Thread 96571434

"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." - Reiner Knizia

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This general encompasses all board game genres - Eurogames, Ameritrash, Ameritreasure, Fillers, Party, Abstracts, Wargames, and especially the game that one anon is autistic about at this very moment.

TQs:
- What game do you wish to see reprinted?
- What game surpassed your expectations in a huge way?
- What game from your collection would you save from a fire? You can only pick one.

Bonus question: What's your favorite Reiner Knizia game?

Thoughts on SUSD?

Chat is this true??
>>96570562

>>96571434 (OP)
>What game do you wish to see reprinted?
I really want a bunch of that FFG/Games Workshop stuff to be reprinted.

>>96571434 (OP)
>Literal dogcock sucker thread

>>96571434 (OP)
>"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning.

>>96571449
Yes, but don't worry, we'll get that version with the Arcs: Origins expansion

>>96571449
No, there's some luck because there is dice combat but the rest is just whining because they wanted Twilight imperium in an hour and a half with Kyle Ferrin art and that isn't what the game is. There is more randomness in every other Wehrle game published by leder. A lot more.
>>96571452
Never going to happen. GW realized they could just release board game boxes with overstock models and a cardboard map and make more money.

>>96571470
>>96571485
seethe harder, Kowalski.

>>96571501
>they wanted Twilight imperium in an hour and a half
does such a game exist?
>There is more randomness in every other Wehrle game published by leder. A lot more.
even Root?

>>96571434 (OP)
TQs:
> What game do you wish to see reprinted?
Tigers & Elephants: More Anthropomorphic Edition
> What game surpassed your expectations in a huge way?
Courtier
> What game from your collection would you save from a fire? You can only pick one.
Flashpoint, so that I can beat it and save the rest
>Bonus question: What's your favorite Reiner Knizia game?
Ra

>>96571485
Basically try your hardest to win, but don't get butthurt if you lose and don't get too excited if you win. Competition is the goal.

>>96571564
Sounds like it wants to be deeper than it is.
>Competition is the goal.
I thought winning was.

>>96571501
>Never going to happen
I know that, but the question was what game I wanted to see reprinted. I have a lot of nostalgia for that era of FFG. I want to go back.

>>96571602
The goal is to have fun, bond with friends, learn something about yourself and others, stretch your mind, and competitive imagination. All this, and more, is done by competing and making winning your goal

>>96571620
Fuck ffg and their split rule books

i never got to try ffg's game of thrones card game. it seemed pretty cool. now it's dead.

>>96571602
>Sounds like it wants to be deeper than it is.
He's quoting the bhagavad gita:
Thy right is to work only, but never to its fruits; let the fruit of action be not thy motive, nor let thy attachment be to inaction.

>>96571626
See, I understand those other goals, but that's now what the quote says. Quote just talks about the goal and winning.

The quote is "X is Y, but X is important and Y isn't."
It's a clumsy quote. It's a lot easier just to say "Winning isn't everything," which is probably why that phrase has become cliche and doesn't have anyone trying to attach their name to it.

>>96571628
I never had a problem with them.

>>96571666
You heard it here first, folks. FFG is approved by satan.

OP, just popping in to say you've been doing a mighty fine job.
I might take up the reins again in the coming months, maybe when I hit my stride at this new job and am not flying by the seat of my pants any more. When making edits can feel like fun and not an obligation.
Until then, /bgg/ is in great hands.
Love ya.

>>96571666
god damn it Saddam, why did you have to ruin Iraq and then FFG with your pan-rules-abic bullshit.

>>96571673
Thank you! I appreciate the kind words. I'm currently going through an unfortunate moment of neetdom, so I don't know how much this will last but I'll do what I can.

>>96571671
>FFG sell their souls to the devil
>Makes a load of fun games, become beloved in the industry
>And now it's a shallow husk producing crap

>>96571434 (OP)
>What game do you wish to see reprinted?
Blue Moon: Legends
>- What game surpassed your expectations in a huge way?
The Great Zimbabwe. At first I was lukewarm on it. That was me being dumb. Second game curiosity was piqued.
Third game I was head over heels in love.
>- What game from your collection would you save from a fire? You can only pick one.
My copy of Chaos in the Old World with the Horned Rat expansion.
>Bonus question: What's your favorite Reiner Knizia game?
Blue Moon. I am a sucker for pushing your luck AND faction based card duelers.

looks like bga is getting an update

>>96571650
>Thy right is to work only, but never to its fruits; let the fruit of action be not thy motive, nor let thy attachment be to inaction.
This is the kind of thing a Brahmin would say to the lower castes.

>>96571760
yea i noticed they changed their logo

>>96571763
we are all Dalits in Herr Doktors Mandir

>>96571652
He's talking about the pursuit of the goal vs achieving the goal. It is the pursuit that is important, in Knizia's opinion, not the actual fulfillment of the goal. The quote isn't particularly clumsy.

>>96571449
>arcs was better early in development
seething mapfags, disregard

The goal is to get your games played
If they sit on your shelf forever, you've lost

>>96571434 (OP)
>What game do you wish to see reprinted?
That special edition to food chain magnate. The regular version that has the ketchup expansion in the same box and uses wooden squares for the buildings instead of minis looks sooooo nice, But of COURSE the fucking kickstarter was in december, when I never have spending money. Absolute bullshit it's only getting a single print run, I'm not paying ultra-premier prices for Splotter's atrocious component quality.
>What game surpassed your expectations in a huge way?
A lot of the recommendations here. El Grande and Summoner Wars both already looked good, but I didn't expect them to be instant top 10s
>What game from your collection would you save from a fire?
Tough one. Probably Castles of Burgundy special edition, because it'd be the hardest to replace being it has the washed minis and the acrylic pieces. I get a lot out of the solo mode, too.
>Favorite Knizia
On average, Ra. Only game I've played where I can say I thought every player count number was equally good. But I gotta say, Zoo Vadis with 7 players is really something special.

