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>2024 DMG
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Previous thread
>>96459715

>TQ
CONSTANT VIGILIANCE?

Alright, Do you allow romance or no?

>>96485231
No

First time DMing, using Foundry.
Are maps such as this too cramped for 5 level 2 players?

>>96485231
Romance doesn't belong in D&D.

>>96485485
Cramped rooms are fine. Then your melee dudes can plant their fat asses in front of the backline.

>>96485231
Always, in fact I encourage it.

>>9648549
Faggot

Would creating a table for items that the thief could get when stealing mid-combat with fast hands so it would become a sort of bread and butter for combat be a horrible idea? Would be like a cool little slot machine mini game. Could add some detrimental ones like too.

>>96485177 (OP)
lmao always
>>96485231
lmao no
>>96485508
lmao retard

Oi, romance in the classical or modern sense?

>>96485231
You may seduce your fellow players at will.

>>96485599
That's gay as fuck

>>96485508
Leave the hobby you faggot fuck

i see the fucking OP is still owning you with satanic tarotic magic and no wonder why so many of you have trouble sleeping at night ! i tried a long time ago to put an end to this charade but the moderators put me out and OP brigaded my home address to keep my internet from working properly for months. well im back and im not going to let this one slide, not after what i know you did OP.

this is a satanic thread trying to impose itself in the dungeons and dragons universe, what OP is actually doing is performing a long ritual by manipulating you into posting in conformance with the expectations of his ritual by aligning your doomed souls to the satan ic traot, thujs ensuring he harvests your energy and life seed from you while youj are sepnt in captivity in the min d. do not feed OP do not engage with him

>>96485177 (OP)
How do I convince someone (myself) that the advantage / disadvantage mechanic isn't pure liquid shit?

>>96485637
It works better than having to add a load of modifiers that you aren't going to remember, while you hold up the entire table and interrupt the flow of the game just so you can make a roll that you're probably going to fail anyway. The ADV/DISADV streamlines it and allows the game to flow better. You're welcome to play by yourself with an Excel file if that's too much for you and you prefer wasting everyone's time with boring number crunching.

>>96485644
Ok, but are we seriously going to pretend adding 2 to a roll is some kind of insurmountable mathematical challenge? Surely you can just chill with the amount of bonuses overall, instead of throwing the whole probability curve out the window, no?

>>96485655
5e has those mechanics in place. ADV and DISADV just streamlines situational bonuses and modifiers. And it's not "adding 2 to a roll", situational modifiers are often compounded streams of numbers such as, +2, +1, -5, +3, +1 etc. Sure, the computation isn't exactly difficult but it's just bloat that slows the game down. Now imagine 4-5 players and a DM having to do that routinely and you can see how much slower you are dragging the game down.

>>96485666
But then if the game does use adds, then you haven't really gotten rid of them, and my point stands that what you want is less adds, instead of throwing the whole adds system out the window. Besides, you could still make Adv/Disadv just a flat +3-5 to rolls on top of everything else. The non-stacking rule would be the important bit. This way you would at least have some grasp of what is going on with your chances. I will concede that actual chances don't seem to matter that much to hoomans, so if you want to argue down that route, I can see that argument.

>>96485655
>Ok, but are we seriously going to pretend adding 2 to a roll is some kind of insurmountable mathematical challenge?
its not the difficulty
its the tedium of doing it every single time

>instead of throwing the whole probability curve out the window, no?
90% of people dont really care about probability curves
most people only really know "this makes things more likely" and "this makes things less likely"
adding a second dice adds more physicality to the roll and is more satisfying than adding a mental increase in number at the end

>>96485687
The additions in 5e are straightforward, tied to specific ability modifiers and the proficiency system. These are meant to be pre-added into a single number by the players. There's no reason to not do that ahead of time.
>it has to be black or white
I'm not interested in this level of "thinking". The modifiers exist, just not at a level that adds bloat and time wasting. Half the reason most people swapped to 5e when it first released was because of how much number bloat exists in 3.5 and Pathfinder. The ADV system just takes all of that and streamlines it into 2 rolls. It's a much better system and keeps the table moving.

>>96485690
>its the tedium of doing it every single time
Just on this topic alone, for bonuses that come up every time you just record them. I do agree that 3.5 had way too many modifiers in combat, but that's mostly due to a bunch of granular rules each with their different modifiers.

>>96485695
>it has to be black or white
Stacking bonuses gives you more granularity over power growth than advantages do. I do see the appeal of the system at face value, I just worry it waters down the game, especially when it comes to power differentiation, etc.

I'll give it a try and see how it feels. Thanks guys.

Marking issue as solved, thread can be closed.

>>96485617
Put down the hooch

>>96485637
>>96485655
It's an imperfect solution, but it's not dogshit. It keeps things simple. And if you really hate it, go play Pathfinder 2 for a while and see how you like that game.

>>96485582
In the linguistic sense. Players are expected to speak in Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian, or Romanian.

>>96485485
Nah, it's perfect. Just make sure that the party is outnumbered twenty-to-one so they have to survive by exploiting chokepoints and rotating injured.

loli hags

>Can't even buy PDFs of the books
>"digital copies" of the books are just some unlockable on their D&D beyond dogshit platform
>30$
>It is still the most popular RPG out there
I feel the urge to rip and tear.

>>96486526
just buy the books and 'scan' them if you care.

>>96486526
>Trying to buy anything from Wizards of the Coast
Might I suggest an alternative?

>>96486547
The whole point is that I want to read the book now to see if I like the system before buying the rest of the books. I wouldn't even mind the 30$, but I'm not buying something I don't own in some dogshit platform.

>>96486552
Yes, you may.

>>96486565
look at the OP then? its got the things that you want.

>>96486333
The plan was (taken directly from Lost Mine of Phandelver, without modification):
>3 Redband Ruffians (CR 1/2) in room 2, likely to surprise the players
>3 Skeletons (CR 1/4) in room 4
>2 Redband Ruffians in room 5
>1 Nothic (CR 2) in room 8, doesn't want to fight
>3 Bugbears (CR 1) in room 9
>4 Redband Ruffians in room 10, drunk, the players likely to surprise the mobs
>1 Evil Mage (CR 1) w/ Staff of Defense in room 12, will either be surprised or try to avoid the players
With a pitfall trap in room 3 and one of the bridges in room 8 rigged to drop.

Seems pretty hard.

>>96486585
For a five-man team? That's a paltry three-to-one, good odds for any Greek.

>>96485485
playing the whole game on a grid is video game shit
bring a grid for big setpieces not walking through a hallway

>>96485231
Yes but not degenerated.
Something cute and vanilla, maybe with a bit of conflict but no debauchery like promiscuity or sexual sin.

>>96485617
tarot isn't satanic per se, but it bothers me that they do not use actual D&D pictures, ilustrations or fanart to make the new thread.

at least is not ai goyslop

Reminder that two weapon fighting style allows you to add your ability modifier to the damage of your bonus action attack, nick attack, and bonus action attack of the dual wielder feat

>When you make an extra attack as a result of using a weapon that has the Light property,

>>96486526
>>96486565
your local game shop or chain bookstore probably has a physical copy you can fingerfuck, otherwise just grab a free pdf like everyone else here

>>96486922
At least the threads stand out. So many threads already use bog standard fantasy art for their OPs, which would cause the thread to just get lost in the sea of bait threads.

>>96486922
then you'd have people arguing over what pictures

>OMG IS THAT FREAKSHIT IN THE OP??!?!?!

just be grateful an anon cares enough to make the thread on a consistent basis, that's all you can hope for from this site in the current year

>>96486902
This is Lost Mine of Phandelver.
The Redband Hideout is the big set piece of part 2 of the campaign, and it is the only event in part 2 that uses a grid.

What even compelled you to make that comment?

>>96485231
Absolutely yes! We have Session 0s for a reason and a part of that is discussing what the group's okay with collectively and as individuals. I've had players say
>"I'm not interested in having my character involved in any romantic material- but I have no issue with the others doing that."
or
>"Yes, my character might look around for someone."
and sometimes
>"My PCs already romantically involved with someone- they even have a kid AND a dog."
From experience, I've found that unsurprisingly, when you've got PCs who start romances with NPCs or other PCs the player starts to care more about that NPC/PC and works to help them more or do stuff for them. It makes the character feel more grounded to the world and in many cases I've seen players change the way their character behaves as they pick up mannerisms or ideals from their partners or they start making changes to their level up choices.
For example: My first campaign had a Rogue PC fall for an Artificer NPC- as they started up a romance and time went on, both of them multiclassed into Artificer or Rogue respectfully to symbolize both of them teaching one another their respective talents.


TLDR: Yes, it keeps player invested in their character and gives DMs opportunities to introduce conflicts/quests that are more character driven and personal

>>96487293
and? dont use a grid for exploring a whole ass dungeon. The map is there for your general reference, not for the players to move their token over like you're playing a video game. That stuff is only good for large combat setpieces in complex terrain with dangers/hazards etc, and even then. It's not for walking around looking for traps and talking to npcs.
You think because you're on vtt you have to setup video game shit. You dont need any of that. I don't think you realize the pointlessness of combat in a literal whiteroom of 3x4 tiles. There is no choice to be made, no positioning, no interaction.

