Thread 96521497

Square Base Eternal Edition

>Previously, in the Mortal Realms
>>96512520

>Official AoS website:
https://www.ageofsigmar.com

>Downloads, Rules Errata and FAQs:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/

>Tools
warhammer-community.com/2017/09/26/make-your-own-free-city-the-easy-way-sep26gw-homepage-post-4/
https://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/

>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:
https://aosg.github.io/

>Booru:
https://ageofsigmart.booru.org/index.php

>Thread question:
What tips would you give someone who wants to try the game?

>>96521497 (OP)
What were those even used as in WHFB.
Ogres?

>>96521504
homebrew stormcast rules for 9th age. not even joking.

>>96521504
Probably 9th age players using them as chosen or something

What fucking base size is that? Thats fucking ugly as sin holy shit.
>TQ
Play spearhead and warcry almost exclusively. If you want to play a 2000 point game (you should feel no obligation to do so, this isnt 40k where you're side games are either dogshit or boarding patrol), lean into path to glory/ravaged coast.

>>96521497 (OP)
>tq
stick with spearhead and enjoy it

>>96521504
I'd dig 10mm AoS, just make it based around the 4 GA's

>>96521497 (OP)
i've been playing warhammer in some form or another for 25 years. spearhead is honestly probably the best on boarding experience for new players warhammer has ever had. you get essentially a small army in a box with everything you need, the rules are nice and short only being a couple pages, the board is smaller and the game plays much faster, the scoring is more balanced and less skill dependent so newbies dont get instantly BTFO like you might on a seasonal match if you dont know the rules.

like even as a veteran player, i'll often just see if my opponent wants to rack 2 or 3 spearhead matches instead of a full game, and the answer is an enthusiastic yes more times than not. i enjoy the full game too, but spearhead is great, its not just something to learn the game with and then move on and never touch again, like so many warhammer intro products have been in the past.

It's up.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/3jgzdu40/helsmiths-of-hashut-round-table-deep-lore-and-eavy-metal-painting/

>>96521533
it honestly just looks like the eavy metal team kinda flubbed these paintjobs with washed out colors and overly bright, silvery metallics. if they were closer in saturation and darkness to those emblems above them, with darker irons and golds, they probably would have looked much better.

i dont know if they were worried about readability or what but i dont think those paint jobs are really doing them any favors. im gonna wait to see the youtube crowd get their hands on them

>>96521533
I wonder if the demonic energy shit would look better in purple or...red?

>>96521556
magenta

>>96521569
aw hell yeah, I gotta try it with that now.

>>96521533
Nice of EM to share the exact recipes they used

>>96521533
>original dorfs are blue
>maritime dorfs are red
>aqshy dwarfs are purple

>>96521620
Expectations subverted

>>96521533
ur-zorn head is awesome

>>96521626
Why would you want to subvert expectations on something done explicitly as a reference?

>>96521637
dont ask me, ask gw

>>96521533
>There’s a suggestion that the duardin gods are cyclical – a new Grungni and Grimnir came back, so perhaps Hashut might also have returned from the World-that-Was. Has this happened here? We only really have the Zharrdron word to go on, and they’re not a reliable narrator…

>a new grugni and grimnir

>>96521533
the ur-zorn guy must have been hastily done later for some reason, because he doesn't even have a finished base lmao

>>96521524
desu makes me wonder if 5e is just gonna become more like spearhead instead of introducing more depth.

For the people that love 4e's ruleset I honestly don't understand why they can't just play spearhead and be fine with 4e growing into something more.

>>96521548
I think it looks good here. The gold is used to outline the shields and gear by contrasting sharply against the dark tones of the other alloys, and it does make the models more readable. I don't think the bright green spot colors work against the impression either but rather reinforces the perspective.

>>96521665
they've darkened the new diorama photos and increased saturation i believe. the metallics and beards did not look as black before

>>96521620
they fucked it up on purpose
>One thing we’ve been exploring a little more with the Helsmiths is divorcing their place in a particular Realm from traditional colour swatches. If you make it so that every faction in Aqshy is red and every faction in Shyish is purple, you run the risk of leaning into the Realms a little too hard, overruling the individual culture of each specific army and race.

>>96521651
that base is clearly painted with a marble finish, it definitely took more time than the other bases

>>96521653
"the people" dont actually have any say.

its a 3-4 man design team working in complete isolation, playing only a handful of games to get feedback from, and then balancing the game based on dispassionate raw event metrics.

they are not actually asking the playerbase what they want, or doing anything to gather or operate on actual feedback, and even in their internal playtesting it was stated that they only played like 120 games to playtest the whole edition, which across nearly 30 armies works out to about 4 games played per army.

>>96521673
Isn't it just that they look different when they're not photographed from 5 centimeters away in a lightbox?

>>96521533
>New faction instantly has distinct subfaction symbols
>several factions(including mine) still lack even simple ones

>>96521533
After listening to the video from the other day and reading this article now, I still don't know what sets Muspelzharr apart from the other ziggurats, but I have nevertheless decided that I am all in on Team Muspelzharr.

>>96521696
>>several factions(including mine) still lack even simple ones
Orruk Warclans?

>>96521696
they won't have rules though

>>96521703
Ij had ironsunz and what not since the beginning

>>96521686
maybe, but all of the early videos also make them look washed out like the original photos

>>96521718
It should go without saying that this is not a "simple subfaction symbol" in the manner of the HoH ones.

>>96521733
that kinda stuff can be made into simple symbols easily enough, thats just a skull with 2 fangs behind it. you can kinda see mine in this photo on the banner

>>96521745
your dudes look badass, whats the shield on the boss?

>>96521497 (OP)
>What tips would you give someone who wants to try the game?

I'll sell you some army's RIGHT NOW.

But realistically it's much cheaper to get into this than 40k or TOW, find a pdf of the rules, find a pdf of the generals handbook or buy one because it's got the little objective markers, check Ebay,Facebook marketplace, or local spots for cheaper spearheads or army lots. Wind up with too many models, bip bop bam you're in.

>>96521761
thanks, its from an old warmachine hordes guy, madrak 3 from trollbloods

>>96521497 (OP)
>What tips would you give someone who wants to try the game?
Go find people playing 2nd ed

>>96521733
You can easily extract a symbol from that

>>96521766
Hordemachines has some cool ass bits, I used some vampire guys big robo arm for my skaven lord. The metal is a pain in the ass to get to stick but it's still holding to this day!

>>96521782
The point is the silhouette more than the details

>>96521706
I don’t care. The reasoning behind changing subfactions for what we got now was stupid because GW could’ve just said that a subfaction primarily fights using x subfaction rules rather than tying the two together directly. I want it for /mydudes/ because I want to make something that feels like it would fit in the canon. So having some canon examples would go a long way in helping, but they’ve got nothing.

>>96521793
my gold standard was the subfaction builders they started doing in like late 8th or early 9th edition 40k. i really wish they had stuck with that and applied it to all of their games, maybe even expanded on it a little, and the named subfactions were just pre-construced combinations of the subfaction builders options

>>96521827
That would hit like crack.

Has anyone ever played 4th competitively with 3k+ armies and up ?
Does it scales well or is it only for fluff/legendary scenarios ?

>>96521866
>bloodreavers from this box mog the multipart box
>Bloodwarriors mog the multipart box
>all the stormcasts mog the thunderstrike redesigns out of the water
Where did we go wrong?

>>96521866
aos generalyl feels good even at larger scales, because spillover damage, no slow rolling, high points costs, and a fairly simple scoring system keep it from ever getting too bogged down, unless you are also using like narrative siege missions or something. so aos usually works very well even for larger scale games

i dont know that i've ever seen anything other than 2k played competitively though. not that it wouldnt work, but most competitive events have you playing anywhere from 3-6 matches, so from a purely time constraints perspective, playing anything bigger than 2k would kind of exacerbate that. a 2k 3 round event already takes 6+ hours, 5 rounds takes 2 days. thats a big ask of people to extend that further

>>96521883
>>all the stormcasts mog the thunderstrike redesigns
lmao, no

>>96521497 (OP)
>TQ
The smallest starter set(with paint) if they are interested at all, and then a spearhead of choice. It is such a simple entry imo

>>96521890
whatever you say

>>96521899
>dude but gold
>dude but silver
Minifags are so obsessed

>>96521899
What I say is correct, fatcasts are abominable, the pauldrons, flaring chestplate and tacky symbols all had to go.

>>96521920
>Symbols and genuinely interesting weapon designs are better than bald heads and literally blender startup cube as weapons

>>96521942
fuck, meant to say worse

>remove all rerolls and many command abilities to speed up game
>add in a 3+ roll and 2+ d3 roll everywhere

why did they do this

>>96521948
You didn't mean to say anything, you're just running your mouth as a braindead contrarian, to the point that you were likely mocking fatcasts before gw gave you an opportunity to go "old good new bad".