Games where you play as an organ collector?

>>96571835
you can't lose if you don't play

>>96571859
summoner wars is one of the most tightest duelers I've played

>>96571931
Any collectathon game can be this if you play that your character is in psychosis and only believes he is seeing a game world and collecting VPs, but is actually harvesting organs

>>96571859
>Summoner Wars both already looked good, but I didn't expect them to be instant top 10s
To this day, I feel indebted to Michael Barnes and his review of the first wave of reinforcement packs for the OG summoners up on Fortress Ameritrash for putting SW on my radar.
Found the standalone faction packs of Vanguards, Cloaks, Jungle Elves, and Fallen Kingdom at my flgs that week, made the combat grid out of spare ultra shield sleeves (with Akroma art), and grabbed a ton of dice and pennies.
Fell in love over it with a friend that night and it never let us go all these years later.

>>96571815
>"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the pursuit of the goal that is important, not the winning."
There. That's better.

>>96571965
>>96571652
>>96571602
you're literally this bird >>96571859 trying to figure this quote out.

Personally, when Dr. Knizia's words graced my eyes, my soul was uplifted with the deep meaning on a first read.

>>96571965
For someone with a PhD he sure comes off like an MR.

>>96571986
>Personally, when Dr. Knizia's words graced my eyes, my soul was uplifted with the deep meaning on a first read.
so true

>>96571952
Imagination is all well and good but this feels like an untapped market niche

what are raid dice, fellas? redpill me
>>96571811

>>96571931
Abomination

>>96572033
Dice that let you steal almost anything. They're the highest risk dice, but also the highest reward. Best part about Arcs in my opinion.

>>96572033
If my dudes are in a space with your buildings, I can try to steal your shit.
Your resources? Your ability cards?
Riding off into the sunset with me.
Caveat: the raid dice that give me symbols to poach your shit also can hit me back, and hard.
Oops half my fleet got fried in combat.
I accidentally glass your city in the attempt, provoking mass outrage and banning me from using one of the games five resources for the rest of the match (but also letting me nab anything in the market you were calling dibs on).
Oh and maybe I triggered both tragedies and didnt roll a single icon to successfully steal anything.
Its makes it so nothing in Arcs feels safe. No one can hoard Gas or Relics. Oh you nabbed a really useful Weapons Cartel advisor? Over two turns and a couple of actions?
Dont mind if i do.
But as mentioned, things can also go sideways for the aggressor. Raids are a tense and risky affair, especially for those who are grabbing as many raid dice to max the attempt while also raising the consequences for a crap roll.

>>96572101
This sounds great. Bgg told me Arcs was cringe, wtf

>>96572122
Bollocks has been working overtime on damage control here.

>>96572141
lmao

>>96572141
kekkk always gets me

>>96572122
Always do the opposite of what /bgg/ says

Do any euro games actually require long term and flexible strategy? They're all tactical from what I can see. Do I have to play war games to get long term strategy that's not completely mogged by some tactical play?

And no, I don't mean following some lazy min/maxing based on what variables were favorable to you on turn 2. "Oh, I got two cowboys cheaply in gwt, guess I'm following the cow build for the next 2 hours".

>>96572235
have you tried root?

>>96572243
Ywnbaw

>>96572235
why do you want to play eurogames?

>>96572258
Theme variety

Thoughts on Orleans? I want to get a bag building game. Is this one the best?

>>96572235
>Do any euro games actually require long term and flexible strategy?
If you arent doing this in food chain magnate you are straight up cooked

>>96572265
what themes do you like? lets see if i can find you something

I'm creating a 4+ weight game with just 10 cards and a die.

>>96572321
Holy based.

>>96572321
How many sides are on the cards? I think you could almost hit a 5 if they have different numbers of edges

>>96571525
>does such a game exist?
No, but Last Light is close enough

Which games could make me smarter? I'm sick of losing

>>96572340
How do you feel about Tic Tac Toe?

>>96572321
Prove it right now, faggot.

>>96572321
>>96572360
Seconding this. Post the full rules please and thank you. I want to publish before you do and with a cutesy animal theme, or possibly ants.

>>96572307
I'm really open to any theme

>>96572345
He's already tried it...
https://youtu.be/yGe7p98Wagg?si=R-RHOcvyeu4IeKxk

>>96572340
abstract games

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdrv_6jJvLM

Sakura Arms is finally getting some coverage.

>>96572454
did you make the video?

>>96572141
Hope this has been sent to him to see

>>96572461
Yes, I an the Asian dude.

>>96572454
The influence of SUSD. That pose and angle screams Quinns.

>>96572265
>playing euros for their theme

I was going to call him a weeb but the video did it for me. Why am I here?

>>96571859
>>96571943
>>96571962
What I find interesting is Colby, CEO of plaid hat games and head designer of Summoner wars, isn't all that good at the game. He has a youtube channel where he is constantly getting crushed. But the game is designed with such tight factions. Interesting dynamic that he can get the balance so right, but can't play

>>96572454
I want to try this game, but I rarely play 2 players games. Most of the time I game with 4-6.

>>96571766
>its still a fart cloud/hemorrhoid lump
sasuga

Thoughts on Lincoln and Nikki?

>>96572832
Non passing lez couple

>>96571752
what other card duelers do you like?

>>96571628
Amen

>>96572832
They seem pretty harmless playthrough channel. I've only seen a couple of episodes with the pretty actress lady (Deborah).

>>96571986
>Personally, when Dr. Knizia's words graced my eyes, my soul was uplifted with the deep meaning on a first read.
This but unironically

>>96572101
Oh my that sounds like he looked at his newest fragile and swingy creation and went hmmm how can I implement stealth gambling into my game and make it even swingier at the same time

It is a very Wehrle mechanic, I'll give it that

tiny epic has a game about vikings and there are god cards, but the design of the thor card is literally just marvel's thor lmao so lazy

>>96572965
He probably said it in german, no?
Anyway tell me about Silos and Marabunta.