>>96487394
>the pointlessness of combat in a literal whiteroom of 3x4 tiles.
what if they choose to move a whole 4 tiles back so they can use a door as a chokepoint?

>>96485177 (OP)
Virginity status of your current PC, /5eg/?

Are there any rules/guidelines for giving out information? I know the study action exists personally, I think it is stupid that it requires a whole action to "think" and know if you know something but regardless useful information on this statblock for example

>resistance and immunities
Upon knowing it's an undead, most knowledgeable players will assume it has these immunities, but other creatures are not as common so it'd be helpful to give this kind of info out, but on what DC? 10? 15?

>traits
>special attacks
>spell casting

All useful information that might alter how to approach a fight. Should it be info given out? On what DC? I don't think it should be all given out, but should they have a choice?

>DC 10 for creature type
>DC 15 the previous, plus resistance and immunities
>DC 20 the previous, plus a player can choose one to know a trait, special attack, or if it has spellcasting

Are there better ruels to steal out of 3.5 or pf1e?

What are some cool mind-controlled minions an evil Enchanter could have? What I have so far is a Rogue/Bard optimized for skills, a silly Paladin built around the Dragon Hide feat, and a Fighter who is good at grappling.

Hey, /5eg/. Pathfinder2e player here. Want to ask a question here: what's with the weirdly low attachment rate of 5e2024?
I tend to see many LFGs make expressed points of playing only the 2014 version, maybe a "mix" of the mechanics (despite the fact 90% of the changes are just flat out improvements to many classes and mechanics so you really aren't mixing anything). And it just reads very off to me. Even knowing the potential reasons like needing to buy (lol, lmao) all the new books again or their distaste in WotC's practices, nothing about 5e24 itself seems like it would create this genuine split. Having seen how easy the PF2e Remaster project went, to the point people are asking for more of the older books to be remastered ASAP, I can't imagine Wizards truly dropped the ball THAT HARD in marketing the deal. So what gives? What are your personal reasons to not diving on in.

>>96487695
WotC failed to really convince people of both:
- It being cross-compatible (though it is)
- The changes being for the better (though they are)

5etards in particular hate learning rules, that's why they're trapped in 5e and also take 5 minutes every turn.

>>96487695
The persistent downwards trend in quality of WotC's releases.

>>96487695
2 steps back for each step forward
also everyone has been playing for 10 years with their custom homebrew on top of 5e because unlike PF 5e was never a system that worked as a whole

>>96487695
>So what gives? What are your personal reasons to not diving on in.
ive swapped
some people are afraid of giving a toy company money

>just asking questions btw

What's the coolest non-attunement magic weapon and why is it the Mace of Smiting?

>>96487855
Giant Slayer. Laying big enemies out with a blow is cool.

>>96487855
Javelin of Lightning is really cool, the Lash of Immolation is cute, the Lute of Thunderous Thumping is fun (Make it into a Guitar)...
While its not 'cool' mechanically- the Vicious Weapons are really strong and can be flavored into something cool. Like they seek blood or something.

>>96487695
The art in the new books is less inspiring!

>>96487578
>What are some cool mind-controlled minions an evil Enchanter could have?

Literally anything. They are mind controlled.

Which minions/hazards could one add to make the lair of a blue dragon wyrmling a worthwhile fight for a party of 6th level characters? I'm thinking multiple shambling mounds.

>>96465669
>>96465669
>>96465669
You guys here about the game splitting into a Basic and Advanced again?

The new starter set, the one with all the card thingies, doesn't actually use '24 rules. It has its own rules.

>>96487532
>Are there better ruels to steal out of 3.5 or pf1e?
People laugh about "bear lore" but 4e had some decent rules and stat block blurbs about what knowledge checks told you. Bear lore isn't actually all that ridiculous, not every race is native to places with bears. It only seems silly because you, the player, have a large circumstance bonus to know about them because you live on the surface in the information age. The fuck does a githyanki or a thri-kreen or sahuagin know about bears?

Highly specific build question: what's the half-feat with +1 to DEX that you would recommend for an Aarakocra Rogue 8/Monk 5?
Taking a half-feat for 18 DEX at Rogue 4, maxing out DEX at Rogue 8, taking Mobile at Monk 4.

>>96488336
>4e bear lore is actually something that makes sense -> DC 20: Dire bears typically maul prey with their claws or
crush them to death with their thick, bestial arms. Nature DC 15: Creatures caught in a crocodile’s
tooth-lined mouth are savaged until they manage to tear themselves loose or are killed.

not entirely sure why we need to do a dc20 check to figure out that a bear will use its claws or a croc will use its mouth to bite.

>links to a bait post btw

>>96487695
I'll bite, Ayoub.

There WERE certainly some improvements, but unlike PF unchained or PF2 remaster, there were a lot of changes that were objectively for the worse. And a lot of their worst foibles were just laughably repeating the mistakes of 4e.
>the whole OGL thing still scaring away all 3rd party support and adventure writing (GSL rerun, still not actually fixed because the new OGL is still worded sus in ways)
>unnecessarily redesigning abilities purely for the sake of making them easier to code in the now-cancelled Sigil 3D (gleemax VTT rerun in every concievable way except the murder-suicide)
>unifying mechanics across classes that don't make conceptual sense to unify, only ease of balance sense (e.g. subclasses always at 3rd, what do you mean a cleric doesn't know the god they serve until 3 levels in. An AEDU rerun in a way)
>redesigning features to nerf them that were not actually overly strong, just centralizing because other options underperformed, or nerfing the wrong issue of a problematic combo. (e.g. multi-smites, sharpshooter, wildshape)
>dev intended exploit-like mechanics that just feel outlandish or weird (attack of opportunity on allies warcaster buff casting, weapon juggling)
>removal of custom backgrounds, presumably due to tying backgrounds to significant mechanical strength, partially to take it away from race.
>removal of harmless flavor ribbon features
>still contains blatant trap options despite an insistence that they would all be fixed (savage attacker, find traps)
>new options or redesigns that feel INCREDIBLY pushed, either to prescribe a certain playstyle or to engender adoption of a controversial change (conjure minor elementals).
>pozzing of races that took them out of their core player fantasy. people who choose orc WANT to be angry intimidating smashy vikings. They don't want to be peaceful explorer nomadic twink mexicans what the actual fuck WotC. People who choose to be drow are edgelords, why take away their edginess?

Why is WOTC so afraid to give barbarian a Hulk Smash subclass?

>>96488584
>schizo posting tourist
fuck off btw

>>96488487
>not entirely sure why we need to do a dc20 check to figure out that a bear will use its claws or a croc will use its mouth to bite.
Again, you the poster have probably got a +10 bonus to this roll.

Imagine if you had never seen a bear in your life. Maybe had only ever heard the word a couple of times in passing from travelers from far off.

Without googling, tell me the deadliness threat level and primary attacking method of a slow loris. A cambodian would know easy, but do you?

>>96488654
>Without googling, tell me the deadliness threat level and primary attacking method of a slow loris. A cambodian would know easy, but do you?
wait, NTA but this sounds like a fun game.
Please describe it as you would to a PC

>>96488605
Feeling threatened by the truth? If you didn't want to hear everything wrong with your game you shouldn't have asked.

Maybe next time pay a focus group or put out a survey. They'll be a lot kinder to your tender fee-fees than 4chan.

>>96488671
>Hey, /5eg/. Pathfinder2e player here.
ESL?

>>96488683
naw, just a classic 5eggs retard

>>96488605
Every point made is valid. 5.5e has some seriously retarded issues. It has some improvements too but it did exactly what they didn’t want it to, split the fanbase. It will be like essentials was for 4e, a poor bandaid idea that ultimately flops hard.

>>96488716
But why did they make it in the first place?

>>96488716
>Every point made is valid
no they arent you fucking dipshit. its just pol tier rambling

>>96488603
Everyone fears the mouse.

>>96488603
you mean Giant? where you can pick up and throw motherfuckers around?

If you mean literally just destroying objects, all barbarians have that, the bonus damage you do applies to more than just creatures. That's one of the main differences between martial attacks and spells, they don't care what you're targeting so you can sunder objects and gear too. Being able to target objects is one of the things that makes firebolt good.

>>96488664
DC20: "Despite their unassuming appearance and mammalian nature, slow lorises have a strongly necrotizing toxic bite, created when saliva mixes with the secretions of a toxic gland in their armpit. It is strongly advisable to wear protective gloves when handling them, and to not eat their meat unless it's been very delicately prepared to avoid rupturing the gland."

>>96488724
They made it to screw over roll20. They were trying to buy them out and used a new edition as a bargaining chip. With a new edition roll20 were going to lose all their rights and WoTC were bringing in their garbage ogl. Fortunately their OGL plan backfired enormously and fell apart. But they’d already committed to making it and were still planning the sigil engine (which I imagine was outshone in every way be BG3). Their vtt failed too. Their efforts to corner the vtt market crashed and failed hard, what we’re left with is a bizarre half edition that is too afraid to become its own edition and as a result doesn’t justify its own existence.