>>96521899
I really don't like how they made the hammers bigger and more ornate for the slimcast. It makes them look like weightless foam toys.

>>96521899
They should’ve kept tabard/pteruges and the faces on the helmets are a bit strange. Otherwise Thunderstrike objectively mogs on fatcast so hard it isn’t even funny.

I like both

>>96521984
The old ones I liked because they look a bit more pissed off, new ones aren't bad. I think they make solid knights, but old ones felt like crazy weird magical god soldiers.

When's the next point update?
I would like my 200 point reduction on Archaon now, please.

>>96522033
>When's the next point update?
Should be shortly after the HoH rollout, no?

>>96522033
Fuck you I want a 200 point reduction on Nagash!

>>96521984
i would have preferred a more traditional knightly helmet and breastplate, the muscle armor and faces are kind of a put off to me, though i recognize that that is "the brand" and if you got rid of it they wouldnt really be stormcast. i also think they should all have capes.

>>96522118
I can see what you're going for, the cape feels a bit much in this case.... Maybe like a more stylized one. Or maybe like the 3 musketeers tabards on the 2e stormcast would help if they had a cape, like a little front crotch drape.

I didn't like the 2e guys at first, but once I got my hands on 'em I think they're genuinly still cool. I still have my plan to make them into scarlet crusaders once I stop collecting more shit and finally settle down on my hobby purchases.

>>96522131
after doing the reculsians, i am 100% on board with full capes all the way, although a modern take on the sequitor full tabards and cowls would also be acceptable.

>>96522118
Ugh, looks like out of a "Deus Vult" LARPing

>>96522144
That's what's throwing me off! The reclusions also have the little butt cape and crotch drape, it's weird I feel like cloth only works if you have a matching amount. (Also god damnit the in box relcusions come with giant fucking maces?! Fuck me that's way cooler than the axes.)

>>96521866
>competitively
Competitive play is arbitrary restrictions and deviating from them means it's open/narrative
AoS doesn't scale well when the battle plans are designed for 2k

>>96522152
yeah, although at $60 for 3 you're practically paying hero prices. at that point just make your squads out of hero models lol.

>>96522181
I'll tell you right now, there is no universe I pay full price for a stormcast unit.

>>96522150
And looks significantly better for it

I feel like Stormcast helmets are the weakest part of the design, but I don’t know what I’d replace them with beyond everyone going without their helms.

>>96522203
Not at all and the crusades were against your ancestors

>>96522118
if stormcasts were to be the direct analogues to chaos warriors then definitely, they should have capes, they should have a simpler plate armor, and the helmets should be variegated, with generally a tendency for not dehumanising the wearer like the chaos ones do, with a halo replacing the role of the horns

but unfortunately stormcasts aren't the direct analogues to chaos warriors, they're the direct analogues to space marines, that's why there's such a heavy emphasis on armor types, why they're so branded, and why instead of having a focus on their individualism (since they're all champions with at least one lifetime of heroics before being chosen, and they all value greatly their memories and humanity since they know full well they will eventually lose it bits by bits), they have a focus on battlefield designations, equipment and how the armies are organised, subdivided and coloured, like marine chapters.

>>96522225
If GW weren’t cowards they’d give us Beaky Stormcast

>>96522238
already happened

>>96522242
These dont actually look that bad if they're in black. They still should have given them lion pelts or something to adorn on one of or both of their shoulders.

>>96521981
Yeah, they should have been smaller, it feels like they made the two handed hammer and then used the same head for all hammers

>>96522212
Ok. Not where I’m from but sure, go off I guess

>>96521981
It's a big miss, and they should have kept the tower shield as well.

Vindictors vs Liberators didn't change enough, Liberators should be immediately recognizable as a shield wall.

>>96522080
zombie stomach nagash will never not bother me, the model is almost perfect.

>>96522308
Makes sense in a small aspect since he is technically a tomb king, his body was designed around the mummification process even if it makes 0 sense now.

>>96522297
speaking of liberators, has anyone tried a hordecast army list?

at 100/5 they're not exactly expensive, 3+ saves, crit mortals, seems decent. dedicate like 800-1000pts of your list just to liberators or vanquishers. or maybe swap out a few for reinforced squads of vigilors to mix in some shooting and buffs?

seems like that could be fun, but all i ever see are people running the 500pt monster heroes and hyper elite dragons and cavalry

>>96522281
I know, Jose

RIP Barak-Urbaz, you were too good for the gay ass skies.

>>96522337
Hold the fuck up that's a page scan. KO was finally scanned? What about BoK and the rest of them?

>>96522337
At least the fall gave them some kino artwork

>>96522334
Liberators are very good for what they do per point, just run into the same problem every other slow non hammer infantry does. Questor Soulsworn also overshadow them a lot in basically every way.

Would have been cool to see some heroes still build into redeemer's, like Vandus did in 3e. Not going to say Redeemers were anywhere near good in 3e, with Vanquishers being in a much better place now, but they did have more ways to synergize with them specifically.

>>96522337
inside job

>>96522118
>Heres an idea, lets improve a pseudo greco-roman dudes, by removing all greco-roman elements from them!

>>96522337
Love me a good Colony Drop.

>>96522400
I mean they thought it was good to remove the chaos from chaos dwarves

>>96522337
I wanna see chamon explored more now that this is going to be a big part of the map now

>>96522411
It's just a tiny dot on the map, not a big part of it.

>>96522400
ah yes, the greco-roman platemail. The Romans were renowned for their heavily armoured knights

>>96522337
POST THE BOOK NOW I NEED IT

>>96522419
Let me guess: Skavenwank.

>>96522407
>Not the gif version
Sad

>>96522337
Who did this?

>>96522442
Me, sorry
Hit the wrong button

>>96522420
They are still greco-roman with Norse elements, it's former is always used as a criticism against them.

>>96522432
Kinda but I wouldn't really say so. The Vermindoom made a mountain range in Ayadah explode. Barak-Urbaz just happened to be around and was damaged by the shockwave. Skaven then came flooding out of gnawholes where the mountains were. It's not made clear that this was the culmination of a plan that targeted Urbaz, it really might just have been catastrophically poor fortune that saw it get hit with this.

>>96522435
I couldn’t find one. Have the intros instead. The games may have been whatever, but the music is easily the best in the series.
https://youtu.be/BYlYHJ4P4A8
https://youtu.be/25Xn5EnhYYc

>>96522400
>Lets improve them by removing the lamest part about their design!
Yes

>>96522490
no

>>96522490
>by replacing it with an even lamer helmet

>>96522400
the face masks have pretty much never looked good, and have quite often made them the butt of many jokes.

also with the studio rebranding cities of sigmar firmly in the more traditional english theming, moving stormcast towards that would also make sense, since cities and stormcast are, in the lore at least, joined at the hip

>>96522503
>traditional english
Nta but what's english about them?

>>96522581
>537.1 MB

>>96522581
"DUHHH WELL AKSHULLY IT SAYS HERE IN ARTICLE 822 SECTION ZZE SUBSECTION LXII THAT DUHH UHHH" bruh just put the guns in the bag already

This could have been perfect for the battletome cover art. Its brand new too as well, I think.

>>96522618
Rat gets the gat

>>96522593
I don't make the scans, I just scavenge them

>>96522618
Nah, doesn't have the proper qualities of a cover art

>>96522581
Now gimme Blades of Khorne.

>>96522661
there's no full scan of it yet
only bits and bobs

>>96522503
First of all, why would an older faction(especially one that has Einherjar, a Norse concept, as it's main gimmick) change to appeal to a younger faction?
Second, what's exactly traditional English about CoS at all?

>>96522737
>Second, what's exactly traditional English about CoS at all?

>>96522630
> Aether gold is breath of grungni

I'm honestly surprised some KO haven't tried to kidnap him and force aether gold out of his anus or something

>>96522750
Wearing plate armor is not exclusive to english.

>>96522737
>what's exactly traditional English about CoS at all?
not the demographics, that's for sure

>>96522750
Strange I've been to the Nottingham museum and I'm pretty sure all medieval English Knights were black (the serfs grubbing in the mud were all white tho)

>>96522750
>culturally agnostic western european armor

>>96522581
Cheers Anon. Appreciated and thank you.

>>96522593
>98% of the KO book is their entire in-game codex, complete with corrections and erratas plus a grudge section (abridged)

>>96521533
I will say I am glad they didn't vaguefy their way in placing their subfactions per realm. I feel like there's a lack of that when it comes to Chaos, besides Bloodbound, and occasionally Rotbringers.
Skaven and StD get a pass, though.

GW won't own up to this but the nullsuit is an Urbaz-coded model design.

>>96521533
Do they not get proper nutrition in ur-zorn? Why is he such a dwarflet compared to the others?

>>96522581
Oh neat it has BoK even if not complete. Thanks Anon.

>>96522750
An American mutt with their mutant understanding of whiteness posted this btw

>>96522581
Thank you anon!