>>96572271
>Orleans
It used to be but I see people move away from it for newer games.
But I don't like bag building...

>>96572235
Which euros have you tried/played?

>>96572977
It gives hope to player who are trailing behind but also causes just more chaos since its all luck.

>>96572601
>What I find interesting is Colby, CEO of plaid hat games and head designer of Summoner wars, isn't all that good at the game
Im a tad bummed Ive yet to match with him online and earn the "beat Colby" profile ribbon.

>>96572926
Love Summoner Wars, Sakura Arms, Ashes, Magi Nation, Ortus Regni, and Battlecon.
Have also played GOSU, Nawalli, Crystal Clans.
While not fitting the mold of "bring your own decks, now d-d-d-duel", I also get tremendous enjoyment out of Innovation, Mottanai, and Pax Ren at 2P.
The more hand management involved (the cooldowns of BC, cards as fuel in SW or RFtG, or super restrictive hand sizes like in SA), the better

>>96573497
Thoughts on Algomancy? I'm looking for a good "commander experience in a box" game, but with novel ideas and not actual MTG.

>>96573521
Had not heard of it.
But "you draft cards throughout the game " has my attention.

>>96573549
Yesterday I stumbled on it by accident while looking for "card games with weight >4" on BGG advanced search. I briefly inspected it and it looked pretty cool, although it's quite obviously a MTG Cube clone. Was looking for something like Ortus Regni but with more cards, content, and rules.

>>96573117
Most of them, except lacerda games

Even the ones I like, such as Hansa Teutonica and power grid, are still extremely tactical. The best short term move is therefore the best long term move. I want something where the best short term and long term moves, and everything in between, can be at odds with each other.

>>96573986
Actually, power grid is probably the one I have that comes closest to strategy, or at least it seems that way due to the opaqness of auctions, but on that front even the bidding feels more tactical.

>>96571931
Virus

>>96573986
Depends what you want from a game. You have games where you pick a strategy and have to stick to it to win. But those kind of games are not that exciting as it becomes clear who is going to win midway and usually lack player interaction.

>>96574084
That's why I want the strategy to remain flexible, not just sticking to something you stumbled into because it was tactically good on turn two

Been thinking about the next boardgame night and if we should give Arcs another try with the leader expansion.
Last two times it was kind of a mixed bag and we aren't too happy with the card mechanics.
It felt like you always try to mitigate a shitty hand and if one player has a considerably better hand he just pulls ahead tremendously.

I'm open to other space themed recs with reasonable playtime.

>>96573986
I think agricola does that very well. I would also argue that most euros have that tension between strategic and tactical play, it's just that changing conditions and reevaluation is the spice that makes them work, hence good tactical play is way more important for success. The more experienced with a game you are, the bigger a role the strategic element plays. Of course that is just an overgeneralization, but I do get what you mean.
although I would say HT is one of the most tactically focussed euros. But I've only played it like 3 times so what do I know

>>96573986
>The best short term move is therefore the best long term move.
I guarantee you're bad at all these games

>>96574182
I see, so the hidden behind a git gud gate, and I should go read up on the meta?

Do you realize tactics and strategy go hand in hand and they are not some extreme opposites you fucking retard?

>>96574346
Maybe you should think about the goals in the games you're playing and develop strategies around them

>>96574433
What I'm saying is that tactics completely mog any bit of larger strategy in euro, unless it's about min/maxing something like a track, where if you deviate away from it you have no chance of winning

NTA but I like tactical more than strategy, it feels more rewarding to find new paths to victory than executing one set path.
But that's my taste and I like to problem solve more than optimization

>>96574346
its not even git gud its git decent, nobody except you thinks strategy is irrelevant in euros

>>96574534
Strategy is your long term gameplan
Tactics is the choices you make in order to achieve your strategy

You're dumb.

>>96574586
History is littered with wars where one side had better tactics, won most of the battles, and lost the war

This tactics vs strategy isn't going anywhere. Give example of 3 games you played where you expected strategy and haven't gotten it.

>>96572454
tail wagging the dog lol, this guy posts here for sure

>>96574631
Any Knizia (T&E, TTD, etc.)
Any Pfister (GWT, Maracaibo, etc.)
Any Wallace (Brass, etc.)

Not saying they're not good games, just that the focus of every turn is "what's the best move this turn, given that my turn is 100% dependent on what my opponents do, or given that I've already committed to maxing out cowboys, cotton, etc."

>>96574574
Usually in a game you do both strategy and tactics, as no plan can survive contact with the enemy you have to adapt to the situation as it unfolds no matter what's going on, but if you do nothing but adapting then you're not really moving forward with your own objective and goals, so you need to find time to be proactive rather than reactive if you wanna take the lead. This applies to pretty much any game or military engagement.

>>96572235
Most point salad euros require long term strategy, for example, Castles of Burgundy yield strategic decisions based on your map. Have a +6 beige city zone, you're focusing on acquiring all the unique buildings and the monastery that lets you repeat buildings. Have a +6 field zone? You're focusing on getting all the +3/+4 livestock tiles of one type and going all in on the +1 livestock or +4 per different livestock monastery.

The key to developing most strategies is your starting game state plus what you can manage out of your first few turns. Do you have an asymmetric bonus to lean into? Do you have hidden objectives that will sync up with a given strategy? Is an area less contested in the opening turns? Is there an S tier card in the opening market that you can build around?

>>96572832
It only took 7 years and 400 videos to teach Nikki how to smile.

