Thread 96450683

Cool Sword Edition

Previously, in the Mortal Realms
>>96436398

>Official AoS website:
https://www.ageofsigmar.com

>Downloads, Rules Errata and FAQs:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/

>Tools
warhammer-community.com/2017/09/26/make-your-own-free-city-the-easy-way-sep26gw-homepage-post-4/
https://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/

>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:
https://aosg.github.io/

>Booru:
https://ageofsigmart.booru.org/index.php

>Thread question:
What are some cool weapons units are holding?

>>96450683 (OP)
I like the hobgrot boss's sword-smeared-with-liquid-of-debated-provenance

>tq
I really like not-gorrok's snake mace, probably my favourite looking weapon in the game. His stabby shield is quite cool too.
Lizards in general have quite nice weapon designs, I especially like the macahuitls with little spiky balls like you see as an option for the carnosaur scarvet. The only miss for me I'd say are the kroxigor maces and the weird spears on the raptodons. Look a bit too top-heavy.

>>96450683 (OP)
>TQ
i love the endrinmasters crazy hammer wrench

>>96450683 (OP)
>TQ
Skullgrinder. Fucker uses a literal Anvil as a flail.

>>96450683 (OP)
>TQ
Really stretching the definition of "weapon" but it had a weapon statline in 3e. The Bloodwyrm the Blood Stalker Krone carries is neat, I wish it still did something.

Since I haven't played AoS actively since 2.0

If I were to use the Git and Run ability with Gloomspite Gitz, would my unit still take damage on the retreat?

Similarly, can the Careening Destruction ability be used to scoot out of combat, as it is an ability to use in the movement phase?

>>96450683 (OP)
>What are some cool weapons units are holding?
The Latchkey Grandaxe and the Latch-Axe.

>>96451356
If theres a weapon in warhammer I'd like to swing around its gotta be whatever the hell fyre slayers got.

>>96451308
In both cases you'd take retreat damage, but G&R has a chance not to if it kills on the roll
Also holy shit 92 dollars for two chariot dudes???

>>96451146
I know Blood Wyrm's are supposed to be hawk sized, but I wish they added a large version as a monstruous unit in DoK.

>>96451308
>If I were to use the Git and Run ability with Gloomspite Gitz, would my unit still take damage on the retreat?
I'd say no. Whilst Git and Run is *a* retreat ability, it's not *the* Retreat ability, and therefore takes no consideration of the capital-R Retreat ability's effect.
>>96451391
Are you sure?

>Kruleboyz Dominion box half for sale
Is it worth it? Can I play spearhead with it? Is it a good launch point for a 1K point army?

>>96451444
Yes depending on the price
Yes
yes

What's the most interesting unique thing each army can do? Either an army ability or something from a character or anything really.

will Chorfs be (excuse my foul language) fun to play?

>>96451391
Gw chariots are obscenely expensive, high elf chariots are also 85 for decade olf sculpts. The ancient tomb kings chariots are 88 for 3.
That's just gw for ya. Remember that they charge a 110 burgerbucks for picrel lol

>>96451627
Signs point to them being a pretty by the numbers shield wall army that uses some magic points to enhance their guys, while the army is supported by bruiser constructs and artillery.

So pretty much copy and paste bonereapers

>>96451847
Is there anything particularly interesting about any factions in this game right now? GW's current policy seems to just make everything different flavors of a handful of mechanics and abilities.

>>96451632
>Remember that they charge a 110 burgerbucks for picrel lol
Never gonna comprehend that.

Any kind of Christmas boxes that anon is hoping for?

>>96451857
FEC

>>96451946
Lumineth haven't gotten one yet iirc

Leak of a chorf warscroll

>>96452428
Oh boy I can't wait to use my daemonic pp on my war machine!

>>96451381
Hell yeah, Anon!

>>96452428
>D3 D3 D3
it's real

>>96452428
>boring
>excessive use of d3
>no spell
yep it's real

>>96451627
The synergies aren't awful (the foot hero does a fighter together but is actually an extra attack), but I imagine it will be like the rest of 4e where people lean heavy into the most efficient scroll. Might be the centaur. The spearmen are pretty tanky but even a 3 up 5 up isn't going to last long in this edition.

>>96452428
Yes this is real, I don't remember the exact stat lines but the ability is the same as I remember.

>the age of sigmar
>the realms get more fucked by chaos than they did in the literal age of chaos

>>96451576
I like how, with the correct setup, you can instantly turn a character into a Daemon Prince by suiciding a different character in Slaves to Darkness. There's something hilarious to me about a dude Leeroy Jenkins'ing himself so your wizard can magical girl transform.

>>96452428
>even the basic foot wizard has once per turn army on his ability

Get me out of this edition already

>>96452744
If you make the guy go into a tzeentch daemon prince, that actually works perfectly from a fluff perspective too.

>>96452741
It kinda helps that without a common enemy, chaos will just infight with itself.

>>96452753
It's too bad that the Tzeentch head is the second coolest one in the kit.

>>96452728
based on the daemonsmith being mediocre >>96452428 it's probably gonna be centaur spam

I wonder how similar the Witcher is with Aos in terms of how they handle the whole different planes schtick.

>>96452428
>5 people instantly claim its real based on anecdotal evidence
Very organic posting. I'm going to take the opposite stance so I can laugh at you retards when it's wrong

>>96453347
There's a D3 chance it's real anon.

>>96453102
Witcher has compeatly unrelated worlds that slamed together once stranding monsters and freakshit in a normie human world.
AoS is just 8 disc world.

There's like 0 connection there

>>96453347
It comes from The Honest Wargamer's more recent stream where he alt tabbed to it. It is quite likely to be real

is there a recommended 'start here' reading list for AoS if you want to actually get into the lore, or follow whatever the main storyline is?

>>96453711
Soul wars, broken realms, wrath of the ever chosen are some things that I remember. Probably dawnbringers too but you really dont need to read that. Might wanna ask for someone to drop some of the books here because I think some of the books I mentioned are oop and hard to find now.

>>96453711
Core rulebook

>>96453102
boss baby vibes

>>96451946
Gitmob with the ridiculously expensive Snarlboss and Artillery

>>96451946
40 gay has been stealing my tzaangors, so hopefully 3 kits of enlightened gors with a lord of change and more tzaangors with extra tzaangors

>>96451946
Like 4-5 Magmadroth

>>96453711
See >>96453762

Best start

>>96453759
NTA but this book is available at my LGS, should I get it? It has Soul Wars + Dominion

>>96451398
You mean something like this?