>>96488683
>"You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies? - Buster Baxter".png
>"On the internet nobody knows you're a dog".jpg
>where_do_you_think_we_are.bmp

Who's the tourist here?

>>96488790
(you)

>>96488760
I wanted to read the sensorial description and try to guess without a roll the CR and main attack.

>>96488782
>They made it to screw over roll20.
And every other TTRPG brand that was using 5e or 3.5 or otherwise invoking the OGL as a base. I.e. damn near all of the OSR space (though not NSR), dungeon world, paizo, green ronin, kobold press, basically everyone that joined ORC.

They wanted a full market monopoly, VTT and D20 Game System(s). And adventures, because if you planned to sell any amateur works commercially, much less corporate level, you'd have had to put it on their DMs Guild or else submit to being vassalized by WotC, oversight and taxes owed.

>>96488891
"From a tree branch, grasping it with tiny pink almost frog-like hands and hand-feet, you see a bread-loaf sized creature that looks like a weasel and a lemur threesomed a fleece teddy bear. At the center of two dark rings, it stares at you with beady forward-facing black eyes that betray a mixture of predated fear and primitive curious wonder at these colorful giants in front of it."

>Human
>Male
>Fighter
Okay, what's the personality, though?

>>96489168
That's the beauty of the male human fighter, anything and everything works. It's truly a blank canvas.

>Half-Elf, Drow (SCAG variant)
>Male
>Hexblade Warlock
Okay, what's the personality, though?

>>96489168
Honorable but not to the point of stupidity.
Practical but not to the point of psychopathy.
Gruff but friendly.
Would rather die than break an oath voluntarily given.

>>96489164
who cares about the ogl / orc when 5e/5.5e are both in the creative commons?

>>96489219
>who cares about the ogl / orc when 5e/5.5e are both in the creative commons?
OGL forbids its usage with any other licensing agreement, so you cannot use OGL material (e.g. any 3pp) in combination with CC material.

>>96489214
Why hasn't there been a knight subclass for Fighter?

>>96489255
>There is, it sucks.

>>96489255
Cavalier.

>>96489230
wait, are you suggesting that there's a company using kobold press (as an example) + their own materials and pushing it to market?

>>96489168
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-K6JM-bjWg&t=6734s

>>96489273
Anybody making any PF1e/2e stuff (pre-OGL fiasco) was doing that, off the top of my head. Same with various other OGL-derived retroclones. Not "copying their materials," generally, any more than somebody making a new Warlock pact is copying 5e, but if anybody ever made a 3pp subclass of a 3pp class, that's OGL.

I want to be a bladesinger who actually stays in melee range. But the thing is that wizard has d6 hitdice and typically has low AC as well. What do?

>>96489346
Abjurer.

>>96489346
Tough Origin and False Life

>>96489273
From a legal standpoint it's possible.

Though Pathfinder or Free League 5e LotR would be a lot more likely to be getting 4th party content than kobold press imho. Especially pathfinder, i'm pretty sure i've seen examples.

>>96489346
Eldritch Knight literally exists for this purpose.

>>96489255
3.5 had the Knight Class which was like a Paladin that focused nearly on defense and calling dudes to 1v everyone them.

Their kit (and that of Dwarven Defender if you're never going to bring that forward.) should have served as the basis of a shield base fighting style and yet, here we are.

>>96487695
Thanks for the responses. I genuinely meant no harm or punching down, I am genuinely curious or baffled by the community's disinterest. If anything, it kind of frustrating to see the 5e2014/2024 split thanks to how pointless it is. Paizo ain't great at marketing themselves or making strong changes, so it really does confuse me how they managed to make the 2e Remaster Project pretty much a slam dunk while Wizards fucked up, despite it being a way larger company.

>>96487782
>>96488584
>>96488716
As much as I want to believe the changes are bad and that's a big reason no one wants to live with them... I feel like most are at least on an acceptable level, or not enough to say it would be a mistake to move on them. Even the comparison to 4e Essentials doesn't make much sense to be, given how Essentials stuff is incompatible with 4e's original meta and design: it wasn't made to build up on it. It's not like every change they did was a complete middle-finger like what they did to Ranger.
Also some of the /pol/lack stuff, I can't imagine the average 5e player caring. Border-Hopper Orcs are as funny as aggravating, but I can't imagine being so into 5e 10 years down the line and not learn how either accept or ignore the virtue signallnig.

>>96487751
I CAN believe the poor marketing issue, if hard to believe they haven't realized it a year later. It WAS a very confusing deal ("so is THIS OneD&D?") and even PF2e still having people asking "So what is the difference with Remastered content?". Still, given how people are HOSTILE towards the change compared to confused, I can't imagine it really was THAT BAD a market move.
The new Starter Set and that controversy >>96488336, bait thread aside, does make it feel like they have no clue how to market the game anymore, though...

>>96489219
I would like to remind newfags that at the time ORC was created, 5e was not in CC. CC was in response to the ORC forming, in short the rest of the industry saying "collectively, we out-lawyer you, the whole reason the OGL exists in the first place is because your forebears knew it was a largely unwinnable case to argue copyright theft of game rules, and we can and will just make our own d20 license agreement with blackjack and hookers and then you'll have nothing."

But yes, the ORC in its current form is largely redundant, EXCEPT when it comes to things based on 3.5, which was not released to CC. Which is to say, a significant majority of WotC's competitors. I can't think of any systems other than black flag and shadowdark that use *5e* as a base, and they're both actually different licenses because they were published AFTER the OGL situation. Pugmire 1st edition I guess?
It's mostly just settings for use with 5e, like Humblewood or whatever that benefitted from the CC move. But it was great optics to the fanbase.
And everyone that WAS still affected because they used 3.5 just rewrote and rereleased under their own or a conglomerate one like ORC, e.g. M&M4, PF2 Remaster, etc.

In fact, you can kind of tell which companies were bullied into signing the new agreement, for instance, Goodman Games hasn't had any new material or even licensed fanmade creations added to their shop in over 2 years. Why did DCC disappear off the map? Almost certainly they got scared by the mass threat letter and signed.

>>96489563
>Also some of the /pol/lack stuff, I can't imagine the average 5e player caring. Border-Hopper Orcs are as funny as aggravating
But does it hype you to play an orc? It's not about them getting politically butthurt, of course normies don't care about that, it's about taking the wind out of their fun sails. They've committed the only sin in entertainment worse than being politically offensive, a truly unforgivable transgression, they've made it boring.

>>96489563
I have heavily considered just gestalt merging the two CC releases into one document, that either reverts or correctly refixes all of the especially dumbass 5e24 changes.

Legally, there's nothing they can do to stop me.

The only problem is without a selection of feats and subclasses it's pretty OSR tier basic.

>>96489575
>ORC was created, 5e was not in CC. CC was in response to the ORC forming
this is a lie btw. 5e was put into the SRD in 2023 Jan, while the ORC was published in 2023 June. ORC was a response to the OGL fuckery in 2022 december but wotc was much faster in their response to their own fuck up and put 5e into the SRD prior to the more limited ORC release

>>96489607
imagine being so unimaginative you have to rely on wotc to get you hyped up to play a character, what a sad life you have

>>96489575
>Goodman Games
wikipedia indicates otherwise, but maybe its because their website is shit that you cant find stuff

>be DM
>running game for a group of 4
>druid, cleric (Silvanus), monk, rogue
>two tree lovers and two dexfags
>no one to tank or do Athletics checks
>only rogue has charisma so we can't even theatre kid right
>combats don't last since I'm against 4 glasscannons
>cleric spent his free feat getting 3 INT skills to try and close the gap
I wasn't gonna tell them "no fuck you, you need a barb and a mage or you won't play" but hell if I don't hate one-dimensional parties

>>96489863
>combats don't last since I'm against 4 glasscannons
Found the problem. Kill a character and see if they're smart enough to fill the gaps.

>Human
>Male
>Fighter
Okay, I understand, but can you bastards stop spamming this shit? I'm NEVER going to play Human Fighter, I'm ALWAYS going to play as a barbarian orc, I don't give a shit.

>>96488336
>Bear lore isn't actually all that ridiculous, not every race is native to places with bears.
It's even less ridiculous than that, because the checks are largely about Cave Bears and Dire Bears, both being monstrous versions.

The DC 15 check lets you know that Cave Bears have Darkvision, and the DC 20 check tells you about how Dire Bears have a grab attack that deals automatic damage on subsequent turns. Something the Cave Bear notably lacks.

>>96488487
Similar case for the crocs really. Guessing that a croc will bite you with its big mouth is one thing. Knowing that the jaws are designed to trap you and keep you there rather than just ripping off a chunk of flesh is more detailed knowledge.
And even in the example you pointed to, it's a DC 15 check to know that about crocs. That's a 25% chance for a random commoner to have that info, which certainly isn't bad.

And ultimately I'd rather the designers at least try to put DCs to various aspects of monster knowledge near the statblock, rather than the DM just having to make it up on the fly.

>>96489891
>at least try to put DCs to various aspects of monster knowledge near the statblock
...like they did in 4E?