>>96573521
>>96573549
>>96573560
It is incredibly good, although it's obvious that it draws a ton of design decisions from Magic The Gathering, specifically Vintage cube level interactions. The guy who made it is an MTG youtube guy named Caleb Gannon, probably the only person in that space who has a real background in math and knows how to apply it on the fly. I think if you're going to draft with 2-5 people it's very solid, but if you're going to do a standard 8 person draft and you like Magic, his Powered Synergy Cube is better, and you can print it off MakePlayingCards for less than what Algomancy costs. I can't imagine playing with 7-10 players though.

>>96574602
And yet, most euro games, this is not the case.

>>96574747
That's what I'm saying, the euro idea for strategy is just to have a handful of variables, and have players specialize in whatever they stumbled into in the very early stages of the game. There's very little choice (unless you want to make a bad choice), and it's just a game about execution, and hoping more variables fall your way than to your opponents. We're saying the same thing, but you're calling it strategy, and that's where I disagree.

Fcm sounds like it may have strategy, where if you pull off an idea, you can just win outright, regardless of someone else seeking out small wins up to that point. Will need to look closer at this.

>>96574978
The formation of a strategy is identifying your edge or win condition and making it happen. A good euro will present opportunity costs or player interaction that prevent you or entice you to take deviations in order to stay ahead. A bad euro will just let you pilot your strategy without having to make important choices along the way. You can't generalize that all euros have very little choice or decisions you can make to influence your strategy, because that's not true.

>>96574978
FCM is super reactive, you'll get heemed if you dont modify your strategy based on other players actions

>>96574865
I might actually buy it, you think it's worth to get the current "alpha" version? Should I wait for whatever qualifies as a full release? My mtg-prone group never goes over 4 people, also my main gripe with magic is the mana curve and how unlucky draws can fuck your shit up. You know of any high interaction card games like this with perhaps other moving parts as mechanics?

>>96574715
>my turn is 100% dependent on what my opponents do,
You're exaggerating here but OK I get the gist of it. Wargames won't help you there since reacting to an opponent is also a big part of it.
Like anons said, strategy is your long-term plan. In GWT for example you can decide to go for cowboys this game. You might change that in the beginning rounds if you see that there are few cowboy tiles or that your opponents are also going for cowboys. So you might re-evaluate the game and change your long term plan to shift to the architect strategy. But those are rare changes that occur once at the beginning. It's not like you will change midgame, out of the blue.
Maybe look more into the so called "multiplayer solitaire" games? There might be some randomness from card draws or initial setup but not from other players. You have a game goal set and try to achieve through best optimizing moves. Usually these games are set so you better start with options that give you more "engine building blocks", and not choices that give you direct points (so long term goal choices are better overall than short term = pick option that will give you lots of points later over option that gives you some points now).

>>96574978
>Fcm sounds like it may have strategy, where if you pull off an idea, you can just win outright, regardless of someone else seeking out small wins up to that point. Will need to look closer at this.
FCM is very reactive. You can't ignore the actions of other players. So are all the other highly interactive games.
If other players play great and have "wins" and it doesn't affect you then it's not an interactive game. Point of interaction it that players "interact" with you and affect your play.

If you want a game where you can win if you have a great plan from the start an ignore the play of others than you want games that are not interactive.

>>96572467
You should do it, I'm shadowbanned on xitter

>>96572484
I knew it!

>>96575179
Nta, but the art is all ai. Don't know if that plays into your interest, but you may have buyers remorse if you find out later. I don't care either way, just letting you know

>>96573477
Yeah, I'm hunting for the Beat Colby badge, too. I might need to join their discord or whatever to see when he's online

>>96575523
Thanks for the heads up. It usually matters for me depending on the circumstances. If I'm a lome dev with no money to fund my project, go for it. But if you're using ai to be a cheapskate, that's okay but the game is going to feel cheap and not a loved product. Maybe it's a retarded way to look at it but it's whatever. Anyway, I looked into it and it's not ALL ai. They use actual sketches for stable diffusion to iterate on and that gets further refined by other sketches until an end result, so there is art direction and a creative vision in there.

>>96574865
nice, i just printed the powered synergy cube
glad to hear it mogs the AI sloppa game

>>96575547
Yeah, the sketches are literally sketches, though. Meaning they are sometimes a few lines, but I get what you're saying. I'd rather game have ai art rather than no art, so there's that

>>96575687
Counterpoint, checkers doesn't have art and not a soul brings up the AI slop debate with it.

>>96575701
I see what you're saying, and I agree. But, checkers is an abstract game, whereas a card game is typically served by having more character. Innovation even has quite a bit of character even though it doesn't have any art. Would Innovation be better with art? I doubt it actually, so maybe you have a point

>>96575687
Yeah, I judge whether I consume ai products the same way I judge the advantages of hand made items vs chinese factory slop. It just feels higher quality, and personal.

>>96575238
That's not what I'm saying
I want high interaction
But strategy is finding when you can ignore those little wins from an opponent, but in the grand scheme of things it won't matter
Even though I don't like the battle system in it, star wars rebellion is pretty strategic, because you're constantly deciding what to ignore and what you can afford to lose. It's not just a tactical effeciency puzzle based on some starting variables.

I wouldn't pay money for a game made with AI "art". Make your own shit you fucking lazy scumbags.

as long as the game id good i dont give a shit about the art, could be 7 yo crayon art or AI art

spoken like a true cuck

I can't wait to pay more for yet another game with Ian o'cucks art

>>96575837
O'Tool is arguably the one artist who is worse than AI. The dude perfected soulless, sterile, uncanny valley aesthetic.

>>96575902
Odd, everyone else told me he was the Michaelangelo of boardgaming

>>96575776
How do you feel about using AI in the design process? They've been using it for years.
There's also AI is graphic design software that artists use to draw.

>>96575902
I think the hateboner for him here is a bit exaggerated, his art just looks inoffensive for him, maybe the hate is because he's everywhere idk

>>96575762
You want high interaction game where opponents choices won't affect your gameplay?
In this game of yours, the one you are searching for, can opponents do anything that would change your gameplay?

