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Thread Question: Is the Secutor late Republic, or firmly in the Imperial era as a carrier replacement of the Venator?

Why does the Imperial Navy have carriers in general? I love battleships but I also love carriers.
Is it cause Thrawn's defender got BTFO?

>>96486846 (OP)
Firmly Imperial, at most you could talk about its bridge being a reference.

>>96486917
>have
I meant to type "hate"

>>96486917
They really don't. Secutor, Quasar Fire, they've got plenty of carriers. They don't have the Venator because it was an emergency wartime design which got made, and destroyed, in the thousands. Why do you think even the Rebellion isn't down for using it?

>>96486917
>>96486935
They don't? They have some dedicated vessels, almost every capital ship of theirs is a carrier at least in a minor capacity and for a good while most of their fighters and bombers required carriers to be deployed anywhere.

>>96486917
So in real life naval warfare, Carriers made Battleships obsolete due to the factor of range.

In theory, battleships were necessary for the long range of their massive canons, and the need for armor to soak up any hits they might take from enemy ships.

In practice however, planes on a carrier had so much range that carriers could sit parked in the back far from any danger, and no ammount of armor or AA could stop planes from taking you down with sufficient numbers. Hence carriers have become king ever since WW2 (though there have been few naval battles since then).

Of course, the issue is now in theory cruise missiles have way higher ranger than even jet planes do, and are much logistically simpler, which could in theory completely invalidate Carriers, but this hasn't been tested yet.

Star Wars exists in a sort of 'WW2 in Space' at least on the space-battles front. So Starfighters exist to extend the range of a starship. In theory. However this is invalidated by the fact that logically they wouldn't have the same range considerations with laser weapons. Starfighters seem to exist to do dogfights, but it seems they are capable of taking down ships. So this begs the question that's never answered, which is what's the point of main-guns if star-fighters can take down ships, or why bother fielding starfighters if your starships main guns are sufficient to take down enemy ships.

>>96486846 (OP)
What an ugly ass triangle. Terrible OP.

>>96486917
There is no such thing as "navy" in Star Wars. It's "starfleet".

>>96487375
>There is no such thing as "navy" in Star Wars. It's "starfleet".

uh, anon....it's also called the navy.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_Navy

>>96487406
>links wookieepedia
Cringe.

The word "navy" was literally never once said in any of the movies, ever. It was only ever referred to as STARFLEET.

>LUKE: Well, I'll be at the Academy next season... after that who knows. I won't be drafted into the Imperial Starfleet that's for sure... Take care of yourself, you'll always be the best friend I've got.
>BIGGS: So long, Luke.
https://imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-A-New-Hope.html

>>96487573
The "movies" (more like flicks, really) are peak redditcore. The main thing you should take away from Star Wars is the universe. Everything else about it is ass.

>>96487375
>>96487573
Maybe I'm missing something but this whole Navy vs Starfleet debate seems kind of like a distinction without a difference, especially with SW spaceships being described using naval terms like cruisers or destroyers.
Also have some generic Jedi.

>>96487662
You are an uncultured swine, a redditor manchild.

>>96487573
Are you the same fag who has a meltdown when the Imperial Army is mentioned

>>96487765
>truth nuke is spoken
>n-no u!

>>96487844
No, it's quite obviously the exact same shitposter. When a meaningful discussion happens, which it did just the last thread, and an interesting thread question, he will come in and shit it the fuck up. Whatever the topic is, he WILL shit it up. If its Legends, he will either Pelleonclassfag spam or spam that one picture, if its Army Chads, he will spam ceaselessly about how it shouldn't exist because muh Lucas, if there's discussion on the Force, he will start Greyfagging. This is the exact same guy shitting up the thread since at least 2020, and the worst part is jannies aren't doing shit, but they're not alone. You know we could just ignore him.

>>96488231
but its NOT filonifag right?

Imperial army is pretty dumb, let's be honest.

>>96487731
>generic MOTF 1
We need justice for Ventress/Maul/Ahsoka

>>96487375
>What an ugly ass triangle
Still better than a Pellaeon class.

>>96487731
>some generic Jedi
I ike this. In fact, I Iike all the Jedi/Offiicer/Agent/Operative/etc kits.

I wonder if someone out there has the original VHS versions of star wars online somewhere, that would be cool

>>96489560
I always see this cosplay posted but never the full set of images

>>96489859
That's a cosplay? I thought it was CGI.

>>96489977
It's a cosplay. There is at least one more where she holds a lightsaber.

>>96486846 (OP)
>secutor
Fractal and Saxton shit. Imperial class is as big as it needs to be, save for Executor command ships.

>>96486994
Presumably turbolasers just have enough range to obviate the whole "carrier supremacy" thing in Star Wars. Starfighter range superiority appears mainly in hyperspace equipped fighters, but that requires your carrier to be in another star system.

>>96490552
One of the better Fractal ships though. I do like a bigger carrier and it is has a more interesting figure than the rest of his ugly ass ships
Also there are only 4-12 Executors. Thinking there are more is maximalism which is a Saxtonite bullshit fantasy

>>96490561
Except that SW media consistently shows that starfighter and bomber squads with enough time can take down whole capital ships. Also every single big ship in Star Wars is a carrier. The ISD realistically can carry as much as the Venator, the 72 fighter estimate is pretty clearly outdated lore from an era that had fighters be far less relevant.
>>96486994
A lot of this is very Saxton, Star Wars shouldn't be taken this seriously ngl
Anyways most of this "unanswered question" is answered if you just play Empire At War which pretty much shows how SW naval fights work.

>>96490650
>ISD realistically
>also shouldn't be taken this seriously
Which is it.

>>96490675
"Realistically" is an expression. The point is that 72 TIE number is an outdated relic from '80s D6. If the Venator had been made back then it also would have had the same or even less TIEs. Hence we need to adapt the ISD to modern Star Wars conventions, first by eliminating retardation like the ISDII lacking PD (which is a misreading of D6, not even the intended lore) and fixing the fighter count.

>>96490696
Genoociding them was such a waste, why not sell them to the Hutts like civilized people?
>Mandos
Nevermind, they're neither.
Gillead, get the plasma bombs.

>>96490870
Selling to the Hutts is a crime.

>>96490870
Genocide is the only solution for abominations like hutts, falleen and anzati.

Worldbuilding and campaign narrative question.

What happened to the majority of the CIS war materiel after the shutdown order went out? Was it all ordered scrapped, or did enough get surplused out and sold-with-permission (not just stolen) that there could reasonably be some private organisations out there still legally owning and operating it as a throwback? Specifically, Munificent star frigates. They are 900 metres of armed warship and to what extent is owning one or more of them likely to get Imperials breathing down someone's neck during the Dark Times? Can they slug it out with a Star Destroyer?

Reason is I'm putting together a flotilla formed about 5 years after the Clone Wars that my players are going to interact with. Dark Times era, and we're sitting around 8 years before Yavin. The players are mostly tooling around the Outer Rim and a bit of the Unknown Regions as explorers (mixture of Star Trek and old western frontier) and minor gun runners making contact with new outposts for defense.

I'm thinking that the flotilla, when they meet it, might use a modified Munificent as a base of operations (mobile, has all sorts of communications gear suitable for a base, needs minimal operating crew). But preferably without drawing Imperial attention, the organisation needs to be importantly LEGAL, so if there's smaller Clone Wars era ships that would make more sense and are available I'd happily use those instead. I thought about Dreadnoughts like Outbound Flight used, but figured they might be too much warship.

>>96491431
Some got scrapped, some shut down, some mothballed and forgotten. There are criminal groups that got their hands on some factories that weren't blown up and put them to good use.

Lucrehulk in particular is a fabulous, enduring super-freighter design that would've been a lot more prevalent in imperial times in all strata of society if many navy commanders didn't have inclination to shoot them on sight, but even with that problem it's way too good for a criminal syndicate not to use it as a mothership should they get their hands on an intact one, especially if it's still loaded with droids.
A shut down Droideka factory is another very good find.

>>96491473
I was thinking against a Lucrehulk because one already got heavily featured in Jedi Survivor and I like the design far less than I do the Munificent, but it might be an option too. Recusants and Providence I leaned away from as the former is too spindly and the latter is pure warship no questions.

>>96491606
Munificent is also viable.
You gotta understand aside from possibly provoking grognard grudge the origin of equipment doesn't matter as much outside of imperial forces proper as its grade and threat assessment, who's getting it and where.