>>96453963
Maybe something that won't be squatted in a few months

>>96451576
Skulltaker's new FUCK YOU IT'S TIME TO D-D-DUEL rule is cool as hell. I'm pretty sure it's kinda bad, but the idea of some slippery Sylvaneth cunt sneaking away to heal back up, only for Skulltaker to pop out and go FUCK YOU NO RUNNING while ramming the Slayer Sword up their ass is just funny to me.

really hope gw throws fyerslayers a bone

>>96454149
If we see a Magmadroth battleforce we'll know they're leaving and it's a stock clearance attempt

>>96454149
Forget it, the fire dwarves will soon cease to be their own faction and will end up being absorbed by the Kharadron or by the cities of Sigmar or worse still, they will go on permanent vacations like the chaos furries and the cave orks.

>>96454277
Dispossessed are leaving, so it's possible they'll merge them with a rebrand

How much time has passed in the lore since the first edition until now in the fourth, years, decades or centuries?

>>96454374
150 years~ 3-4 generations

>>96453889
Both are only alright, I'd say. Soul Wars has some decent bits but is kind of dreary and slow, while Dominion is bonkers.
I don't know what the Chris Wraight book is.

>>96454373
How'd you reckon?

>>96454406
There are no Dispossessed kits available for sale? What do you think is going to happen when the battletome drops?

>>96454396
only 150 years, I was expecting something like 300 or 500 years

>>96451356
The fact that it doubles as a key to huge as treasure vault is fucking dope

>>96454422
You were expecting wrong
the timeskips between one edition and the next are getting shorter and shorter

also because we have more and more non-immortal characters

>lgs still has 2 year old lizard army set for sale
>wargaming almost dead in the area
>takes up a fair amount of space
>0 discount
I'd like to pick it up but not for the standard price especially when the battletome is out of date. This thing has been sitting there for at least half a year, probably since it was originally released.

>>96454464
make him an offer for it that removes the cost of the battletome then

>>96454441
How many years are we talking about between editions?

Guys, this link contains the 4th edition PDFs, so take advantage because the link will be down on the 5th of this month.

https://files dot fm/u/p2hjvag9e8

>>96454474
I probably will, I'm just a bit baffled on why it's still full price. Not my regular gs, so I don't know how succesful the business usually is.

>>96454502
My mistake is that it contains the PDFs from the 1st to the 3rd edition and some extra bonus. This one contains the PDFs from the 4th edition.

https://files dot fm/u/q2z44k2gnz

>>96454509
In many stores, it's fine for boxes to sit on shelves for many years, they don't necessarily lose value (though army sets with old edition battletomes do suffer some), especially because when GW increases prices, such boxes are generally never included, which means they get more valuable over time. Old christmas battleforces are usually very good deals if you can find them, for example, even if they're not discounted from their original price. At my lgs, it's not all that uncommon for a box to get picked up kind of randomly after sitting on the shelves for years.

>>96454545
That makes sense, thanks. The store I usually go to is in an area with a pretty active scene and is quite small, so stuff that doesn't sell gets a bit of a discount quickly. This other one is quite a bit bigger.

>>96454527
was literally searching for these recently, you're a legend!

Does anyone know how much it would cost to buy all the army boxes from 1st to 4th edition?

>>96454618
What do you mean, like evey single army set they brought out over the last decade?

>>96454618
too much

>>96454618
no, retard

guys how much would it cost to buy technical paint for bases for 2k armies from 2017 to 2025

>>96454618
Probably about $10000

>>96451891
It's because it's a bunch of metal models together.
A single metal model is cheaper than a plastic one in TOW for some reason, but a group of metal models increases the price by a fair margin.

>>96454766
I assume there's some treshhold at which weight becomes an issue

>>96454773
That doesn't really explain why a metal character on foot is £9 but a plastic one of the same size is double the price at £18.

>>96454705
10,000 what? Dollars, euros, or Mexican pesos

>Colony of Bats
SOVL

>>96454822
Read

>>96454790
And a resin character is more expensive than either. For some reason the cost scaling from most to least expensive is Resin-Plastic-Metal, but it breaks down for certain metal models for whatever reason.

>>96454926
I wanted to say that's a big fucking archregents, but it might actually be the courtier

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bjt7alwf/the-rumour-engine-2nd-of-september/

Surprised no one has posted the rumor engine yet. Looks like an elf spear, they love that leaf-bladed style. Lot of elf looking RE's lately..

>>96454822
Are you illiterate?
>>96454990
Was about to post it myself. Lots of wood elfy re's lately. Cool be for tow, could be kurnothi. I don't think we've got solid rumours either way?

>>96452774
I like tzeentch shit so much but hate the avian parts. Wish they leaned more into lovecraft or something like the mutalith or ephilim for the head, I love the xenomorph tail they got in the kit as well.

>>96453347
I claimed it's real because I've seen the book, I don't expect you to believe me but I'm not sure what you're expecting or what motivates you to think that it may not be real. The scroll itself is "ok", I'm just thankful it doesn't require a 3+ roll. The construct itself is pretty tanky (2+ save, 10 wounds), so you might get some mileage out of it.

>>96455040
>I don't think we've got solid rumours either way?
We've got a complete absence of rumors for both, but right now I think Kurnothi is more likely just based on the UW band and GW pushing them during the Dawnbringer Campaign, vs Wood Elves...for which the only evidence is that they've gotten literally nothing from TOW so far, so surely it's their turn, surely.

new rumor dropped

>>96455269
Anything for CoS?

>>96455269
the only other post of this guy was after the new edition cinematic trailer, but before the actual box contents were confirmed

the cinematic trailer didn't show a grey seer, that's the only part where the post diverges from a simple speculation based on the cinematic

no other posts, the confirmation that some elements of the range are going away can only come from having had a look at the battletome, which may mean the ogre book is getting produced ahead of time right now, maybe for a release in a few months or early next year?

>>96455296
the exact number of miniatures in the boxset was also correct
that number couldn't have been purely the result of speculation from the cinematic as many stormcast heroes or handlers aren't showcased

>>96455269
This guy got the skaventide box mostly correct, predicted it would have 74 minis and all of the skaven contents but the warlock engineer. Those weren't too hard to guess to be fair but the 74 is still pretty specific.
>rip leadbelchers
I fucking hope not?
Seeing the 2019 tyrant go would also be weird, but I guess stranger things have happened (e.g. wight king on steed)

>>96455296
Wasn't that long after whitefangbackmeup leaked everything?

