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Anonymous No.96652010 [Report] >>96652065 >>96652523 >>96652577 >>96655252 >>96655911 >>96655963 >>96657645 >>96657815 >>96658298 >>96658497 >>96659616 >>96660976 >>96664255 >>96665165 >>96666943 >>96667002 >>96669261 >>96669412 >>96669455 >>96670597 >>96671209 >>96671263 >>96680548 >>96681041 >>96681325 >>96684503 >>96686930 >>96690199 >>96691247 >>96694618 >>96695579 >>96698913 >>96700251 >>96704795 >>96704955 >>96718532 >>96729595 >>96747540
How derivative is your setting?
Anonymous No.96652065 [Report] >>96652535 >>96657650 >>96721743
>>96652010 (OP)
Well the system has specialties (Subclasses if you need a comparison) based on:
- John Wick
- Doom 2016
- Skyrim
- Ultraman
- An entire class based on Kamen Rider
- Senki Zesshou Symphogear
- Devil May Cry (Specifically Vergil's DMC5 gameplay)
- Payday 2
- An entire class that's just the TF2 Engineer
- Demoman TF2

As well as Species options that are based on:
- Pikmin
- Alien X (Ben 10, visually)
- Imp Midna (Goblin Subspecies)
- A shitload of Monsterfolk races that draw from Monsume and MGE toned down for general use
- Feline beastfolk that are heavily geared around luchadore culture (El Tigre)
- Orcs that despite being meant to basically be creations of olde times wizard hitler I have been told are similar in origin to 40k Orks even if visually and culturally they're not the same.


Yeah, pretty derivative in a lot of its component parts, but the actual setting is stuff I came up with on my own, and any resemblance to existing settings is either an intentional reference or homage rather than a copy or pure coincidence.
Anonymous No.96652412 [Report] >>96652420
Even as a stupid kid starving for modern fantasy, I knew Eragon was too familiar lol
Anonymous No.96652420 [Report] >>96652567 >>96653557 >>96674939 >>96698248 >>96698300
>>96652412
You think?

*Ardwen - Arwen
*Isenstar - Isengard
*Mithrim - Mithrim or mithril
*Angrenost - Angrenost
*Morgothal - Morgoth
*Elessari - Elessar
*Furnost - Fornost
*Hadarac - Harad
*Melian - Melian
*Vanilor - Valinor
*Eridor - Eriador
*Imiladris - Imladris
*Undin - Fundin/Udun
*Gil'ead - Gil'Galad
*Ceranthor - Caranthir
*Isidar - Isildir
*Oromis - Orome
*Eragon - Aragorn
Anonymous No.96652523 [Report] >>96652557
>>96652010 (OP)
Yes in that mostly everything is inspired by several other things, but nothing is straight up ripped from some other work of fiction or reality. Everything is a sort of amalgam of other things sometimes with a spin, more or less.
Anonymous No.96652535 [Report] >>96654322
>>96652065
>Everything you just posted
Jesus christ
Anonymous No.96652557 [Report]
>>96652523
>but nothing is straight up ripped from some other work of fiction or reality

Different from Eragon then.
Anonymous No.96652567 [Report] >>96652613 >>96654360 >>96698248 >>96732562 >>96735184 >>96743507
>>96652420
Or, like, the entire magic system being a page one rip from Tales of Earthsea, just with all the actual mysticism and wonder stripped out of it
Anonymous No.96652577 [Report] >>96666632 >>96702093
>>96652010 (OP)
I avoid medieval stasis and standard fantasy races (demi-humans) for that very purpose
Anonymous No.96652613 [Report] >>96652640 >>96652756 >>96652792 >>96654237 >>96743507
>>96652567
Exactly. It's so frustrating though because I always hear Eragon fanboys gushing over the magic system. Is Earthsea obscure or something? Or maybe people who like Eragon just haven't read any other fantasy at all which is why they like Eragon to begin with.
Anonymous No.96652640 [Report]
>>96652613
>Or maybe people who like Eragon just haven't read any other fantasy at all which is why they like Eragon to begin with.
it was probably their first high fantasy book. It was one of mine, but I stopped before book 3 because I had read the better source material by that point.
Anonymous No.96652756 [Report]
>>96652613
People like Eragon because it got them into fantasy as kids.

