Thread 96574090

Yet Another Dwarf Edition

>Resources:
WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwh
WM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgeba
WFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6
Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H

>TOW:
https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXS
https://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/

>Warhammer Chronicles:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip
>Time of Legends:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip
>The End Times:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip

>Alternative Models:
https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL

>Previous Thread:
>>96553432

>Thread Question:
What would you like to see from the Dwarfen Mountain Holds in the future?

>TQ
New slayer and doomseeker sculpts
High King Balun Alriksson to commit to the current timeline
Official dorf terrain like Ancestor statues and Grimnir shrines, maybe a Bugman's brewery
An eventual refresh of the entire extant range at some point

Update on the Ostermark rebasing project.

I once dreamt that Warhammer Fantasy had a Tyranids-equivalent faction of Fish People.
They were the original inhabitants of the World from before the Old Ones and were now rising from the seas in endless hordes reclaim it.
Bit they weren't an overpowered, world ending threat, as their invasions always slowed down the more they reached inland.

>>96574090 (OP)
>TQ
The dwarfs need some fluff interacting with new factions. It’s always humans, elves, greenskins, and skaven with these guys, how about they help the border princes against Settra or send an expedition to recover something from Cathay, or go fight Kralmaw? Frankly they’re just boring to me, kinda trope-y.
Also slayer models but those are soft confirmed for a while now
>>96574232
>>96574235
>>96574240
these look great! what did you use to make the banner?
>>96574253
The Fimir are pretty close to this

>>96574273
I painted the banner red and yellow and added Greenstuffworld heraldry decals

>>96574090 (OP)
>Yet another short thread

>>96574293
It's a very clean banner, good job

>>96574090 (OP)
>What would you like to see from the Dwarfen Mountain Holds in the future?
Personalities.

This thread now belongs to the beastmen!

>>96574326
Thanks. Looking back I should have painted all the feathers and ribbons in burgundy and white. The red and blue touches look good on individual models but they make the whole a bit visually confusing.

Why the fuck does the thread smell like ammonia and feces?

>>96574090 (OP)
I'd really like to see a small hold, maybe a ranger one, that actually knocks off the last grudge from their clan book.

>>96574404
Don't know, ask your peasant retinue

>>96574090 (OP)
>TQ
I want new Imperial Dwarf models; new plastic minis that will finally replace the 1980's dorfs (picrel), with additional weapon options, as well as new units such as a Brewmaster character.
Also, bring back Prince Ulther's Company, even as an online-only MTO purchase.

>>96574471
>bring back Prince Ulther's Company, even as an online-only MTO purchase.
They did anon you just missed the MTO of it

>>96574090 (OP)
>TQ
New slayers first and foremost

Kits for the priests of grimnir that are allegedly getting rules in the newest journal

Dwarf terrain, nothing crazy, but some dwarfen waystones, statues, and maybe a mine would be cool

>>96574754
well... they should bring it back.
I mean, why even have dedicated rules for models that you can't purchase anymore?

>>96574864
I fucking hate people like you

How would you make a 1.5k or 2k forest goblin army?

>>96574324
Oh, how I want there to be a refresh of elves. But after seeing what happened to wyches in 40k I'm not sure I want to see new witch elves.

>>96574861
Do Dwarfs even build waystones or big Runestones outside of the Norse Dwarfs?

>>96574878
Hate all you want, but I know I'm right.
Why the fuck did GW went through all the effort of digging up 38 year-old molds, give them newer plastic shields & shield crests, make new banner artwork(& variations), and on to of that write rules for the newest edition?
Why go through all of this (plus announcing on a couple of community articles) only to be time-limited and never to return? eh? Is it to instill a deep FOMO feeling? not to mention the exorbitant prices GW was asking for them

I HAD ENOUGH WHY CAN'T YOU MIX WoC AND DAEMONS IN AN ARMY I JUST WANNA GOON WITH A SLAANESH LIST IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK????

>>96575169
probably because they don't expect to make any money from this product as a mainline thing while they did probably repay their effort many times over with the limited run, not to mention inducing fomo into further purchases

you should just check recasters, man

>>96574987
Yeah they do, I don’t believe they made as many as the elves did for the geomantic web, but they have their own. Picrel was an old terrain tutorial on how to make one.

I would also like to add a brewery. Would be cool to see a manor-esque kit, maybe not as big.