>>96455269
Have a hard time believing it, but why not at this point.

>>96455269
Damn didn’t realize ogors are such a woman heavy (hehe) army, having 2 out of 3 unique heroes be women lmao

>>96455352
>ogors have no women
>ogors have no named characters
Through backwards induction it's clear all the named characters are women

>>96455316
I don't remember whitefangbackmeup leaking everything, I do remember someone namedropping the gryph stalker and another otherwise unknown skavenfag getting things mostly correct about the skaven wave of models, including the new verminlord

>>96455352
That part kinda makes me think he's trolling. Seriously, "Daughter of Glob Glittermaw" as a new character? Especially when Whitefang pretty much confirmed we were getting Glob.

>>96455314
The Ogre foot soldier kits are all basically interchangeable, if they refresh the Gluttons and Ironguta then Leadbelchers would naturally be left behind. I hope they keep the old kits around by sending them back to TOW, but those rumors have far less follow up there from my understanding.

>>96455364
I'm fairly sure he droped the full unit list for Skaven at some point, including zoomed in picture of the big ratogre guy

>>96455352
The cook might be a woman too, who knows
Unless that one is specifically not a woman because it would be sexist

Also if leadbelchers are RIP, does that mean ironjawz can take ranged cannon wielders now? Probably not since that’d be too close to ‘fun’

>>96455379
No that was definitely the other guy I was talking about, not one of the whitefangs
He did list a lot of skaven stuff that turned out to be correct, including some very specific names, but I don't remember an exact list of the starter set contents specifically

>>96455435
Ironjaws don't use gunpowder and those designs aren't fun, they're shit.

>>96455439
Yeah your memory lines up with mine. The most detailed Skaventide leaks came from some one and done guy from Singapore. He vanished afterwards and never returned.

In any case Starter Boxes are literally the most leaked things in existence, so even getting them right doesn't give a lot of credibility points with me, personally.

>>96455435
Why would IJ make use of morky tactics?

>>96455371
Yeah I know leadbelchers and ironguts are just glutton upgrade sprues. But it would be very weird to let one of them go, especially the most unique of the two upgrades? Leadbelchers are a pretty iconic unit.

>>96455449
How do they siege cities then?
>>96455457
Big booms and heavy recoil don’t seem
Morky to me

every army will be pozzed
get ready for black female ogors and chorfs

>>96455466
Is there an explanation for why Ogres got gunpowder in AoS like there is them stealing the secret from Sky Titans in Fantasy? Could be a way to make them more “AoS” moving forward, though considering past squatting there doesn’t need to be an explanation really.

>>96454990
Actually it looks like a kurnothi arrow tip

>>96455363
They do have named characters in the battletome lore though. Globb Glittermaw is effectively the faction leader for the "Gutbuster" side, so this leak suggesting he's been passed over for his "daughter" to get a model instead is kinda wild.

>>96455269
assuming this is real, all the stuff going away is pretty expected with the big exception of the new tyrant and leadbelchers?!? they're a pretty iconic unit.
Wasn't there some guy on here also posting a "rumour' that included the new tyrant getting removed? like two weeks ago.
>>96455457
I don't know if chainshot cannoballs still qualify as morky to be fair

>>96453347
It was 3 people, not 5, and 2 of them were very obviously doing the pessimistic joke of "It's shit so it's real"

>>96455528
>Is there an explanation for why Ogres got gunpowder in AoS
Yes. It's pretty close to the same lore. And considering the cannons aren't on the supposed removal list, no reason to think that's changing.

>>96455548
With how big he apparently is, maybe they screwed themselves on making his model. A gargant sized Ogor would be neat though.

>>96455454
>Singapore
That was it, found it, this was everything he said

>>96455491
If using artillery sounds too "complex" for IJ, i think it would be neat for them to use something like slingshots for ranged damage, but instead of using a tiny rock and a rope it could be a boulder and a chain, and if something got too close the ork can just smash it with the rock.

>>96455366
>Especially when Whitefang pretty much confirmed we were getting Glob.
Not really, there's a lot of leeway here.

>>96455491
>How do they siege cities then?
Exactly how people did before gunpowder and other forms of artillery.

You rush with stairs, encircle the city until it dies of starvation, or rush with a battering ram to gently knock at the door.

>>96455589
orc boomerangs when

>>96455622
A rogue idol would make a good battering ram, so I’ll take that if I can’t get cannons

>>96455641
Ironjawz do not use ranged weapons you fucking lorelet

>>96455269
>RIP leadbelchers
NO NO NO NOOOOOOOO

>>96455533
Huh yeah pretty spot on, good catch.
>>96455673
And where in that three word sentence did you spot "ironjawz" you blind retard

>>96455692
nice TOW model

>>96455641
that wouldn't work as a boomerang

>>96455673
Kinda like how they don’t have blacksmiths right?

>>96452428
anotha one

>>96455758
The chain fight ability is actually decent, but man control score abilities are just such a dud

>>96455269
They're getting rid of the mawpot!?!?

>>96455269
BTW Whitefang just liked this post
It's ogre

>>96455758
>>96452428
>it's dead, jim

>>96455806
"unique butcher (war machine)" kinda implies that will be the mawpot going forward, like skrag

if the mawp[i]t instead becomes the new standard scenery then people might use the old mawp[o]t as stand in for that in any case

>>96455826
1 wound on a 5-man squad is fucking insane. Dwarfs squishier than Skryre Acolytes...
>>96455831
Ahhh, that makes sense.

Real happy that it seems ogres are still persisting. Females or not, as long as the miurnfang don’t look like shit (like the old/current ones do) I’d be real happy.

>>96455824
>it's true
welp

Female ogres are a win/win scenario
>they're too ugly
Well they're ogres after all
>they're not too ugly (see blood bowl resin ogre ladies)
I love fat bitches

>>96455826
war despot is ok but these stats are bullshit, considering even globadiers have 2 wounds,so either a missprint or somebody filled these from memory

>>96455883
rob confirmed the flame'urlaz are one wound if that matters to you

>>96455847
>>96455883
So much for the dwarf-things' constitution!

