Thread 96438120

I would like to present the hypothesis that the creation of /qst/ was detrimental to /tg/ as a whole.

>>96438120 (OP)
The hypothesis has already been proven years ago.
Quests aren't games, simple as that. And when people here learn that the story"games" that function exactly like quests aren't games either, the board can become a better place.

>>96438135
>proven
*disproven

>>96438120 (OP)
/qst/ was the natural outcome of the previous decision to move all Quests to /tg/ instead of letting them be on their thematic homeboards.
That decision caused /tg/ to become flooded and necessitated the purge which unfourtanly took a most of the boards energy to create OC with it.

lets see how /qst/ is doing right now...

>>96438168
/qst/ has been a dead board since it was created to solve the problem of 90% of threads on /tg/ being quest threads.

>>96438135
>>96438138
Retard

>>96438195
>90%
It never even remotely approached that level.

>>96438120 (OP)
The creation of /qst/ was a symptom of a deeper detriment to /tg/ thst was already a factor before the new board was even an idea.

>>96440087
I never gave much of a shit about quests, but over the years I saw people constantly exaggerate those numbers. I think what the more honest ones are doing is looking at the percentage on certain archive sites, unaware that those sites are voluntary-archival and they don't archive any threads unless somebody specifically requests it, which gives you hugely inflated numbers for the quests.

Using archives that grab everything, the peak number during The Dumpening was closer to 15-20% of the board IIRC. Which I guess looked like a lot if you're a front page user, but there was plenty of room for other threads.

>>96438120 (OP)
I just think it's interesting how the creation of /qst/ coincides almost 1:1 with the board slipping into irredeemable shit.

>>96438120 (OP)
Funnily enough if this board had ids like /qst/ does the quality of posts would skyrocket overnight

>>96438120 (OP)
It was detrimental to questfags, which they've never recovered from and have continued to seethe about endlessly. If questfags were truly so important and vital to /tg/, then /tg/ would have died and /qst/ would be bustling with activity. That did not happen.

>>96438135
interactive story with choices and consequences of those choices = game
that's how it is and your gay purism and jerking off to crunch won't change that

>>96440087
>>96441851
The problem with quests is that whenever you went on /tg/ the first couple of pages would be 90% quests. Even if the absolute number of quests wasn't 90% it turned away users when it looked like the board was dead outside of questslop.

How is it the first several pages were nothing but quests (implying they were popular and constantly bumped ) but as soon as quests get their own board suddenly quests are dead I wonder

>>96442159
never happened

>>96442159
>using the frontpage
Who even does that anymore?

>>96442159
I vividly remember the days when quests would be cycling so fast that any newly made thread needed to be bumped constantly to keep it from being dragged to the bottom of the catalog, between generals and quests and everyone else bumping their threads to keep them from being buried and ignored under the hurricane of bullshit.

Every board has always suffered under Sturgeon's Law where most threads made were crap. Stat me threads. Elf slave wat do. Alignment threads. etc. Bullshit made for the sake of making bullshit. That's bad enough when you're looking for the few good threads where real discussion and interactions are happening. Now, consider how bad things are now and how we've got fags constantly spamming combat wheelchair threads and "y no guns in dnd?" and martial vs caster shit... But there's now also 20-30 quest threads, and another 20-30 general threads, constantly jostling around in the catalog.
>But that's only about 1/3rd of the total threads
Yes. And the other 2/3rds are 90% spammed shitposts. Quests were UNDENIABLY a huge problem.

>>96442224
I'll deny it. I didn't even run a filter and it was fine, I never once had this terrible problem you guys cry about.
I opened the catalog and skimmed for anything that looked interesting, whoop-de-fucking-doo

>>96442224
happened only in your dreams

the peak number of quests up at any single time in /tg/'s entire history was 10, and it happened years before /qst/ got made

there were never more than 2-3 quest threads up on average

>>96442243
>>96442258
>there weren't that many quests
>also /tg/ is dead without quests
which is it, questfags

>>96442324
>quests were bad
>the board got way worse without them
very very interesting

It's too contemporaneous with the overall decline of the site to really pin the exile of quests as the sole cause of /tg/'s decline.

>>96442375
>it's just a coincidence bro, pay no attention

It may not have been the exile of /qsts/ themselves that directly lead to board decline, but most of the board's creatives and intellectuals participated in quests, so exiling them had the effect of demoralizing the board's quality posters.

>>96442405
Ah yes the intellectual stimulation of elf quest # 32. And how could we forget Naruto quest #15? The enigmatic Bleach quest #24

Quests were almost entirely randumb bullshit, anime fanfic bullshit, or fetish bullshit.

>>96442436
It must have been popular to be on thread #32.

>>96442475
The 1st quest on the front page is on #246, yet you'll say /qst/ is dead.

>>96442324
/tg/ was dying before quests got moved, the move only hastened things as quests at least brought in new people from other boards. Most of them were utter faggots, but some percentage of newfags always turns out to be cool, and a board needs that influx or you get nothing but bump generals and bot posts

>>96442258
Dude, I remember nights where there were 4 different Pokemon related quests running at the same time. Then you had long running bullshit like Mahou Shonen Butler and Magical Futa Slime things.

>>96442584
>duuude it totally happened i remember

>>96442258
Absolutely bullshit.

In the spirit of this thread I would like to ask a question that might seem somewhat pedantic. Did the complainers actually believe that the board being clogged by shitty bait threads was preferable to it being clogged with quest threads?

>>96442618
When questfags were here it was clogged with both.

>>96442618
There needed to be one less category of thread types clogging up /tg/. The real problem arose when other quest-type threads (called CYOAs on boards like /a/) were forcibly funneled into /tg/ even though they were fine where they were. But, at the time, "game" threads were perceived to be a problem on those other boards, so they had to stop, but when people pointed out that /tg/ had too many fucking quests now, retards would insist that there weren't that many or that it wasn't a problem or to just ignore them, right up until the mods agreed and made the /qst/ board that even some questfags were saying 4chan needed.

>>96442324
>>96442510
This is the real truth about quests, they brought in new (for /tg/) blood by forcing /tg/ to engage with the rest of the site during a time where the first generation of /tg/ users who made shit were ageing out but quests themselves.
Once quests were moved to their own board they died out because quests were never their own thing, they were extension of already existing board cultures across the site and separated from those cultures mostly died on the vine.

>>96442663
There was less bait then because you didn't have mods actively protecting it for some mysterious reason.

>>96442672
>the first generation of /tg/ users who made shit were ageing out
The didn't "age out," they were driven out and/or banned by Nazimod. Then we got filled with retards from /a/ and /v/, and worse, cross-site vermin from GitP, reddit, and other shitholes.

>>96442672
>hey were extension of already existing board cultures across the site and separated from those cultures mostly died on the vine.
How can other boards being forced to post on /tg/ be "board culture" but a board being made for users from any board to post a certain kind of thread not be an extension of that board culture also?

Like others have pointed out several times already: The narrative about quests and their immense importance is contradictory to the point of incoherence.

>>96442673
The never ending streams of "Elf Slave, Wat Do?"
"Why is /tg/ so Atheist?" and "Touhou You'll never know what it is like to have your sister eat your intestines" threads beg to differ.

>>96442696
Most young people have the stubbornness to try and push back, but once you get older and have other things to do with your life all it takes is someone like nazimod to put up a barrier for them to decide its not worth the effort and never come back. That, and people wanting to monetize their work are what I meant by ageing out.
>>96442749
Because /qst/ has always been barren soil since quests are not a culture into themselves.
Using the word cultures was a bad choice. What I meant was that when Quests came to /tg/ they brought their users with them and they became, through quests, part of /tg/ and drew from its culture with giving back. But most of them came with the quests and ultimately left with the quests but with no foundational board culture to draw upon on the day to day quests still mostly died out.

To use another boards example /co/, past the "/co/ is love" era, survived off of people coming from off site to partake in new release threads where not only could they talk about a show or comic, but there was always at least a handy link to a pirated copy of the content in as the draw.
From there they would filter out into other /co/ threads and engage with the board from there.
When the shows and comics that warranted discussion and piracy7 dried up so did a lot of /co/'s traffic.

Now its not 1-1 but the same core structure of people coming for quest threads and engaging with board culture is the state /tg/ was in. The difference is that comics and cartoons can survive without the need for an active board culture. While its been shown, Quests cannot survive without a board culture around them for the newcomers to engage with outside of the quest threads.

>>96441987
/tg/ IS dead, somebody post the graph of threads over time.

