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>Legacies:
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>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:
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『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
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>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
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>Thread Question:
What is the silliest thing you want to do with a consul's unique detachment?

>>96579357 (OP)
I do not like the new detachments system.

Do Phraetus' Warpfire Mantles trigger off of overload wounds? Because that would be funni

>>96579379
There's nothing terribly wrong with it and prime slots are a generally cool idea.

>>96579403
if anything they're underutilized

>>96579387
Yes. Their eternal warrior also reduces the damage of disintegrator overloads.

>>96579387
If overload checks are considered shooting attacks, then yes.

>>96579410
>Teleport in
>Start blasting
>misses also cause extra AP2 hits on a failed toughness check
Beautiful

Right Pauldron: What markings do you guys like/ dislike to see there?

>TQ
I'm waiting for a Heavy Assault detatchment to get dropped that forgets Angel's Tears can be fielded from it.

Dreadnoughts need to be WS5/BS5 or need a slight points drop. They were over nerfed just a tad. Use Old World WS chart. Bring back 1.0 scoring.

>Word Bearers finally get a terminator unit
>It fucks
I'm happy for you guys
And you, Alpha Legion

>>96579437
>Right Pauldron: What markings do you guys like/ dislike to see there?
Legion symbols except for MKVI in which case bonding studs.

>>96579439
git gud

>>96579433
>explode on a 5+ instead of a 6+

>>96579456
There's no downsides

>>96579444
Aren't the studs on the left Pauldron for Mk6?

>spend 1/3 my points on characters
surely nothing bad will come of this
I'll report back tomorrow after I get my shit kicked in

>>96579466
The machine god wouldn't have it any other way

>>96579466
Have fun!

>>96579439
>WS5/BS5
For double melee or double gun accordingly, yes. WS4 is a joke now. Knights that would just lawnmower marines only hit on a 4+? Are marines doing backflips over massive chainsaws?

We have any word on when we can expect to get nullifiers back?

>>96579439
Them not coming in talons besides the one allowed by the weird tech priest was their main nerf. They're a major opportunity cost now.

>>96579479
Bro TITANS are base BS3.

>>96579357 (OP)
Such a weak display by the Master of Signals. AL can run 50+ tarantulas.

>Vulkan deployed Nearly All™ of his saturnine terminator assets to Isstvan V either on the ground or on the ships but was still able to dump companies of the armor on the ground
>Horus had "several companies" of saturnine terminators
>Thousand Sons only had some of the test models but still fielded them enough to have developed special psychic practice for them
>Raven Guard Deliverers were the only ones who really used the stuff in that legion
So how much would a full legion really have access to? A thousand suits at best? A couple hundred at worst?

Think these could work for saturnine heads with the top ring popped off? I'm pondering doing a theme for my Phraetus where only the disciple is actually alive and fully in tune with the daemon is his armor, all the other Anointed are his dead brothers whose bodies are puppeted by the demons inside and bound to the will of the disciple as instruments of his Vengeance

>>96579518
Sigh. As I wait for the post timer to drop, I'm realizing another thing that could work with this is the janky poses you can put saturnine into could work well with the puppeteer theme

>>96579531
Are your terminators going to be painted brightly? Maybe just the standard helmets with the lenses painted black would be subtle enough. Those are just going to look like Ghost Rider.

Play Titanicus

>>96579539
I wouldn't say my color scheme is super bright, and my saturnine are going to have more black bits just because they have more armor surface area to differentiate. Maybe I go with either spare gal vorbak heads or normal saturnine heads surrounded by sculpted fire, or even replace the heads with sculpted fire instead?

>>96579572
If you're committed to the fire head maybe see if that printer has skulls with closed mouths? Open mouths are a little aggressive for dead people.

I'm already over painting the under-side of jet bikes, and I've only got I think 5 done. Still at least 4 more to go.

>>96579479
>>96579482
Make the walker detachment 3 and have contemptor be WS5 and deredeo BS5. Leviathan is WS5 or BS5 if it has two gun or two CC weapons. Saturnine dread is BS5. Same points

>>96579585
Damn, they probably don't, because I just realized even the ones in the picture are just the same helmet mirrored

>>96579357 (OP)

It's not exactly silly, but I'd like to do an entire World Eaters allied detachment that is just a Prime Champ and his champ detachment. Him and a midsized praetorian squad in a land raider, done. Not sure whether to make him Tartaros or Cataphractii, since his Chosen can't take boarding shields so I'd eat Heavy for no penalty, but the 4++ is nice.

Given the allies matrix is kill, are there rules concerning if transports, characters, etc can be interchangeable between allies or not? I'm just poring through the PDF currently for something of the sort.

>>96579508
Salamanders where the ones with te msot and deploying all their termies adds up to 100 units. So most legions would have less

>>96579874
Characters can join units from different factions but suffer a penalty of -1 LD and CL. Only units that share a faction trait with a transport can board it. No innate barrier to targeting allies with abilities, but many faction specific abilities have one built in to target only units of exclusively their trait

>>96579585
>>96579609
Ahh, I did find these, and if I find two sets avoids the open mouth issue

how many tactical marines is too many tactical marines?