>>96455824
>>96455864
Rip leadbelchers

>>96455911
yeah just saw that but this feels like its gonna get errated fast, like they did with bastiladon not having skink keyword
or maybe they arent 5 model per unit

>>96455826
>once per turn army

Make it stop. MAKE IT STOP

>>96455920
lmao I was considering buying a heavy Leadbelchers list

>>96455963
Why? They’ve been kind poopy shitty for the past 2 editions.

>>96455963
same but thankfully I elected to hold off
>>96455968
big boom funny

>>96455968
nta but coolest unit in the game conceptually

>>96455929
also need to point out the warscrolls feel like work in progrress documents seeing as regular ones have at least some art or models instead of huge blank spaces and the borders for abilities look iffy

>>96455920
A sad day indeed. Although as someone who has a fully painted Ogor army already, desu it's not like I was ever gonna throw down hundreds of dollars to start over just because they were updated. Basically the same reason I passed on the new skelly box this year, I already have dozens of painted up Grave Guard and what not, even if they look like shit it's not worth "upgrading".

At best I'll maybe grab some characters or new units and just play Ogres in TOW, I dunno man. Gonna have to wait and see.

>another faction arrives to shit itself and do nothing
bravo. James

>>96455986
These leaked warscrolls are recreations made in the warscroll builder site (presumably in some attempt to avoid copyright?)
same colors and stuff

>>96455963
Hey you can run them in TOW lmao

>>96455269
the more fatty things I assume it's just underworlds or some completely new type of unit

>>96456083
neither refreshing or squatting gnoblars is insane
what's with them leaving dogshit old sculpts like those and plague monks around for so long

>>96455269
Taking a 2nd look at this, now that it's confirmed.

Unique Tyrant-Bullshit swerve to stick the daughter in there as effectively the main character going forward, don't like it

Unique Butcher/War Machine. Fine, I guess. I always liked the Firebellies and Beastclaw Hunter/Shaman stuff more than Butchers, desu

Unique Maneater. Ok, sure. No new Maneaters though, apparently

New Hunters: What, as a unit?
New Mournfangs: I have like 12 of the old ones, I don't give a fuck
New Butchers: The old ones are hideous, so fine
New Tyrant: It's gonna look worse than the old one somehow, I'm confident
>New Gluttons/Ironguts: Whatever, I'm not going out of my way to be replacements if I don't have to
RIP Icebrow/Frost Sabres: BOOO. Also, kinda weird that they brought back the UW version if they're just gonna squat him 5 minutes later?
RIP Firebelly: Tragic
RIP Icefall Yhetees, justified, but I don't like how much Everwinter associated stuff we're losing here. I always liked the Beastclaw Theme more than the Gutbusters one. Though maybe that's the 2nd wave
RIP Leadbelchers: Beyond tragic, one of the most iconic units, and replaced with what...Hunters?
RIP Great Mawpot: OK sure
RIP Tyrant: Fuck you GW

Overall, I'll wait and see the models and overall direction, but as an Ogor player, sounds like they went in the least interesting possible direction, I'm not excited. Especially if the new models are modeled off of the Bloodpelt Hunter, who looks retarded.

>>96456153
one possibility is that the dude has an incomplete picture or forgot about them
another is that gw is keeping them because they're not important enough nor have they shown any peculiar signs of aging, as a design or kit

monks and eshin are clearly meant for some warcry shit that got inexplicably delayed

>>96456161
Perhaps the "new hunters" will be a ranged squad that replaces leadbelchers.

>>96456181
I could see that. Not really what I would call a trade up, though.

>>96455920
>refuse to buff the only ranged infantry in the army for 3 editions in a row
>squat it

they didnt deserve that.

>>96456314
Maybe they’ll also be an upgrade sprue? Or a rebranded name? Who knows.

>>96456341
It really depends. Like they might just get rid of guns entirely and make the new Ogors leaning more in a Caveman direction.

>>96456369
nightmare scenario god please no

>>96456314
Making the unit unpopular is one way to receive less backlash when you delete it.

All these refreshes are not giving me hope for anything beyond a pity hero for tzeentch.
At least sylvaneth might have some stuff in the works, and that’s my side piece army.

Lewdbelchers had to go because there are no more normal cannons left around

>>96456372
I don't want it either, I'm just saying it's not off the table.

Honestly at this point I'm just prepping myself to accept the new range to be effectively a new army with at best limited overlap with the Ogre army I already have.

Another possibility I'm imagining is that a reimagined Maneaters unit could incorporate one or more Leadbelchers as the heavy weapon guy of the group

>>96456422
maneaters aren't on the list

What is Warhammer Adventures? A game, novels, or comics?

>>96456452
Young reader-oriented novels. Like from 9-12 age range.

>>96456083
what if EVERYTHING (except the mawpit and the gorgers) was to go away?

the female special character on monster might be a dual kit for the new monster of the faction that substitutes the stonehorn and thundertusk

the butcher special character on war machine might be a dual kit with the new war machine of the faction that substitutes the scraplauncher and ironblaster

and the new gluttons and ironguts will probably come with enough gnoblars in the kit to substitute the old gnoblars

>>96456452
Entry level books for kids.

>>96456434
They also aren't stated to be gone, though. They could be included under "other fatty things". Plus, in this edition where they're playing around with cross-GA Regiments of Renown, it seems inevitable to have one for the OG mercenaries.

>>96456452
books for young children, but it's mostly just for parents who are too squeamish to just have their kids read normal Bl books

>>96456452
I dunno if dark is the word I’m looking for, but these books do cover some things that you wouldn’t think they would

>>96456369
You mean like converting Ogors into the new Bonesplinters?.
If thats the case, why remove Frost Sabres and Firebellies? They are very cavemen.

>>96456548
Ones ugly as hell
The others finecast

>>96456552
No no, i mean why remove the units and not just make them new in plastic??

>>96456593
probably for a second wave. they'd fit better as a warcry release anyways

>>96456593
If you remove one Ogor infantry, they all have to go because they share a body sprue. It'd be weird to update vargheists and leave horrors/flayers

is there any worse hobbying feeling than a bit falling off your desk and inexplicably disappearing off the face of the earth

>>96456738
A bit breaking as you clip it off of the sprue. Anyone else ever had that hobgrot with the peg leg snap while cutting it out? Happened to me twice!