>>96442884
>/co/, past the "/co/ is love" era, survived off of people coming from off site
oh hell no, I'm not believing anyone who says that /co/mblr was a good thing
/co/ is one of the worst and normalfaggot infested boards on the site

>>96442907
I never said /co/mblr was a good thing, just that it kept the board alive until it didn't.
I will fully acknowledge that it was a shitshow but it was an alive shitshow and the value of that is a different argument.

nobody wanted /qst/ or quests gone except some deranged mod who had deluded himself into believing quests made up half the threads on /tg/ and was obsessed with getting them out (he's also no doubt the same guy defending his own decision in this thread currently)

when /qst/ was actually made he expected quest posters to see his genius and move willingly so he'd get to keep the moral highground of not having to force them out but turned out he really was a miniscule minority and no one agreed with his retarded decision

so instead of learning his lesson he went mask off and forced them anyways lol

unsurprisingly /tg/ got way, way worse, and fast, with people like this in charge

>>96442884
>Most young people have the stubbornness to try and push back, but once you get older and have other things to do with your life all it takes is someone like nazimod to put up a barrier for them to decide its not worth the effort and never come back. That, and people wanting to monetize their work are what I meant by ageing out.
Notably this happened to 4chan's /vt/ board recently. A combination of moderator malfeasance and the sharty pwning 4chan when Gura graduated led to almost all of its activity vanishing for an entirely separate site. This was no minor thing, ONE thread on /vt/ was often the fastest-posted part of the entire site.

>>96442971
Ah yes, the eternal questspammer cope.

>>96438120 (OP)
I would like to counter with the indisputable fact that metathreads are cancer and this is just going to be yet another slapfight between uninformed retards pretending to be oldfags and nothing's going to change.

>>96442194
According to the people who screamed about quests back in the day, everyone.
It wasn't believable then either.

We did the math back in the day, absolute peak quests was approximately 30 threads at a time, and that was 2 years before /qst/ was made. The day /qst/ was announced, there were less than 5 quests on the board, including at least one that was autosaged and wasn't planned to have a follow up thread until the next week. Overall, quests made up about 8% of all threads over the previous 5 years before /qst/ was made.

>>96438135
>>96438138
F/SPBP
Get rid of the CYOA spergs and the board will be paradisaical

Pretty much. All the dumbass /pol/ rejects stayed to inject culture war shit into every topic while all the creative players left. So easy to predict this board's downfall after that.

>>96441987
This is all that needs to be said, really. /qst/ is dead because the threads were inherently parasitical on /tg/ and its culture.

>>96442673
>there was less bait then
Excuse me, commissar...

>>96442884
>To use another boards example /co/, past the "/co/ is love" era, survived off of people coming from off site
/co/'s finest hour was when Erfworld died and literally everywhere else on the internet banned discussion of the reason.

>>96442971
>nobody wanted /qst/ or quests gone except some deranged mod
Ludicrous bait, people were clamoring to be rid of them for years.

>>96444377
>people
Retards who can't count aren't people, especially here on /tg/ where numeracy is important

>>96444398
>nobody wanted /qst/ gone except for the horde I've decided don't count
Classic /qst/fag.

Quests were annoying low quality garbage that clogged the board. The only people interested in that shit are amateur novelists desperate for an audience yet too dumb to use a website dedicated for their slop, and those so desperate for games they'd settle for anything.

>>96444451
explain why the board went to shit after they were gone

>>96444421
If you can't even count, you don't belong on /tg/

>>96444474
2016 happened.

>>96444474
>the board went to shit
Extremely apocryphal claim. The last time I saw an Elf Slave Wat Do, Excuse Me Commissar, or retarded 2hu thread in the catalog must be years ago now, any claim that the board got worse has to explain why having a ton more garbagespam including quest threads was better than not having it.

>>96444554
>The last time I saw an Elf Slave Wat Do, Excuse Me Commissar, or retarded 2hu thread in the catalog must be years ago now
so you haven't used the board in years

>>96444560
Link the latest Excuse Me Commissar thread.

>>96442696
>they were driven out and/or banned by Nazimod
I fucking wish we still had nazimod to purge some “oldfags” from 2018.

>>96438120 (OP)
I would like to present the rebuttal that /tg/'s decline was instead caused by a mass exodus of all the actually creative people, which is why we have the same six or seven topics of discussion reposted every week.

>>96444744
>I fucking wish we still had nazimod
No, you don't. /tg/ was at the lowest point in its history with that faggot.

Someone post a capsule biography of this so-called "Nazimod".

it's been like a decade get over it

>>96441851
The people who would show up for quests were also adding to other threads, and most importantly they're people who actually play games

>>96444769
/tg/ used to be a wild'n'woolly place, staff basically ignored us and left us to our own devices. This bred a kind of /b/-lite environment with a little bit of everything. A lot of dumb shitposting, but a ton of creativity too, as people storytimed their campaigns and made art and greentexts of their campaigns and of various /tg/ settings, and made new games and played them with dicerolls and stuff. It was a kind of community that existed nowhere else on the internet, before or since IMO.

Then one day, a bitter autist got to be the board's moderator. Imagine the worst kind of miserable, no-fun-allowed sperglord you've ever known, handed power over a board he has strong opinions on, including a weird and very narrow definition of "on-topic" that he uses like a club, deleting posts and handing out bans like Oprah hands out prizes. (Pic related) And it went on for ages.
/tg/ turned into a ghost town.

It got so bad that eventually, the staff noticed and canned him, and issued a rare public apology for the terrible moderation /tg/ had been forced to endure while he was here. I don't think they've done something like that more than a dozen times in the site's whole history.

>>96438195
>90% of threads on /tg/

You can check the archives for yourself you dumb faggot. It was about 5% AT MOST. One in twenty threads. Fucking dumbass.

>>96442618
Anything is better than having literally eighty generals up at a time.

>>96444883
What other times did the admins issue public apologies?

>>96441987
>>96442324
>>96444377
Actual /qst/fag here, you retards have it completely backwards. ''/qst/ is dead'' has been a meme since its inception yet it still trudges on, it genuinely has some of the more interesting OC I've seen. Yes it has slowed, but we still get a lot of quality quests made and activity in them, many of them drawquests, if anything /tg/ got the bad end of it by literally just becoming scraps of a rotten corpse. Fuck anons I remember people complaining about how /tg/ was better in ye olde days back in 2020 and it was still leagues better than whatever the fuck we have now.

>>96442159
>How is it the first several pages were nothing but quests (implying they were popular and constantly bumped ) but as soon as quests get their own board suddenly quests are dead I wonder
If somebody goes to /qst/, they already know what quests are, and are specifically looking for one. And if they're only following a specific quest, they'll just leave and come back later, so a board full of them just ends up floundering.

Conversely, quests on /tg/ would often attract new people, or give the people already here something different to engage with. In the cases where someone looking for a quest found it wasn't active, they would instead look to see what other threads were around with similar topics.
It also helps that there were far fewer quests active at a time, and so anyone interested in quests often grouped towards the most popular ones. The popular ones being those that ended up being long-running and very active, hence why they end up constantly bumped.


It's like how people might buy a magazine at the supermarket because they keep a few near the checkout, but they wouldn't go out of their way to find a dedicated magazine store.

>>96444933
The most infamous was when m00t created /mlp/ and apologized for basically trying to ban this internet-wide phenomenon that had started on 4chan.
I remember hearing about another one way back, but don't recall the details, it wasn't funny like m00t's or on a board I used like /tg/, and I assume there's probably been a few more that I don't know. But it doesn't happen often, I know that.

(To be honest, I don't really give a shit about quests per se, but running them off the board gave me lowkey nazimod flashbacks. It felt like one more step in the decline of this place into being an even worse rpg.net, and it was exacerbated by anti-quest fags' irritating and continuous misrepresentation of basic observable facts like how many threads there were, so, really, fuck those guys)

>>96444883
>/tg/ used to be a wild'n'woolly place, staff basically ignored us and left us to our own devices. This bred a kind of /b/-lite environment with a little bit of everything
This sounds comprehensively niggulated, not sure why you'd want to go back to that.

I think quests were fine. I think I got annoyed with it a little bit because I had trouble keeping up with them as a newfag.

>>96445093

Nah, the questfags refused to engage with the rest of the board. It was good they were gone.

>>96442224
Doubt.
I was browsing /tg/ at the height of quest bullshit, and it was very common for people to literally say "If the thread is still here tomorrow, I'll continue." and then there would be no posts for 14 hours, and the thread would still be there.
Even nowadays with the board being slow as fuck, there's a certain kind of autist who gets all pissy that a thread was deleted every time something that doesn't meet their standards gets posted. It was an autism thing, and it's still an autism thing.

I am somewhat new and after reading everything here and checking /qst/, I have formed an opinion that quests do seem like a terrible idea on /tg/

>>96442159
>The problem with quests is something easily defeatable by using basic site functions like the catalog and filters.

>>96438120 (OP)
Not really.
Excessive moderation for off topic shit and lack of moderation for spam posting bullshit is the bigger issue.
The rabbit hole nonsense that threads would devolve into would occasional strike gold. Threads would ask a rule question about encumbrance in games the fifty posts later you would be having chuckle fucks talking about the mechanics of mermaid fucking on dry land and some other autist would develop a modified grapple ruleset about fucking that mermaid that turned out to be pure genius from a rule standpoint. Now those discussion get axed fast while, bizarrely, furshit porn threads go unaxed. It also doesn't help that any time something mildly political shows up threads get pruned automatically because pointing out batshit political stuff being shoved into a game means /pol/ has invaded somehow.

