Thread 96475905

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>>96456215
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>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoD
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>Anders Mage Page
http://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/
>White Wolf Wiki:
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page

>Thread Question:
ERP - yes or no?

What went right?

>>96475905 (OP)
>that pic
Bread is absolutely getting nuked by angry TJ mission man.

>>96475942
It's *art*.

Tried asking this in the solo thread, forgot to ask here. Anyways: thinking of playing hunter the vigil. I really dig the whole wandering monster hunter vibe, modern-day witcher kind of thing. But I’ve heard the game leans more into investigation and mystery, and that the combat system’s pretty deadly and not all that exciting. From what I gather, fights usually come down to: figure out the monster's weakness, prep like hell, and then either you stomp the monster or get stomped. Is that about right? I’m cool with that for big, dangerous stuff, but I also want to actually throw down with monsters sometimes. Scrappy, close-up fights that could go either way, not just surgical takedowns. Is that something the system supports, or would I need to hack it (or maybe look at a different game) to get that kind of action?

>>96475993

Vigil is fine for that. A character with decent combat stats won't get stomped unless he does something pretty stupid or is hunting more esoteric stuff without preparations. In other words, a shotgun will take care of most of your problems with enough shells, and the rest need custom shells.

As far as making combat more interesting, there is Hurt Locker for combat rules variations, if the baserules don't gell with you.

>TQ
Yes. In general, I do a fade to black, but sometimes I get enough trust with someone to go full description (in this case, one-on-one sessions).

>>96475905 (OP)
>ERP - yes or no?
Sadly, no bitches.

>>96476401
Be the change you want to see.

>>96475905 (OP)
>ERP - yes or no?
Usually fade to black. A general description if something occurs in the middle of the act - noticing an odd detail or bad guys booting in the door. Mostly I'll just end up doing a raunchy sketch if something in game inspired me.

Best game for this experience?

>>96476579
Changeling.

>>96476579
WtA, Shadow Lords (Slavs with heavy Russian contingent)

>>96476579
Werewolf

>>96475905 (OP)
>TQ

No. Romance and sex are important parts of the human experience but playing it out would just be weird. Implication is fine. You don't need the details of a couple's sex life.

>>96476758
>playing it out would just be weird.
Is normal.

>>96475993
Like the other guy said, Vigil's combat isn't terribly deep but if you build a head on fighter and don't act stupid/unprepared, you can get away with some scrapping. HL does have other options. In fact sometimes melee combat specifically can turn into whiff wars depending on how the characters are built

If you want some quick combat hacks for CofD that my group enjoyed
>no athletics to defense, makes melee combat more reliable as a PC option but also more dangerous. (I strongly recommend this one as it makes called shots in melee actually viable, and called shots/tilts are the based part of core CofD combat for me.)
>add exceptional success effects for things like attack rolls
>allow characters to use their movement rather than action to swap weapons; encourages more weapon variety

You mentioned the solo thread. Is this for a solo game? If so I'd also suggest:
>give the character extra exp before play. I'd suggest 25-50 depending on how elite you want them to be. Opens up a lot of fighting styles.
>look at the endowments Hunters in Conspiracies get, Endowments can be huge equalizers with supernaturals.
>consider having NPC allies.

>>96475905 (OP)
>>Thread Question:
>ERP - yes or no?
It depends. In person? Keep it to a minimum and keep it tasteful OR just keep it implied behind the scenes.
In Disc/PBP? Go nuts. My players have had full blown orgies.

Do you allow custom/fanmade clans/bloodlines, disciplines, fera, gifts, totems, kith, etc?

>>96476976
>My players have had full blown orgies.
Noice.

Would it be going against the spirit (lol) of the book if I ran a Geist the Sin-Eaters game like Yu Yu Hakusho or Jujutsu Kaisen?

>>96476985
Some, yes.
I feel like totems and kiths are something you are kinda expected to come up with your own stuff.

>>96477013
Would it? Maybe. Who cares though, RPGs are about having fun.

I ran GTSE and expected it to be very stand battle esque. Those did happen but it was actually the most dialogue heavy game I think I have ever ran. It got very character drama at points.

>>96477013
Not really. Both are basically just about groups of people fighting other people using similar but bad versions of their own powers to help other people. Which is what Geist is really. Although it might be more Deviant's deal overall as that one leans more into super heroey types.

>>96476985
Depends.
Clans? No, the 13 will be the 13
Bloodlines? Yes, I've made plenty of those myself, and if one of my players has a cool idea for one, we work together to adapt it.
Disciplines? No
Gifts and Totems? Absolutely, limiting yourself only to the ones in the books for those is silly. I've accidentally given out some overpowered or underpowered ones, but c'est la vie, I'd rather things go wrong occasionally than rely on the book to the letter.
I've also homebrewed a lot of stuff for demon, because only having fallen and earthbound is way too limiting for adapting different kinds of demons.
For one, I made custom type of demon that operates like the demons from It Follows and Smile. For two, I've made rules for demons possessing animals. For three, I've created other demon 'loadouts' of lore that fit more for particular mythological/legendary demons.

>>96477013
Yes (and that's a good thing)

>>96476985
Mages can have anything, it's just a matter of having the right Spheres or freebies allocated to Wonder Background, and being a rootless orphan without Mentor, Library or Grimoire benefits if they want to have a weird Paradigm.

Fera may be given custom Gifts and follow custom Totems, as long as they're balanced and players can persuade the spirit in question.

No custom bloodlines: Masquerade has way more than it needs already, and near any Discipline concept already has a fitting Path.

>>96477039
I always figured Deviant was more body horror super powers, along the lines of the Guyver, early Kamen Rider, and Prototype

>>96476985
>totems
Fear not, the best totem ever is already here.

>>96476985
>Clans and bloodlines
Clans no. Any idea for a cool new "clan" would always work better as either a bloodline or a kuei jin kinda thing
Bloodlines on the other hand? Go crazy. I encourage it.
>Disciplines/Blood Magic
I'm not against it but you gotta come up with good lore and some degree of balance.
I'm also okay with custom discipline powers or reworks.
>Fera
Mockery breeds? Sure, go nuts. Wereworms, weretardigrades, werehumans if you want too. You don't need to provide a lot of lore for these so I'm always open to them.
Otherwise, I'm going to ask my players to be extremely thorough with their creativity.
>Gifts and totems
Always encouraged.
>in-Tradition factions, crafts and other minor Mage groups
Also encouraged

Can awakening mages have totems?
Other than joining garou in a pack.

>>96477404
Yes and they can even create their own Court in which they are at the top.

>>96477441
Which book has the rules for totems?

>>96477132
Guyver doesn't really have much in terms of drawbacks for someone who's had a Guyver suit bonded to them. As long as their Control Metal is intact they're basically immortal and have far better weapons than Activated humans in Zoanoid/Hyper Zoanoid form.

Even for Activated humans their only real weakness is that they're subject to mind control from Zoalords.

The stuff with the Guyver Suits was also why the aliens simply abandoned their uplift project on Earth, because aside from making humans way more dangerous than intended, their "standard issue" spaceflight equipment also removed the mind control.

It's a very C-tier movie, but Universal Soldier is pretty straight-up a Deviant setup, with the Powers of being stronger and regenerating balanced with "gotta go in a freezer once in a while" Scar.

I did more with this ferectoi! Thanks to everyone enjoying the piece so far!

>>96477682
>the bow
you actually did it you madman!

>>96477701
It was actually in the very first sketches I did of her! I feel like it was a good suggestion to bring it back! It adds to her character I think!

>>96477707
>It adds to her character I think!
You're right!

>>96477682
Nice! Yeah, the bow makes it even better.
You draw great antagonists, anon.

>>96477682
Cute!

>>96477188
>help dreamdipshits in all cases
>fight marauders in all cases
>spend all your time fulfilling its petty whims
>best totem ever

>>96477723
I think it's a nice contrast to the wickedness and cruelty oozing out of her expression!
>>96477749
Thanks! I've always felt that to really make heroes shine, well-designed antagonists are important!
>>96477762
Thanks!

>>96477771
You would be surprised about what kind of bullshit the mages are willing to deal with.

So what's the procedure to deal with Ferectoi?
Like, let's say your characters (wolves, bastet, other fera, maybe even mages) find a Pentex preschool full of 'em. What's the right way to deal with the problem?

>>96477912
They don't really have "schools" for them. Each one is sent to a different "foster home" to be instructed in the ways of the Wyrm and to develop their powers and refine their nature to better serve the Wyrm in the future.
As for dealing with them, any proper Garou would have one response: you kill them. Each and every one of them is a genocide waiting to happen, a planetary extinction, and an infectious wound in Gaia.
They are actually, in a very literal sense, born capital "e" Evil.

>>96477682
great work once again anon

>>96477682
>>96477701
>the absolute madman actually did it
What a wonderful time to be alive.

>>96477912
Kill them quickly and with a minimum of pain or terror to minimize sanity damage. Burn everything to white ash.