>>96575246
A Manor Esque kit for each faction would be great but is something that GW would never do

>>96575240
It's probably going to be an AoI down the line will probably come when we get plastic Demons of the Ruinstorm for HH

>>96575240
My gf (female(goth)) is starting a WoC army and I was also weirded out by this. If you aren't playing with fags you can easily just slap a Bloodthirster or whatever into your WoC list.

>>96575246
>>96575266
>>96574987
Realize I forgot picrel, but this was made using the tutorial I remamber seeing back in the day. I'm almost certain it was official.

>>96575277
Sigmar willing we will have it by 2035, great

>>96575282
My rabbi(alien(reptile)) forbids me from fucking with lists unfortunately

>>96574090 (OP)
>TQ
-A rejection of modernity, with a return to 20mm bases for dwarfs alone.
-A complete range overhaul with 90% of the currently available sculpts being replaced by the old metal models we used to have.
the models themselves can be made of plastic, I just want those old sculpts back.
-Dwarf grenadiers, with cartoony round bombs.
- Dwarfs with spears, alberds, pikes and other types of polearms
-A dwarf phalanx formation
-A dwarf testudo formation
-Dwarf handguns with bayonets
-Dwarf bayonets with handguns
-Hot Air balloon and zeppelins (they always looked more dwarfy to me than gyrocopters also FUCK cathay)
-Miners to actually come out from underground from anywhere on the battlefield
- more mining technology, we might not get a steam tank, but we should get some sort of drilling machine
- A real chance at shutting down enemy magic

>>96574090 (OP)
>Dwarfen Mountain Holds in the future?
Thunder Barge.

>>96575654
>A real chance at shutting down enemy magic
I might be imagining it, but didn't dwarves used to be able to buy one use runes a rune Smith could use to cancel a spell?

>>96571375
In TWW muh secondary your goal in the Jade Dragon campaign is literally to hijack the geomantic web in Lustria. If you add the stories about Lizard's typhoons and earthquakes on Cathay they are almost already at war.

>>96574090 (OP)
>What would you like to see from the Dwarfen Mountain Holds in the future?

Cannon getting d3+1 wounds

>>96575977
Yes and they still can. It's called rune of spellbreaking, 25pts a pop. I have no idea what that anon is talking about. Dwarfs excel at cancelling magic. Good luck getting spells on a unit embedded with a runelord with master rune of balance.,

>>96576159
Dwarfs were able at some point to basically stop pretty much any spell that wasn't cast with IF.
The best was when in 8th edition they were still using the old book.
They're still good, but they're nowhere as oppressive as they once were.

>>96574090 (OP)
>>Thread Question:
>What would you like to see from the Dwarfen Mountain Holds in the future?
their unreleased plastic stank
plastic slayers/doomseekers
redone warriors/miners
redone thunderers/rangers

>>96574232
Summon the Elector Counts!!!
Beautiful army anon

>>96576212
Which is good, outright blocking one phase of the game is not very fun.

>>96576533
They don't get magic so it's fair.

>>96576212
I remember playing tomb kings during this point. I ran 3 cheap priests and flooded the board with the one die casts forcing the dwarves to run out of dispel dice. Pretty sure I got a couple grudges for that.

Having a 2v2 bout of 6th edition, hope all goes well.

>>96576897
I think that's a fair play, I certainly wouldn't have held it against you' you have to work with the tools you're given, and as long as your army was painted I wouldn't care too much about the game itself.

Although sometimes I used to be a little shit, i knew my opponent would expect a huge anti-magic component and so he'd likely write a list with no wizards in an attempt of having me "waste" points on dispel runes and runesmiths.
But I would then gamble on it and show up with absolutely no magic protection and an extra bolt thrower or 4.

>>96576533
It makes sense from a mechanical and gameplay perspective.
All armies had, during the magic phase, a more or less effective sword, while dwarfs were given a shield and told to fuck off.

>>96576669
I really do think that at the time it could have been done differently, and to this day the lack of magic (and cavalry) really hurts dwarfs. Not being able to cast any hexes or augments is quite the handicap.

But I love my dwarfs specifically because of no magic; also I don't play TOW so maybe there's some form of magic (Anvil, maybe?) that I'm not aware of.

>>96577015
Good luck, have fun and take pictures!
We're starting an 8th edition campaign next week with the first game being a low point scenario of 2 armies having to build bridges and cross a river and 2 armies defending said passage.