And with regards to this, their standing with the Empire, and the local imperial force is more important. A 'security business' that's bunch of shady crooks getting their slimy paws on not just military grade equipment but a cruiser, no matter how outdated, would be bet with alarm and perhaps even preventive violence.
On the other hand if they're an upstanding security organisation, if their registration is impeccable, they have a long track record of assisting imperial authorities and hunting down infamous criminals, rebels and other terrorists, and the local authority has no reason to view them as a threat or doubt their loyalties they can secure far better privileges than general bounty hunter scum.

If it's an imperial strongpoint that needs no assistance they're going to be chased out one way or another and their special licences from a jurisdiction on the other side of the galaxy wouldn't count for much.

>>96491651
>>96491606
I would all but guarantee that nobody running around with a capital ship over 1km long - Providence 2km, Venator 1.2km, Malevolence 4.8km(!) for example - in the dark times is going to get anything less than incredibly intense scrutiny from the Empire wherever they go, if they can even legally do it at all without a vast amount of political weight to throw around. The largest corporate interests, namely the Corporate Sector which was already part of the Empire, could do things like buying Victory classes at the absolute top end, and those are about 900m.

>>96491431
The ISD is 1.6km and it is the premier mainline warship. I would say the Empire will want to see nothing that would be capable of "slugging it out" with a ISD and any large capship armadas squarely under their thumb, even organisations like the Hutts kept their fleets politely out of the way just to avoid the appearance of threat.
The Munificent might be a safe choice here if you're set on CIS hardware because I believe canonically they get shit on in most big capship engagements. They are only "pocket cruisers" and five Munificents couldn't crush outright a single Venator even if TCWlol, so someone using just one Munificent might not trigger many alarm bells.
Beneath that, you have to scale down to smaller sizes, Sil 5-6 in FFG terms to the Munificent Sil 7.

>>96486994
This is something that bothers me about the setting. Most ancillary Star Wars media loves to follow the combat pattern of starfighter = jet fighter, star destroyer = naval warship. That works for the starfighter’s scale but relating irl navy vessels to the role of ungodly huge star destroyers seems like an equivalence that doesn’t add up. No irl naval warship is even a fraction of the size of big star wars ships.

>>96491758
There's a reasonable argument that an ISD would day to day operate less like a warship and more like a mobile military base with accompanying town or city space, possibly with civilian research and admin work along for the ride. There's probably rec facilities, basketball courts, cinemas, restaurants, shops, and more. It's like a flying Pentagon, which itself about 25k people, except specialised for whatever sector they are going on tour through and armed to the teeth.

>>96491348

Hutts did nothing wrong by their civilisation's laws or mores. Love those slug bastards.

>>96491825
>it's a cultural difference
Unfortunately (for the Hutts) they are dealing with me, not a European.

>>96492209
Their government is more legitimate with greater longevity than whatever Core-based administration of the day is trying to strut the galactic stage.

Reminder that when a Hutt was Supreme Chancellor, it was the second longest period of peace, stability, and prosperity in the history of the galaxy and Galactic Republic, and the Hutt in question was so well thought of that he was considered one of the single most illustrious and greatest beings to ever hold the position, right up to Palpatine and the collapse.

>>96492260
Living for hundreds of years is helpful for stable governance, although it would likely warp perspective against species living shorter lives.

>andor S2 wins 4 emmy's
not major ones mind you, but I definitely think it shows that andor, as a show, is a win star wars so desperately needs as it definitely cannot sustain itself on mediocre and bad live action shows, and good animation (mind you, we only have ONE live action show in the works)

however, on the other hand, everything else will be compared to andor and treated worse than it actually is

>>96491431
The Imperials would likely force a Munificent owner to remove the prow mounted heavy turbolasers, other than that the point defense systems would likely be legal for pirate defense.

>>96492324
>>96492260
Hutts are among the most impressive species in the galaxy. In Republic "culture" they are referred to as "Crime Lords" but it's not crime when you're the one in charge, only when authority is unrecognized. The Republic historically considered them outlaws to deny their legitimacy, citing their practices of slavery and other things. But when the Republic gets desperate enough, they are willing to make deals with the Hutts in exchange for access to hyperspace routes in order to win a war. Why? It's obvious.

Hutts command, no matter what the morally-compromised Republic claims, extensive military and economic power, both institutional and personal. The Hutts started out by going to war with the Rakatan Empire AND WINNING. They conquered an empire as warriors. Hutts are indolent out of cultural choice, but when they train end up like Grakkus, so swole he could flip a tank, or so tough that they can, in the case of Niima, tank a fucking turbolaser blast to the chest (only a light one, but still). And they wear power armour that would give 40k Space Marine fanboys a wet dream.

Why do they not rule still? Who says they don't? The only reason their original homeworld fell and was of a civil war coupled to a Celestial-triggered event that caused a black hole to wreck it. They dominated all galactic commerce and still would if MYSTERIOUS shifts in hyperspace hadn't changed the primary terminus point from Nar Shaddaa to Coruscant. Yes, it literally took the fabric of reality changing to break their control from unipolar to "just" multipolar. A Hutt is still probably taking a cut somewhere along the line of any economic action in the galaxy, with the likelihood increasing as one nears the Outer Rim.

As an independent territory comprising approximately 10% of an entire galaxy, Hutt Space predates the Old Republic and has outlasted it, the post-Ruusan Reformation Republic, the New Republic, and a baker's dozen of Sith Empires, galactic or otherwise.

>>96492333
Oh wow, no one gives a fuck. Andor is not Star Wars and will do nothing for Star Wars. It is a one and done pointless ugly slop for normalfags who don't even like Star Wars. Why are you so dumb? Just how fucked in the head do you have to be to defend anything Disney?

>>96492369
negative nancy

>>96492369
The OT is possibly the shittiest movies to have ever graced Hollywood. George's only worthwhile thought was making a universe for better writers.

>>96491431
Surplus battledroids have been used multiple times by criminal elements. And I could easily imagine some warships getting smuggled out. If a legal pretense is needed, maybe a corrupt Imperial officer sold 'scrapping rights' to a contractor and 'forgot' to ensure that fully dismantled them.

>>96492369
You mean two and done.

>>96492369
>Oh wow, no one gives a fuck.
Aren't you the guy who was crying last thread about how comic canon wasn't being properly respected?

>>96489585
Best thing to happen in Legion in a long time, though these Generic Jedi seem like they could be somewhat overtuned depending on how they are costed.
>>96489236
>Ventress/Maul/Ahsoka
kek, confirmed to be Padawan/Inquisitor-tier forcelets.
More seriously I'm more worried about the Jedi Consular or Jedi Training (Force Adept) getting them to MOTF2 which would be crazy if not costed appropriately.
I'm surprised these seem to be so high-power when Rebel and Imperial generics are closer to the 65-110pts range. I suppose it makes sense with Republic being the Elite faction with expensive units.
>>96492333
For context
>Mando S1 and S2 both got 7 Emmys
>Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka and Mando S3 each got 1
>The most TCW got in a year was 2
>Andor S1 got 0
I don't think these awards mean much.

>>96492617
ahsoka being MoTF1 makes sense, ventress and maul should get a buff though

>>96492367
>They dominated all galactic commerce and still would if MYSTERIOUS shifts in hyperspace hadn't changed the primary terminus point from Nar Shaddaa to Coruscant
That's not quite how it went. The Ootmian Pabol, the hyperspace route that connects Hutt Space with the Perlemian Trade Route, one of the major hyperspace routes of the galaxy, used to see a large amount of legitimate traffic, with Nar Shaddaa, which is located at the terminus of the route, being a major trade-world.
However, a supernova in a nearby system rendered the original route unnavigable, effectively cutting Nar Shaddaa of from major trade routes until the Ottmian could be rerouted. By the time it was Nar Shaddaa it had already been superseded by other worlds and never really recovered to its former glory, instead becoming mostly frequented by smugglers and pirates.

However, Coruscant was always the primary nexus of hyperspace travel, due to it being located at the crossroads of multiple big hyperspace routes (which isn't a coincidence: those routes were charted by Republic explorers, so they naturally led to the Republic's capital). Had things gone differently the Hutts would probably be seen as a legitimate trade-empire instead of criminals, but they never were the major trade-hub of the galaxy.

>>96492984
Nah, Hutts have a natural disposition to criminality. It's like saying Biths could have been a nation of weapon manufacturers

>>96492984
>t. Republic
>not sure if old, new, or empire, it changes so much who cares to even keep up ho ho ho

>>96486846 (OP)
>FaggotSpoon ship
>Yes we have turrets, but what about second turrets? And turretsies? And a nice turrety afternoon snack?