>>96477928
>>96478078
Mage has the widderslaintes and Werewolf as the ferectoi.
Are there any other examples of justified child murder in WoD?

>>96477613
That's the thing with Deviant, though. I like the ghost busting setup and connection to the Underworld that's in Geist more than the "on the run from shadowy organizations" that Deviant has

>>96475905 (OP)
>ERP - yes or no?
No. Got a blanket (hur hur) policy against it in my games.
But I wish my favorite player was into it, because I'd change my policy in a heartbeat for her.

>>96476985
There are fan made clans/bloodlines and disciplines?

>>96478277
Yes. And you can make one yourself right now.

>>96478277
Tons. stvault has like half a dozen pdfs on it and Zanzibar's (in the op) has a large list too, we also made some in this general before

it's just that like with both canon bloodlines and homebrew in general most of them are shit (or at least only fitting into a specific group's game)

>>96478122
thallain for ctd and child and baby spectres also have a write up in the spectre book

>>96476212
Thanks for the advice. I'll look into getting a copy of hurt locker from the trove.
>>96476848
Thanks for sharing your combat hacks. I’ll probably stick with the base rules for now and use yours if I run into similar issues. Also, thanks for the solo tips. I’ve thought about having NPC allies, but they’d probably just be support for my little dude.

I've also considered reading CofD and starting from there, evolving my character from a normal guy into a full fledged monster hunter. I’m just worried that might be too much effort for little pay.

Hello, me and a couple of my friends are going to be playing Vampire soon-is, what edition is the best for newbies? (If there is such a thing)

>>96479045
>what edition is the best for newbies?
V20 a.k.a. VtM 20th Anniversary Edition
or
V5 a.k.a. VtM 5th Edition

V20 is out of print but PDFs can be had everywhere. It’s the older version of the game. It’s more full featured, but the older system is much crunchier and, with decades of supplements in it, it’s got balance issues.

V5 is the current version, if your players actually want to buy the books. The system and the setting have been simplified and streamlined. If you’ve never played before, you won’t notice, but veteran players typically prefer V20 because that’s what they’re used to.

FWIW, don’t say you like anything V5 in this general. In fact, don’t mention V5 at all. There’s no need to bring down that kind of heat on yourself over a game.

>>96479045
V20. It's a beast of a corebook but virtually everything you need in one book and the PDF version has pretty reasonable links so finding things isn't too much of a chore.

Though personally I think the culture around recommending noobs the most "simple" option is unhealthy for tabletop.

>>96479045
Please, for your sake, just play Vampire the Requiem 2e. It's more popular, it's got a better system, better narrative, better factions and it's so much less restrictive. Please don't fall for the Vampire the Masquerade trap.

>>96479106
>>96479111
V20 it is thank you
>If your players actually want to buy the books
In this economy? We've been playing rpgs for 5 years now and never once have we seen a physical book
>don’t say you like anything V5 in this general
Duly Noted
> I think the culture around recommending noobs the most "simple" option is unhealthy for tabletop
Yeah, I agree but we have scheduling issues and I wan't everyone to at least semi understand what's going on, my players have problems switching systems after playing for a long time and our DND1e campaign "finished" "recently" (everyone lost steam after three weeks of not being able to play a month ago)

>>96479158
Understandable. Good luck with your game. If you ever have any questions mechanical or practical feel free to ask them here.

>>96479152
>Vampire the Requiem 2e.
>It's more popular
I wish it was. I have never seen anyone ever play vtr. I’ve never even heard of anyone wanting to. Every time I offered, people responded, “why don’t we just play the vampire game we all already know?”

>>96479196
I played in a 5-year campaign of it.

>>96479111
>Though personally I think the culture around recommending noobs the most "simple" option is unhealthy for tabletop.
I think you have to take it on a case by case basis.
I’ve taught dozens of people to play TTRPGs and there’s no consistency with how they pick up the game.
Brand new people will need to be taught the entire idea behind, say, rolling a skill check; while people who have a background in other games like 40k or even just read a lot of fantasy/sci-fi may pick up on it quicker.

A simple system may get those new players interested and, as soon as they get to the point where they try to do something that the simple ruleset can’t account for, you know they are ready for a more complex game.

Similarly, some people just like a simple ruleset. I’m sure we’ve all experienced combats in v20 that took hours of constant rolling. Some of us find that really exciting. Some of use would rather be playing craps if it’s just going to be hours of rolling.

>>96475942
Cuckadoccian

>>96479045
V20 for the best bang for your buck.
Further recommendations would be Guide to the Camarilla and Sabbat alongside your players clan books.

>>96479106
It’s “out of print” but you can still get print on demand V20 from drivethrurpg.

>>96479540
As I recall unless you were in on the kickstarters POD was always the primary way to get it.

>>96479190
>If you ever have any questions
Actually have one already, I plan to go for local flavour™ are there any books with lore for europe? Specifically slavic countries

>>96479629
VTM Dark Ages and Transylvania Chronicles are the primary sources. There are others in other splats, like Rage Across Russia.

>>96479629
As another anon says, a lot of the europe lore is more medieval than modern. Modern is going to have a lot of vague lore and canon princes with like two paragraphs of lore on them tops. that and personally, I don't like a lot of official city lore myself. Rage Across Russia is a total mess of a book, and not just because it's cross-splat.

My advice is pick a place, see if there's anything official on it (the wiki can be good for finding basic lore and the sources for it), decide if anything is worth keeping, and then start building out your city. If you're a local to the area, odds are you'll probably have a more comprehensive view of the locale and its character than anyone who wrote the official stuff. There's an image floating around somewhere from the Revised ST guide about how the writers themselves say you can ignore and write over their official lore and OCs, or even kill them as a plot point if you want.

Want some advice in citybuilding?

>>96479677
>>96479755
Alright, thanks. No need for citybuilding advice, done that plenty times already myself and I have a solid idea for what I want

I took a look at the new Curseborne Primal revision. The original rules for them all but killed my interest in the game. You had a chunk of fera who all had the same crinos, and the crinos was less interesting than glabro. Now everyone gets a generic list of 6 traits, and another from their family, and you pick 2 from each. There is also a soft rage mechanic

All get these, and enhancement is extra successes when you roll at least 1, and tricks are stunts you can spend extras on
>+1 Enhancement that stacks on all physical actions
>+1 Enc. that stacks on all influence actions relating to intimidation
>+1 Enc. that stacks to defensive actions
>Regenerate 1 injury at the end of the round, unless it came from an attack using the Magical tag or spells
>Any of the four above shifts applied a second time
>Distraction is also an Influence Trick

As an example the spider/insects get this list
>Establish Grapple is also a Ranged Combat Trick
>1 natural armor (Padded ×1, Spiked)
>Unarmed attacks have the Elemental Attunement: Darkness and Poisoned tags
>Vision is unimpeded in the Darkness area effect
>Combat Trick: Impose Darkness (2 hits): Upon dealing 1 injury to an adversary, apply the Darkness area effect, an unnatural nightfall centering on the target
>Climb sheer surfaces at normal movement speed

And the wolf/canines get this
>Knockdown/Trip is also an Influence Trick
>1 natural armor (Elemental Resistance: Electricity, Padded ×1)
>Unarmed attacks have the Elemental Attunement: Electricity and Wounding tags
>The Imprint Influence Trick has a reduced cost of 1 hit
>Combat Trick: Impose Storm (2 hits): Upon dealing 1 injury to an adversary, apply the Extreme Weather area effect, a storm centering on the target
>Move from close to medium range as a reflexive action

I'm not sure it's as interesting as 5 bespoke forms but if I read it right you can pick new traits each time, and spend more resource to change them while in that form. So it's quite a different vibe at least

>>96479848
Wait to elaborate, I've done plenty of citybuilding in other RPG's if there is something specific to Vampire I'm all ears

>>96479873
I was just going to suggest a method I enjoy for filling out the characters of the city, especially how to design a vampire court.

>>96479755
Nta, but I'd be interested in some citybuilding advice, if you've got some to share. I like to read how people do that stuff

>>96479865

I forgot about curseborn. Is the system they're using better than world of darkness or chronicles of darkness? As you're using terminology i'm not familiar with.

Oh no, guys! An Etherite and his crew are being attacked by the Wyrm's agents while traveling through the Umbra. We have to save them before they get corrupted!

>>96480169
Sure. My general process for vampire is pick the city, research it, then start from the top down. Start with the Prince (or other top vampire), since while the Prince probably won't reflect the modern character of a given city due to their age, their will and character helps form the culture of the vampires in their city. Even a weak Prince defines the city through their weakness and being ruled by their court rather than the other way around. Some Princes fit their cities very well, others are deliberately incongruous. Pretentiousness aside, after I'm done with the Prince I fill out the court. First the Primogen council, then the specialist positions like Seneschal, Sheriff, etc. I spend a lot of time on their history, how they came into the positions, and their relationships with each other since almost all of the politics of the city will be downwind from that. During this process I like to deliberately ask myself if they should be the clan most typically associated with the position, (primogen excepted obviously) and if not, why? Ex: Is the Prince a Ventrue? If I say no to that, I ask myself why, just to mentally check myself to make sure I have a good reason to break from the default. There's nothing wrong with breaking from the default, but I think you should have a good reason for it, otherwise the default ceases to mean anything.

