Thread 96528692

Summon the clans, inform the guilds, and pop the casks, it's dwarf time.

MUSTER THE THRONG

Wahey.

>>96528692 (OP)
stfu please fuck ur races and other ones same with humans

MAN THE GATES!

GRIIIIMNIIIIIR

>>96528692 (OP)
Hell yeah! Currently have three tabletop Dwarf armies I split my time and work between, considering adding a fourth!

>>96528692 (OP)
Dwarf dwarfing time

Tis a blessed day!

Let's talk Underway. Or whatever analog dwarfs should use to get around between their various cities. I always wondered how the fuck they carved them to be so massive.

>>96531441
It's called the Screaming Seas. It's a vast cavernous area under the world that's flooded. Geothermal activity keeps the water near boiling, the steam occasionally blowing through tight cavernous areas like a tea kettle, giving the sea it's name. It acts as a gateway more or less to the world below, which gets weirder and weirder the closer it gets to the world battery. Dwarves traverse it with giant ships of metal, the people that ply those water are a grim and superstitious folk.

>>96531441
Personally I take the "No sleep" thing from Elfs and give it to Dwarfs. Either as-is where they just doze for a few hours per night or altered like they can stay awake for days and then sleep for 24 hours on Sunday. I also make them more resilient to fatigue when they have to make Forced March checks and the like.

I don't really understand where it comes from or what it's supposed to represent and accomplish for Elfs. Elfs live naturally. They don't need to spend tireless days bending the branches of their treetop cities or whatever. They build in and around what's occurring already or the trees themselves bend to home them.

Dwarfs have to carve their space inch by inch and if there's not some innumerable population of workers, doing something like Moria for instance would be an insanely lengthy process even if you bless them with some extra technological advancements like minecarts and cranes and such.

>>96531441
>I always wondered how the fuck they carved them to be so massive.
They probably took advantage of natural caverns. Well that, and it also probably took them thousands of years to finish. They probably weren't always so nice looking.
>>96531656
I always liked the idea that dwarves just take naps whenever possible. It's not like they'd have a reason to have a steady circadian rhythm, what with living underground and all.

For some strange reason, dwarves never developed currency. At most you have the usual bribe of honey bread, beer, or cured meats to smooth over exchanges of goods. However the most this race of women have used coin for, is to hollow them out as stylish armors akin to scale maille just because they look nice.
When elves hire them as mercenaries, they must pay in raw goods.

The Elf thread lasts days. Weeks.
Dorfs can't survive the weekend. What gives? Thought these were the popular reddit race yadda yadda.

>>96538633
I guess you could say dwarf threads just fall short!

>>96538633
What are you on about?
Last dwarf thread lasted a few weeks. Also don't try to turn elf/dwarf threads into shit flinging about the other.

>>96538633
>The Elf thread lasts days. Weeks.
>Dorfs can't survive the weekend. What gives?
Leaves move around a lot. Rocks not so much.

>>96532338
Holy mother of bait.
>>96538633
The elf thread is full of autists screaming at each other and when those take a break coomers and sloppers fill in.

Tell me of the origins of your dwarves.
For me, the dwarves as they stand are the third and worst iterations of the mortal race of the god SDK. The first dwarves were made of gold and were perfect, with intellect surpassing even the gods. Their forms were determined by the function they would serve and the other races feared them as monsters. This led to a war amongst the gods and their followers until SDK relented and agreed to destroy his children. The second iteration were made of silver, they were supreme sorcrerors and their advanced civilization made even the elves envy them. They integrated among the other races much better, but in their hearts they would never be content knowing they were the second best creations after the gold dwarves. LKR, the son of SDK, agreed and directed secretive cults in the ways of alchemy. However to reach gold, they must first become like that of lead. When their vile and evil practices were discovered the followers of SDK prosecuted righteous war on them, and lost. The silver dwarves tore each other apart and all that remained were the horrid race of lead that still terrorizes the world to this day. SDK, still needing tools to enact his divine plan then made the iron dwarves. Brutish, simple, complacent with their lot in life.

What deeds of bravery would an exiled Duergar have to accomplish to be allowed in a Stout Folk beer hall?

>>96547150
It was just now, that we had an event in VT2. To prove ourselves, we had to slay a troll chieftain, So off we went, in to the bowels of old Karak Dal, to slay a chief troll and prove ourselves worthy of the title of Drengbarazi.

>>96540425
The same place all other non-human sapients came from: humans created them and they eventually broke free.
which is why they're a female-only race, like all other non-human sapients

What's your favorite dwarf miniatures?

I really feel like digging a hole...

>>96549961
Mesbg dwarves.