FEMALE OGORS

>>96456761
adding insult to injury, the bit disappeared *after* i cleaned up all the mold lines

>>96456738
Yes, randomly finding the bit six months later when it's far too late to be useful to you.

>>96456738
Seeing where the bit landed but having it bounce off into oblivion the moment you reach to get it.

Another rumor drop from the guy who just posted the Ogor stuff.
>AOS Warhammer Quest Nurgle

>>96456988
bro I can see her nipples

>>96456964
>>AOS Warhammer Quest
Please. Make it good this time. Shadows Over Hammerhal and Cursed City had their charm, but Silver Tower's unabashed silliness was peak. More of that.

>>96456964
Fuck yes fuck yes fuck yes
Please give me some cool bugs as enemies James
Plague monks too!

>>96457024
thats a man. ogres have manboobs

>>96456988
bro I can't see her guts, gal's starved

>>96456964
Is that the elusive mosscairn?

>>96456964
Neat, I'm down for more Warhammer quest. Hopefully Nurgle doesn't get as fucked as SBGL and cities did.

>>96457101
Actually yeah that seems likely. Warhammer Quest game set in Ghyran, also could explain all the Kurnothi/Wood Elf looking rumor engines recently.

>>96456964
>>96457101
Oh shit guys
>Nurgle antagonists
>Nurgle has a big presence in Ghyran, where Mosscairn is
>Sylvaneth would logically be there to fight them off
>We have some very nature-y rumour engines right now

>>96457101
>>96457119
Do warhammer quest names get copyrighted/trademarked whatever?

>>96456964
I was kinda hoping they would have done a second warhammer quest for 40k.

>>96457170
I'm surprised they didn't, honestly. I guess they figured AoS Quest deserved another shot after the Cursed City debacle.

>>96457182
I ain't gonna complain, well until I see the fucking price GW slaps on this one.

>>96457170
Yeah I was hoping for/betting on something like "Warhammer Quest: Webway" with Drukhari and/or Daemons as antagonists

>>96457125
Fuck, that actually makes sens

>>96457125
>>Sylvaneth would logically be there to fight them off
It'd be the goddamn furries, not sylvaneth.

>>96457278
it can be both, trees can be kurnothi too

>>96457208
gay

>>96457278
I was kind of using "sylvaneth" as synecdoche for the whole trees + wood elves + troll doll furries alliance

>>96457278
Even better

>>96457303
fuck you they both need new models

I hope Mosscairn(?) has an oddball hero or two like Silver Tower having the Darkoath Chieftain
It would be so cool to have something like a Tzeentch sorcerer or Spiderfang shaman who have enough of a bone to pick with Nurglites that they'd work with Order dudes

>>96457344
I'm just down for any weird unique sculpts they can toss in. I'm hoping for completely unique but that kinda shot Cursed City in the foot for models coming back in the future. But I just like special cool models and I'll be excited to see what weird shit comes from this.

>>96457344
Silent ones?

>>96457344
I want more shadow elves reeee

Who IS in charge of warhammer quest anyways? Is it just an IP that changes hands whenever?

>>96457901
Mainline studio i think
It's not considered a specialist game like Necromunda or Bloodbowl(even though Dungeon Bowl is a thing)

>>96457921
kill team and warcry are considered part of the mainline studio right? I guess it would make sense for warcry being on downtime for so long if they were working on the next quest game.

Im trying to get my friends in to spearhead, but to no avail!
They are either to stuck on 40k, or to lazy to try something new. How do I persuade them?

>>96457921
I think they're slowly killing the specialist game studio and slowly making everything mainline

>>96458046
Nah, Specialist Game Studio is just what they renamed Forgeworld to. They already make half the "mainline" games (HH, TOW) in the same way that the Mainline Studio also makes sidegames like Warhammer Quest, Kill Team and Underworlds.

>>96457515
Not in Ghurr unfortunately, but anythings possible. You can get some weird one shot models!

>>96457344
Questing FEC paladin hero please James

>>96458068
That's what I'm saying, they are going to kill forgeworld at some point

Do you think they will show some new models this week??

>"What the future holds is anyone’s guess. Dozens of factions are in play, and there is fear that a new Age of Chaos is dawning with the rise of the Skaven and the movement of the Helsmiths of Hashut. We’ll be taking a peek into the future with a final article next week, about what may be coming for the Mortal Realms."

>>96458106
What are the chances of WHQ finally having a weird split roster of heroes? Since you are right FEC is from Ghyran technically!

>>96458190
nope

>>96458190
I say we’re getting the concept of a roadmap tomorrow.

>>96458160
>They're going to kill the studio that makes half their games at some point
Anon, I think your brain might be broken

After looking at unit points i'm surprised some units cost way more than what they look

>Brutes 200points

>Bestigors 220 points

Unless there's an BoC vet what's good with bestigors? never seen them on board before getting legend'ed

>>96458190
Fantasy
>1 hero mini
>Cathay in shambles

HH
>A billion new minis

40k
>A hero on a bike or jetpack
>Perhaps an army box

Age of Sigmar
>Chorf centaurs and perhaps hobgoblins
>Army that you main will get nothing while the army you hate will get minis

what compels rumormongers to become cryptic?

for fuck's sake

>>96455920
Whats the fucking point of chaos dorfs giving cannons as payment to ogors or them looting from cities of sugmar??

There was even lore that ogors loved the sound and destruction of the cannons, so what? they are now gonna use gnoblar snipers??

>>96458266
anon, that quote only refers to Age of Sigmar, not any other games.

>>96458336
Sorry anon, i turbo autism'ed myself

>>96455883
>pic
>loves bvlls
Lol I knew the Chorfs were a bunch of cucks.

>>96458275
the attention

>>96458244
You really think that gw wants to deal with this separate entity when they could fold everything under their main studio and have things be less convoluted for no reason

>>96458275
Charitably, it’s because the sources are images or secondhand knowledge that can be misinterpreted and thus they don’t want to relay outright incorrect info. Uncharitably it’s for attention.

>>96456964
>>96457101
>Warhammer Quest Mosscairn
WINNING!WINNING!WINNING!

>>96458671
KINO models but no rules support

ANYONE have new Ushoran novel to share?

For the love of Summerking!

>>96458703
temporary rules support!

But cool models are forever!

>>96458746
https://gofile.io/d/PtjK8v

>>96458754
You I know there's no reason we shouldn't have both

>>96458781
Oh no I do, and I 100% agree as a SBGL player with Cursed city... I just have to cope because GW fucked me on that one.

