Thread 96465572

Thoughts on the upcoming Starcraft wargame?

Coming out at least a decade too late.

>>96465572 (OP)
The minis they showed look amazing

>>96465578
This too, but it still might find its niche.

I think it looks promising. We didn’t get to see much, but I like what I’ve seen of it so far.

En Taro Adun

>>96465572 (OP)
Starcraft 2 is responsible for the proliferation of leftist pedophile advocates so I don't particularly care to support the franchise.

>>96465755
I believe you're thinking about Overwatch.

>>96465790
Nope, it was definitely Starcraft 2.
>Destiny (pedophile gooner) becomes a popular streamer thanks to Starcraft 2
>pivots to politics
>basically pioneers and founds Breadtubing as a genre
>uses his clout to specifically uplift and signal boost Vaush (pedophile gooner) and Hasan Piker (literally went to Diddy parties)
Basically, without Starcraft 2 we wouldn't have to deal with people trying to shill concepts like "ethical child porn" or "virtuous minor-attracted persons"

>>96465860
Given how much of it traces to the much larger base of Tumblr Genderspecials, I have doubts. And this isn't really "responsible" given the distance between Blizzard and streaming; SC2's public outreach was aimed SQUARELY at E-Sports instead.

>>96465860
This, luckily we have only wholesome right wing pedos like trump in charge to blunt these people

>>96465898
Rent-free.

>>96465894
>SC2's public outreach was aimed SQUARELY at E-Sports instead.
Which is where Destiny got started and used to launch his streaming career. He was on a SC2 e-sports team. Blizzard's hands aren't clean in this.

>>96465898
Of everyone associated with Epstein, Trump is literally the only one who contributed to the prosecution.

>>96465572 (OP)
The only way I'm buying any of these minis is if each kit comes with an authentic sample of pilfered breastmilk from the Blizzard Breastmilk Fridge, complete with a picture of the woman it was stolen from.

>>96465927
Prosecution for what, the Democrat hoax?

>>96465926
Is there any property of SC2 you can pin down as favorable to pedophiles or anything Blizzard did to support Destiny in particular, or are you just post-facto blaming Blizzard for one of the MANY people in the E-Sports scene they had rather limited influence on at the time using it as a jump-start to public awareness turning out to be a freak?

>>96465943
Trafficking to "nobody". Sure, not getting the clients sucks, but it's still a damn sight better than literally everyone else in government associated with the man.

>>96465961
>platforming pedophiles isn't favorable to them
lol

>>96465990
Isn’t that the fault of twitch?

>>96466003
They're also to blame, yes.

>>96466009
We should blame the webcam company he bought his equipment from too

>>96466011
>sweeping for a company that literally sexually harassed a young intern into suicide
Whoa buddy

>>96465860
“Minor attracted persons” was never real anon, it was always a shitpost

>>96466021
>suddenly simping for the webcam company that likely uses East Asian slave labor
Anon…

Would much rather get the epic scale Halo game back

>>96465990
Can you pin down a property OF STARCRAFT II that is a SPECIFIC draw for pedophiles making Destiny actively more likely to become popular off of it? Can you point to anything Blizzard did that bolstered Destiny's popularity in particular? Can you establish a causal factor where Blizzard had any intentionality to Destiny's spewing of bullshit, or are you just blaming them because SC2 is where he HAPPENED to start?

>>96466009
At this point, with his opinions to such effect very overtly stated, but early on when he was an SC2 streamer? What warning signs were there back then giving reasonable cause to investigate before he became influential?

>>96466074
I wish the space ship game was not dead on arrival.
Did even went into production? I recall seeing some images of a super carrier and then nothing more.

>>96466085
/pol/tards aren’t particularly known for their intelligence

>>96466139
Lasted 6 months and got 3 waves of product out sadly

Nuke this thread and all the schizos in it

>>96466231
>t. perfidious webcam company

>>96465860
My beef with Starcraft 2 is the writing is shit, the art style is atrocious, and they absolutely ruined the thematic design of all three races.

Oh and the game sucks.

>>96465572 (OP)
Ignoring that this thread is for some reason about pedophilia apologia and who does it, I think this game looks shit. No, I haven’t read the rules and maybe there’s something clever in there, but the style is amateur-modelled print slop. Who wants to be limited to three factions in a sci-fi setting? Who wants to engage with this paper thin Blizzard lore? Someone shared a bottle of soju with an exec and convinced him to give him the rights so he could make a quick buck off his off-shore 3D modelling office.

>>96466373
A truly good wargame wouldn’t require more than one faction, they are an excess, a luxury meant for the low brow

>>96466373
>Who wants to be limited to three factions in a sci-fi setting? Who wants to engage with this paper thin Blizzard lore?
Trench Crusade faggots.