From there, I try to have at least one lower level vampire of every Cam 7 clan, preferably more since the PCs probably won't start by interacting directly with the power players in the city. I like to have a handful of vampires of other clans/bloodlines, but only a handful save designated antagonists.

Lastly, I like to do the mortals. Random civilians for flavor, a detective or two if they fuck up, some local unghouled prominent people. After this I do any antagonists, but honestly I'm more comfortable with making them up as I go. In fact, I like to make them up later so they can bounce off my PCs better.

>>96480380
There's already a Seventh Generation brand in the corner. It's a trick, whatever they found in space can't come back here.

>>96480460
huh rare based advice

>>96480460
Different guy here, but how do all these NPCs come up organically in play? I'm a pretty new player, I'm in a VTM game, and all the NPC interactions feel "forced" to me. Like we're called to see the Prince every session, and we have to get info from the Nosferatu where to go next all the time. And I'm pretty sure the latter is not our fault for being stupid, there's literally no other way to get info, whenever we try investigating, it's like a point and click game, where the main character goes "I can't do that right now". I kinda feel the whole game is really just the ST trying to show off the NPCs.

>>96480169
If I have to give one advice, to a semi-experienced ST, it would be that Princes are the key.

Overall, there are 3 different Princes.

Strongest: Guys who don't have a Primogen Council or have one just to have one. They are the law, whatever they say happens. They are strong enough to do whatever they want. Not even Elders of their city can go against their wishes and live to tell the tale. Most of the time, these kinds of Princes are in Europe and the Middle East. The best example is Mithras.
Typical: These Princes are strong but not strong enough to bypass other powerful vampires. They and their Council rule together. Most Princes are in this category.
Weak: As the name suggests, weak Princes. They are usually the puppet of their Primogen Council. They are a figurehead and can be replaced at the whims of the Council or the powerplays between Council members.

This is important because it sets the bedrock of your City for the vampires. Everyone is affected by the Prince, whatever they like it or not.

>>96480563
Thank you.

>>96480563
>Like we're called to see the Prince every session, and we have to get info from the Nosferatu where to go next all the time.
Not to be rude, but that's just a skill issue on your ST's part. You're being railroaded.

The NPCs come up organically when you put in the effort to consider the wider context. Let's take a very simple set-up. The Toreador Primogen wants his childer found, apparently they've gotten a wild hair and rumor has it that they're slumming it in the bad part of town with some wannabe Anarchs. He's asking you because this is beyond ghoul work, and stresses the importance of discretion. Maybe the PCs go to the Nosferatu for info, they probably won't be dealing with the Primogen himself, but a Nosferatu of similar age to them. They'll be able to get a lot of info, but there's a caveat, it's hard to get any info without exposing the Toreador in this. Depending on how much you give up, the Nosferatu might be poking around the Toreador in question and/or the Primogen, or a vicious new rumor might start swirling around Elysium. In the case of the latter, now you've made an enemy of the Toreador Primogen even if you did what he said, because now the filthy sewer rats are spreading rumors about him and his childer. Say you don't go that route, look around the "bad part of town". You might run into an overzealous Brujah that threatens you for coming onto his turf. Maybe you get into a fight, might need to explain that to the sheriff later. Maybe you talk him down, and he tells you where the childer is because you're cool.

Before this example gets too long and I hit the character limit, it's all about running games in a more "reactive" mindset. You may provide the initial prompt, but you're mostly adjusting to how the players handle things. By having a city will many NPCs with established relations, that becomes much easier. You know how the NPCs will react, and how they'll react to each other's reactions.

>>96480380
damn a scrawny Victorian motherfucker like that managed to score a mummy gf

>>96480563
describe your last session pls

>"We have WoD at home! >:("
>The WoD at home

>>96480869
WTF? How did they get away with this without a lawsuit?

>>96480918
>published by a chinese company
Nevermind, it's temu wod on mobile.

>>96480869
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQyia3PFqe8
this looks like utter ass
lmao

>>96480869
furry titties

>>96480380
Goddamn digital animation and outsourcing to korea was a mistake.
https://youtube.com/shorts/qvw4su-KmvA
This is how I Akashic

>>96480869
Ill let the numbers decide. 1-3 werewolf, 4-6 vampire, 7-8 magician, 9-0 hunter.

>>96481226
I want to be a Magician!

>>96481239
Sorry Jim, your a Hunter.

>>96481226
Changeling and Wraith gipped yet again

>>96481226
Weird how these are rare these days.
>>96481353
Always

>>96481226
Let's roll!
>CAPTCHA: 0YYYY

>>96481510
>hunter
Damn it. So close to Werewolf... ;-;

>>96481239
>>96481259
>>96481369
>>96481510
How many hunters we got in this thread anyhow?

>>96481226
Roll

>>96481768
Yay

>>96480967
It is ass. It's a shitty mobile city builder, but cards of some characters are sometimes pretty decent.

>>96482035
Oh, and the gameplay basically looks like this.

>>96481226
Magician, please.

>>96482127
Fuck, yeah!
Where's my raven familiar?

Rolled 8 (1d10)

>>96481226
Let's hope for Magician, literally everything else is a shit option.

>>96482163
Based.

>>96482163
>>96482218
You actually a Werewolf, man.
We don't roll dices: We go for last number in our post.

>>96479045
>>96479158
V20 is just an abjectly dogshit grifting bootleg of Revised.
Requiem 2e is a better choice if you want something modern and polished, Masquerade 1e is grognard go-to, and Masquerade Revised is V20 but better in every way because it didn't try to cram way too many unnecessary crap in one book while leaving important information out and zero quality control overall.

>>96482249
>you are dog, harry

>>96482326
>while leaving important information out and zero quality control overall
can you develop?

>>96482375
KEK

>>96482218
Who transfigured this turkey? I want to learn to do the same.

>>96482481
Are you a magician?

>>96482486
Ye

>>96482507
It's just Life 3, bro. (Awakening)
In Ascension it's probably Life 3 + Prime 2 + Time 4 + Matter 1

>>96482523
I understand why a familiar would need Prime in Ascension but why the fuck would you need Time 4 and Matter 1?

>>96482572
Fair.

>>96482218
Why's he got the falcon notch in his beak? Are they kings the same way as king snakes?

>>96482592
Fuck if I know, I'm just a guy who enjoys /an/
Ironically, I'm also one of the guys who hates animalism clans.

>>96482393
You mean elaborate?
Sure. All the stuff from the Revised Storyteller's Handbook (one of more useful supplements for Revised) is just missing, cause it had nothing to do with powergaming. Even if you were inclined to disregard all matters pertaining to dynamics, worldbuilding, story flow and the like, V20's supplements also utterly fail to explain core, essential things (like, say, the principles through which blood magic works, the rules for ritual creation and alteration, about how many rituals a practitioner of certain experience would have, etc), but are full of biased wank, munchkinnery implements like xp-farming cool-aid and 'typos' and openly deliberate edits for the worse.

>>96482678
Nta but those don't sound essential either?

How big is Chiropteran Marauder relative to a Werewolf's war form?

>>96482733
Significantly smaller.

>>96482739
Really? In bloodlines the sheriff's looked about as big if not bigger than the Griffith Park Werewolf.

>>96482746
I mean, the fucker was already a freaking giant as a "human". The developers had to make him even bigger in his alt form to shock you.

>>96482733
Assuming it's a similar size to Horrid Form, Chiropteran Marauder would be about 8 feet tall.

Suddenly I'm struck by the image in my head of a dwarf vampire with a pint sized Marauder form.

>>96482678
I see

>>96482797
>dwarf vampire
It's his fault he didn't use vicissitude to fix himself.

Fellow ST, would you allow a player that wanted to continue playing their dark age character in a modern adventure to pick motorcycle riding at a discount, or would you try to nudge them to find a new horse and keep being a silly anachronism?

>>96482881
Nah, just let the player choose.

>>96482881
Nah, they need to pay the skill in full.

>>96482797
Well that's what I'm wondering. Is it even the same size as Horrid Form or is it bigger? It seems to be very inconsistent in the games, Vukodlak's is practically dragon sized.

What would be an interesting additional discipline for an Assamite Sorcerer?

>>96483104
Which 3 are in-clan?

>>96483104
Visissitude and Dementation.

>>96483136
We're using Revised, so Celerity, Obfuscate, and Dur-An-Ki
>>96483180
Dementation could certainly be interesting. My idea is for them to be a Coptic Christian who's really into their faith, so maybe that could be part of it

>>96483216
Auspex.

>>96483216
>Celerity, Obfuscate
I'd really start working on Auspex, even if out of clan before these two.

>>96483253
>>96483269
Why Auspex?

>>96483286
Horny shit.