>>96489863
>be a dm
>dont adapt the quests and encounter to the party
this is dming 101. If a PC takes speak with animals, there are gonna be animals around that witnessed the murder or something. If the party is full of face types, the quests should be a about diplomacy. Expand your horizon beyond combat

>>96489887
Sounds boring and like you have issues with your dad.

>>96485231
Romance? No.
Court intrigue leading to banging princesses for favors? Yes. Fights over dwarven twin sisters? Yes.
But never any graph paper girlfriends or sheeeeit.

>>96489346
Bladesinger, while under Bladesong usually is around AC 17-23 before the shield spell. AC is only a problem before your first turn. HP wise, get the Tough feat. That extra 2 HP per level puts you at a max hp of a d10 class like a Ranger or Fighter.
For a 2024 Wizard, you could play a Human Wizard Bladesinger with the Tough Origin feat and the Magic Initiate (Cleric) feat so you’d have access to Cure Wounds or Healing Word with INT to heal yourself or others when needed. Also False Life can give you some extra Temporary Hir Points.

>>96490824
>Human Wizard Bladesinger
you mean elf - right?

I can't decide whether to go full damage mode with my Vengeance Paladin and take Two-Weapon Fighting or take Dueling for a more defensive style with my shield and longsword.
damn

>>96490841
You can play an Elf Bladesinger- you just won’t be able to get both Tough and Magic Initiate (Cleric)/Alert at level 1. I doubt most would want to sacrifice an ASI for one either. Now that I think about it a Dwarf Bladesinger with Tough would have an extra 3-50 hit points which leads to a heartier Bladesinger!
Not to say an Elf gets nothing good! They get shorter Long Rest so you can do some crafting and they get some okay spells like Misty Step from the High Elf. It’s just less good cause the Wizard already has that- but you do save up a preparation slot! And you got a one a day free casting!

>>96490920
>Dwarf Bladesinger
a dwarf in the role of a knife ear?

>>96490849
I just did some calculations, and it seems that while Two-Weapon Fighting does more damage, it's not substantial, especially at lower levels. I think I'll stick with my shield, longsword, and Duelist Feat combo.
although now I'm not very sure of my general feat

>>96490936
Sure nothing stops them from doing it! If you’re using the 2024 UA version Bladesinger you can get Athletics Proficiency and use a Warhammer with INT! Run into melee, block and parry stuff with your hammer and smash some heads! Oh and have tremor sense while your at it too!

>>96490941
>>96490849
This is for 2014 edition but I don't know how relevant is still
https://mysticbasilisk.blogspot.com/2020/04/d-5e-which-fighting-style-is-best.html

How can I fix my boredom with running 5e? After 4 years everything is feeling samey. Combats, enemies, subclasses, feats, everything. 24e isn't all that different either, it feels like amateur homebrew.

>>96491017
what level is your group and how long have they been at that level?

>>96491030
They just got to level 8 last session, this is the 5th campaign I've run.

>>96489563
The only reason the 2e remaster is a "slam dunk" is because PF2 players are cuckslaves to Paizo. People who make a game their identity aren't going to criticize a company even when it's obvious you guys are getting fleeced, even if they're using the OGL drama as an excuse.

>>96491038
what level do they usual get to?

>>96491052
>15th
>12th
>8th
>10th
About the level each campaign ended at. I only end the campaign when it feels right to, not when the group reaches X level.

>>96491067
im just wondering not if youre stopping early or whatever, but if its just because you're experiencing the same scenarios / combats and not really seeing more stuff to play with.

what types of adventures are you running?

>>96487433
>Dragonborn sorc
Recently lost in a downtime/side chapter to old crush she last met years ago
>half-elf rogue
Probably intact, haven't decided if she was raped as a child but her sister was and they were both physically abused
>fairy druid/artificer
Exaggerates his body count but it's in double digits over 60-plus years

Is Warding Bond as OP in tabletop as it is in my video toy? Does your Cleric/Paladin use it or why not?

>>96491077
15th level campaign was the first campaign I ran, LMoP that continued after the official stuff ended. The wizard Icestaff got away so they went after him, did a little stuff in the Icewind Dales, then transitioned to the Underdark to kill The Black Spider's remaining gang.
12th was Curse of Strahd.
8th was magic school hogwarts bullshit.
10th was a jungly hexcrawl inspired by the Tomb of Annihilation book.

>>96489563
> It's not like every change they did was a complete middle-finger like what they did to Ranger.
He doesn’t know

>>96491122
3/4 are pretty combat heavy, maybe you need a more story shitter adventure where the players take more narrative control and have them tell the story while you adapt the world

>>96485177 (OP)
>Party is fighting 3 Werewolves
>Our Cleric got bit and turned instantly, becoming another werewolf we have to fight
>Get clawed and bit at by the Cleric but rolled high enough constitution to not turn
>Want to use Giant Insect on my 3 spiders to create some distance between me and the werewolves but the DM says they're just gonna turn into werewolves if they get bit
>No homebrew stats for the Spider-werewolves or anything, just basic Werewolf stats if it comes down to it

Looking back on it that was just a way for the DM to avoid dealing with 3 additional creatures
Luckily our party didn't snowball into a bunch of us turning into werewolves and it was only our Cleric that had a run of bad luck

>>96491040
Probably, but given the sheer size of Wizards and D&D as a brand, they have to do something HORRIFIC to their own playerbase to lose nearly all their own cuckslaves. Sending the Pinkertons to all their homes-level. You can't really say 5e doesn't have its fanatics, especially with people still playing the 2014 edition instead of just not playing D&D. So again, what gives?

>>96491156
I would like to know, that's why I asked.

>>96491442
They absolutely do even though the new product is imo somewhat inferior. I'm just seething at PF2 fans because I've read one too many PF2 shill posts lately.

Going into a low-level adventure where my plot hook (we each got a different one) is that there is a fruit with powerful healing properties somewhere underground in the ruins of a castle that was swallowed by the earth.

I kind of want to play a character with a physical disability. Any ideas?

>>96491485
tactical wheelchar

>>96489891
>25% chance for a random commoner to have that info
30%. There are 6 rolls out of 20 that result in a success at +0.

>>96491485
if serious, isn't there a zatoichi style blind swordman with blind sight?
if that was a joke, headless.

>>96491442
ive just done a quick initial look on websites for finding groups / tables for online play and there's more groups looking for 2024 (+2014 because the content is compatible) than there are for explicitly just 2014 content. its like 60-70% of tables are using the new stuff it seems.

ive not done a complete survey of it, but its probably just a lot of complainers who've made a fuss about not wanting to switch. there's a lot of people who sit around in the 5e community space and just hate 5e, and despite wanting to and playing other games, they just sit around the 5e spaces because thats where all the cool kids are

>>96491592
I'm serious, but all my ideas don't come online until 3rd level at the earliest.

>>96488584
>what do you mean a cleric doesn't know the god they serve until 3 levels in
The warlock bitching has some merit because they at least propose your patron being unknown until level 3 in the flavour, but how do you get this?

>>96491442
We did a survey on here not too long ago. It was a pretty even split between 5e and 5.5e. I think the main reasons 5.5e is underperforming and not seen a big uptake are as follows
>Finishing/continuing a long standing campaign
>Don’t want or need to buy a new book. The improvements barely justify the cost. Even pirated you have to learn the differences in the new rules.
>Don’t want to learn new rules
>Many people already have their own 5.5e with excessive amounts of houserules. WoTC encouraged this through their lazy design
>Don’t like specific changes. For example the subclasses being at level 3 for everyone. For example a warlock with no specific patron, sorcerer not knowing his ancestry etc. They also nerfed martials even more as many monsters no longer have the loophole where magic weapons bypass many resistances. Ranger was nerfed???

It just doesn’t seem like it was an edition made with the intention of making significant improvements or changes. And the 5e community were already making many house rules and have a plethora of third party content to use. People are taking up 5.5e but slowly and not everyone will swap over.

>>96491602
you don't get a proper response from a deity until then

>>96491608
third party content was also much clearer about what they changed and how, but you have to study 2024 to find what changed. There is no clear patch notes to see what got changed and what was kept.

>>96491626
>There is no clear patch notes
you mean the release videos which explained changes or their website which has it as well?

>>96489214
>Honorable but not to the point of stupidity.
>Would rather die than break an oath

Pardon?

Should female clerics be pretty?

>>96491637
I said clear. I want a list in order of what main mechanics were changed. Not a video, not a html5 thingie, I want a couple A4 pages that tell me what I need to keep track of.

>>96491649
i got u senpai

https://rpgbot.net/dnd-2024-5e-transition-guide-and-change-log-everything-thats-different-in-the-new-players-handbook/

>>96491017
5e is deep as a puddle mechanically. It's only good for bringing new players/coworkers/friends in easily. The fun is in DnD, not 5e. To have the minimum of 5e in your game, have the minimum combat.

>>96491656
oh, I though it was gonna waste space tying to be funny but it was better than expected.
I still feel that WotC should had included something like this instead of the un-intuitive things they did. If you want to funnel your audience you need to make it easy to grasp.

>>96491644
All young female characters should be pretty. Especially the sexy nuns.