Then you got unmoderated stuff that should be moderated.
>You guys played NEW GAME
gets met with
>Buy an ad
Every single time.
You talk about a common occurrence in a game? "What system?" and "Name five" and other bot tier bullshit is alive and well.

The result? People don't really talk about games because those both questions kill shit and people are afraid to talk about game adjacent stuff because who the fuck knows if you will get banned or not for it.

>Be me
>2017
>attempt a collaborative storytime thread
>ike we do for rpgs
>and every other game we all play
>banned from tg
>thread forcibly moved to qst
>Come back after ban
>Make threads just posting pictures of kriegers
>Aok!
>No discussion!
>no ban!
Can't write a story influenced by other posters because that's /qst/, but dead thread reposting the same art? fiiine.
>>96445579
What /qst/ is over there is not what it was here on the board.

>>96444883
Not just the wild stuff getting posted, every thread was a place for a nugget of creativity. I remember fondly threads that had 10-15 different tangents, and those tangents spinning off into their own creations.

Nazimod killed the collaborative nature that existed on the board in that he actively clamped down on sprawling conversations and off topic banter that would largely lead to more productive discussions.

Add on to that the ongoing spam, cross boarders, lazy fuckers who could never go beyond page one, and Katawa Shoujo creating general threads, /tg/ was always headed towards the quiet beyond. The culture of /tg/ was clamped down on heavily (and no, I'm not just talking about porn and drawfags, but the very idea of "You don't even need the other boards" and the general existence of what /tg/ was.)

In all; it was inevitable, but also still sad.

Now, we're in the doldrums

>>96445713
Absolutely correct

Banning quests was not the one single wound that felled /tg/, but it was a major one. Break down for a moment what the quest-era on /tg/ actually meant:

> we had multiple, active communities coming to /tg/ for something they couldn't do anywhere else on the internet. You could discuss Magic Decks and Warhammer lore on reddits, but you could only do quests HERE.
> these communities thrived on creative writing and art being drawn often in real time as the thread needed it, meaning that we have an active community of writefags and drawfags
> the board was such and active place that threads that didn't get attention would fall off the board on their own, sometimes in just a couple hours if the site was at peak activity

The anti-questfag will tell you that these were the symptoms of sickness, but all I see are the signs of a healthy, active board.
As opposed to now, where /tg/ is basically sleepwalking. When was the last time that /tg/ made a new meme? Popularized a new character? Spun out a new setting or story worthy of any recognition? Where are our drawfags now? Gone from this place. And in return we have exactly what anti-questfags wanted: a board where generals are the norm, creativity is stifled, and you can't kill a thread if you tried.
Do you have any idea how many times I have tried to delete my own threads, because a bumpfag refuses to let it die 7-10 days later and I just want it to go away even though I'm the one that made it int he first place? The site won't let me. I am forced to just watch my thread be kept alive against its will by empty, vapid, quests directed at no one once per 10 hour period like clockwork forever, debating the merits of flooding my own thread with responses to force it to hit bump limit so it can FUCKING DIE.

>>96444916
Quests have the same problem that generals do. They are insular little fiefs ran by a handful of users.

>>96444560
instead we can have 50 threads complaining about the same 3 pics by retard culture warriors

elf slave wat do was high art in comparison

>>96445673
>I am so new that I don't remember the times before the catalog and filters being an offsite viewer or an add-on.

>>96446369
Doesn't change the fact that at the time that quests were split from /tg/, that catalog already existed so the status of the 'front page' was already an irrelevant detail.

>>96444474
The internet went from being 90% first world to under 20% first world.

>>96444934
The whole site is a rotten corpse of itself. The problems that plague /tg/ are problems every board has, thanks to profoundly shitty moderation courtesy of 4chan's new owner and his team of incompetent reddit mod wannabe faggots.

Also your chart starts in 2021 and /qst/ was added in 2016. I wonder what else happened in 2016 and 2020 that might also explain the precipitous drop in overall site quality?

The real problem with nu/tg/ is just out of control ego.
Why did quests need to be removed? It was insulting to someone's ego to see people having fun they didn't like.
Why is every non-general thread greeted with "Mods should delete this?"
Ego.
Why is nobody making greentexts? Why is everyone afraid of writefagging? Why does nobody want to tell stories about their game groups anymore.
Ego, ego, ego.
Too much ego to take a risk that people won't like what you have to say, and too much ego among the people reading what you have to say to not bitch and whine about it.
Every thread devolves into political garbage debates because of autistic people with too much ego, magic vs science threads are popular because there are too many autistic people with too much ego who can't fucking stand that people are allowed to disagree with them without being banned.
I could go on.
I often think the only people who even come here anymore are people who are just looking for hyper-polarizing bickering to suit their fucking egos.
And no wonder shit isn't fun anymore! It's just a bunch of autists looking to bully each other to make themselves feel more important.
/qst/ getting exiled was just a symptom.

Man I've been on this site since 2012 but I only got into tg stuff a few years ago... It seems like I really missed out on the glory days.

>>96446580
Things started going bad in 2016 with the US election, things hit a peak of shittiness in 2018, and then covid sealed our doom in 2020 for good. Hard to explain exactly why, but /tg/ has been completely fucked for half a decade.

>>96446556
That and content farms stealing shit

>>96446663
No normal person cares, but if you do, you own the rights to your 4chan posts, go copyright strike videos "content farming" you.

Unbelievable faggotry and retardation abounds.
>2010, MLP FIM floods the whole fucking internet with ponyshit, and the most autistic redditors imaginable start showing up
>2014, the Fappening brings a ton of horny retards to 4chan looking for celebrity nudes, as well as a bunch of unwanted legal attention
>2014, Anthony Burch becomes a cuck and soon after, people discover moot is a cuck too
>2014 soon after, Zoepost, Gamergate, etc. More outsiders, more unwanted attention.
>All GamerGate discussion is shut down and banished. This leads to a huge site exodus that causes eight chan (still spam filtered to this day) to become huge overnight.
>2015, moot sells 4chan to hiroyuki. Later that year, /qst/ is made. Despite being given a whole board with special features no other board got, adoption of /qst/ is met with overwhelming apathy, largely because the past few years caused most quest threads to lose popularity and fizzle out, if they weren't ended years prior.
>2016 into 2016, Trump election. Feds, disinfo agents, "correct the record" astroturfers, journalists, twitter persoanlities, and even more redditors overrun nearly every board. At this point, nearly all oldfags are gone.
>2019, feds start posting manifestos on 4chan to bring even more scrutiny and negative attention, and to paint 4chan as an extremist "domestic terrorist" website
>2020-2021, Trump election run part 2. Second Verse, same as the first, but louder. More feds, more journos, more redditors, more astroturf.
>Covid.
>parallel to all of that, crypto/stockmarket crash and then boom. Seems like it would be unrelated, but through /biz/ countless Indian scammers flooded into the site. Indians and opportunists catch wind of the free "content" they could be turning into cash. Greentext and reddit post reading channels explode on every social media platform, encouraging more scammers to come and try to milk boards for funny stories and memes.
>AI explodes in popularity and bring even more Indians to 4chan.

The real problem was that /qst/ was created around the time the election tourist cancer metastasised through the website

>>96438120 (OP)
>Animation vs Animator
I just got smacked in the face by nostalgia I didn't even know I had.

>>96446680
>No normal person cares
Wonder why there are so many troll posts and utterly vapid "conversation starter" threads?
It's not only them stealing, but spamming the board with low effort hooks to try and get the content they want.

>>96446707
You have subclinical schizophrenia.

>>96446680
NTA, but I've had content stolen from me.
Even if I hypothetically own the shit I make, when it comes to greentexts I can't exactly prove it.
And yeah, this >>96446707
It's pretty clear that people do literally come here looking for shit to steal. Fuck 'em. Why would I spend my weekend writing a short story that's just going to get screenshotted and posted by some faggot that I don't even know to reddit? Screw those pricks.

>>96446725
My God! A bad post, on 4chan?! It must be the insidious content farmers, here to steal my p̶r̶e̶c̶i̶o̶u̶s̶ ̶b̶o̶d̶i̶l̶y̶ ̶f̶l̶u̶i̶d̶s great posts! There's no other explanation!

We're a website full of sponges in the desert.
There was water here, but it's gone now.

>>96446730
It's literally happened to me, personally. You can't talk me out of believing the evidence of my own life experience.
You stupid fucking cunt.

>>96446730
when the fuck did 4chin add strikeout support?

>>96446730
I'm not saying all bad posts are their fault, only that they're a relevant part of the problem you disingenuous faggot

>>96446737
I didn't say nobody posts greentexts online, I said that people don't post "troll posts" and "conversation starter" threads to greentext mine. Your literal response to your own delusional belief is to avoid making good posts, which helps explain why there are so many bad posts much better than imagining that YouTubers are spending time making threads to content farm, when they could save time by simply waiting for a good post to be made (fortunately, you deny them good posts, making the board worse purely out of spite).