>>96483286
To see your fellow ass mites masturbating* in your haven.
*while obfuscated, if that wasn't clear

>>96483317
>>96483333

>>96483333
The Quads have spoken, there are assemites fapping in your room right now.

>>96483286
I was going to give a serious explanation, but >>96483333 it too funny to bother.

There are obfuscated kindred masturbating *everywhere*.
Now you know why the Tremere are so paranoid, why the Toreador hate the Nosferatu and why the Malks go crazy.

>>96480342
I've not played with it but I like the system enough from I'll give it a go when the game is out. I don't have the best handle on it yet but I can explain any terms you want

I do like most of what I've seen though, Dice rolling seems like it's somewhere between the two where 8+ is a success but there is task difficulty to set the amount you need. Bonuses to them are extra successes rather than extra dice. There is a good amount of social/non-combat rules which I like to see. They seem decent enough too. Antagonists are all template based, and equipment is all tag based, so there is a lot of customisation of that stuff. Damage is all pretty flat though which I don't think is going to feel super engaging. It doesn't look like it's got all the hoops you need to jump through of oWoD or CofD so I expect I'll play smoother but I'm not sure if that makes it more fun until I've played it. The magic system is fun looking too. Every splat gets 15 spells in three and each spell has a few ways you can upgrade it. It's a good variety of stuff from the looks of it but I never delved too deep because the old primal rules were bad enough that I didn't really care.

>>96483340
You just have to pretend you can't see your sire jacking off over your bed.

>>96483216
>>96483136
I'm dumb as shit, the revised Sorcerer caste Assamite spread is actually Quietus, Obfuscate, and Dur-An-Ki

>>96483525
Enjoy your downgrade.

>>96483543
Jee, thanks. Quietus feels so strange as a Discipline.

>>96483566
Tell your ST how awesome Dark Ages (20) rules are.
Ass mite sorcerers get Thaumaturgy, Auspex and Celerity.
You can play as an incompetent, more socially awkward Tremere!

>>96483638
Nah I know them, they're going to stick to what's in the book for this.

But with Quietus instead of Celerity, is Auspex still the way yall think I should go?

>>96483668
Yeah.

>>96476579
Ceaser bottomed though

>>96483566
The real question: are you going to play bas twink?

>>96483711

When did that happen? Actually maybe I don't want to know if the romans took the greek mentorship problem too. If it's as bad as the meme implies.

>>96483968
No, I'm going to play as a woman

>>96484126
>>96484114
>>96483711
faggot pedoes trying to revise history to deny the fact they all die from AIDS and touch kids.

>>96484156
A small, cute one?

Is it just me or are shotguns a little... underwhelming in nWoD/CofD. They have a reputation as the Hunter's favorite weapon but honestly, I don't see 9-again as a worthy trade for the +1 damage and much longer range of a rifle, which is your other cheap long gun. Is it just because it's much easier to make shells that contain a monster's bane than normal bullets?

>>96484295
>it's much easier to make shells that contain a monster's bane than normal bullets
Yup. Lower pressures, big bore, and cycling manually means you can put rosary beads and bath salts into your shells and be pretty safe from jamming or blowing up.

>>96484284
More like a tall, cute one

>>96484114
>>96483711
The Queen of Bithynia thing was slander other senators used to try to ruin Caeser's career. He owned the rumor though so it didn't work.

With that said, Romans had various layers of gayness ranging from least gay to most gay, which are: fucking a guy in the ass/mouth > taking it in the ass > getting fucked in the mouth (irrumatio) > willingly sucking dick (fellatio) > eating pussy

>>96484694
>> eating pussy
wtf

>>96484721
Different countries have different mores. A lot of countries in the Mediterranean/middle east absolutely despise it to this day, because it's considered humiliating. Meanwhile anglos and japs love it cause they're more egalitarian or they're perverts respectively.

>>96482733
seems to depend on the skill of the vampire, we have a artwork from dav20 where it's not all that much larger than a normal human, then we have vtmb where the sherrif is large enough to throw small cars at you and redemption we have a specimen that is larger than vozhod sized

>>96484750
Is it a hygiene thing? Only a broken eunuch would go down voluntarily, so shame is proportionate to the fight you're presumed to have lost?

It's FINALLY done! Though no one asked, I have a bit of lore for her pet: it was an offering from a Scorpion Eater Kuei-jin, like a sort of perverse take on the nativity scene. In an effort to curry favor with the unfathomably bloated power of Pentex, and to pay dark homage to the infinite wickedness of the Wyrm, this Kuei-Jin travelled across the sea to give gifts to this dark child of the Great Corruptor.

Anyways, I hope you all enjoy this final! She took a long road through a ton of drafts to get here!

>>96484881
Great job! I kinda wish we had art like this for the newer books, instead of shitty shops of random staff photographs. MET was a mistake.

>>96484881
Very nice
How many hours did it take you (approx.)?

>>96484902
Thanks man! Someday I'd love to be able to work on an official product! Until then, it's just these labors of love, so to speak.
>>96484912
Hard to say! but if I had to say, about a week of continuous work. But that's not all in a row, and not all at once. I generally worked on it in 5 hours bursts, I don't generally time it very closely.

>>96484881
Do you post your stuff anywhere?

>>96485001
Sure! I post on twitter, under @Heshoid5! Though at the moment its a pretty small page

Why would Matthew do this?

>>96485066
acording to his og backstory it was a misguided attempt at helping the salubri by trying to discover blood magic unrelated to the tremere but the things he found turned him (even more) crazy

friend of mine got bloodlines 2 refunded twice and for some reason it makes me want to kick him out of our group

>>96485102
Why?
Refunding that shit game is the only moral action. Getting twice the money from doing so is a reward.

>>96485102
>>96485112
Remember, guys, when bloodlines 2 comes out, you should pirate it twice so paradox loses twice as much money!

Malkbros...

>>96482733
Most likely the same size as most Werewolves.
Horrid Form is already as big as a small Werewolf at 8 feet tall. I would assume Marauder form is bigger at 9 feet or so.

>>96485206
The Ordo Maleficus was once an entire lobe of a trinity, and those old roots were never known to have been dug out but only ceased to be mentioned. It is what it is.

>>96484881
This brat is in serious need of Gaian correction!!

>>96484881
This looks awesome!

>>96475905 (OP)
What type of monster/supernatural/cryptid would you Iike to see get their own splat-line?

>>96486329
Leviathan but less shit lol

Your party has to fight an argentinosaurus. Can they kill it?

>>96486371
They're alive, so guns do lethal and they only soak it with the armor?

>>96486377
>>96486371
If Mages with 3 stamina can soak lethal, this thing should be able to do so too.

>>96484881
Incredible. Very Wesker vibe. Love your take on the Pentex logo as well as the small details on her face, the bow, the tubes going into her, the metal rings on the right one's face, the massive fuckoff cannon on the left one, the centipede nesting her, and the dreaded sense that, out of every dreaded creature in there, she's the most dangerous one.

>>96485206
This is how Daughters of Cacophony are born btw. They embrace the unicorn at the same time at the height of orgasm.

>>96485112
no no i fear you misunderstand me: that guy preordered the game and got it refunded when paradox refunded the game for everyone in 2020 then he preordered the fucking delux edition of the same game and now paradox is "forcing" a second refund on him because that edition had the clan dlc included and they are revising that

>>96486380
Mages don't soak Lethal by default. They need to power up themselves to get that.

>>96486617
>spend 12 freebies to be an action movie star

It's not BAD mind you, but is it worth the opportunity cost? That's 2 attributes, 6 ability dots, two arete, almost two spheres, so many fucking rotes. And you still need high stamina to actually make use of this too.

>>96486681
A mage with Life 5 can provide far better permanent enhancements, assuming he pushes himself to improve that far and survives long enough. Just reinforcing your Pattern should be doable with Prime 5 as well.

With Mages merits are a matter of getting things here and now, before you start, as opposed to developing far enough to just be able to take what you want. A more expensive, way more limited immediate benefit that gives you some survival insurance but costs you your precious headstart in terms of Arete, Mentor, Library and other progression advantages.

>>96486771
>>96486681
You guys do know that you can get Merits and Flaws from play, right? That Life 5, Prime 5 mage will get these Merits if they do that. Though most likely with Permenant Paradox since it isn't from the character creation.

>>96486617
The invention of distinction between lethal and bashing was a comparatively very late, Revised change that came from vampire dev.
Revised and M20 are considered somewhat anathema, so most magefags don't know or care that there's a special category of normal damage that vampires are allowed to soak and they are not. And everyone girds against aggravated anyway.

>>96475905 (OP)
Gauro cock or Kindred cock?

>>96484867
Crazy how much cucking eunuchs did and no one cared bc they couldn't knock your wife up.

>>96486801
When you got em or how or what they are doesn't really matter. What matters is:
is the stuff offensively vulgar? is the stuff properly permanenced, temporary or half-assed with inadequate means? is your ST an asshole?

>>96487152
Hunter cock, to defeat every kind of supernatural female.