>>96522581
The Steampunk Dwarves PDF is very heavy. Do any of you have it in a lighter version?

SKULPILE

Did the Skaven or the Bloodfuckers get rid of the lion bitches kingdom in the middle of Aqshy? Haven’t heard about it in a while. Edassa was it?

>>96522503
>the masks have never looked good
I refuse to believe that on a board that thinks the frowny face space marine helmet was cool when it gets mogged by a dozen other helmets

>>96523356
they're still around afaik. They've got the adamantine chain between them and the worst skaven fuckery for the time being

>>96523388
Okay that’s rad. I hope GW expands more on non free city settlements and kingdoms but CoS isn’t even a finished book or army yet so I half expect them to kill places like Edassa or Batarr off

>>96523310
Tempest's Eye living life on horde mode

>>96523384
>I refuse to believe that on a board that thinks the frowny face space marine helmet was cool when it gets mogged by a dozen other helmets
Truth nuke right there.

>>96521512
From what I understand about Path to Glory, isn't it just objectively more interesting than a base 2000 points game because you can upgrade and build things in a more detailed way?

>>96522989
That guy along with the others hail from the 2e battletome. He contributed a "fuck bonereapers" footnote to the Code.

>>96523537
> A fuck bone reapers clause
Learn to read you fucking idiot. He is saying it DOESNT apply to bone reapers as they don't breathe, aka he WANTS to keep trading bone with them even if there is a state of war with Nagash forces.

>>96522203
>Looks better

From what side looks better? Go to see your eyes, anon. God.

y'know, i think i've seen this movie before

>>96523983
Kinda why I adore them. This sort of Dwarf design if KINO AF.

>>96523983
I wish we could get one of those cool spinny launcher things that knocks arrows out of the sky, but I have no clue how the fuck that'd be implemented properly and how to make it look cool when not launching a giant spinny thingy.

Anyone got a scan of Sand and Bone (cards, book etc)? Toss me it plz. Love you <3

>>96521533
>The Forge Anathema: sorcerer midgets
>Ur-Zorn: ashen elder midgets
>Zharr Vyxa: war despot midgets
Then what the hell is even left for Muspelzharr?

>>96524097
Apparently they're artisans and fond of digging up precious shit like gems.
More typical dwarfs than most chaos dwarfs it seems.

>>96524097
Muspelzharr dig. Muspelzharr like gems. Muspelzharr generic stunties.

>>96524097
Jesus girl those arms

>>96523983
wow, it's fucking nothing

>>96524221
>that little cutaway quote
Maybe nuGW still has some bants in them lmao.

>>96524097
I think it goes
>FA: spells
>UZ: prayers
>ZV: infantry
>MZ: engines

>>96524097
Daemon whores

>>96524052
Maybe make it an "endless spell" but like with khorne its technically not being magic, its like ballistic rockets mid flight that also give protecteion against ranged attacks to allies nearby

What will their faction terrain and Endless Spells be? I'm really hoping the faction terrain is a massive brazen bull full of captives.

>>96524338
there is none, weve seen everything

>>96524338
>Terrain
Evil fucking smokestacks
>Endless Spells
Bull horns and broken earth that can push aside and deal mortals to models as it charges forward
Ring of red hot steel chunks that burn whoever enters
Daemonfire

>>96523983
boss baby vibes

I am not a fan of GW constantly tickling my balls with the idea of an undivided line of demons stop fucking doing that it’s not cute it’s hurting my feelings

>>96524338
Find out next army book when those are the pity models.

>>96524338
I'm fine with having no terrain, I kinda hate it for anything that isn't Sylvaneth and SBGL.
My suspension of belief is hurt by two factions basically setting up monuments so close to each other, and THEN deciding to fight.
Yes yes, I know things like the FS pizza oven supposedly shoots out of the ground, but that is fucking stupid.
The other thing is that it's this ""optional"" kit that you might even not like the look of, but it's FREE in-game and so it's one more thing you gotta buy.

Some sort of supply train with an effigy of Hashut that descolates the land would be good.
Maybe it's pumping out some smog, and got a statue that looks disapprovingly at the enemy or some shit.

>>96524683
don't worry, they now have an excuse as to why they aren't around despite existing
>We know there are unaligned Chaos daemons such as Furies, which suggests there’s much more out there in the Realm of Chaos, but perhaps the avaricious nature of the Helsmiths is why we don’t see many of them now…

>>96524689
I mean the forces of Chaos can just do that. The Skull Altar basically is summoned

Do vampires need to breathe? Could they be underwater indefinitely? no it's not vampire coast related

>>96524745
Since they're the same vamps as Fantasy, no they do not. They don't need to eat, they don't really "feel" things the same way, and the rules are also semi inconsistent between authors.

>>96524745
no, they're undead

but water can be nasty for a vampire

>>96524731
Makes more sense for some factions than others.
I wish faction terrain was more unique.

>>96524729
This is exactly what I’m talking about what the fuck bro

>>96524807
NTA, undivided deamons would be pretty fucking cool.
It's the perfect sort of kit they could sell as an optional unit for all chaos factions (including 40k), but GW are allergic to money if it means not adhering to pointless faction/game system separation guidelines.
I imagine chaos factions would use summoned and bound deamons in battle, and even HoH could be testing it or breaking it in through combat before milking it.

>>96524837
The fact that Bellykor doesn’t have his own shadow or just undivided demons at this point is baffling. Like I get his whole theme is the subverting bull but all they do is put him in the cuck chair

>>96524860
And that new Vashtor guy is getting more and more thematically similar deamon machine units.
Meanwhile they cannot stop jerking off Archaon for the life of them in AoS. I find Archaon so incredibly boring.

>>96524870
>Vashtor guy is getting more and more thematically similar deamon machine units.
such as?

>>96524870
>And that new Vashtor guy is getting more and more thematically similar deamon machine units.
Where? When? I'd trade my soul for dark mechanicum.

>>96524870
>finds vaginataur interesting
>doesnt like archy

>>96524837
Doesn't horus heresy have some undivided guys? I thought they were really cool sculpts.

>>96524860
Furies are considered Be'lakor's boys ever since their redesign, no? They interact with Eternus's rule specifically.
>>96524913
>>96524920
I assume he's talking about the unseen-but-named other daemon engines of the Forge of Souls and/or the illustrations of cyber daemons from the Arks of Omen books.

>>96524938
>finds vaginataur interesting
The what?

>>96524938
NTG but I care more about the fact that there's something to represent the Forge of Souls/Dark Mechanicum than anything to do with actual "character" stuff
I don't care about the writing so much as whether or not there are cyberdaemon models

>He defeated himself. His mortal half was cast down, and with its butchering, my lord heralded a coming age...
It's peak.

>>96525013
Every now and then the lore writers drop a bomb like that. Good to know they can still perform from time to time.

>>96524745
As stated, no they don't need air to live. But it'd still hurt, they'd feel the pain of drowning and simply not die from it. The water would also be infested with parasites and fish that'd eat off them, and if they get too deep they'd be killed by water pressure.

>>96525013
>mortal half
I'm not at all well versed in AOS lore. What does this mean? I assume the little story as a whole is just saying he overcame his humanity and inched closer to daemonhood, but referring to him already only being half human sounds weird.

>>96525123
He is a chaos lord, even basic chaos warriors are no longer "human" in a normal sense

>>96524939
Yeah they got one: Samus.

>>96525013
Khorne being egodeath is pretty cool
>>96525270
I was more talking about these guys. I don't know too much about 40k but they don't really strike ma as aligned to one god. I guess they look kind of khorne-ish?

>>96525283
Think those are 30k-exclusive, wonder if they are even present in 3e HH.

>>96525283
if we're going to be honest, all the generic demons and chaos undivided units look like khorne units, just with primary black colors instead of red.

>>96525283
Yeah these are generic "daemon brutes"; in 30k you have generic daemon archetype units (brutes, swarms, behemoths, etc) that you can apply an "aetheric dominion" (you've probably seen the star chart that features them all, like "malevolent artifice" and "ruinous dissolution" and such) to represent your preferred flavor of chaos.

>>96525328
its more of a khorne demon issue desu, his demons are the most generic ones

I think the not!soul stones that chorgs had would have been better if they were replaced with skulls and had like, flames pouring out of their eyes.

>>96525352
khorne models are usually the most uninspired of the four, sadly. even World Eaters are the cult legion most interchangeable with the default CSM models.

>>96525325
They are yea

What would be some older style mechanics that could be added to AOS to make it more interesting like older editions of 40k and Fantasy? Stuff like the random Chaos tables that could mutate your Chaos Lord or big magical fuck ups.

>>96525283
Ah right forgot about them.

>>96525702
AOS is in a state where it would be BEGGING you to homebrew stuff. The only thing I think that would be difficult to rework would be the double turn system, but I have some ideas on that I wanna implement.
But at the very least, I kinda want creation tables for artifacts/heroic traits. I think that would be neat.