>>96579419
>>96579433
overload checks are labeled Misfires, so I think we are out of luck on that front, boys.

>>96579405
True, much prefer something like Atramentar being a prime slot upgrade over getting another ws5 terminator command squad

>>96579907
I see, a fair compromise to challenge gaming the system a bit.

>7 pages about the War of Bitter Iron
I want this. Give it to me.

>this weeks pre-orders ship on my birthday
Neat

Fucking hate it here

Goonhammer confirms that the Dark Angels used Saturnine suits for their Naufragia squads, this shit could still happen.

>>96580324
We know for a fact that there won't be any Saturnine weapons kits, so naufragia are literally just going to be Saturnine terminators with a potentially useless special rule bolted on. No phosphex launchers

>>96580324
The pamphlet only has profiles for three units so it makes no difference. And two of those units should have been included in the libers anyway. The writers can allude to however many Saturnine variants, all it does is underscore how subpar this release is.

How do the bolters work?

>>96579547
i find astartes far more compelling than god machines and celebration of them is properly conducted at ~32mm scale where individual infantry models can really be lavished with love
>>96580365
non-euclidian feeding mechanism pls understand

>>96580331
>No phosphex launchers
I hold out hope for them telling us to convert it out of the Plasma Bombard

>>96580365
They don't.

>>96580365
It's a gun, guns aren't real, so they're not bound by real world physics and mechanics.

>>96580365
The same way Space Wolves use the sights on theirs

>>96580384
that is wildly inoffensive in comparison ong

>>96580375
Something like a plus-sized version of the intermeptors' plasma incinerator could be fun.

>>96580379
You jest but this is what the Br*tish actually believe

>>96580160
>Squad Pkharmet
Why did Vulkan have some 1ksons Loyalists with him?

>>96580404
He liked the way they burned.

>>96580408
too soon

>>96580414
Too soon or not, they are a flaming hot commodity.

Why is there no Phraetus Anointed Dreadnought? Did they not have any spare daemons big enough to fill it out good?

>>96580365
the receiver continues through the drum magazine, which has a reduced capacity as a result.

>>96580432
You'll need to wait for the Forges of Saturn II, coming out after 4.0 drops in late 2026, anon

>>96580437
>Alpha Legion is cut off
Did you plan this anon?

>>96580438
legio mortis mentioned ! (!!!)

Working on anything this weekend lads?

>>96580442
>Nufag secondaries cheering about GW adding Titans to the marines only battle it was in lore
This is why gatekeeping is needed

>>96580448
Basecoating a Dracosan. Finally a weekend to myself so I'll finish weathering my Rhino, and the Leman Russ I keep asking for weathering advice on

>>96580450
???

>>96580450
The horus heresy was invented to give a reason for titans to fight each other

>>96580440
>the 1st Legion boasted an almost unsurpassed cache of original Phoebian-issue Saturnine plate. As such, the Dark Angels were still capable of fielding Saturnine armour - however sparingly - by the eve of the Horus Heresy
NUMBER ONE
NUMBER ONE
NUMBER ONE

>>96580457
>>96580458
Read the Black Library Books nufag, FW has been shoving their shitty OC Solar Auxilia and Titans into conflicts they weren't canonically in since the start because they're retarded Guardfags.

Compare what they said was at Signus to what was canonically there retards, hint, it didn't include Custodes

>>96580461
uh-huh

>>96580463
HH existed before the black books sweetie

>>96580461
What happens if he slips and falls during that dance?

>>96580463
>Black Library Books
>canonical gospel as opposed to outright best-guess fiction about the events even in the context of the setting
lmao

>>96580469
Yes it did, as a good Black Library series before FW failed to adapt it correctly into the black books. Glad you agree.

>>96580443
>Word Bearers being dickheels
>Iron Hands kicking ass and being crazy assholes
Love to see it.

>>96580448
I'm the emperors most silent soldier.

>>96580486
>Valdor, I'm trying to sneak around, but I'm dummy thicc, and the clap of my asscheeks keeps alerting the World Eaters!

>>96580495
><<<WHAT IS THAT NOISE I DON'T SEE ANYTHING>>>

>>96580461
First and best.