>>96466392
There are more than 3 factions in that

>>96466373
Admission of not having read the rules and cries of "everything I don’t like is LE SLOP" aside, didn’t they say that they plan to make several factions for the three races? Could be interesting, I dunno

>>96466527
I played a lot of StarCraft and I have no misgivings about it, but the style looks like slop. Bad proportions, too nu-Blizzard. StarCraft 2’s aesthetic did itself scuff the clarity of the artistic vision of the first by making everything so smooth. The models they’ve shown renders for look like random crap you’d find online from an independent creator. That’s not ‘everything I don’t like is slop’. Plenty of things I don’t like don’t look like slop. I hate primaris but they looks good.

Have they even revealed any models? This shit was announced like a year ago, thought it was vaporware.

>>96466708
They did show some in a stream not too long ago, they look pretty nice: https://www.youtube.com/live/KaBLk74eHQ0?feature=shared

>>96466918
>Goliath spotted
So it won't just be limited to SC2 (non-campaign) units, thank God

>>96467234
I still watch from time to time SC2 and SC games and one of the most common things that happen is that people started playing SC, try SC2 and rapidly go back to SC. Hell people that never played SC when they where kid so no nostalgia goggles and started playing the game with SC2 try SC and eventually leave SC2 behind.
SC2 is an objectively worst game than SC, even kids that grew with nothing but modern game eventually stick with good old SC finding that things like the retarded pathfinding of the Goliath or the Dragoon to be a skill to master than a flaw of the game. Which is odd coming from kids that usually get frustrated easily.

>>96465572 (OP)
>Opponent puts Pylon in my deployment zone Turn One.
>Lose.

>>96467596
>opponent somehow deploys 20 zerglings before I even finish building my list

>>96466409
Isn't it just dirkas, christfags, and rainbow brigade?

SC1BW -> 2 is the biggest case of soul to onions I've ever seen in gaming short of Crysis 1 to 2.

>>96467596
>fat nerds physically assaulting each other at game stores over proxy pylons
God, I can’t wait

>>96467234
>terrain inspired by 40k L-shaped tournament terrain
Disgusting

>>96467596
>Get to turn 3 against a Terran player
>He announces "Nuclear Launch Detected" and pulls out a laser pointer

>>96465572 (OP)
I hate the SC2 protoss aesthetic

>>96465572 (OP)
I am so /awg/ and /hwg/ that any "property game" seems sus to me because I watch them come and go, and inevitably sell out before I get to try them.

These days I'm like a sniper, waiting, willing off the roadside to catch whatever it I see the kids are talking about so I can raid it for cool minis.

Yet afaik Starcraft was joyously brief in its lore. Nothing to get in the way of a wargame... I'm looking at you GW.

>>96466392
>Who wants to engage with this paper thin Blizzard lore?

You want fluff: a cassus belli, a vibe, a reason to campaign and make /yourdudes/

Lore is gay and cribbed 99% from history which inevitably reads more exciting anyway.

What sci fi or fantasy property ever improved by being fucking expanded upon at the corporate end? At some point you're just going to have to be creative.

People criticise historical gamers but I see more self expression and craft than people just rote following seasons of fucking lore, with its attendant spinoffs, everyquestion answered, might as well just stay in bed.

>>96465572 (OP)
I'm excited as all hell for it.

>>96465578
The Starcraft community is alive and well. World championship was less than a month ago. The player base is certainly smaller, but we're just as dedicated as ever and eh. More excited to play it with friends than to see it be massively popular.

>>96471480
And which of the remaining 15 starcraft players wants to build and paint models instead of just playing the vidya they've been playing for the past 10 years or whatever?

>>96471396
>I am so /awg/ and /hwg/ that any "property game" seems sus to me
>the current /awg/ OP is Halo franchiseslop
Lawl

>>96471538
On average, it's up 100k players since 2020. Starcraft is plenty popular.

Dunno why you think "it's not popular!" is an insult towards something.

>>96466687
>I hate primaris but they looks good.
Oh I am laffing.

>>96466074
God I miss Spartan, they made some solid games.

>>96469169
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>96471538
Every time I see a Timmy and his mom wander into a GW store the staff explains it as, "like Starcraft," so there's definitely a chance it could take off.

>>96466291
YOU FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART
ALWAYS ONLINE DRM
NEVER FORGIVE
NEVER FORGET

>>96468027
It's two teams (heaven/hell) but each has at least three factions within them. Presumably SC wargame could work the same way with factions within the races, like how SC2 does co-op commanders.

>>96471663
>Dunno why you think "it's not popular!" is an insult towards something.
He's a /v/edditor.