>>96525462
Ironically I can argue that the BoK is the most developed of the four monogods factions(though this is because 5 of it's units come from End Times).
Meanwhile WE is at the opposite, because they rather keep their stuff like "Sage of Slaughter" to be just a mention and got super lazy with everything after DG and TS, that you see a 10e Codex of those two and you'll get a map of chain of command. Meanwhile, EC and WE is a lame excuse you can apply to TS.
But enough of me bringing up40k, because it reminds me of some of my issues with the other AoS' monogod factions

>>96525740
Warhammer in general is way too streamlined now. Both games should have big tables of wargear you can give your characters, enhancements for regular units

>>96525787
ET model releases are basically AOS releases. I mean shit thats when the greater demons got turned to plastic right>

>>96525793
I dont agree with wargear returning (at least 1-1) but I could compromise on the idea of buying traits to say that they come aqshy or ghur, giving them new abilities or stats.

>>96525817
What if you could pick a Realm for your army to be from and depending on the army and realm it affected something? Maybe like augmenting certain Commands or something, idk?

>>96525702
Non-modelled unit equipment upgrades for points costs. Imagine master-crafted stuff or trinkets that unlock a warscroll ability.

>>96525866
Agreee

>>96525866
>everyone at the LGS claims their army is from Shyish which is why their armies are primed black and unpainted

>>96525866
2e realm affinity kind of sucked ass, 3e’s seasonal rules reflecting a particular location and coming with generic spell lores/traits/items was a lot better implementation of that idea with the shit like andtor ice magic.

>>96526001
I think if gw really wanted to promote that they'd just say to paint your base rims a certain way instead

>>96525123
The act of killing his ego or id or whatever, shedding his mortal rivalries and desires, made his apotheosis to daemon prince finally possible. He’d been Khorne’s favorite in the realms for a long time, despite him thinking himself a failure, and that rivalry with vandus was the last bit of a human self that held him back from ascending and fully becoming a total instrument of khorne.

Ironic in that it’s a mirror to Archaon and Sigmar, where Archaon could never let go of his mortal hatreds and lost his chance to destroy the realms because of it, while Sigmar sat down and turned from a warrior-god to a god-king, allowing the age of sigmar to start

>>96525866
Shit, that would actually give me some impetus to learn more lore. Compared to what I know of Fantasy or 40k, I don't know shit about AOS. If only GW wouls survey the customers

>>96526088
>Ironic in that it’s a mirror to Archaon and Sigmar, where Archaon could never let go of his mortal hatreds and lost his chance to destroy the realms because of it, while Sigmar sat down and turned from a warrior-god to a god-king, allowing the age of sigmar to start

I think Stabbas are one of the best kits in Warhammer and it’s taking every ounce of will power not to impulse buy their Spearhead.

>>96526153
well its gone now. its being replaced with the gitmob spearhead now

>>96526166
No…..

Anyone have the KO 3e tome they could share, please?

>>96526230
You'll find it at this link

https://files dot fm/u/p2hjvag9e8

>>96526166
Worst trade deal in the history of trade deals

>>96522581
Could someone upload the Kharadron Overlords PDF in a lighter file?

>>96526378
Thank you Anon!

>>96521497 (OP)
Soon

>>96526386
https://litter.catbox.moe/wduz71y9fb9txj49.pdf

>>96526466
Anon, this is goblin futa porn.

>>96524243
BoK has some good ones

>>96526473
Uploading porn in pdf format is kinda based

>>96526434
Bruh you already returned in Old World tf

>>96524221
Is this the biggest loss of a faction in AOS so far?

>>96526466
thank you

>>96524338
I really do wish they were just a little more generous with these recent release box sets. Would it kill Mr.Games if they added the ranged unit or the bull centaurs here? It would take these boxes from barely worth it to actually having value beyond the oh so coveted "different cover battletome".

>>96526696
The only good army sets they’ve done were the space wolf and emperor’s children box.

>>96526708
Those were just as shit, you seem to just have a personal preference for them.

>>96526976
they had a lot more stuff in them than other army sets that aos has had

>>96526993
They always have the same amount of kits. I suppose it might just look like more if there's 2 units of 10 instead of 1 with other low model count stuff.

>>96526166
>>96526170
>>96526379
It isn't, it's still available on the webstore, unlike the old sbgl spearhead which actually is being replaced by the skelly one.
Gw does a lot of retarded things but even they realize that replacing the entry poinr for one of their most popular factions with an incredibly niche subfaction isn't a good idea at least I hope they do, it might just be good luck honestly

>>96526153
Stabbas are 7th edition trash mogged by the starter set monopose kits
They're the oldest kit in the army and singularly from WHFB. They look like they're for a different game

>>96527170
you missed the normal spider riders

>>96527189
Thryre obviously getting refreshed soon tbf, with the tribal theme removed

>>96527170
The weapons look like shit but the stabba bodies themselves are great and hold up without any problems.

>>96527235
No, they're boring ass rank and flank shit with no dynamism
The battle for skull pass kits brutally mog them

>>96527245
Anon the battle of skull pass bodies are the exact same, they just have better weapon poses which makes them better

>>96527302
They're one part monopose minis, the gestures are entirely different not the weapons

There are a fair few references to BL in the BoK tome. Obviously here's Godeater's Son. Please Noah come back I miss you ;_;

>>96527354
Volundr here is a major character from the Eight Lamentations series.

>>96527354
>>96527357
And Skarde the Red mentioned on the upper right there is the femdommy antagonist of Richard Strachan's Hammers of Sigmar: First Forged.

>>96527369
>Gurtaxa possesses a colossal arsenal of accursed weapons and a myriad pacts with the cruel duardin Helsmiths of the mountains.
Please give me more Skull Cannon-esque engines.

>>96527357
>Eight Lamentations series

>>96527354
Are you ever allowed to change your path? I imagine it depends on how much you’ve sold and is sorta Greek myth/tragedy in a way that you can attain your freedom or goal but it’s going to take monumental levels of guile, cunning, and dues ex machina levels of luck

>>96521533
God damn these look shit

>>96527369
Y’know I’ve always wondered if “demon Princedom” is in the books for the stormcasts. It seems very on the nose the way Chaos Warriors gain strength from shedding their mortal aspects in exchange for power but stormcasts technically lose their strength and mortality the more they try to retain themselves rather than selling it all to war and victory. I get that’s the point of distinction between order and chaos’ representatives but I can’t help but wonder what a stormcast who doesn’t care for anything at the outset and sells everything he has to be filled with pure Azyrite energy would become. The lord commanders are stormcasts with ancient storms in them, the Celestant prime is still has his mortal trappings about him last I read that one realmgate wars book. A mortal shaped by pure Azyrite energy isn’t really a thing besides Sigmar and if he has any kids I guess. Azyr is used like a frame or a canvas for the stormcasts.

Seems a very obvious path of exploration for the setting idk

Floor

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ylhfookl/chronicles-of-ruin-forged-in-darkness/

>tfw you have a pool of AoS armies you want to buy before they're OOP
I used to think it was better to know in advance but this is just as depressing in a way
>Blightkings
>Spiderfang
>Ogors
>Scourge Privateers

>>96527568
How curious that the dwarfs only hear the voice of hashut when they happen to be sieged by demons, never when it's orcs or goblins or something else.

>>96527628
as long as the new ogres are as easy to paint as the old ones I really couldnt care for the old range going away.
Spiderfang also needs to be updated for me to ever care about them
I also still dont see blightkings going away.

>>96527568
>Morgrum’s eyes settled on an empty plinth set in the rune-forge’s HIGHEST and most shadowed alcove. It had never borne a statue. When he had asked his former master why, he had received a thunderous glare as an answer.
this lends credence to the idea hashut might actually have been the oldest/most important once.

>>96527369
>Daemons were pulled screaming back to the Realm of Chaos to contain the phantasmal vermin flooding from the domain of the newly ascendant Horned Rat.
I beg your pardon?
Are ray demons finally on the fucking menu?

>>96527694
Always have been
sorry to disappoint you twice, but the realm of the horned rat is home to a carpet of ghostly rats, like normal sized quadrupedal rats, that's your lesser demons for now

>>96527628
surely all of this shit is just going to get repurposed for tow isn't it? only exception maybe being spiderfang if gw really is that anal about them being offensive

>>96527704
How is it possible that GW has a realm of literal imagination and nightmares and still don’t come up with shit

>>96527727
because the worldbuilding exists to sell models
no models, no worldbuilding

>>96527717
I doubt it. Well, ogres maybe. Blightkings wouldn’t even make sense if they were brought with tamacum

>>96527684
A proven leaked said they're getting refreshed, keep up

>>96527758
blight kings are kind of in a weird space because they're end times. honestly i'm thinking they're not really getting squatted and it's just an alternate build for mosscairn or whatever
if ogres are returning than so do dark elves right? they're way more popular according to my tow friends

>>96527770
A proven leak that was written up by a drunk man and was already vauge. Even if they were getting new models via warhammer quest it doesn’t mean they’re being replaced. I’d be more worried about the models in warhammer quest staying a part of mainline Aos than blightkings going.