>>96491678
>https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1810-updates-in-the-players-handbook-2024
if you want a wotc one

>>96491644
Unless they're old, yes.
>Not every acolyte or officiant at a temple or shrine is a cleric. Some priests are called to a simple life of temple service, carrying out their gods' will through prayer and sacrifice, not by magic and strength of arms. In some cities, priesthood amounts to a political office, viewed as a stepping stone to higher positions of authority and involving no communion with a god at all. True clerics are rare in most hierarchies.

If you're gonna be chosen and gifted by god, you should look the part.

>>96488336
Yea. I know the old monster manual and a cool tidbit
>Gaze of Stone. Basilisks are ponderous for hunting creatures, but they needn't chase prey. Meeting a basilisk's supernatural gaze can be enough to affect a rapid transformation, transforming a victim into porous stone. Basilisks, with their strong jaws, are able to consume the stone. The stone returns to organic form in the basilisk's gullet.
>Some alchemists are said to know how to process the basilisk's gullet and the fluids contained within. [Properly handled, the gullet produces an oil that can return petrified creatures to flesh and life.] Unfortunately for such a victim, any parts lost in stone form remain absent if the creature revives. Revivification using the oil is impossible if a vital part of the petrified creature, such as its head, is detached.


Which is good to know. If someone gets petrified, and you don't have a cure on hand, maybe someone with a decent survival skill can harvest the oil of a slain basilisk for a cure.

And as I said, there are rules for what to roll as a study action, but not what the roll would provide

>>96489939
I'll take a look at these. Thank you.

>>96488487
I think it's good to know that it doesn't have any other abilities, like magic resistance, like a crag cat.

>>96489891
>And ultimately I'd rather the designers at least try to put DCs to various aspects of monster knowledge near the statblock, rather than the DM just having to make it up on the fly.

Yea, this is exactly how I feel. As the DM it's nice to be able to remain consistent in how you deliver the game and having to memorize all the bullshit rules you produce off the top of your head is annoying.

>>96491596
>>96491608
Thanks for the info, guys. I personally think that the 30-40% of tables not using 2024 content is still really weird and kind of unhelpful, but I at least understand the reasons and apprehensions. Hopefully they sort something out. Even as a Paizodrone, I wouldn't want 5e24 to flop, at least not for insane levels of self-sabotage with 5e14's own dominance being in the way. I think that's honestly kind of a scary thought.

>>96491927
>I wouldn't want 5e24 to flop
Why? If it flops maybe they'll have to make something decent. I like 5e that's why I'm here but I love variety too. If more people try games other than 5e I'm all for it. I despise pathfinder though. The people who play it are too retarded to play something non d20, but too pretentious to just play 5e.

>>96491644
Yes, but not instagram pretty, which is what you posted.

>>96487695
>>96489563
>>96491442
>>96491927
The biggest factor really is that, over the ten years between 2014 and 2024, the playerbase had identified a lot of the issues and come up with a variety of fixes and homebrew material. A fixed and updated 5e was kind of already available, with multiple places to discuss which materials to use. And the best part was that it was modular and could be adjusted to suit your playgroup's preferred level of power and complexity.

When WotC announced a revision, there was a lot of expectation that we'd see something along the lines of what we'd been seeing amateurs come up with. Instead, we got mostly-pointless word shuffling, needless standardization that broke some class fantasies, a few spells being completely rewritten solely to overwrite their broken 2014 counterparts, and a half-assed weapon system that was clearly hurriedly copied from BG3. There were some good ideas in there, but the useful material per page ratio wasn't worth making the jump for groups that had already instituted more comprehensive and meaningful revisions. While some brewers, like our local Bullshit Anon, have implemented some of the 5.5 changes in their work, they're typically treated more like a list of possible changes than as a base edition to build on.

>>96492541
>a half-assed weapon system that was clearly hurriedly copied from BG3
The other parts I can agree with but the bg3 weapon system uses abilities with cooldowns while the 5.5e weapons have passive abilities. Bg3 weapons always give their powers while in 5.5e you need to go martial classes and get a set number of them. They’re fundamentally different so I have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about.

What are the odds for a revival Dark Sun?
What are the odds for it to be good?

>>96492745
Decent, given the recent UA
Incredibly low

Anyone ever kick a player for simply almost never rping? I don’t mean “funny voices” or whatever pretend tryhards think of when they hear RP. I just mean no matter which character this guy plays he always acts or thinks the exact same way. It’s never the character speaking or reasoning or making choices, it’s always really the player. I have to do extremely obvious targeted scenes or dreams or npc encounters directly tied to his character for him to remember he’s playing a character and then maybe for 5min he might remember and “switch” to the character’s attitude/motivations/behavior. It’s tiresome and stands out because my other players really bring interesting and fun (for me and other players) behaviors that make for great moments, and when they play something else one one shots or whatever you can see the difference. This guy is just dead weight and brings nothing in that aspect. He’s never original or clever or surprising.

Lads fought this yesterday, thought y'all might like it

>>96492834
>anyone ever kick a player for being a bad player?
Sure. It's usually some other version of being a bad player, like not paying attention, not showing up, etc., but anything that ticks them over from increasing everyone's fun into decreasing it is a no-brainer.

>>96492898
I guess my problem is he has no issues there. Always shows up, no drama. Just sucks at the “making it fun for others” part.

5th level fighting tournament one-shot, eight players, single elimination PvP, 2014 rules, you're allowed to take a short rest between rounds, but the entire tournament happens in the span of one day. What do you playé and why?

>>96492933
Right so just do a value analysis.
>Will kicking him lead to better games short term?
>How about long term?
>If not, will it be reasonably easy to fill his empty slot with someone that will make the game better short/long term?

>>96492953
Depends on the setting details. I'm not going into something like that caring overmuch about whether I win or lose.

>>96492953
Moon druid for obvious reasons

>>96492953
Depends on the ruling of woodland creatures, otherwise Aasimar Warlock.

>pre cast fly
>dash as soon as the fight starts to get 120ft away from the other guy
>Spell sniper EB and plink them to death un contested.\

Alternatively, against melee you might just cast armor of Agathys at 3rd level, and casting bladeward. It lasts a minute, if you precast it going into the fight along with agathys, you're gonna demolish any melee that tries to kill you. A 63 hp bearbarian that slaps you 3 times with a pole arm is likely to JUST break your tempo HP and take 8x3 cold damage, so 24 cold damage. A fighter might kill himself, a rogue probably won't even break the ice, a paladin might break it in 2 smites, but thats why you go aasimar, for radiant resistnace

>>96485177 (OP)
call me a faggot for not using pen and paper but does anyone know of a decent character creator for 5e/5.5 that i can use all the expansions and shit on?

>>96492834
might be worth running a pure-roleplay one shot like a one page rpg (crab truckers, honey heist etc) to help him get in the mindset. but it sounds like he's just retarded so your mileage may vary.

when he does roleplay does he actually enjoy it or is he just doing it because hes being directly prompted to?

Do you ever change up the flavor of a class for fun? I feel like people too often fall into the tropes of their class if that don't. I played a Light Cleric that was a flagelant who spilled flammable blood as a way to channel spells to reflavor them as a blood mage for example.

>>96494179
I just make a new Class, flavoring a class doesn't work for me

>>96494179
>Do you ever change up the flavor of a class for fun?
I've tried countless times and from several Dms, and often got a "no"

>light cleric with a cannon attached to the arm, where all magic is fired from literally just a shield with my holy symbol
no, you can't have a magic gun.
>rune knight where the runes are draconic in origin instead of giant, for my dragonborn
no, giants only.


It's not like there were lore reasons or that these ideas were tied to the setting.

Where do i look for online games? I'm not good enough with people for irl yet.

>>96494340
>no, you can't have a magic gun.
dm he was right
>rune knight where the runes are draconic in origin instead of giant, for my dragonborn
dm was retarded

>>96494346
the answer is always the same: reddit or discord

>>96494401
Aw

>>96494394
It's not like there's any tangible difference even if it looks like a gun. Flavor should be free as long as it's not setting contradictory.

I wish DND had a class that's just PURE conmanship charisma bullshit.
Bard is too useful in a fight. I want an actual useless middleman who is really good at making you think he's useful when he's really not.

>>96494502
high charisma rogue is pretty useless, but good at talking w/ expertise

>>96492422
What does instagram pretty mean? Is that too pretty?

>>96494637
Use of filters, makeup, photoshop, etc. something that doesn't fit the setting

>>96494417
And maybe a magic gun contradicted his setting.

Why don't vampires regenerate anymore

>>96495008
wotc didn't want to make a fight impossible to win if the party lacked access to a certain damage type

>>96495047
Dumbass players fault and they deserve death.

was Divine Smite really that OP that it required a double nerf of requiring a BA and being limited to once per turn

>>96494758
it wasn't >>96494340
>It's not like there were lore reasons or that these ideas were tied to the setting.

>>96495077
there's more to a world than lore, there's also a vibe. If he didnt fit the vibe, he was right to say no

>>96495074
Personally, yeah. The high-AC tank class with fuckloads of self-sustain shouldn't also get to have a nutso burst damage option that it has a incredibly easy chance to land at least one of (since you could dual-wield blades and get two attempts to land a Smite). That could be easily refreshed with a short dip into Warlock.