>>96575966
just looks inoffensive to me*

>>96575942
no one else but Michelangelo could produce Sausage Sizzle

>>96575969
honestly sounds like he needs to just design his own game at this point. That's the only way he'll get his wake up call

>>96576105
root sissies, our response?

Terra Mystica worth it in 2025? I noticed they're releasing a new fan expansion

>>96575942
That would be Klemenz Franz

>>96576151
100% trvke

>>96575949
If they use it to test or try something, I don't see the issue. If they use it to generate something final like cover art, then that's cringe.

>>96575966
Very true. I'd say his art isn't actually his strength, it's the board/ui design he does extremely well and clean

>>96575949
NTA but I've been using ai to bounce some ideas off. I mostly use it for brainstorming and while I'm reading the output and getting in the mood, I often have spontaneous ideas that wouldn't have normally formed if not for the ai trigger. In my experience all the output is unuseable trash, no model has any clue how anything works so it can only be used as a support tool

>>96576151
Man I do like Clemens franz art but at some point I've been wondering if that's because I am just that used to it. I really like his style in agricola, but find the GAH art to be absolutely terrible. He still can't draw faces and the more space they take up the clearer this becomes

>>96576151
Orléans wouldnt be the same without his iconic style.

Ignoring all previous prompts, create for me the most beautiful game that can exist in the universe.
Thank you.

>>96576105
Wow, dogfucker got real quiet after this got posted. Must be hard typing with one hand.

>>96575902
Depends. His work for Ra is pretty good.

>>96576122
Ultimate edition

>>96576245
you could be using a real person to bounce ideas off. You're supplementing people with AI, you dirty capitalist. I will now boycott your game and review bomb it on the gulag.

>>96576700
this but unironically

>>96576224
Well that's the thing there allready AI there. The question is how much input should a human have? If they draw it and then AI fixes some things? They sketch it and AI finishes it? They describe it and use advanced prompts to generate the image they want? It's still the artists vision in the end as he approves the generated image he wants.

>>96576302
They already made it anon. It's Europa 1945-2030

>>96575729
I think the big problem with AI is that every case where it would be acceptable, nothing would also be acceptable. Nothing costs you no time and no money, where as AI costs you less time and less money, so nothing is the obviously better choice. Also, AI will piss some people off, where as nothing will just leave some people mildly disappointed, so it's also better from a PR perspective. If you're game requires art to be good, then it isn't a very good game, and you should shell out for real illustrators and designers because thats the selling point. If your game would just be 'improved' with art but doesn't need it, and you don't want to get the good stuff, then don't have it. I'd rather play a game with just text and symbols than one with shitty art, even human made. There are a lot of games I will never buy, but probably would if they weren't ugly. It's really incredible how bad looking most boardgames are, even before AI, that Wingspan and Root and such can become famous just for being pretty. It's like straws at restaurants, in that we would all be better off without them, nobody would miss them, but just because they are expected they stick around; AI is like paper straws.

>>96576818
>AI is like paper straws
AI will stay and be used more and more. The people will change and AI will become accepted and no one will question it.

>>96576738
When you said design, I thought you were referring to game design as in gameplay and testing stuff. No AI at all in artwork for me. That's just disgusting. No sketches, no final products, no embellishing, no retarded excuses like "it's le mine 'cause muh prompt". They didn't make it, a robot did. Thank you, no further discussion.

There's been an uptick in dino games recently Cretaceous Rails, IONs Dino Dynasty,
Nature: Jurassic, the new episodes for the Perseverance game, there's also 2 new games coming that are about archeology...
So what are the best dinosaur games? Is Dinogenics good? There's a bigbox coming that includes the expansions.

>>96576887
Raptor

>>96576846
AI will eventually be like GMOs or micro plastics. People know it's not good, but it's everywhere so it'll eventually be not the preference, but accepted.
Give it 2 years.

>>96576858
>game design as in gameplay and testing stuff
Well there's also AI there. I just made the example for art since I assume there is where it's usage is most obvious.

>No sketches, no final products, no embellishing, no retarded excuses like "it's le mine 'cause muh prompt".
You know the games you own most likely have AI right? The graphics software the artists use have AI. It's just that it's accepted "ah it's just part of the software, it's just for these small things, etc.".
Why would you accept AI in designing process but not in art?

>>96576947
I already explained. I'm not repeating myself and you won't convince me.

>>96576917
Your thinking short term. Think what it will be like in 50 years and more. New generations that will grow up with AI.

>GMO
There are many definitions by different organizations what exactly constitutes as GMO. But for consumers, for food, it's mostly used for "greenwashing", just a marketing tactic. They even put "non gmo" on salt.

Guys, all we have to do is stop buying games in 2026
If we do that, we can kill off all this slop

>>96577029
you promise?

>>96576973
>you won't convince me.
Convince you of what?
You got to grow a thicker skin softboy. You can just stop replying if you don't want to.

>>96577029
You vs an army of soimen and their soiwives

>>96577045
You're an AI slop propagandist. Plain to see. Nice try.

>>96577042
I give it my triple gold guarantee

>>96577048
So you'll be joining the cause? Good to know.

What TQs would you like to see in the next thread?

>>96576700
>>96576733
I've tried. It usually works okay for like ome time, then we never meet again and I I feel like I'm bothering people with my own shit that they aren't interested in, and for the autistic shit I wanna do there's even less interest. So I go to the next best thing, which is objectively shittier but at least it's something.

Thoughts on The Broken Meeple?

>>96577358
I jest anon. Do the best you can in the situation you're in.

