never Alone count as encounters?

>>96416655
This feels like a conversation of fruits and deserts. Essentially using some descriptors that don't match for other things.
I understand where your coming from. This is more on anon for coming in here with
>Tankista basically said it was a Song of Ice and Fire, stupid. Idiot. Take it up with the author :^)

>>96416681
If you mean about your idea to apply one of them to Nilmatrix, then they will count.
Her requirement states: "Shadow of God only". You cannot apply a different sort of meeting to her.

>>96416694
Got it, so the Gunter strat is still the best play

gunter strat is boring tho

>>96416740
Who cares about "interesting"? The goal is to win the game.

>>96416745
we know this is you 0^0, you can't stop anons from finding true Meaning

>>96415877
Looking at her build she clearly picked that mom less for power and more to make her fucking die, since at Vtorusha's time, her mother (the first and greatest True Dragon) was the most evil being to ever exist (and in our time only maybe Rhucuphre can compare.) But yeah, she would've been better off if she had turned her mom into a mentor THEN gave her some horrible fate.

>>96416745
You have won the game.
Now what?

>>96416745
>The goal is to win the game
But Charlotte conquering the world is me winning the game.

>>96416745
>must get every point I can!
>I will cheat my way into immortality and power!
>Drawbacks? Nah, I'd win!
>It's about winning.
How are you expecting to defeat the Usurper if you display the same mentality?

>>96415916
>Toybox Build 2.0
...Which build was this before? There was no previous Ren, Demon Lord of SRTR build.

>>96416740
Personally, I find it hilarious
Charlie stacked the deck against you and everything, just for her to lose her most important piece to the B team.

I like having Gunter take down Nilmatrix, it's cool to have a badass friend.

The way the CYOA is written makes me think you can romance Nilmatrix and get her to turn on 0^0 by applying True Love to her, and maybe using Dobrava.

>>96416760
Reincarnate so I play the game again

>>96416779
It IS extremely hilarious. I just also think it's a bit lame to not really have to worry about it yourself if that makes sense.
Maybe i just want to stab her myself?

>>96416740
"Boring" works.
>muh meaning
I'm not a lorefag. Kill Charlotte then enjoy immortality with your harem.

>>96416740
what's the gunter strat?

>>96416785
>pic related
Charlotte is so luck...
>The way the CYOA is written makes me think you can romance Nilmatrix and get her to turn on 0^0
Based, everyone love a good star-crossed lovers story-
> by applying True Love to her, and maybe using Dobrava.
And just like that you lost my interest.

>>96416785
Not even JNPL can save these people

>>96416794
>nilmatrix is overtuned to fight (You)
>make her die by NPC

>>96416785
nope, she literally can't betray her master, it is a predestined absolute written in the outsider system, while Dobrava can ensure the best possible outcome, she can not change pre written fate, no one can

>>96416785
I doubt using Dobrava would let you romance her, besides if you really want to seduce her then do it yourself during the fight, how could you possibly need some autist to do it for you.

>>96416785
>needing True Love
LMAO

>>96416770
The same mentality that let her win? Even if her victory is incomplete, even if there are complications and a real possibility to eventually lose.

I suppose you could Greater Yus her with someone via a majin letter, then it wouldn't be her.

>>96416806
>it is a predestined absolute written in the outsider system
It's actually all Causality/Charlie's own power. The Outsider system picked her because she has just enough doubt in Charlie for it to be theoretically possible, but Causality will ensure it'll never actually happen.

>>96416655
Outer Reincarnation is more Fantastical than Elder Scrolls, the Quintessential High Fantasy setting.
99% of the population being talent-less mundanes is a staple of High Fantasy.

>>96416806
The only true certainty is that you will fight. That's what predetermined, after that if you both somehow survive you could possibly manage to make her betray Charlie. It's harder than just killing her but it would make for a more fun story.

>>96416806
Can't you just survive the initial encounter? That is the point where fate and causality converge so it should be possible after the tide passes... Maybe?

>>96416786
You have reincarnated and played the game again. Now what?
>let’s suppose that you were able every night to dream any dream you wanted to dream and that you could, for example, have the power within one night to dream 75 years of time or any length of time you wanted to have. And you would, naturally, as you began on this adventure of dreams, you would fulfill all your wishes. You would have every kind of pleasure during your sleep. And after several nights of 75 years of total pleasure each, you would say “Well, that was pretty great. But now let’s have a surprise. Let’s have a dream which isn’t under control, where something is gonna happen to me that I don’t know what it’s gonna be”. And you would dig that and would come out of that and you would say “Wow that was a close shave, wasn’t it?”.
>Then you would get more and more adventurous and you would make further- and further out gambles to what you would dream. And finally, you would dream where you are now.

Did we ever find out if Majin letters are stronger than spells?

>>96416789
you will need to kill the elder gods to enjoy immortality, they are really invested in killing their world inhabitants and their reincarnation system, they pretty much will allow you to live for a 1000 years or something and then start pulling fate bullshit to kill you.

>>96416806
Fate can absolutely be changed. But even ignoring that, all that is written is that causality means there will be a fight.
That's really easy to write a story around, and easier still if you don't buy into the causality nonsense anyway.

>>96416836
Survive your fate instead dumbass

>>96416758
>Rhucuphre
Everyone did notice that she’s Lucifer, right?

>>96416835
They ARE spells, retard.

>>96416832
Yeah, that all sounds pretty good

>>96416836
>they pretty much will allow you to live for a 1000 years
As if. Rhucuphre is just shy of 1000 years and she got nominated TWICE. And her homeland got nuked.
You're not making it to 1000 years.

>>96416838
it can't be changed, only reinterpreted, its pretty much described in the deus ex machina description what is already written can't be contradicted

>>96416835
Ota can potentially puppet gods if they step in her shadow, if normal spells can do that then archmage builds are OP

>>96416836
Being undead helps, especially if you have Grey Wandering. That and you can do Ielziaseh's thing over really long periods of time, which is essentially just standard changing as a person.

What happens if you choose Aat as an adoptive father

>>96416851
Okay then explain how the Gods can change death letters.
I guess death letters aren't actually fate?

>>96416848
yeah its more of a best case scenario if you focus all your efforts on surviving, like the longest living outsider was Aat and he only lived for 600 and he had to body hop twice, its highly likely your just going to get killed by some god bullshit earlier

>>96416869
It's just a living Inborn Gift, so you're wasting points.

>>96416853
Probably worth it to get Daemonhost and Spirit tapx2 then, maybe even Autoantecedent it.

>>96414225
>>96414228
I updated the world list to correct the error in >>96414872 and add new builds

World 1 Az
A Hero of Justice https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96394815
Moonman https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96371953/#96372789
Speedster Spider https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96379443
Demonic Nightmare Maker https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96379796
The Jötunnsdrottninggen https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96381145
Vëe the Dream Librarian https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96393021
Krinak, Syn Ufroka https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96399372 (ILLEGAL)
Unnotable Lich https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96394709
Aurum Arc the Golden Finger https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96400560

World 2 Buki
Flagellant Gambler https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96380920
Placeholder (96381847) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96381847
Y'Sereth, King among Kings https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96382717
Mer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96400248

World 3 Vedi
Queen of Mamet https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96382899
Orkhalorkhan https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96393938
Qarg the Conqueror https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96404302 (ILLEGAL)
The Inquisitor https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96406963
Gojo >>96415920

World 4 Glagoli
Ҁ Ф ʌ https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96393951
Foolish Dreamer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96398017
Liriel, The Veilbreaker https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96410023

(1/2)

>>96416869
You wait for him to come pick you up after your real parents left you but he never comes.
The best you get is a dream of him telling you that he's off buying some cigarettes.