>>96527778
ETB set of 5 for WH Quest make sense, hopefully with variant rules or something

Schizo theory time. Khul will replace archeon and S2D will be squatted

>>96527796
Archaon is the oldest AoS original miniature at this point so why not

>>96527689
Or simply the most arrogant and petty.

>>96527813
> Mighty Lord of Khorne
> Khorgorath

>>96527831
I forgot BoK existed tbhon

>>96527823
why would a random dwarf hold in aqshy build a very tall plinth for the arrogant and petty amcestor?

>>96527837
even then vandus is still up

It's time for Ben Johnson, Matt Rose and Martin Whatshisname to weigh in.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/avlkg8zv/helsmiths-of-hashut-round-table-forging-the-rules-of-ruination/

>>96527873
I miss Jervis
AoS is dead

>>96527651
because any duardin worth his weight in stone can easily cull a slave revolt without divine intervention

>>96527919
are you saying demons aren't slaves?

>female models mixed with male models

sigh

>>96527628
If you're in Europe I have a big glutt of ogors to sell.

>>96527935
they weren't until the duardin heeded the call of the Bullfather

>>96527945
Greenstuff some beards on them if it bothers you so much.

>>96527969
the same applies to orcs and goblins and anything else.

you're making no sense.

>>96527945
Headswap and cutting at the chest with a hobby knife with some greenstuff and you’re good to go after that

>>96527995
>my soldiers are trans

>>96527988
if i'm not making sense, it's probably your fault

>>96527999
It’s plastic toys anon, the term is coined as a conversion, not your fetish.

>>96525702
The fun stuff you mention already existed in 1st and 2nd editions.

>>96527568
based fyreslayer

>>96528045
*fyreslayn

>>96528009
I feel bad that I looked at this and immediately thought of vince venturella

I don't know what to make of this paint scheme.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/3hodlpa1/helsmiths-of-hashut-brought-to-life-by-the-wider-warhammer-community/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/3hodlpa1/helsmiths-of-hashut-brought-to-life-by-the-wider-warhammer-community/

Suddenly the default scheme doesn't look so bad

>>96528110
high technical ability, but it appears to have come paired with total madness

>>96528110
Damn, jinx

This is the only color combo in there I think looks good

>>96528110
>>96528111
the only worthwhile contribution in that pile of hashit

>>96528110
Why do they consistently pre-release their models to youtubers who can't paint for shit? Does loyalty outweigh competence in some kind of bio-leninist way?

The yellow flame of frenzy burns within.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL2OV7z2q40

>>96528135
This is the only one who made it look good, holy shit its embarrassing what they publish

>>96528111
that banner is fucking great but holy shit the rest of it is horrible

>>96528132
What's wrong with these ones?

Yeah THAT quality deserves to be shown off
Should I even tidy up the rim of the base, nah I'm done here

>>96528110
The rusted metal, the black skin with red eyes, the flaming lava gems all look great and then the neon lime green just fucking ruins it. It's almost, a really good color scheme, I have no idea why they went with the neon green. god it's so bad

>>96528154
They try nothing new or egregious.

>>96528161
I think I kinda like it. Or at least the commitment to it. Sure it's super goofy but I don't dislike that.

>>96528144
I like this color scheme, this one nails the ghostly flame color they had in the more recent art of the HoH

>>96528161
I like stylish paint jobs I see what he was going for

>>96528110
>>96528111
>>96528161
True ghurish energy

>>96528176
That's fine but fire is still brighter at the recesses, whereas that's been shaded all wrong.
It seems that the painters are allergic to using reference material

>>96528117
I'm actually in awe at the fact someone looked at Knotley's usual nonsense and said "Lol, fucking watch *This*."

At the same time, though- I can respect the fact he went all out on them. Unlike Vinny who just goes "Well I like to show Aaalll the ways you can paint them!" and then only ever uses the same eight fucking schemes.

>>96528226
I still appreciate Knotley painting up a batch of test models for every new release. I think it's helpful for getting a feel for the models when you can see them in a bunch of different colors.

>>96528134
For one thing, yes loyalty is more important.
For another, they don't just want to show fucking pro painted shit because 99% of painters ARENT going to paint to that level and the zoom zooms get intimidated by that shit (zoomers are insecure and pathetic like that). Warcom specifically includes these shit looking models to make limp wristed fags feel better

>>96528110
>>96528111
Well, this confirms that I genuinely do dislike the Dominator Engine and that it's not just the color scheme.

>>96528161
>I have no idea why they went with the neon green
40k Salamanders

>>96528117
This guy is a good painter, but I don't think I've seen a single color scheme in anything he's submitted that I actually like.
>>96528124
Stahly paints the best infantry in this showcase.
Wish he had chosen a male so I could see his choice of beard color.
>>96528176
The color on the base is bad, but this scheme actually goes hard.
Clear winner here for me.

>>96528258
this is not a garish neon lime green. I'm not sure that the salamander green would look better, but if this was what they were going for then they were way off the mark

>>96528248
Yeah seeing the range is more average paintjobs makes me conclude that I just don't like these models. At first I thought it was maybe just a kneejerk reaction but now I'm sure. Especially the cannon just looks awful.

Overall better than what the Hh painting team put out but good lord it’s still shit

>>96528296
Yeah, it's clear it's not for me. I will probably get the bull centaurs and vandalz for TOW, though, since I do like those.

>In his conquest of Shyish, Nagash hunted down and consumed each of the lesser gods of death and the underworlds over which they held dominion. He stole not only their power but also the souls to whom they once offered sanctuary, expanding his own domain of Nagashizzar and ensuring his reign as the preeminent God of Death. His methods were both subtle and brutal. In the case of Ouboroth, the god-serpent who ruled the underworld of Korbor, he used trickery to starve his rival of worship and then devoured its essence, leaving it as a withered husk of its former self. The Stygxxian gods once ruled from Deific Mons, but Nagash, offering himself as an ally, destroyed them when their guard was down with an overwhelming barrage of sorcery and cast their mountain seat into ruin.

>Thanatar and Morbriarch, the sibling goddesses who sat upon the twin thrones of Termius, were poisoned by an elixir of ageing, and Nagash absorbed what remained of their essence with little effort. The beneficent Hadrax, who guided the souls of his worshippers to the underworld haven of Solace, was doomed by the forces unleashed by the creation of the Shyish Nadir, expiring ninety-nine days after the advent of that calamity. Nagash left almost no deity overlooked in his predations, confining what dregs remained to a cage of perpetual suffering as part of the Shrieking Pantheon. Morrda, however, is said to have escaped torment, but his believers rarely claim such out loud, for Nagash would surely seek the Bleak Raven's demise were there proof that he endured.

>>96528240
nigga I am a zoomer, don't give me that shit

>>96528339
He didn't get Gazul either

>>96528296
I'm gonna swap the hats, shoulders and give them axes and round shields

>>96528339
https://youtu.be/atv8pf0jBNE

>>96528356
Might as well start from completely different models instead.

>>96528345
Your whole generation is slack jawed faggots

>>96528335
>bull centaurs
Yeah those seem alright.

>>96528134
I appreciate that they show paint jobs of lower skill levels for the hope of having at least one person get the mental push they need to say “I can paint that” or “I think I can do that better” and actually act on it. Not to mention it’s a much more realistic view of the average painters skill. While showing off perfect and clean studio paint jobs is a treat for the eyes, showing off these skill levels is a twofold boon for GW. 1, they don’t have to have ‘eavy metal painting up as many of the same models, and 2, it’s almost free advertising for them. A few pennies of plastic and cardboard sent out to a contracted influencer is much cheaper than the hourly wage of an EM painter. Heck, my painting is better than many of these but I lack the charisma, drive, and most importantly, luck of a hobby influencer to to attract enough of an audience to be successful and eventual catch the eye of GW. Just keep painting, anons.

>>96528240
Aren’t boomers the ones that don’t like airbrushes or count something like pouches as an over designed model

>>96528134
tournament ready

>>96528134
I mean, the point is to show what different people did with their models, if anything, its probably closer to what an avarage miniature looks like painted then GW official photos

>>96528367
No, and this is a retard attitude because the rest of the model is fine and any 3d printed schmuck alternative is genuinely going to be worse because the scale will be off and wont match the proportions of other GW dwarf models.

>>96528350
Iirc Nagash malds over that.

>>96528452
Half of gen Z are spiteful mutants, yes, but the other half are based, whereas all millennials are cringe.

>>96528339
So kino.

Wonder what fate he has in store for skaven, chaos dwarves and daemon princes. Imagine spending your entire shitty wasteland life worshipping some totem to finally become a daemon prince, only for a gang of mortek to harvest that sweet bone crop like it was another Tuesday.

