Thread 96546645

What about a game about an Israel occupied Palestine?

It's called "the Roman province of Palestine", where Romans brought their culture and architecture and technology and religion.
The common folk were romanized, and spoke Greek like all Eastern provinces of the Empire.
Roman rule lasted six hundred years, more than half a millennium.

You could make one yourself if you weren't a hylic who can only consoom.

>>96546650
>occupied
Palestinian once meant Jew lol

>>96546686
i'd rather be a hylic than an untalented psychic sharing my mediocre implementations

occupied is a big word, large percentage of the population welcomed Roman rule because it was drastically less oppressive than Jewish rule

>>96546699
The remaining peoples are semites, Israelis are Khazar Jew-convert tribesmen that only did it for political gain with zero actual ties to the region

>>96546719
That's what makes the idea interesting to me. The pharisees were granted some degree of autonomy and there were also the pseudo-hippie galileans in the dynamic

>>96546645 (OP)
That shit gets way too much attention, why not Roman occupied Illyria.

>>96546766
>pseudo-hippie
Fuck, I meant the opposite basically

>>96546671
It was called Judaea. Then Syria-Palestina.

>>96546699
No it didn't. The term comes from the Philistines, who are specifically a different ethnic group (probably from Mediterranean islands or possibly Cretans specifically) who settled in the region some time after the bronze age collapse. They were non-semitic.

>>96546735
The phoenecian, eblaite (syrian), ugaritic, aramaic, canaanite, arabian and hebrew were all semitic people. Whose language ultimately can be traced back to the akkadians. Ironically it's the hieroglyphs of egyptian that gave rise to the proto-alphabet of the semitic people in the sinai around 1900b.c.e., rather than the cuneiform of akkadian. Transmission of which lead to the latin alphabet.

So we're using a Semitic alphabet written in Egyptian characters to speak an Indo-European language. It demonstrates the extraordinary interconnectedness of Europe, Asia and Africa that gave rise to the modern world we're living in, here in North America.

What an amazingly interconnected, cross-continental world we live in!

>>96546671
No, the common folk were Hellenized, just like the Romans, which is why they spoke Greek, not Latin.

>>96546766
You're thinking of the Sadducees (although you actually mean the Sanhedrin), not the Pharisees. Although neither the Sadducees nor Pharisees existed for 90% of the Roman occupation.

The Sadducees were the official priests with (some degree of) independence. Which was destroyed with the second temple in 70A.D., after which there were no longer Pharisees nor Sadducees (nor a Sanhedrin), from which resulting diaspora would emerge Rabbinic Judaism. The Pharisees didn't have "autonomy" because they weren't the ones in political control. They were a buncha conservative businessmen. Or if they did, it was the same autonomy that any other businessmen had to conduct trade under Roman rule. The Sadducees were the official priests whose authority centered around the temple during the Herodian dynasty. Although the Pharisees, as influential business leaders, certainly represented an influential minority within the Sanhedrin.

>>96547433
Your historical knowledge is excellent. Do you also study the bible?

>>96546699
>lol
not fooling anyone

>>96547495
Not really. I read a lot of post-bronze-age history. Which inevitably overlaps a lot with canaanite religion. But I have never been interested in the religious aspects of it.

>>96547509
No matter, just curious. People don't appreciate how much their understanding of what actually happened back then has been subverted. Not always maliciously, it was just a long time ago.

>>96547499
>jew trying to play off his seethe with a "lol"
a tale as old as time indeed

>>96547530
>it was just a long time ago.
It very-much was--that's why I love the Latin alphabet so much. The alphabet from Egyptian characters developed for use by the people speaking the languages of Mesopotamia, spread to Greece throgh trade and into Rome and eventually our modern languages here in the USA. It's a direct line through all of human history (if you make a stopover for the importance of China and India in the British Empire that creates today's cultural hegemony).

History becomes very fucking cool if we can get over our identity politics long enough to understand that every single one of us is a direct product of five thousand years of the history of civilization, across the entire planet.

>>96547098
>No it didn’t
Israel’s former newspaper was called The Palestinian lol

>>96546699
It’s strange. As far as I learned in history class the term used to denote to all inhabitants of Palestine and with the advent of Zionism and the British Mandate even mostly to the Jews, such as Immanuel Kant, who referred to European Jews as "Palestinians living among us." Jews founded the Palestinian post, the Mandatory Palestine national football team represented the British Mandate of Palestine in international football competitions and was Jewish and in the 1940s the call to Free Palestine was a call for a sovereign Jewish state.