>>96416880
World 5 Dobro
Escher https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96395910

World 6 Yest'
Vai https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96399427 (ILLEGAL)

World 7 Zhivete
One-Woman Band https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96412498

Toybox
Wanderer above the Sea of Fog https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96401396
Father of the Paracausal Arts https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96400465
Toybox Guy >>96415441
Ren, Demon Lord of SRTR >>96415916

(2/2)

>>96416870
They can't, or at least Charlie can't. Remember that most people's death slots are empty, so far it seems like only the Outsider system actually fills them.

>>96416880
Missing Book of the Dead

>>96416889
Then who changed the Sixth death slot from A to B?

>>96416889
damned*

>>96416895
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/"Book%20of%20the%20Dead"
No such build exists.

>>96414225
Aat was clearly the gods’ favorite Outsider, but what does their ranking look like beyond him?

>>96416904
>>96416900
Is meant for >>96416895
So book of the damned

>>96416870
yeah different system I think that why its called death slots you can slot the letters in and out, quite modular really, undead and empyreans remove it outright. But if something is stated like Apantoxias birth you can't stop it no matter what.

>>96416880
Illegals... The STRONGEST

>>96416777
>>96416887
>Toybox Guy >>96415441
>Ren, Demon Lord of SRTR >>96415916
Pretty sure these two are the same guy.

>>96416896
JNPL the whole killing people thing is her domain, she created the whole death slot people to ensure everyone dies

>>96416896
It's possible that before he was born because he said he was going to go Humilitas, otherwise why doesn't Charlie just change your death letter to Kako? Is she trying to lose?

>>96416880
Didn't placeholder get a name last thread Twynith something I think?

>>96416880
>Krinak
Oh right. Switch the patron to JNPL, case closed.

>>96416928
Found it here:
>>96411519

>>96416924
I think only JNPL has the authority to change death slots, she probably gave herself admin privileges when she created the whole death slot thing, but I do wonder since 0^0 has her corpse maybe she could find a way to use it to gain excess to this power.

>>96416806
That's why you NEED 0^0's approval for your marriage with Nilmatrix.

>>96416895
>>96416918
>>96416928
Alright I'll fix these in the next update.

>>96416936
Do you have a link to Krinak's updated build?

Couldn't you give Nilmatrix to Blazhko, and use the fact she's guaranteed to betray him to set up a trap with him as bait?

>>96416655
Thanks for the thoughtful answer, great cyoa, etc

But what about 0^0 personally. Does she really ever _need_ an army to win battles against other armies and to capture outposts?
>"Sweet outpost there, but I have no army. Oh well! I'll go back home and play with my pony."

>>96416966
I'm good without the ascension, thanks. Though with Ielziaseh's method you can live as long as you like and still get progress if you care about it.

>>96416655
Sure but you also get people who can completely fuck reality and/or become gods by writing real good

>>96416969
huh, Nilmatrix isn't immune to dice fudge so you can move her into a Mentor slot. Or make her adopt you.

>>96416880
Do mentors/other companions taken by Blazhko or Gunter count for overlaps? Trying to make a list of all the chosen characters, at least for World 1 to make it easy to go through and see what's taken already.

>>96416655
I didn’t say this enough in my build but thanks for the update, I love it

>>96416975
>I'm good without the ascension, thanks.
You don't want to become a GOD?!

>>96416966
No! I'm back to life and this time for good!

>>96416978
You cannot Dice Fudge companions anon

>>96416978
Companions cannot be targeted by Dice Fudge.

>>96416985
It won't be (You).

>>96416978
>>96416993
There's also the fact that she has to get the Shadow of God encounter, and that encounter specifically requires her to be chosen as a companion.

>>96416993
>>96416994
This is probably true but ymrd implies it isnt

>>96416993
>>96416994
Bruh, it's always the little details

>>96416985
NTA but it's only (You) if you consider this theoretical future god composed of your experiences to be continuous with the identity of the present you. I wouldn't

>>96416979
Good question. I assumed characters taken by Blazhko, Gunter and Dirk count as overlaps when making the world lists but I never looked for an official answer by Tankista so don't quote me on this.

>>96416962
>Do you have a link to Krinak's updated build?
No. I already posted it a few times, and doing again to change four letters that doesn't influence anything else seemed superfluous. Perhaps I'll do it next thread.

What if you pick Keter and Dirk Yesod as your adopted mother and father?

>>96416985
Nope. Being a wizard is enough for me.


Though... You could optimize for ascension by going Daemonhost, inner sight, Ielziaseh, Spirit tapx3. Create perfect copies of yourself, give yourself the letter to absorb your created Majin, send them out to go before new people with Ielziaseh's method. Eventually you assimilate them back again while still making new clones. Storycraft by shotgun Hail Mary.

>>96417012
Would Dirk count though considering that he's just using All-Glimpse fuckery to divine their teachings instead of actually having them physically involved.

>>96417022
>perfect copies of yourself
That's gonna kill me faster than Esurient Walking from birth to Charlotte with Buki.

Charlie's such a hypocrite, she mocks you for playing around with other people's lives while she's literally doing that with Nilmatrix and Evdokia. Hell she's more invasive with it since your mentors, companions, and all else can leave you if you're enough of an asshole. Nilmatrix literally can't betray her no matter what.

>>96417036
Did Tank ever confirm if taking Buki with Charlie as a mentor/companion is as suicidal as it seems?

>>96417036
Addendum: Requires certain mental conditions. Not everyone is cool with being the clone and re-becoming the original via fork merging. If you're cool with it your clones will be. That and the letter ideally does it by force at any range.

What do you think are some of the most overpriced or underpriced options in OR?

>>96417038
Anon, she mocks the idea of paying you for torturing your friends, because you'd enjoy it, and immediately after she pays you to torture her daughter.

>>96417030
Dirk counts if you ask me. All Glimpse has a range right? Dirk would've needed to meet those characters picked for him in the past to work his All Glimpse.

>>96417048
If you don't mind getting a deadbeat dad then Stoyan can give you 10 points worth of gifts for 1 ancestry point.

>>96417038
Yeah, that’s kind of the point. She’s just a screeching, projecting anon

>>96416841
Lucifer wants to rule, Rhucuphre does not.

>>96417061
He shouldn’t count because his time is separate from the time of the other mentors
He can teach you in parallel to the original teaching someone else
Also, all of them exist in every timeline

>>96417066
In fact, if you get adopted by an unnotable one instead then you get paid for it since you leave with +11 ancestry points and having paid nothing.

>>96417048
Overpriced: Beastial Strength, Bulletproof Skin, Iron Stomach, Witchshot, Reks.
Underpriced: View of Fore, Spako, Ielziaseh, Dobrava.

>>96417048
Some 1 cost companions are underpriced, Gunter, Blazhko and maybe Dobrava, and that's without doing that lame "Nilmatrix kill strat", which i didn't think it would work if the author hadn't said so himself.
Gunter straight ups gets 3 companions of any cost for free, and your paths will "constantly intersect", that's a lotta of people to help you, he's also your friendly rival, so he doesn't want you dead, just don't be a dick to him.
Blazhko gets 2 mentors for free so he can be a powerhouse probably, and Dobrava knows mathemagicks and gets you 3 encounters guaranteed solved with good rewards.

>>96416966
People are afraid they won't be able to manage it in one life. If they don't manage it this life, and die, then their identity, personality, and their entire self gets completely erased. The soul =/= you in this setting, so death is the end.

Are Majin created through daemonhost considered progeny for the purpose of throughbreeding?

>not bringing Nilmatrix to your side by appealing to the bonds that you've forged in your time together
After she sprung her betrayal, of course. Gotta pay lip-service to Fate.
Honestly, it's like some of you have never read a traitor-with-doubts-turned-ally story before.