>>96446750
And I said that it's a delusional "part of the problem," which it is. The #1 problems of the board nowadays are:
- the faggot who says "traditional games?" in every fucking thread, and his ilk; wannabe jannies who make the board worse and clearly aren't content farming
- /pol/tards clogging up the board to whine about their pet political issues even when they have literally nothing to do with /tg/

and not somebody asking a question about traditional games, which is a thing that has always been around.

>>96446773
>pol/tards clogging up the board to whine about their pet political issues even when they have literally nothing to do with /tg/
I wonder if political ragebait is a kind of content that is always on demand, and thus, has an incentive to be constantly generated.

>>96446773
I can agree to disagree with you on the first half of your post because I completely agree with the second half.

>>96446773
>>96446869

I think that the more likely cause of the low effort botspam question posts is the same reason that we have endless bumpfags keeping threads alive for WEEKS on what is a clearly artificial life support: the general level of activity across all of 4chan has nosedived, and he site owners/mods are actively trying to inflate the appearance of activity on the boards to try and keep the exodus from getting even worse. If you remove the bumpfags and the one line question, OP never returns/reads/responds spam threads... think about just how much more desolate and empty the board would be. You already think of it as a ghost town even WITH that artificial propping up of the board. If the illusion was allowed to drop, how many people would stop coming here entirely? The site, outside of about 10 boards, would be unambiguously dead as a doornail.

The low effort threads and bumpfaggotry isn't a specifically /tg/ problem, I've seen them both on other boards as well. That speaks to this being a site-scale issue, enacted for site-scale reasons.

>>96447003
I think people just aren't ideologically interested in 4chan's premise anymore. Everyone is unironically using twitter instead, and twitter may as well be anonymous because of the total lack of any kind of real verification. 4chan just doesn't really have a niche it serves anymore. The people posting here are doing so because we're just stuck in our ways.
Never say never, though. Things come up, things come down. 4chan is probably going to be shit for another 5 or 10 years still, but as draconian internet censorship ramps up more and more, people will be back eventually. The gum I like is going to come back in style.
Until then, I unironically think some boards need to be deleted to triage shit back into being active. Boards should come and go with the website's traffic, I don't understand why the fuck slow boards nobody fucking uses need to exist. /qst/ and /vrpg/ could easily collapse back into /tg/ and we'd all be better off.

>>96446135
This gets to what the bigger point that Quests are only a loud aspect of.
There is a discussion to be had about the purpose and goals of not just each board but of the site itself.
/here/ means many things to many people and the purpose of just a board such as /tg/ has varied wildly over its existence.
>40k containment board
check
>greenntext story deposit
check
>thinly veiled scifiand fantasy board
check
>place you go to voice an opinion that would get you downvoted on reddit
check
>culture war dumping zone
check
>fantastical coombait board
check
>OC generator
check
>Place to ritual post arguments
check
and so on...

The deciding factors for what this all is in the current era is whatever the moderators deem it to be and where they don't care the will of the most obstinate and autistic to force their view.
To the end the only solid guiding principles of the moderation team we know of outside of the TOS and previous precedent, are what the purple flavored simian has openly expressed. Beyond that one must assume that the shape of a board is defined by its lowest functions autists who because of their deficiencies will continue to force their view.

>>96438195
The issue with /tg/ quests wasn’t that they were over numerous, but that too many of them were entirely too involved, too complex, and completely inaccessible to anyone who wasn’t onboard from the first few posts. Short, simple quests that people ran for a day or a week were a blast. But some people were out here re-writing the odyssey and those quests did take up more than half the board space with endless bumps to effectively strangle anything that wasn’t a general or a quest.

Should have made /qst/ but still allowed roll threads on /tg/. All the massive autists could still discuss games here and post on /qst/ in a different window.

>>96447087
>completely inaccessible
suptg was a thing.

>>96447087
>The issue with /tg/ quests wasn’t that they were over numerous
then why do you keep bringing it up as the issue

>>96447087
>The issue with /tg/ quests wasn’t that they were over numerous, but that too many of them were entirely too involved, too complex, and completely inaccessible to anyone who wasn’t onboard from the first few posts.

Imagine telling someone that they have to cancel their ongoing campaign because someone wandered into the room in session 10 and didn't know whats going on and thats YOUR responsibility to avoid

>>96446689
I still can't believe the guy is still going strong.

>>96445713
Best post in the thread by far.

>>96447050
>The people posting here are doing so because we're just stuck in our ways.
Hey asshole. I didn't come to this thread for self reflection.

>>96445713
>because who the fuck knows if you will get banned or not for it.
I haven't been banned for anything recently. Not for at least 8 months or so, and I have a temper so I've for sure been part of my fair share of political shitflinging threads.
For me, the issue at hand is just that I don't want to be met with constant negativity all the fucking time. I'm not worried about getting banned, I'm worried about other anons being incapable of having fun, interesting conversations. It's like nobody even posts anymore unless they're telling someone else to go fuck themselves.
Other than that, I agree with this post.

>>96447087
>those quests did take up more than half the board space
half the front page*

>>96442971
Remember the recent hack? There were logs on a certain hidden board where people talked about this stuff. A certain person kept bitching about people staying on /tg/ after /qst/ was made, other people on that board just kept pointing out that nobody asked for it, nobody wanted it, and that there was an 'overwhelmingly negative opinion' on it.

The phrases 'lawful purge of undesireables' and 'exile mandate' were used.

This heroic janny was completely ignored.

I would like to present the hypothesis that you're a bunch of faggots and that you need to CREATE shit if you want /tg/ to be cool again, instead of bitching.

>>96443081
/vt/ is still in the top 5 fastest boards on NIGGERTITS

>>96444883
>>96445987

You know you can still create and make cool stuff and share it on here, right?

>>96446556
You're absolutely fucking retarded, holy shit.

>>96446663
So sign your work, duh.

>>96447823
This isn't the community or board culture for it anymore. Working on something in solitude is one thing, but if you make something and post it now people just call you a shill or tell you to buy an ad. Everyone on AGD threads just posts stuff about their own content and then ignores everyone else. As someone who still does make shit, I just don't post it here, I post it in places where everyone's creating stuff together.

>>96447786
>>96447823
Everyone you'd want to see your stuff has left when quests got purged.

>>96447844
There are no such places. I share and post my stuff here. When schizos call me a shill, I ignore them or tell them to "kys." Besides, most of the old "/tg/ gets shit done" stuff was done by individuals who would just actually put in the effort from the random idea pitched on /tg/.

>>96447847
No, lol. I make stuff. Other people make stuff. You just have to not be a bitch and put in the effort, into both making it, and then putting it out there.

>>96447866
>>96447871
No you don't.

>>96445924
Yup. Not a single "muh shit threads" gripe holds water when bumpfag's necrothreads routinely infest the board for weeks on end.

>>96447741
proofs?
No one has cared about /qst/ except for questfags

>b-but you're responding to the threads! You care too!
I'm only responding because the thread already exists and to stop it from being a questfag circlejerk so they can pretend everyone misses quests. I don't make threads about quests, unlike questfags.
it's been a whole decade and you're still making threads. They aren't going to delete /qst/ and let them back on /tg/. Let it go.

>>96447875

I've been posting about this in various elf threads multiple times while I was writing it last year. I published it in March. I'm currently working on a city that can be inserted into a campaign and an OSR anime catgirl class.

>>96447939
You're not fooling anyone here, fag.

Another preview of what I'm working on

>>96447977
kys

>>96447050
If you've been on /qst/ you would know you couldn't just collapse them back into /tg/, nor eould it be a good idea either. Modern 4chan quests update slowly and stay up for very long, the catalog is also filled with more quests than there could on /tg/ and would clog the board fast. The last thing is /qst/fags no longer want to play with /tg/ because of what it's become.

>>96444321
How the fuck are CYOA fags allowed to dicksuckingly persist? They're just "quests" by another name.

>>96448390
They can get shunted into a general, and quest can't.

>>96448358
It'd be goo for them to stop being so fucking lazy.
I've been to /qst/ and in all the generals there's constant itching about low activity. But then, they also post like once every 2 or 3 days at random, sporadic intervals.
They'd be much better served setting aside timeslots like they used to. Used to be QMs would announce a set time they'd be running, and shit would be active for 3-5 hours several times a week. People would show up like it was Sunday night HBO and participate.
Now?
People just lazily blow through whenever they feel like, no real urgency.
They'd be much better off with a foot up their asses. There's only like 6 or so actually active quests at any given time anyway. Those threads last for over a fucking month, they could stand to have some of that time shaved the fuck off.

>>96448390
The mod likes them so they stay.

>>96445924
>Can't write a story influenced by other posters because that's /qst/, but dead thread reposting the same art?

There were a few of the >Be Me >[stupid fucking idea] threads not that long ago. A lot of them were people rping in 40K as orks or guardfags or chaos.