>>96458771
cheers

>>96458275
Combination of the fake ones not wanting to look wrong and the real ones not wanting to compromise their sources.

>>96455269
>Hunters
>Plural
Hmmmm, could replace Leadbelchers
I wonder if "more fatty things" refers to Gnoblars

>>96459157
gnoblars are quite scrawny

>Ogors getting chopped
>No ogors using gnobblars as chain whip
Whats the point anons....

Jokes aside, do ogor players here not want the change or still waiting for the leak to look at the new minis and think about it?

>>96459286
Are there actually any ogor players here?

Also ogor lady tits.

>>96459286
The kits will likely be harder to kitbash providing less value overall, and Leadbelchers were cool even if they sucked. However if the new stuff really does look good the negatives will probably be overlooked by and large.

AGE OF SIGMAR

>>96459286
I guess a lot depends on how the new ogres look. Are we getting something like the new tyrant, icebrow or cities warhulk?

>>96459459
Yes anon, that's where we are.

>>96459459
You claim to play Age of Sigmar and yet you don't know Sigmar's age hmm curious

>>96459198
Currently

Do we have the Nighthaunt tome?

>>96459314
I play Ogors. Nervous about the changes, it's sounding like it could be a bit closer to a High Elf-LRL transition than like, Skaven or Vampires. Good chance most of my existing models aren't compatible, especially if they do something like increase the base sizes of basic Gluttons from 40" to 50"

I love Ogors but I really don't want to have to effectively buy and paint a whole new army, and who knows where they're going to go with them aesthetically if even the plastic Tyrant is getting pushed out.

>>96459604
I hope the best for ya anon, I don't need another army (but I'll probably fucking wind up with one AGAIN) but an Ogor update would be neat to see if not just to make them larger and more intimidating. But I hope you get something that you'd like and they don't gut (heh) the faction.

I'm still pissed about small base size change, graveguard styled changes don't deserve to happen to anyone.

Did they say when we could expect the new retrospective article that would be a sneakpeak? Tomorrow (wednesday)?

>>96459681
Yeah, should be tomorrow as the 10 year articles have all been on Wednesdays.

>Anvil of Apotheosis so lame you can't even give a FEC hero a shield despite the obvious kitbash from Morbheg Knight leftovers
Even the narrative stuff is streamlined...

>>96459604
you'll get slackjawed drooling inbreds and you'll like it

>>96459508
It's at least 5,000

>>96459694
4e is so fucking soulless we'll be lucky if the franchise survives it

So the guy that dropped the ogre and mosscairn stuff apparently also mentioned it's not looking good for wacry, which whitefang seemed to corroborate...
Also more speculation about a fyreslayer rebrand floating around from a different guy
All around very lively day for aos rumours

>>96460211
>Also more speculation about a fyreslayer rebrand floating around from a different guy
That was Nezzhil, who has previously mentioned that he had a source (who leaked him some info on Chorfs) that also told him "Don't worry about Fyreslayers, they're coming a different way"

>>96460259
hopefully a way that doesnt squat peoples collections in the process. the last thing we need is another sacrosanct situation

>>96454926
How dare those stormcast rapscallions attack those noble knights and their majestic griffin

>>96460259
Good to know there's at least some credibilty behind the guy then.
>>96456964
So what's everyone's expectations for the nurgle side of mosscairn (?) then? For comparison, cursed city came with:
-10 zombies
-10 skellies
-around 10 swarm units
-2 big ogres
-3 bloodborn weird vampire thingies
-3 or 4 characters (radukar, gorslav,...)
-big vargskyr
Pestigors are a lock, could we see updated plaguebearers, new nurgling swarm, ...?

>>96460372
>Good to know there's at least some credibilty behind the guy then.
He can be confusing because he does have some connections and has gotten things right in the past but also tends not to separate his knowledge from his personal speculation. In this case at least he was transparent about it.

>>96460372
Hoping and coping for Plague Monks (probably not a full squad, but a sample size like what they did with the hostiles in Blackstone Fortress)

>>96460211
WHAT
ABOUT
CITIES

>>96459694
Such is the way of Modern GW and chasing the mythical wider audience. The streamlining will continue until morale improves.

>>96460211
>fyreslayer rebrand
they need to just dump in the waste bin and bring in normal dwarves. They're the least popular faction by a wide margin for a reason, short naked hairy men only appeals to a very small audience.

>>96460211
>it's not looking good for wacry
Come on what the fuck

>>96460672
Honestly ya. Slayers are really only interesting when they're a small cult present in a larger faction. What's the point of being a screaming suicidal lunatic when everyone else around you is also that?

>>96460657
Holy shit the rumours just keep coming today. Also here's a city mention.

>>96460697
>What's the point of being a screaming suicidal lunatic when everyone else around you is also that?
it looks pretty fucking funny

They will remake Fyreslayers like the Flameseekers Warcry band. Fire dwarves but not "we have naked barbarian with axe, and naked barbarian with bigger axe, and naked barbarian with 2 axes, and naked barbarian with long axe, and..."

>>96460736
some of these feel a bit redundant

Is it worth actually learning the game in its current state? Everything I know about AOS 4th and 40k 10th tells me it's a shitshow and things might possibly turn around in the next editions.

>>96460841
It's certainly weird, blight kings seem like the last kit in need of a refresh for example. Plague Troggoths seem cool though, and I assume the 'skullcrushers' are something like picrel?

>>96460736
>heavy armor nurgle
I know some nurgle units have armor but this feels a bit redundant given nurgles gimmick

>>96450683 (OP)
What model is this? I want to steal these arm bits

>>96460922
thank god I don't have trypophobia becauase jesus those toads are gross

>>96460922
Skull crushers might sadly be something like the rot knights instead. Hopefully it is toads though because that would have more charm, and be a potential dual kit.
>>96460918
if you have someone who wants to gayme with its not horrible to go through

>>96460962
I think that looking at (and sometimes buying) nurgle models over the years actually got me over it

Honestly big nurgle update would fall in line with new WHQ stuff, same thing happened with SBGL. They got WHQ then the rest of the range dropped and blew everyone's dicks off.

>>96460962
Forgeworld stuff from that era looked like ass in general. Ever seen old bull centaurs renders? Horrible.

>>96461033
Hey, the Great Unclean One, Greater Blight Drone, and Plague Hulk were excellent.