>>96417089
>Dobrava
She's goated, but if you don't have her kill Nilmatrix then she's just an autistic mathemagician and she's not guaranteed to kill her if you buy her instead of putting her on Gunter's team.

>>96416655
I missed out telling you this on the original release but Outer Reincarnation and the theme of it really hit all the correct marks at the right time for me and sent me into a direction which helped me overcame writer's block and bad literature habits. I am quite thankful for that to you.

>>96417044
I have asked a similar question before in the previous version of outer reincarnation he has answered this about the question of 0^0 as a companion

"It could be done, yes, but it’s also risky.

I am planning on making it clear that 00 won’t know which choices you’ll decide on, so her being directly your Companion will let her guess them more easily. Since all she needs to mess with your fate is to avoid interrupting other already defined fates involving you, seeing these other fates get resolved right before her eyes will make it simple. Where otherwise you had a solid chance of avoiding contact with 00 if you give her no reason to engage in hostilities (and therefore no reason for her to actively affect your fate), now there’s no alternative to her getting involved with you.

This means that either you and her inevitably fight in the end – and this is worse than normal because she’s right next to you – or you actually manage to truly befriend her. This latter outcome could lead to any kind of resolution: some kind of redemption arc, or your defection to the Ecumene to fight the Elder Gods together even, or anything else I can’t think of at the moment.

Are you a bad enough dude to use the causality techniques you’ve untimeskipped-learned on their own original source to make her your Companion for reals?"

>For Buki how far can you stretch the interpretation of fated confrontation. Would a non violent confrontation like a verbal argument, a debate or even a game suffice for fulfilling the fate?

For the scenario where you have 00 as a Companion, you mean? That could be sufficient, but just by having Buki you’re already lowering your odds of successfully getting along with her if she realizes that.

>>96417097
No, nor are created uruks or Thaumiels nightmare creatures. Its called ThoroughBREEDING for a reason.

Why the hell so many people pick True Love?
I understand if you use it for free if you got the Blessing of [JNPL], but otherwise it just seems like wasted points, you are pretty much gonna be a handsome badass powerhouse unless you are purposefully trying not to be one.

>>96417048
Underpriced is Blazhko, Gunter, Dobrava and Omega. I'd like it to stay that way.

>>96417048
I think Thallan is an overpriced dad desu, but being overpriced by 1 point isn't 'the most'.

>>96417109
Impossible. True Love is the only way.

>>96417048
Uruk isn’t rewarding enough. Giving up gifts from both parents and becoming an evil ugly orc thing is not worth 5ap, 5dp, and the inhumanity perk.

>>96417066
You can even refund those gifts for pure AP if you don’t want them. That’s probably the best way to make a pure caster build.

That makes me wonder, which parents give you the highest net ancestry point refund?

>>96417126
They like me(I didn't pick it) know that they'll 100% fumble if given the chance.

>>96417109
Normally it won't happen, fate decreed so, I made some plans to try and defy that, like killing her, closing Charlie's plot for her, and then using Inga's research on her.

>>96417140
It's the Hard Mode.

>>96416880
Here's the list of chosen characters in World Az, including those chosen by Blazhko, Gunter, and Dirk Yesod. Krinak seems to be the only person who has overlapped with a couple here, with Strokad, Baf, and Mocnaeth.
>Mothers:
[JNPL] (Hero of Justice)
Plevaka (Speedster Spider)
Dei (Demonic Nightmare Maker)
Pu'un (Vee the Dream Librarian)
Phershepa-From-Erebus (Krinak, Syn Ufroka)

>Fathers:
"One" (Hero of Justice)
Uruk Horde (Moonman 2, The Jotunnsdrottninggen)
Dryndedh-From-Agartha (Speedster Spider)
Pir (Demonic Nightmare Maker)
Afanasiy Sauromat (Vee the Dream Librarian)
Detmoun, Syn Ufroka (Krinak, Syn Ufroka)


>Mentors:
The Keter (Hero of Justice)
Jdan Ordo-Dorian (Moonman 2)
Dirk Yesod (Moonman 2)
Mlada (Moonman 2)
Spako (Moonman 2)
Gwriel (Moonman 2)
Jisilbert (Dirk Yesod)
Pukluxun (Dirk Yesod)
Half-Ascended Thamuiel (Demonic Nightmare Maker)
Seo (Demonic Nightmare Maker)
Strokrad Syn Berheaka (Blazhko, Krinak Syn Ufroka)
Arsak (Blazhko)
Lyndis of the Doria (Blazhko)
Leimeie (Blazhko)
Zlata (Blazhko)
Gewgrin Aureole (Jotunnsdrottninggen)
Feodwra (Vee the Dream Librarian)
Upunth (Vee the Dream Librarian)
Zu'us (Vee the Dream Librarian)

>Companions:
Blazhko (Moonman 2)
Kalliopa (Moonman 2)
Dobrava (Moonman 2)
Esu (Demonic Nightmare Maker)
??? (Demonic Nightmare Maker)
Baf (Demonic Nightmare Maker, Krinak Syn Ufroka)
Izbor (Vee the Dream Librarian)
Omega (Vee the Dream Librarian)
Gunter Lilim (Vee the Dream Librarian)
Mocnaeth-From-Erebus (Gunter Lilim, Krinak Syn Ufroka)
Gisela (Gunter Lilim)
Darina Tempo-Achaena (Gunter Lilim)
Jarnigit (Krinak, Syn Ufroka)
Brastat (Krinak, Syn Ufroka)

>>96417126
just a waifufag thing

>>96417113
She has other uses. Something I noticed with the discussion of companions here is the lack of realizing that you can learn from them as well. They may not be the best mentors, except Blazhko, but you all can still work together and learn from each other as did the other Outsiders before us.

>>96417048
Adopted parents should cost much more, because they allow you to refund all points for your original father and mother selection while keeping gifts.
Jdan cost makes no sense, unless he hates you deeply for a certain reason.
Dragon King Most Divine Realm gives too much points with optimal language and location selection.
Overall low cost companions are underpowered because of high cost of additional slots. Basically cost of Spako is not 1 point but 4 points because you need a slot for her. Compare that to 9 cost of Keter or Omega, it's a not a huge margin.

>>96417140
Someone made a spreadsheet for that.

>>96417126
They don't have faith in their own charisma or know that the characters they want wouldn't look their way without it.

>>96417126
Insecurity.

>>96416971
Not Tank, but it looks like yes, and the Ecumene is agonizingly overstretched right now. She has spent the past century playing a single player map-painting thing game. And she has set herself up to be Persia moments before Alexander the Glory Hog runs a train on her brittle exterior army right into the interior.

Her position in Poluden still hasn't wiped out the Uruk and is dropped in priority with trying to drive the Dorians out of Tsoshu, her holdings in Mamet are coastal and like to be overrun by an actual effort from the interior, and her control over Tsoshu is likewise held together by naval dominance and active concentration. She has needed to win battles and hold land to get this far, but because she doesn't have any real opposition it has left her in a weirdly vulnerable position if we take stock of the quality of her holdings.

To defeat the Ecumene as an entity there are a few key strategies needed. Unironically copying the anti-Japanese WW2 model provides a starting point.
>Contest the Oceans to ensure her power base in the old homeland can't support the colonial ventures. Ideally through a combination of aerial, naval, and land based ventures
>Ensure that attention of the Ecumene is divided, forcing them to divert attention to all three of their continents along with the broader naval war, preventing force concentration and allowing an aggressive attacker to win chosen battles
>Overwhelm the intelligence gathering activities of the Ecumene while actively leading insurgent efforts, primarily in the outer regions of Tsoshu where anti-military efforts and ethnic grievances can be exacerbated.
>Avoid getting caught in 'decisive' battles and focus on the encircling of enemy positions, gutting supply lines, resource depots, ports, and the like while allowing a lack of fuel and hunger to do the real damage.