>>96447939
I think I've seen a bunch of your drafts in various elf threads before, if you're the same anon.

>>96444946
>It's like how people might buy a magazine at the supermarket because they keep a few near the checkout, but they wouldn't go out of their way to find a dedicated magazine store.
Good comparison.

>>96445452
>This sounds comprehensively niggulated, not sure why you'd want to go back to that.
NO U
>>96448824
Yeah at least those aren't getting deleted on sight anymore.

>>96445924
>What /qst/ is over there is not what it was here on the board.
Correct, it was a lot worse here.

>>96447741
I think the funniest thing about that is how a lot of of the "we don't need /qst/" posts were made with a Ribbon image attached, which means that the time period when anyone posting Ribbon got nuked on sight might have actually been janny-on-janny violence.

>>96446686
>2015, moot sells 4chan to hiroyuki. Later that year, /qst/ is made.
Wait a minute. No, wait a minute. Are you saying this fag of an OP is whining about something that happened *a decade ago*?

>>96449672
Yes. And a few months from now someone (who may or may not be OP) is going to make the same thread again and it'll be filled with the exact same posts as this thread, and the last thread, and the one before that, and so on.

>>96449672
Bad decisions don't stop being bad because they happened a long time ago.
Also, a decade gives you plenty of hindsight on how things actually turned out.

>>96449772
I mean it was a good decision for mootykins, a bad decision for the rest of us

>>96449772
You know you're not supposed to even BE here for a decade, right?

>>96449906
That's quitter talk

>>96449906
Yet here I am closing in on twice that. I started posting here when I was hunting down fansubs for Gundam shows in 2006.

>>96450041
> I was hunting down fansubs for Gundam shows in 2006.
did...did you find them?

>>96450228
In spades. /m/ like /tg/ was a good board back then. The /m/en also showed me lots of other cool shows to watch.

>>96450238
Pour one out for /m/. Few boards are dead in the same way that /m/ is, there just isn't enough new /m/ content for them to do anything but repeat the same handful of threads on infinite loop.

>>96450326
/m/'s biggest problem is it is slow enough that a handful of faggots can shit it up with minimal effort. See the assblasted faggots screaming about the Witch from Mercury and Iron Blooded Orphans. Both were mid tier Gundam shows but a couple fags scream like they are the second coming of Seed/Destiny and drown out any conversation about them. But /m/ has always had a few top tier faggots running around, in the old days it was Red Machine D and all the Character Tripfags. At least we still have one of the best oldfag namefags on the site, dorkly.

>>96449672
>Are you saying this fag of an OP is whining about something that happened *a decade ago*?
And with each year that passes, the complaints get dumber. They could, instead, figure out some way for /qst/ and /tg/ to collaborate, and cross promote. Instead, they show up to bitch about how no one on /tg/ ever wanted quests gone and there were only ever a couple of them at a time and so on and so on and it's never fucking worked.

>>96450629
Because most of the people with passion and creativity already left. What is left here is manly those who consumed the creative works and now lack subjects to engage with.

>>96452176
Nigger, I'm still here and literally working on two things.

Why aren't (You) creating?

>>96450629
>They could, instead, figure out some way for /qst/ and /tg/ to collaborate, and cross promote.
Usually, threads mentioning /qst/ get deleted promptly. I'm surprised OP hasn't been banned yet.

>>96456515
I used to contribute to the Agartha threads but had to drop out to work on getting my degree.

>>96456850
Yeah, if someone made a /qst/ advertising thread here to pitch quests, it would be shitted by someone throwing a tantrum immediately.

>>96457111
That was really cool but too much talking in circles. Also, I'm working on my degree too and I'm still working on my things. The two are not mutually exclusive (because hell man, I know you're not spending 16 hours per day on your degree).

>>96442971
Yep, that about covers it.

>>96438135
Please discuss low level programming and other /g/ames on the appropriate board. This is no/tg/ames, where we discuss TTRP(n)Gs, War(not)gaming, TC(n)Gs and similiar things not related to gaming.

>>96448390
Moderation on this board is arbitrary and mostly based around fueling culture wars and protection of resident autists and trolls.

>>96457998
It's almost like a decade of shitty moderation has harmed the entire site, which is now filled with redditors trying too hard to fit in.

>>96459611
I would say more like 12 to 13 years of shitty moderation, since m00t seemingly checked out mentally from 4chan a while before finally selling it.
t. '08 newfag

The introduction of captcha and the various post timers has had a way worse effect on /tg/ than qst

>>96459986
captcha is a necessary evil

>>96459986
Do you want MORE low-effort and bot posts?

what the fuck is bumpfagging even supposed to be?
don't slower boards just naturally need bumps or w/e?

>>96465437
The bumpfagging is doing stuff like asking a basic inane question of a random poster in an attempt to restart dead conversations. Sometimes they'd do it multiple times in a row because nobody else responded, which just bloats the board. They refuse to let threads go even if they're basic or played out with topics like "how does magic work in your setting?"

>>96465456
Also they don't seem to actually *want* to engage. If you respond to the bumpfag, they won't respond back until the thread is about to fall off, then they'll take the opportunity to ask one more inane question of you. It's like they want to watch other people discuss the topic and only grudgingly post to keep the thread up.

>>96465456
>>96465471
isn't that literally how it works on most boards on here? the format usually is OP asks a question or w/e and the rest of the thread replies to him and replies to each other which will go on along.
Threads where OPs actively reply to every post or where they remain the focus of the conversation are rarer comparatively.
People were mentioning /m/ ITT awhile ago and it has threads that fit the bill:
>>>/m/23494813
>>>/m/23463211
>>>/m/23493638
>>>/m/23491004
>>>/m/23467079
I mean, I've always assumed it was just a strawman but do you guys actually just want /tg/ to be only generals? There isn't a board on this site that is only generals except /tg/ and technically /qst/, even general friendly boards like /sp/, /jp/, /pw, or /vt/

>>96465557
except /vg/*

>>96465557
I think the thing you are missing is that bumpfags will actively *refuse* to engage in thread discussion when people are actually talking. They will ONLY respond to the thread when it is on page 10, always in the form of a question, and they DO NOT CARE about the answer. Their only goal is to keep the thread from falling off of the catelog, they don't care what actually happens in it.
And you are right, this does happen on other boards. Which is a problem. This means it is a site wide issue, and that speaks to either a deep rooted cultural shift of some kind... or an active attempt by moderators to keep boards looking more active than they really are.
But you can't look at a thread thats been up for 9 days and in the last 40 posts 35 of them are single line inane questions that no on responded to, none closer together than 10 hours apart, and tell me that is a good thread or a healthy thread. That isn't a discussion, that is hospice care.

>>96465617
ah I get it, so bumpfags are ostensibly the OPs keeping their own threads alive?
That being said, I've literally never seen any board have people that complain about that except on here. /m/ is half as fast as /tg/ and the oldest non general thread on the board is 2 months old, basically the same as the oldest two threads on the board right now

>>96465557
Bumping inactive threads is normal, the problem is that on /tg/ there's one specific guy who's spent years doing it constantly in the same types of threads, never accepts that threads should die naturally when the discussion is over, and he never attempts to actually discuss anything himself because he only cares about keeping his pet threads on the board.

There's three threads up right now where the OP happened to include one of bumpfag's trigger words ("element", in this case) and he took that as an invitation to necrobump them for weeks. You'll notice that all of his threads usually get bumped around the same time of day with similar zero-effort bullshit posts for the sole purpose of keeping them from expiring naturally.
>>96314431
>>96315518
>>96422465
That last thread is mostly actual discussion at the moment because it's only a few days old, but when people run out of worthwhile content he'll still keep bumping it for the next month.

>>96465617
It could also be AI training using a bot to keep the thread alive. If that is the case, then it makes simple prompts and logs the presumably human responses and discussions. All it would need to do is disregard its own bumps from the dataset.

>>96465694
NTA but is it actually that big of an issue if, as you say, noonr but the bumpfag is in the thread anyway?
Won't new threads and people posting on the newer threads fix things naturally?

>>96465437
antibumpfags just use bumpfaggotry as a cudgel to attack what they actually hate: people making threads about personal settings or general fantasy and scifi concepts or tropes outside of established settings or games
I have no skin in the "debate" myself though since I don't read those and am just here for /mtg/ and /acg/, just what I've seen

>>96465684
>ah I get it, so bumpfags are ostensibly the OPs keeping their own threads alive?
A common and obvious theory as to who is doing it, but one that I can disprove from experience because I've made threads only to have them kept alive against my will by bumpfag posting.

> That being said, I've literally never seen any board have people that complain about that except on here.
/tg/ has a higher degree of autism than a lot of boards, we are better at pattern recognition so bumpfag posts stick out like a sore thumb

>>96465749
Fix it how? /tg/'s population has been in freefall for years, any random autist could keep a thread alive for almost a year by himself because you only have to bump a thread once a day to keep it on the board. Fewer and fewer people bother to look at anything outside of the general threads they're already in, and bumping dead threads with botspam just reinforces the idea that there's nothing on the front page worth seeing.