For some reason I'm more excited for this game than I used to be back in the day.

>>96574213
>new slayer sculpts

you can still find avatars of war plastic slayers kit (called seekers i think). its pretty good. comes with mostly dual wielding, but also i think 5 great weapons per box of 20.

arms attach at the shoulders via flat joints, hands attack via flat joints, torso attaches to the waist via flat joint. heads are ball joints, mohawks are separate pieces. very customizable. also comes with full command, and is cheaper than most warhammer boxes by like half (last i checked it was about $40 for 20 figs)

Realistically speaking, what exactly can the Renegade rules do to fix Skaven? I can see the other legacy factions get fixed with some points cost adjustments and subtle statline buffs, but I don't see that being enough to fix Skaven.

>>96574953
elves have the best looking models in the fb range

Warhammer community article confirms that the Jade-Blooded do exist, and even mentions Hekate(Harakhte) being referenced in "certain novels". This begs the question,what sources mentions this vampire? (on a BL novel, or even in WRPG books)?

Do you feel bad for humans in Warhammer Fantasy?

Chaos x 4, Skaven, Greenskins, Vampire Counts, Tomb Kings, Dark Elves, Ogres, Beastmen, and more. Just having a single race of baddies is already more than enough to deal with. You could make a fantasy novel series with just one, even strong and competent heroes would be exhausted trying to keep up with the nonstop waves of murder and madness.

>>96577601
Humans make up chaos
humans make up vampire counts
humans make up beastmen in a half breed kinda way
ogres are pretty much humans
so no not really.

>>96577541
Jade-blooded I think, are only mentioned in a cut piece of a WFRP book that was later published on the writer's website.
>https://pdfcoffee.com/whfrp-2-lost-bloodlines-pdf-free.html
I can't think of any BL books that have them mentioned, though we have had Vampires that did live in the far east appear in some books, those were Von Carstein's pic as an example.
The only official source so far is TWW, which references them with items and a Special Building in Cathay.

>>96577601
Not at all. They have impeccable drip, they live in a society with zero niggers or hispanics (prior to nuGW's TOW slop)

>>96576249
>their unreleasd plastic tank
You know damn well this would cause unparalleled grognard seething

>>96577609
Estallia

>>96577605
Maybe elves are justified in hating humans. Weren't things more peaceful when they were kings of the world, before they lost most of the land they conquered?

Fantasy 6th ed
The old world
Warmaster
Age of shitmar

Which one is the superior game and why?

>>96577647
The one that isnt made by gw

>>96577658
So Warmaster then

>>96577601
Not really. A lot of the problems could be dealt with if humans took a moment from their own pointless squabbles.

Averland = best land

>>96577647
Tow and aos because you'll actually get to play game
That being said I wish warmaster was nore popular, might try and get it off the ground ar mt lgs

>>96577714
Jesus my post got all fucked up that's what I get for posting so late

Fought a 1k Command and Control game.

Korgoth and his blood legion faced off against an Ogre horde, both having ransacked half of a great village only to meet at a tower.

The Mournfang annihilated their left flank and the marauders torn apart by the Ogre bruiser and iron breakers. Despite a flank charge against his Chosen Knights, Korgoth held and slew the Bruiser in a challenge.

After being flank charged, Korgoth and his lone champ won the combat after a challemge, one breaking, the other fleeing, running down the Ogre Bulls.

The Mournfang were out of position and Korgoth claimed the tower. VICTORY FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

I still keep buggering up my deployment

>>96575291
I remember this article from GW website. If those are yours, great job anon.

>>96575169
>Is it to instill a deep FOMO feeling?
Unironically yes.
They want you to develop MTG style purchasing practices. Three year rotations and all.

>>96577601
So many enemies, yet the Empire always wins on all fronts.

>>96577930
Empire Chads, post models

>>96577285
Love these chunky fuckers.

They're a kitbasher's dream
Here's how I did mine (old picture), sporting all sorts of weapons.
I even managed to rank them up on 20mm

>>96577601
Honestly, Mullus is legitimately fucking massive so 75% of humans will barely if ever actually deal with that stuff

>>96577601
>Do you feel bad for humans in Warhammer Fantasy
No, because they have hot anime dragon waifus and elven thots.

are dark elves missing anything from their legacy options?