>>96417126
It’s free with JNPL but yeah otherwise it’s not worth spending points on anything but power. You’re already strapped for cash if you’re getting the good shit, no need to hinder yourself further.

>>96417140
Uruk should be removed, I'm tired of Uruk players crying they're not the strongest option.

>>96417156
this is one of the reasons why Leimeie is one of the best mentors, you can teach your companions to be good mentors

>>96416880
Have you skipped me?
>>96407496

>>96417126
Aat thought just like that and his waifu rejected him. Imagine picking someone to be your designated love interest for her to reject you.
And despite what some people think, it's not mind control, events just happen in a slightly different way so the feelings develop in the first place.

>>96417180
we need to kill all the Uruks as the 11th outsider than the 12th won't get it as a choice

>>96417181
I already said it, but >Blazhko+Leimeie+That old wizard guy from the father section (with dice fudge)
Is a very strong combo.

>>96417187
>noimagefag gets skipped
There's a life lesson in there. Get an image, anon.

>>96417193
If only it was that easy.

>>96417181
Exactly. Give her to Blazhko and you get your own customizable mentor out of him. Since he matches how many mentors you have, that's multiple free mentors in one.

>>96417180
>Uruk players crying
They're not true strugglers thus should be ignored.

>>96417126
I want to live?
Picking only power options means having no place in the world
A place to come home to is worth more then a bigger gun, and a loving relationship is worth more then 1 ancestry and 1 destiny point

>>96417180
Uruk should give you immunity to causality o algo

>>96417207
The living Curse proves you can use magic to target an entire race and the Uruk are inherently dream-related so it wouldn't be a stretch to create a mass extinction spell for them whether destructive or just turning off their spawning powers.

>>96417207
yeah... killing all the Uruks is probably harder than defeating Charlie. You know what I will do a deal with the devil and team up with Charlie just to get a better chance to wipe out the Uruks

>>96417127
Omega is only underpriced if you use the rune to absolve her from death or give Charlie what she wants, if you gonna use her to full potential it's gonna cost -5 DP. Whatever [YMRD] plans to do with her.

>>96417187
>doesn’t reply to cyoa
>”why am I not noticed?”

>>96417200
NEVER!
I'm not even sure on this being THE build I want to make, there are a lot of options I'm interested in, especially after knowing thoroughbreeding can give death to the author.

>>96417218
go do a Vtorusha and kill the concept of Uruk

>>96417226
You've got a point

>>96417218
Didn't Yphont do exactly that?

>>96417075
I meant that her name is literally Lucifer

>>96417218
>kill all the Empyreans from your mom's basement

>>96416841
I didn't. No fucking way.

Vedibros, what are you going to do if the 12th goes for a Uruk build?

>>96417260
Go for traitor option obviously

>>96417260
Drop on my knees and beg for mercy.

>>96417260
Teach them and hope they also chose Fiert, Yee, or Zhivete+New Body Death for their sake.

>>96417214
Nigga, you can get that without that option, people do it without fate all the time.

>>96417188
Yes, one person rejected him, he could've had many others but was probably busy or his story merely doesn't report it. You can spawn Majin waifus if anything, Omega probably wants your dick too. Just don't be a turbo autismo and you'll get someone, a lot of chicks there are anime girls, not catty women. And not even true love guarantees a loving waifu.

>>96417260
Break into the zoo and teach them
But don’t let them out
We know how that ends

>>96417260
Fiert them as part of training them, then never let them switch back

Shout out to my boy Siggard who knows how to resurrect people thus solving your death issues.
>>96417260
I don't mind mentoring but I will slap anyone that True Love's me regardless of race.

Aat is a real one for letting Underground girl off like that. If the next outsider Yat'd me, I'd go lich and kill them the moment their plot armor came off.

>>96417274
>And not even true love guarantees a loving waifu.
Skill issue holy shit

>>96417188
Rejection is expected and normal. Just because you fail a few times doesn't mean it's over for you.

>>96417235
yes

>>96417283
Anyone who would kill Yphont is pure scum, besides it's not her fault that everyone thought he was his dad. Now if it wasn't a misunderstanding, then we're getting active.

>>96417283
if your a necromancer, the you can technically break their plot armor by turning them into your undead slave

>>96417274
“You can do it without the option”
I can do anything without a cyoa, what does that have to do with it?
I simply deem it worth the cost
Also, romance is both hard and expensive (in time and energy), you should obviously recognise the benefit of having a woman guaranteed to love you

>>96417274
>he could've had many others
See I don't think you understand how a 'waifu' works if you think "So she rejected you, but this unnotable peasant likes you!" makes up for missing out.

>>96417301
Kill yourself then. Aat did.

>>96417283
Anon, even some of us got confused at the Aat/Xian ordeal. She regretted her choice the moment the mistake got exposed.

>>96417307
>I can do anything without the cyoa
You can't guaranteed you'll have a troupe of anime girls going on epic adventures with you.

>>96417312
Sure, I was going to go Lich eventually anyway

>>96417309
If you think only unnotable peasants will like you, then you're either an Uruk or have a massive skill issue.

>>96417315
Regret is meaningless, it doesn't make up for anything.

>>96417260
>guy turns himself into a fodder for others
His funerals.

>>96417307
>you should obviously recognise the benefit of having a woman guaranteed to love you
>guaranteed
You don't understand how that devalue the love itself?

>>96417173
Okay but that's all by distant implication. But if you imagine how it looks up close?

Like, you're a captain of a castle somewhere.
One day you see 0^0 approaching, alone.
Do you think, "Our walls are pretty thick, and we have a bunch of mooks with pikes and rifles. So we'd have pretty good chances in a fight against her"?
I know the Orthrung destruction was supposed to be a special thing but still, the way I read OR, it seemed to me like against 0^0 (individually) this kind of regular warfare wouldn't matter, she would walk all over you, only heroes can obstruct her.

>>96417323
Demilich*
Herleva proved you don't need to go all the way to get your death slot removed

>>96417307
>Also, romance is both hard and expensive (in time and energy), you should obviously recognise the benefit of having a woman guaranteed to love you
Damn, if your not willing to put in the bare minimum time and effort into the relationship your probably gonna get dumped, True love only guarantees that they develop feelings, you will need to put in actual effort to develop the relationship after the starting point.

>>96417326
The same is true for revenge.
Nta.

>>96417328
The value of love is love not the struggle preceding it.

>>96417307
I'm starting to think True Love is for a certain kind of people.

>>96417335
You just hate True Love as an option. Let anons have fun. It's not worse than Uruk.

>>96417328
I don’t, no
People are influenced by petty things. You are not an observable entity and therefore cannot be loved without an eminent trait of yours showing itself and an internal or external trait of another leading them to love you

>>96417142
>Anon, the 11h, despite being a handsome super powerful destined hero surround by cute girls and likewise powerful guys, will fumble with quirky anime girls
Are you an Uruk by chance?

>>96417325
See, I don't think you understand how an 'argumentative example' works if you think I'm only talking about unoteable peasants. I'll stop being cute and be direct for a second: the point is that if you have a waifu you want HER. Getting someone else, even if she's queen of mesugaki island or whatever the fuck, doesn't make up for missing out on your waifu because your waifu was important to you. Get it?

>>96417338
Revenge can remove problem actors.

True love is bad because it doesn't work.

There are like three outsiders who picked it and got rejected or broke up.

>>96417349
Yes I do, thats why i dont pick it.
Uruk is worse tho, you lose a lot of inborn gifts because of it, plus probably make a lot of enemies, trash option.

>>96417338
Actions have consequences and revenge is a necessary act to make people remember it

>>96417361
I will ignore this fact and pretend it's because they're bad players.

>>96417332
Other than empyreality I don't see any reason stabbing Charlie wouldn't work.

