Thread 96465400

what causes this mentality? is it retardation?

>he's an indoctrinated kidnapped child soldier
like most space marines??

>>96465400 (OP)
Being able to only see the through the lens of your own contemporary sensibilities. This person can't conceive of summarily executing surrendering enemies or being a child soldier being normal things you just do within the 40k context.

>>96465564
I shouldn't have forgotten to add, fuck off back to twatter.

>>96465573
i got this from tumblr though

>>96465610
>though

>>96465400 (OP)
I don't even play 40k and that sounds like your typical space marine to me.

>>96465400 (OP)
this dude sounds too clean and pure to be a space marine

>>96465400 (OP)
Killing prisoners seems par for the course for like half of all space marine chapters and for the other half it's probably just that killing surrendering prisoners makes people less likely to surrender and thus makes the whole campaign harder overall.

>>96465400 (OP)
What a roundabout way of saying that the dude in OP's pic doesn't like black people in 40k

Space marine fan shocked and appalled when discovering space marines

>>96465400 (OP)
What mentality? Reposting twitter faggotry?

>>96465400 (OP)
>what causes this mentality?
trying too hard to look good on the internet and misunderstanding basic principles of an intellectual property when done right.

>>96465400 (OP)
This is what happens when people start taking fiction too seriously, and see it reflecting real life and real life politics.

>>96465624
Congrats, this is the most shizo pet peeve I've seen in a long time. Pretty silly though.

>>96465400 (OP)
An indoctrinated kidnapped child soldier? Like any Space Marine? Here? In 40K? In the dark grim future where everyone is an asshole and everything is cruel and shitty? I cant believe it.

>>96465400 (OP)
Has anyone accused them of being racist yet? It's funny when people virtue signal and someone else says "If he was white you wouldn't have a problem with it" and people write 10 page essays explaining that they have a black friend.

>>96465624
Though the verbal tics spreading through memes are incredibly ugly and annoying, and though I am chuddy enough to feel intense revulsion for what I feel is real degradation of language in both beauty and utility, I think this is a stupid sentiment. You could not even come up with any traits to mock or anything to complain about. It's just a list of generally poorly perceived things you ascribe to people you dislike for something completely unrelated. You could make a point about how language learning and the forming of dialect now is done through the inherently corrupt and corrupting forms of mass media platforms online, but instead you just go out "thing yuck > you bad". Hell, you embody the issues that lead to these verbal memes much more thoroughly than the strawman you're complaining about. You are thinking in memes yourself, trying to fit everything you feel into some image macro format.

I hate seeing this. I hate it so bad. Something I agree with, reduced to an idiotic mind virus. Makes me want to abandon the idea just to sever all connection. I wonder how much of the talk that is made popular and prominent is false flagging for just that purlose.

>>96469760
Traditional games though?

>>96469784
I guess, yeah. It's probably the same issues of social/online memes infecting thinking that lead to op's pic. But this whole thread was honestly off-topic from the start and will likely be pruned.

>>96465400 (OP)
>indoctrinated kidnapped child soldier
thats 99.999% of all astartes who have ever lived
does this faggot not realize that basic chapter trials include throwing dozens of 8-12 year olds to their deaths against inhospitable elements and massive wild animals? Aspirants go through the fucking wringer to make sure that the geneseed isn't going to waste on them

man onions scum are really raping 40k huh.
Looking at the entire thread.
>space marines are le bad and le kill people
at least in the classic lore it was conveyed as rumours of such and such chapter killing civilians and this was always portrayed as something dark and terrible and not what the Imperium wanted or a normal chapter did and would get the Inquisition investigating them. Which could end up getting the chapter excommunicated and destroyed.
>>96465624
you sharty fags need to be all snuffed out
>>96469567
its literally a sharty schizo

>>96470289
yeah, I'm sure the 1000-strong fanatical genocidal superarmy vanguard with next to no logistics of their own and literally 0 civilian accomodations makes sure to leave plenty of room for surrendering and would NEVER even consider bending the rules of the geneva conventions and risk mistreating a prisoner when p̶u̶r̶g̶i̶n̶g̶ liberating seceding planets of many billions or it'd bring eternal shame upon their family line. anything else is obviously just 8th ed zoomers compulsively voicing their political extremism

>>96470349
thats not 40k at all. Typical marine chapter is not doing that
You are taking examples of that and stretching it to all marine chapters
Thats more traitor legion behaviour

>>96470289
It's not even talking about civilians though. It says surrendering prisoners. Who do you think that entails? Xenos? Chaos cultists? What surrender do you think space marines are there to accept?