>>96579199
as far as "normal" units, no. none of their characters exist though and neither do their options from old editions like taking some demon/chaos units. very much playable. take some dark riders though or you will regret it.

>>96575654
>remove all of the dwarves current design choices
>replace it with random garbage

>>96576212
I havent played 8th but wasn't magic in that edition really powerful like a game could be decided by a single spell?

I made a meme.

>>96577686
it's our land man-filth

>>96574369
Looks like the furry invasion failed.

>>96577647
Age of Sigmar and The old world

>>96577686
>Averland
>not Hochland

>>96579798
Literally prey for Hochland hunters.

>>96578040
I'm on a break from painting my Hochland army until I'm done with my MESBG army is done (probably next week), but I'll share progress photos once I pick them up again.

>>96580035
>I'm done with my MESBG army is done
Reminder to have a good night's rest anons

>>96577611
I don't care, it would help the mobility problems of the army, provide a centerpiece, and visually accompany the design of the copters

grognards and fake grognards are free to dig back up the dwarf juggernaut

>>96579411
interesting that they have been against adding Jiangshi since the 2000s but they still wanted a Far East/China bloodline

>>96578468
Is it that much bigger than our world? I guess they don't really have much of a pacific to cover like 25% of the globe.

Got 4 TG done so far

>>96580464
It’s about twice the size of our earth and it’s fucking retarded

>>96580470
Really nice paintjob and bases.

>Be guy running Expeditionary Force
>Get pretty good (comparatively) because I play pretty much every week, only really getting beaten by people who have been around since fantasy
>Playing against Cathay player with 5 games under his belt
>Put 20% of my points in miners, take only 1 cannon, and no rangers in order to hopefully nerf myself enough so that it's a good game but not so much that I get destroyed by his artillery pieces
>Despite giving him advice where I could absolutely bodied him due to the gap in experience and dice rolls being on my side
>Nice guy, but could tell he was a bit miffed about not getting to do much
Exforce is my favorite playstyle, but do other factions have to deal with this? I keep trying to nerf my list enough not to blast new opponents off the board before they can do anything, but not so much that I get run down immediately. I am trying to build towards a Royal Clans list to fall back on for more casual games when I'm not facing a competitive dickhead like myself.
>Also, my buddy is trying out Skaven tomorrow, is taking out all artillery pieces, replacing my fireball thane with a melee one, running only one gyro, and putting the points I save into warriors and miners enough? I know Skaven isn't doing great

>>96580470
looking clean but not batch painting is a red flag

>>96580549
nta, a red flag for wat?

>>96580464
The pacific equivalent should still be massive, it's just cut off every map.
It's actually present on the map in the 3e rulebook (I think) but an insert map of the old world is covering it up.
Also the 6e WD map famously has an arrow pointing to fabled Lumbria, implying that in theory it's not the whole map.

>>96580517
>>96580549
Much appreciated anons. I'm in no hurry to finish these guys so I'm taking my time. I'll definitely be batch painting the shitty skellies when I get to them though.

>>96580470
Really like your minis, anon, good job. What's your recipe for the brown bandages?

Reading this and it's so absurd how fucking evil this guy is. The rulebooks don't do justice, and it's not even the MURDER KILL DEATH evil, it's malicious, cold and cruel, beyond any of the other guds followers. Yet he hides it all behind a foppish, loving friend.

I love him

>>96580950
Sigvald is pretty cool, this is true. He's my favourite out of all the chaos named characters. He even got a pretty cool model. I'd like to use him in a game some day, but he doesn't fit in with the rest of my army. Shame. I need to strip & repaint him, I really fucked up his face.

>>96580532
Sadly dwarfs are not fun to play against in general and you cannot nerf yourself hard enough to make current skaven have a fair fight.

>>96580975
I dunno, your Sigvald looks fine as far as I am concerned, looks psychotic in his face. Which is fitting. Plus, in general he isn't meant to "fit" into the normal aesthetic of chaos, so plop him in and make him enjoy the glories of war!

Small spoiler

>Sigvald given a quest to get a talon of Galrauch .
>finds the cave
>meets a crippled man who promises to help if Sigvald agrees to set him free
>helps Sigvald
>Sigvalf sets him free by stabbing him through the heart

All special characters exist only as historic curio as well as to brighten the day of naturaly grumpy dwarf players that can overshadow their super special magical items with runes.