>>96466255
The fact of the matter is, sadly, that /tg/ (and, in truth, 4chan as a whole) cannot be saved without a dedicated team of moderators that recognize and understand how board culture works, actively prune low quality baitspam bullshit even if its not *technically* against the rules to remove bad faith posters and bots, and otherwise are content to largely be hands off and not target threads *even if they personally don't like them*.
I don't see a path to getting there from here. It almost makes more sense to make a new 4chan style image board without 4chan's baggage and with a dedicated goal of maintaining quality and integrity and resisting bot and subverting influences.

>>96466370
>and otherwise are content to largely be hands off and not target threads *even if they personally don't like them*.
/tg/ began to die the moment we got board-specific mods that tried to curate the boards to their own personal tastes, rather than global mods that simply glanced at threads to determine if any global rules were being broken.

>>96466485
Its a hard balance to find a mod who is in the sweet spot of being invested enough in the board and its culture to know whats a shitpost and what isn't, but also isn't a huge autist that will try to make everyone else conform to their specific preferences for the hobby.

why not just have threads autosage when they reach the age of two weeks or maybe a month?
that way we can have the setting question threads without people throwing tizzies about them staying too long

>>96466815
The fact that you think 2 weeks or a month is a reasonable timeframe makes it clear that you are a newfag. As an oldfag, a thread lasting even a single week is nothing short amazing and a sign of how slow the board has become.
3 days autosage would be okay with me. If there is genuinely more discussion that needs to happen on a topic that extends beyond 3 days, they can make a new thread to replace it. But if there were actually enough people to fill the thread with discussion, it wouldn't have *reached* 3 days in the first place, so past that window it becomes increasingly likely that its just bumpfag.

>>96466875
I mean the board itself has just gotten slower as well hasn't it?

>>96466815
Didn't they already try this here?

>>96466815
They tried that and it fucking sucked. The result was that every general thread other than the 40k/MTG/D&D/CYOA threads had to make a new thread every week for no reason and it did nothing at all to stop bumpfag because he just made a bunch of threads on his own. The problem isn't thread age, the problem is mindless content-farming bumpspam.

bump

>>96438135
>quests are not traditional games
Meanwhile:
>CYOA general
>Towergirls general
>AIslop general
Hypothesis: DEBOONKED

>>96438135
Funnily enough, I met my core /tg/ gaming group through quests. Quests have contributed more to the hobby for me than any other thread on the board, save maybe the trove.

Not only is it good that quests were sent to a containment board, but CYOA spam needs to be sent there, too.

>>96471162
Oh, and AI spam needs its own board, or to be forced onto /trash/.

>>96441987
>>96438168
>>96438195
Questfags moved largely to other sites that cropped up at the same time as The Purge since it was better than being yamked around by 4chan's fucktarded mods, and the /j/ leaks proved the whole thing was just the idea of one mod who hated quests but liked CYOAs because he'd jack off to them

>>96471175
Don't care, glad they're gone.

>>96447823
Why would I? At best I'll be ignored or told to post it in a general and at worst it'll get yoinked by some fag monetizing it on youtube

>>96465557
Typically you bump an inactive thread in an attempt to keep the discussion flowing via actively participating. If I ask you "how do whores work in your setting?" it's generally assumed I actually care abiut the answer and will try yo build off your post with a similarly in-depth post of my own in a decent length of time, NOT wait 18+ hours for the thread to hit page 11 again only to reply with "Can you elaborate further?"

>>96471193
That's fine, just pointing out it's about the same as gauging 4chan's health by the current activity in something awful forums

>>96471149
>garbo was not deported yet
>that means it belongs here
REBOONKED

>>96471307
>be ignored
So keep posting it.
>general
Post it both there and in your own thread, why not?
>stolen
Not if you sign your work? My work is signed and if someone were to steal it, I would take them to court.

>>96471799
>yet
You've had 10 years to make it happen, cucky. Chop chop!

>>96471834
Why go through all that effort to appease a dwindling population of bitter bucketcrabs and bumpfags when I could just post it on twitter and grow an actual following instead? It's where all the old drawfags went for a reason.

>>96471846
Then why are you here posting?

>>96446135
>creative writing and art being drawn often in real time as the thread needed it, meaning that we have an active community of writefags and drawfags
We had that community before quests, but we sure didn't after the purge/election.

Also >>96445924
and
>>96447630
>I don't want to be met with constant negativity [, thought-terminating cliche, and robotic repost idiocy] all the fucking time.

Good posts, lads.

>>96447050
>I think people just aren't ideologically interested in 4chan's premise anymore.
I think this is it.
I came back for the first time in a year or so and tried posting/workshopping my campaign setting early in the year, and unlike Before (even post-election) there did not seem to be any amount of interest in collaborative work or contribution - just a string of "get a blog" and "how is this campaign setting you currently play tgs in tg-related", except when I mentioned the bad neighbourhood and got a lot of niggerniggernigger responses.
Genuinely saddening.

>>96448076
>furry coombait
Hell, at least he's working and posting OCs, I guess we'll take it.
[spoilers]Burglary as racial proficiency[/spoilers] Uh oh...

>>96473004
Despite only being .2% of the population, catgirls commit 30% of all crimes.

I just went and counted.
Jesus christ Generals are a plague upon the board culture.
It's almost the entire top half of the catalogue.

>>96473160
50% of catgirl crimes are some variant of public indecency

>>96473683
>almost the entire top half of the catologue
More of those than there ever was of Quests.
/gen/ when?

>>96473683
you've got it backwards, prevalence of Generals is not the cause, it's the most prominent symptom of moderation deliberately gutting everything even remotely resembling spontaneous creativity combined with large scale population replacement

>>96473683
>>96473871

Generals are also bad not just because they act as an excuse to kill more spontaneous threads, but because every general on every board becomes infested by a clique of discord users that treat the thread as an extension of their personal drama clubroom, and try to throw their weight around as the rulers of the thread. The longer that a line of generals goes on, the more likely that an insular group of people who feel they 'own' the thread are to develop.
If you are not allowed to have threads on that topic outside of those generals, then a small number of shitheads can effectively poison all ability to discuss that thing on the site.

>>96473949
That's kind of a discord problem that you've conflated with generals. And it doesn't require a clique from offboard, a single autist with enough free time can prevent healthy discussion on a topic, generals or otherwise.
I remember when Traveller threads would get squatted by one of those.
He didn't come from a discord, and it didn't matter if the thread was labeled a "general" or not, he'd be there to shit on newbies and lecture everyone about how they didn't know Traveller like he knew Traveller until everybody left again.

>>96473683
If you filter the word "general" it usually clears off 50-60 threads, minus a few that get left over because retards forget to put "general" in the title of their general thread.

generals are the only place on this board where you can get ontopic discussion

they stay

>>96473998
Yes, trolls or autists are always a problem. The point is that generals give them INCENTIVE to form a discord that is an extension of the thread, and then becomes about the thread being an extension of the discord.
I've seen this problem happen across multiple boards, discord babies screeching at each other for bucking the line and creating the next general thread in the sequence "ahead of schedule" and not putting the right things in the OP, or using the OP to force a meme, or otherwise violating their self-ascribed mandate. Like they are a HOA that you were forced to sign up with, patrolling to make sure that you don't paint your door the wrong color or you get a nasty letter and a threat.
This mentality isn't possible outside of generals, because there is nothing for them to stake ownership of.

>>96474184
Making a new thread early contributes to bloat, it's generally a good thing for them to wait until they're down on page 10 to make a new one. If they pull the trigger immediately when they hit autosage the old one will be hanging around for hours as it slowly descends.

The eternal seething of /qst/ posters never ceases to make me laugh.

>>96474494
Seems like the majority of board users would be fine with quests on /tg/.

>>96477527
The majority of board users have no context of what a quest actually is.

>>96438120 (OP)
[Noob question] So... Quests aren't like DnD gaming sessions, right? /qst/ threads sounds and reads like an interactive Oregon Trail game.

>DnD:
>DM: "You rolled a 6 and landed a critical strike on the ice troll with the dagger. Describe your next action."
>Player: "I pick up the tomahawk from the troll's corpse and throw it to the goblin archer on the cliff."
>DM: "Alright, roll 2d6."

>/qst/ (as per >>>/qst/6299881 in an example)
>DM: "Pick one, a Necklace or a Chalice"
>Anon: "I pick chalice"
>DM: "OK you pick chalice. *Proceeds to tell you what your character does with real players having no real input."
>Anon 2: "I want to pick Necklace"
>DM: >>>/qst/6300014 "No no no, you naughty anons, you can't pick up Necklace anymore, I've already told the chalice story. *Sigh* Okay let's just recast the vote again. Necklace or Chalice?"

So what is the difference from playing an interactive computer game? (I am aware that this may come across as an obtuse question.)

>>96444934
Questfags are lying pieces of shit? Tell me it isn't so! I would never have guessed!