>>96417361
They didn't research into Meaning of True Love enough. Always spending time on things not important.

>>96417335
The time and effort of romance comes from having to will they won’t they like 50 people for any chance at finding a half decent girl
Going on dates with a woman who loves you and showering them in affection is the goal, not the quest

>>96417360
Yes, but if they're well-intentioned like Yphont it's better to collaborate with them, revenge by itself isn't helpful.

>>96417352
Irl or?

>>96417345
Yeah, I am also starting to think that Tankista added this option as a critique of waifufags, but the waifufags genuinely think there is nothing wrong with the options

>>96417307
>Also, romance is both hard and expensive
Depends who you're going after. If you want to woo the princess of a kingdom, sure. But if you want to hook up with a woman who loves the thrill of combat over jewelry or one that gets wet over knowledge than a bouquet of flowers, your finances may be safe. As for the romancing itself, same thing. It's better and easier if you actually share interests and ideals with one another. Same for irl

>>96417374
That collaboration with Yphont didn't accomplish anything and just got them both killed.

>>96417366
>revenge is a necessary act to make people remember it
False 0^0, I'm pretty sure Yphont remembered her mistake without revenge needed.

>>96417365
I hope you didn't pick Companions and Mentors either then. You can find them yourself and befriend them without the Outsider System.

>>96417361
True love is good because it works as a retard tax

>>96417332
>But if you imagine how it looks up close?
0^0 is required to be in other places, her entire system is held up by holding onto the Pillar of Providence and JNPL's corpse for manipulation.
Sure, she could go out and try and crush something directly, and could probably do it. But each time that poses a risk. Even if it is a tiny risk she's already suffered personal defeats in places that she shouldn't have.

This is what Tank meant when he said there is a nominal logic underneath all of the Ecumene Mathamagics and Warmachina. She's operating a nation hell-bent on domination, and like with all nations that decided to have such a big brain moment like that, there are fundamental weaknesses. You aren't like to deal with Charlie, but you are dealing with her globe-spanning empire full of fallible mortals.

>>96417345
>>96417377
Okay now you're going way too far to justify to yourself why you didn't pick an option.

>>96417366
Consequences for what? She had absolutely no way of knowing that she was being tricked. She made a bad decision for the right reasons. Going full edgelord in response is a loser move.

Anons just pick someone you will mesh well already with true love simply to make it better. The best lovers are the ones who are bestest friends forever afterall.

>>96417390
Whether or not I picked the option is irrelevant to my observation.

>>96417361
>There are like three outsiders who picked it
Who are the other two? Katya broke up with Thaumiel because she blames her for running away

>>96417385
It accomplished a fair bit, her study of the curse stopped the Uruk.

>>96417398
No I'm pretty sure trying to project intent like that implies your choices are very relevant.

>>96417392
I was saying that without regards of the context of the conversation because i am distracted rambling about my build choices.

>>96417378
>It ain't easy bein' green

>>96417388
Don't say it like that.
Again, if the anon is simply insecure about his ability to woo people normally and/or want a little help to start the romance, there is no need to shame them.

>>96417400
Aat and Charlotte

>>96417355
Just get over you oneitid geez, but yes I get it. Too bad even true love doesn't guarantee anything, just like >>96417361 said. I'll concede it probably helps a lot, but you still need effort and not being a turbo retard uggo.

>>96417387
Don't forget, no parents that don't match. You're literally mindraping them to have a child even if they wouldn't like each other.

Reminder that [JPNL] is a shipper who loves the drama of romance. That's why True Love isn't guranteed but it can make for messy relationships that's popcorn worthy to watch thrive or fall apart.

>>96417385
Thats on Erginter.

Was the discussion about True Love this important in the original release?

>>96417390
Just saying using fate to manipulate people into loving you is quite a peculiar behaviour

>>96417412
>Aat
He didn't
>Charlotte
Not sure she did? She doesn't seem like she'd need it, but it would fit her hypocrisy.

>>96417345
No shit, that’s true of most like options in cyoas and a bitch about it constantly. Imagine needing to waste points on getting someone to like you, holy shit.

>>96417412
>Aat
Not him, but did he really use it?

>>96417387
Finding someone who moves around and convincing them to join you and some wacky adventure is way harder than getting along with someone who's already destinies to accompany you. But what you said is indeed true, you can form a country even without Royal Claim or learn a certain magic even without picking a certain mentor. But your priority should be surviving and fixing things. It's what Aat the hero would do.

>>96417437
People like guarantees I guess?

>>96417400
I'm sure the one that married a queen for the throne then divorced her and started a war because of it did

>>96417385
All the people who got to live without being murdered by Uruk would disagree

>>96417430
I wasn't there, but considering I saw shitposts of "nobody proved 0^0 wrong" about it I believe there was at least a bit of it.

>>96417421
Technically you're setting up the circumstances to get them to make that decision themselves. Fate works around the mind here, it seems. I have no idea how you'd get a fudged Dirk to get with a fudged Keter, but such is the skill of YMRD/SRTR/JNPL, apparently.

>>96417437
Do you have a girlfriend?
Describe her to me

>>96417446
Yeah he fits, but that still doesn't prove that True Love doesn't work like >>96417361 said
Both cases are the Outsider breaking up with their True Love target

>>96415724
>I'm going crazy trying to find a specific CYOA that seems to have vanished from the internet.
>It was a build-your-waifu type about femdom, likely with femdom in the title, or maaaybe yandere (less likely though). One of the choices was about which "dominance" acts she practiced on you, and all of them used illustrations by the same artist, all of them black and white.

The only femdom cyoa that's "vanished", as far as I know, is ShittyAnon's Rough Femdom. Some of the /tg mods hate it, but it's too big for /trash. So it's almost never posted.

However, it doesn't match the rest of your description. The art is color, from a mix of sources, for example.

Maybe, maybe you might consider "Femdom" - about dating a dominant girl in high school - to be "lost", too. But like ShittyAnon's, it doesn't match the rest of your description.

Are you sure it's all black-and-white matching art?

>>96417453
SRTR isn't doing anything, explicitely YMRD is pulling double duty to cover for her.

>Pick True Love
>It works exactly the way you hoped
>Meet another girl that wasn't part of the Outsider System who joins your party
>She's better than the one you chose
>The two of you get along and she off-handly mentions she would have been with you if you weren't already married
>She's not into sharing or cheaters

What do you do?

>>96416610
As anon said she was just a hatchling at the time. I bet she can solo him at the rematch.

>>96417446
You can't blame True Love for what Sarmat did, he married her, divorced her, then warred with her on purpose. His thing was binding his fate to bad people then fucking them over, he chose to betray her, she didn't betray him.

>>96417453
Dirk is just tsundere.
>Stupid Keter you ruined everything, deleted a continent, abandoned your mission, and made me look at Ytorusha's unhinged 700 year old fanfiction she has been making in her loneliness.

>>96417441
>It's what Aat the hero would do.
Remember how people viewed him before the update? What a turnaround.

>>96417433
Just using fate to manupulate people into suicide or giving a birth to you is completely fine and morally white. This argument is stupid about cyoa where fate is the main concept. Just go full 0^0 worshiper then and do not get any mentors or companions. Why fated love is considered taboo while fated friendship is ok?

>>96417467
Does that not apply for a regular romance?
Are you a whore?

>>96417470
>>96417462
I'm not trying to prove anything, anon asked what other Outsiders may have used it and I was just mentioning him as one.

Noble Inclination is right there, so is ethereal beauty. If you're not an utterly unlikable monster at your core you'll find someone eventually. Hell you may not even need those.

Personally, I'm not really one for romance, I'd rather learn to carve mountains into awesome fortresses with magic.

>>96417467
How's my relationship with my original True Love target going?

>>96417478
How was it?