>>96579357 (OP)
How's this look for a World Eaters list

>Crusade Detachment - 1 365 pts
>Saturnine Praetor w/ Teleportation Transponder - 260 pts
>Champion (Chain-Bonded) - 105 pts
>Herald (Chain-Bonded) - 100 pts
>3x Despoiler Squad (1 has Combat Veterans) w/ 10 additional Legionaries, 15 Chainaxes, 4 Power Axes, 4 Hand Flamers, Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox and Barb-hook Lash on the Sergeant - 300 pts

>Apothecarion Delegation - 630 pts
>5x Apothecary (1 has Logistical Benefit) - 30 pts
>Saturnine Terminator Command Squad w/ 4 additional Chosen, 6 Saturnine War Axes and Legion Standard - 480 pts

>Tactical Support Detachment - 480 pts
>2x Heavy Support Squad w/ 5 additional Legionaries, 10 Heavy Bolters, Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox and Barb-hook Lash on the Sergeant - 240 pts

>Armoured Support Detachment - 520 pts
>4x Predator w/ Magna-Melta Cannon, Heavy Flamer Sponsons, Havoc Launcher and Dozer Blade - 130 pts

Each squad sans the Terminators gets an Apothecary while the Champion + Herald go together in the Combat Veterans Despoilers and the Praetor + Terminators deep strike

>>96580528
See, the Despoilers, Champion and Herald are relatively fluffy, but with the random Heavy Support Squads and Melta Predator spam it's way too obvious you're going full WAAC.

Try making a list that fits the units your legion canonically uses instead next time.

>>96579508
Well the NL managed to get an entire company (so at least 100) outfitted by bribing a single Dark Mechanicum Forge World so...

>>96580537
>eaters at no point utilized predators or heavy support teams

>>96580537
>>96580544
Not just that, anon needs to go look up their 2.0 Rites of War and google "Teeth of Khorne".

Hint: That's an incredibly fluffy list anon is making if you know the actual WE fluff

>>96580544
Yes retard, they're the legion on screaming bersekers

>>96580554
1d4chan fan lore and 2.0 DEI tier writing need not apply secondary

>>96580557
>Yes retard, they're the legion on screaming bersekers
Anon, I...

>>96580557
oh boy typecasting them all as the degenerated wider shape some or even most had adopted in the direct following of angron and towards the siege of terra i'm sure that's completely accurate and there were no exceptions or differences in texture and shape anywhere
pls man

anyone got the leaks for the anointed conclave?

>>96580568
>Nooo, you can't say muh duuudes aren't just WAAC and unfluffy
Play another legion if you want to run a tank army

>>96580572
>anointed conclave
You mean the newest WB "shove a daemon in it" unit?

>>96580573
>pro-flanderization
Cringe, gay, and homosexually queer of you.

>>96580573
eater tanks are dank tho

>>96580435
But that'd be only 18 months after 3.0 dropped

>>96580577
>>96580579
Go back to your containment thread secondaries >>96580065

>>96580584
i'm content to continue beholding your screeching

>>96580528
Not the other retard, but lorewise how do WE apothecaries even work without murdering their patients in a spray of blood (either intentionally or by accident)?

>>96580589
apothecaries embedded into the later headless chicken despoiler hordes effectively just stopped doing their jobs eventually by virtue of equipment attrition or ceasing to care

>>96580584
Now I'm going to buy some beakies and paint them up as Iron Warriors, you fucking loser.

>>96580589
>>96580595
I thought it was the opposite, they were basically the tard wranglers for Inductii/Berzerkers and used alchemy bullshit to overcharge the nails even further when they wanted to?

>>96580600
that might well have played out as such at points (and is laid out to have in the force org rules concerning the sons of bodt in 3.0) but in the fully degenerated masses as took shape in the ramparts of the palace there was zero control exerted whatsoever eventually and pretty much every last one of the in the vicinity got swept up in the tsunami to break against and tear down the next hardpoint or whatnot
i do not get the sense there was any governance possible let alone desired in said final shape they tended towards adopting. they naturally coalesced and followed the wider whim of the war at hand without any regard eventually given to considerations besides one's next getting drenched in blood and gore

If you could create a single Decurion option for your legion, what would it be anons?

IF and SoH need not apply

>>96580576
THank you sir, do we know what the paired fist do, is it just + 1 damage like the others

>>96580620
+1 attack

>>96580614
xii dude that hops out of the hatch and does some melee before scurrying back in and giggling like a little girl

>>96580624
oh nice, was hoping it was +1 A, so 4 attacks each plus ap3 flamer for 5 points. yeah boyyyyy

>>96576979
>NTA, but everyone can score in 3.0, just units with line do it better, so centurion command squads actually are good objective holders and in a veteran themed army they and vet tactical squads will probably be your main squads to do so, since all of the other veteran squads have vanguard

>Looks at his full mounted White Scar army.
That statment is not totaly true, online friend.

>>96580630
>full mounted White Scar army
You're not this anon, are you? >>96562493

>>96580614
Decurions are sergeants in my homebrew but actual rules for the renissum caedere would be a cool sergeant upgrade.

>>96580663
Why exactly are you using the Roman term for cavalry officers for Sergeants anon?

>>96580668
Why Invictarus Suzerains aren't called Lictors?

>>96580540
The Ulan Huda issue was noted to be of inferior make and not true Saturnine armor.