And yeah, no one really gives a fuck about Le Guin. They should, though.
Anonymous No.96652792 [Report] >>96652890
>>96652613
Earthsea is obscure, but having read it a decade ago I couldn't tell you a single thing about the plot or setting, it didn't stick in my mind.
This was a decade ago though.
Anonymous No.96652812 [Report]
I essentially made a homebrew based on Dragon's Dogma, along with a mostly reworked combat and class system all for the sake of keeping vocations.
Pretty fun so far, the only group of four I'm DMing for is enjoying it a lot.
Anonymous No.96652862 [Report] >>96652878 >>96666711 >>96722666
I read through the whole Eragon series in elementary school and I don't remember anything except for:
>A pile of dead bodies with babies on it, which I thought was the most fucked up thing ever in 3rd grade
>Some sort of magic Chernobyl with evil snails
>The mentor character is revealed to not have known how doors worked when he was the protagonist's age.

Meanwhile I perfectly remember Heinlein's The Rolling Stones, which I read at the same time.

Still, I enjoyed Eragon more than Harry Potter, even if I don't remember it. Make of that what you will.
Anonymous No.96652870 [Report] >>96654418 >>96705059
Very.
>mlp
>RHGs
>minecraft
>warrior cats
>scratch.mit.edu
>hearts of iron 4
Anonymous No.96652878 [Report]
>>96652862
I just remember being mad that the boy became not only an Elf but a simp for some elf chick instead of ending up with the dragon.
Anonymous No.96652890 [Report] >>96654220
>>96652792
Reading Earthsea is like reading a dream. And just like a dream, you stop reading and you seem to always forget what happened even though it was so mesmerizing. I've read it several times in order to retain the gist of the series and understand it better.
Anonymous No.96653263 [Report]
>thetting
Anonymous No.96653557 [Report] >>96653566 >>96698248
>>96652420
In defence of 16 year old paulini, eragon is one letter off dragon (thats his whole deal), haderack could just as easily be from dune, and gi'lead is one sylable off just being lead (iirc a dwarven mining town).

A lot of the names do match phonetically, but they often arent used for equivalent things in the stories
Anonymous No.96653566 [Report]
>>96653557
>In defence of 16 year old paulini

He was 18 when he started writing the book and 19 when he finished.
Anonymous No.96654220 [Report]
>>96652890
It's very much written like an elder sitting you down and telling you a tale. Hearing it read aloud with an old man narrator really crystallizes the experience. Also it's got the serene/sedate quality of a Ghibli movie, which all the more a shame they botched their attempt at adapting it. Should've just done a straight adaptation of the first book instead of mashing together like 3 of them.
Anonymous No.96654237 [Report] >>96654286 >>96660850 >>96670897 >>96674873 >>96729088
>>96652613
I don't know if I've ever met anyone who continued liking Eragon. Everyone I've met who's read it at best thinks of it as something they liked when they were a kid. Most never read past the 2nd book. I have a hard time imagining someone who walked away from the 4th book still thinking the series was worthwhile.
Anonymous No.96654286 [Report] >>96654298 >>96691567
>>96654237
Genuinely the moment people start reading other fantasy literature Eragon is rapidly exposed as being soulless. I don't think Eragon is a big issue in the genre for that reason. Now, The Name of the Wind (inoffensive on its own, fine as budget Harry Potter I guess) and its ill-begotten sequel (unbelievable trash) are utterly fucked and unfortunately have an entire audience of zoomers that quote it like the second coming.
>muh wrath of a patient man
Anonymous No.96654298 [Report] >>96654310 >>96656353 >>96657658
>>96654286
It's worse than soulless it's plagiarized. I had seen Star Wars and read LotR and A Wizard of Earthsea by the time I read Eragon and I immediately saw it for what it was. My family and friends all seemed oblivious to the plagiarism which made me feel like I was going crazy. It's so fucking transparent. How could anyone miss it?
Anonymous No.96654310 [Report]
>>96654298
>How could anyone miss it?
One of the hardest lessons to learn is that 99% of people don't even have the mental capacity to think about a piece of media as they consume it. To some extent critical analysis is a skill that has to be developed, yes, but not everyone has the potential to do learn it. There are so, so many people who simply watch a movie or read a book and have zero internal dialogue about it, zero analysis, zero insight into what they just absorbed into their brains. It simply goes into their eyeholes and earholes and rebounds off of nothing, fading without echo into an infinite void within their skulls.
That or they just haven't read LotR or watched Star Wars. Earthsea is a bit less famous of a plagiarism source and Eragon's not the only book series to rip off its magic system wholesale while pretending to be original.
Anonymous No.96654322 [Report] >>96655248
>>96652535
>WAHHH YOU LIKE THINGS I DON'T
It's a contemporary setting. Also, I can't stand traditional fantasy. It's so fucking boring.
Anonymous No.96654360 [Report] >>96654376 >>96658183 >>96660875
>>96652567
>Or, like, the entire magic system being a page one rip from Tales of Earthsea, just with all the actual mysticism and wonder stripped out of it