Nowadays there are no Jews that call themselves Palestinians, the term denotes to Arabs in the region and not Jews. The whole Palestinian nationality thing appears to be made up. A lie. It’s based on butthurt. The Jew Palestinians came out ahead so the other Palestinians are throwing a tantrum.

>>96547954
>Israel’s former newspaper was called The Palestinian lol
A. Nope
B. It was called the Palestine Post
C. It was an English-language newspaper published during the British Mandate, covering news in the region Called "The British Mandate For Palestine," hence the name
D. It was renamed "The Jerusalem Post" in 1950, less than 2 years after Israel came into existence

>>96547979
>Nowadays there are no Jews that call themselves Palestinians, the term denotes to Arabs in the region and not Jews.
There never were. Learn history. Palestine comes from Philistine, directly. The Philistines were people who migrated into the region after or during the bronze-age collapse, and were a non-semitic people. The hebrew people were canaanites, not philisitines. Those words exist specifically to distinguish the two.

>>96547979
weird how everyone who interacts with them "throws a tantrum." must be the antisemitism

>>96547979
>The Jew Palestinians came out ahead so the other Palestinians are throwing a tantrum.
That is a disgusting attempt to downplay a group of people fighting to stop themselves being forced off their homeland, herded into camps and genocided.

>>96547979
Cool but you still owe my country a $20 trillion refund, pedophile.

>>96546650
Not nearly fantastical enough for my liking tee bee haich

>>96546645 (OP)
Good guy romans, protecting the rest of the world containing the disgusting and evil israeli creatures.

>>96547433
it makes me seethe that (((the enemy))) tried to rebrand the phonecian language as paleo hebrew

>>96548120
They left voluntarily after expecting Jews to be exterminated. The ones who stayed in Israel became Israeli Muslims. Some Arabs even fought for Israel. The Nakba isn’t actually as simple as “they kicked us all out!”.

Tell me. Why would Israel want to bring back in a people who chose their side? Why would Jews want to bring back in a people who expected them all to die?

>>96547980
>the newspaper wasn’t Palestinian it was Palestinian!
Okay
The point is Palestinian once meant Jew

>>96548186
The phoenician and judean people both grew out of canaanite society. They are basically the same people, seperated by a couple-hundred miles at the very most. Both spoke semitic languages.

>>96548195
The Romans applied Palestinian as an exonym for the region specifically to denigrate and exclude Judaeans after the harsh feelings resulting from the area's being turned from Judaean province into Syria-Palestine. Basically, the Jews kept rebelling so often that the Romans said "fuck it, we aren't going to admit that these people exist, any more." And Western Europeans continued using the word Palestine because they wanted to denigrate the Turks and Arabs, who called the region Southern Syria.

Jews referred to themselves as "Palestinian Jews" for a period of less than 3 decades for very specific, political reasons that were the legacy of Roman imperialism and the West's hatred for admitting that Muslims were the center of civilization for the thousand years we call "the dark ages" that we all just pretend nothing important happened, during, because reading about anyone non-western-european makes us seethe. "Palestinian" was never, ever, a word that meant "Jewish."

Israel never should have been made. Why would they - the Jews - make their home around a people who have historically wanted to kill them in truly horrific ways?

It was a dumb decision. BUT, Israel is here to stay, now, so Palestinians better just learn to live with it. There is no other way. I doubt a two state solution is even possible at this point.

>>96548219
Doesn’t matter. History doesn’t matter. They’re there to stay. Nations around the world throughout history have always been built on shaky ground. Israel isn’t at all unique. It was just a dumb decision to make it the Jewish homeland (“gee, who would have thought making our home right next to our worst enemy was ever a good idea, ever?”), when they had far better alternatives.

This is why I have zero sympathy for Palestinians. History doesn’t matter. They need to just grow up. For the sake of their kids. By God.

I agree with people like Christopher Hitchens. A horse shit nationalistic excuse to start a nation, but a democratic nation of western values nonetheless.

>>96548219
> "Palestinian" was never, ever, a word that meant "Jewish."
Similar to how Palestinians don’t actually exist? They’re no different from Jordanians.

>>96548240
I'm not interested in that argument, anon. I'm discussing anon's misconception that "Palestinian" at one time meant "Jewish." It never did.