>>96581020
nah, special characters exist for 2 reasons
>make models that deviate from the generic archetype of the armylist
>make models that set the boundaries for the faction's hierarchies
needless to say, oddball characters are both more interesting miniatures and more interesting rules, since they can help freshen an armylist by providing an alternative keystone to structure it, but upper level characters also have a healthy role in the ecosystem of a faction

>>96574090 (OP)
What makes the dwarves in Fantasy cool and fun, while the dwarves in 40k are total ass? I mean, even the old school Squats had more rizz than the Leagues of Votann do now.

>>96581077
One has beards. Thats about it. I dont particularly care for most dwarves in the warhammer settings but you cant just have beardless dwarves, especially for men.
Also votann are just space marines, just like eldar. so it kinda gross.

>>96581077
the dwarfs in fantasy are allowed to be their own thing, while the dwarfs in 40k are forced to be space marines (short)

>>96574090 (OP)
I'm interested in warhammer fantasy. Is fantasy subjected to GW greed much as 40k? Are Vampire Counts beginner friendly army?

>>96581192
>I'm interested in warhammer fantasy. Is fantasy subjected to GW greed much as 40k?
yes, less in some areas, more in others, but still yes
>Are Vampire Counts beginner friendly army?
not really, they're currently not as supported as the main core factions, so it's akin to playing an army with legend rules in 40k, but a lot of their range is still up and running via aos or has good alternative third party kits or models, so it's not hard to make an army

>>96581077
They didnt make them this

>>96581226
That’s a different brand of Reddit. The kind that pierces their nose while weighing 300 pounds.

>>96581233
Okay

any tips for trying to run a savage orc nomadic waaagh army, is it even viable or am I gimping myself too much?

>>96580975
>Why so serious?!

>>96581258
I don't see it as gimping, it'd just be cavalry focus. Savage Orcs are fun, they can just be baited easily.

>>96581077
>leagues of votann
>admech
>primaris
Jes Goodwin is like the grim reaper in that meme. Anyway, here's what we should have gotten.

>>96580532
>Playing against Cathay player with 5 games under his belt
>Put 20% of my points in miners, take only 1 cannon, and no rangers in order to hopefully nerf myself enough so that it's a good game but not so much that I get destroyed by his artillery pieces

Anon you're not supposed to tailor your list to be more effective against the sp3cific army you're facing. That's peak WAACfaggotry

>>96581233
My dude, nose piercings have been a warhammer dwarf thing since the 80s. Look at the OP image, two of them have nose rings.

>>96580941
I'm happy to hear that! I've been putting off my TKs for far too long, only have these guys and a scorpion finished. The bandages are really simple, dryad bark washed with black edge highlighted with gorthor brown and karak stone.

>>96581219
Thanks

>>96579620
I like it

>>96581192
the battalion boxes make fantasy a lot cheaper (even in comparison to their 40k equivalent the combat patrol boxes) but vamps as a legacy faction don't have one. i wouldn't start with them

>>96582104
They do.

>>96582177
an "official" one, you know what i mean

>>96582215
The official ones would be kinda dogshit. the only real kits that are worth buying are maybe the old zombies, the rest of everything else is a pain to hobby with and has made me want to quit more times than I wish to admit.

>>96577686
That's not McDonalds la- I mean Talabecland.

>>96582177
Wouldn't that more suit the TK due to the inclusion of Chariots?

>>96582274
nta, but I'm relatively sure the chariots are optional and you can build 8 extra knights out of the kit instead

>>96582274
Could probably turn them into corpse carts with some creativity

>using third party models
holy yikeroni

>>96582310
fuck off, perryfag

>>96582318
Think before you post.

>>96582310
I will use the WGA spiders and I will like them

>>96582323
fuck off perry... the falseflagger?

>>96582333
I'm running about using them with some Perry gothic knights for Demigriphs.

>>96582177
WGA skellies are a bit bobble headed. But I've seen people to skull swaps with the GW box of skulls.

>>96582386
Never understood what the hell was going on with Grave Guard proportions.

>>96581583
>The bandages are really simple, dryad bark washed with black edge highlighted with gorthor brown and karak stone.

Tried it myself, while not as good as yours it does look nice to have some variety for straps and bandages on the models.

Salute, Generals. Here's my Doomseeker.
Doomseeker, Master Rune of Alaric the Mad, Rune of Wrath, Rune of the Hateful - 140

>>96582787
I like these axes, good work anon !