Thread 96521928

This crazy pile of anime garbage is at least a better game than pathfinder. When the hell did they add bloodbowl to the game as blitzball - this game is so fully featured its not funny.

Seriously considering DMing an open table for this game

why is there a gunbreaker archetype called space marine and why is it locked to the pupu race

the mastery system they replaced favored class bonus with is straight out of FF11 wtf

>>96521930
There's a bunch of meme stuff like that.

>>96522264
what are some highlights you've found?

>>96521928 (OP)
I'm not a big fan of tabletop RPGs based on video games but this one's kind of impressive, and I like that there's a dark knight class.

>>96522267
>doomguy
>solid snake

>>96522312
lmao how far to journey of the 5 are we? Just missing a Devil Trigger and Hero of Time class.

>>96522286
unironically FFd20 has the best version of Paladin in print

>>96521928 (OP)
This game is way too mechanically dense.

>>96522893
What's it like being retarded?

>>96523008
I wouldn't know.

>>96522893
Are the mechanics that dense or is it just thicc fkin character sheets making you sweat?

Nice for no dead levels to finally mean no dead levels

>>96522143
What's the problem

>>96524844
its a much cooler system than FCBs. I wish it was better organized. No hyperlinks on that page its just a huge pile of rules for the 30ish classes

If I open a campaign up would you prefer something more FF1, FF6 or FF8 in terms of timeline/technology?

>>96521928 (OP)
>final fantasy
>anime
Since when?

>>96525628
Final Fantasy IV when Tokita Tezuka became the main story writer.

>>96525636
>Final Fantasy IV
That's a game.

>>96524735
The mechanics are that dense. It's like 4 times the length of actual Pathfinder for character features and Pathfinder is already too fucking dense.

>>96525639
That was designed for the express purpose of feeling like an anime.

>>96525774
Apple juice feels like gasoline.
Guess I can use it to run my car, huh?

>>96525628
Final Fantasy Legend of the Crystals
Final Fantasy Unlimited
Final Fantasy The Spirits Within
Final Fantasy Advent Children
Last Order Final Fantasy VII

>>96525778
I hope you're just trolling, because if you legitimately thing that is an apt comparison you're not smart enough to be allowed on the internet unsupervised.

>>96525785
These are all based on video games, not manga.

>>96525801
What does that have to do with anything?

>>96525798
>feelings being relevant to state of being isn't an apt comparison to feelings being relevant to state of being
Yeah okay dude.
Give your handler a break and go to bed.

So, where's a pdf/compilation of the rules, saars?
>>96525461
I really enjoy the architecture and environments of 10 and 12.
>Rabanastre and Besaid themes start playing

>>96525807
>what does the literal condition of something being anime have to do with a discussion about something not being anime
gee I dunno it's a mystery

>>96525814
Anime doesn't have to be based off of manga you moron.

>>96525814
there are anime originals and book adaptations
If anything a solid 40% of current anime is book adaptations

>>96525801
irrelevant complaint. What the anime is based on doesn't fucking matter, its still anime if it's Japanese animation.

>>96525778
You sure about that? Go drink a quart of each and come back to us with a report, 300 word limit but 100 words minimum.

>>96525813
https://www.finalfantasyd20.com/

buy an ad

>>96525818
>>96525821
You are wrong. I am right. You lost.

>>96527841
Thanks.

>>96525995
I'm glad you agree that feelings are irrelevant to state of being

>>96528013
Yet you seem to completely misunderstand that chemical compounds are not the same as narrative structures, inspiration, art styles, and the fact that the creators of the games call it anime and their opinion about their own works are more important than yours.
But, you know, keep being a retard if you must.

>>96528094
it's the autist that alwats ends up spamming that they are right over and over again, don't waste your time

>>96525640
I think this is a good thing not a bad thing. Whats wrong with dense mechanics when your character sheet has a print out or is hyperlinked?

>>96521928 (OP)
what was the result of the big fight between tis one and the d6 one?
I remember reading at least one of these systems like a decade ago. it might have been this one since I remember there being a full race spec for Umaro.

>>96528613
the d6 one is interesting but I would never play it, its way too mathy. I think they use combat formulas ripped straight out of gamefaqs

>>96528094
And you're misunderstanding that whenever anyone talks about "fEeLiNgS" they conveniently ignore the structural traits of the subject.
Saying a video game "feels like anime", makes as much sense as saying pic related "feels like a dessert". Interactive media will never feel like static media to someone with a solid grasp on reality.
You're like those retards who put on a dress because they "feel like a woman", even though they have an Adam's apple and a set of nuts; trying to insist reality suits your delusional feelings.

>>96530219
You're not just retarded, you're a lost cause.

>>96528559
Increases the length of time to grasp the game. Makes it slow to a fucking crawl while the table's learning it.