So what the fuck is this disengage horseshit? Charged a heirach into a block of solar auxilia, they passed their ld check to not route and then just stepped away so I could be shot by volkite.

It seems super hard to lock down units in combat now.

>>96580676
I mean more there's a perfectly adequate name there (Decanus) if you want to go full Romeaboo

>>96580676
Lictors are nids. GW don't want brand confusion.

Would the bigger guys, or at least parts of them, work to represent Thousand Sons affected by the Flesh-change?

Afaik they're just Chaos Spawn, I've never seen a single piece of Horus Heresy artwork depicting what they actually look like.

Thoughts?

>>96580668
because the term literally means 'every 10' as in an officer per 10 men. Cavalry happened to be organised into minimum groups of around 10 in Marian legions so that is clearly the closest unit to a squad in the heresy. The bellicosa principium is also not a direct translation so it makes sense they'd use the closest equivalent they could find to their own organisation needs.

>>96580708
Anon...you realise Decanus also means that, right?

>>96580015
no

pretty goddamn passable as far as i'm concerned
last in a set of six, still needs his meltagun slapped somewhere though. rest are all plastic and chynaresin medleys similar to the apothecary section

>>96580466
did you make pic related?

>>96580730
yeah it's in gud fun though <3
i genuinely like all of the legions on some level or another

>>96580704
Sure, add a TS shoulder pad as an easter egg.

>>96580704
They'd need some shattered parts of power armour stuck to them I think

>>96580713
a Decanus isn't an officer

>>96580741
Neither is a Sergeant

>>96580735
But you didn't make the OG pic? That is just an edit?

>>96580750
correct

>>96580704
Mixing these with Possessed or Gal vorbak maybe

>>96580747
a sergeant in HH is clearly an officer

>>96580752
Ok meet me at The Rock tonight, password is: Pride is Our Armour.

>>96580769
Just as much as a historical Decanus/Centurion was anon

>>96580773
u got it bb

>>96580777
no, a sergeant in the heresy is a sergeant in the modern sense of a senior NCO, the closest thing to a Decanus is a corporal.

>>96580769
Wrong, not all "sergeants" are officers, only junior centurions with crests. The game just doesn't acknowledge the difference

Any more spoilers?

You don’t know the things I dream. No one does, no one ever cared enough to find out.

>>96579547
Maybe one day I’ll be able to :(

>>96580812
reign of love

yeah angron by all indications would have been a paragon of humanity and brotherhood comparable to the likes of sanguinius had fate not so utterly conspired against him tho
tragic shit

>>96580461
>almost unsurpassed
Surpassed by who?

>>96580800
marine sergeants are officers because they are essentially every rank between corporal and captain in terms of command, which by today's standards means they are officers.

>>96580160
>>96580443
>As the Phraetus had spent their lives, the time bought allowed a quintet of the Word Bearers Stormbirds to take flight, all pretence of ladening their holds any further abandoned in the face of sudden defeat. Of the others — four aircraft in total — two had been overrun by Iron Hands ground forces before they could lift off and two had succumbed to the predations of the Medusans’ Deredeos as their void shields had failed mid-flight, their wrecks joining the burning expanse below. Above, in orbit, the Exegesis — having sped into teleport range — made preparations for a race to the nearest Mandeville point, the surviving Stormbirds climbing hard to reach its launch bays.

>This escape it would achieve alongside a handful of provender barges, with all other Traitor void craft not yet fled falling victim to capture or annihilation as the Memorius and its fleet swept through Milhand’s orbit. The campaign which would follow — the Sundering of Milhand— would be brief and bloody, for few viable military hosts had been left upon the Forge World, already much diminished from years under the Word Bearers’ yoke. This slaughter would not be the end of Milhand’s suffering however, for it would be shackled to the purposes of the Xᵗʰ Legion just as it had the XVIIᵗʰ, though where death was a reprieve from enslavement under the Word Bearers’ cruelty, the dead of Milhand would be afforded no such luxury by their new, Medusan, overlords.

IH fucking shit up is always rad. And there were six more pages of this? More, please.

>>96580868
the HH is not 40k.
In 30k, there were more ranks and roles, and "sergeants" in the game range from basic bitch NCOs leading a squad with a stripe in their helmet, to full centurions without a command.
It's just streamlined for gameplay reasons, and because it's easier to see squad leaders with a helmet crest from a distance

>>96580901
sure, hence why 'Decurion' is more appropriate than 'Decanus' to indicate a Legion sergeant. Also the principia belicosa is not as I mentioned a direct copy of pricipate or republic legions and usually the titles chosen are the ones with the most 'importance', like 'Praetor' actually being far more significant than a Legatus which also fits with them being superhuman elites.

>>96580927
you're a dic-anus lmao go eat old underpant nerd

>>96580938
would pai mei get sorting hat'd into the scars?

>>96580927
Decuriones were cavalry officers and Decanus the equivalent of a infantry corporal-sergeant. So Decanus is more accurate for HH sergeants without helmet crests.
Praetors, Legatus, consuls, etc were all centurion variants with different seniority or roles.