Paolini is too much of a reddit atheist for mysticism. His Mary Sue elves are all atheists too after all and they smugly mock the silly beliefs of dwarves to their faces in their own temples. This despite the author establishing the existence of spirits in his setting.
Anonymous No.96654376 [Report]
>>96654360
Oh and Poalini's elves are furfags too because he's a furfag. Some of his elves use magic to become animal hybrids and one of them is a blue-furred wolf-elf covered in blue fur who emits a musk that makes women horny and no I am not making any of that up.
Anonymous No.96654418 [Report]
>>96652870
Underrated post. Like so cringe its good. I know you never will, but your should broadcast your games.

Also you need a Homestuck Trolls nation for peak 2010s cringe.
Anonymous No.96655248 [Report]
>>96654322
NTA but bruh maybe tone it down a bit.
Anonymous No.96655252 [Report] >>96655275
>>96652010 (OP)
I dunno ask the worldbuilding general.
Anonymous No.96655275 [Report] >>96655300 >>96655941
>>96655252
I will not, generals are for redditors who want everything to have its own own subreddit. Well that's ot how achan board works, redditor.
Anonymous No.96655300 [Report]
>>96655275
What is reddit?
Anonymous No.96655911 [Report] >>96664833
>>96652010 (OP)
>How derivative is your setting?
I run 3 games currently
>The Elderly Scrolls: Morrowind
Extremely derivative
>Historical sandbox set in Viking age Britain
Extremely derivative
>Vampire/werewolf/demon hunters set in a generic American metropolis in 2012
Extremely derivative
I'm a hack, it seems
Anonymous No.96655941 [Report] >>96662795 >>96665127
>>96655275
Generals were on this site before Reddit even existed.
Anonymous No.96655963 [Report] >>96680980
>>96652010 (OP)
We are literally playing in a crossover between gacha games. It doesn't get more derivative than that.
>setting?
pic related
>system?
The one and only GURPS Infinite Worlds
Anonymous No.96656353 [Report] >>96657134 >>96658109 >>96658259 >>96661178
>>96654298
because 99% of people don't give a shit about plagiarism if the work has legs and Eragon did have legs. Most people here probably never finished it, but it got a lot better.
Anonymous No.96657134 [Report]
>>96656353
All I vaguely remember was Eragon being some uber-elf that went around trying to collect dragon gems to no-sell the bad guy's anti-magic field and then Ghost-Rider-guilted him into becoming a nuke.
Anonymous No.96657603 [Report] >>96692493
BAA: Last Order
Eden: It's an Endless World!
War with the Newts
The House Of A Thousand Floors
HOI4: TNO
Blindsight
Battletech