>>96417480
I wonder if it's the optional nature of the perk?
You have to pick Mentors and Companions, but using True Love or Malice is entirely your decision? I wouldn't know.

>>96417493
The point is I don't want "someone". I want a specific character.

>>96417487
Anons are manwhores.

>>96417478
I only played after the update, I don't know how people viewd him. Please, enlighten me.

>>96417497
You don’t at all need to pick mentors and they explicitly can teach you by choice

>>96417497
You don't "have" to pick Mentors and Companions though. Hell, Tank made it better to not have them with the Encounters.

>>96417401
Erginter fixed that one real quick.

>>96417512
A person you true loved also can decide not to sleep with you.

>>96417418
You keep proving you don't know how humans work.

What’s missing in this debate is that I actually find hypnosis really really hot

>>96417497
>You have to pick Mentors and Companions, but using True Love or Malice is entirely your decision? I wouldn't know.
No, you don't. There's nothing stopping you from being JNPL's child and being raised by One to release him from his undead state. After that just buy all your Inborn Gifts. It's the only morally correct build if you don't want to mindfuck people. Just take all the Uruk encounters with your empty slots.

>>96417453
Hate sex, anon.

>>96417487
There is an extra layer of potential internal conflict because (you) chose to True Love her. Had you not, you may have gotten with the other girl instead.
>>96417494
Pretty good. She loves you dearly after all.

>>96417515
I just use those encounters to get 1AP and swap 1 DP for 1AP.

The Elder Gods must be thrilled to have so many varied readings.

>>96416655
I know you said, you don't want a qna session, but I'll drop some questions regardless;
What's Dream Passage's range? do you need to sleep right next to someone to enter their dreams? can you hope from one dream to another? and what happens if you kill/sex someone in their sleep?
We know that [SRTR] is sealed inside of a dream, is it possible to locate and free her?
What's the difference between a dream realm and a dungeon?
Can Dirk Yesod tell if that you are born out of [JNPL]? Would that be sufficient enough for him to let go of his grudge against Keter if you have her as a mentor?

>>96417523
But only if you job

>>96417496
>>96417510
One of the more disliked Outsiders, rivalling Erginter and 0^0.
>"This guy is to blame for the Uruk?"
>"This guy is responsible for the Majin shenanigans, ruining the world?"
>"This guy tried attacking Doria?"
And so on.

>>96417535
>Pretty good. She loves you dearly after all.
Then there's no need to end things, I'll stay with my wife

>>96417480
Is it friendship? They might just accompany you ala employees or mercenaries, or just fellow soldiers. They're with you on your journey but that may not mean they're you're friends.

>>96416655
My question, do you know how much I love you?
Do you know how much I love hearing from you?

>>96417543
[SRTR]'s location is known to the renegade theologian mentor.

>>96417548
Good man. I wonder how many anons would fall into temptation.

>>96417535
Why would there be extra internal conflict?
I liked her from the moment I saw her, liked her more when I read about her, then she liked me back and we married
It’s just romance with an omnipotent wingman

>>96417467
I'll get with the new one.
>b-but your wife
She's an NPC. It's like refusing a new car because you have memories with your relic with wheels.

>>96417545
Well, people probably lacked thr information that we have now. Some of it was an accident, it's not like he was an utter retard or evil bastard.

>>96417572
>NPC
True dragon mentality right there

>>96417572
These are the people who deny true love
This is their true nature

>>96417545
He really should have chosen a different parent option though. That one’s still kinda on him.

I tried making a martial build but damn it's just kinda dogshit. I don't think it's viable when compared to magic.

>>96417572
That "everyone is NPCs, only I'm a person" attitude is just asking to get get punched by a plucky hero later.

>>96417569
>Why would there be internal conflict
There wouldn't be if you're faithful and loyal or
>>96417572
You're this guy with True Drakonic Soliphism

>>96417577
I'm pretty sure that's the joke with Yphont. She misread or his profile in her version of the CYOA didn't provide her with the truth, she operated on the same misunderstandings we did in version 1, and so slapped him with a death letter to try and kill him. Then in person she realized she was wrong. Maybe the lesson there is to not be so quick to try and pull a Sarmat because the system doesn't tell you everything, and you might make a mistake.

>>96417572
This is the risk with picking Outer Tide, you might end up tiding with a True Dragon in disguise.

>>96417589
Martials basically have to go Spider.

>>96417589
Martials are fake
Lords are the only real competition to casters, as was written in the old tomes

The real trick to being a martial is to be a caster that self buffs, take the wreath.

>>96417572
trvth nvke

>>96417454
She has short dark/bronw hair and is tanned at the moment.
She likes to go out and sports specially swimming.
We met at the local church just talked for a while our parents became friends so we started seeing each other more often that's when we startded to hook up but our parents don't know yet.
For now we plan to tell them once I have a serious job and she finishes middle school.
I would actually marry her but I haven't talked about it with her just ironically brought it up to her but she doesn't seem opposed so I have hope.
She's kind of smart actually but has trouble concentrating so I volunteer to tutor her she might want to go to college like I did.
I dunno for now we are happy.

>>96417572
"This world is fiction. We are the only things that are real within my sight. The rest are all disgusting lies. If this is so, then it doesn't matter what we do to others.

No matter how depraved or horrible our actions could be, I consider it all to be meaningless. In light of that, it is my obligation to drag this world through the mud and ruin the tale, whatever it might be.

There is only us, and even the narrative of fate is merely an illusion. It is up to me to prove to the storytellers that their works are worthless, to punish them for daring to make something like this.

And so, I shall inflict as much dread and suffering as I possibly can. I know they cannot avert their eyes. I shall tear out the heart of what they consider to be their marvel, for what they depict is beautiful cannot possibly be anything but abominable."
—11th Outsider

>>96417589
There has literally never been a CYOA where going martial was a good call if you could have been a mage

>>96417601
So Rhucuphre might be innocent?

>>96417580
They were right. People are scripted. Some descriptions even have future events. Philosophical zombies, meat puppets of the Gods at best.
>>96417582
I picked True Love because it kickstart the romance plot in a clean way. It's not a promise to stay with her forevermore if the relationship doesn't suit me 30 years down the line.
Are you free or not?

>>96417589
Savmak didn't need to be a nerd to conquer a continent. Just pick big things and beat people to death. Unless you just a casterfag in disguise.

>>96417616
Oh, alright. Good for you I guess
I still would rather certain, known and pure love then love that is abstractly natural

>gets isekaid to a cool fantasy world
>gets to determine their own fate and life, live forever, reincarnate, or ascend to become a god
>free to do anything one can imagine
>immediate edgelord spergout
what causes this phenomenon

>>96417616
>and she finishes middle school.

>>96417616
>she finishes middle school
A...Anonymous

Mages are also martials, you must enlighten yourself to the versatility of magic. A mage is not just a frail fireball thrower, a mage is one who uses magic. Strengthen yourself, cloak your weapon in power, make yourself faster, gaze into the future a split second. Etc etc.

What defines what kind of build you are is how you use magic.

>>96417633
You are scripted too, Tiax Ulmanat.

>>96417633
The man in the future is only me in that the descisions I make today shape who he will be
If I choose the easy path I lose myself to the world
I am defined by who I choose to be and I have chosen to be a generally moral individual, within my own knowledge and limits

>>96417655
>all that shit
I just want to be able to punch hard enough to kill god

>>96417453
The only thing adoption guarantees is that each adopted parent has some sort of caregiver relationship with you, and that you learn their languages. It doesn't actually guarantee that the two adopted parents are together as a romantic couple (or that they stick together for long if they do form a couple).