>>96580844
>comparable to the likes of sanguinius
Sanguinius was an incredibly brutal warlord who annihilated entire civilizations for the crime of not immediately submitting to a repressive government that he had personally demanded that his own people should never be subjected to. Angron would still be one of the worst people in all of human history until that point if he were as good as Sanguinius, because even if Sanguinius was the best of the siblings, he still was just that bad. They're not good people.

>>96579508
>>96580540

1000 suits for the Sallies was my original estimate, but the big map in the book indicates that the Ignis Sector is actually the entire primarily-Salamanders section of the battlefield, not an arbitrary fraction. There's exactly 100 deployed here, "several more covenants" ordered to withdraw without deploying and a few more squads that didn't make it to the battle in the first place, and that seems to be basically a complete tally, so I'd be surprised if the total number of suits in service with the Salamanders broke 200 at time of battle.

The force org here has two praetors with 60 and 40 suits under their command respectively, so "a Saturnine company" probably isn't a hundred suits of Saturnine, in the same way that a tank company isn't a hundred tanks. Low hundreds in any legion at most, I'd say, especially if the Night Lords getting hold of a few dozen suits from Darkmech Unicron is a notable event.

has new recruit updated yet

>>96580979
>They're not good people.
you're right
they're the best people

>>96580997
Book's not even out yet. They're still barely catching up to the Legacy PDF

>>96579547

Working on it, anon, still trying to run down all the books while I decide what legion I want to go with. Legio Astorum Ruptura maniple seems immediately attractive since I very much like both Reavers and Warbringers, but I admit I'm also tempted by darkmech stalker support and the Astorum blue and yellow is not my favourite scheme.

>Nostramo was a night world
Bro you have electric lighting and you spend all your life indoors anyway how is this even a big deal to you?

>>96581106
it is likely that 95%+ of all electric lights on nostramo were smashed and broken and useless at the time of curze's coming

>>96580997
>Constantly have to help ppl out because the list building app confuses them even more
It's so garbage, no clue why people use that trash.

>Enjoy painting my Leman Russ
>Comes out beautifully
>Hate painting my Dracosan
>Comes out really sloppy

Weird how some models just don't get your mojo flowing for no reason

>>96580680
Why is a hierarch losing combat to mortals?

>>96581308
Anon meant the solar auxilia disengaged, which resulted in his hierarch being shot.

>>96580361
Volkite Serpenta spotted

>>96580361
the chainaxes are retardedly fuckhuge.
why GW keeps doubling down in these big ass cartoon weapons when they nailed the designs in HH1? The very same one they still use in color plates?

>>96581338
I am deeply retarded, I thought you only got to disengage if you won, I don't know how I misread what I posted lmao.

>>96581488
One of the HH designers has to have a big axe fetish. It started with the plastic model of that BL self-insert, forgot the name, fagnigger rann or something?

>>96581503
You misreading already puts you way above most people that post here. The majority can't read at all.

>>96581506
>that BL self-insert, forgot the name, fagnigger rann or something?
Rann is a FW character first mentioned in the IA Badab books. It's true that he's a gringe fanfictiony mix of IF and SW, though
His BL art was actually sensible unlike the retarded mini he got

>>96581530
That artwork actually looks quite alright. What the fuck happened with the design of that plastic disaster.

>>96580361
Disintigrator pistols. Wow what's the point?

>>96581584
I think they're cool.

>>96581584
A single disintegrator pistol because it's an option for the sergeant

>>96580557
>>96580537

>>96581556
They did the same to Zephon, who in the books is not a Moritat, doesn't have visible bionics, and has long blonde hair.

But once their minis became official, BL changed their art to pic related (even if the text descriptions didn't change)

>>96581530
I don't care who the government sends the plastic axes look better, the massive gap on those FW axes looked like ass and were even more impractical in model form.
The massive shield on a guy already dual wielding and the backpack icon do look dumb though

>>96580437
>cruor-court
never change

>>96579379
>>96579403
The only thing about it i really hate about it is how stupid it is to get transports.
There was litearlly zero reason for dedicated transports to be removed.

If they kept the current system, and just gave back the dedicated transport system then replaced the light transport slots on the prime detatchment with like 2 supports and 1 tank and 1 Fast attack, i would be fine.

I fucking hate having to play this stupid ass game of wack a mole to figure out where im getting my transports from, and god forbid if I have to change an HQ out.
>Just take an HQ for a spear head slot
I should not have to take a fucking officer to get access to my taxis.

>>96581665
the plastic axes are still retarded. Only the old resin ones in FW upgrade kits were decently scaled

>>96579357 (OP)
Ok anons, i tried phosphex rapiers last night....fuck yeah im sold, Im putting a siege breaker in my breacher unit and those phosphex FUCK.