>>96477527
>Seems like the majority of questfags and no one else would be fine with quests on /tg/.
FTFY. If quest threads would be fine here then they are even better in an enviroment created entirely for them when only people who want to interact with then will do so.

Getting rid of quests was a massive fucking mistake. The entire premise that got them banned (The idea that they were taking up space on the board and shoving more "On topic" threads into obscurity or off the board entirely) was swiftly proven to be completely wrong, as rather than there being more "on topic" threads, the void they left behind was swiftly filled with low quality bait and politics threads. And as other Anons have pointed out, most of the other arguments against them were easily solved by basic site features that had existed for years by the time they got banned.
Getting rid of them was an experiment that failed catastrophically, but it's honestly too late to undo it and has been for years. The same crowd that got rid of them has long since chased off all the creative types that used to call this board home.

>>96478074
/tg/ quests are more like a D&D game where the players input what they want the character to do and vote on it. It's not "pick A or B", it's "what do you do?" and then if it's the kind of action that would require a roll, that can also be included. Some QMs did best or average of 3 from rolls that support or voted for the winning action. Many quests had established game systems with a character sheet and conflict resolution mechanics. That particular one where the qm is asking them to vote on what the character starts with is weird and not usually how they played out over here. That's a lot more railroady, probably because he's making art to go with it. Those long descriptive monologs aren't how they went down here either. Maybe that's normal for /qst/, I wouldn't know since I never used it.

>>96478086
>they are even better in an enviroment created entirely for them when only people who want to interact with then will do so
This. /qst/fag whining about being booted off /tg/ is exactly as if /d/fags insisted they should be allowed to post futa on /tg/ because it might reach some people who don't know yet that they're into trannies.

>>96478119
Then /tg/'s type of quests have lot more of an appeal, for being closer to DnD games

What made /qst/ to evolve into railroaded story threads these days is unclear.

>>96478149
iirc, there was even a /tg/ quest that was literally run on Pathfinder with NPC party members lead by the player run character, and the only real mechanical deviance from standard Pathfinder was that the main character was being run by votes.

It was never perfect, often the first decent idea presented got all or enough of the votes to pass without any real argument, other times players would argue for hours and hours without coming to any decision. Sometimes there was railroading. Sometimes dipshits would take over if the quest was being run at a weird time. Often it was difficult to jump into long running quests simply because you'd have to go read through the archives to have context. But we did have a lot of fun.

>>96478149
Despite being made "for quests", /qst/ has nearly no continuity with /tg/. The /tg/ quests simply died and the people running them stopped or went completely offsite. The people who went to /qst/ were randos who came to check out the new board and had little to no context for what it even was. It was also described initially by the mod who made it in a completely insane way that technically excluded most /tg/ quests.

>>96478159
>>96478202
Real "look what they did to our boy" moment. They took something that was born here on /tg/, out of our board's culture and topic and... did that to it

>>96478202
>The /tg/ quests simply died and the people running them stopped or went completely offsite.

In a few cases they tried to migrate to /qst/ but ended up getting maliciously reported and regularly banned to the point they gave up. The initial /qst/ jannies were much more aggressive than the /tg/ ones at the time.

>>96478119
>/tg/ quests are
>talking about them in the present tense even though they were abolished over a decade ago

>>96474494
The funniest thing to me is that they seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that the way /qst/ was spun off is literally the normal way board formation works on 4chan, including /tg/ itself. A distinct clique posts about a topic enough to inconvenience or annoy the established board culture, so they get shunted off to another board. In /tg/'s case it was 40kposting on /b/; the autists annoyed the /b/tards so they got their own board – and inevitably the board culture changed from the 40k threads on /b/. (Notably /tg/ is not all about 40K, for instance.)

But instead of just understanding this simple fact, the /qst/ards have spent the last ten years whining about their private nakba. They really have the deranged loser's-tenacity of Palestinians. Cracks me up.

>>96465557
>isn't that literally how it works on most boards on here? the format usually is OP asks a question or w/e and the rest of the thread replies to him and replies to each other which will go on along.
>Threads where OPs actively reply to every post or where they remain the focus of the conversation are rarer comparatively.
It's a very noticeable behavior of one (?) individual. He's not even OP. For example, I made this thread (>>96160219) a while back, and I'd be perfectly happy for it to be dead, but instead you have dozens of posts like these:
>>96471449
>>96477153

Keeping it alive for over a month. He does this all the time and it's very annoying.

You know for a fact the old mod/jannies left after the hack if a fucking meta thread has been up for 4 days

>>96474494
>>96478086
>>96478128
Yes, you guys continue to seethe about quests a full decade later after getting your victory and the board culture ("coincidentally") slowly descending into a toxic cesspit with 0 creativity. Just count your win: you killed the board, goongrats.

Reminder

infinityychan /tg/ was popular in 2014 and advertised no quests and shortly after this /tg/ followed suit

>>96442001
Incorrect.

>>96442405
what quality posters?

>>96442696
How can a person be from a website?

>>96479681
Hard to believe, but there was a time when anons on other boards directed people to /tg/ because this board had a reputation as knowledgeable and helpful on a wide variety of topics.

>>96478108
Interesting how you are ignored by the anti-questfags for speaking the truth.
>>96479663
But that was correct. Some quests were literally someone’s homebrew.

>>96444883
So he banned people who weren't discussing traditional games? What's the problem?

>>96479718
Yeah the /tg/ meme.
>Who needs the other boards?

>>96479757
The goal of /tg/ was to have fun not just talk about games. After all, what is the point of a game but to have fun?

>>96479757
>board is lively, creative, fun and produces the most and best RPG stuff in its history
>ban all the "off-topic" stuff
>board dies, virtually nothing good comes out of it in all the years since
I can only surmise that you are an utter newfag who is trying to assure himself the grapes were sour
>>96479759
It was a meme, but it was also true

>>96445713
Why are you so mad that you have to discuss traditional games on the traditional games board?

>>96445713
>post like a shill, get mocked
Solution: post the pdf
>post like a /v/irgin, get mocked
Solution: commit suicide

>>96446135
settings, stories, and art aren't traditional games. if you want to write, you can use the literature board. if you want to draw, you can use the art board. no one is preventing you from doing whatever you want, we simply ask that you keep your sewage out of people's homes.

>>96444883
>It got so bad that eventually, the staff noticed and canned him, and issued a rare public apology for the terrible moderation /tg/ had been forced to endure while he was here.
You're confusing us with /a/ niggermod/nazimod/kittenmod (same guy, different pejoratives) just had a tantrum and left. I know this for a fact because in a different thread on a different board, moot informed an anon that we "drove our mod off." AFAIK in 20 years on 4chan, the ONLY time a mod was ever publicly punished was Snacks being fired, some other mod being fired for having a meltie on /b/, and a nazi mod trying to get his way on /a/ such that moot forced him to fuck off and apologized.

>>96480074
Is this nigga serious?

>>96480091
There was also one who reportedly got fired a few years ago when /pol/ was coordinating fire safety code inspections on gay bars. One of the ban messages to the raiders mentioned that gays were "marginalized" and /pol/ went into full chimpout mode over it.

>>96480145
A guy like that was mod of /tg/ for approximately a year.

>>96480057
>Solution: post the pdf
You literally can't post pdfs any more anon.

Additionally, fuck you, demanding spoonfeeding in return for not shitting up threads, you fucking loser.

>>96480074
Welcome to /tg/! I know you're new here, but you need to lurk more.

>>96480159
Translation: you're mad you got called out on viral marketing. Somehow the share thread has no trouble posting pdfs without native functionality

>>96446556
Quests aren't traditional games. Learn to let go of your ego and recognize when you're wrong.

>>96480213
Quests are an evolution of the most traditional game of all.

>>96446680
How would you prove that any post in particular is yours? IP addresses aren't sufficient, those can easily be faked.

>>96446712
Thanks for admitting he's right.

>>96446730
It is in fact true, of course.

>>96446773
That would take more time, not save time. Are you stupid?

>>96480227
You don't have to prove anything and the onus is always on the accused. The DMCA can be a very funny griefing tool.

>>96447107
They're not inaccessible because they get deleted, you fucking moron

>>96447290
A quest isn't a campaign you run for your friends in your home. Quests are public, and you are obligated to take that into consideration when creating one. Do NOT reply.

>>96445713
Worst part in the thread by far.

>>96447939
lol trash

>>96448411
what's the difference between a general thread and a quest thread?

>>96448824
So they weren't discussing traditional games then.

>>96480334
One is for playng games, the other is for accusing people of not playing games

>>96449906
what do you mean, "supposed"?

>>96479757
The site as a whole is when broken down in truth earns exists for only two things.
Voicing ideas and issues you have about the board subject which your afraid to say anywhere with a name attached.
&
The capability to spitball ideas and create shit without needing to risk a name being attached.
Everything else is better served elsewhere.