Rate the cringeness!
Anonymous No.96657645 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
You first, OP
Anonymous No.96657650 [Report]
>>96652065
What system? Looks like Outgunned material.
Anonymous No.96657658 [Report]
>>96654298
>People are having fun wrong! How dare they!
Anonymous No.96657770 [Report]
Elves have hairless groins.
Anonymous No.96657815 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
It's derviative of at least 4 different things smushed together with my own autism sprinkled on top, which counts as it being original.
Anonymous No.96658109 [Report] >>96658183
>>96656353
>Eragon did have legs
no. I read the first three books and they were all trash. Then I got the ending spoiled for me and I knew it was unsalvagable
Anonymous No.96658183 [Report] >>96658791 >>96669400
>>96654360
>and they smugly mock the silly beliefs of dwarves to their faces in their own temples
Doesn't at least one god of the dwarves unquestionably exist, too? I seem to remember he shows up at some point.

>>96658109
The ending, as in the very last chapters of the last book, after the big bad's defeat, was actually pretty interesting. The victors immediately go right back to hating each other, the elves and dwarves force a traumatized, easily-manipulated black woman onto the throne of the Empire instead of the embittered rightful heir so that they can keep mankind under their control, Eragon and all the dragons just fuck off into the wilderness, and you can just tell the whole continent is going to erupt into war pretty fucking soon. It's quite bitter overall.
Anonymous No.96658259 [Report] >>96658374
>>96656353
Derivative works aren't plagiarism.
Anonymous No.96658298 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
It's "The Lord of the Rings" in space.
Anonymous No.96658374 [Report]
>>96658259
They are when they're derivative enough.
Anonymous No.96658386 [Report] >>96700189 >>96726026
My setting is 100% based on my players.
I am a heroin addict and when I can manage to pull myself to the dm screen you better believe I came with no fucking idea of what to do next.
I assume everything is original until proven otherwise.
Don't do drugs, kids.
Anonymous No.96658497 [Report] >>96658674 >>96700189
>>96652010 (OP)
Didn't he make another one of these recently?
Anonymous No.96658674 [Report] >>96658719 >>96658730 >>96658787 >>96660939 >>96682457 >>96699611
>>96658497
I think so. I wonder if it's another literary masterpiece on par with Nobel prize winner Seamus Heaney and Tolkien "at his best". That's Paolini's estimation of his own talent. Just look at how he describes a crackling fire:

>The branch Roran had added to the fire burst asunder with a muted pop as the coals underneath heated the gnarled length of wood to the point where a small cache of water or sap that had somehow evaded the rays of the sun for untold decades exploded into steam.

Such mastery of the written word.
Anonymous No.96658719 [Report] >>96699611
>>96658674
That hurt me to read.
Anonymous No.96658730 [Report] >>96699611
>>96658674
More words = more better
Anonymous No.96658787 [Report] >>96658794 >>96659221
>>96658674
You can really see why only his wealthy parents with their own publishing company would print his books.
Anonymous No.96658791 [Report] >>96658841
>>96658183
The ending being "and then the world went to shit" doesn't really salvage the entirety of the narrative up to that point being cliche and uninspired anon. And it certainly doesn't fix the method Eragon used to beat the final villain being as retarded as "just feel empathy and kill urself my man lol"
Anonymous No.96658794 [Report]
>>96658787
That is seriously astoundingly bad prose…
Anonymous No.96658841 [Report]
>>96658791
I fully agree, the books were still shit overall, the ending being somewhat more interesting than the rest of it doesn't compensate. But might as well acknowledge what little good there is.
Anonymous No.96659221 [Report] >>96663435 >>96663996
>>96658787
I don't think his parents had a publishing company they were just rich and self-published their son's bad Star Wars/LotR fanfiction. Then because he was homeschooled they took him on a cross country book tour and lied to everyone about how Chris wrote it at 15. He "imagined" the story at 15 and actually wrote it between 18 and 19. But the "child prodigy" grift worked and the story generated enough word of mouth that it was picked up by a big name publisher.
Anonymous No.96659616 [Report] >>96660801
>>96652010 (OP)
What about yours? Give an insightful and well thought out answer that's not obviously AI-generated.
Anonymous No.96660801 [Report]
>>96659616
Why?
Anonymous No.96660850 [Report] >>96660875 >>96660939 >>96666883
>>96654237
I've been through the series recently to knock the nostalgia goggles off. The first book is absolutely derivative, but those elements start to dwindle over time as he does actually significantly improve as an author over the course of the books with significant loss in the amount of how derivative it maintains as the series goes on. Taken as a whole it is largely introductory fantasy, but I can say there are significantly worse starts out there and many authors that are by far more stagnant.