>>96486846 (OP)
I've been thinking about doing a new campaign set during tortanic era Sith Empire aligned.
Do you guys have any tips to not make it fall into a edgefest pitfall?

>>96493495
Isn't that the point of playing Sith?

Thanks to nerd/pop culture decor this sexy dude watched me take a piss.

>>96491790
The image that generally pops in my head of a conventional equivalent is something like the “unsinkable floating fortresses” that dominate warfare in the book 1984

>>96491758
A lot of Star Wars suffers from the classic "sci-fi writers have no sense of scale."
>>96491790
ISD would have to have rec centers and other options for crew downtime, but I doubt much, if any, civilian life on board.
Now, there absolutely would be a full complement of civilian administrations on a Dreadnought like the Executor.

>>96493495
Take light side choices during dialogues.

>>96486917
Every single Imperial Capital ship is designed to be capable of launching TIE Fighters. If anything they love carriers too much. I’m kind of amazed they didn’t try to slap a hanger on the Imperial Raider.

>>96493495
Play the base game SW and go lightside while taking notes. LS aligned with sith cultural attributes is totally unexplored outside of TOR (even then it's a miniscule amount) and like one or two lines of lore for the Sorcerers of Tund. If you want to put in the extra effort try get your version of the TOR Empire to be more like the actual prior Sith Empires instead of being the Galactic Empire Now With 900000 more sith.

>>96494299
Plenty of militaries have a big civilian administration backing them, at nearly 50,000 people I think some of the admin would have to be on board, it can't all stay at sector headquarters or Coruscant or wherever. Smaller than a SSD but I think it'd be there. You might also get a couple of media crews (carefully curated because they need to keep up the propaganda), as well as civilian scientists along for the ride to do research on something or another in collaboration with the Imperial Navy (which there's no reason to disallow, because the more connection and integration the more the Empire and Palpatine's military can insert itself into control positions, especially if they're along to test some new weapons).

why is time measured in relation to the battle of Yavin? it's just kind of dumb, I mean surely a galaxy whose largest government is thousands of years old would have it's own calendar.
>>96494299
>A lot of Star Wars suffers from the classic "sci-fi writers have no sense of scale."
yeah I noticed that when watching the OT, the rebellion was constantly moving from a single planet to a single planet, Alderaan, Yavin, Hoth, etc.. made it feel smaller than it actually was desu

>>96496751
They do have a calendar, look into the Great ReSynchronization. Granted, that system is only put in place about three years before The Phantom Menace.

Measuring time from Yavin is meant to be for our benefit. Everything is a prequel, sequel, or spinoff to A New Hope, so things get labeled by where they relate to that movie in the timeline.

>>96486846 (OP)
I seek guidance, anons. Building a character for a campaign i'm joining. FFG, Old Republic era setting, analogous to TORtanic, the idea is a Republic trooper/navy operator. Close quarters boarding action style combat training, with additional training with more operator style skills. Think stealth, sabotage, infiltration, maybe with the flavor of embedding himself on enemy held planets, helping set up friendly locals with comms, equipment, and better organization to fight the Sith.

Basically the idea is og MAC-V-SOG/French Resistance In Space. I've got about 310 xp after the species pool to work with. My plan with start with Commando and branch into Trailblazer, that'd cover the kill house and overland stuff pretty well, but I'm not too sure where I could go from there to get a handle on the more technical aspects of the idea. Saboteur maybe. Species pool, I'm going base Human, bumping my AG to 4 and CUN to 3, giving me 10 left for skills

>>96497796
Are you the kind who rallies others to fight? Might want to put some points into Presence. Or are you more of a Rambo type, that just wants to take the fight to the enemy? Put additional points in Brawn.

As far as talent trees, Saboteur if you're going Rambo. Otherwise, Infiltrator and Scout trees under the Spy career also seem like they'd fit your idea.

>>96487731
Master of the force should be reserved for Jedi Masters only (or Anakin/Luke for obvious reasons). I mean its called MASTER of the force. Easy fix would just be calling it Jedi Master, or Jedi Master General but the latter doesn't quite roll off the tongue. Yeah I'm just being autistic about flavour, customisable Jedi are cool.

>>96496751
>yeah I noticed that when watching the OT, the rebellion was constantly moving from a single planet to a single planet, Alderaan, Yavin, Hoth, etc.. made it feel smaller than it actually was desu
I never understand this mentality desu. Are people really so lacking in conscious creative thought that they can only ever comprehend things that are directly shown and explained to them on-screen? I watched the OT on VHS as an 8+ year old kid and even then it was patently obvious to me that we were only watching one small part of a much larger conflict, because even in the context of an heroic fantasy the notion a few hundred dudes and a princess could fight a meaningful conflict against a galaxy-spanning Empire was farcical nonsense. Some people evidently consider the EU to have "retconned" the films, but that's retarded as are they - it merely confirmed what people with an IQ above 7 had already concluded themselves.

>>96497835
I think I'm going to be the rally type. He's got to be at least somewhat inspiring/good to follow if his job prior to game time was essentially getting strangers in high stress environments to listen to and learn from him. Rambo's fun, and extra Brawn is great and all for a bunch of stuff, but hopefully I'll be able to have at least one Parry-maxed Jedi between me and whoever wants to kill me. between buddies and stuff from the Trailblazer tree, I *should* theoretically be as safe as if I were to pump extra points into Brawn.

Between Infiltrator and Scout, I think Scout might be better, or at least it looks more my personal speed, not to mention the Disorient synergy with Trailblazer. I do still like the idea of Saboteur, but I'll backburner that until I completely run out of other things to spend XP on, if that ever happens.

Thank's for the advice anon

>>96498203
Good luck with your TOR adventures.

Just finished the OT for the first time fully and I loved them, classic late 70s sci fi adventure, both ANH and ESB were really good, RotJ is kind of held back by some mild cringe like some parts of the Jabba arc and the entire concept of the ewoks. I don't know where to go now, I could watch the prequels but RotS is the only one that's even remotely good.

>>96499291
Crazy to me that people don't start Star Wars with the OT, or that they take so long to watch it when they are into star wars. What star wars content have you been digesting before this? I'm not insulting just curious.

>>96504106
oh a ton over the past 20 years, first true introductions would be like the lego Star wars games and battlefront for the ps2 along with of course the Filoni clone wars show. It's this is the first time I've fully sat through the original movies and not just watched a few scenes here and there either on tv or on youtube. just a few months back I played Jedi Fallen Order and it was a breath of fresh air when compared to the usual miasma of fotm e-celeb slop pushed nowadays

>>96504106
I've always found it fascinating how differently people perceive the story of Star Wars if they originally saw it in chronological order rather than release order.

The prequels are absolutely wild if you go into it not know that Palpatine is going to become the Emperor or that Anakin is going to be Darth Vader (or even that the Republic is going to turn into the Empire), and you have this gradual realization that Sidious and Palpatine are the same guy as you watch the cheerful, innocent kid from Ep.1 turn into a brutal killer. And for that matter, the OT is completely different if you go into it already knowing that Vader is Luke's father, with Obi-wan and Yoda seemingly like cynical liars manipulating Luke into being their pawn. Instead of the OT being a classic lighthearted adventure story with a surprise plot twist, followed by a prequel trilogy that's a sort of formulaic Greek tragedy, you get this incredibly grim, strange story that feels more like something out of Game of Thrones than the way earlier generations experienced Star Wars.

haha oh no dooku sent his big titty assassin to kill me whatever will I do? haha

>>96490610
There should be a Super Star Destroyer/Star Dreadnought per one region of the Galaxy for the whatever Admiral works with Great Moff of the region, and optionally for other high ranked officers that earned such a ship, like how Zsinj was an Admiral that also had titular rank of Warlord of the Empire and was also a Moff.

>>96504267
It's not a greek tragedy if Anakin's an evil asshole that deserves what he gets t. read all 3 major tragedians and actually really like greek tragedy.
I've probably responded to you before

>>96504189
>20 years of star wars and didn't watch the OT

>>96504498
A decade of cloneshit post Ep.3, and another decade of mosty abysmal Disney movies and shows.

All l wanted was waifus and starfigters.

>>96504315
Week-long extreme meditation sessions.

I want to have sex with goth-like star wars alien women, is that so much to ask?

>>96506956
Remember, we can't have nice things.

>>96506222
What sort of waifu were you after? There are some obvious best ones.

>>96504481
Eh I'd argue most could do with having battlecruisers like Allegiances. Executor being even rarer is IMO important because above anything else it's recognizably Vader's ship, and that needs to stay, so having few Executors makes Vader having one much more special.