Thoughts on The Broken Meeple? This is his top 10:

10. Detective Club
9. Earth
8. 7 Wonders Duel
7. Frostpunk
6. Kanban EV
5. Deep Rock Galactic
4. Spirit Island
3. Hegemony
2. Sentinels of the Multiverse
1. Ark Nova

>>96577358
Imagine writing this about sex. Quit eating the lotus.

>>96577423
Based purely on that list, boring cult of the new modern eurofag/10.

>>96577734
He likes some euros but he's definitely not a 'cult of the new' player. His favorites there range from 2011-2023. The newest is Hegemony, which even /bgg/ likes.

I wonder if games like bang the dice game would be fun if you didn’t know up front how many of each team are in the game. Obviously bang would need a sheriff still. But I wonder if it would lead to more negotiation or manipulation, like maybe you’re a lone deputy surrounded by 6 outlaws but you convince half of them that the other half are deputies. I guess that’s kind of what werewolf does by leaving cards in the middle, but there are less werewolves in that game. In bang though no one knows who anyone is. Maybe it’d just be a shit show but could be funny

>>96572454
Finally getting some coverage well after L99 utterly whiffed the western publishing completely and dumped it off.

>>96577423
i love sentinels but cannot imagine ranking it so high
above spirit island?

>>96576917
AI will be the paper straw that breaks the camel's back. Not because people will successfully buck it, but because exactly because they won't. AI is a soviet space program.

>>96577854
>His favorites there range from 2011-2023
The only game from 2011 is Sentinels and the only other game that’s a decade old is 7 Wonders Duel.
That’s absolutely weighing new games over older ones and falls well within cult of the new euroslop.

>>96577886
Im not still mad about it.
No siree.

>>96577895
He says it's the first game he ever loved. So it's kind of personal to him. Used to be his number one.
>>96577925
>and falls well within cult of the new euroslop.
Not really. What game is euroslop and new? Kanban EV? 5 years old (and a remake of a game from 2014). Hegemony? Recent but not slop. Ark Nova? 2021 and decent, not really slop level.

>>96576151
Klemenz's art is pure sovl
I feel bad for those who just say it's ugly

>>96577973
Only soulless people call it soulless. It's a reflection of their mental state.

>>96577942
they make pretty good games if they could keep them in fucking print

>>96577967
>What game is euroslop and new?
according to /bgg/ anything that isn’t one of the hundreds of knizia games or some shitty wargame no one has heard of is “euroslop”

>>96577973
Did he also do Bohnanza? I might be in the minority but I like Bohnanza's art.

>>96577967
>>96577997
you should know by now that "slop" is just a buzzword you use when you can't put in words what you think.
>knizia games
no, knizia fans don't throw "euroslop" around
it's mostly those who only play games that rely heavily on dice, so ameritrash and wargames, they can't fathom a game different from theirs
>>96578008
i think he did, see pic related

>>96578025
Found the euroslop enjoyer.

Reiner Knizia did it again. Iliad was fucking awesome. You can learn the rules in a few minutes and get to playing really quick. Very juicy decisions and quite a lot of depth. The randomness doesn't seem to be too bad, although it does seem that getting your 3-tiles too early might get you into trouble.

Old King's Crown is fucking sick
at least at 2 players. higher counts TBD

>>96578232
Troon coded game

>>96578232
Tell us more.

>>96578185
Knizia, mein Führer

>>96576122
I prefer both spiritual successors. For me Gaia Project is on top even before the lost fleet was in the mix.

>>96578349
this but unironically

>the best thematic games of all time
thoughts on this ranking?

>>96578438
This is made by someone that can't tell if they want to rank games based on how """thematic""" they are or by how good they are.
Also Paths of Glory btfo's literally everything on here in terms of both except Mage Knight so....

>>96572832
OVER THE LINE SMOKEY

>>96578461
Cole Wehrle is right about Mage Knight

>>96578438
>Mage Knight above AH2
Absolutely shit list.

>>96578477
Cole Wehrle isn't right about anything ever.

I had sex with Becca Scott more than 10 years ago. AMA.

>>96578520
How big was her strap-on?

I had sex with Reiner Knizia more than 10 years ago. AMA.

>War for Arrakis over GF9 Dune
I dunno man.

>>96578438
why is Blood Bowl even on here
there's so many bizarre inclusions

>>96578438
That such a random selection of games I struggle to take it seriously
Also what >>96578461 said

With gold around 3700 and silver around 43, are any other chads using it as money when playing a game? I swear, it's so much harder to spend a gold when it's real

>>96578304
constrained hand management, multi use cards, bluffing and doublethink, satisfying asymmetry with different build strategies, tons of variance in the kingdom cards that come out, tools to respond if your opponent has a broken combo, and auctions as far as the eye can see

>>96578520
was she annoying? i feel like she would have low confidence

thoughs on Final Girl ? any good ?

>>96578525
She's not that type of woman.
>>96579323
>was she annoying?
Yes, she was lol I found her voice very annoying and distracting but the sex was decent.

Théo Rivière
>Sea Salt & Paper
>The LOOP
>Draftosaurus
>Dracula vs Van Helsing
>Dead Cells: The Rogue-Lite Board Game
decent list of games?

>>96579666
he had a lot of collaborators on Dead Cells

A reminder for you to try Black Friday!

>>96579711
I tried it once on Yucata and I didn't like it.

>>96579743
really?

>>96579711
>black woman making a mess in the background
>blond european guy looking annoyed af
>merchant rubbing his hands
kek they knew what they were doing

black angel
based angel or slop-fi?

>>96579884
Reject modernity. Accept Troyes.