I can see some worth as a tool to show someone fully new to the genre on how initially derivative elements can be evolved in a distinct way, as well as an example that you can improve with effort that can be harder to tell with high-level authors due to them being so far beyond the average person's skill level.
Anonymous No.96660875 [Report]
>>96654360
The reddit atheism declines over the course of the books, especially when a Dwarf God directly shows up. Paolini's revisit to the setting with the new Murtagh book that I also read as part of the reread mentioned >>96660850
goes much further than that. Just my read of things, but both Elves and the Atheism aspects generally get the vibe of things he thought were cool at the time of writing books 1 and 2, but as he matured as a writer by 4 and the short stories he ultimqtely turned away from.
Anonymous No.96660939 [Report] >>96699611
>>96660850
>he does actually significantly improve as an author over the course of the books

Not unless he managed a complete 180° turn in quality by book 4 because 2 and 3 were fucking terrible also. Hell isn't this bit >>96658674 from the second book?
Anonymous No.96660976 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
100% derivative. It's just a kitchen sink of stuff I like from things I've seen, read, watched in the past that I thought were cool.
Anonymous No.96661178 [Report] >>96662730 >>96663390
>>96656353
the first book was the best by far, and there was that whole bloated third volume where nothing happened
Anonymous No.96662730 [Report]
>>96661178
The first book (and the second) was just Star Wars by way of The Lord of the Rings. Paolini had to pivot hard so the end of his planned trilogy wouldn't just be RotJ with dragons.
Anonymous No.96662767 [Report] >>96669099
"My setting" is houseruled The Dark Eye, my game sessions are amalgamations of that, Berserk, Gothic and Dark Souls 1 (the good one).
So, very much, but my players like it and I like GMing it.
Anonymous No.96662795 [Report] >>96665127
>>96655941
prs undastandu, reddit is the only outer reference he knows
Anonymous No.96663390 [Report]
>>96661178
I dropped it after the third book (I was also aging out of the age bracket for the series I think) because I expected a trilogy and then nothing fucking happened in the third one. Loved the first two, though
Anonymous No.96663435 [Report] >>96663487
>>96659221
Scholastic shilled his books to us real hard when I was in middle school. Makes the whole thing just that much tackier, that we were being sold this slop so aggressively.
Anonymous No.96663487 [Report] >>96663727
>>96663435
Oh how terrible scholastic was marketing children's novels to children.
Anonymous No.96663727 [Report] >>96663817 >>96669166
>>96663487
They could have put the effort into marketing GOOD novels, is the point.
Anonymous No.96663817 [Report] >>96677239
>>96663727
If you're a kid then Inheritance is a good novel as indicated by how many people have good memories of reading it as a kid. And I'd venture that for most of us it was a stepping stone to better fantasy novels
Anonymous No.96663996 [Report] >>96664943
>>96659221
>"I don't think his parents had a publishing company..."
>Paolini International LLC is a publishing company, famous for having published Christopher Paolini's Inheritance cycle
Honestly, why talk bullshit when you don't know something that takes a few seconds to confirm?
Anonymous No.96664101 [Report] >>96664918
Do 40k secondaries understand that the dark age of technology wasn't actually a dark age but is called as such by the Imperium who considers the technology heretical and can't replicate most of it now anyway?
Anonymous No.96664255 [Report] >>96665676 >>96700227
>>96652010 (OP)
Very. I learned my lesson many years ago.

>Players complain that my generic fantasy setting is indistinguishable from FR or Greyhawk
>Take a weekly session off to finish brewing up a whole new setting with races designed from the ground up (as in, I looked at random fantasy art, imagined things, wrote those down)
>New magic system (actually AD&D 2e's magic system with the schools and spheres shuffled around, but don't worry about it)
>Giant mushroom forests, rainbow glass deserts, flying rock used to make airships, etc.