>>96487152
Garou cock. It's bigger and thicker, doesn't need blood magic to get it up like a vampire's, and not only you have 2 types to pick from but also 5 different sizes

>>96486801
>That Life 5, Prime 5 mage will get these Merits
Difference is that some merits have a permanent advantage if you get them at character gen: The difference between buying Unaging and creating an immortality spell is being able to interact with Earth at all after a while.

Have any of you ever set up KoboldAI for WoD/CofD stuff? How well does it to?

A silly question but if Geralt was thrown into world of darkness how long do you think he'd last? I want to say he's mortal plus, but not anything similar to explicitly being vampire, werewolf, or mage tier.

Is he just a sorcerer able to get attributes and abilities at 6 plus? My knowledge of witcher is not very high so lore gurus take it easy if i'm saying something wrong.

>>96487408
Merits give you absolutely zero defence against a ST that decided to enforce thoroughly optional age dox rules, lol.

>>96487542
>Merits give you absolutely zero defence against
They do though. Merits are not true-magic. An ST hitting you with permadox for them is over-reaching. There are example NPCs that've been on earth for thousands of years because they have Unaging.

How exactly do Vampires stay Christian in undeath? Like the Cappadocians are straight-up necromancers, how can they still maintain a Christian faith when they’re desecrating and animating corpses? Same with any Christian vampire that might interact with Spirits, what room is there for that in the Christian mindset?

>>96487493
In terms of raw fighting I don't think Geralt is actually that cooked. Thing is, while it's often discussed at length due to being something that's easy to measure in a semi-objective fashion, who wins in a direct, head on fight isn't the meta. Problem is his established "got stabbed by a pitchfork because I hesitated to kill a normie teenager" weakness is going to be easily exploited by any vampire with a welterweight amount of Dominate or Presence (or other supernatural with similar powers). Dozens of mind controlled innocents with guns? Geralt doesn't have a good answer to that. He thrives in running 1v1s with dangerous monsters.

So even if Geralt with his silver sword, superhuman reflexes, and potions so powerful they'd kill a lesser man could utterly dumpster things way "stronger" than the aforementioned vampire, he'd flounder with the many denizens who hide embedded in society and work heavily through innocent proxy. On the plus side, he doesn't kill supernatural creatures because they're supernatural, only if they are hurting people. So that might limit his hostile contact with some supernaturals.

>>96487666
Same way people mixed pagan and Christian practices together. You still see it a lot in Asia and Africa, people will go to church but also to folk healers and stuff like that. At the end of the day people don't really think too hard about it, they either go with syncretism or splinter off into yet another denomination.

>>96487666
You can be a holy necromancer. It's not like every Necromancy is of the Giovanni kind.

>>96487666
>How exactly do Vampires stay Christian in undeath?
>666
ok Baali.

Serious answer though? Mix of cope and Job (the guy in the bible). Being embraced should shake your faith in whatever religion you held when you were alive. Here's this evil, omnipresent threat that's all around mortals, God's children, sucking the lifeblood out of them, and God's own word failed to mention that very real threat? But it's not as if various Christian sects haven't tackled the problem of evil before, you'd need to re-adjust them for the new info of active supernatural evil existing on earth and a seeming lack of angels protecting us... but you could still do it.

Especially since faith, especially in those times, was lived. When we talk about how everyone was Christian in the middle ages, we might assume that everyone was akin to a modern bible thumper. But they weren't. Most people don't think about their faith too hard the same way people in secular countries don't think too hard about the political theory and philosophy that underpins their nation state and culture.

And many do lose their faith entirely even in that time (Road of Heaven is but one of many back in medieval europe), but those who hold to it cling to it the same way a modern vampire might turn into a coping humanityfag. Even if it's cope, it's cope that's good for the soul, and if you want something more robust... God has been known to test the faith of the pious with great tragedy before, and nobody is beyond redemption so long as they accept Jesus Christ into their heart and truly repent for their sins.

>>96487603
You are going to pay for the "merits" one way or the other. You literally become a bygone if you don't pay XP for the permanent enchantments. And sometimes, you still get a permanent paradox.

>>96487805
>You are going to pay for the "merits" one way or the other.
That's what freebies at character generation are for anon. Did you not notice I made a clear distinction between merits and effects you create with true magick? Did you confuse me with the retard saying you can make merits with magick?

>>96487791
>and God's own word failed to mention that very real threat?
The children of Caine are literally in the bible and vampire call themselves "Cainites". If anything, it's Proof of their faith depending on the christian.

>>96488357
I was talking about getting Merits (and Flaws) outside of character creation.

>>96487791
>humanityfag
>Calls someone else baali
Anon, did you think we wouldn't notice?

>>96488405
>Tremere anon
Which one of you is that?

>>96488454
Anon isn't capitalisted. The baali is talking to an anon about the tremere, not talking about a tremere anon.

Best Hulk Smash build?

>>96488508

Get of Fenris Ahroun with the Might of Thor gift. Troll with Dragon's Ire or just any vampire with potence. I think you'd have an easier time being hulk with Changeling Trolls. Werewolves require you to survive long enough to get the busted gifts and they're already front loaded.

>>96487705
So Geralt would be vulnerable to social manipulation? I mean that makes sense. I just wasn't sure if he was good enough not get flatten by Nosferatu or if he was really out of luck werewolves. To me he just seem like he was a sorcerer with super human stats but not necessarily good enough to deal with the more ridiculous power sets in world of darkness.

Let's say that Sin-Eaters and Werewolves are in close proximity to one and other, operating in the same city. How would they interact?

>>96488380
The bible's Cain is hardly accurate to the full story of Kindred. He's just a dude, bible Cain if anything feels like a game of telephone played with Kindred. I'd say that Noddism Caine was actually vampire cope if not for the fact we know he's objectively real

>>96488667
What the serious fuck is a 'Sin-Eater'? Sounds like some kinda Wyrm-creature, anon. You don't hang out with Wyrm-creatures do ya? You got a mighty squishy skull after all.

>Human
>Male
>Fighter
What's the WoD equivalent of this?

>>96488831
I think he might have meant the wereboars who were destroying wyrm taint by eating it.

>>96488870
>Uncreative /pol/tard fishing for help on his stupid meme

>>96488667
i vaguely remember some geist book saying that sin eaters don't like either vampires nor werewolves because they are both serial killers in their eyes and that werewolves sometimes get fucked it they confuse a chthonic spite with a spirit of death because their powers aren't meant for these things and that sin eaters have the same problem the other way around

but it been ages since i read geist

>>96488870
>ventrue
>male
>rich
or
>toreador
>female
>slut

>>96488889
"wereboar" you say? That's definitely Wyrm tainted and needs to be destroyed.

>>96488667
They don't really line up or conflict directly. Maybe if a bunch of people become ghosts because of Woof hunts or the activities of the Krewe end up screwing with the spiritual balance of the area they might interact, but they're generally not going to show up on each others' radars much.

>>96488870
>Human
>Male
>Hunter

Which splat is the most stinky?

>>96488870
>>96488912
Nosferatu hacker
Gangrel drifter
Brujah brawler
Giovanni mafioso

>>96488977
Promethean.

>>96488667
>How would they interact?
In general, the Sin Eaters would be fearful of the Forsaken because of the significant power imbalance without specialized gear and haunt combo. If the Sin Eaters are Tyrants they mostly stay arround the wolves like crows waiting for their next meal.

>>96487805
I was wondering about this, how far could you go with it? Could you effectively become a pillar man with it?

>>96489049
Attributes cap out at 8, since the human body can't handle more than that. You can't go over 8 with demonic investments or cybernetics either.

>>96488900
Yeah, like the previous version of werewolf, the ghosts have the edge unless the wolf has the "literally fuck ghosts" power.

>>96475905 (OP)
I'm gearing up to run a VTM 20th game, but one of my players has been asking to be allowed to play a mage. Have any of you mixed the two books and if so did it seem balanced?

>>96489147
>but one of my players has been asking to be allowed to play a mage.

No. Hard no. Shut that shit down immediately. Cross-splat is a horrible, unbalanced, barely functional mess even if you know what you're doing. You would have to learn an entirely different game with different lore and mechanics just to facilitate one player who can and will demand do to solo scenes while everyone else is daysleeping. Tell him to play a Tremere or stfu.

I'm trying to start a game for Hunter: the Vigil but I can only find a pdf for 1e. Anyone know a place where I could find 2e? For free, that is. Otherwise, is 1e good enough to start with?

>>96489147
*character creation*
"okay, time to roll for your starting blood pool
- 2
- you look at your perfectly human comrade strangely. make a self-control check"
lol

>>96489147
can't he just play a tremere or setite

>>96489186
https://mega.nz/folder/09k2mCxK#gLmbMumjjP61tI9Pe-3EBQ
here you go bud. I got the full pdf of htv2, along with tending the flame and a homebrew collection I liked some of the ideas from in the Hunter folder.

>>96489480
Thank (You)!

>>96489480
Thanks! Much appreciated, anon.