I'd assume that Katya adopts you like an actual kid and Dirk shows up at your location because the All-Glimpse told him that's where he needed to be. They work together to raise you because they both have reasons to care about you, even if they also both know this is outsider system fuckery. Maybe they take the opportunity to talk about the past and work shit out, maybe they start hate-fucking, or maybe they decide to sleep in separate houses and only coordinate about your upbringing. That part's up to them.

>>96417633
>They were right.
Actually, they were wrong. That's why they got nuked nearly out of existence. Even if they were right, it wouldn't be them who truly exist, but the Elder Gods themselves since they are the writers of the narrative.

>>96417650
>>96417654
He’s one of us
I hope to find a similar deal some day

>>96417665
And you could do that better if you invested in the Wreath

>>96417665
You can do that, with magic. Or being a Majin with a letter that gives you super strength. Muscle wizard/Paladin.

To put it in elder scrolls terms: Use Fortify spells.

>>96417673
This is how you end up creating insane women. Once she realizes she fucked up as an adult you can expect divorce, abuse, self-harm and suicide if she doesn't poison you.

>>96417674
>>96417678
That's gay

>>96417649
Freedom.
They're now "free" to spergout while they were restraining themselves in Earth, like a high-pressured valve of autism.

>>96417649
Many imageboard users are foul minded immoral people. It shouldn’t be a surprise how they’d act given unearned power.

>>96417048
Most overpriced gift is definitely Bulletproof Skin, 4 ancestry points for a shitty half-assed forcefield, is absurd. Zlata teaches something 1000% better and only costs 3 destiny points.
Most undepriced gift has to be either Throughoutbreeding or Look of Chaos. Both are worth way more than 1ap for what they deliver.

>>96417663
You are free to choose hard path and start Uruk.

>>96417688
Uruk is too hard and not worth it.

What is their so much hate for my boy Reks?

>>96417680
>once
>realises
Feminism has failed because feminists are not happy
Viewing the world through the lens that power is cruelty means choosing between suicide and evil

>>96417649
Lack of control and power in their current lives. Unless you are talking about Charlie, then it's because she fucked up and now is making it everyone's problem.

>>96417688
I did actually do that
Moonman here

>>96417694
Because he REEKS lmao got 'em ayyyyyyy *finger guns*
...More seriously, his gimmick is to make sure you always get back up, but it implies losing a lot, and people don't like losing.

>>96417687
I think evil eye x1 is stronger than look of chaos x1, but when you get to x2 its the other way around as look of chaos can be turned off

>>96417695
Anon, a child is being groomed.

>>96417703
I'm pretty sure Charlotte underwent
>Lack of control and power in their current lives
too with the indentured servant plotline.

>>96417706
He literally humiliates himself
And he is competing with magical powers
If he gave +2 I might pick him

>>96417719
If you need a bribe to take the character, you'd better of picking someone else.

>>96417703
Charlie's life and reincarnation would be a comedy if she didn't insist on it being everyone else's problem.

>>96417722
Yes, I did

>>96417687
I agree that Thoroughbreeding is undervalued, but the sheer amount of fate fuckery and drama you could cause is through the roof. I’m actually surprised previous Outsiders didn’t breed like rabbits, in the style of PPP+

>>96417706
It's just being determined and knowing how to turn loses into victories. I imagine Katya would be in a much better place with that.

What companions and mentors would most likely fall in love with you if you don't True Love them? Assume you have Ethereal Beauty, are not an Uruk, and aren't an asexual undead.

>>96417710
Evil Eye is more of hindrance than a gift imo. And as you said, Look of Choas x2 completely blows it out of the water.

>>96417601
Yphont fake YMRD scholar didn't even read the google drive

>>96417736
Most people aren't actually breed obsessed anons. It's all fun and games until you need to take care of children. Just one is a handful and after a couple you just lose the desire for more.

>>96417736
Through breeding is excellent as long as srtr stays in the box
People talk about beating Charlie but delaying the fight is the only way to live a happy life

>It's the gays that are child groomers! We have to protect them!!
Meanwhile...
>>96417616

>>96417742
Geminara, forgone conclusion thanks to the Old Throne.

>>96417682
>>96417686
>>96417703
It's just strange to me that someone can get everything they could ever want (and more) and still be a hateful, spiteful, bitter little chuddy about it. Mountains of gold, true love, time, family, political power, godlike powers, actual godhood... even forgetting your past, if it's too painful. You could have anything you want and you still decide to flip the table over like a child. Like what the fuck is the goal here?

>Unless you are talking about Charlie, then it's because she fucked up
Explain?

>>96417694
His mentorship is just too hyperspecific. If you want something similar, Arsak has generalized tactics and strategy for one point more, and that should include knowing how to handle defeat. Arsak's advice is probably deeper and better because it's more specialized, but it's still hard to justify spending a mentor slot on him.

>>96417742
That depends on you anon

>>96417714
I wouldn't say so she is very mature and is the one that pushed me.
If you could see her smile you would know.

>>96417760
*Rek's advice is better because it's more specialized. Me dumb

>>96417559
She just knows the name of dream where she's sealed. Not its exact location.

>>96417742
Ya know, on that subject, I originally didn’t take Ethereal Beauty because 1) I don’t wanna be THAT good looking and 2) I figured I’d be fine with what I got, considering my parents. But then I got to thankin…what if I draw the short end of the stick and end up with the worst features of both? What if I get a tiny dick? Imagine going through teen insecurity for a second time knowing you were better looking and better hung in your boring earth life

>>96417758
Did you ever see someone having a bad day, then being grumpy at everything?
It's similar. They hate everything, and all the benefits you've listed are merely tools to enact their vengeance on existence. The abstraction needed to realize it didn't really matter - or that it doesn't matter anymore - is out of grasp for them.
Pity them.

>>96417760
use his advice on The Keter

>>96417589
Become a devote follower of 0^0 and gain her anti-magic blessing then go kick the casters ass

>>96417758
>Like what the fuck is the goal here?
Spoiled, petty, lack of self-worth, jealousy, depression, mental issues the list goes on. Some people can have everything they want but something in their brain can't accept themselves while others thrive.
>Explain
Her choices made through the Outsider System ended up with a hard life as a child and her parent's suffering. From this she sought revenge against the Elven race that put them through this thinking she was in the right. She succeeded but more things went wrong and she started blaming the gods instead. In her quest to take them down, her ascended locked her to this world when she has had enough of it and wants to go back home to earth. But she can't. She's a god now. She fucked up.

So she takes it out on the rest of this world with a goal of turning it into the earth she knew, takes it out on the outsiders, and ultimately wants to end everything along with herself. This would have been fine if [JPNL] was still around because then all those dead souls could reincarnate. But since she is "dead" they can't, so everyone would truly die. All because she fucked up and can't accept it.

>>96417627
Black Magic

>>96417804
The optimal thing to do in black magic is learn healing rituals and both extend your lifespan and make ludicrous amounts of money with no risks or corruption.

>>96417784
>Pity them.
Since you don't really talk to Charlie directly, that's probably the funniest way to have your first meeting in the end of the war. She likely has all her misanthropic lines prepared but only to give her kindness and compassion for her as your motivation to defeat her.

>>96417681
People who want to be 100% mundane earth humans but somehow as strong as fantasy creatures and wizards are dumb as shit. It's more realistic for you to use fightan' magic than to just unga.

>>96417645
I'm not him btw
>>96417650
>>96417654
>>96417754
lol you caught my joke

>>96417768
As an adult, it's your responsibility to know better and say no to a child. You do realize that their brains have not fully developed yet and at that age, they lack foresight? This happens countless times and more often than not does not end well for the kid when she is older. Usually ending up trapped, divorced, selling themsleves or addicts.

>>96417821
No the optimal thing is to unga bash every black mage you see before they can start sucking a toddler for his semen

>>96417758
She gave her human parents the fate of dying in glorious battle with the twist of living, then sent them to elf land
So they lost in battle and were enslaved, then had her

>>96417687
>>96417736
Thoroughbreeding is only as good as the other gifts you have. By itself it barely does anything.