>>96528452
>>96528469
>>96528539
Generalized thinking is for people with no individual pride. Accomplished people think "I am the best"; unaccomplished people think "My arbitrary grouping that I lucked into being a part of is the best".

>>96528134
>>96528156
I'm gonna be honest anon, paintjobs like this are nice to see because it's easier to imagine some shit I'd do.

I don't want some super fancy, airbrushed, mega quality, turbo paintjob. I want that like "Fuck I wanna try something new and fucked it up" or "just slap some paints on and see if it works" type of paint job. That was my biggest gripe early on in the hobby is I just wanted painting videos where people were my god awful level but slightly better.

>>96528154
They look surprisingly good in that purple
>>96528161
Possibly the most insane colour scheme choice I've ever seen. What the fuck. Honestly impressive commitment.

>>96528576
Oh fuck off, its a benchmark for capacity in an aspirational sense

>>96528614
That's actual nonsense. What are you even trying to say here? "Oh I'm from this generation so I'm capped at this level of potential"? Fucking stupid.

>>96528620
You could almost say, zoomers have.... NO CAP!

>>96527796
>S2D
Faggot

>>96528620
No you braindead mongloid. I'm saying that stats are informative of what tends to happen

>>96528699
To what utility? This information can only be used in an attempt to stifle and discourage people.

>>96527796
khul is khornate, not undivided
you're not schizophrenic, you're just dumb

>>96528134
It's actually a really fucking smart move, the biggest mindblock in peoples minds always was and will be painting. You see those fantastic minis on the box and when you're done with them they don't look even close. It's obviously better nowadays because even a complete retard will watch a tutorial or two before putting paint on a mini. Still, it's nice for beginners to see paintjbos that aren't studio/display quality so they can feel a little bit better about their own results.

>>96528110

i like that they show such a wide range of skill levels, indicative of what you would actually encounter in a game store or expect from average level painters.

sometimes with all the instagram and youtube pro painters, it can feel intimidating, especially to new players, to see what some of these people are doing, and i feel like having these more average skill level painters be featured makes the hobby feel more attainable and less like an unachievable standard.

>>96528878
That's what I was saying, it's really nice seeing minis on the website on the level of shit that I do. Every gem isn't doing that cool shine effect, all the metal isn't NMM, the pupils dotted perfectly, seeing some slightly sloppy paintjobs that aren't perfect is a nice change of pace.

Can someone link the community article where the cock suckers were going on and on about how they were getting rid of different unit load outs to let us 'model what we think is cool,' while now, a year in, they are fucking reversing course with shit like spears versus swords in the Chorfs?

>>96528899
>stillman

>>96528539
Millennials were cringe until zoom zooms came out and turned out to be such pathetic faggots

>>96528902
You are fucking retarded of you think that's what I'm talking about
Also Stillmen is fucking based Zoom zooms couldn't even comprehend painting shit outside the box art (a LITERAL question I have seen here)

>>96528910
you gotta relax bud, no tweaking out on my calm AOS thread.

>>96528918
I was gonna say. Dude is getting worked up over nothing lmao.

>>96528922
>Dude is getting worked up over nothing lmao
running theme on 4chan thoughbeit

so i had an idea for a nurgle conversion. im not a huge fan of the beast of nurgle models, was looking for alternatives. thinking some kind of plague ogre/super plague bearer instead.

did a quick photoshop to see what that would look like, i think i might do it

>>96529071
wouldn't it be easier to kitbash river trolls, spare guo heads and chaos spawn bits for arms?

sculpting the guts looks messy in a bad way

>>96529071
Fun idea, I'm just being a lazy fuck and using my leftover Gellerpox giant guys for mine.

>>96529071
Concept is cool so if you can execute on it go for it

Fresh bread soon?

>>96529326
No.

>>96528011
And yet they don't anymore. Shameful.

>>96528910
>Zoom zooms couldn't even comprehend painting shit outside the box art
nta but people were retarded about this back and the day too. I'd say it's actually a lot less common nowadays
people not knowing they can just paint their models however they want that is, people actually doing so is entirely different and not deviating from the boxart is still surprisingly the norm

>>96529326
Brother we're barely on page 6, no throoding yet

>>96522118
>i also think they should all have capes.
you need a simpler unit without a cape to form the baseline aesthetic and then build on top of it
the muscle chestplates are my favorite part of the models, since it looks like a roman gladiator breastplate

>>96528910
>>96529426
I think there's a big difference between thinking you literally have to follow the box art or approved scheme and just having decision paralysis/ don't know shit about color choice and struggle to actually pick what colors you want. I fall into the latter category. It took me like an hour of staring at a necromancer model yesterday to decide that I want to make his cloaks black and brown and leave some select brighter colors for the skulls he carries.

>>96522581
why is the FEC book missing all the rules?
why is the khorne book split into rules and lore instead of just a regular scan?

>>96529471
I generally prefer thunderstrike stormcast over thr 1st edition fatties, but the new shields are imo a downgrade over the simpler old ones.
Also wait a minute are those the fucking upgrade sprue shields?

>>96529523
I get cuaght up trying to make shit up, sometimes painting something how it looks on the box is a nice change of pace.

>>96529578
>Also wait a minute are those the fucking upgrade sprue shields?
ya the celestial warbringer upgrade pack. i think it matches the liberators better

the new shields look good on vidictors, though

I usually play OBR with Nagash, should I drop Nagash if I know I'm going against KO?
Won't they just shoot him off the board in 2 turns max?

>>96529598
First time I've seen one of those kits used in the wild, your stuff looks great anon.
I think the new shield looks good on that one vindictor model you could get as an intro, yknow the one with the spear planted firmly on the ground. But everywhere else I was never a fan. Not like it's bad or anything, just a bit of a downgrade imo.
But yeah that's just my opinion. Great work again anon.

>>96529529
we in crazy times

>Completely KINO lore.
>Worst model range in the game
>Nearly every single Black Library thing involving them is utterly shite
Sad time :(

>>96529731
>>Worst model range in the game
I still think tzeentch is worse

>>96529731
>>Nearly every single Black Library thing involving them is utterly shite
I disagree. Four Thousand Days, Heirs of Grimnir, Blood Gold, Chronicles of the Wanderer, and Grimnirsson are all good.

>>96529751
>I still think tzeentch is worse
Dumb slut.

>>96529751
the flamers are bad, but You can't look at the different wizards, tzangors, and kairos and honeslty tell me that the faction that is exclusively naked dwarves is better. Their best looking unit is "naked dwarf on a lizard" ffs

>>96529751
Tzeentch models made well, its just they are naked retards, or naked bird retards

>>96529751
Tzaangors and the gaunt summoner are cool. I think they just need a chaos warrior equivalent like blood warriors have. New pink horrors are also a no brainer

>>96529753
yea, both Grommy books were great, and Heirs was good, they were also interesting in Realmslayer, and some cool bits in Soulslayer

I wish that DoT's cultists were Cypher Lords and not Kairic Acolytes

>>96529820
Proxy 'em.

>>96529731
Do they square square triangle with those axes?

>>96529836
Gladly but part of that wish is "I wish that they still sold Cypher Lords"

>>96529820
Cypher lords look like they should be an Idoneth warband, not slaves to darkness.

>>96529840
no, they just circle the drain

>>96529770
>Hes still in denial of tzeentch chaos warriors being naked gymbros

KURNOTHI ARMY WHEN?!?!?!

>>96529910
Based on what's been hinted at in recent lore and the way GW releases work, they'll probably release as a Sylvaneth sub-faction either just before the end of 4th or early-ish in 5th.

>>96529910
Done.

>>96529932
BITCH there ain't one welf or centaurelf in that whole fucking army.

>>96529927
That fucking sucks ass. Who the Hell even wanted Chorfs?

>>96529939
>there ain't one welf or centaurelf in that whole fucking army.
And that's a good thing!

>>96529910
first in underworlds, then in warhammer quest, then as a campaign book hero, then in underworlds again, then in warhammer quest again, then as a campaign book hero, again!

>>96529927
Please stop making Kruleboyz-style mismatched subfactions.

>>96529950
>then in warhammer quest
So they're never getting another release because this doesn't exist and never will? Shame.

>>96529950
>first in underworlds, then in warhammer quest
other way around

>>96529959
>mismatched
Warhammer's Woodland faction has literally always been Welves and Forest Spirits. If anything the Sylvaneth are desperately incomplete due to the lack of Wood Elves.

>>96529977
>sylvaneth are incompelte because theres a lack of the lame shit

>>96529948
>And that's a good thing!
May your dick blister and your ballsack split.

>>96529988
It's like releasing Chorfs without Bull Centaurs, or Skaven without Rat Ogres. They're missing what used to be a vital part of the faction as a whole.

>>96529977
>Sylvaneth are desperately incomplete
They have a very well rounded unit roster where the hell are you even coming from?

>>96530008
>They have a very well rounded unit roster where the hell are you even coming from?
In terms of lore and overall theme, inbred dick rider.