>>96549392
based
https://youtu.be/VgKnSriC1vY

>>96532640
>wearing armor except for the most important part
>gay zoomer side fade

shame; this was almost a good pic

Dwarves are slightly more massive than humans, work harder or longer, and live at a higher altitude and in colder temperatures. They thus eat more, and not just grains like some dysgenic peasant slave. So I'm wondering how they would keep themselves fed without relying so heavily on trade.

I can see farming more nutritiously-dense food on the best soil of the mountain valleys, particularly any that run east-west which get more sunlight, and grow grains and oats and shit in the worse locations, and ranch hardier livestock (like goats and sheep) on the grassy land thats too steep to farm (and extract as much cheese/milk as they could from these). They would have fisheries anywhere they could, including in caves. They would grow mushrooms wherever they could. I don't know if honeybees do well in mountainous areas. They could collect berries and roots and stuff as well, but not at the same scale, likewise with bird meat and venison.

They could trade for fruits and "heavier" meats (like beef and pork), with humans, hobbits, or friendly giants. Mostly stuff thats been dried/smoked/salted, so it lasts the trip and they can stockpile it. Fresh stuff would be expensive delicacies, probably mostly for wealthier dwarves. If they can't make honey, they'd trade for it, since it lasts forever.

Oh, and of course alcohol. They wouldn't be dwarves if they didn't make and consume massive amounts of it; probably all their domestic production of grain/barley. Maybe they'd trade for bulk amounts of grain to make bread with and keep as an emergency food.

>>96549961
I like the Kings of War Dwarfs.
But I totally get it if they aren't other people's thing.

>>96539933
BLOOD OATH

Small shields or big shields for dwarves?

>>96549961
These little fuckers

>>96550476
Dwarfs would also herd and care for bat colonies.

Both as a source of food and as a source of guano.

The guano is used to fertilize the terraced mountain side they cultivate (because of course they'd terrace the shit out of their mountains) and as one of the ingredients for gunpowder.
Similarly i imagine they're good at managing and reusing their own waste to fertilize their fields while keeping it away from their inhabitated areas and clean water source.

I figure they'd also partake in transhumance, using well defined and cleared paths, their goat/sheep herds guarder by an handful of members from the shepherd's guild.
Minor runes could be used in aiding with food/milk conservation.

My (warhammer) dwarf hold is located in what would be the equivalent of a central-southern italian appenine area. So they grow hardy olive and fig trees as well as grapevine at lower heights, and focus on more woody growth of trees/grazing pastures at higher altitudes.

>>96549961
Oathmark for me.

ROCK AND STONE
>>96538633
INTO THE WAGON YOU GO

How many dorfs you need to screw in a light bulb?

>>96538633
Isn't Alf a half-dwarf?

>>96528692 (OP)
EGYPT

What are the best tabletop books for dwarves from Lore and Art perspectives? I really like the Warhammer FB army books for dwarves and "Moria – Through the Doors of Durin" for The One Ring.

>>96552887
#1 war fan

>>96538633
rn the elf thread is only being propped up by discussions about whether or not human pheromones make elves go into heat so I guess it's a quality vs. quantity comparison

>>96531854
what dis from
looks like some iseki shi but im a sucker for dorfs and dog lads

>>96550476
cats


but seriously the answer is they couldnt
its fantasy
mountains are less fertile
low land has more nutrients
and thats even putting aside that frming has historically been an "almost everyone doing it" affair
industry and fertilizers have changed the game for us but if dorfs need more food they would need a larger percentage of the population being farmers and need to be more spread out as a people

maybe include vertical farming as a thing they do and each hold has a "life chemist" and apprentices
casual observers will assume some frankenstein shit or whatever but in reality its the guys who know how to make fertilizer from minerals (working this out better fertilizers is also what initially led the dorfs to develop gunpowder)
feeding their people being a far more pressing issue than waging war in the elf fashion

>>96531656
for elfs its about their association with grand cycles of nature and fairy magic
its not an eolved trait, its because sleeping through the night would be to seperate dream from wake and detatch an aspect of their nature
elfs never slept and they never will.

>>96538633
The elf threads are bumped by a mix out of autism, bait, retarded coomerism, image dumps and slop.
You have no idea how good you have it.

>>96550476
>since it lasts forever
in this cold November rain

like the dwarven personality but I can never bring myself to play anything that short

>>96554761
She's too good for him.

>>96554761
oh hey is that by the same guy who did the elf alchemist?

>>96554771
I'm the exact opposite, whenever I try to come up with a character that has an actual reason to go out and adventure they always end up being Dwarves.

>>96528692 (OP)
What are your thoughts on taking Dwarfs, Hobbits, Halflings, Gnomes, etc.
And just combining them into one short race that has some aspects of all of them?

>>96555736
Bad.