>>96581667
They can't help themselves.
>Flay-Theta

>>96581692
How does he steer the speeder while his hands are preoccupied with aiming the gun right in front of his face?

>>96581716
That's the gunner, the driver is in the seat on the other side.

How much of a tourist are you?

>>96581729
Tbqh I only came here to lurk for a little while because 40kg is having another one of its hissy fits. Please be nice to me.

>>96581692
GOD theyre just so silly i love my guys
>thinking of grabbing some blood lights and meeting my dismembermates at the splatterhouse after work, you (death)game?

>>96581530
Fafnir's mini has similar problems to the AoD Praetors in that all the superfluous details make for way too much going on. Suppose Citadel really wants to differentiate plastic characters from marines, like I could imagine even Aeonid Thiel being completely overdone if those fucks actually bothered with a named dude for every legion.

Could probably remove the shield, then cut off the pteruges and shave some details at the front to reign it back in, at least. Don't think there's any fixing the oversized badge and axes than just removing them.

>>96581753
using these minis as parts for other characters is the way to go, IMO

>>96579357 (OP)
I feel like there's some fuckery with Reaction cost-reduction rules and Concealed Positions, but even if there isn't, Supremacy Cadres, Prosperine Convocation, Reaping Host, Berserker Cadres, Hammer of Olympia, Stormwing Musters and anything else with a Prime Troops slot can be used to select teleporting Tacticals/Despoilers that don't rely on Deep Strike and only cost a Reaction point. It's gold, Jerry.

>>96581789
Fafnir's mini apparently often gets used as a basis for custom Praetors of other legions, helps he's made of plastic and not resin, so a lot more accessible. I intend to convert Zephon into a Jump Champ, there's glaring holes in the plastic range for HQs. Like, the plastic Cataphractii Praetor is honestly shockingly bad.

At the end of the day we really need good neutral, legion and allegiance-agnostic designs like these two niggas, just in the current scale for consistency. I'd love something like a dedicated DIY Consul kit, but that ain't happening.

>>96581841
>DIY Consul kit
genuinely would be so genius for literally every one of their (non vehicle based) games its so painful

>>96581881
Obviously a kit would models in it would help, but even a dedicated upgrade kit with no full minis (like piggybacking off the tactical/assault marines and refreshed termies) can do the job. Would also greatly help for things like Apothecaries and Techmarines. But I just don't see it happening when GW wants you to buy FW resin characters, and it's shit like this that makes people look to third-party or proonting.

>>96581841
>>96581881
What the HH really needs are Legion upgrade sprues. If fucking Necromunda gangs can have them, so can marines.

>combine overwatch soldier stls
maybe i do have room for an overseer and squad of militia

Honestly I wish there was a weapon equivalent to the chainfist for power armored guys so I can have a teifecta of weapons to splatter on my vet assault squads. I could do twin lightning claws but that means I can't give everyone a shield

>>96579547
When Orks?

>>96581986
It's called a lascutter and Breachers carry it

>>96581959
>nemesis claw replacement
good god if only

>>96581503
In a perfect world it would be. As it is there's often very little reason to not disengage.

>>96581986
what this anon said >>96582000
Lascutters FUCK.

>>96581625
I think Zephon having visible augmetics is fine, it actually makes him look different to a standard dude. Correct about the hair though.

Was the White Scars Saturnine fluff posted or was there even any?

>>96582169
Was posted in this very thread >>96580440
Basically the "Teleports behind you" meme.

>>96581625
>Marine with bionics is represented on the table with Bionics.
It's a crazy world we live in.

>>96582213
Iirc he had his power armour over them and made it a point that he never wanted to see them again.

>>96582246
Too bad, he's a cripple that can barely fire a gun

>>96581959
Real shit right here. So much time, material, etc wasted on necro gangs that would never outsell a marine equivalent

>>96582213
Zephon doesn't have visible bionics, lorelet
He was a cripple unable to really fight during the Webway War. Butl Arkhan Land fixed him with DAoT bionics that look like normal human limbs under a new MKVI armour suit he got afterwards

>>96582264
He isn't? Did you read the sot novels or did you just pick up that part of fluff from some sloptubers?

>>96582246
I'll have to reread MoM, pick up the other books he showed up in. I did like his character and was stoked to see him get a model.
>>96581959
Fat chance with how the new kits are put together. I said fuck it and went 3D-pilled rather than pay for crap I can't convert, be a pain to build, let alone the costs of GW.

>>96582275
Zephon shouldn't even be a playable HQ. Unlike Fafnir Rann he didn't lead any Astartes unit during the war.
During the Webway war he was a crippled "canary" and Arkhan Land's bodyguard at best
When Sanguinius came to Terra, he became a Sanguinary Guard for a time.
Finally he got the MKVI suit and was an "Overseer" cheerleading Imperial Army conscripts during the Siege.

>>96582341
Zephon got an official model and rules before Sanguinary Guard did (^:

>>96582193
>>96580440
Thanks.