>>96489147
This: >>96489295

Do any of you anons know where it’s mentioned that Dur-An-Ki can take the Path of Warding? It has it listen on the wiki but I can’t find anything

>>96489751
the wiki says it's in libellus sanguinis 3

>>96489751
>>96489847
p.67

Back again with a Kiasyd WIP!

>>96486580
>the dreaded sense that, out of every dreaded creature in there, she's the most dangerous one
That's because she is!

>>96486329
Aliens, all sorts of 'em

Chronicles of Fagness

>>96490216
>Kiasyd
Not a hot girl.
Not a femboy.
Come on, artfag.

>>96490260
Nothing about the Kiasyd description indicates they're attractive or cute. They're described as extremely tall and creepy grey-alien-looking freaks.

>>96490247
What a stupid name! What kinda title has "Chronicles" on it?

For mage 20th what is the optimal way to spend your bonus points? I feel like you'd have to be pretty very big brain to actually start with Arete one and try to get eight spheres at character creation. On the other hand I feel as if Arete 3 is required to be good at casting magic, but not necessarily the greatest for setting up a good foundation for your mage by having access to nodes, blessings, contacts, and etc. Any veterans here who have advice other than it depends on the storyteller?

>>96490260
Artfag likes drawing the monstrous and outright horrifying parts of the setting. Which honestly, I respect the commitment.

Planet of Gloom

>>96490767
Large Area of Low Visibility

>>96486329
My idea was something I called Cyrptid: the legend/yokai: the binding
It's essential a filler for other types of supernaturals/urban legends.

The basis idea it followed was "When people belive enough of a legend is true it pops into exist". The Mages called them bygones; the fae, Living Chimera, and they merely called themselves Cryptids(yokai in japan)
However since they appeared suddenly, they can disappear suddenly. Poofing away if they don't have enough status in the world, so so e counter that problem by binding onto people.

I thought about ti for a bit and even devoted some of the sub-groups for them.

>>96488470
There’s no comma, no one is being address. Anon used in this context means “at another time” so they’re saying we’ll talk about the Tremere at another time.

Fucking illiterate anons.

>>96490900
Would these be playable?

Updated that Kiasyd! So far it's actually coming together really fast!

Speaking of which, how would Kiasyd fit in Requiem?

>>96491085
Anon, would you mind if I used your various arts for tokens and stuff in future games I run?

>>96491127
Mekhet bloodline #38647, probably.

>>96491129
Well, it's public so anyone can use them for any reason! But if you do use my stuff, I'd appreciate it a lot if you also gave out my twitter handle, just to help spread my page around!
I'm flattered that you like them enough to use them, that IS why I make them, to help elevate WoD and inspire other people the same way that the old edition art inspired me!

>>96491141
I just run games with my immediate friends, but I would absolutely tell them who the artist was and where to find your stuff if they're interested. I posted a few of your pics in our groupchat as a "yo look what this guy on /tg/ made", before you put out the handle.

>>96491140
Mekhet would fit though. Gangrels have the pseudo-werewolf bloodline, Mekhet seem about right for pseudo-changeling.

>>96491173
Well, hey thanks! I hope they liked the pieces I've made so far! I have no intent to stop either, so there's plenty more to come! There's a ludicrous amount of stuff in WoD for me to draw.

>>96491179
>Gangrels have the pseudo-werewolf bloodline
Come again?

>>96491367
NTA, but he's probably talking about the Dead Wolves from Shadows of Mexico, p102

How good is Fortitude? I mean it seems nice, but I have a weird feeling that it’s not as good as I might think

>>96490479
It won't be that big of a deal if your ST homebrews arete + highest sphere (like they should) for casting, but with the rules written as is, I feel like you need at least 2 Arete to not be at the mercy of the dice fucking you over.

>>96491085
I love how you made him nosferatu-lite, but still kept all the Kiasyd characteristics like the ultra pale skin and the thin tall body.

>>96491141
what's your twitter handle boss, I've been posting your stuff to our Werewolf game but I can't find your account through reverse image searching

>>96491586
It's invisible armour with no downsides. Depending on the edition it might be better or worse and it's never as good as Celerity, but it's always good enough to justify getting it. If it's in clan grab it. If you don't have Celerity in clan then definitely grab it, it's your only chance of surviving a fight long enough to do stuff.

>>96491586
I just think no-selling obvious catastrophic injuries is the thematically coolest thing for undead to do, so I'd rather have that over other vampires and make them fight me in cars.

What was his fucking problem?

>>96492400
He was an incel.

>>96492400
spooky scary death send shivers down his spine

>>96492680
what 600 years of no pussy does to a motherfucker

>>96492400
He was 100% certain he was going to spend some time in hell when he inevitably dies, and he didn't want that.

>>96490976
Oh most definitely.
Again it any creature with a legend behind them that doesn't actually exist. Hauntings without wraiths, Beasts without monsters, legends without backings. They don't have history, they only have stories. And they want to stay.

>>96491586
It is useful but you are much better off avoiding the damage entirely with social and utility disciplines. In a decent chunk of cases mundane armor and blood buff will be enough for the character to survive and heal.

>>96491586
Ask Hardestadt lol

>>96492743
He then spent time in a hell while alive as a guest of the ruler.

>>96493053
Ooff

>>96491860
my twitter is @heshoid5, but some of my WIPs haven't made it on the page yet!

>>96491705
I did it that way, since Kiasyd are described as looking like grey aliens. But the huge fangs are my own addition, just because I like that

>>96490976
Amogus?

>NWO end game is creating 1984
>Syndicate end game is creating Brave New World
Yeah, Imma say the Syndicate is kinda based. If you were powerless wod mortal drone cattle, you'd much rather live in the latter.

>>96492905
I like the concept. NGL I know fuck all about either Changeling but I like the Fables system and could see it integrated into WoD's Consensus. The Big Bad Wolf and The Boogeyman aren't real splats but everyone knows their legend? Now Fey magic makes them real and the more people know about them the stronger they become. Freddy Krueger style works too. That way Ancient Aliens at 3AM is doing more harm than good and manifesting modern Mayan worship of ayys.

>>96493722
What I'm hearing is you would choose epsilon life and I shouldn't feel pity if I see you there.

>>96482678
>Revised Storyteller's Handbook
Storyteller's Handbooks are such a good series. I like the one for Werewolf as well.

>>96491586
Really good but you only have 7hp and sometimes people just roll high on damage. Being able to guarantee successes by spending blood is cool but most people can only spend 1 blood per turn so don’t get hit twice

How would the garou react to discovering that one of their kinfolk was a hunter. Let's say the kinfolk in question wasn't aware of the supernatural but become imbued and started clapping local vampires or whatever.

>>96494041
They would kill the kinfolk because they would absolutely believe he was possessed by a Wyrm spirit. There is almost no reason to believe something else without outside interference.

>>96475905 (OP)
Am I insane for thinking that Beast can be a decent game if you ignore the whole lessons and subversion shit and just accept that they are utterly immoral monsters who's only saving grace is the possibility of taking out even worse monstrosities?

>>96494105
Hunters don’t smell like the wyrm

Vampires are the only good guys btw.

>>96494213
And what makes you think that would be enough clear them?

>>96494182
Yes, even if you want to play Dexter, there are much better options for that. The biggest contribution Beast has to the game line is the exotic environmental effects.

>>96494259
It’s viscerally obvious to garou when something is tainted by the wyrm even if the being in question is totally unaware of it, like vampires. That doesn’t mean they would trust the imbued

>>96494291
>It’s viscerally obvious to garou when something is tainted by the wyrm even if the being in question is totally unaware of it
No, they have an easy-to-learn (and fool) gift to detect Wyrm-tainted creatures at close range. Even in an optimistic scenario, the hunter would still be treated with suspicion because of his similarities to possessed creatures.

>>96494355
It seems more likely they would think hunters are some trick of the weaver. They tend to appear in cities and protect humanity, the weaver’s adopted children

>>96494213
>Hunters don’t smell like the wyrm
But they do smell.

>>96494388
Like humans. So, french fries.

>>96494041
I'm with the others. It's an imbued, it's a hunter, its going to attack Fera one day. Best to exise the threat (i.e, send him on a trail into a hive so he can die like a real man, against the minions of the wyrm)

>>96494435
>Sending your Kinfolk even if its imbued to get murder-raped-breed in a hive

A Spiral wrote this.

Different tribes of Garou would respond in different ways but none would let them keep being a hunter

Imagine being a Gaian lol. Embarrassing.

>>96479865
I am constantly in awe of how bad curseborne is

how did they make it so bad, they made plenty of good games before

>>96494105
>because they would absolutely believe he was possessed by a Wyrm spirit.
Anon, hunters smell like the Weaver. They'd get killed for weaver taint/possession.
Only retarded STs think the wyrm is responsible for everything evil.

>>96494467
>but none would let them keep being a hunter
I wonder what happens if the garou perform the rite of exorcism on an imbued. Maybe they could remove the messenger's curse that's castrating human potential.