What is the reasoning behind the complete lack of any media in the Old Republic era? It's ez bucks for the mouse and also something that the fans want

>>96507698
KotOR is a sacred cow and any attempt to work with a Revan or similar was lambasted. TOR is the closest and despite being called Tortanic when it started it's become a decent success. It's also the last Legends timeline media being updated.

>>96507753
SWTOR is in a weird spot where it's technically part of the pre-Disney buyout EU, but came in so late that none of the game's events, or even the existence of yet another Sith Empire (that would be the 4th or 5th, depending on how you count them, I think?) between Revan's Sith and the New Sith Wars, ever got referenced in any other material, and then it kept getting updated after the buyout and EU purge, meaning its story is not canon to the current EU but is technically canon with the original EU despite coming out after all of that was declared non-canonical.
It's probably just best to treat it as its own pocket-continuity. A bunch of the later stuff like the whole Eternal Empire arc went pretty heavily off the rails from the normal status quo (I also suspect the game was originally going to end with that arc so they decided to end it with a bang, with your character ending in control of an entire faction separate from the Republic and the Empire, complete with a fleet of automated super-battleships. Hence the next expansion having to do a hasty reset to status quo by blowing up your entire fleet and forcing you to go back to working for the Republic or Empire).

>>96507698
only retarded fans want it, no-one who actually likes old republic stuff wants disney to touch it

>>96486846 (OP)
>Ass Bridge
truly the trashiest of Tramp Cruisers

>>96507698
>>96507753
they're teasing lego fans with him, having him Cameo in the rebuild the galaxy show even though he's one of the THE rarest minifigs ever made, only made as a gift with purchase waaay back when the MMO got sets

>>96508780
apparently he doesn't talk so they're never gonna address if revan is a man or a woman just for the shits and giggles
make him a woman in this just for the chud reaction

>>96508830
but he's a silent antagonist

>>96508880
*she's

>>96508830
Jedi Jesus and Feman for the true power couple

>>96507066
Sort of like this Dathomiran.
Also one Twi'lek and a B-wing Mk 2.

>>96508830
>>96508780
I thought Revan got canonized as female and the Exile from KOTOR2 as male.

>>96510024
Oh, those are Disney.

>>96511194
Or maybe the other way round?

>>96511501
I like that M. Bison is there too.

>>96511194
The other way. Revan is male, the Exile is female.

>>96511615
It's a Republic officer there to see the controlled space slug superweapon.

Space elves also have a high chance of cuckolding Darth Malak.

>>96510024
>B-wing Mk 2
the EC Henry thing? As in you want to be locked into some kind of hotbunking scenario with a Twi'lek and asian looking Datho. Sicko

>>96511738

Do you think he made Zayne Carrick #1 on his hitlist when Revan lopped his jaw off and turned him into half-vader?

>>96511738
>all I want is to create the perfect space slug weapon
>not for power
>not for evil
>but for good

>>96513081
If you had your waifu taken from you so blatantly, would you put Zayne at #1?

>>96512140
>the EC Henry thing?
It's in two or so shots in Ep.9, and it's just about the only thing from the ST that is not awful.
I don't know who made the model used in this render.

>>96512140
>you want to be locked into some kind of hotbunking scenario with a Twi'lek and asian looking Datho. Sicko

>>96511501
>those are Disney.

>>96504267
Star Wars EU after Endor makes it even more Game of Thrones if you think about it. The Vong are the White Walkers. Coruscant is King's Landing. Regions of the Galaxy are Kingdoms. Warlord Dominions are Houses. The Republic are the the special snowflake characters like Tyrion and Arya.

I mean the Thrawn's Revenge mod turns this shit into Hearts of Iron.

Raptor Trooper gf.

>>96499045
She needs to be blue or pastel pink.

>>96522158
That is very colorist. Green Twi'leks need to be lewded, too.

>>96504267
I agree, Empire Day is much more impactful, a lot more happens on that day.

Clone Wars End, Jedi attempt a coup and get purged, Republic is dissolved and Empire formed, Padme dies, Luke and Leia are born, and Luke and Leia are born.

>>96523361
Blue is superior for twi'leks. I'm not sure why, it just is.

>>96486994
>Of course, the issue is now in theory cruise missiles have way higher ranger than even jet planes do, and are much logistically simpler, which could in theory completely invalidate Carriers, but this hasn't been tested yet.

Carriers aren't strictly just for ship to ship battle nowadays tho, sure a cruise missile can level a target, but having full air dominance is key in war and a carriers can get you that

>>96528909
>3 base courage on the operative
>same base health
Damn, the Commander STD is getting mogged hard, he'll need some killer doctrines or be really cheap if he wants to get picked over Kalani, Kraken and the Operative STD.
Especially with the CIS commander slot being filled with both great options (Dooku, Kraken, Kalani) and dirt cheap options (Poggle and the Tactical Droid).
>>96528917
>Command Vehicle 2
Courage 2 bubble I guess?
>Mobile
Probably Move after Attacking?
>These attack pools
Damn, that's pretty great
>Entourage: More wheel bikes
Wow, that will make for some spammy lists.

Who is your EU waifu?

Did you know that the Naboo Royal Starship only has one bed for the queen and her (at least) 6 handmaidens?

What if TIE but really fast?

>>96529189
Raith, we're worried about you.

>>96529132
good taste, anon. I´ll go with the boring answer

>>96529161
Did you know that there's no bathroom on an X-Wing?

>>96529359
Bring me more spice and Twi'lek bitches

>>96529132
I can fix her.

>>96530515
I can’t.

So how did General Kenobi and the Republic handle the Battle of Muunilinst?

>>96499291
>Craving more star wars adventures
>Prequels while cool and all are more Greek tragedy than space adventure (plus I am not sitting through the phantom menace)
>same can be said for it's EU works (both multimedia and Filoni)
where do I go from here? Hyperion? DUNE? Foundation? I need something to fill that classic sci fi itch

>>96531411
okay fuck it I'm watching the phantom menace and dear god Jar Jar binks is just as annoying as everyone says he was, plus the CGI has NOT held up

>>96531535
The CGI didn't look good in 1999.
It gets props for being a pioneer in CGI, but George put the CGI in the spotlight before the technology was ready for that level of scrutiny.

I forgot how bad the age gap was between Padme and Anakin was

>>96531645
>bad
You misspelled "based"

okay this entire podracing arc is honestly the best shit I've seen a while not gonna lie

>>96531862
The podracing game on the N64 is one of the best Star Wars vidya, too.

>>96531887
>IT'S A NEW LAP RECORD!

just finished TPM and holy shit the Jedi Council are jerks, Yoda and Mace especially. it's no wonder Anakin was willing to kill them all when palpatine finished grooming him.

>>96532222
If you think they're bad now, just wait for the next two movies. These are some of the dumbest motherfuckers in all of fiction.

>>96531535
No shit Sherllock.
Go and watch the version where they cut all Gungan scenes.
You wil realize they add nothing to the story and cost valuable screen time.

>>96531862
Which could, for example, give us more Tattooine scenes.

>>96532222
It is best to tune out the attempts at political intrigue and Jedi Council shenanigans.
GL really lacked a tard wrangler while writing this.
I am pretty sure this is why so many OT fans rejectedd the prequels.

>>96529105
Remember that Operatives cannot give courage to your other troopers
Pretty sure the courage 3 is here so he can spam Aid without consequences. I also kinda wish he had Aid: AI unit because the only competitive droid troopers that are actually here to fight are b2s.

>>96532783
True, but as an Auxiliary Command Droid, it probably gets a command slot to use Inspiring Presence and share its courage like a commander.
Though to be honest, courage sharing isn't as much of an issue for CIS as for other factions. Droidekas, Aqua droids and every other vehicles don't give a shit while droid troopers can't get suppressed and Courage 2 heroes like Grievous, Kraken or Ventress mostly care about getting suppressed but rarely get panicked.
To be fair, Override and as you said Aid: droid trooper are kinda useless keywords for now, especially when compared to Kraken and Kalani's exemplar.
Still, as with the other generics, it's their Doctrines and Gears that'll make or break them. Flamer and Electrostaff are cool but very short-ranged and their R3 dice pool isn't amazing.

>>96532469
The Jedi being awful was intentional. Don't believe Filonifag's bullshit about George always intending them to be good, if you watch the films it's so painfully obvious that that was a later retcon done under TCW and the Jedi Order in the PT was intentionally meant to be incompetent and blinded by their ego.

>>96533147
Retard.

>>96533147
Lots of plot and setting details in the prequal trilogy, from the chaotic senate where the militarized corporations openly have a vote to the Jedi bumbling, is supposed to make you think "Yup, these sure are the last days of the republic"

>>96532222
Council did nothing wrong.