>>96460736
>Festus: monster and huge.

So Festus ascended to daemonhood, or maybe he is riding a super massive leech-worm.

>>96461079
I kinda hope he just got him confused with tarhmakun

>>96460672
>>96460697
>>96460749
I would prefer an optional sidegrade as to not invalidate my Fyrehold.

>>96460736
That's it?

>>96456988
hold gently like hamburger

....
and then eat like hamburger

>>96457024
Mods are on holidays rn. Some dudes been posting irl naked transgirls in chastity cages in /40kg/ since Friday and every single one of them is still there today

>>96456738
Yes. Losing the bit, replacing the bit with something you like way less, prime the model, paint the model, find the bit as soon as you're done painting

>>96461211
Ogres don't like eating gnoblars, they taste like shit, barely have any meat on them, and are better used as pets/entertainment.

>>96450683 (OP)
Tzaangor weapons are pretty cool imo. I like their greatsword most, but there’s a good variety of Tzeentchy weaponry in the kit

>>96461276
Hell yeah. I especially love the mutant's sword, the axe-club-thing, and the chainswords.

>>96460736
Armored dudes with giant daemons was the list I was planning to get so I suppose I'll wait now

>>96461245
They will eat them though if push comes to shove.
I mean, the fuckers will literally eat (and digest) rocks if they're hungry enough

>>96461245
Plus accidentally eating another ogre's pet gnoblar could be cause for a fight

>just bought and started painting the first Ogor spearhead
>both excited and mildly concerned about these rumors

Please be kind to the fat-fucks, GW, I'm on my hands, knees, and gut.

>>96461592
I really hope they don't shitcan leadbelchers, I love the idea of a guy so big his pistol is basically a handcannon

>>96461601
I mean, ogres do have ogre pistols, which are more or less the same size as old empire handguns were.
Canning belchers would be a mistake though, unless they decide to fold belchers in with maneaters, which I guess could work

>>96461601
They're going to get effected either way. The entire Ogor range is basically a single torso sprue with arms as upgrades.

But I do want them to stay, absolutely.

>>96461673
Honestly if the Ogor refresh was just more torso and arm styles that were compatible with the old arms and torsos it’d be the best case scenario. But that’s just not how they make models nowadays…

>>96461732
How dare you even suggest they make a new kit that's modular and allows kitbashing right out of the box. Shame on you, Anon. Get in the Mawpot.

>>96460970
I'm wondering how much of this is based on total war, since they got their big nurgle wave.

Maybe it's festus and the literal leech (Tamurkhan) on a toad dragon with some rot knights and big hefty armored fucks.

Played my first ever game of Spearhead, Skaven vs Seraphon. Unfortunately, it felt like my opponent was neglecting to inform me of several rules. In his defense, he seemed as new as me

>>96462012
Happens more often than you'd think, I had an SoB game against Skaven and the guy said his Verminlord teleport ability was an item so I had brodd go over to yoink it. After like 2 rounds of flubbed rolls and chasing it across my backline I got my 3 and then found out it was a battle trait and not an item...

Is there are chance Kurnothi end up with CoS as Wanderer replacement?

>>96462304
Maybe like 5% chance. Don't count on it.

I don't mind Krethusa. After reading the truly terrible Dawnbringers shite, she's definately a character with a ton of potential. I don't like the idea of "good guy" Khainites that are only trying to help etc but we'll have to see where her plot goes... assuming it goes anywhere, and this isn't a Ynnari/Yvraine thing were the most interesting plot in the whole setting is forgotten and goes no where.

>>96462304
Kurnothi are clearly going to get a proper, full release in AoS someday after all the lore/models we've got recently, but there's no way they'll be CoS.
They'll either be their own very small army, or an army within an army, a part of the Sylvaneth like the Gitmob in the Gloomspite.

>an army within an army,
I-its called a subfaction, anon.

>>96462422
You knew what I meant, don't be slut.

Had to have had one of the most bizarre AoS themed dreams ever
>Be me, me
>Inna city, big chillin'
>Suddenly feel something in my mouth
>A fishing line???
>Try to pull it out
>Feel a rod poke my neck
>A WHOLE FISHING POLE???
>Freaking out now, try to find a doctor
>Find an ambulance
>The two ladies say "sorry we don't help fish"
>I'm a giant talking sturgeon???
>Stagger over to some house, some medieval doctors are there
>They say they could save me but the procedure would take a while
>As I'm waiting, choking on a fishing pole, a giant bird snatches me and drops me in front of some ogors
>They're about to eat me but a screaming, talking fish fascinates them so they humor me and promise to take out the fishing pole and remove the fish curse to boot
>They cut open my throat and chin, yank the pole out (one keeps it), and mend me by taking the two split halves of my jaw and holding them together going "be big boy and scream less (they fucking cut me open with a jagged blade I am screaming in agony)
>Procedure done, fish curse gone
>I was skaven the whole time
>Also one of the four founders of the city so the humans have respect for splitjaw ratman

>>96462490
Sounds like you've realized you're a furry and want to be dommed by big lads. Bad dragon does sales every black friday, and the chance is super comfy and flexible. The squirting ones are super worth it Might also mean that you want to start rats which might be a good idea while the starter sets are cheap

>>96462611
I saw a person with a bad dragon bumper sticker on my way home from work a while back.
Worst part is? I am also entirely certain that their fursona was an orca.

>>96462642
There you go, you've already got a friend to play with and also could get them into aos

>>96462647
Oh, I'm a different guy, forgot to mention. No idea who it was. Never seen it again either.

>>96462655
I'm sure your knots will cross another day

>>96460736
>refresh putrid blightkings

>>96462403
>like the Gitmob in the Gloomspite.
STOP DOING THIS SHIT

>>96460736
>refresh the best kit in the game with bits galore
yeah no, this game is officially soulless

>>96462833
AoS cannot have a thousand small battletomes, some tomes are umbrellas for multiple factions, accept it

>>96462833
Microfactions are gay as fuck

>>96462836
I mean the pusgoyles themselves do have a decent amount of bits too. Not nearly as much, but yeah.
It is curious

what kind of AoS youtuber would you watch?

>>96462811
>>96462836
Could just be an etb kit for the mosscairn game, and not a full one replacement

>>96462901
I've reached the age where youtube is just a glorified spotify for me, so I dont really care.
but just to play devils advocate, I guess someone with a nice voice, and a sense of humor that isnt too overt.