>>96494554
>Only retarded STs think the wyrm is responsible for everything evil.
Just like most WW writers.

Got a question about a Slasher in my HtV game. He's a former Ghoul whose master was killed by a pack of Amaranthine Cats. The guy was just dumb muscle, he's an idiot and without that sweet sweet Vitae he's suddenly found himself rapidly aging 40 years until he's a 70 year old man. As he loses his mind he tries to remember how to recapture his youth, but all he knows is that he was fed blood. He's now a Slasher, the press have named him the Vampire Killer because he rips his victims throats out and drinks as much of their blood as possible before vomiting it up later.

The question is, do I make this guy a Brute or a Freak?

>>96494599
I'd say it depends on how supernatural you want to run being a Slasher as. the dude's 70, so unless some fuckery is going on he's probably nowhere near strong enough to be a brute. On the other hand if being a Slasher is magic and drinking the blood really does make him stronger then he could totally be a Brute.

>>96494278
I actually want to play an Attack Helicopter. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the oilfields dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners. People say to me that a person being a helicopter is Impossible and I'm fucking retarded but I don't care, I'm beautiful. I'm having a plastic surgeon install rotary blades, 30 mm cannons and AMG-114 Hellfire missiles on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me "Apache" and respect my right to kill from above and kill needlessly. If you can't accept me you're a heliphobe and need to check your vehicle privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.

The garou view of the imbued was talked about a bit in official books

>As far as most werewolves are concerned, most humans who take up hunting werewolves are simply ordinary people with the willpower to resist the Delirium and the idiocy to think they're a match for Garou. Most Garou don't even know that the "imbued" class of hunter is even out there; even those who encounter an Imbued face-to-face are unlikely to be able to tell the hunter apart from a subtle fomor, mage, or otherwise enhanced human.

>Trash-80, a Bone Gnawer Ragabash, discusses that the Imbued tend to appear in cities and that they have some sort of supernatural power that isn't from the Umbra or spirits powering them. He also discusses that other Garou think they've been empowered by the Wyrm or the Weaver, but they don't smell like either. Some think that they were sent out by the Wyrm in a last desperate flash of sanity to restore balance to the world, despite not smelling of the Wyrm at all. Others think that they're the next evolutionary step up from humanity to defend itself. That a collective spirit of humanity finally got around to providing someone to fight against the Impergium, only being a zillion years too late. It could be an Eighth Sign of the Apocalypse, or it could be anything, as even these "imbued" don't have a clue either. The only thing they know is that they woke up and started seeing monsters everywhere and held on just long enough to find out that it's no hallucination. And since they're just ordinary folks at heart, that means they see the need to watch out for their kids, or to clean up their neighborhoods, etc. So, they go vigilante - and they're just tough enough to be dangerous.

This is in particular is interesting

>Some think that they were sent out by the Wyrm in a last desperate flash of sanity to restore balance to the world, despite not smelling of the Wyrm

>>96494735
>Some think that they were sent out by the Wyrm in a last desperate flash of sanity to restore balance to the world, despite not smelling of the Wyrm

Hatar bros, it's working!

>>96494552
>they made plenty of good games before
As well as Beast and Geist2.

>>96494735
>Some think that they were sent out by the Wyrm in a last desperate flash of sanity to restore balance to the world, despite not smelling of the Wyrm
I'm actually kind of curious, having not dove into werewolf all that much, but does Sense Wyrm let woofs distinguish between sensing the tainted aspects of the wyrm vs the balance wyrm, or does it all smell the same to them?

>>96494552
What do you think is bad about it?

>>96494797
No. It all smells of the wyrm. Doesn't matter what aspect it is or whether it's the curse of caine or entropic resonance or what have you.

>>96494703
What makes the Slasher is a mild supernatural element. They're never said to be conciously supernatural, if that makes sense? Any Dread Powers they have are more passive in nature, they're just something that the Slasher can do as they grow in power and become Scourges.

Per the rules of the game, once he kills enough people they will evolve into a more supernatural version of their current calling (think Jason Vorhees before he's resurrected vs after).

>>96494599
>>96494703
Alternatively you could skip the middleman and make him a Mask/Mutant. I remember the Slasher book (1e anyways) saying that Scourge-tier Slashers that didn't start out as usually are that way because they had a brush with the supernatural. As a possibility maybe the vitae had a one-in-a-million reaction with his system as a result of the stress from accelerated aging and either supercharged his body to the point he became a brute force behemoth at the cost of atrophying his higher mental functions (Mask) or twisted his flesh and blood into a pseudo-revenant hungry for blood (Mutant). Just spitballing here, but let me know if this is useful as inspiration.

>>96494866
*that didn't start out as Rippers

>>96494852
Yeah, this guy is right. And being a former ghoul is the perfect gateway for his own brand of supernatural fuckery.

>>96494735
>a collective spirit of humanity
It's WoD, this is a valid interpretation of Abraham-God.

>>96494866
I'd forgotten that bit from the 1e book actually. That's a very useful point, I think jumping him straight up to a Mask could be a fun way to do it. The Masks ability to reduce all damage to 1 point of Bashing could be flavoured as him healing with all the Blood he's drunk. I'm picturing him as a bloated and ugly old man with a huge pot-belly from all the blood he's gorged himself on.

>be random norwegian
>wander into a cave while exploring
>embraced by a nosferatu
>now ugly and forced to wander the earth sucking off animal blood
>suddenly Vykos appears out of nowhere and for no adequately explained reason decides to liquefy you
>now part of the midnight circus as a (un)living flesh puddle

>>96494552
That stuff looks interesting enough to me, is there something I don't know about here?

>>96488870
just a human guy

>>96494977
>lower billed than Cone of Flesh

>>96494968
Good call. It'd be fitting to base his Dread Powers on inherent vampire abilities, like Kindred senses, physical intensity and maybe predatory aura. Not sure about the Blush of Life though.

>>96494977
Grim.
Imagine how much worse if he was a russian.

New ST from a while back here, my players have made their charachters, they are both 8th gen vamps (Ventrue and Giovanni) any tips on how pre existing vamps would react to two neonates of such (I think) high generation?

>>96495697
the Ventrue def would comment on their genealogy (if the sire is known), comparing them to their Sire and historic
Giovanni would be treated like garbage in Elyseum I guess? Harpies would tore them a new one at least

>>96495697
They're a favor for somebody old and with thicc vitae, but doesn't already have priests and still has to take a direct hand instead of layering in obscurity for defense. I presume them for spawn of elders recently from torpor and scrambling to catch up with their peers who have grandchilder.

>>96494735
Silverfangs and Red Talons are fun too.

>>96495697
A neonate of potent generation will inspire bitterness in most vampires of superior age but inferior generation. Fortunately they're both from clans that tend to circle the wagons so they have minimal in-clan threats to worry about.

However expect resentment from other Cam vamps and if the Sabbat hear about 8th gen neonates they'll have entire packs trying to eat them.

>>96495939
My entire plot revolves around them searching for a prince that was tight with their sires and went missing after a Sabbat attack on the neighbouring city

>>96495980
Well you have a good reason for the Sabbat to always be hot on their tails

and to fight sub-optimally because they don't want them to final death before they can diablerize them.

>>96494797
It's notoriously unreliable in a way that is regularly used against the Garou. It's better to not Sense Wyrm at all than rely on it as a fool-proof "Detect Evil" equivalent.

>>96494943
No it isn't, because the Abrahamic God has a very specific manifestation and "collective will of humanity" is not how this God introduces Himself, in conspicuously specific capitalization of pronouns.

>watch one (01) video on the gangrel mariners
>youtube keeps recommending videos on oceangate's titan

>>96496686
It just makes sense.

>>96496249
I think the key here is that hunters never trigger this in any situation, they are not connected to the wyrm in any obvious way. If anything the opposite and regularly join the battle against its servants, nephandi, vampires, etc.

>>96496868
>hunters never trigger this in any situation
Hunter attracts Banes that feed on the hunter's vices.
Hunter imbibes tainted food and/or pharmaceuticals.
Hunter accumulates residual taint by living in a tainted location.
Hunter is tagged with taint by a First Team to serve as woof bait.
Hunter causes enough death and destruction to count as tainted on their own.
There's just a few examples of how hunters could ping as tainted according to Sense Wyrm.

>>96496938
As stated above, they don't smell of the wyrm. That is confirmed by official lore. If hunters were tainted by virtue of being hunters then it would not be clear but it is. They could trigger it randomly from eating tainted food but never more than an ordinary human would. That makes them a mystery to the garou

>>96496868
I think you are missing the point. It is not a matter of if it makes logical sense to kill the Imbued. It is a matter of if the Garou see a reason not to murder them just because.
If they killed most of the other Fera and alienated every last supernatural they came into contact with on top of baseline humanity, why would the Imbued be the exception on any meaningful scale?

>>96496985
I think there's some sort of communication issue here. If you're trying to say that the hunter condition doesn't inherently cause Wyrm taint, then that's correct. However, hunters can absolutely become tainted in all of the ways that anyone else (including werewolves) can become tainted.