>George is one of those idiot savants that is notorious for having ideas he's too smart to really execute on. The prequels are actually really amazing explorations of some deep themes, they're just done poorly. Anakin is born a slave and as a slave he is forced to rigidly adhere to an arbitrary authority that is imposed on him. Everyone sort of lives with some exposure to this. There are rigid laws we are all ideally expected to adhere to, but in practice the real art of living is knowing how and when to deviate from these laws. Anakin due to his origins as a slave is petrified of deviating from these laws (his upbringing involved being blown up if you disobeyed) and this sets up the whole chain of events in the series.

>Qui-Gon is clearly an expert in paying tribute to the laws while freely disobeying them and doing whatever he wants in the end anyway. Obi-Wan has some trouble with this when he's younger and can't wrap his head around Qui-Gon not really seeming like he gives a shit about being on the Jedi Council. Qui-Gon dies and Anakin misses his chance at being taught by someone who could maybe help him lighten up and be the actual good chosen one everyone thought he could be. If Qui-Gon was his master and Anakin wanted to fuck Padme, Qui-Gon would probably laugh and say "fuck it man, go ahead lol." If Anakin felt it was necessary to rescue his mother, what would Qui-Gon have said? (Don't forget that during AotC Mace Windu clearly thinks he's ready for a solo mission, the trust issues didn't emerge until several years into the Clone Wars and Anakin becoming more and more erratic.) Obi-Wan was a bit more of a tightass, but even he clearly indulged in things like alcohol or its equivalent as demonstrated when he and Anakin end up in a bar and he decides he's going to order shots while waiting for somebody to try and shoot him.

>>96532222
>>96533512
And let us not fail to point out the likelihood from TCW that Obi-Wan has his own illegitimate son with Satine, though admittedly he shows no indication of being aware of the fact.

And it really doesn't stop there. Dooku is no longer a part of the order and what was his punishment? Well, nothing actually. The Jedi don't really carry out punishments for minor infractions or violations of the code and in fact they seem to make exceptions to it quite frequently, not least of which is including letting Anakin be trained and letting Obi-Wan defiantly say he'll train Anakin regardless of what the order says. They don't just go "Obi-Wan you're under arrest!" So there are two worlds portrayed in the prequels. The actual world everyone lives in and the hyper rigid tightass world that Anakin thinks everyone else is living in.

This all finally blows up when Mace Windu has Palpatine seemingly defeated and Anakin spergs out and says "it's not the Jedi way!" It isn't technically, but everyone but Anakin understands you don't have to rigidly adhere to every letter of the law at all times. Even right before that Anakin spergs out when Palpatine tells him to not be constrained by the rigid ways of the Jedi (who aren't really that rigid it turns out). Anakin's whole thing is that he can't escape the influence of his origins despite the world around him screaming at him to lighten up. He is the only one trying to follow the rules which are such that no one can really follow them 100% of the time and when he inevitably fails to follow them, he does in fact "blow up" in some sense because no one has taught him how to navigate life in a normal way.

The prequels were too busy, but there were some really interesting themes and ideas that could have made Anakin's story a lot more intriguing.

>>96529132
She's the cutest.

>>96531645
That shit never happend.

>tfw all of these characters were basically just Glup shittos before all the novels, comics, and cartoons made us care about them
weird

>>96531645
4 years?

>>96533702
Well, Yoda's there. People cared about him already since he was in the OT.
Also, isn't the definition of Glup Shitto specifically a random background character that has a novel's worth of backstory that only the fans know? The original meme is how SW fans will point out some random alien in the background of a scene and go "oh my god, it's my favorite character Glup Shitto!" because while the character means nothing to the average viewer he's the star of some obscure comic or novel that all the fans know about.
So the comics and novels elevated them from background extra into Glup status.

>>96531645
I seem to recall an interview where Spielberg had to talk Lucas out of having Padme and Annakin consumate their marriage. Supposedly Lucas thought it would have been "funny". but even Spielberrg figured out that it would most likely be a very, very bad idea.

>>96533709
Imagine seeing a high schooler goading a elementary school ki- wait hold on
>>96533740
yeah but at when this point most of the Characters we're just in the background, most without even known names, just kind of surreal seeing them standing there existing without being actual characters.
>>96533770
>Supposedly Lucas thought it would have been "funny". but even Spielberrg figured out that it would most likely be a very, very bad idea.
That'd be funny if it's actually true, but it makes sense why Anakin became so obsessive and insanely emotional, victims of that sort of thing tend to be not the most mentally stable growing up

>>96533794
It would also have been in somewhat poor taste.
And I doubt the audiences would have gotten much of a laugh out of it.
However, even it it just happened out of shot/behind the scenes, I agree with you. It would explain a lot Anakin's behavioural patterns.

>>96533702
You are a big fat retarded faggot.

>>96533770
>Anakin got groomed by Padme
>groomed by Palpatine
>failed grooming attempt by the Jedi
No wonder he turned out like he did

>>96534623
Don't forget groomed by Watto. Did you see a Mrs Watto anywhere? Do you think the nights never get cold on Tatooine?

>>96533702
This is why the initial reception of the PT was so poor.

There was a world, but it was largely an empty canvas.
It was filled with blank characters that required a decade of comics, novels and cartoons to really flesh out.

man, this entire arc was incredibly dark, imagine carrying your mother's dead body for hours after you massacred an entire tribe of desert nomads for torturing her for a whole month, all while your masters actively refused to free your own mother from literal slavery for an entire decade because the planet she was on wasn't directly controlled by the bureaucrats your supposed order of warrior monks pretends not to directly serve.

wait I thought Palp's right hand guy's head tentacles were boney, they look like penises in this scene

>>96533702
>He didn't think that Ploo was cool as fuck just from looking at him

>>96533147
This is the opposite of the truth. George said the Jedi of the prequels "are the most moral of anybody in the galaxy." It's Disneyshit that constantly tries to undermine and degrade the Jedi.

>>96534795
>>96535030
Do you think if Toydarians weren't immune to mind tricks that Qui-Gon would have made Watto let Anakin's mother go with him, or still left her there?

And here come the Clones, Interesting how we get to see Acclimators before venators

alright ep2 done, time to enter the multi-media project

>>96532222
The poetic irony of the prequels is that everything the Council said was actually correct, including warning Anakin that he was not ready to be a Master and that passion leads to the Dark Side. But the Council themselves failed to uphold the Code they preached and failed to show Anakin that they really did care, they were just so busy fighting the war to save the Republic that they let him slip through the cracks. All Palpatine had to do was lure Obi-Wan away to take out Grievous and he had the perfect chance to corrupt Anakin.

>>96535055
Venators pre TCW were considered a late war ship with the Victories bring in service before them. Now of course it's Accys and Venators fighting throughout with the Victory and ISD being late to end war.

>>96533702
Wait, even Papa Palps?

>>96529132
Forever in my heart. Shame Knight Errant era never took off back in the EU days

>>96535233
Alright, Done with the 2003 Clone wars show, Should I read the Republic comics or just move to ROTS?

>>96536496
Watch all of the CGI Clone Wars. And accept that Genndywars is just in-universe propaganda.

>>96536563
Other way around.

>>96536496
Read the Republic comics and Labyrinth of Evil before ROTS.

>>96536637
Nice try. genndywars was never canon.

>>96536637
This.

>>96534795
Shmi was freed like a year at most after Anakin left.

>>96536666
Quads of trvth.

>>96535030
George changes his opinions on the fly. The Prequels very much portray the Jedi as extremely flawed and complicit in Anakin's downfall. Also Disneyslop generally makes the Jedis good except in TLJ. Every other piece of media just makes the Jedi one-dimensional heroes with zero flaws

>>96536496
Disregard this >>96536563 because it's a big commitment that's only going to feel incongruous if you don't dip into a few of it's surrounding pieces before going into ROTS. Reading the Republic comics can help give some detail for the war but it runs into and after ROTS. Do read Labyrinth of Evil like >>96536648 said.
This website's good for figuring out when to watch ROTS between readings
https://www.starwarstimeline.net/Originalclonewars.htm

just discovered imperial assault the other day.
should I play through it with a gf?

>>96536700
George has been consistent for 50 years that Jedi are the good guys. Disney put out The Acolyte which was written as a hit piece on the Jedi by the admission of its creator.

>>96536648
>>96536563
>>96536709
Too late, I'm watching ROTS and an hour in, though I will read both things you recommended.