>>96471249
Now, let's be honest here. Pre-SC2 protoss aesthetic is just basically their buildings and nothing else

>>96471480
> The Starcraft community is alive and well
Not true in the least, nerd slayer already did a “death of a game” on it, star craft is deader then a door nail

Im pretty excited, generally I like starcraft's design more than their 40k equivalent. Zergo and Protoss specifically, some marines more than space marines.
>>96466918
Models look pretty good which is all I care about, I doubt it will have a massive audience but as long as they are fun to paint im happy. I Do feel like they could run out of units pretty fast however so will be interesting to see how long till they run out of runway.

>>96474971
It's honestly a good question. I've seen terrain like that in SW: Legion, Last conquest of kings, and a variety of other things at this point. It's just good divider terrain.

>>96481597
>"some Youtube faggot said it’s a dead game, therefore it is"
Learn to formulate your own opinions, zoomer.

FUCKING HYPED!

>>96482178
NTA but I really can't believe you fell for such obvious bait. Fucking hell, no wonder this board is dead.

on one hand I really like Starcraft.
on the other I don't feel like it has a chance to survive. Too many other games to compete with.

>>96475009
And how often do you see that?

>>96468044
Outside of UED idea BW is overrated as fuck

>>96482178
>refuses to accept facts when stated by a professional
>calls a man in his early fifties a zoomer
Bet you argue that fire is hot, or when a doctor says someone died
Maybe you should check the facts bud

>>96482254
Same homie

I am cautious. Miniature look fine, but we know almost nothing. There should be development journal or some info filtering out.

But other than the usual toxicity, I am interested.

>>96486659
Nah. BW's biggest issue that it wasn't as good as the next Blizzard's RTS story-wise.
But SC2 practically paved way for much worst writting

Bought my starcraft tabletop war game 15 years ago. Plays fine. No reason to buy a new one.

>>96466918
>>96467234
They better to release Zagara, so I can add her as cheerleader to the base of Swarmlord

>>96467234
Goliath Online
Acknowledged H.Q.

>>96484768
Every weekend?

>>96492081
There's a model that looks like Zagara on the table here >>96467234 and she's pretty big. Not sure she'd fit desu

>>96492650
Where? I see only two hydralisks and bunch of zerglings

DOA, nobody will play it.

>>96465572 (OP)
Looks cool. Might get some Zerg.

>>96466074
If you've got access to a 3D printer the game is surprisingly well supported by community efforts, there's a Facebook community with links to all sorts of resources including loads of good STLs.

>>96493269
By the hydralisks is a large gray model.

>>96490180
I mean, I liked BW but it was meant to have a downer ending with Mengsk still in charge, the UED broken, Fenix and Duke dead. Artanis and Zeratul got a win at the end of the Protoss campaign, but with Kerrigan ascendant as the Bitch Queen, all they did was buy some time.
It was a good hook for a sequel.

But man that sequel was such a fucking mess.
Tychus did nothing wrong and didn't deserve what he got.
Kerrigan being the glowing golden goddess savior of everyone despite all the terrible shit she did was just the absolute zenith of bad writing. It was terrifying for a time that everyone expected Blizzard to repeat the Kerrigan bullshit with Sylvanas in WoW. It seemed they actually were but fan reaction forced them to walk it back. But then Shadowlands was easily the worst expansion WoW ever had. And when it's competing with Cataclysm, that's saying a lot.

That said, I am cautiously optimistic about SCTTG. I would very much like a game that can compete with GW's strangelhold. And I say that as someone who plays 40k, Horus Heresy and Old World.

Starcraft only has 3 factions so I'm unsure how well this will go. Its probably just a beta test for a much more expansive warcraft game which could easily carry 40 factions

is this just a 40k clone?

>>96491477
this looks much better

>>96494164
>40 factions
there's a point where it just becomes bloat

>>96465572 (OP)
I'll probably get it, especially if I can see a Thor or Odin.

>>96494164
Well there's a bunch of subfactions you can do especially for zerg (dinosaurs) and protoss (the evil red ones)
Terran is the only one that really doesn't change units but i guess you make Dominion it's own thing like co op with a few giga elite units and shitty expendable chaff to cover for them

>>96495492
Terrans has tons of potential subfactions
>Pirates/Scavvers
>Those fancy chrome fucks they sold a skinset for
>UED
>Confederacy Holdouts
>War Pigs

>>96495588
I'm as big of a starcraft nerd as you probably but i just don't see it
>Pirates
that faction is mostly based around airships, only has like 2 units on the ground with reavers and hellbats
>chrome guys
That could count as umojans which sure could work out but...
>UED
These are supposed to be the "elite" terrans, better higher tech gear, more trained units. since most airships are not gonna be a thing if they put the UED this is what they give them (plus mind controlled zergling fodder)
>Confederacy
This could work out as a "starcraft 1 terrans" but apparently goliaths are already in so that's not really needed
>War pigs
Mercenary faction sounds good but if you are going that route just give them to Nova as elite marines

There's a bunch of options i guess it depends how well it sells and retains attention

>>96496146
>I'm as big of a starcraft nerd as you probably but i just don't see it
I don't think it'd be good, mind, but I don't expect the base game to be good either. I'm just pointing out they have plenty of gay little aesthetic reskins and troop choices to spin subfactions around should this thing take off

>>96493269
You blind, bro?