What's your favorite multiclass?

what are some small worldbuilding things that make the world feel instantly different without being too crazy

>no horses, only chocobo/axe beaks

>>96495819
>Children are literally born from fruit on magical trees

Looking for feedback on some custom brewing on 5e. Giving martials some things to do, custom classes, redone classes, and feat/condition changes. Give me your thoughts and prayers.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1txPlGAlq-8R9nErUxpRDzCTI1dZsAr6e/view?usp=sharing

>>96496097
>what if we gave all classes a superiority dice mechanic? that would be cool right???

i do enjoy the fact that because of this, your rogues / barbs have 2 different mechanics that can customize their skills that overlap w/ your generic superiority dice mechanic

>>96496097
don't click, this is a virus

>>96495858
>the local pedos are always around the fruit trees

>>96494502
That just doesn't really work in 5e. Not having some kind of combat application makes you dead weight because the DMG's balance guidelines assume, per group size, that everyone can reasonably contribute. Purely social classes just aren't accounted for in the core rules of the game.

Savager attacker is ass and a soldier who isn't proficient with armor and weapons is retarded, so I added it and a reason for a someone with armor training to take be a soldier

and I like prodigy as an martial alternative to magical initiate.

>>96496684
>getting to roll advantage on a damage roll every turn is bad
It's a solid one, especially if you don't get Extra Attacks, plus it can apply to certain things like Flame Blade. Class/Feat proficiency for armor are fine.

>>96496750
>Flame Blade
Flame blade is not a melee spell attack, not a weapon attack.

>>96496784
>not

>>96496181
I choose to be obnoxious and use the summoning spells that forces the DM to acknowledge the Demon/Devil/Celestial/Fey/Elemental/Undead/Aberration creature(s) that are almost guaranteed to be more useful than my Martial teammates

>>96496784
Using a flaming sword. AKA a Weapon shaped out of magic.

>>96491485
Severe flatulence.
Good luck sneaking anywhere.
>No saves; just braps.

Tell everyone at the table you wanted to play a character with epic farts and ANYONE can just decide when your character nearly shits xirself. If your PC is doing anything at the time, they roll at disadvantage.

There. Handicapped.

is it possible to play a hexadin without coming across as a total faggot?

>>96491526
This and the tiefling pics are obviously artificers, but it's not yet an official class for 5.5e. Strange.

>>96491485
Albinism. That's just disabled enough to want to change (especially if your character has vision issues), but still plausible for an adventurer. Comes with the added bonus of looking unique. Go get that melanin fruit!

>>96496919
>AKA a Weapon shaped out of magic.
If you're referring to the spell flame blade, its not a weapon attack and doesn't apply.

My GM thinks my Vengeance Paladin should be more ruthless and bloodthirsty.
maybe I should play a more heroic paladin subclass?

>>96497328
>>96497328
>My GM thinks my Vengeance Paladin should be more ruthless and bloodthirsty.

That largely depends on whom he's referring to.

>the target of your vow who you sore to take vengeance aginast
he might have a point
>people directly/indirectly realted to your target
it depends how hot/cold blooded your character is
>literally anyone else who isn't realted to the target of your vow
No, not really.

You're not a frothing berserker, you're a paladin.

>>96497328
So long as you're fighting the greater evil, showing no mercy for the wicked, exterminating them by any means necessary, and granting restitution to those you failed to defend, you're good on everything else.

>>96497328
Ruthless when you need to be, merciful when you can be.

pic related.

>>96497353
A recap of the last session: An evil man turned some people from a city into monsters to serve him.
Those monsters can potentially be cured and are currently contained.
My paladin decided to seek a cure, since he protects and helps those who are harmed by evil people.
Later I talked to the GM, and he said that a Vengeance Paladin should kill them to end their suffering.

>>96497226
>/tg/ hates fun and rule of cool

>>96497407
Tell your GM he's a retard.

>>96497445
Yes? Especially in /5eg/, we only care about gay stuff and math questions.

>>96497407
>Later I talked to the GM, and he said that a Vengeance Paladin should kill them to end their suffering.
He's a dumb dumb.

CHAPTAH FOE OF DUH RULEZ OF BEIN UH PALADIN OH VANGANCE

>Fight the Greater Evil. Faced with a choice of fighting my sworn foes or combating a lesser evil, I choose the greater evil.
>No Mercy for the Wicked. Ordinary foes might win my mercy, but my sworn enemies do not.
>By Any Means Necessary. My qualms can't get in the way of exterminating my foes.
>[Restitution]. If my foes wreak ruin on the world, it is because I failed to stop them. [I must help those harmed by their misdeeds.]

You did well, brother. Carry on the good fight. We're proud of you. Show this to your DM and demand inspiration.

>>96497445

>hey, this only works with the color red
>>I think its pretty cool when you use it with the colour blue
>it doesn't work with the color blue, it only works with the color red
>>Ok but like, the colour blue is a colour just like the colour red so it should work
>but it doesn't work with the color blue
>>/tg/ hates fun and rule of cool!!!

>>96497481
Don't forget the occasional cunny here and there.

>>96496684
Biggest issue I have with Trained Combatant is that it does nothing for martial characters who already have those. No Origin Feat in the game is completely unusable by a class. That feat needs to have use for those classes- you could add Savage Attacker onto it. Also unless I’m mistaken aren’t all classes proficient with all Simple Weapons?

>>96497562
>>96497562
>Biggest issue I have with Trained Combatant is that it does nothing for martial characters who already have those.
Seems like I posted the wrong one. I had the same thought and gave them a weapon mastery. Weaker than the general feat since it doesn't give an ASI and has prerequisites.
>Also unless I’m mistaken aren’t all classes proficient with all Simple Weapons?
You're right. I forgot that 2024 games all simple weapons to everyone. I recalled that 2014, sorcerer and wizard only had a handful of simple weapons and not all simple weapons.

>>96497506
>Swinging a sword does X with this feat
>Swinging a sword but made of fire suddenly doesn't count

>>96497845
>swinging a weapoon does X with this feat
>why doesn't a spell do the same thing?!?!

There are weapon mysteries why can't there also be elemental type mysteries that trigger when you do spell damage of a certain type?

>>96497913
Who knows? It's a real enigma.

one of my players is so fucking good and above the rest I am scared of losing her if the shortbus retards dont step it up

>>96497936
does she have a penis?

>>96497960
pretty sure she doesnt since she has two kids

Is there merit in dipping a level of fighter on a 2024 monk for nick+vex and an extra attack every turn with the twf style?

I'm trying to give my BBEG the classic katana finisher as a sort of final gambit but the balance is throwing me. I'm using Steelwind Strike as a reference but I just can't figure out what to do to bump it up a notch without becoming too overwhelming. Any ideas? The boss in question is currently CR15-ish

>>96498013
damn

>>96498211
Fighter gives a lot these days. Martial and medium armor proficiencies, weapon masteries, second winds, a fighting style. It's a pretty good dip.

>>96491017
Try really mixing up the objectives in fights so it's not just a skirmish. Protect a vip, prevent enemies from activating things on the map, steal back the macguffin, the rogue lockpicking the gate for an escape path while you try and survive the unbeatable boss, all done with a time limit with a blades in the dark-style clock. Check out Flee Mortals for more interesting monster design in monsters.

Really though dnd is kind of bad at its combat considering how much time you spend at it so you might want to consider changing systems. I've been eyeing draw steel which looks like 4e which in turn has more in depth grid combat. Holding off to see how good of a reception it gets.

>>96498211
It's worth it to take two levels for action surge

>>96494269
This. It's also why the artificer feels like crap, because it's "Just reflavor the spells bro"-the class, which doesn't work at all. The mechanics have to support what you're doing.

>>96498218
Increased Critical Hit Range? Double Damage on a Critical? Decapitation if it reduces a target to 0 hit points? I’m thinking stuff that the Blade of Disaster or Vorpal Sword can do.

>>96498345
I think Artificers would feel better if they didn’t have verbal components for their spells. Somatic and Material make sense- but verbal less so.

I'm playing a rogue in a 2014 5e game. This game has some homebrew stuff, racial bonuses are changed around a bit, some spells are changed, e.g. Silvery Barbs and Goodberry are level 2 spells, and so on. It's a relatively punishing game, and dying as a player if you or your team as a whole fuck up can happen easily and has happened before during the course of the game. And death is permanent, as regular resurrection spells don't work, only very high level stuff like wish that we don't have yet.

I'm an elf rogue. Originally, when we started the game, I picked swashbuckler subclass. Elf racials are one wizard cantrip, I picked Booming Blade, 60 feet darkvision, 35 movement speed, and longbow proficiency. I originally wanted to play the character as a melee rogue, but due to difficulty of the game, it was simply not viable. So I've been more and more ranged as time went on. I've taken Elven Accuracy at level 4 and will soon be taking Sharpshooter at level 8. I have 20 DEX and 15 CON, other stats are mid, +1 or 0. We rolled for stats.