>>96537034
man, I already knew this scene was a big deal but finally watching it after watching all the other stuff before hand is truly an experience

And with that, I am done with the complete saga, that was really good

>>96537459
I'm glad you enjoyed the experience. Personally, for the PT I've always rated it as 1 > 3 > 2.

>>96536750
Ack-olyte is an anomaly. Are the Jedi portrayed as evil in Bad Batch, Tales of the Jedi, Rebels? Are they portrayed as evil in RoSW where they unite to destroy Palpatine? Are they portrayed as evil in Kenobi or Ahsoka? No.

Also I never denied them being good. However, the Prequel Jedi are flawed and this is something obviously seen in the PT which leads to Luke's arc of rebuilding the Jedi Order. If the PT Jedi weren't flawed, not only would Anakin not have fallen but Luke's arc would be pointless at best, or just a self-improvement story which goes against what the OT shows. Lucas intended the Jedi to be ultimately good, but flawed with issues that Luke eventually fixes. Much like with other things he changed his opinion around the time of TCW, likely as a direct response to controversies around Karen Traviss' interpretation of the Jedi. Putting the Jedi in TCW as perfect noble heroes with few flaws was something he did in order to counteract her novels.

>>96536723
It's really good, but imo it's best played with a group of 3-6 players.
But 2 people can make it work, it's a fun game.

Which TRPG should I invest time in?
Leaning towards the 3e d20 because it was what was out when we were kids and getting started on D&D but if the new ones have considerable pros I'd like to hear it.

>>96533070
I like your Anakin-Vader, anon :))
Is it for an order 66 anakin or for what-if-Ani-killed-Palpatine Empire?

>>96534843
I think you are gay but still inside of the closet.

>>96539008
Bit of both, my clones are mostly painted in shiny or Coruscant guard colors with ARCs in an Elit Squad Trooper scheme for that late Republic/early Empire feel, and I feel he could still stand in as Vader when my Empire starter comes in.
To be honest I'm not entirely happy with Vader-Anakin. I wanted to avoid black on black so I wanted his undersuit to be a dark red shade of black while his armor went with a dark blue shade but both ended up too 'light'.
Still, I feel the face ended up looking fairly well and painting Sith eyes is good training, even if I plateau at the 'big animu eyes looking to the side' level of skill.

>>96538653
it depends heavily on what kind of game you want to play

>>96536660
This.
>>96536683
Quads of deceive more like, Lord Satan.

>>96536660
This, thank god battle of Muunilinst and Dantooine and ambush on Yavin 4 is non-canon.

>>96539126
>>96539130
Samefag

>>96539173
I never presumed nor acted otherwise, my dumb ignorant newfag.

>>96539391
>heh I'm retarded, got you!
k

>>96539619
>heh I'm retarded
No you, dumb ape.

Opinions on how General Windu handled the Battle of Dantooine?

>>96540295
He could’ve done it all himself, clones were jobbers as usual

>>96540303
Were all the clones just wiped out or something?

>>96540303
Fucking Gennedy Wars as usual.

>>96529132
Droma, Han Solo friend in the aftermath of Chewbacca's death and ys I know he isn;t a girl

Shalom anyone?

>>96540295
>Dantooine
Wait the giant Stomp-o-tron battle was on Dantooine? damn, wonder what happened to the jedi Enclave from the kotor days

>>96543802
It's a big planet.

How does one Try to make the clone wars show merge with the MMP? some things like the inhibitor chips could be ignore but things like the existense of Ahsoka and Maul might require some work

>>96544041
You _______________________________________________________________________________________________________don't_______________________________________________________________________________

>>96513081
>Revan lopped his jaw off and turned him into half-vader?
kek

>>96544041
>pic
but that's literally why I love homeworld

>>96529132
It's literally impossible to choose a single woman in star wars much less the EU.

but i fixed her once and i will fix her again.

>>96529132
I can't fix her. She's already perfect.
Aside from losing to the rabbit.

FUck it, I'd fuck the rabbit too.

>>96513081
The reason Malak failed to stop Revan during the events of KotOR was because Malak dedicated 90% of the Star Forge's forces to getting revenge on Zayne

>>96531535
Jar-Jar is only really 'that' bad in Phantom Menace. Otherwise in every other appearance he's inoffensive.
>>96532222
I think the only reason anyone thinks Mace Windu isn't the epitome of everything wrong with the Jedi is that he's played by Samuel L. Jackson. Like he's still really cool, however it's like he's the incarnation of an entrenched political class.
>>96533512
I maintain the Jedi's problem was that they tried playing a middle ground with Anakin. They very inconsistently tried to hold him to account for the rules. They constantly treated him like an exception, so he kept acting like an exception, and when rules were enforced, he felt they were done so arbitrarily. From his point of view, the rules were very selectively enforced on him because they were.
>>96533702
I live for that shit. Like I think it really helps sell the scene where Mace-Windu tries to arrest Palpatine that he did bring two actually goated Jedi with him (and a jobber), and he still manages to merc them.
>>96534843
He just wasn't feeling the moment is all.
>>96535030
I think this is a both are true thing.

I view the Jedi foremostly as an institution before they are an order of space-wizards. They essentially act like the Fed's, in essence making sure all the rules of the Republic are followed, and mediating disputes. Basically stepping in whenever the regular legal means like issuing fines doesn't work.

It can be both then true that this institution was subject to corruption, dirty politics, rigid thinking, and contributing to an untennable system that led to the Republics collapse- while also being a central pillar of that system keeping the whole thing running and sliding off a cliff.

The problem with governments and nitwits that think they know how to run it better is that it's real easy to come up with critique, it's real difficult to come up with solutions. And a bad system is preferable to no system.

He just wanted to help his people.

imagine if the sequels were like this

>>96548439
The story in that game was not especially good and making Kyle Katarn into a Luke Skywalker clone (because only Jedi can be protagonists in Star Wars) was a bad choice.

>>96548944
At least Kyle didn't HAVE to be a total goody two-shoes and could just blast his way through the levels. And you could go full dark side and take advantage of the branching storyline. I mean, there were only like two branches but still, it was revolutionary for the time.

>>96493495
Make it more ritualistic, go the way of old empires and mash them all together. Try to instill a moral system from the antiquity and have True Sith operate inside the bounds of that system. Make them more grey and draw clean lines of distinction between sith lords who are gigachad conquerors with some measure of honor and completely rotten schemers/deviants.
Have your players be torn between mastering the Dark Side (somewhat) and letting it consume them for easy power.
At least this is how I would run it.

Then I read you wanted to do TORtanic era and at that point just play them as Imperial goons in a Byzanthine labyrinth of intrigues, but instead of 1 Palpatine and Vader, there are thousands of them, but weaker.

>>96548439
Imagine if the sequels were placed in the immediate post FoTJ Galaxy focusing on the sequel movie characters with the vague mention-references to the greater EU.

>>96486846 (OP)
hey so dumb question: in the ffg rpg, when you're buying ranks in a skill, are you capped by the relevant attribute? ie, i've got Brawn 2 and 2 ranks in the Brawl skill, so can I buy more ranks in Brawl so long as I've got the exp for it, or do i need to increase my Brawn before I can put more ranks into Brawl?

>>96550206
>Make it more ritualistic, go the way of old empires and mash them all together.
What about recommending he does old Sith Empire era with Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, etc?

>>96507698
Disney isn't making Old Republic Era stuff while it's technically somehow alive through TOR. It IS what fans want, which is why Revan's in Lego Star Wars, mobile games, etc. For now, nothing in the Old Republic era contradicts Disney canon much given how far back it is. Disney could never do NJO or Legacy but for all intents and purposes they might as well just transplant everything unchanged.

The best Sith Troopers. They are actual Sith who are Troopers. And they have the best fashion.

>>96553379
One Sith were pure edgekino in everything. I loved them.

>>96553379
Stolen valor.

>>96553025
Nope, you can buy skills up to rank 5 at any time.

>>96553360
Well he can do that, but again he's going to run into the age old problem of actually running the Old Sith, whom mostly had aesthetics and sorcery going for them and not much else.
TOR requires far less legwork to pull off. however.

>>96550206
If you want make a Sith empire that's at least somewhat functional, I think Lana from SWTOR provides a good starting point when she explains her view of the Sith philosophy. There's nothing in the Sith code that states you have to be a backstabbing asshole, just that the strongest should lead and you should seek to become as strong as you can. Leadership shouldn't be the end-goal, but strength. If you are strong, then leadership comes naturally.
By that view the mistake a lot of Sith make is putting the cart before the horse and seeking a position of leadership while not possessing the strength to claim it legitimately, believing that leadership grants you strength when it should be the other way around. So a Sith empire that wants to avoid chronic backstabbing disorder should emphasize that leadership must be earned through strength, not underhanded means. If you can challenge the head honcho to a duel and beat him in an open fight, then you've earned his position. If you stab him in the back when he isn't looking, you admit to being weaker than him (because if you really were stronger you could just have beaten him in a proper fight) and therefore unworthy of the position you're trying to claim.