>>96582341
no one should be using primarchs or black library characters whatsoever in their forces but here we are

>>96582471
>don't use primarchs and marines in the primarchs and marines civll war game
you're fucking stupid

The only issue is that Primarchs should be deployed along so many other units, that they belong more to Epic scale than 28mm games, but that's a more of a basic problem with the game.

>>96579508
I do like that bit about TSons. Any other lore bits? I heard there was some level of involvement in the earlier designs to some degree.

>>96582509
it's not cool, tasteful, or remotely appropriate to include them
especially in a game and setting that very much invites you to come up with your own angle and story on things

>>96582536
primarchs are great and only late 2010s hipsters and contrarians say the opposite. Finally being able to play with them was one of the main selling points of HH1.

They don't even dominate the game or are mandatory like they sometimes are in 40k (which outs you as a butthurt refugee that should have stayed there instead of telling anons here what's kosher or not)

>>96582560
>They don't even dominate the game
Ask me how i know you never played 1.0 and or never fought Magnus, Logar, or Russ.

legions for this feel?

>>96582584
bearers without question

>>96582569
>doesn't remember AP2 pie plate spam or death stars being easily being tarpited just like today

>>96582584
Night lords

>>96582341
Like Rann, Zephon goes on to found a sucessor Chapter. If the assumption that we'll play into the Scouring and therefore the 2nd founding, It makes sense for these named characters to be introduced.

>>96582614
Oh i remember it, trust me i fucking hated fighting Aux dracon transport spam.
I also remember how fucking broken primarchs were with magnus just being able to draw a line across the board and basically go "Ok these are all dead."

The idea that primarchs "did not dominate" is hilariously laughable for anyone whos actually played against them in 1.0

>>96580437
>Flayed Hand again
One of these days the Star of Judgement will have its due.

>>96582341
>Didnt fight at all
>except for these examples which are 100% of all battles and he never fought off screen
>in fact he materialized in his first book out of nothingness as a full marine and reality warped a backlog of memories to everyone he encountered

If the jump pack harness cables are easy to trim off, the thick front armour plating makes them a very good look for Destroyers, don't you think?

>>96582713
those cables/strands of material around the head are their own bit at least in part from what i could tell
i'd wager they're power couplings of some kind specifically for interface with the jump rig
yes otherwise it's very gnarly

>>96580448
Applying transfers before the pin wash.

>>96582536

I don't generally run either Primarchs, Lords of War or Praetor-level named characters, but the deal I've made with a few opponents is that if you want to bring your Primarch to fight my bunch of literally whos, I get a trophy of some sort if I manage to take them down. Not a big one, just a sword, legion helmet, shoulderpad with relevant transfer to go on it or whatever. If i can keep that up I'm looking forward to putting the AL headhunter bomb to work this edition and assembling a little squad of snipers that accumulate various battle honours, since snipers are actually decent for the first time since I started playing a decade ago.

Not sure my Mechanicum will be racking up very many of those, they don't seem to have any equivalent answers, but we'll see, Domitars can be pretty mean if something peels away the big fellow's escort.

>>96582713

I was thinking breachers myself. I kind of like the high collars formed by the cables, but the backplate might look a little silly with a regular backpack. We'll see what the proper Breachers look like, I suppose.

>>96582773
One thing I was wondering is why Headhunters vs Seekers?

Is volume of fire and smokescreen outright better than the range and shot selector on Krakens?

>>96582808
>We'll see what the proper Breachers look like, I suppose.
Upgrade kit, we already know. Just arms, shields, heads, weapons.

>>96582713
probably the easiest straight conversion of a legion specific unit we've seen.

Speaking of Headhunters, is a combi-melta worth the 10 points for cheeky AP2 Precision?

>>96582977
Nta but banestrike headhunters have a very specific build where they put out ridiculous damage. The idea is you make them Malefic and buff them to BS6 with a magos, making them Crit (automatically wound/breach and damage 2) on 6s.
With 10 guys shooting 40 shots ( and with each crit shot capable of killing a regular Termie via D2) that's a lot of damage.

>>96583049
My old melta death squad is still eating HQs alive so I'd say so. 4 combis and one multi is basically guaranteed to kill one or two characters, and almost everyone in my meta has a big deathstar with a fighty character (praetor/champion) and a utility character (herald/librarian) so they always make their points back.
Shame they're completely terrible against vehicles.

>>96582713
Those look a lot more like power cables than a harness. Maybe they could work with a normal backpack as well

>>96583042
They do look very fitting

>>96582977

Unbuffed they're very comparable, I think Seekers are slightly better in a vaccum almost entirely because of their far superior range (30" vs 18"). Seekers are 30pts less for a full squad of 10, can take a nuncio-vox and have better range and flexibility, since they can swap their guns to Panic or Suppression mode to mess with squads. That's especially brutal against troops, because 20 bolter shots probably shoots out the sarge/vox even without Breaching.