>>96521928 (OP)
I'm in.
I'll play with ya.

>>96530219
All I'm reading is
>I can connect art with real feelings
it's a shame that autism is keeping you from a basic human experience.

>>96530322
I have trained my players to learn their characters before they show up at the table

>>96530405
What class are you going to play anon?

>>96530315
>sttack on the person
>>96530667
>attack on the person

Your concession is accepted.

he's not a person he's a retard, you lose

>>96531791
This isn't an academic debate. This is you getting tilted at being wrong on the internet.

why are /tg/ers the most unpleasant people on the website?

>>96534056
Because to an even greater extent than the rest of the site this place has devolved to little more than a septic tank where the maladjusted autists who been banned from any place with halfway functional moderation settle.

>>96534295
so you're a tourist moderator or something?

fucking time mages are bullshit

Been running a campaign of this for two years now in my own setting for players who don't really know anything about Final Fantasy and its been a blast. Considering most of them were 5e babies or had never played a ttrpg before, watching them get sucked into the class rabbit hole is great. Would recommend.

>>96541330
tell us about your group. What classes are they playing? What is your campaign like - are you emphasizing any of the subsystems like materia or guardian espers or subjobs? Hows the plot?

>>96541469
I'll spill the beans once I have my break at work if the thread's still alive. Always happy to gush about my players and campaign.

>>96521928 (OP)
ALL d20 games are trash by virtue of the flat statistical distribution alone. Garbage in, garbage out.

>>96534056
Because everyone that wouldn't be immediately banned anywhere else left long ago. The only people left on tg at this point are people who literally can't make it anywhere else.

>>96531791
>Everyone is laughing at me, making me the victor.
Nobody is debating you, retard. They are making fun of you.

>>96521928 (OP)
How is it like compared to ffd6? Do geomancers get as much love?

>>96543657
>filtered by a dodecahedron
l ma oo

>>96544208
Geomancers get a full spell list plus the ability to do a free nuke+disable depending on what kind of tile they are standing on pretty much straight out of FFT. They will get access to light armor and shields but can get tankier with PrCs can can full attack+geomancy with some builds. Their spell list has nuking and healing and they get some druid/ranger wilderness utility. Very versitile midline mage with strong damage potential. They also get group buffs like FF11 geomancers.

>>96521928 (OP)
You'd have to be actively trying or submitting an incomplete game to do worse than PF 2nd ED.
How well does mana translate to a tabletop system, anyway?

fucking green mage is hiding in the scholar class under archetypes complete with its own spell list

>>96544496
Mana is alot like psionic power points, you get a big pile of them so you can churn out your highest level spells if you want to. No psionic focus nessacary and no fancy augments.

Spell learning is rather liberal you can turn gold into extra spells pretty easily

>>96544496
mana regens kind of slow though. 8 hours for caster level+casting mod MP and 24 hours for full mp. Buy lots of ethers or bring a chemist

>>96544419
>full spell list
So, already more love than ffd6's "make your own spell" stuff.
>FFT
Ok, I'm sold. I'll dust off the damn d20s.

>>96541469
The group has changed members over the years with my brother being the only truly consistent players who'se been there since day one. I typically run smaller campaigns that all take place in the same world. The players are currently about 2/3rds of the way through a high level campaign(13 atm) and we're starting a low level campaign(3) on the off weeks when one of the players is out of town for schooling.
For subsystems the only ones I use other than the base materia rules are Moogle in the Room and a system from PF1e called background skills that gives some extra skill points each level that can only be spent on the less useful skills.

Current party for the high level is:
>Lord Mortis - Skullshield Necromancer - A noble undead knight who looks scary as fuck from a time long past. He fights for justice alongside his undead baby tonberry familiar named Bartleby. He's also a tailor and crafts a lot of the party's magical gear.
>Skip - Al Bhed Red Mage - A member of the Warrior's Respite, a neutral guild of mercenaries who act as mediators between the four kingdoms of the continent. Joined for easy money but has become the heart of the team as the oldest living member. Blessed by Fat Chocobo and spent all of her money from the last arc buying onions to evolve it.
>Zoarin Alhesta - Varg Elemental Dragoon - A member of the Dalernian Royal Dragoons hunting a traitor to his order. Regularly jumps 120 feet in the air. The dice gods love how unbelievably reckless he is.
>Bramble and Pod - Cactuar Verdant Rider Beastmaster - An Indiana Jones style whip master and treasure hunter who rides on a giant vine snake he grew from his head. Just left the party to assist some NPC's for a solo mission in his hometown in the desert while they take on the more immenint threats.

>>96545767
The crew is just about to assist Garland(Leader of the Warrior's Respite) in the assault of a corrupted underwater temple to kill Kraken before he summons the zombie biomechanical war machine that is Leviathan's corpse back into this world and brings about a disaster of colossal proportions.