The first aspect has been the primary focus of the site for about a decade now and its deliberate exaltation in attempts to "save western culture" has gotten us to the modern state of this site in which its slowly withering away having done its job.
In this having stricter boundaries to direct things towards focused discussion was useful as it kept subjects generally on topic.
The second aspect flourishes when you let a bunch of dumb kinda edgy and definitely horny kids and early 20s adults brimming with energy without shame push the boundaries of socially acceptable creativity. This creates shit from all the classic greentexts to art centered around popular characters and memes, to all the weird fetish shit, and as a result general creating an upstream position in culture.
This aspect flourishes when the creation of a board exists to create context not constraints, and was also killed by mod overreach and the general change in perception leading to this site becoming personal non grata for everyone who doesn't need it for the first reason.

If you come to the site for only the capability to say shit anonymously then this is for you. But if you valued the old creative side then, the removal of Quests represented the driving away of the 3rd generation of creative oriented /tg/ users.

That's not to say you should bring them back nowadays, at least not in their current state as motioned upthread /qst/ is a foreign entity to what it was it was.
However some form of rules change as a formal and symbolic recommitment to the creative side of /tg/ is what people-le are looking for and Quests are the easiest point of reference.

>>96456515
No you're not.

>>96458332
Yes, I'm actually spending 18 hours a day on it.

>>96480347
>>96480374
>>96480378
Are you trying to spam the thread to death on purpose or are you just too retarded to realize you can reply to more than one post at a time?

>>96480213
Yes they are. Learn to let go of your ego and recognize when you're wrong.

>>96465754
you can use the literature board to discuss story telling.

>>96471834
What sort of signature do you imagine can't be easily removed?

>>96472977
good, fuck off and buy an ad NIGGER

>>96480397
lol /lit/ is not long a story board its a continental style philosophy board with an occasional attempt at taking about soemthing else which dies under or around 50 posts.

>>96480424
*/lil for a long time has not been a story based board

>>96479718
kek

>>96479774
No, the purpose of the traditional games board is for discussing traditional games.

>>96480145
What are you confused about?

>>96480219
Unfortunately, an evolution of traditional games isn't a traditional game.

>>96480370
Is there something wrong with your keyboard?

>>96480385
Why would I want to reply to more than one post at a time?

>>96480393
No they're not. Learn to let go of your ego and recognize when you're wrong.

>>96480494
Yes they are. Learn to let go of your ego and recognize when you're wrong.

>>96480424
k, fuck off from the site then.

>>96480497
No they're not. Learn to let go of your ego and recognize when you're wrong.

>>96480469
We had a meme for faggots like you.
>no fun allowed
The point of /tg/ was fun. Traditional games definition was always so vague that it was meaningless to begin with.

>>96480567
No, the board is for discussing traditional games, and it isn't vague at all.

>>96480370
>Voicing ideas and issues you have about the board subject which your afraid to say anywhere with a name attached.
This is an important point. Many people enjoy kidding themselves about how censored the internet has gotten. “pol shit”, “election tourists”, “russian bots”, etc are an outgrowth of 1) users being pushed to 4Chan by clampdowns on acceptable discourse elsewhere on the internet 2) peoples greater sensitivity to attempts to police ideas/language (in no small part due to #1) 3) the decline of social/cultural institutions in the face of the expanding State making politics an ever larger portion of the shrinking pie of human experience.
This is website where people can and will disagree with you. It’s this shithole’s single redeeming feature. If you are uncomfortable with people being able to disagree with you because you’ve never had to deal with that before, you could save yourself the distress by going ANYWHERE else on the web where you’ll not have to see such awful words.

>>96480640
This is true, but there is a difference between having heavy discourse and disagreement and being forced to tolerate someone having a greasey shit in your living room. The former being good is no excuse to be forced to tolerate the latter.
If someone is posting pol shit outside of pol, or acting like a bot, I'll call them out for it. Otherwise all we have is an obligation to allow ourselves to be dragged down to the lowest quality of discussion that anyone on the board is willing to lower themselves to.

fuck your board I'll bump every thread and there's nothing you can do about it, i have 700 burner phones and each one is registered in a different city

>>96480414
Like the one I have in my book that I wrote and published? Then if they remove it, you go after them legally.

>>96480374
I mean I posted one of the things I'm working on and I'm working on a Viking/snakeman city that people can insert into their OSR campaign.

>>96480378
[x] doubt

>>96480699
If you are uncomfortable with people being able to disagree with you because you’ve never had to deal with that before, you could save yourself the distress by going ANYWHERE else on the web where you’ll not have to see such awful words.

>>96480579
You can’t even define it.

The fundamental reason this board is dying is because of this.
>>96476523

>>96480795
lol that has nothing to do with people scraping posts for youtube you dumbass

>>96480897
Can, of course.

>>96480970
It's kind of amazing that of all the threads on the board right now, that's the one that they thought needed to be moved.

>>96480886
If you are uncomfortable with people being able to disagree with you because you’ve never had to deal with that before, you could save yourself the distress by going ANYWHERE else on the web where you’ll not have to see such awful words.

quests are shit last post

>>96480370
>/qst/fags have an entire elaborate mythology about how they were the secret illuminati keeping the board good unti lthey were cast out of /tg/den by Satanmod
lmao

>>96481572
>/qst/ is made
>/tg/ goes to shit
basic cause and effect means 'elaborate mythology' to you? What is 2+2 in your mind, the fucking Iliad?

>>96481572
Moderators like Ape deliberately shaping site culture for their own goals is a known thing and I never said it was keeping the board good just that the Quest purge was emblematic of a driving away of the 3rd generation of libertine creative types.
You can argue that the focus on being a discussion forum without risk* and the efforts to focus hard on the that side of things is what the /here/ should be but that's a different topic.

As long as you don't move anything /here/ into IRL shit obviously.

>>96481618
>board is good
>drive off creative types
>board is a ghost town of bots and bump generals
This is like Kafka on PCP, are normal people supposed to be able to follow this convoluted narrative?!

>>96480970
Remember to tip your jannies.

>>96480970
Malicious and hostile moderation? That's always been its biggest problem.

you guys are lauding the old days of freeform threads and tangents and creativity but the way I see it the "setting question" threads are basically those
yet you have the same wannabe janny in each of them shouting about how it's all off-topic
then people complain about the board being all generals
like wtf does this board even want

okay metafags, who is in the right?
>>96478662
>>96478898

>>96483499
>>96483560
Conceptually OP is, the issue with setting threads is as previously mentioned twofold.
1. Threads that become a void where people just dump their ideas with no engagement or discussion.
2.Bumpfag
Also that Thulsa Doom, and Thulsa Doom always gets his bitches. And besides those threads are mainly cheesecake threads not setting threads and it being an attempted hybrid does not change the core function of invoking his name.

>>96483616
i think setting threads would be fine if it weren't for the eternal scourge of bumpfag, he acts as a discussion blackhole

>>96484688
That's fair but there is sadly a 70% chance that bumpfag is being protected by the moderators because his presence makes the board look more active.

>>96484770
They did put automatic autosage on threads for a long time to try to deal with him. But that just rolled non-empty threads off

>>96480970
That's genuinely upsetting.

>>96483499
It's pretty simple, really. 4chan boards aren't chatrooms for you and your stupid middle school friends to shit yourselves in. If you aren't working on a traditional game, or discussing traditional game design, or collaborating on a traditional game project with others, or sharing useful resources related to traditional game design, or discussing your progress in developing new manufacturing techniques for traditional game assets, you have no reason to post here. Contribute or leave.

>>96483560
Neither, he should be posting in /lit/, or, ideally, not posting at all in favor of killing himself.

>>96486326
Please go to /v/ or /a/ or /tv/ and make similar demands, instead of harassing this particular board.

Go on. Just go to /v/, and say "If you aren't working on a video game, or discussing video game design, or collaborating on a video game project with others, or sharing useful resources related to video game design, or discussing your progress in developing new manufacturing techniques for video game asset, you have no reason to post here."

Go on. Do it.

>>96480987
That's what we're talking about you colossal faggot. If you create something, put it into a PDF and then sign it. Now it can't be stolen. Retard.

>>96486453
No. The discussion is about this board. I'm not making demands, I'm telling you how it is. You will comply or be killed.

>>96486601
yeah dude everyone is going to put their stupid made up stories about game sessions that never happened into pdfs. fuckin retard lmao

>>96486605
You have severe autism.

>>96486328
I think that topic is more suited to here than /lit/

>>96486605
you will never be a janny

>>96480207
Translation: you are a retarded baby who can't figure out how to find pdfs of games. You imagine that whenever anyone posts TRADITIONAL GAMES on the TRADITIONAL GAMES board, they are doing viral marketing, and make the board worse as punishment for this imagined crime.

>>96486817
then you're wrong.

>>96487701
buy an ad faggot

>>96488241
>You must buy an ad to post about traditional games on /tg/

>>96486610
Yeah? Why not? Or at least do it with a secure tripcode and then call the person out, providing proof that you are in fact that person.

>>96480996
Do it faggot. I know you have no argument.