>>96548187
I don't expect jews to do anything but what's good for jews. I'm simply not going to lie to myself and say that them trying to wipe out a people isn't genocide.

>>96548250
>It never did.
Before 1948 it did. Cope more.

>>96548262
I just gave you the actual history to correct your misconceptions right here: >>96548240 and here: >>96547980

Learn. Then speak.

>>96548240
>a democratic nation of western values nonetheless.
christ, the chutzpah on you fucks.

>>96548256
It’s not a genocide. If you call it one, then you can argue that America committed genocide against the Germans. Palestine has seen a massive jump in population.

>>96548262
I just gave you the actual history to correct your misconceptions right here: >>96548219 and here: >>96547980

Learn. Then speak.

>>96548266
You said “never”, and then said “for a brief three decades”. Europeans called Jews Palestinians. You’re also ignoring that Palestinians are genetically the same as Jordanians. Palestinians aren’t real.

JCSS is such a catchy musical. I wasn't raised christian and I still loved it and years later find myself thinking about the songs. I saw the pic and the initial riff started playing in my head.

You are simple retarded if you think zionists will leave palestinians alone if they just surrender. They're going to kill every single one of them and cry "im a victim, antisemitism is so strong nowdays", just like they've been doing for 80 years.

And if they get away with genocide and land theft, what could they do next? What if they go to where you live?

>>96548279
No, try reading it again. They called themselves "Palestinian Jews." Not "Palestinians." The difference was incredibly important.

Learn. Then speak.

>>96548274
Palestinian meant Palestinian. This includes both Jews and Muslims in the region.

>>96548296
Correct. Not Jewish. It referred to the people living in the British Mandate for Palestine. It was never, ever, synonymous with "Jewish." Which is what the incorrect anon I was correcting had claimed.

>>96548288
>They called themselves "Palestinian Jews." Not "Palestinians."
So they were Palestinian? A Palestinian Jew and a Palestinian Muslim are both Palestinian. Except the Jews don’t consider themselves Palestinian anymore.

>>96548266
They stole the name Israel, they'll steal the name Palestine, too. Den of vipers.

>>96548306
Here was the claim: >>96546699
>Palestinian once meant Jew lol
That has never, ever, been true.

>>96548304
>It was never, ever, synonymous with "Jewish."
It was synonymous with Jews if you were living in the time of Emanuel Kant, 1724 - 1804. Jews were seen as Palestinian. There’s history to this association that you’re ignoring.

>>96548319
Nope. What you are saying is simply false.

>>96547575
I had read that the greek writing system was invented to write the odyssey and was in zig zag, the way they prepared the fields. But now I'm having trouble finding a source going in detail, is that just a myth people spread because it sounded right?

>>96548314
>That has never, ever, been true.
No, it was true. The Jews considered themselves Palestinian, and Jews in Europe were seen as Palestinians in Europe.

You seem to have a stick stuck up your ass, buddy.

>>96548090
with that logic we should kill all 4channes.

>>96548323
Nope. Palestinian at one point meant a Jew or a Muslim or anyone from Palestine. Jews were seen as Palestinian.

>>96548324
The Mycenean Greeks had their own writing systems, linear A & B. Linear A may or may not have been a full language. It disappeared around the Bronze Age collapse and was replaced with the phoenician script. We're not sure about it's origins, nor entirely why it vanished. My guess is that, whatever you read, was probably referring to Linear B. The assumption has always been that the Iliad is a story from around the Bronze Age Collapse and, for all we know, it may have once been written in Linear B.

The issue is that Palestinians pretend that the Israeli aren’t essentially Palestinian themselves. This is why “Palestinian once meant Jew” pisses them off, since it implies they’re not unique.

In case OP sincerely though this was a good concept for a ttrpg, I hope the thread showed you why no one wants to make it.

>>96548341
>anyone from Palestine
Correct.
>Palestinian at one point meant a Jew
Incorrect.

>Jews were once Palestinian, and Palestinian at one point as much meant a Jew as it meant a Muslim
>Okay but they still aren’t Palestinian tho
Retarded general

>>96548358
Palestinian once meant or denoted a Jew as much as it meant or denoted a Muslim, sorry. Palestinians aren’t real and they definitely aren’t unique.

>>96548380
Nope. That's simply false. See >>96548358 and >>96548219

1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state.
2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
3. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.
4. Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state.
5. Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.
6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state.
7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state.
8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a Palestinian state.
9. Before the Sassanid Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.
10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.
12. Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.
13. Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state.
14. Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.
15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.
16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.
17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
18. Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.
20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE.