The low level campaign follows a group of new recruits to the Blackfire Torch, a joint effort between the four nations and the Warrior's Respite to combat the forces of the Mad Primal Shiva from the northern tundra. Its basically the wall from GoT. Just a bunch of mooks trying to survive the meat grinder.

Charactera aren't fleshed out yet but the party is
>Hume Shadow Monarch Necromancer(Literally the Sung Jin Woo/Solo Levelling archetype)
>Tonkin Field Specialist Medic(Doctor with a gun)
>Hume Viper Ninja(Loses ninjutsu but can fuse any two weapons together into a double weapon and gets a bunch of two-weapon foghting shit)
>Gnath Chemist(Alchemical vending machine).

>>96544501
Huh, when were green mages a thing?

>>96546520
green magic was a licence in FF12 base game and it got expanded to a viera class in FFTA2. Green mages also feature in the mobile FFT. Its ivalice deeplore

>Based on PF1

Already a giant red flag from the start

>>96545788
>gnath in the party
I approve. This second set of four is the low level game right?

Same necromancer player in both games - is that your brother? Have you used Nybeth in your game or Hyne?

There was a FFTA fanhack that replaced the morpher with a necromancer but malboro was bugged so you had the necro kit and the ability to shape shift into a malboro when needed, it was kino.

>>96546950
why

>>96545788
How has Beastmaster been? Has monster collection been a major theme of your campaign?

>>96521928 (OP)
Main issue with FFd20 is that you very much Need to print your shit, because the site has a downright notorious update rate. Fantastic strength to the project, that it constantly updates to keep itself 'balanced'- but it's also the biggest weakness because one second the rules say one thing, and the moment you need to clarify a rule they'll have revamped it for some reason or another.

Also, every class- and there are Many -have at least one or two meme Archetypes based on other media. Like the Fencer have Archetypes based on Kamen Rider... Zi-O? And the other one's a Force Sensitive.
>Ninja get TMNT and Spider-Man.

>>96547120
yeah I saw someone doing kamen rider clock up shit. FF14 judges always looked like sentai villians, I guess everything comes full circle

>>96546950
Pf1 is a good frame for a system it's just that everything built on it is shit. I still need to look at FFd20 more before I make my judgement but a system that keeps that frame and avoids problems like ivory tower game design and mages trivializing encounters with a single spell could be really good.

>>96547046
Skullshield and the Viper is my brother. Shadow Monarch is a new player for the low level campaign. Younger guy playing actual D&D for the first time so his first character is going to be pretty derivative.
I have those two in my world but they're on a different continent than the one the campaign takes place on. Maybe once we finish the high level campaign I'll set the next one over there.
I know Mandragora's can get some Malboro stuff as racials and blue mages can learn bad breath and its contemporaries. I thiiiink there's an entire archetype built around maboro stuff but I don't remember what class its for.

>>96547083
Beastmaster has been pretty good. Bramble is super unoptimized but the nice thing about ffd20 is you can't really fuck up your build since the classes themselves are so strong. Bramble focuses on inflicting minor status effects with no save and crit fishing to proc extra attacks for his giant fuck off plant snake with grab. Its very similar to the Hunter class from pf1e where you heavily focus on having the scariest animal companion you can and fighting alongside them. If you want your typical catch and release Beastmaster you'll want to check out the Tamer archetype.

>>96548084
is your low level game recruiting or is it an IRL game, anon?

Something I want to gush in this system is that Alchemical items are super useful, the increased amount of status effects rule, and elemental damage is a lot more important, with most enemies having weaknesses or defenses that are actually relevant and interesting. Its actually mindblowing how much more fun it is to use elemental magics when the type you use actually matters.

>>96548170
IRL for both but I was thinking of putting together one for online in the near future so I could rope in some friends who moved away. You interested anon?

>>96548227
Yeah I could enjoy an online game, be it a standard game or an open table with big FF11/12 inspired dungeons

>>96548227
please tell me there is no wario ware class for dancer

>>96548639
Got any socials? I dont know when the game will be off the ground and it might not be a full campaign just due to time constraints on my part but I'll get in touch with you when it starts for a trial run.

>>96548647
God I wish. The closest is probably just this generic one. https://www.finalfantasyd20.com/classes/hybrid-classes/dancer/archetypes/coryphee/

>>96548746
I've got discord but I have a bunch of special characters in my username so it wont post to site

After skimming some of the docs and stuff, I really want to try DMing this for my friends. Only downside is the only FF gaymes I played enough of were tactics and 12.
>>96543657
What do you consider a good system, then? D100 FASERIP?