Or you could just be Marka Ragnos and be the right combination of successful, popular, and strong that nobody can challenge you directly and those who want to conspire against you will get snitched on by their peers since they prefer you being power over the other guy. Problem with that is that then the empire would only remain stable as long as there was a Marka Ragnos on the throne, and very few Sith Lords have ever even come close to be able to fill his boots. The moment Ragnos died, his empire went to shit since none of his lieutenants were his equal.

>>96554449
That's just the problem with authoritarianism in general. You have to have a proper and groomed heir in case you croak, otherwise it all goes to shit as your heir isn't you, nor they can't fill in the shoes properly.

What the fuck happened to Shaak ti in the EU? she has the most death scenes in all of star wars and none are canon due either being cut from RotS or from games.
>>96554433
>>96554444
witnessed

>>96554677
She likes getting penetrated by hot rods

>>96548439
Love this game, fantastic atmosphere. Sanic speed Kyle is best Kyle

I don't think there is a person on this earth that has misunderstood the mortis arc harder than dave filoni

>>96548022
He did but things turned out differently.

I don't understand the contention with the whole Inhibitor chip thing, like I just kind of figured that the Kaminoans did something in the Clone's development to where they could easily be Sleeper agents for the Sith, and I'm not sure the masters of cloning and genetic manipulation that were the Kaminoans would just rely on simple mental conditioning for these orders. The Fives investigation and what they learned from the Sifo Dyas arc however, now that was stupid of the Jedi, and Filoni should be rightfully criticized for that misstep in his writing (one of many especially in the disney era).

>>96556188
The main issue seems to be people liked the idea of the 'good soldiers follow orders' line where the troopers just do what they are told. They're secret killers but just do their job. I personally don't mind the chip as it's another layer of tragedy for the clones and another tool that is used by Sheev to get what he wants, after which he discards them. Having clones grow up with their jedi commanders, form close bonds with them and then be forced to kill them when they can't control themselves is tragic. Especially as it's shown that it gave some of them PTSD.

>>96556207
>Having clones grow up with their jedi commanders, form close bonds with them
I liked it better when the clones were at odds with the Jedi and vice versa because, like they stated in the films, the Jedi aren't soldiers, and their dogma would often get in the way of strategic efficiency, which led to tension.
I don't like how a lot of that was replaced with bleeding heart sappyness that's just not very compelling or interesting in comparison, and feels like it's trying too hard to overly-victimize the clones.

>>96556291
>I liked it better when the clones were at odds with the Jedi and vice versa because, like they stated in the films, the Jedi aren't soldiers, and their dogma would often get in the way of strategic efficiency, which led to tension.
that sounds like your head canon as it was never portrayed like that in the films. Obi Wan seems to have a good bond with Cody for example

>>96556188
>I don't understand the contention with the whole Inhibitor chip thing
People are stupid as shit. Mfw I am upset that the clones who were told to have been genetically modified to be totally obedient without question end up being genetically modified to be totally obedient without question.
>and Filoni should be rightfully criticized for that misstep in his writing (one of many especially in the disney era).
He didn't write it, retard. He didn't come up with the idea for the arc and he didn't write the script. Send your angry mail to George Lucas and Christian Taylor.

>>96530515
I call her Admiral Cutie Honey in my head when I'm playing Empire at War Expanded. Always sad when I have to sink her Star Destroyer

>>96534633
>Don't forget groomed by Watto. Did you see a Mrs Watto anywhere? Do you think the nights never get cold on Tatooine?
dubs and also fun fact, Watto is actually female and his species' vaginas are their nose. It's true, look it up on Wookiepedia

>>96556318
>sounds like your head canon
Anyone who says this is typically upset that they're getting disagreed with.

>>96556291
Agreed, especially with that last part. That one scene from TCW that fans like to toss around with Plo Koon comforting his depressed troops is honestly kinda pathetic.

>>96556318
>>96556354
I don't need to write mail. George Lucas is a retard, plain and simple. He pivoted back against his own movies to go with RLM influence, lol.

Here's more truths for you;
George Lucas is a retard.
Grey Jedi are bullshit.
The Pellaeon-class is ugly as fuck and easily the worst EU design.
The Empire is a nation-state capable of good and evil in spite of Palpatine's own evil.

>>96556683
>>96556318
bro nta but there was literally no tension between the clones and the jedi in the movies or even the old EU, the clones always seemed to be perfectly loyal until the literal end when order 66 was declared. the only times I've seen clones and Jedi being distrustful is Ironically enough the TCW Umbara arc and a few minor ones from the early seasons

>>96556755
>there was literally no tension between the clones and the jedi... in the old EU
You should go back and look again.

>>96556750
Very interesting, Empireboo. Now face the wall.

>>96556750
Lucas is a businessman at the end of the day. He has good ideas for films but if they don't sell shite they aren't worth a damn. The PT was a great trilogy but it didn't sell well because of the bullshit anti-Prequel movement while TCW sold like hotcakes because it was intended for retarded kids who clapped when Rex kicked a droid or something.
Also based EmpireChad, keep on winning

>>96556800
>but it didn't sell well
The movies were funded by a deal with Pepsi so he paid very little to make millions. The toys themselves sold like hotcakes.

>>96556750
>Pallaeon-class
>worst design in the EU
I don't even care about the ship but come on, now.

>>96556871
I reply to the shitposter. If you can't tell that Pellaeonfag is also anti-EUfag and Greyfag, I'm sorry that you can't detect bait.
>>96556793
Won Coruscant three times. ;) Noblebright Republic is never going to stick. Sorry to say.
>>96556800
The movies actually sold incredibly well. Lucas is just very easy to have his mind change on something. There's very, very little things he has concrete thoughts on. Literally every interview is taken as gospel by retards, no matter how hard it contradicts itself, and is reposted by the shitposter here.

>>96557244
Gotta say, you've developed some impressive coping mechanisms, my friend.

>>96557244
Aren't they all the Filonifag that sucks off Lucas?

>>96557303
You're retarded just like every single thing you shitpost about. I'll repeat again, you are braindead lol.
>>96557342
Ventressfag may or may not be the same guy, needs confirmation.

>>96557342
Speaking of him, I went to check on his Twitter again for a good laugh and he deleted it. (Oy vey!)
Looks like Mr. glswarchives can dish it out but can't take it.

I think an important factor to why the Star Wars prequels saga were so divisive spiritually is that they confirmed that the Original Trilogy was in the “Bad Timeline” where literally everything went wrong. Most people didn’t get George’s intentions with the Prequels sadly.

>>96557928
The hell are you getting that from? The whole point of the originals is that an empire of space fascists controlled everything.

>>96556207
But you've nailed exactly the issue: it makes the Clone Wars about the tragedy of the *clones*, but it's supposed to be the tragedy of the *Jedi*. The Jedi's failure to grasp the reality of what an absolutely obedient soldier could mean. The Jedi's failure to keep to their own principles by participating in the war as commanders at all. The clones are meant to be the instrument that reveals the Jedi's fate, not the focus of the story - that's what TCW got wrong and that's why any right-thinking person who doesn't want to rim Rex's butthole dislikes chip-clones.

>>96558352
I think you suffer from 'great man history' syndrome. History happens to everyone. Would you complain about having a show with stormtrooper characters that shows their perspective?

>>96554433
baller

>>96558352
>supposed to be
Ugh, not according to the man who made Star Wars. Cute headcanon, anon. Too bad you're a stupid fag.

>>96558756
Go back to Twitter so we can bully you off it again.

>>96558788
Meant for >>96558756

>>96558788
Lol did you get bullied by a tranny? Oh no no no...

>>96557705
Lmao. All those years of 24/7 spamming people to desperately try and convince them TCW was good gone in the blink of an eye. How comical

>>96492369
>It is a one and done pointless ugly slop for normalfags
So it's Star Wars

>>96558756
Lucas is the most retarded man alive.

>>96556764
>You should go back and look again.
name 3 instances

>>96558352
>it makes the Clone Wars about the tragedy of the *clones*, but it's supposed to be the tragedy of the *Jedi*.
why can't it be both? Everyone suffered during these wars except one man.

>>96560001
Republic comics.
Dark Lord.
Jedi Trial.
Now go back.