>>96497006
To be fair, I think the Imbued have one of those "no I don't" powers against possesion.

>>96497035
Correct. The highest power level Redemption Edge Suspend can even cut off other worlds entirely, banishing banes or preventing people from summoning demons or whatever

Give me supernatural FROG ideas

>>96497075
It's a frog that hops through lies and truth

>>96497075
Oh, so it is not supposed to be accessible for PCs, got it.
>>96497075
Lets see...
>Transmuted frogs still retain some random useful feature from the original object they were created from.
>Frogs that give you psychic powers when you lick them
>Dart frogs that accumulate magical substances.

>>96497035
It's a bit open to interpretation but that is how I see it. The way you become imbued is you hear a messenger whispering a truth about the supernatural into your ear, something like "she is not breathing, notice the unnatural hue of her skin, the man following her has no will." Those who hesitate or recoil do not become imbued, they failed, but those that accept it gain Conviction and can never stop being hunters.

>>96495939

I have a legit question about this. Anyone actually played a thin blood or low generation vampires without going murder hobo and drinking someone's soul for power?

I tried it briefly but I legit wonder if it's possible to become a tier vampire if you're only like generation 12 or you're really insane generation 14.

Do vampires lose their souls? I’m not understanding this. If you’re a mage your avatar shatters but your avatar isn’t your soul right?

>>96497075
There are werefrogs known as Anurana WTA. But they're a Wyrmish mockery breed that was made by Pentex. So they spirits don't like them and they're generally highly mutated.

>>96496938
>List of things the hunter game itself disagrees with
HtR is very clear that hunters don't get hit with supernatural influence Period. As long as a hunter has at least 1 conviction point, wyrm taint should find no place in them(unless they're an extremist hunter that falls, then shove all the wyrm taint up their ass)

>>96497135
I played a 12th gen surrounded by 9th gens once. The beginning to that chronicle was very informal and I made the character very last minute, resulting in her being slightly younger than the others and I misunderstood and thought it was fixed gen 12th not starting generation 12th.

However she quickly asserted herself as the informal leader of our nascent coterie because it was a Camarilla game, she was a Ventrue, and the others weren't exactly social powerhouses. She was very focused on attributes and I started playing discipline catch-up in the midgame. Never felt like a liability and fairly regularly out-talked and out-witted older and more potent vampires. That being said, it wasn't as if I didn't feel the downsides of 12th generation. I very regularly was surprised at how much blood the other PCs could burn through without much consequence, and never bothered to even try Dominate on other vampires. Still, she clawed her way to being the unofficial right hand of the Prince, and a top agent of the Strategos of the East Coast. I found that not being able to rely on brute force blood or dominate really improves your planning skills.

full disclaimer though, we played this on a VtM in VtR conversion, so mechanically there are some differences that factor in. I still had a smaller blood pool and blood per turn than everyone else. YMMV in V20 or V5.

>>96497156
>Do vampires lose their souls?
No.
Diablerie doesn't work if the other party doesn't eat your soul(unless the writers decide to break the rules for one of their self-insert npcs). There's even an inconu ritual to talk to the souls a vampire has eaten.
>If you’re a mage your avatar shatters
No, it passes on to the next host. It's Really hard to destroy an avatar completely.
A hundred year old tremere could meet a mage that currently hosts his former avatar, a really awkward situation to say the least.
>your avatar isn’t your soul right?
Highly debated topic, but avatars are either one piece of your soul or an entirely foreign alien creature that lives symbiotically with humanity.

>>96493735
Thanks, and I have say the power of "legends" can have a large scope, I even have it shown a bit with the sub groups I came up that I call Families(in the taxonomy sense)
Here's them:

Tsukumogami -Legends in relation to objects, with the most prominentbeing objects simply co I to life as the namesake. Cursed items, strange heirlooms, blessed weapons, moving mannequins, even technically tree if a particular one has a story to it.

Lusii - Cryptids in the traditional western sense. Monsters that are bestial, animal like: The jersey devils, kappas, Moth man, Midnight Wolves. Beasts.

Shadow - The almost humans. The uncanny Valley of the cryptids, those peopl that you see for a second and swear they're not human. Named after the Shadow Watchers and include tall men, the hat man, any legends of ghost that in truth aren't wraiths or any true spirits, and the legendary Boogey Man

Genus Loci - A close relative of the tsukumogami, these are Areas that have seemingly come alive or hold a story. False haunted house are usually subject to them, place that peope feel like it's alive an urban legend areas akin to the Bermuda triangle or that spot peope say causes technological objecs to mysteriously shut off, even the movie "Monster House" can fit it. Not much to them except for their unique ability to access "Backspace"

Luminous - These are a recent Genus of Legends based around extraterrestrial. The aliens people say they saw. The spaceships they swear exist. Ancient aliens that never were(Takes for the inspiration btw)

Omens - the length of events one can do. The Bloody Mary Games, chain letteres of bad luck, curses and supernatural games you can play. They are the strangest because they don't have physical forms, and yet are still some how sapient

Mushi - Little guys, tiny creatures. Little pygmies, inch high enities, mysterious bugs like the Sky rods or other stone butterflies. It even has the Yule Lads of Iceland among them. (Watch the Mushi anime)

>>96497190
Yes and IIRC their main thing is just shitting everywhere and weirdly enough they were written before Pepe took off in popularity and became associated with chuds

Why do I feel so uninspired when looking at Disciplines? I can't tell if I'm feeling underwhelmed or if I'm just lacking a certain creative perspective

>>96498009
Do please elaborate.

>>96497996
F-frogbros...

Kiasyd update! I really like the aspect of their lore that basically has them as opponents of the Changelings like how Setites are opponents of Mummies. I wish that dimension for them were elaborated and built on more.

>>96497075
I actually have this sketch from a while ago for an Anurana! The pacifier and teddy bear belong to it, since the idea is that it is basically a stunted and deranged mental infant, having been "raised" in a Pentex lab, of course.

>>96498135
>>96498142
Impressive stuff!

>>96497035
Taint isn't possession, it's taint. It's just a spiritual stain, like getting mud on your metaphysical boots.

Help me find an old greentext story anons, I thought I'd saved it but apparently not.

It's a storytime of a Vampire game where a player breaks into an apartment and nearly gets mauled to death by a housecat. It's hilarious.

>>96498135
My favorite part is how they are set up to be cartoonishly evil
>>96498142
Could I capture one

>>96498135
What's up with the tattoo?

>>96498142
>>96498135
Damn, drawanon out in full force. Lov3le the teddy and pacifier giving it a sense of personality.
>I really like the aspect of their lore that basically has them as opponents of the Changelings like how Setites are opponents of Mummie
Yeah it's nice how some clans exist to dab on specific splats.Tremere fight mages, Setites fight mummies Giovanni enslave wraiths, and though Kyasid are a minor bloodline I guess they do have that Changeling light flavour. Though I find it quaint how Setites as far as I know are the one clan getting away with messing with Woofs/changing breeds the most, particularly Bubasti/Silent Striders. I would've thought the Gangrel might have something but I think all other clans think that about them too and the official Gangrel policy is" don't fuck with them, just run"

>I wish that dimension for them were elaborated and built on more.
Yeah what DO Kyasid even do in lore besides being born from Marconius?

>>96498135
>>96499968
They converge over his eye, I think it's a charm for seeing glamors.

He's found one tonight, and wonders if he didn't also hear a stifled gasp while he fed.

>>96500019
>Yeah what DO Kyasid even do in lore besides being born from Marconius?
jackshit and then they meet every 50 years to talk about who did nothing worthwhile in the most fanciest way

>>96500019
>Though I find it quaint how Setites as far as I know are the one clan getting away with messing with Woofs/changing breeds the most

It's because they're the "egypt" clan and thus are the designated cross-splat antagonists in Egypt. Whereas in VtM they're often forgotten or killed as a second string antagonist because they're so much more limited than many other groups of vampires. Thus creating the tale of two Setites where they're simultaneously this big, horrifying scourge of egypt to everyone else but not that big of a deal to the rest of vampirekind. Which creates further confusion for players as the former does not bear out in their own play experiences.

Goddamn I do not care for oWoD cross-splat.

>>96499968
I hadn't thought of any reason for it really, it was just something I put there to make him look a little more fae-ish, but >>96500161 had a good idea! If I had to justify it, then it would probably have something to do with seeing glamour and other changeling stuff.
>>96500019
If I had my way, Kiasydwould be given some overarching "directive" like other Clans have. Something revolving around bringing about a further chilling and freezing Winter to the world. I also would probably make them constantly hunt for Changelings, and give Mytherceria the ability to either absorb glamour or to transmute it into a "banal glamour". I also probably would have tied the Kiasyd origin somehow in with the Dauntain.

>>96488870
>>96488870
The concept doesn't translate well to WoD as everything is it's own kind of sknowflake.
For vamps the closest thing is either brujah or caitiffs.
Also >>96488952