>>96530000
No, its like sacking the basic skaven, and only keeeping the skryre kino

>>96530000
Nah, wood elves are lame, sylvaneth is composed of all the more interesting members of that roster. if you want something very default and vanilla, you can look at LRL or play middle earth.

>>96529927
>early-ish in 5th

>>96529932
based autist who can't understand nuance

>>96529889
I never said that lad. I just said they need a chaos warrior equivalent, I didn't say what they needed to look like. It'd just be nice for them to have something that shares design cues with the curseling

>>96529959
Fuck that we don't need a million different tomes for every slightly different army concept. If you don't like the new stuff don't use it.

Curious if SoG updates were the same authors of the books.

Khorne, SBGL updates are pretty mediocre like the books.

KO and FEC definitely feels like the same writer as tomes.

Nighthaunt update looks like an exception. Don't know enough about IDK whether to say their updates were by the same people.

>>96530079
Looks like Nurgle's gettin' the chaos warriors this time around!

Deffo not using that as my excuse to finally get into nurgle...

>>96529939
>That fucking sucks ass. Who the Hell even wanted Chorfs?
chorfs will be AoS's most successful army release

>>96530171
it might have been if they hadn't shown anything regarding gameplay prior to release. Most of the stat lines and abilities with the exception of cavalry all seem pretty underwhelming.

>>96530017
Their overall theme is literally jusu tree people. Give the Kurnothi to the cities to replace the squared pointy eats

>>96529959
Fuck you and your microfaction loving ass

>>96530204
CoS are fantasy astra militarum

ANONS NOT A DRILL, Stormbringer US finally fucking added more issues to the online store.

https://www.hachettecollections.com/en-us/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-stormbringer/?_kx=Ij5vrHwMm2Sw7_cw89tuLxIM68CvJvnfFI1bV4Cfn80.XtBy8r

Sylvaneth went so far in the tree direction having normal elfs alongside them now is going to be weird.
I do like the concept of
>weird plant elves
>weird animal elves
as two constituent forces of the "army of life", that's pretty cool conceptually. But i don't know if they can look coherent next to each other on the tabletop

>>96530197
>seem pretty underwhelming.
>basic troops have 3+ saves, access to wards and generate you free resources
>cavalry is fast, deals absurd damage and half of its damage is mortal wounds, damage 3 attacks
>generic cavalry character gives cav in 24" bubble retreat and charge
>named cav character is a wizard with a +3 casting bonus
>ranged infantry can get rend -3, hit and wound on 2+, damage 2 at 18"
>melee monster 2+ save, 7 attacks at damage 4 with fights twice
>one 30" artillery 2s and 3s with rend -2 against most targets
>the other 30" artillery rend -3 damage d3+2 against large targets
>unlimited spell at long range that halves enemy movement

you need to lay off the warpstone crack for a while, this army is gonna be a real problem if the points arent sky high

>>96530197
tell that to my AoA blunderbussies hitting on 2s, wounding on 2s, with rend 3 and 2 damage each

>>96530266
>>96530272
nta but it does ride on points pretty much.

Don't care much for the army but some of the things mentioned are a little deceiving and already exist in the game for other armies and are pretty eh. Like the spearmen are basically mortek guard, the construct even with max DPP is going to wound with 2-3 attacks with -1 rend, the shooting units might be damage 2 but cap out at 10 with 1 attack each etc.

the obvious answer is just to spam the bulls. there's no secret sauce, pretty much all the books are like this because they can't figure out how to make non unique heroes both cost less than a unit & also bring something to the table that's not on a 3+ roll and worth it.

Interested in kruleboyz, what should I know about them before diving in? Any overpriced plastic in their roster or must-haves?

>>96530335
>what should I know about them before diving in
They are absurdly fun to play in Spearhead.

>>96530272
What is the logical justification for these guys having half the wounds of skryre acolytes

>>96530335
pretty fun to paint.
can get some stuff extremely cheap on ebay

>>96530217
>no stormcast dragons
Lame

>>96530375
They're going to put out a second ranged infantry set that's better in 6 months, now pay up.

>>96530335
Dominion halves go very very cheap still on third party market. Snatch up a couple to get your gutrippas and for cheap. Boltboyz are also really really good and really fun to paint

>>96530380
If they keep adding shit they'll be some of the last kits

>>96530335
skip the vulture to start out. it is technically good, but its like 200pts for $200, terrible value

follow >>96530217
link and browse the page, they have boltboyz for $13 for 3, which is about 75% off retail, buy like 18-24 of those.

you can get gutrippaz for cheap on ebay, you'll want probably 20-40 of those, or less if you want to instead run monsta killaz. monsta killaz are cheaper, minimum size unit objective hunters and monster wranglers, gutrippaz are more of a central block in the middle.

get like 40 hobgrots just because you can buy them for about $1 a model since no one wants them and theres a ton on the market, they can be acceptable screens in a pinch.

you can also get the killbow for $13 from that link above as well, maybe get 1 or 2 of that, its decent but niche.

sludgeraker is kind of a cheapish debuff character, fights kinda well, moderately useful. skumdrek got a glow up recently that helps shore up the armies bad RNG, decent argument for both

mirebrute is a fucking beatstick machine that will wipe 30 dudes off the table in a single combat if they let him.

kragnos is technically a must have auto include right now but he's expensive $$$ and kinda clashes visually, but if you like the model and money is no object he's points well spent.

sloggoth is weird, he plays well with kragnos but otherwise clashes with KB bait and evade gameplay

killaboss on foot skip, murknob skip, slittaboss skip, swampcalla shaman auto include, killaboss on gnashtoof good objective piece since seasonal warscroll

skip the spells and terrain until you have the rest of the army to use them.

general gameplay loop is teleporty shooters/chaff and baiting people into charges and making them fight last against your punchy monsters and fat gutrippa blocks. more nuance than that but thats the 10000 foot view gameplan.

When do pre-orders usually go live?
I've heard it's "during the morning in the UK", so I assume it's not midnight then?

>>96530412
>terrain
Kruleboyz have faction terrain? Or do they use that bosspole thing?

>>96530375
no sleeves

>>96530442
they use the bosspole thing, same with the endless spells they just share the generic ork ones.

I've lost the last of my FLGS players to The Old World. 3rd edition killed off a few who hated stuff like shooting changes, others got pissed off with Broken Realms looking rushed and cemented what a short shelf life they expect books to have and 4th was hopeful at first but it feels like they think its Spearhead or nothing and losing stuff to the "one system per mini" bullshit really didn't help.

How do i get interest in AoS at my locals again when all newbies see is people playing ToW having a good time walking around a table three times to move a square tray 5 inches and go "yup" for like two hours and somehow having a good time?

>>96530451
this is a troll, nobody plays tow lmao

>>96530445
>they use the bosspole thing
Gay and lame.

>>96530451
>Broken Realms looking rushed
WTF? This is bait I know but c'mon anon. Don't pick the best shit ever released for AoS and try to say it's bad. Shit on Dawnbringers. That makes sense at least.

>>96530442

yeah its the bosspole. i would focus on getting an army first and then if you have cash left over or at a later date, pick up the bosspole and endless spells, they arent make or break, and you need an army to use them in the first place

if i had to recommend a good starter army list for kruleboyz 2000pts for a new player i'd get something like this. it focuses on the cheap essential kits instead of the flashy $200 ones, it can be altered to skew in other directions as you develop a taste for what you want out of the army, its got a good sprinkling of everything, and most of these units can be gotten cheaply through stormbringer and ebay.

I wish KO had Gyrocopters. The lore mentions them from the very beginning and even in modern AoS.

>>96530493
this is another option that swaps skumdrek down for a cheaper character and trades out some gutrippaz for monsta killaz for more unit count and better trading.

downside is that the monsta killaz kit is most definitely more expensive to buy than ebay gutrippaz, so it'll set you back an extra $100 or so

If Fyreslayers get a new Spearhead with a Magmadroth and more than just 4 units of Vulkite Berzerkers, I'd love to get it. Would be pretty cool to match up against the Helsmiths.

>>96530516
then field them, as gunhaulers

>>96530563
Forgot pic :(

>>96530412
wait is the boss on gnashtoof spearhead box exclusive?

>>96530572
man i want to get magmadroths but fuckin $100 a piece now, its too much, but they havent included one of those things in a deal box in like 5 years

What time do the Helsmiths go up for pre-order in the UK tomorrow?

>>96530582
either that or dominion box yeah.