>>96551245
BRP, Genesys, Call of Cthulhu, Traveller

>>96521928 (OP)
How well does it hold up at high levels? Would be cool to use those high level Pathfinder monsters in a game that doesn't fall apart long before reaching them.

>>96552575
Characters in ffd20 are significantly more powerful than PF1e and, for the most part, so are the enemies so dont be afraid to through some of the more powerful monsters at them if you're porting them over. My party >>96545767 was consistently beating CR 15/16 creatures at 12(probably the equivalent of fighting cr17/18 creatures in pf1e), though they are pretty loaded with gear and some of the fights were fairly close. You could easily bring in some big boy PF1e monsters and convert them over. I have a house rule that any enemy with the Boss tag gets two initiatives in the fight so they dont get action economied down too hard.

>>96521928 (OP)
This is a Pathfinder adaptation? It's probably not too bad, especially if you like Pathfinder, but there's alternatives out there.

I recommend Fabula Ultima as an alternative. You sort of mix and match class features to custom build your character, and it's very heavily inspired by stuff like FF and Chrono Trigger.

>>96553070
>nooo don't play this, play [current FotM] instead!!!
Lame.

>>96553070
Fabula Ultima looked more nostalgia driven than design driven. It lacks the foundation to create such rich class identity as FFd20

>>96552575
double their HP if you are running for 3, triple their HP if you are running for six

>>96554185
If you can fix it by multiplying their HP that's still an improvement over Pathfinder where the wizard just casts a spell that makes the problem go away.

ahhhh this system takes so much more DM prep than what I am used to. This is a terrible system to design a megadungeon BUT I CANNOT STOP

>>96530219
>makes as much sense as saying pic related "feels like a dessert".

it can

not being able to imagine connections between two unrelated things is a you problem

What kind of faggot resurrects a pointless argument that petered out days earlier?

>>96561287
do something about it

>>96521928 (OP)
Played a few custom games as a Dark knight and a Gunner.
FFd20 has no overall balance, classes vary from absolutely bonkers shit and borderline unplayable trash.
But it's fun.

>>96561594
yeah pathfinder was so obsessed with balance, this edition really captures the fun feel of 3.5

>>96553070
>Fabula Ultima
Fabula Ultima is only take the aesthetic of FF in art direction. It's a dumb down system, an inferior version of Ryutama. Even the creator said FU is more shitty chinese gacha game than FF

>>96561594
Is Dark Knight as OP as people say? How was gunner?

>>96562205
>Is Dark Knight as OP as people say
The class literally has saves against EVERYTHING, self heals out of the ass, lots of defense(like 50% evade with tons of temp HP) and insane damage.
Man, just look at this shit, it's bonkers if you consider that you can heal yourself and ALSO have Dark Side that ALSO buffs your damage.
>How was gunner?
Not really OP by any means, practically Gunslinger but more maneuverability.

>>96563693
It's a one man army

>>96563693
that damage install looks like another class archetype's limit break at level 18.

Fukkin Kino m8

>>96563749
>gets the temporary HP he would from a Bull's Strength spell and part of the benefit of the Improved Invisibility spell, for a very short duration
Why is it game breaking when a martial can do a worse version of things casters can do?

>>96567194
martials in this game are built different. I dont think the standard 3.5 tier list set up applies to this game.

>>96567194
They would fit in right next to 3.5 wizard, cleric, or druid, sure. But FFd20 is supposed to operate on a different level where casters are more reined in.

Some shit in there is just plain overpowered, Freelancer is made for minmaxing. Pic related is completely busted.

>>96567933
yeah if I wanted to play this system I would ban freelancers. I wonder why calculator gets segregated to the same section of the SRD

>>96567933
You ain't seen nothing yet.
Time mage can travel back in time, up to 1k fucking years

>>96570304
this is the 9th level spell right? Even without the spell list the time mote class feature is fuckin bullshit on time mage. Good luck DMing for this shit lol

This RPG has really come along, huh. Very cool full conversion of PF1.

>>96574866
What parts have you seen that you like?

>>96570304
>same location but a different time
>end up floating in space

I want to DM an open table mega dungeon for this game but I doubt I can get the 12ish players I want

>>96575660
A lot of the posts here have good examples like the Dark Knight and Geomancer, but I think it boils down to:
1) tons of class options
2) MP instead of spell slots, a D&D sacred cow I can't stand
3) classes have many and interesting/impactful abilities as they level up. I'm used to 3/5e crap like "you have +1 on this skill check" or "once per day you can do thing that is not appreciably better than a basic attack or mediocre spell" or outright dead levels.

>>96553061
>>96555237
I also agree with these. It's not necessarily cool that players are more powerful by numbers, but rather that they have more effective and more thematic options available from their classes that aren't just basic combat or the usual repertoire of OP spells.

>>96581300
3 is the big one. Actually no dead levels, very few feat taxes