We're about to hit level 8 and I've been given the opportunity due to in-game happenings to switch my subclass to Arcane Trickster, and decided to take it. Now, I just have to decide which spells to take. As a level 8 Arcane Trickster, I'll be able to get three cantrips, and six spells, up to four of which can be level 2 and rest level 1. Four of those six spells have to be either illusion or enchantment school. What spells would you all recommend? Here's what I'm thinking (continued in next post):

>>96498414
3 cantrips: Mage Hand (required), Light, Dancing Lights
This campaign spends a lot of time fighting in darkness, either at night, or underground. We have one character with Light cantrip in the party, but getting a second source of light can't hurt. Dancing Lights is for my benefit, it has 120 feet range so I can set it up way ahead of me and snipe at incoming enemies that I usually cannot see with my own 60 feet of darkvision.

2 level 1 spells: Shield (any), Tasha's Hideous Laughter (enchantment/illusion)
Shield is a great spell, but I wonder if I could do better? I can already halve damage from one attack as a reaction, Shield can outright stop damage and is incredibly potent if the enemy multi attacks. I only have 11 INT so any spell that requires a damage roll or a saving throw is a waste, but since my options for enchantment/illusion level 1 spells are so bad, I figured I could pick Tasha's Hideous Laughter in a freak chance I succeed at CCing the boss we're running away from.

4 level 2 spells: Invisibility (enchantment/illusion), Mirror Image (enchantment/illusion), Blur (enchantment/illusion), Misty step (any).
Mirror Image + Blur feels like an insane combo for survival, as only one requires concentration so I can have both up at the same time. Invisibility is also great for escaping or even scouting ahead in case stealth isn't enough. Misty Step seems like a great spell, but I wonder, should I get something else instead? As a rogue, I can already use disengage and dash as action + reaction and run away 70 feet (35 speed racial), so maybe I should get something else? Kinetic Jaunt might be outright superior to Misty Step, Enlarge/Reduce can give me +1d4 extra damage for ten turns as I'm sniping away at enemies at max range, or maybe even a level 1 spell that can also be cast at level 2 like False Life that gives me extra hit points to reduce the chance of getting killed in one unlucky round of rolls?

>>96496684
>Crafter
I used an absolutely cranked version of that at my table.
My players aren't min-maxers so it doesn't get abused.

>>96498422
Mirror image and Blur seem good on paper, but considering most fights last 3 rounds tops, spending one of them to just defensively buff up when you are a ranged character ie already out of harms way and could sneak around with your bonus action instead it's not great pick. Blur is just straight up worse than Mirror image imo. Shield can be done on reaction at any time you get swarmed by enemies to give you a freakish ac just when you need it, without using any of your precious few actions.

Your reasoning on misty step is sound, it's nice to have, but with your limited slots and your cunning action you can probably do without it.

As someone who seems very preoccupied with defensive stuff in a deadly game, consider Fog cloud. An often forgotten trait of these spells that obscure vision is that attacks of opportunity cannot be made on targets that cannot be seen. Meaning you could bail a fellow player out if they're getting attacked by putting a fog cloud on them, allowing them to run out of there as if they had disengaged. Invisibility can achieve the same thing, but is only touch range, so more for yourself in most situations, and then you can just bonus action disengage.

If you have access to a feat, and you get to use Tasha's cauldron for everything, consider picking up the Metamagic Adept feat. Subtle and Quicken. Casting spells completely silently while sneaking around or in plain sight when talking to npcs without any indication it was you could really up the trickery feel of your character and would probably be really fun. With quicken you could also potentially pick up something like Hold person and fish for an auto-crit where you bonus cast the hold person and sneak attack crit them on the same turn if it lands. You could only do it once per long rest and it's not the best, but would feel really cool.

>>96498476
Thanks for the Fog Cloud recommendation, I totally missed out on that spell when I was looking for stuff to pick and it seems pretty useful, especially since it's 120 feet range. I'll definitely consider that one.
Most encounters we go through are relatively easy when it comes to swarms of enemies, goblins and whatnot, but our DM likes to throw "boss encounters" at us pretty often. There was one recently that spooked me. A massive undead gorilla that could move 40 feet and had a legendary action to jump 60 feet and cause everyone in the melee range of where he lands to make a CON saving throw or get stunned. And he had multi attack. So that thing stunning and attacking you is a death sentence.
Now that I'm getting level 8, I'll be getting Sharpshooter so my goal is to always be at 120 feet away from the boss whenever we do a boss encounter, just to avoid creatures like this one. But DM also knows I'm getting Sharpshooter next level so he can design bosses specifically to bully me, which is why I want more defensive abilities. My only big issue with that is, my own darkvision is only 60 feet, and there's a chance I might be unable to see the enemy, depending on where the party members are. That's why I'm seriously considering getting Eldritch Adept - Devil's Sight at level 10, if I live that long. As Arcane Trickster, I have spellcasting so I'm eligible to take that feat. Alternatively, it's either Tough for 20 extra hit points, or Resilient (CON) for 10 extra hit points and proficiency in CON saves.

>>96485231
I allow whatever the fuck the players want to do, because I'm not a faggot. What, am I gonna prescribe them what kind of relationship they will have with people in the setting?

>>96498636
If it's the single boss fights that give you trouble, then if you get into the loop of Shoot>hide, >Shoot>hide, Shoot>hide, then you'll stay hidden between your turns and you won't have to worry about the boss jumping across the map to hurt you since he can't see you and will free you from the need to have those action to cast defensive spells.

If your dm starts doing multiple creature boss fights so one of the bosses stays on you or tries to fuck you with plain maps with no cover or shadows to fascilitate hide (which is boring and kind of defeats the point of the rogue, but some dms are antagonistic like that), and you also notice he has these giant + to hit on his bosses that basically never miss, then shield isn't as good since the boss will always hit anyway and then mirror image is good since it will neglect any attack no matter how big the hit bonus is if it hits an illusion.

As someone who plays on a grid, these 120ft distances are kind of rare, but perhaps you play in very big rooms. And if your dm is big on light rules and you often fight in darkness then I suppose darkvision could be useful. Most tables just handwave that stuff as "eh, it's a bit dark but you all kind of see what's happening where the fight is" but again, maybe your table is strict at that stuff. Also, like you yourself said, your dm is already making custom abiltiies to hunt chase you down across the map then he likely won't stop just because you increase the distance, he will simply up his game too, and wasting an entire feat for darkvision is really costly. Devil's sight does open you up to picking up the Darkness spell which you could cast on your ranged weapon to run around with it. How the dm would interpret that darkness would be kind of iffy,if you're in a poorly lit room it could blend in to make it easier to stealth around and give you permanent adv. on attacks and disadv. on theirs. If the room is brightly lit, makes it obvious you're in the shadow though.

Which class (and subclass) would you recommend if I want to feel like pic related and be a blaster who turns enemies into nuclear ash (5.5e 2024)

>>96499073
depends on how extreme you're willing to reflavor

>>96499308
>depends on how extreme you're willing to reflavor
I was exaggerating a bit, what class/subclass in 5.5e is the best if I’m looking for a caster that destroys enemies from a distance

>>96499526
Evoker Wizard is all about blasting.
But you will have no trouble blasting with the other wizard subclasses or sorcerer or warlock.

How do people feel about the Valda's Spire of Secrets classes with the 2024 update? I remember really like the old craftsman because it sounded fun making people custom weapons but the new one is boring as shit and none of the cool features work for anyone but the Craftsman themselves.

What do health potions taste like? Why are they red?

>>96500169
They taste like cough medicine and the more they heal the thicker the liquid and it sticks to the back of your throat

>>96500169
Cherry-flavored medicine/cough syrup with a hint of acidity. Kind of like burnt candy with an alcoholic finish.

>>96497859
>Spell where you create a weapon in your hand that lasts ten minutes, that you swing like a weapon
>somehow your ability to swing a weapon more accurately doesn't count

Just to make you madder, my DM already said he's cool with it applying.

>>96500169
Shasta and pennies.

Hello friends, I am running d&d 5e as DM for the first time. I have about 2 years experience of being a player in a curse of strahd/domains of dread campaign and had a good time.
My friend would really like to play a Warlord, similar to the 4e version. Is there a homebrew version that you all can recommend? Bonus points if it works in Foundry easily.

Thank you!

>>96500169
Red is associated with Blood and therefore life/health.
And also video games like Diablo used red health potions, so I guess it just kinda became part of the aesthetic.
Taste?
>>96500180
This, probably, but since they can be made with an herbalism kit, I'm gonna say that they have more of a tart flavor, like pine needle tea or hibiscus.

>>96500169
>He doesn't know what red tastes like.
Everyone point and laugh.

What could be some fun traits for a character that idolizes the idea of the "ideal chivalric knight" and tries to live up to and embody them to an extreme that borders on being a harmful obsession for him?
The usual boring "oh he tries to help others" sucks
I want an idiotic gloryhound of a knight

What's the point of medium armor?

>>96502836
Barbarians

>>96502666
>What is Don Quixote?

>>96502914
I know the name but I've never actually read anything about him
Did I end up making something super close to him?