>>96465572 (OP)
Can I build an army of ghosts?

So would Swarm even be a worthy snack for Nids?

>>96499368
The energy you’d get from them perpetually trying to out-assimilate one another could probably power Las Vegas for 70 years.

>>96499368
Actually yeah. Since Zerg tend to assimilate wheherever they settle and utilize all avaible biomass in the most optimized way. A perfect protein bar for Nids, small, but still tasty.

>>96493993
>But man that sequel was such a fucking mess.
A perfect mess. At the end of Brood War (including secret protoss mission) they've made an actually good set up for sequel. And then within in instance they blew it up in Wings of Liberty (when Zerathul visits Raynor) and doubled it down with Heart of the Swarm campaign (although Stukov had some potential).
>Tychus did nothing wrong
So as Garrosh.
And honestly, Raynor should've been actually killed after WoL campaign for backstabbing his friend.

>>96465572 (OP)
Are they gonna do resource generation through facility construction and such or just make it a straight up war game?

>>96506637
-> >>96467234
So far seems like straight up wargame
Unless there will be somekind of resource gathering system to call troops from reserves

>>96506646
Seems like it will probably fail pretty hard then.
There have been other war games that have come and gone that had good mechanics and they died out. If you are striping away stuff that the RTS fans are used to, introducing a game with limited factions and unit types, and have to pay a fee to use the IP driving up costs? Seems like it will die pretty fucking fast.

>>96465572 (OP)
>multipart plastics you can kitbash for a decent price

The only way anyone will care

>>96494164
Oh come on they always can begin asspulling shit from campaigns and use it for certain sub-factions. The real issue is Archon's capabilities to make new minis and supply them if game doesn't flop.

>>96506662
Well it's kind of retarded to emulate APM-focused RTS on the tabletop.

Also, humour time, remember when zerg-protoss hybrids were supposed to be real hot shit?

>>96506637
>>96506646
The base structures and resource generation will be in the form of cards, from what they said in this interview: https://youtu.be/LQEoebAKUAE?si=-2ZEU5KhX4oDL8jV

>>96496146
Terran
>UED
>Confederacy or dominion, or both
>kel/morian combine
>umojan protectorate
(and if you want even more factions you can use the different factions associated with the different colors from the game manual)

zerg;
>overmind
>kerrigan
>primal zerg
>various factions from the different cerebrates

protoss:
>aiur toss
>dark templar
>those red protoss from SC2
>various factions based on the team colors

Easy 9 from just 3 big players of every faction, and potentially variations based on the different doctrines the player color factions.

(pic related is the color based factions they made).

Also, SC2 had a bunch of commanders you could retool to be amries. They could have some system that any terran faction has access to core units, but may deploy some specialist units based on the faction.

>>96493993
>It seemed they actually were but fan reaction forced them to walk it back.
WoW isn't over yet and judging by amount of retarded girlbosses with pointed ears she have a good chances to come back.
It's still hillarious, how every element of SC2, while looking solid and promising, managed to end up badly because Blizzard decided to bend story to the saviour figure

>>96510477
>They could have some system that any terran faction has access to core units, but may deploy some specialist units based on the faction.
So, Infinity's Sectorials.

>>96510477
>>overmind
>>kerrigan
They are practically identical, except of Celebrates-Broodmothers.
They've already hinted that one of the zerg faction will be Stukov's infested terrans

>>96506707
Archon plastics are very kitbash-unfriendly tho.

>the Brood War SC:BG expansion is $500
What the fuck

>>96486659
I do not expect much from a RTS story. Even ignoring that everyone in BW had their IQ lower when in proximity of Kerrigan much like anyone when facing the Tau in 40k, it was a good enough story.
SC2 on the other hand as other anons have pointed out, characters that would be meh at best in any other story like Abathur look fantastic by comparison due to how shit the rest of the story is.
But given credit where credit is due, Wings of Liberty is impressive with how much liberty it gives the player to approach it

>>96465578
Might still be big in South Korea tho

>>96516107
Why would it? The reason vidya is popular there is because living space is minimal.

>>96515344
Retrogaming is always more expensive as a rule of thumb