>>96558788
>deleted

>>96558404
You are - and I say this with all due respect ie none whatsoever - a colossal fucking mong.

>>96560010
Because making it about both dilutes the impact and introduces inconsistencies and plotholes, which they then have to try and solve with retarded bullshit like brainchips.

>>96557975
Yeah,but that there was still hope and optimism that maybe it wasn't all that bad,but then it turns out it was all that bad. Like expecting a fart and instead it's a shart.

Bts

>>96560255
>>96560295
>>96560303
>>96560329
Gems.

>>96560255
Correct.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAkcolVxDy0

>FOR THE REPUBLIC

>>96560655
I still do not understand the demilitarizationpart of this shit. What is the reasoning and why am I asking because it's clear the people in charge have no idea.

>>96560667
Disney writers are secretly chuds that want to prove a point about democracy always failing

>>96560690
Nah, they're just stupid.
GL was thinking about a Weimar Germany (or 1920s Italy) kind of situation where democracy fails and a charismatic anti-democrat gets elected.

The whole ST thing is just idiocy because they can't write, have no fucking clue how things work.
So we get cardboard cut-out characters and shallow pop-culture references because uhm well 'member how that worked in Captain Iron Man?

>>96560331
ID'd Even
>>96560655
#FehlingerDoctrine

>>96560690
The Republics in Star Wars are barely democratic. They're more like oligarchies, in practice.

>>96562861
Correct.
>>96560804
>GL was thinking about a Weimar Germany (or 1920s Italy) kind of situation where democracy fails and a charismatic anti-democrat gets elected.
Are you talking about his sequel trilogy ideas or the prequels?
>>96556750
>The Empire is a nation-state capable of good and evil in spite of Palpatine's own evil.
Yeah, the Empire, just like the Republics before and after it, is a government. A government will inevitably end up doing some good things along with the bad, each peppered between a great mass of things with no particular morality to them.

>>96563635
>Are you talking about his sequel trilogy ideas or the prequels?
The whole 'failing democracy' thing is from the prequels, though GL shat the bed with how shallow TPM and AotC were.

GLs ideas for the ST were largely ignored by the JJ, and RJ just did some kind of movie and had Star Wars props thrown in at random.

>>96560166
Watch this statement not get quantified.
>>96560667
They say the in-universe reason is A. people were getting tired of the war, B. people were skeptical of a strong Republic government after the last one.

My fan-fix: Say the CIS were threatening to secede again cause they are little shits, so trying to appease them to keep them in the coalition led to lots of bad decision making.
>>96560690
I think it's less Disney more JJ Abrams. His problem was in trying to do homage without thinking continuity matters. To him Star Wars is a series of motifs and scenes, not a coherent world that exists off camera. To him Star Wars has no deeper themes on Fascism or Democracy, it has a bunch of bad guy action figures fighting good guy action figures. Yeah- sure there are some Nazi motifs. But the Nazis are just some guys from a history textbook, and not representative of an ideology that people believe in.

There needs to be a word for this kind of thinking. Liberals who grow up in liberalism who don't believe in liberalism because they think it's the default form of society, and doesn't need defending because it can never be truely threatened. Cause that's what landed us in this modern hellscape.
>>96564131
Dude just say George.

>>96565844
JJ really wasn't the right one for the job anyway.

The sequels didn't even have all the toys ready in time. Disney didn't preemptively make baby yoda toys even though it's obvious there'd be a demand. The irony is Disney can't even corporate greed right.

>>96560255
>FOR DA REPOOOBLIC
FOR DA REPOOOBLIC
>FOR DA REPOOOBLIC
FOR DA REPOOOBLIC
>FOR DA REPOOOBLIC
FOR DA REPOOOBLIC

>>96566081
OK I understand the criticism, but blaming JJ for the utter idiocy of Paramount's C-suite is too much.
'It was a financial success, but not ENOUGH of a success' is just luncay.

Yeah, JJ's writing is sub-par, hist mystery boxes are a bad joke, all that is correct.
But: In the context of the ST the ones to be blamed are the Disney people who failed to ensure a coherent story was in place before they started filming.

What the fuck does a Cunning 5 droid look like?

Can the average joe jedi defend themselves against a slug thrower shotgun?

>>96567743
Function precedes form. What were they created for?

>>96568258
I don't know what the """correct""" answer is, but my answer is No.

>>96567743
I feel a droid purpose-built for high cunning would like some kind of small probe droid or a remote.
Droids built for stuff like espionnage, surveillance and recon if made for polic/military/criminal use while a civilian model would be more like one of those drones used for surveys that would be sold as helpers to clueless colonists or Wild Space explorers.
Imo, good examples would be:
>Maul's DRK Sith probes from TPM
>something that looks like Bao-Dur's remote from KotOR II
>Imperial Seeker probe droids like the ones used by Seventh Sister and Iden Versio (pic related)
>BD droids like the one used by Cal Kestis, I could see some of them being more geared toward wilderness survival than parkour
For a droid that developped into a Cunning expert outside of its programming, I think Goto from KotOR II is the perfect example.

>>96567198
Its kind of a chicken and egg situation.

I can appreciate their 'leave it to the directors' mentality, but hiring JJ to write the script is insane. Like direct sure, he can direct well enough, does good camerawork. But to spear head the premise of the trilogy when the man thinks his job is to trick you into buying movie tickets is insane.

>>96567198
>'It was a financial success, but not ENOUGH of a success' is just luncay.
If you see the expectations of the companies who make them, that's exactly what they think. They want growth each time and the charts to look like an upward staircase. This is why Age of Ultron was considered a failure though it grossed more than enough. Many future flaws of the sequels can be traced to TFA's crap foundation so he definitely didn't set them up right.

>>96571460
NTA but while yes, JJ setting up his mystery boxes wasn't that well done, his biggest failure was setting them up without writing out what was in those mystery boxes before he started the films.
Which then let RJ intentionally shit all over the mysteries and lore of the sequels, giving them next to nowhere to go afterwards except "Somehow..."

>>96571505
Indeed, that's a big problem with JJ. I've been highly critical about the mystery box style for many, many reasons. Like obsessing so much about the mystery that the inevitable reveal never gets thought, or overhyping shit so much that even a good reveal is disappointing because it doesn't live up to the hype and may be impossible to. But things like Luke's Jedi Order being destroyed, wiping out the New Republic via Starkiller so it's practically reversing the setting to OT Rebels vs Empire, Rey being so strong at the end of TFA, many problems were crap foundation regardless of what direction they took and would've taken too skilled a writer to un-fuck his mess. Whatever people say about NJO or Legacy, it's not an OT clone.

>>96571505
>JJ setting up his mystery boxes wasn't that well done, his biggest failure was setting them up without writing out what was in those mystery boxes
There is nothing in the mystery boxes. He literally has a TED talk about this uploaded to YT where he just says he doesn't care what is inside, he doesn't think about it.
This concept is like radioactive posion to worldbuilding, to storytelling and especially to an overarcing story in a trilogy.

>>96563635
>Yeah, the Empire, just like the Republics before and after it, is a government. A government will inevitably end up doing some good things along with the bad, each peppered between a great mass of things with no particular morality to them.
Which is as useful a statement as saying "people will do good and bad things in their lives", like yeah no shit but objectively the Empire was a terrible form of government and net negative on the galaxy.

West End made some odd decisions about Stormtrooper armor. In the first edition it was mostly a hinderance. +1D for tanking blaster hits, +2D for tanking phsyical, -1D in shooting accuracy mad Stormtroopers better in fistfights than gun battles. In Second Edition, they sort of corrected that by having the helmets do some useful things like provide an accuracy bonus (net +1D against the penalty which remained), but only against fast-moving targets (anything moving 10m or more in a round). What's the purpose of making them only decent at shooting moving things instead of giving them a bonus to shooting in general (or just negating the Dex penalty specifically for shooting)? Was this supposed to counter some specific player tactic related to movement?

>>96573649
And that's a JJ problem that Kathleen Kennedy should have tard-wrangled.

>>96571460
Capitalism is based on constant growth. It's not enough to be doing well, stagnation is death to investors. And investors are the biggest morons on the planet.
>>96571505
The point of a mystery box is 'the answer doesn't matter'. I maintain the only good answer to one is 'no answer'. The only time I've seen them work is Super 8 and Star Trek 2.

Also don't fucking lie. JJ was under no obligation to bring back palpatine. I dont care how woke you think the last jedi is.

>>96576785
>I dont care how woke you think the last jedi is.
The fuck kind of brainrot dumbfuckery is this?