>>96417785
Counterpoint: Dice fudge Keter to be your mom and pair her with Yen. Yen uses her empathy-detective powers to help when things are bothering you, and angelmom being sad is probably bothering you. Also Katya gets a new majin gf who is, you know nice to her.

I'm going to hug Charlie

>>96417844
Wait, this doesn't allow you to be born as an Empyrean, does it?

>>96417803
>This would have been fine if [JPNL] was still around because then all those dead souls could reincarnate. But since she is "dead" they can't, so everyone would truly die. All because she fucked up and can't accept it.
Nah people are still reincarnating, Charlie made Evdokia as part of plan to destroy the cycle of reincarnation

>>96417839
Imagine the elder gods just make some guy be born with thoroughbreeding, the only thing he can do is give his children a 1/4 chance to inherit it, which might just repeat the cycle

>>96417857
How would it?

>>96417716
Nobody was against her when she was just smashing up the First Empire for being shitty, it's when she started slaughtering elves like cattle and ranting about how it was the Elder Gods' fault that she lost her friends.

>>96417782
To be honest, Ethereal Beauty is even worse than True Love. It fuckes with everyone perception of you, hidding your true self with a disguise of good looks.

>>96417854
Not everyone deserves hugs, anon.
Talk-no-jutsu can't get us out of this pickle

>>96417803
Reincarnation is still happening, it's just that JNPL is no longer ensuring that each life has Meaning, so total ascension is stalled. Charlotte created Evdokia precisely because she hasn't successfully dismantled the cycle of reincarnation yet -- she's still working on it, and if Evi works out she'll do something to scale the Evi idea up.

>>96417870
>Talk-no-jutsu can't get us out of this pickle
skill issue

>>96417868
No?? All it does is make you physically attractive.

>>96417870
I do think she does deserve peace and can probably find some, perhaps in death, but she absolutely needs to be put down for everyone’s sake. You can be practical while showing empathy.

>>96417844
If you are going that route you should just pick One and Keter.
Since he would be essentially parenting both of you given Keter's track record and One's personality. He is also one of the few beings in existence whom you both could relate to on a personal level.

>>96417829
I would never let my stereotypical tomboy gf to end up like that

>>96417879
And that by itself is the most disgusting lie. At least True Love fuckes with your perception for a single person. While Ethereal Beauty affects everyone.

>>96417870
you just need a lot of talk no jutsu, ethereal beauty, noble inclination, Icon of icons, social mentors and untimeskiped Word of God while forcing Charlie into companion, might work

One just seems like a stand-up kind of guy

>>96417844
Keter would just abandon you in the woods like she did to her last child

I'm pretty sure(hoping) that guy was joking so
>You do realize that their brains have not fully developed yet and at that age, they lack foresight?
How would this affect reincarnators anyway?

>>96417905
You would probably become slightly retarded and childlike

>>96417870
Maybe not, but through selective application after getting her ass thrashed could be more viable.
Carrot (this world and your view of other people are not as dire as you would imagine, and while you can't undo your past you have control over your future.)
And Stick (please stop being an evil god or you will continue to get your ass thrashed.)

You can find your love with your own actions or you can use True Love option.
You can become a handsome man with your own actions or you can use Ethereal Beauty.
It's the same.

>>96417858
>>96417876
In that case, Charlie should just find a way to off herself like how she found out how to be ome an Empyrean. Once reincarnated the slate is wiped clean and she would live a normal life.
>>96417870
Her reason for doing all of this shit is because she's sad and angry. That's exactly why talk-no-jutsu would work on her but you still need to be able to beat her ass down enough to listen to you.

>>96417493
Noble Inclination just feels so fake and manipulative to me. Its not something a genuinely charming person would have.

>>96417829
Ah yes people don't have will and agency until they have reached an arbitrary age. It isn't like people can be ready to do certain things at wildly different times.

>>96417899
>>96417916
It's just natural, physical beauty, retard. It does nothing to make you less of a sperglord.

>>96417905
OR doesn’t work on irl laws, so I say that baby Outsiders keep 100% of their mind.

>>96417903
Being around One for just over a century was Meaningful enough to ascend one of his companions. He was him.

>>96417919
Indeed you can work on your own charisma and leadership skills or you can take Noble Inclination.
But somehow people have no problem with Noble Inclination unlike with True Love.
I really don't understand it.

>>96417927
While that is true, the cognitive speed text says this:
>Contrary to popular belief, mind is not fully its own existence, being mostly a product of the body
So you probably are impaired a bit but not as much as an actual child.

>>96417916
This. I also took no mentors or companions because I can convince them to help me without brainwashing.

>>96417926
It's unearned. If you want your love "natural", you have to work on your appearance too. Not take it for granted.

>>96417919
Genuinely charming people already have it, just like genuinely athletic people already have Martial Instinct, and how genuinely ingenious people have Caster Intuition.

>>96417927
100% of your mind, sure, but your actual brain will still be developing for many years. This is sort of a blessing and a curse. So you want be simply an adult trapped in a baby’s body, because that would be weird and drive you fucking insane, but instead you’ll be a baby with flashes of something more. As you grow and come to terms with what’s going on, it’ll be difficult but likely rewarding. I feel as though your teens years will be the worst, since you’re going to be hopped on hormones but have an adult’s canny. I mean, shit, look at what One did. I’m surprised that’s not more common.

>>96417944
Physical beauty is never earned, retard. Take the intelligence gift next time.

>>96417944
It's no less unearned than any of the dozens of other inborn gifts. If leveraging the halo effect aids in your quest, why not be beautiful?

>>96417589
Magic is Martial in the world of OR anon, remember that the majority of warriors in the cyoa use combat magic to buff their physical attributes and heal themselves. Going pure inborn gift str build is waste.

>>96417951
>I’m surprised that’s not more common.
I don't know bro, no disrespect to One, but trying to raise yourself as an infant seems kinda retarded to me.

>>96417919
>Noble Inclination just feels so fake and manipulative to me
it's only manipulative if you use your charisma to manipulate others?

>Its not something a genuinely charming person would have.
that's like saying you aren't a real swordsman because they wouldn't have martial instincts, or that a real wizard wouldn't need caster's intuition
A charismatic person would indeed have charisma, even pieces of shit can get away with some things just because they are in some form charismatic. I don't know what you are talking about anon

>>96417958
Not more unearned than True Love.

>>96417962
Savmak did just that and conquered a continent and Sarmat and One had similar ideas. Saying that martials are suboptimal or unviable is clearly wrong.

>>96417905
Magic bodies in magic world. Development works differently and Outsiders are likely exceptions. It does make me wonder if people can pick up on Outsider children since they don't act like children. If you are living as an Outsider in secret, imagine being grouped with a bunch of other 5 yr olds or worse, 2 yr olds if you're human. I would like to know how each of the other races develop though.

>>96417919
>>96417937

It's explicitly sensory gift. It just makes you better at reading social situations, and with that understanding comes confidence in how to act.

The way it works on other people is exactly the same as if you'd developed the charisma yourself, it just makes developing that charisma come naturally to you.

>>96417918
>Once reincarnated the slate is wiped clean and she would live a normal life.
True, your soul in OR has nothing to do with your identity, personality, or selfhood at all.

>>96417902
Well technically your not manipulating their perception your just good looking, it seems like all the people have common points in their views in what constitutes physical attractiveness. Don't really know how that even happens maybe YMRD is enforcing some universal standard of beauty.

>>96417965
I'd do it
I'm built different

Can I Dicefudge One as a Mentor or do I absolutely need to have Adoption to choose him? I'd like to have him teach me stuff, but having to lose out on spending time with my Mother and Father is a bit sad.