>Present it to players who complained
>None of them are interested
>They all want to play as elves and dwarves and fight orcs in a castle

>Present to potential other players
>Get called a hack because none of what I have written is original
>Menhir people who get bigger and slower as they age, eventually becoming buildings for future generations which are born by falling off them when they crumble?
>Those are just dwarves because they live in the mountains (they live on the peaks rather than underneath, but let's not pick at semantics when anon needs to be told he's a retard)
>Crab people necromancers who cultivate cordyceps to raise zombie slaves of every kind of insect you can think of and breed freakish warbeasts for sport?
>Those are just elves because they live in the forests (actually the jungles, but let's not pick at semantics when anon needs to be told he's a retard)
>Humans present?
>Anon, you retard! Your setting is just Lord of the Rings but boring!

>Read through my notes on my computer in a bad mood
>DELETE_FUCKING_EVERYTHING.jpg
>Every fantasy setting I run after that is generic fantasy or written by someone else
>No complaints since

This taught me two things:
>Never pitch a setting. Just run the game.
>Many people refuse to DM the game they want to see.
Anonymous No.96664833 [Report] >>96664853
>>96655911
>Viking age Britain
Ayy nice. My dwarves were based on Anglo Saxon england and the Orks were Vikings. And then the elves across the mountains to the east were just feudal Japan. I also lifted the buddy bonding system from xcom 2. and tieflings were jews
Anonymous No.96664853 [Report] >>96665175
>>96664833
>Spoiler
In the fun way or the obvious way?
Anonymous No.96664918 [Report]
>>96664101
>Do 40k secondaries understand that the dark age of technology wasn't actually a dark age but is called as such by the Imperium who considers the technology heretical and can't replicate most of it now anyway?
Why are you acting like using the in-universe term for something is something a secondary would do?
Anonymous No.96664920 [Report]
very
Anonymous No.96664943 [Report] >>96665061
>>96663996
Buddy, it's a company that they created specifically to self publish their son's book. They didn't "have a publishing company," they started a fucking LLC.

I swear, /tg/ gets dumber every fucking day.
Anonymous No.96665061 [Report] >>96665111
>>96664943
>they started the company that had already existed and previous published another book for another book made AFTER that
You're a retard.
Anonymous No.96665111 [Report] >>96665218
>>96665061
What book did they publish before Eragon?
Anonymous No.96665127 [Report]
>>96655941
>>96662795
Show me one "general" thread from before 2005. Just one.
Anonymous No.96665165 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
Escaflowne, FFXII, Tsutomu Nihei superstructure works.

Let's try to climb the ancient marble space elevator guys, I'm sure it's not full of killer robots!
Anonymous No.96665169 [Report] >>96671519
So they self-published like I said you moron.
Anonymous No.96665175 [Report] >>96700239
>>96664853
Depends what you mean by "fun" but basically they were the shady viziers behind the throne pursuing their own racial agenda. They manipulated the dwarves into signing a trade agreement with the gnomes that resulted in the dwarvish capital to be filled with gnomish migrants. The elves expelled them when the daimyo discovered they were abducting and murdering citizens for their blood rituals.
Anonymous No.96665186 [Report]
0%
All fresh. No derivative.
Anonymous No.96665218 [Report]
>>96665111
Multiple written by Paolini's mother and some randoms, they were a commercial business founded in 1997 and were called Paolini International LLC. Eragon didn't get published by them until 2002.
Anonymous No.96665676 [Report] >>96670806
>>96664255
>the sheer stretch to make the comparisons
Those people sound pretty retarded. That's like saying Tibetans are just dwarves because they also live in mountainous areas
Anonymous No.96666632 [Report]
>>96652577
Same. Unless I am in the mood for a Greyhawk style old school fantasy setting, I don't care for generic fantasy. Not for my worldbuilding, anyway.