>>96470436
not all chapters are going to be doing that they arent monolithic

The constant push by onions boy redditors to deliberately misrepresent the setting is beyond irritating

>>96470403
it's a mundane and universal fact of war and 40k exaggerates the brutality of all their factions -- marines especially -- to the point of comedy. actually you're underage aren't you?

I have grimdark fatigue.
It was cool when it was counterculture nerdshit thing but its everywhere now.

>>96470730
I still very much enjoy grimdark because I'm not a woman or a faggot who lets my personal view of things be defined by whether something is popular or not.

>>96470730
You're right. I want Ultramarines Captain Robert Mueller, defender of Decency, Liberalism, and being a Decent Fucking Human Being.

>>96465400 (OP)
Who were the prisoners, again?

>>96470730
This desu.
I prefer my Warhammer nobledark.

>>96470730
dont worry it wont last
grimdark is too ironic for it to ever become truly mainstream like star wars did

>>96465400 (OP)
>indoctrinated, kidnapped child soldier with the personality of a servitor
yes, that sounds like a marine

>>96465400 (OP)
There are bits of 40k lore I like and bits I don't. I don't see the point in getting worked up over people's takes OR lore changes given that like the rules and the models, the setting changes a lot.

Broadly speaking there has always been a disconnect with the setting and the way it is presented. While I play other stuff and like the old bright stuff of the 1990s it was a strange contrast with the lore.

Paradoxically the emphasis on fun made a lot of really disparate elements work.

>>96465400 (OP)
>kidnapped
They generally volunteer through various violent means.

>>96471369
There's nothing bad at speaking out against something you dislike. If you say it loud enough, there's a chance for it to change in the original.
It can be both good or bad, depending on what it was.

The zoyman's outrage is somewhat understandable, given it's ultrafaggot we're talking about. Everything edgy seems like flashing red lights when they do it.

>>96471112
Warhammer is cool but Marines fucking suck. Literal Gary Stu snowflake faction for lowest common denominator tards.

And its not bc they are da strongest, its because they get plot armor whenever they appear and all of the chapters they've added along the years are Sonichu-tier deviantart OC's.
>B-b-but.
Space Wolves.

>>96465523
Most space marines volunteer, the kidnapping is not necessary in most cases.

>>96465523
To be fair, Ultramarines recruit quite humanely compared to a lot of chapters, while Ferren Areios was a Mars born Primaris. However the point is still dumb since Calgar executed surrendering traitors too in Dark Imperium, extending grace only to the children they strung along on their plot hoping they could be saved and that they didn’t have to kill them too.

>>96465523
Not the Ultramarines. Ventris LITERALLY got recruited cuz he passed a trial.
In fact, Trials are the most common form of recruitment in almost every chapter

>>96472119
>t.IGfag

>>96472119
>faction for lowest common denominator
True, but due to this, they are also the ones that sell the most, so they will always receive the most support

>>96465624
It is a weak word.
"It's kind of a weak word, though," just to give an example of why.
It's a word people toss into a sentence for no other reason than to decrease the confidence of their statement to make it less confrontational. This does imply a certain amount of mealy-mouthed weakness.

>>96465400 (OP)
This seems obviously to be a shitpost where the joke is its in-universe twitter and marius is being hypocritical. Also the marine is black and you’d expect someone to complain about a black space marine on irl twitter

>>96465400 (OP)
>killing prisoners
Imperium doesn’t accept prisoners of war.
>cared nothing for their deaths
Imperium doesn’t care either.
>indoctrinated
same with every Imperium citizen
>child soldier
everyone in the Imperium
>personality of a servitor
so the perfect soldier. the only valid argument that can be made here is that he’s not captain material

>>96472902
Some posts can tell you a lot about how a person smells.>>96472902

>>96465400 (OP)
Why do we care about this guys opinion?

>>96473154
Not my fault this game’s lore is shallow grimdark slop.

>>96472902
To play devil's advocate for a moment, in fairness "personality of a servitor" doesn't really fit the established mould for Ultramarines captains.