>>96502666
slightly related but I have a fey vault where they buy whacky items in exchange for fey coins

one of the items is a figurine of a knight. when they summon it, it's this ideal of chivalry but also very old school on gender relations, ie my fair lady you do not belong in this foul dungeon, etc. The players keep trying to teach it that women can defend themselves etc, but everytime they summon it his memory is wiped so they have to start again, over time they have learned to just accept it

tldr acceptable misoginy

Has anyone played Draconic Sorcerer 5.5e (is there even a difference with 2014) here? Is it fun? Any strategies or combos?

>>96498437
>that restriction

Very clean. I'm a fan.

>>96502939
He's an old man who read so many chivalric romances that he addled his mind and decided to become a knight-errant. He declares a local farm worker his squire and a slaughterhouse worker his lady love, and rides around the Spanish countryside, mistaking everyday things and people for fairy tale figures and getting into trouble.

>>96503037
Lots of differences, it's stronger, same streadgies and combos.

>>96502666
>Tilt at Windmills
>Get into fights with pillow wielding men at arms
>Seek out the Shittiest Horse, make it your mount, give it a pun name that alludes to said shittiness but also means "The Fucking Best Horse."
>Blame all misunderstandings on evil wizards
>Sit down in the mountains and tell your squire "This is a good place to go mad."
>Do so
>Tell Everyone you meet to tell your tale to a lovely lady that everyone is pretty sure is either a hooker or a meat worker
>Promise your Squire his own Island
>Talk very calmly about the perils and realities of shepherding and a bit of theology bfeore going back into your Knight Errant Hyperfixation

>>96503297
Oh that's cool, I'll have to read some about him
>>96503035
I'm definitely leaning into a fey angle, part of what I'm going with is some sort of oathsworn knight that owes fealty to a powerful fey and everything he does is in her (not true) name

>>96503421
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH9nDlBr3b4

If a group gets stranded in the wilderness and have to eat one another, if they are different races, is it cannibalism?

>>96503421
it's a book. you can find it for free online, or your local library will have a copy

>>96504800
Depends on the setting, saar. Usually yes.

>>96504800
Probably. They described halflings as cannibals in Dark Sun but they ate other humanoids.

As a real world example would you consider it cannibalism if neanderthals or other human like species were still around and we ate them?

>>96502836
Most PCs from experience wear half plate and a shield. AC 19 is really solid. So that means: Dex Fighters, Dex Rangers, Dex Paladins, Barbarians, most Clerics, Valor Bards, Swords Bards... anyone who multiclassed into any of those guys for armor dips.
Better question is- who really wears Plate Armor? Its a 1 AC difference and to not suffer a movement penalty it requires more Stat Investment (Medium Armor caps AC at 14 DEX while Plate Armor requires 15 Strength to not suffer a movement penalty). Its also twice as expensive than Half Plate.

>>96505481
>who really wears Plate Armor?
Fighters and Paladins. And if you're a dex character, you're often better off wearing Light armor instead because there's no max dex.

>>96505481
>Its also twice as expensive than Half Plate.
At some point in the game money doesn't mean that much. At early levels equipment makes a big difference but once you've reached the peak for your character it's more about magic items, potions, scrolls etc.

>>96505481
99% of paladins are wearing full plate
Like 60-70% of fighters are wearing full plate
In my experience, like 60-70% of clerics are in full plate
It's incredibly common to see wizards, sorcerers, warlocks, and bards start out as a fighter/paladin for the sole purpose of better armor
I legit think the only people who wear medium are doing so because they cannot justify or are mechanically incapable of doing so. I even see it more than light armor because most armor dips are going for armor+shield

>>96505603
>>96505981
Why though? Medium armor is essentially 1 AC off full plate, without needing the strength investment. Just find some +1 armor somewhere, it's not even attunment. My Paladin and Cleric both use medium.

What third party stuff is good for 5e?
Looking at Heliana's Guide to Monster Hunting

>>96506022
Because bounded accuracy means in the common level range played that 1 ac is huge
Because why have 17/19 ac when I could have 18/20? I'm already a strength character so I meet that strength requirement
If I'm a dex character I'm going to have 20 dex before the money for half plate and the stealth disadvantage is a bitch
Medium armor's only good on barbarians, who only beat half plate by level 12 assuming no feats taken. For everyone else it's a compromise or a complete necessity

Is D&D 5E 2024 better or worse than 5E 2014? In which aspects?

>>96506056
It's been out for almost a year, why are you still asking 4chan what to think?

>>96506069
Because i trust you, anon -3-

>>96506056
Better at some stuff
Worse at some stuff
Overall I actually prefer it, but its biggest flaw is that wotc has sanitized their settings to the point of removing anything remotely interesting out of fear of being called racist
They've committed the cardinal sin of being boring.
It's trying too hard to be a generic system but it is still also trying to be d&d and no matter what anybody says you can never have a truly setting neutral system, it's impossible

>>96506056
As someone just coming back to 5e after a break of a few years, I haven't felt particularly motivated to dive into the changes. It seems like they made a few good common sense upgrades that could have been a rule patch, but then went and tweaked a bunch of other stuff just for the sake of saying "see this is different now". It seems very limp dick and half assed.

god, I hate my PC's personality. I wanted to make a little robot bird, but everything I've tried with it personality wise is so fucking cringe. It's already switched off parts of its personalty TARS-style, so I've established can change it again if I want, but thus far, the following personalities are just annoying as shit

>short one-word utterances, with occasional pre-recored messages
>discount hal9000

>>96506037
everything kobold press

>>96506245
How about something like Wheatly from Portal 2?

>>96506056
People are asking this a lot. It’s “better” but there are many reasons people haven’t and won’t swap over >>96491608

Personally I’m using them but find it’s just 5e really. All the same mechanics, pros and cons are there. From a DM perspective I like have two monster manuals to choose which version I prefer. But there is no way in hell I’m buying new books. My old ones are collecting dust as it is.

>>96506245
I'm in a similar spot. In a game I'm a player in I kind of hate playing my character. I'm a psi warrior and just find fighter super boring. But my character is kind of integrated into the plot. He's just kind of a generic cishet human fighter. The only interesting thing was his backstory where he was born a slave. Now that he has his freedom I feel like I've gotten everything I wanted from the character. I was thinking about asking the DM if he could be killed off or retired. What do people think? I've never seen anyone do that

>>96506395
>He's just kind of a generic cishet human fighter
You should make him transition into a transbian

>>96506410
I know you’re being facetious. It doesn’t really fit him. He’s always been very masc and I don’t think it’s the right group for a trans character anyways.

>>96506440
Just a bit of whiplash seeing reddit/tumblr language on 4chan. I mean, you made the character that way in the first place? Might as well ask your DM to send them off into the sunset so you can play someone you like.

>>96506395
>cishet

Are you brain dead?

>>96501464
Battle master

>>96505981
>>96506040
Does that mean the Defense fighting style is objectively the best? even over Dueling?

>>96506480
He served a purpose and guided the others who weren’t born to slavery. But now that’s gone he just feels like a generic gladiator/ex slave. We also got like 100k plus gold. I think he’s just go “whatever I’m gonna retire now”. Maybe he can become an NPC at the arena but I’m struggling to find motivation for him to keep adventuring.

I also find fighter boring. I usually play casters. I’ll see what the DM says he’ll probably be fine with me changing characters when it’s a good time.

>>96506555
the higher your ac, the stronger defense is
just for sake of explaining lets ignore modifiers
if you have 15 ac and get defense, you raise your defense by 20%, if you have 18 ac and get defense, you are raising your defense by 50%

>>96506611
I've always taken duelling over defense. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about with those percentages. +1 AC is 5% less chance to hit with a normal strike. But it does change a bit depending on advantage/disadvantage.

There is no marking like in 4e so to make people want to hit you posing a significant threat and killing them more quickly is worth it. That being said duelling is better at low levels when that +2 damage matters more while I'd say defense is better at high levels.

>>96501464
I've seen some homebrews but never had a chance to test them. Personally I think Warlord was an amazing class but one that doesn't fit the design philosophy of 5e.

>>96506517
Ignore this retard.

>>96506633
Maneuver Options you cunt

>>96506625
>I don't know what the fuck you're talking about with those percentages.
its right there on your own table if you look the percentages from top to bottom
raising ac from 15 to 16 reduces the hitting rolls from 6 to 5, raising ac from 18 to 19 reduces the hitting rolls from 3 to 2,
20% and 50% are indeed wrong for some reason i had a brain fart and counted only rolls above the ac. the correct % are 16.67 and 30%

>>96506625
>I don't know what the fuck you're talking about with those percentages.
NTA but if the enemy can only hit you on a 19 or 20 (10% chance), then gaining 1 AC would halve that % to 5% therefore it is much more valuable than all the other points of AC that came before

>>96506678
>>96506679
Sorry, I understand now, never mind.

New thread >>96506691

>>96506692
it takes well over 12 hours for a thread to fall off the board...

>>96506706
I’ve been doing this around 310 posts for months mate. The ritual must not be delayed even when there are people who conspire against it.

>>96506730
uhhh... don't curse me sis