Headhunters do slightly more damage against Marine units in most circumstances and a lot more damage against anything squisher than a Marine, plus they all come with free Hatred power daggers in case you really need to poke off a wound and can all take meltabombs, although that gets fairly expensive.

The specific build I'm going with here, which another anon dubbed "the headhunter bomb", is what >>96583133 mentioned, and that absolutely skyrockets the amount of damage they put out, especially when sniping majority T5+ squads where Seekers don't get to use their full Breaching value anyway. They'll die for it, even with the Magos tanking cybertheurgic feedback on his 2+ save it will eventually gut the squad and they're not that durable, but they're a huge exclusion zone until dealt with, they'll kill five Cataphractii in shooting and can do the same with Overwatch and Return Fire, so you can't lightly provoke them. They'll one-round precision snipe anything without Eternal Warrior and most things with it, or put 4-5 wounds into Primarchs on an average turn of fire, at which point the Primarch can't retaliate while the headhunters can still React because they'll put him down with reaction fire.

They might not be good, especially with short range and no easy transport, but it sounds sufficiently fun that I want to try it.

>>96583049

It's a shame to lose the free banestrike combi, they're usually quite expensive, but I think it's good in 5-mans. Kill one medium character/vehicle and then knife things.

>>96582735
>a glass of water

well la-ti-dah

>>96583707
How phreaky should phraetus be? Right now I just have a bloodletter head on my anointed's torso but I'm trying to find more danger bling

>>96582735
looking good anon, the transfers over the chipping doesnt make a ton of visual sense though

>>96579547
Extremely based post

>>96583734
Like 10% phreaky. Anything over is too chaos and likely buried underneath calth

>>96583707
>>96583779
Got like a group shot of them? They seem hella chill

Had a 3k doubles day yesterday. Ibthink we had every faction in use.

>>96580557
You don't know jack fucking shit. Get back in your hole.

>>96583867
slow this gif down, turn it to a webm and play little dark age in the background.

>>96583779
True, but my Phraetus are Alpha Legion

>>96583848
Thanks and sure

>>96583779
The freakiest stuff wasnr even at calth, calth was the rejects and retards of the word bearers, all the good stuff was on istvaan like the original gal vorbak.

>>96583133
>>96583192
Thank you for explaining that for me. I wasn't sure if it was just headhunters with meltabombs or something and I was missing something, or it was something else.

>>96583936
Then they should be normal Saturnine with servo skulls with sunglasses and disintegrators gangster style.

>>96583953
>rejects and retards
They partied so hard that Samus showed up. If anything they were the most word of all bearers

Why is the traitor mechanicum producing fresh new saturnine suits with big eagles prominently welded on to represent the unshakable bond between the loyalist factions the traitors are rebelling against? Is it an in-joke, like hazard stripes are?

>>96584101
many of them do it mockingly, yes

>other half of my AoD cata sprues are MIA
WHERE ARE THEY

>>96584101
Same reason that storm eagles and fire raptors come with a aquila plastered on the front: as a traitor you're suppose to shave those icons off. It adds to the immersion.

More new things painted

do disintergrators have barrels that need to be drilled

>>96583042
what kind of gun is that? where can I find more of that

>>96584190
When in doubt: drill.

>>96584184
>>96584190
Oops old pic. I went back and painted black dots on all the barrels

>>96584194
That gun is a frankenstein monster thrown together in photoshop

>>96580892
>where death was a reprieve from enslavement under the Word Bearers’ cruelty, the dead of Milhand would be afforded no such luxury by their new, Medusan, overlords.
I DON'T CARE IF YOUR BLADDER IS EXPLODING, THE SHIFT IS OVER WHEN I SAY IT'S OVER

made the mistake of lurking the troonhammer discord its as insuferable as you expect

>>96584319
explain, never joined troon discord servers

>>96584319
Walrus cord? if so yeah its hilarious how bad that one can be, and how much they defend GW

I just find it hard to accept that almost every planet, except for a handful, is not suitable for human habitation. Most of them aren't even the proper size; gravity can either crush you or microgravity will also fuck you up in the long run.

Making OC planetary systems is just so weird because you have to add at least half a dozen useless planets. And that's accurate to reality, look at our own system!
Mercury is abandoned but useful, but how do people live on Jupiter's moons? They are small and Jupiter is radioactive. I could picture a forge fane on Io, Europa at least has water (though 0 energy) and Ganymede has an okay size, but the rest don't look so good.
Even the Moon doesn't look good. How do people live there? Ain't no volatiles or biosphere

>>96584390
Dark age of technology terraforming anon, there's no such thing as an inhabitable planet, just inconvenient ones

>>96584380
I believe they hope for official recognition eventually, which is why they want them all correct and well behaved. They do not want to be affiliated with all those rapscallions of 4chan, ooh heavens no!
And, being a troon, idk GW might actually want them. The UK seems to have a thing for troons or something lol