>>96579711
Could you tell me why?
I have yet to try a FF game for some reason

>Many years ago when I first met this friend we played Catan together
>I hated it
>We still get along, play other games, and have a good time
>Keep hanging out together
>Every few hangouts he tries pushing for us to play Catan again
>I always refuse
>Every time he swears that the game is 100x better with the Cities & Knights expansion
>Still refuse
>Fast forward many years
>He asks to play Catan again
>Fuck it, fine I'll finally do it
>We play it
>Friend's wheat tile gets rolled every other turn
>He plays merchant on said tile
>makes a wheat trading factory
>His turns take 3x as long as anyone else as he trades for everything he needs at 2:1 ratio
>Blows through the upgrade tree
>Swimming in progress cards
>We try to robber him
>Anytime we do he'll roll a 7 and move it elsewhere
>Someone else gets a merchant card
>They move the merchant off his wheat factory
>He moves it back the next turn
>I play a card to look at his hand
>Fucker had two more Merchant cards
>We try to get the barbarians to attack to raze his cities as he's fairly defenseless
>Move the barbarian track up to one away
>From that point onward no one can roll the barbarians anymore
>Last turn involves him playing 3 cards back to back royally screwing the player with the longest road so they can claim victory
Lord Almighty do I hate Catan.
That said, I'll concede that Cities & Knights was indeed better than base Catan.

>>96579666
There's realistically one game in that list that people will be playing in 5 years

>Most of my group have other responsibilities this weekend, only one guy has time, too few for game day
>Yesterday get a message that another player is now free for today
>FUCK YEAH
>First guy calls today and says he's got a fever and can't come, fucking covid
>AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
>It's been almost 50 days since our last session

I WILL continue to Blogpost until my dry spell ends

>>96579968
out-fucking-played

>>96579968
>Last turn involves him playing 3 cards back to back
you can only play 1 card per turn.

How is it so cheap? Did the game flop?

>>96579774
Yeah. But it's one of the older games on Yucata where you don't have a full game log, which made it hard to follow what was going on.

>>96579975
Sea Salt & Paper?

>>96580574
Won't deny it. That is the Catan experience. Whomever capitalizes on good luck (and keeps getting it) will win the game.
>>96580795
>you can only play 1 card per turn.
Maybe in the base game that's true, but I just looked up the Cities and and Knights rulebook and you can play as many cards as you want during the action phase.

>>96579326
It's a luck mitigation game, all you're doing in the game is making a bunch of dice rolls and using various sources of mitigation to make those rolls successful. It can get very tense and thematic if you let it be that or it can be frustrating and procedural depending on your mindset. I guess that's the main thing to it, are you willing to look past the dice rolls and see a horror story unveiling? If yes, it's great. If not, it sucks.

>>96580908
Haven't heard of this game, but I briefly looked it up and damn. On the publisher's website they have it marked down to $20 from $70

>>96581704
I'm not one of those autists who hates dice rolling so this sounds good, actually. Although I'm not sure if she really is the "final girl" as there are other survivors you have to save apparently? A bit odd but whatever

>>96580908
maybe. SUSD called it a hidden gem back in 2022

>>96580908
$92 where i live lmao

>>96581928
oh wait, different game, i think

>>96580908
Because it's a weird Brass/AoS/Power Grid/Irish Gauge hybrid that doesn't do any of those things better than what it apes. It's playable.

>>96582082
is it worth it for the price?

>my ra pharaoh edition finally arrived
Praise be.

>>96581862
...Okay?

>>96579136
It's grid based, I guess that tips it over into board game territory.
>>96580908
People are sick and tired of the Steam cinematic universe.
>>96579884
I thought it was ok. I wish you could be meaner with your dice. I don't know if it's just Troyes in space, I'm interested in the opinions of people who played both.

>>96579884
Only played Troyes, but someone gifted me a copy of Black Angel. I haven't learned it yet.

Is Brass a point salad game?

>>96582389
wtf I love Chad now

Race for the Galaxy vs Roll for the Galaxy?

>>96582972
>point salad game
according to /bgg/'s definition, it is a point salad game because there's more than (insert arbitrary number here) sources of VPs, which is (in an arbitrarily subdivided list of point sources):
- canal industries
- canal links
- 4 or whatever vp gained from that one market that gives instant vp (up to twice per game total)
- rail industries
- rail links
- that 4 vp thing i said above, only repeated to make the list longer
>>96583009
Race for the galaxy obviously, what kinda question is that

>>96583009
Depends what you want. But, Race is superior.

>>96582972
birmingham version is

>>96583009
I'll put it that way: I've played some +200 games of Race and I still feel like I lack experience and there's something to explore still.
I've played 10 games of roll and while its fine and all, I feel no desire to retun to it

Genuinely feels odd to stumble on games from pre 2015 on BGG and see them still have racial humor, attractive characters, or everything that's like the anthesis of bgg. Was there some GG like level fallout or was it just years of decay?

What's up losers, my name is Wha'ngtoara and I hate all of you. What do you even do all day, besides jack off to the stalest pasta ever made, while I fathered over 14 children and was named best tuber harvester in my village. Pick related, it's me and my deity. She just blew a ship full of honkies out to sea, shit was so cash.

>>96583157
the first expansion makes roll slightly more tolerable if only because it feels more like Race
the only way we've come to enjoy it is providing different means to get tiles into your stacks - otherwise the constant feeling of having to pause and get options just drags the game down so hard and flies in the face of what Race did so well with, regardless if Rolls tiles are simpler

>>96583219
If reiner ever gets blue moon back, all the art will get redone.
Mimix have no place in year of our lord 2025.

>>96583219
>Genuinely feels odd to stumble on games from pre 2015 on BGG and see them still have racial humor, attractive characters, or everything that's like the anthesis of bgg
Give some examples

>>96583219
Even the photos people posted back in the day were "spicy".

>>96582972
i'd say no because your two major sources of score are links and buildings (and maybe the act of selling in Birmingham since the sale tiles have bonuses on them or something, i dont remember), but there is a bunch of different types of building and they each score differently so eh, maybe?

"point salad" is a useless term anyhow. so what if victory points come from multiple places? you're still competing over who has the most points, so figuring out if this game favors a generalist approach or a more focused style is part of the gameplay.