>>96548324
Here's some Linear B, by the way. If the /pol/-anons can chill out long enough to let the thread not be about modern politics.

>>96548390
The term ‘Palestinian Jew’ says you’re wrong. That Europeans saw Jews in Europe as Palestinian historically says you’re wrong.

>>96548401
>20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE.
"Palestinian" is a Greek exonym for the Philistines. Who did, in fact, have city-states along the coast in the area exactly where present-day Gaza sits. Ironically, the Philistines were non-semetic people who were, themselves, probably Mycenean in origin.

“Palestinians living amongst us” — Emmanuel Kant on the Jewish problem in Europe

>>96548423
Doesn’t matter. Numerous different people have lived on that land throughout history and can all be considered Palestinian.

>>96548015
It has to be mentioned that the Romans renamed Judea ("Jew Land") to Syria-Palestina ("Assyrian & Philistine Land") after the big revolt in 70 AD as a middle finger to the remaining Jews, the Assyrians and Philistines being among their biggest historical enemies.

Palestinian isn’t really an ethnicity more than a geographical claim to territory.

>>96548426
He wasn't talking about Jews. He was talking about people from the region of Palestine.

>>96548436
I am not arguing about current politics--I don't care. I'm just saying that the people whose name gave rise to the term "palestine" did, in fact, have city-states in that region. History is neat.

>>96548407
wait, so it was syllabic like japanese?
mind blown, I though that was just from the chinese.
Thanks for the info.
You had to know this would turn into a shitshow.

>>96548442
Nice to run into someone who knows history. Yeah I'd mentioned that too, in >>96548219

>>96548456
I did. But it's still neat history.

>>96548451
>I am not arguing about current politics
Modern politics certainly care about people like you who point out the linguistic falsehoods that prop up our regime.

>>96548451
>He wasn't talking about Jews. He was talking about people from the region of Palestine.
Who happened to be Jews. Yes.

>>96548426
>Palestinians living amongst us” — Emmanuel Kant
Huh that's an actual thing.

>>96546645 (OP)
Do it by your own lazy slob,
take for example GURPS, several history books for a proper worldbuilding , and it would be enough to play any character from samaritan fisherman to roman legionary or even Jesus himself.

>>96548473
Kant wrote that line in 1798. At which point Muslims and Christians pretty evenly split being the majority in the region. Jews were a minority.

>>96548451
>I'm just saying that the people whose name gave rise to the term "palestine" did, in fact, have city-states in that region

The Philistines had their own confederation of city-states, known as the Pentapolis (Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Gath, and Ekron), starting around the 12th century BCE after their arrival in Canaan. The early Israelites, by contrast, were initially tribal groups, with a unified kingdom of Israel forming later under leaders like David, though the roots of their presence in the land go back to the Bronze Age. Therefore, the Philistine city-states, while established before the formation of a unified Israelite kingdom, do not actually have an earlier claim to the land than the Canaanites.

To be more clear. The Canaanites came first, with their people and culture established in the land for centuries before the Philistines, an Aegean (Greek) immigrant group, arrived around 1175 BCE during the Late Bronze Age Collapse. The Canaanites already occupied the land, and the arrival of the Philistines was a relatively later event, distinct from the pre-existing Canaanite culture.

The modern day Jew(Ashkenazim) also has a claim to being white/European after interbreeding with Germanic women for the last millennium.

>>96548511
Hey, you actually looked up history. I appreciate it. But I wasn't talking about who has "claim" to anything. It's land. Ain't none of us got any "right" to claim a damned thing. It's just land. It doesn't "belong" to any human being at all. It was here before us. It'll be here after we extinct ourselves.

>>96548524
>Ain't none of us got any "right" to claim a damned thing. It's just land. It doesn't "belong" to any human being at all.
the hands that typed this are brown or live in a gated community

>>96548539
Either we've all got the same rights or none of us have any that aren't handed down at the end of the barrel of a loaded gun. The notion that this identity politic has rights but that one doesn't? Incoherent and illogical, possible only through force. At which point it's a moot discussion of who has the "better" claim to "rights." Because it's just about who's holding the gun, anyhow.

>>96548625
>none of us have any that aren't handed down at the end of the barrel of a loaded gun.
Correct, which is why it's important that the nation and not its government hold the guns.