>>96555736
its like doing that for asians, remembering that half of them are brown and the other half are nearly-white

>>96555736
If you want to make your own original short race, you should do that. If you want dwarfs gnomes and halflings, you should do that. Fusing them together sounds like a bad idea that you would have very little to gain from. Why would you want to do that?

>>96555736
Don't like it. I usually remove gnomes, but halflings, dwarfs, and goblins are all separate species.

>>96555736
literally how lalafell work
refer to them by either name depending on where they live

Anyone have that image of some skinny elf wearing a fake beard and saying stereotypical dwarf things, while an actual dwarf is seething.

>>96556841
THAT'S NOT FUCKING FUNNY.

>>96556841
kek

>>96556841
they will make love in the inn room later

>>96555736
I'm really OK with it. Mountain dwarves - standard dwarves (with beards and some muscles), city dwarves - gnomes (shaved and without physical work). And that's all what I need, don't like halflings much. "Symbaroum" has pretty gnomish dwarves (because in Nordic Sagas they were pretty gnomish, as I understand), but I would add The One Ring's aesthetics of Moria with bearded dwarves to Symbaroum's mountains and it would be perfect.

>>96555779
They are all human after all. So you can just take on short race with different cultural traits. The ability to shave shouldn't spawn new races. I think fewer races make your setting more plausible.

>>96560348
Country/village dwarves - hobbits. Not so physically developed as their viking kin, but that was also true IRL.

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>>96539933
OK well understand the context of that post:
It was like 30 hours later and on page 10.
Very glad to see it withstand.

>>96559450
Who's the artist?

where and what level of a hold would a throne room be at?

>>96566680
Dead center. Deep enough to be defendable, but close enough to the surface to still meet with dignitaries.

>>96566680
Fairly close to the surface. It's a place to awe dignitaries and such. Internal politics would take place deeper in clan hall assemblies.

>>96552591
>bat guano fertilizer
>>96553803
>terraced farms

Good ideas, fellas. I'm taking that shit.

>>96569560
Yeah I'd imagine something like picrelated.

With the terraces being developed over the course of centuries.
With rocks and stones removed from the soil (and used both to make the reinforcing dry stone walls and as building materials for roads and fortifications) and additional soils brought in from the digging INSIDE the hold.

Where I grew up they were mostly used for olive trees, vineyards and some stone fruits (apricots and cherries) but in other areas they were used for citruses, apple trees, aromatic trees or even just as a source of grass for smaller flocks of goats/sheep.

>>96553803
>guys who know how to make fertilizer from minerals

that's a very good point
it doesn't even require them to have any real understanding of chemistry: just knowing that certain types of rocks, when pulverized, make your crops grow better.

THE CLANS UNITE!

Do you think dwarfs be a decent BBEG?, it mostly a lich, a evil dumbass elf, warlock or maybe even a dragon, but never a dwarf like I never seen anyone use dwarfs other than angry bearded man with a axe, like a dwarf king enraged over the crimes of against his hold and people by local arrogant human kingdom that being fucking over his hold for years as they state the mountain belongs to them, so there for the hold and it riches also belong to them, so he starts a invasion against the humans with the full might of dwarf steel and gunpowder at his disposal, not even caring if the local villagers had nothing to do with the greed of their lords (they still manlings, they will die)

>>96570544
In KoW one of the biggest antagonists is a cruel dwarf empire that seeks constant expansion.
No, it's not the chaos dwarfs.

>>96566680
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>>96567838
that does make me wonder on the layout of a hold, the surface level would be a fortress, mostly defences and barracks, that would then lead down into the equivalent of a cargo port that manages goods coming and going from the hold , from there I'm never too sure, I would imagine the next thing would be somewhat of a transit level, that branches off and leads to various other sections

>>96550476
you're forgoing all the fantasy elements here
dwarves would probably hunt and eat cave trolls(and do in some settings) since that's necessary both to defend their holds, and an excellent source of meat due to the sheer size of such monsters

>>96574753
But how sustainable is this? At one point wouldn't they just hunt them to extinction?

>>96531441
A lot of dwarf structures can actually make some semblance of practical sense if you picture them as being built upon cooled lava tubes and magma chambers. Provides a lot of empty space already without having to excavate an entire city block from solid stone.
Honestly with how common it is for art of dwarf cities to involve big lava flumes and fountains seemingly only for aesthetic effect, I'm surprised I haven't seen something deep-dive more into dwarves as true volcanic engineers, managing the flow of lava to slowly bore new tunnels for them over their extremely long lives. Maybe they'd even seed new volcanos right under precious elven forests just to fuck with them.

>>96577260
I really don't want to think about how trolls breed.

>>96551311
Something about the blocky stature of them and cartoony proportions that I really like.
But sadly they're gonna get phased out I think. I gotta buy more just in case.

>>96582492
Where are you located? I'll mail you the few i have. I'd rather someone gets to paint them.