>>96473837
which is why I said he’s probably not captain material. As for ultramarines squaddies, that’s pretty much what they’re supposed to be. Doctrinal and unquestioning. Their primarch wrote the space disarmament code/art of war book, after all. And their chapter made it a holy text.

>>96470730
"Grimdark" isn't a real genre. It's a marketing buzzword used to describe tropes that have been around since the 19th century and falsely attribute their creation to warhammer.

>>96471035

It's generally the right-wing nuts who don't like grimdark though; they're mad when the Imperium isn't portrayed as unironically correct to be oppressive and genocidal, and also when the Imperium.is portrayed as corrupt and incompetent.

>>96470730
>>96471282
I have bitch boy fatigue. Because of cunts like you who can't enjoy a franchise for its signature themes and instead demand it to change to suit your faggot tastes. You faggot bitch boys.

>>96473986
You're a bitch boy that plays tau, aren't you? Ha-ha. Hahaha, loser.

>>96474013
>complains about grimdark
>accuses other posters who enjoy grimdark of playing Tau, the designated noblebright faction
you are a fucking retard

>>96472902
>so the perfect soldier.
Not really, unless you're Iron Hands and even they realize emotions are powerful when wielded rightly. Like, Malkaan Feirros managed, and I don't say this lightly, to ragebait Kristos, one of the biggest proponents of that whole "servitor personalily"

>>96474060
Tau are the noblederp faction, standing out because everyone else are made retarded.
With the change, tau would lose their meaning.

>>96465400 (OP)
Do these heresy retards even know the Primarchs they worship, exterminated entire human civilizations?

>>96474064
Emotions are an inevitable flaw that has to be utilized. Sun Tzu outlines this. Abuse the enemy’s fear by leaving them a convenient exit, use your men’s stubbornness and cornered animal instincts by going into dire territory when choosing to engage in equal combat. Sun talks about utilizing a soldier’s anger in getting them to fight, but thats only necessary because soldiers are afraid of death by default.

>>96474106
The Tau aren't even noble.
They merely look like they are noblebright because people use the Imperium as their comparison, when all the Tau do is go "No, you're wrong on fighting me, even if you have valid reasons, because you older races are ignorant primitive savages."

>>96473967
The identity left are just as retarded about it because they demand everything be "inclusive" ie you're not allowed to do any of the shit that made Warhammer what it is like punny names that make light of stereotypes or just mashing a bunch of cultures together because you think the result will be cool. Some bluehair poofter tried to give me a fucking seminar because he overheard me at a local club describing my Knights of Iamshahr fluff for an AT force(basically pre-Islamic Zoroastrian Persia-flavoured Cult Mechanicum with a bit of Ottoman Sultanate and a little hint of general Arab Islamism - the weird fun stuff like Dervishes) and apparently
>As a cishet white male from a first world nation it's insensitive and crass to just appropriate other cultures like that. You know I actually attended a fascinating lecture about avoiding Orientalism in fiction writing you should totally read my notes...
but sadly it's a decent club otherwise so I couldn't just call him a faggot and leave.

These sort of people often get *extremely* pissy with you if you depict grimdark things without what hey deem sufficient effort to emphasise the whole
>UM ACKshulee sweetums 40K is a satire of Fascism mmkay byeeee
shtick they peddle.

>>96474587

That's more the moderate left who wants everything to be identity politics approved (but who never wants to make it about class). The woke epidemic was heightened to a fever pitch in the US by the HRC presidential primary and general election strategies.

The people pushing identity politics like that are generally not actually very left-wing, if at all.

>>96465400 (OP)
lmao You're telling me you've had this tweet saved since August 23rd and you were so buthurt by it that you came to /tg/ to complain? Holy shit anon

>>96474370
But they literally are ignorant primitive savages.

>>96465400 (OP)
>Is that a b..b..b..buh..buh...BLACK! Person! In MY game?

Holy shit you fucking fragile snowflakes get over it. Its not a big deal.

The executing prisoners thing is circumvented by everyone in the setting being too overzealous/insane/corrupted/mindless to surrender 99% of the time. A big part of Tau lore is trying to wrap their heads around humans, Imp or Chaos, suicide charging them or surrendering just to take more blueberries with them.