>>96548646
Not sure what we're talking about, any more. But if you're arguing that everyone should have equal rights, the whole planet over? I'm on board, anon. I don't think it's possible, but it's a nice dream.

>>96548524
Okay, but you’re basically just arguing about the origin of the P word.

>>96548674
People4 around the world already have equal rights. If they don't like their government they have the one god-given right that exists: to rebel. The vast majority of people simply prefer their government to the extreme discomfort of killing tyrants.

>>96546645 (OP)
>>96548281
Man I fucking love JCSS.

>>96548695
Correct: that is exactly and specifically what I was talking about.

>>96547433
>So we're using a Semitic alphabet written in Egyptian characters to speak an Indo-European language.
two small corrections: I think the Greeks repurposed some unused consonant signs to write also vowels (absent in the previous alphabets); and you mean write, not speak (but the written form also influenced the spoken language, and vice versa, so they are not really independent).

>>96548401
THIS LAND IS MINE plays in your head manually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tIdCsMufIY

>>96548767
Those are both right.

>>96548401
are you gonna take it in the chin when the sioux or whatever take over your house?

Fucking hasbara on /tg/ of all places. God, you people are sick in the head.

Nobodies made a game about Isreal because its a shithole situated between the actual regions that mattered.

>>96546645 (OP)

Literally Lex Arcana

>>96549120
It's a pretty neat place with some cool history, anon. Semitic peoples were the inheretors of Akkad. They ruled Egypt in the 15th dynasty. Invented the alphabet that 85% of the world's population's speaks a language using. Originated the religions that 50% or 60% of the world's inhabitants follow. The area is a microcosm of global history as far back as history goes, between the empires of Egyptians and the Mesopotamians. The Greeks and the Persians. The Romans and the Arabs. The Catholics and the Orthodox. The Crusades. The Western World and the Middle East.

Plus? Deserts are really pretty. Let go of your identity politics. History is neat.

>>96548754
So you admit that the Jew is allowed to call themselves Palestinian since they have lived in the region for a lot longer than the people who arrived after them and made a name for the place.

and to think when I posted mentioning I liked the musical for a second I wondered if I'd get a warning for off topic
anyway, really fun musical if you're into 70's rock
https://youtu.be/URWa0rbB1Kw

>>96549285
What? Anyone can call themselves anything they want, Beauregard. I'm not in charge of what you call yourself. But that Palestinian was ever synonymous with "Jewish?" No, that has nothing to do with reality. It wasn't.

>>96549207
>Let go of your identity politics
As soon as "Palestinians" stop trying to kill me because they consider me to be Amalek.

>>96549404
Judas killed it in this musical.

>>96549436
>But that Palestinian was ever synonymous with "Jewish?" No, that has nothing to do with reality. It wasn't.
Keep believing that I guess.

>>96549459
I mean you've clearly got access to google and I've already disproved every single claim you've tried to use to connect the two. No: that wasn't the name of Israel's newspaper. And in 1800, the area was evenly divided between Muslims and Christians in terms of majority population, with Jews being the minority to both of them.

You're just flatly wrong, anon.

>>96549458
He gets the opening and ending songs for a reason. But Gethsemane is huge too, Jesus gets some bangers. What's The Buzz is probably the catchiest one.
Mandatory why compilation
https://youtu.be/CameSDK-2m8

>>96549483
>Jews call themselves Palestinian prior to Zionism getting its way
>A mid-18th century wig wearing man called Jews in Europe ‘Palestinians’
Okay.

>>96547979
During the 1940s, the term "Free Palestine" was used by the Zionist movement to advocate for the establishment of a sovereign Jewish state in the mandated territory of Palestine, which they sought to create after the end of the British Mandate in 1948. While the region was called Palestine under British rule, the idea of a distinct Palestinian Arab national identity was less developed at the time, and the term "Palestinian" sometimes referred to Jews as well. The Zionist goal of a Jewish state was in direct opposition to the aspirations of the majority Arab population and eventually led to the UN's 1947 partition plan and the subsequent creation of the State of Israel.

“Palestinian” was later taken and used by Arab nationalists like Arafat. Interesting…

>>96549502
That's simply false, as I demonstrated with every "fact" I disproved.