>>96530582
he came in the dominion box from a few years ago, he's on a strange mixed sprue with some other stuff in the starter box

>>96530569
They aren't even remotely close in size

>>96530603
it don't matter

>>96530603
closer than you think if you assemble them with the longer rear structure

>>96530488
Did you not play AoS back then?
>GW posts a bunch of prerelease hype media including "Broken Reals: Allariel" including coasters with each cover as the art
>When it finally ships there is no Allariel book
>Big chunk of time skipped in the narrative
>Leakers since confirmed this was meant to be a Beastmen line revamp event that was canned and Kragnos, their centerpiece became a generic
>Release so quick the last book was FAQ'ed before its release
>Then a GHB or some other big revamp makes the whole lot useless but people go "b-but they are at least collection worthy for the lore!"
>The lore as with most of "the era of the beast" isn't just sidelined but forgotten to the point GW themselves this year made mention of how "things were left unsaid".

Broken Realms was fucking dogwater mate.

>>96530586
I missed a Start Collecting box that was complete for $80. Balls.

>>96530646
>>Leakers since confirmed this was meant to be a Beastmen line revamp event that was canned and Kragnos, their centerpiece became a generic
none of this is true

>>96530629
>>96530603

>>96530681
>What's perspective?

>>96530735
let's goooo

>>96530735
>Talk of other, less welcome aberrations being whelped is ruthlessly suppressed. Yet rumours endure. As machines hiss around them, forge labourers mutter of wicked, sorcerous creatures with the bodies of beasts and heads of duardin elders lurking in the shadows of Hashut's high temples
LAMMASU LAMMASU LAMMASU LAMMASU

>>96530735
"Seeker of the Dread Dirge" is a strange name for a RoR. Maybe it's just one model — Daemonsmith on Taurus? Dominator Engine?

>>96530735
>The duardin still produce less revered — if no less obsessively wrought — automata to toil in their forges: eternally screaming daemon engines with fourfold cutter-limbs or sentient crushing devices that groan and gnash with teeth of dirty iron.
Where the fuck are THOSE? Fuck the stupid stumpy bull; show me that shit.

>>96530809
it's actual forging machines, not weapons or war machines.

>>96530813
Oh. Lame.

>>96530217
Jealous of those sylvaneth issues, seems like a pretty steep discount. I almost regret pulling the trigger on a KO spearhead instead

>>96530813
while it doesnt make sense for most armies to bring their smithies and leatherworkers onto the battlefield, that is something dwarfs are kind of known to do

>>96530646
>>Leakers since confirmed this was meant to be a Beastmen line revamp event that was canned and Kragnos, their centerpiece became a generic
No they didn't? The canned beastmen stuff was dawnbringers with ghorraghan khai and the spider incarnate and shit, nevermind the whole kragnos stuff. Try to keep up anon

>>96530829
yeah they could make one a terrain piece like the magmic battleforge.

>>96530838
>>96530646
do either of you actually have a screenshot of said leaks you are debating?

horses mouth and all that

>>96530217

which issue do you need to make just the basic treeman, is that 40 or 41?

>>96530827
I picked up like 4 treelords (regretably got one full kit for 60 instead to use the rest of the sprue to make other shit instead of just ancient)

>>96530876
It's 2 sprues, 40 makes a treelord ancient and whole body, 41 has the durthu and generic parts on it. (And a base I think?)

>>96530858
I have no idea where he's getting his info from but as for the spider incarnate etc being part of a scrapped dawnbringers thing, the ogre rumourmonger posted about it on tga like a week ago. Since deleted his post but another guy on there copy pasted it, picrel. His actual ogre ramblings seem to be corroborated by whitefang, so we can assume he's got some insider info at least. Excuse the phoneposting

>>96530451
Can’t force people to have fun with something they don’t find fun. If you really want to stay there and with them, and if it’s now a GW store, maybe try OPR? Otherwise head to another place that would have sigmar players

>>96530912
>supposed to be an entire dispossessed revival storyline and model range
>scrapped because of The Old farts

sad

>>96530912
Do people just blindly believe each and every "leak" that is posted?

>>96530964
Here's another mention of the spider incarnate being scrapped, along with intact dawnbringers terrain...

>>96530129
It's a good army, many customization options for the kits that are already out, and they are easy to paint too.

>>96530998
>>96530129
if you guys like the old blightkings kit or some of the blightkings characters like lord of plagues or spume, i would get them now, dont wait. shit might be OOP sooner than you think

hell i wouldnt be surprised if glottkin eat a squatting. seems like they are trying to cut all ties with anything pre 2015 since old world started yoinking shit back with apparently little internal warning or discussion

>>96531006
I already have a Lord of Plagues and 1 unit of Blightkings. Thinking about a second one though.

>>96531006
>since old world
that's definitely not the reason, aos lost stuff like the warshrine without tow getting it, and it has already codified why their narrative won't talk about chaos divided, but only undivided.

>>96530964
Depends on who says it and who corroborates it. Whitefang has an impeccable track record so basically anything he says is taken in high esteem. Then you got a couple of less consistent guys like wfbmu who are generally still good but you gotta squint a bit.
This boole character only had one post before the whole ogre shit, where he correctly identified skaventide as havig 74 models (pretty specific) and the skaven contents (a bit easier). Then he dropped the whole ogre/mosscairn shit, which has since been picked up by whitefang so people generally believe boole's ramblings. It's not a 100% but worth taking a look at. As for the spider incarnate stuff that's been a well known thing floating around for a while, basically confirmed by that one artwork. See also >>96530978

>>96531006
Retarded aaahh post of the thread

>>96531061
>>96531037
whatever cope helps you sleep at night. you miss out on those kits once they get discontinued dont say i didnt warn ya

>>96531006
Already got a box of blightkings for conversion bits. My original plan was converted chaos warriors but I’m gonna wait and see what the new units look like.
I am worried about the maggoth lords going away since I love those daemons they ride. Not sure it is worth losing sleep over though, since if the models go away then surely the rules will too?

>>96531006
If they kill the glottkin I'd be very sad but he can always be a great unclean one. Besides, festus is coming so clearly mortals from the old world can exist without many issues. But I was planning on getting Gutrot regardless, been waiting on this guy to get back to me on a 150 buck shudderblight cyst on top of what I've picked up.

>>96531061
>Retarded aaahh
Begone with your retarded zoomer speak

>>96530735
Gimme more, gimme more!

>>96530735
I wasn't too impressed with the chorfs when first shown off but the artwork and alternate colour schemes is bringing me around to them. If they cut the battletome and release the spearhead for normal prices like they did with skellies and shitmob I might be tempted to pick up a spearhead and a couple of bull centaurs.

>>96531343
>I might be tempted to pick up a spearhead and a couple of bull centaurs.
good news, the spearhead is the same as the army box just with the bull centaurs cut. You might as well get that

>>96531453
NTA, there are no centaurs in the armybox anon.
That's why he's waiting for the spearhead so he won't have to buy the book twice.

Excluding most demons, I kind of have 1 of everything for tzeentch. I’m only really missing the ogroid and the disc gaunt.
Really hope their new spearhead isn’t shit….

>Blightkings refresh
>Maggoth Lords stay
Weird, that's the one thing I think looks kinda jank

>>96531621
i made my own out of a hill giant, fits better with the blightkings

>>96531462
is there actually any difference in the models between the army box and the spearhead? just hobgrots?

>>96531648
No, they said the army box IS the spearhead since it's a new army

>>96531711
nice, removes a bit of FOMO for once

>>96531621
Do we have confirmation that blightkings are getting refreshed yet?

>>96531764
None

>>96531764
just a rumour from a leaker with a good track record

Fuck.
Wanted to get some Chorfs

>>96532078
Said rumor monger was drunk and was extremely vauge

>>96532094
what the absolute fuck is GWs problem

i swear to god at this point they have an in house corporate ebay scalping department and are making bank off of the artificial scarcity

>>96532094
upside downer detected opinion discarded

>>96529939
>>96530171
>chorfs will be AoS's most successful army release
my vindication is coming quite quickly >>96532094

>>96532135
Feels like it

>>96532137
Why so mad? Just because we have a better standard of life than you?

>>96532139
Wouldn't surprise me, I think they're something people really want

>>96532135
The amount of times my LGS has said something along the lines of "our shipment was delayed/cut down without reason" has been pretty fucking wild considering GW isn't some small company.

It's been downhill since the Emperor's Children box from what I can tell.

>>96531621
Im confused with Maggothlords not having a generic option, you have 3 named nobody characters, from fucking end times, that nobody knows or cares about, and you keep their names for what reason exactly?

>>96532169
yeah, its definitely gotten worse over the last year or two, my flgs also said their GW rep was threatening to withhold their allocation of new products unless they buy $500+ of excess backstock of stuff that wasnt selling that they already had on their shelves (hint it wasnt aos or 40k), so they're trying to use scarcity of new stock to strong arm FLGS's into buying dead stock

>>96532200
>>96532200
>>96532200

>>96530266
I doubt it really, the cav have offense but are complete paper and will have to carry the faction. Cohort are worse longbeards no one plays. Shooting sucks with the whole board obscuring and will be super easy to remove. No teleports, no recursion, no summoning, golems are slow as shit and useless without 3 dpp.

>>96530380
>>96530396
zero chance we ever get those issues in stock, juicy ones are 72, 73, 57.