>>96474954
Shut the fuck up, you assholes have kept whining about this shit for twelve years straight. Get a life.

>>96475045

Nah.

>>96474587
>>UM ACKshulee sweetums 40K is a satire of Fascism mmkay byeeee
They get mad if you depict fascists as normal people. Something in their brain can’t fathom that the people they hate so much is in a lot of ways the same as them. Somehow that realistic depiction is “sympathizing.”

>>96475034
>using snowflake
>a right wing slur
Please don’t give the saying that the left can’t meme validation. Thank you.
>t. Had a pol phase I know what I’m talking about

>>96465624
Do you just pull words out of a hat to be angry about?

>>96475207
I should start doing that

>>96475034
>see thing complaining about the actual fluff that demonstrates the person involved is an idiot. but isn't specifically racial
>BUT RACYSMSMS
Bro you are actually the problem.

>>96465624
I now say tho and all the irritating zoomer shit because nobody has ever fucking read my effortposts for fucking years and every fucking time I got a (you) it was "I'm not going to read all that shit"or "meds" You fucking ignored me when I was articulate and now I WILL bombard you with insufferable broccolihead speech frfr

>>96465624
Based and true or however the mac is big

>>96475381
I feel that stupidly hard

>>96475034
Salamanders aren't even black, they're mutated into having charred skin. The one from the latest glorified advert was asian.

>>96475107
Does it even need more validation at this point?

>>96475632
Wouldn’t hurt to lessen the amount of evidence to support the meme phrase.

>>96475621
Salamanders being an entire legion/chapter of black face is one of my favourtite "incidentally hilarious" fluff tidbits, similar to the new primarch retcon of the reason why everything when wrong wasbecase emperors side piece was on the rag, making the downfall of humanity due to a fucking women,

>>96474963
Yes, the Tau are objectively correct and when they finish tiling the galaxy with their Empire, the Greater Good will truly be instantiated, and all will live in peace and harmony. Imperiumfags don't want to hear this, though.

>>96476893
Lore citation please? I want this to be true.

>>96471282
>I prefer my Warhammer nobledark.

You have objectively shit tastes.

>>96471374
>They generally volunteer
They're selected from the populace by distinguishing themselves by violence but for every tribal/medieval world where they're working as a squire with the direct goal of ascending to a marine there's another 3 hive worlds where its simply a young hive ganger who's scouted in time and given the choice of trials (which can and will kill them) or given over to the arbites for servitorization.

>>96465400 (OP)
These people are just old star wars fans that hopped to 40k after star wars started being gay. They will hop over to the next thing too when 40k starts being gay which we are well on the way to

>>96476952
No, you do, eat your grimderp, plebeian scum.

>>96465624
>rightoid anglos can't stop thinking about black cock

What causes this phenomena?

>>96483022
y so racist?

>secondaries calling others secondaries
Many such cases.

>>96475621
Brother, these geniuses think Drow are "African" because they have black skin and are evil. They think Orcs are "African" because they're mouthbreathing violent retards. They think tanned characters are "African" and pull up colour palettes to prove their wisdom. these are not people you can argue in good faith with.

>>96485626
It's extra funny with the Salamanders because they're literally an army of predominantly white guys doing scifi blackface. It's just about the least progressive thing possible and it's amazing that they've somehow managed to skate under the radar for so long.

>>96470661
This guy gets it. Astartes are the indifferent callous gene-fueled slaughterers of humanity’s enemies. Wanton atrocity and utter destruction is their profession. If they have martial honor, or otherwise, just consider it a bonus.

>>96465624
I love how memes like this all accuse people of watching blacked.com. Like, you know even KNOWING what that is is just a massive self-report, right? Using all this interracial cuck porn terminology just outs you as a consumer of it.

>>96475381
I got called an AI for making a sincere and articulate attempt to contribute to a thread the other day. Fuck this shithole it deserves nothing but being wrapped in our dirty bogroll.

>>96465400 (OP)
>what causes this mentality? is it retardation?
BUT HE'S BLAAACKK! BLACK CHARACTER IN FICTION! BBC FRONT IN CENTER! HE MUST BE GIVEN AUTOMATIC WORSHIP AND PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT, AND WE MUST ALL PROSTATE OURSELVES FOR HIS ANCESTRAL SUFFERING! THEY DIED FOR OUR SINS!