>>96548219
>West's hatred for admitting that Muslims were the center of civilization for the thousand years we call "the dark ages" that we all just pretend nothing important happened, during, because reading about anyone non-western-european makes us seethe.
You mean the 1000 years that Byzantium and the Muslims were busy having nonstop wars with each other in buttfuck nowhere? While Europe quietly rebuilt for 100 years following the fall of the Western Roman Empire, and then proceeded to completely advance beyond everyone else for the next 900 years? Goddamn, college rots people's brains so badly it's not even funny anymore.

cool /pol/ thread lads

>>96549531
>During the 1940s, the term "Free Palestine"...
...sounds more like pic related.

you people really will let a bait thread hit bump limit wont you

>>96549585
>Byzantium
>Muslims were busy having nonstop wars
>in buttfuck nowhere
>the fall of the Western Roman Empire
>advance beyond everyone else
Jesus my man. A history book.

1. There was never a Western Roman Empire. When Odoacer beat Romulus Agustulus, Augustulus resigned as co-emperor, making Xeno the single, unified Emperor of the Roman Empire. Whose capital had been changed to Constantinople under Constantine, back when the city had been called New Rome.
2. The Arab Empire was majority Christian, and eclipsed the technological advancement of Western Europe dramatically. Bagdhad had gas-lit streets a thousand years ago, before the Mongols destroyed it.
3. Europe didn't "rebuild." It became a backwater for a thousand years.
4. It was the flood of "Oriental" ideas into Europe that caused the Renaissance, which is what saw Europe catch up.
5. The notion of a "Byzantine Empire" was invented in the 16th century by a German named Heironymous Wolf, whose sole goal in inventing that piece of propaganda was to claim "nuh uh, Ottomans didn't beat the Roman Empire, Germans did!" even though it was wholly false. Know what Odoacer did after conquering Rome? Got made a Roman Patrician and ruled Italy under Xeno, with the Senate's confirmation.

>>96549500
Camile Sesto's is so fucking good, he's fucking dying by the end
https://youtu.be/OTQqgnbQ1_4?si=2-Ngyo8ORWXZXCIs
>spaniards being stupidly passionate about christianity
checks out

>>96548271
>Zios on 4chan
website has fallen, pack it up

>>96549688
>3. Europe didn't "rebuild." It became a backwater for a thousand years.
Wow, they conquered the rest of the world despite giving them a thousand year head start? Those europeans sound like some kind of master race.

>>96549688
>1. There was never a Western Roman Empire.
Holy fucking hell dude you are on some unhinged schizo shit, fuck off and read a book some time.
>Bagdhad had gas-lit streets a thousand years ago, before the Mongols destroyed it.
Clearly not very advanced technologically if they lost to the Mongols, lel
>Europe didn't "rebuild." It became a backwater for a thousand years.
Imagine pretending to be a history scholar while also unironically buying into the myth of the "dark ages." Do you seriously believe Europe just magically turned into the dominant continent of the planet out of nowhere?
>It was the flood of "Oriental" ideas into Europe that caused the Renaissance, which is what saw Europe catch up.
Europe had already caught up 700 years before the Renaissance. The Muslims tried numerous times to conquer western Europe to only limited, and localized, success.
>The notion of a "Byzantine Empire" was invented
It's a convenient term for the eastern half of the Roman Empire that has been adopted by mainstream history because it's easier to say that than Eastern Roman Empire. You're not helping your case by playing semantics, you're just proving you've never set foot in a real history class in your life.

>>96549733
Your identity politics have blinded you to simple history. But yeah man: the Spanish took off like a gunshot after the Reconquista, which is how all those ideas that caused the Renaissance in Europe got there. They conquered the Caliphate in Spain and suddenly got thrust forward into the modern era.

>>96549756
>It's a convenient term for the eastern half of the Roman Empire that has been adopted by mainstream history
Your knowledge of "history" is about fifty years outa date, anon. "Byzantium" isn't "convenient." It's literal, intentional propaganda meant to aggrandize the Holy Roman Empire.

>>96549760
Wow, and I suppose Britain formed an empire that spanned the world because Spain kicked its muslim oppressors out, too? I feel like your academic rigor breaks down when you feel like reducing the successes of europeans.

>>96549706
Zionism is retarded as a foundation but Israel is there to stay. What else do you want me to say?

>>96549814
>Israel is there to stay.
As long as the US continues propping it up, which will happen as long as our congress is half dual-citizens and every member has an AIPAC handler. But it's cool, jews have never found themselves in what they felt to be an unassailable position and been wrong before.