I don't like to use elves, dwarves or halflings either.
Anonymous No.96666711 [Report] >>96666970
>>96652862
>Some sort of magic Chetnobyl with evil snails
Shit nigga I'd read that
Anonymous No.96666883 [Report] >>96666923
>>96660850
See, I can't agree with this sentiment because whenever he stops being derivative, he just gets retarded and introduces plot devices. The entire concept of the dragon heartstone things (what was the term, eldunari?) was a disaster for the stakes of the plot. Also even as a kid I could tell how sloppy the ward retcon was.
That said, I won't say it's a total wash. There's some cute ideas every now and then, like the curse child from when he fucked up the grammar on a blessing, and his depiction of dwarves may be generic but in a familiar, charming way. He seems like the kind of guy who should be on a writing team, rather than a solo act.
Anonymous No.96666923 [Report] >>96667004
>>96666883
>There's some cute ideas every now and then, like the curse child from when he fucked up the grammar on a blessing

She is literally a copy/paste of Alia from Dune. Paolini is incapable of an original thought. Even the dragon heartstone things aren't his idea they're from some old toy series.
Anonymous No.96666943 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
My main setting is "Noblebright 40k" with the serials filed off and focusing on a single specific paradise world treating it as a post-cyberpunk thing.
My secondary setting, which is fantasy-based, steals from everything I've ever liked in fantasy fiction and games I've played in. Very much a crystal dragon holy roman empire sort of thing.
My tertiary setting, which I am running now, is fanfic 10 years after the canon sequel to Final Fantasy IV.
As for rules, I started with 4E so I could finally run a game I wasn't in-charge of. Then moving to a homebrew thing because I am that autard. Then finally moving to Savage Worlds after a refit to the rules lead to me being a pissy bitch.
Anonymous No.96666970 [Report]
>>96666711
It's a bit neat, but probably not as much as you're imagining. As I recall, using magic to unmake something basically causes a nuclear explosion on the spot and at the end of a big battle, some dude used the spell on himself to nuke. He's pretty explicit about it leaving behind radioactive contamination short of actually using the term "irradiated". Eragon has to travel through the nuked city to get a macguffin at one point and I think they just use some protection magic to negate the radiation.
Anonymous No.96667002 [Report] >>96668023
>>96652010 (OP)
>derivative
This shit wasn't derivative, it was painfully flanderized tolkien. The elves were the most insufferable, flawless, goody two-shoes characters in the series, going so far as to have elf characters lecture the MC about veganism and why they dont' believe in the death penalty. The villains were boring and derivative, the dwarfs were extremely derivative and dull but the elves were on another level of obnoxious flanderization.
Anonymous No.96667004 [Report]
>>96666923
Eh, that's a pretty superficial one. They're both little girls who developed physically and mentally with supernatural speed and became uncanny/creepy as a result, but their specific circumstances and how they behave don't bear much in common. I could believe Alia is where he got the inspiration, but in this case I think he actually put in enough legwork coming up with his own spin on it.
Although, that said, I wouldn't be surprised if there was another, more specific thing he was ripping off.
Anonymous No.96668023 [Report]
>>96667002
The elves were fedora atheists and furfags too don't forget. You can learn a lot about Paolini from his elves.
Anonymous No.96669099 [Report] >>96698023
>>96662767
>▶
That sounds kickass man. Would love to hear more about it.
Anonymous No.96669166 [Report]
>>96663727
This is the same company that sold you 20 novels of Goosebumps. They wanted you to read, and as long as it wasn't a comic book they were happy.
Anonymous No.96669261 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
The game I'm running now is a module, so 100%? I'll make my own stuff to continue the campaign when the adventure is finished, but it'll still be a 100% in terms of a setting I didn't make.
Anonymous No.96669400 [Report] >>96673716 >>96732581
>>96658183
The big bads defeat was so retarded. He wasn't even evil. We are just told he is, but he doesn't actually do anything evil. He's such a nice guy he doesn't even have his "rivers of fire" spewing dragon incinerate the "good guys" camp when it could have done.
Anonymous No.96669412 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
Very so
No matter what i imagine, it has been imaged before and is similar to what i try.
So ido what everyone does
take inspiration from history and ancient mythology
Anonymous No.96669455 [Report] >>96669495 >>96669498 >>96669681 >>96675352 >>96694035 >>96695329
>>96652010 (OP)
This just reminded me of the anti-shurtugal community and their chapter-by-chapter hating ("sporking") of the books. What a blast from the past.