BLACKS ARE GODS! BNWO!

>>96475621
Not gonna lie I think whoever convinced the team to make that Salamander guy East Asian needs a raise+promotion.
Given the nature of the autistic crowd were talking about, if he was white there would have been outrage over him being blackface and if he was black with Salamanders mutations, there would have been outrage somehow.
Maybe he could have been Indian-Asian and nothing would have happened. Not sure why it is this way.
Remember were dealing with a crowd that looks at violent savage orcs and their first thought is black people, but somehow they're not racist.

>>96473967
Nah that’s just trannies trying to impose their morality on a fantasy setting. You can be “unironically correct oppressive and genocidal” and incompetent at the same time. That’s a very human experience. Lofty ideals and the difficulty of achieving them.

>>96485626
>They think Orcs are "African" because they're mouthbreathing violent retards.
Its nice when we find common ground

>>96485626
>>96486779
if you think someone is black because they're violent and wild, that says more about you than about the fantasy race
>I've seen orcs being used for Ruzzians and it tracks
force by numbers, not giving a shit about anyone else (including each other), RP&P and so on

>>96486891
Oh yeah, these people will shout about how racism is the worst thing ever and how it is the origin of all evil, and then The Man flips a switch and they are jerking themselves off to drone footage and describing every Russian as a subhuman Orc. It is because they are in a cult and they either parrot the opinions of the higher ups or risk expulsion. And with so many of them 'cutting off' their problematic friends and allies, with expulsion they could risk being completely alone and with no support

>>96470661
40k will never be Grimdark again with the Primarchs returning and the existence of Primaris

>>96486891
>>96487386
Just like retarded SJW and blacks see orcs as based on themselves, so did russians before:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer

The fact is that "orcs" hit a little too close to home for russians: The result of originally normal beings under such tyranny and brutality they become degenerate thugs and criminals, and the foot soldiers of evil overlords. They hate themselves and each other, but they will never rebel or attempt to become better. They just try to destroy anything that reminds them of what they really are.

"The Man" didn't flip a switch, their mask just finally fell off for anybody paying attention. The slur is very fitting.

Anyone remember this faggy shit?: https://youtu.be/65KhpWD4qE8?si=eLo8zh-VJQQtWnxJ

>>96487648
Just a bunch of stuck up rich kids huffing their farts about how they're more intelligent than the masses because they made a big pseudo intellectual mountain out of what is and should have stayed an anthill.

They also remind me of when I was a teenager thinking I was smarter than the masses at school, but these types never seemed to have grown out of that phase.

>BLACK Library
was it predictive programming all along?

>>96487419
the demographics looks pretty grim and dark to me though

>>96487419
Yeah, it will be grimderp instead

>>96474963
The Tau? Yes indeed. They are ignorant savages considering they are ignorant about water calling rituals being related to nurgle.

>>96476856
>making the downfall of humanity due to a fucking women,
I mean it's not like that idea came from nowhere.

>>96485835
or it could be you cucks(and niggers) have been spamming that shit all over this site and the wider net for 10 years its become ubiquitous

>>96486891
It's extra stupid when people see Warhammer orcs/orks specifically as analogues for black people because they're extremely white.

>>96492634
the new fad on instagram is to paint orks white. I actually think it looks really cool but theres an obvious bit of intent there

>>96492634
digganob may have been satire of wigger culture though

>>96492634
that's just americans being retarded and filtering all throught their narrow race politics.

No brit or euro ever had any problem understanding what orks are about. Tolkien orcs were an early 20th century version of the same, and GW just updated them for the 80s and space

>>96465624
I don't get why you sharty niggers hyper focus on this one assault against the english language when it's a much more multifaceted attack

>>96492770
Why are you so racist though?

>>96492773
Why not?

>>96465400 (OP)
>what causes this mentality? is it retardation?

Yeah, it probably is some form of retardation that causes you to browse a board who's chief interest is role-playing, but not be able to comprehend the concept of a twitterfag role-playing as a fictional character.

>>96492684
Give them footie jerseys, paint nades black and white. Come on Orkenland, let's score some WAAGHs. Sounds fun.

>>96493710
I know the guy (sadly), it's not a roleplay. The dude is being unironic and dead serious when he says that shit in his tweet.