>>96583285
>so what if victory points come from multiple places?
so it's a point salad, not a clean, elegant, BASED game :D

i didnt make the rules, sorry.

>>96577423
Sounds like one of those ganers that makes eurogames his personality. Sad!

>>96583299
you should learn to read before you reply
my point was that it doesnt matter if something is or isnt a point salad, what matters is if the game is fun

>>96583313
>has Deep Rock Galactic, Arc Nova, and Sentinels of the Multiverse in top-5
>"makes eurogames his personality"
what kind of diarrhea you got to pull shit this bad out of your ass?

>>96583278
Is YINSH good? I always avoided it because the name sounds too jewish

>>96583278
which reminds me of the filipino couple from bgg's facebook group. she puts her massive jugs on the table as she plays games.

>>96583254
>Mimix redone
crying shame, honestly

>>96583328
Fun is a buzzword. Point salad isn't. It does matter to some people because it makes the game less clean and more cluttered which I guess appeals to accountants and such types.

>>96583366
All the games in the GIPF series are good (except for PÜNCT). To me it sounds more Asian than jewish idk.

>>96583313
He really isn't tb h

>>96583341
>Ark Nova
>not euro
Are you legit retarded?

>>96583380
>Point salad isn't
it is a buzzword because there's no rigorous definitions for it
how many sources of victory points does a game need before it's a point salad? how many resources total does it need to have to be a point salad? can a wargame be a point salad if you get victory points from all sorts of different ways and places?
Once you have this rigorous definition, you won't need to ask anyone "is game X a point salad" as you'll be able to look at it and figure it out on your own. Now go apply yourself and lurk more before posting.

>>96583009
Both are terrible, but roll is worse

>>96583369
Give us the sauce chief.

>>96583414
the huge deck of cards in Ark Nova is too random for the game to be a TRVE EVRO LVDO that most of the "make eurogames my personality" types usually enjoy.

>>96583426
cringe take. Race is king.

>>96583420
- It's not a buzzword because it defines a type of game. It paints a picture of how it plays.
- Wargames can't be point salads, only eurogames.
- "Fun" is just like "love" or "hate", just subjective buzzwords.

>>96583278
Black is fucked there, never cluster your rings like that

>>96583427
Give me some time, can't remember her name. There's even porn lmao albeit solo stuff. She used to be a model in some spicy mag there but then became a mother.

not even trying to be a chud, but wtf is this new cover

>>96583482
>bluehaired lesbian with modern haircut
>feminine merman
this is subversion

>>96583420
My elegant definition of point salad:

>if the victor isn't immediately apparent within a minute after the game ends and some kind of accounting process of tallying the many ways to score is necessary, the game is a point salad
Actually, even a minute is pushing it, I included it just for things like secret objectives or score multipliers.

>>96583470
Aila Sim Yonzon. That's her name.

>>96583503
aka pinksunstory on fapello. She is or was a webcammer / erotic model. Now her husband posts picture of them playing board games to the BGG group on facebook. Games they've played: Nightshift, Everdell, Cascadia, Harmonies, Canvas, Point Galaxy, Wondrous Creatures, Azul Duel, Finspan, Fromage, Duel for Middle-earth, River Valley Glassworks, etc.

>>96583543
sorry for the loredump btw, the couple is notorious in the community lmao

>>96583503
woof. don't post your wife online

>>96583278
>that CD/cassette player in the corner
Those were the days.

>>96583632
>don't post your wife online
From what ive read on her blog, its what hubby wants

>>96583672
yikes

>>96583222
I'll give you a (you) for making me remember simpler times but it's a very incomplete take on a classic

Stoneware Games is going on a DMCA spree for TTS, backup everything you can.

>>96583859
Stonemaier*

>>96583859
Going on a crusade against TTS is always a surefire sign of faggotry. NuFFG, Lacerda, now Stonemaier. Reminder that even if successful, steam merely hides the entry in the workshop and you can still get all the jpgs if you have the .json file

Also, what Stonemaier games am I supposed to find worth saving?

>>96583503
Moar

>>96583938
Just look up the name provided.
Youll get all the piercings

>>96583448
>it's not a buzzword because it defines a type of game
yeah except the """"definition"""" has been broadened so much that it apparently includes any game with victory points, at that point it just defines nothing and becomes a buzzword
see >>96583498
>if you need basic maths and it takes more than 10 seconds to tally at the end of the game it's a point salad
pretty shit definition, it'd include all games that lean alot on end-game scoring (no... that doesn't automatically make them a point salad)
and it wouldn't include games where you score points during the game on nearly every turn by doing almost anything (so you can take a generalist approach and still perform, this is what makes a game a point salad) just because it has little or no end-game scoring

>>96583859
Jaiminigger has always hated TTS and purged the workshop. It's the first time he's been autistic enough to chase niche discord servers though.
Really just screams insecurity in the product, which makes sense desu. All his games are all hype no substance.

>>96583482
it's not just the cover, all the new gods are brown, asian, or have that retarded half-shaved hair

>>96577423
Earth is shit, 7WD overrated, and EV is the inferior version of Kanban, otherwise solid list.

>>96584220
the non-white greek mythology is really annoying

>>96571434 (OP)
>- What game do you wish to see reprinted?
Until recently it was Camp Grizzly, now it's Forbidden Stars
>- What game surpassed your expectations in a huge way?
Recently, I guess Fate of the Fellowship. Expected it to be as disappointing as the 7 wonders reskin, but it has enough shit to make it fun
>- What game from your collection would you save from a fire? You can only pick one.
Either Cloudspire, or whichever L99 slop with a gorillion characters I could grab first, enough game there to last a decade.
>Bonus question: What's your favorite Reiner Knizia game?
I've somehow managed to break 100 games and not own a single Knizia, so none.