>>96462901
One that relays batreps of his groups path to glory games as a narrative story.

>>96462901
I'd watch the shit out of some dude who went actual apeshit whenever he saw +2 on D3 in any of his videos. Constant ripping into the state of 4th edition would be great too, I'd watch compilations of that shit.

That one guy that asked for cos leaks, this is the latest post by the ogre/nurgle leaker. Seems like he's enjoying the attention. Crixxit is a skaven deathmaster hired by belakor.

>>96462959
>anvilguard traditionalist
cool idea, I dread the execution, gw doesn't have the balls to have genuine hatred between factions, let alone towards morathi

>>96460736
KINO

>>96462959
Can someone ask the bastard if there’s anything of note for disciples of tzeentch

anyone got a ghosts of barak minoz pdf? i got arkanaut's oath paperback but the second book is far more scarce and expensive

>>96462395
>Ynnari/Yvraine thing were the most interesting plot in the whole setting is forgotten and goes no where
It's not Space Marines so people are not buying it, so GW doesn't make more of it, despite even the novel author wanting to write more of it.

>>96462395
>>96463073
This is all personal specualtion, but I believe the Ynnari plotline was a special case. Basically, that whole thing happened shortly after Slaanesh's disappearance from the first edition of AoS, and was probably intended to be the method to oust Slaanesh from 40k if no one cared about them being MIA from AoS. That didn't happen though, and they were left with a group of characters that were a dead end plot wise since they flat out couldn't continue their storyline.

>>96463082
Aren't they basically used as a way to run soup eldar nowadays?

>>96463095
That was more or less what they debuted as. Though, as I said, Ynnari were very much presented as "The answer to Slaanesh" initially. And since people actually gave a damn about Slaanesh, their plotline had to be dropped.

>>96461211
>>96463137
Kek

>>96463137
maybe lighter looks better

>>96462012
Depends on how you treat it.
I had a game where we miss played a rule and realised halfway through, so we decided keep playing as we had been as it's fair and next game make sure we play it properly.
Basically I treat it as if we have treated something this way, we play it consistently IF it has already happened.
If you're not sure always check the rules, but if you can't figure it out or it's just too hard, make it work and decide

>>96463082
The way production cycles work mean they had to have been working on the glutos era refresh for slaanesh in aos during the time all this shit was happening, it doesn't make any sense. Especially because slaanesh being imprisoned was never a reason for them not being in aos, it was the opposite, a lingering threat of escape over the whole thing that fuelled the idoneth/lumineth/dok shit via being an important part of their backstory and reason for being around

>>96463303
>The way production cycles work mean they had to have been working on the glutos era refresh for slaanesh in aos during the time all this shit was happening
No, they have shorter timeframes, in particular, the timeframe where they started working on slaanesh stuff after the change in ceo and the community surveys makes much more sense

especially when you remember 3 of the most common things thrown at those surveys were
>plastic sisters
>redo the squats
>save slaanesh
the sisters were done first and explicitly as a result of that first survey

>>96455457
Whats exactly is "Morky" about fucking cannons.
Literally le reddit "khorne worshipers are all melee retards" level

>>96455457
ignore everything written about Ironjawz and it seems reasonable they'd used ranged weapons

>>96463375
engineering

Giga based.

>>96463748
this is awesome

>>96463748
so Hashut wanted aqshy and chamon, but got denied got given ghur instead as we know. Then he and his brothers has a spergout over him using soul power or whatever the fuck and it turned into civil war. Hashut travelled into the realm of chaos and ascended to true godhood.
Seems like in the end he got btfo by Valaya, his shit locked away until the present day, where I assume the vermindoom cracked them open again.
Lots of attention given to Valaya too, wasn't she connected to the whole dispossesed rebrand?
Oh also that thing about grimnir and grungni being chained, it was grungni that did it. Hashut gave them some gifts that turned them mad.
breddy cool

>>96463787
>Lots of attention given to Valaya too, wasn't she connected to the whole dispossesed rebrand?

Nothing definitive, but there's been a lot of "Where's Valaya?" hyping/speculation over the years by GW, though definitely peaking with this article. Considering she was tied to Hashtut's imprisonment, seems logical that him coming back would also bring her back, and with rumors of a Fyreslayer rebranding...I mean, it makes sense.

>>96463748
>father of 3+ +d3 oc
get hyped boyssssssssssssssssss

>>96463891
Hashut's maddening gifts to Grimni and Grungnir reduced their control score by 1... but only after he rolled a 5+

JUSTICE FOR MY NIGGA HASHUT!

>>96463912
AHHHHHHHH IM GOING INSANE!!!

>>96463912
lel

>>96463748
this is clearly biased, but what is false and what's true?
clearly he couldn't be the oldest of them, and clearly he made use of demonsmithing before whatever perceived insult.

>>96463958
theres no reason to doubt that hashut is the oldest

>clearly he couldn't be the oldest of them, and clearly he made use of demonsmithing before whatever perceived insult.
>Gazing upon their elder’s works with jealous eyes and the wonders he wrought in such rugged lands, Grungni, Grimnir and Valaya came to Ur-Zorn spreading accusations of the use of proscribed artifice driven by the spirits of beasts. Yet Hashut had done no such thing. He had simply done what he had been bidden: he had tamed Ghur
It seems like he was using beast souls as fuel for machines
or whatever he defines as a beast - maybe orruks, giants, humans, etc. fall under this category?
But after he got pissed off he decided to use daemon souls instead - presumably they are more powerful

>>96463976
>theres no reason to doubt that hashut is the oldest
yes there is

the guy talking here is trying to throw as much validity and authority as possible towards hashut, but him being older than the others is so utterly new, and makes so little sense with how dwarfs generally respect their elders, that it simply must be a lie.
The story taken at face value only works if the other ancestor gods, grugni in particular, were uncharacteristically undwarf-like towards a dwarf who did nothing wrong (yet).

>>96464014
>>96464014
>>96464014

>New Warhammer Quest, the successor of Heroquest
>Set in Ghyran
>Set in a foggy swamp

It's all coming together

>>96460372
>Pesitgors
>Those weird nurgle plant zombie dudes from the cartoon
>New Blight King like models for big dudes (Fimir would be cool but not happening)
>Probs some new Plaguebearers
>Also probs some Nurglings

There's a load of options for characters, don't have any solid ideas yet.