https://eragon-sporkings.fandom.com/wiki/Eragon_Sporkings_Wiki
Anonymous No.96669495 [Report]
>>96669455
now that is some distilled seething
Anonymous No.96669498 [Report] >>96669678 >>96675473
>>96669455
I read the third book just so I could hate on it with anti-shurtugal but the site died right around then. And holy shit your link has the epistles in it.
Anonymous No.96669678 [Report] >>96671079 >>96675352 >>96694035
>>96669498
Paolini eventually wrote a (bad) sci-fi book and the old gang came back together to spork that one too:

https://antishurtugal-reborn.dreamwidth.org/?tag=to+spork+irately+a+space+opera+story
Anonymous No.96669681 [Report]
>>96669455
Is this the guy who has like a 5 page rant about Eragon having his pants down while talking about stepping on ants or something?
Anonymous No.96670597 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
It's essentially just a tribute to Arcanum with all my fetishes wormed in there. Fairly derivative.
Anonymous No.96670806 [Report] >>96699756
>>96665676
Here are the arguments I remember from that particular discussion:
>Anon, your rock people are dwarves because they live in the mountains
>No anon, dwarves can be huge and still be dwarves
>No anon, they don't have to be little guys who like drinking and digging to be dwarves
>No anon, dwarves don't have to live in the mountains
>You're a hack, anon! Your mountian-dwelling rock people are dwarves
I was sick of subversive writing before everyone else was and I'm not saying that to be a hipster.
Anonymous No.96670897 [Report]
>>96654237
It was great, when I was twelve and didn't have taste in fiction other than 'dragons sure are cool'. I could wax fucking poetic on its failings today, though.
Also, gay-ass baby-ass 'horrible fate' prophecy of "you will leave this land and never return", yeah, so does everyone, bitch, it's called mortality.
Anonymous No.96671079 [Report] >>96671162
>>96669678
>The eldritch zerg were created by the protagonist yesterday by accident
What the fuck, Paolini.
Anyway, I'm not reading any more of this. I tried, and all the quotes are physically painful.
Anonymous No.96671162 [Report]
>>96671079
Is he still writing with a lyrical beauty on par with Seamus Heaney and Tolkien at his best?
Anonymous No.96671209 [Report] >>96671234
>>96652010 (OP)
I dropped the one thing that was truly original in my setting because it wasn't good
Anonymous No.96671234 [Report] >>96671290
>>96671209
Well what was it?
Anonymous No.96671263 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
I steal a fair number of monsters from Fromsoft games and Monster Hunter.
Anonymous No.96671290 [Report] >>96672284 >>96719536
>>96671234
I had replaced space with a sea of white clouds for some whatever bullshit cosmic reason so the sky was white and there was no sun or stars and heat came from the ground.
But I realized a world without sun was way too weird for humans
Anonymous No.96671519 [Report]
>>96665169
>owning an international publishing company is the same as self-publishing
You're retarded.
Anonymous No.96672284 [Report] >>96673619
>>96671290
Yeah, that's a bit out there. What was the original thought behind it? Having ships sailing through the clouds?
Anonymous No.96673619 [Report]
>>96672284
I'm not sure I remember I'd have to find my old notepad where I drew that but I don't think I wrote any explanation.

I remember a scene I saw while sailing which was beautiful and I think that's what inspired it.
The sky was cloudy so the sea was silver colored and few sun rays pierced through and made the silver sea sparkle with gold. And in that setting I have a massive tower built in ancient times piercing the sky and reaching the heavens out of which golden rays shine and reach the sea.
Maybe it also came from the idea that Heaven is above the sky and is bunch of white clouds or something.
Anonymous No.96673716 [Report] >>96674385 >>96674782 >>96675203
>>96669400
That's part of what makes the ending surprisingly interesting, to me at least. The big bad not being a saint but actually not doing anything particularly evil either is a legitimately nice twist. Turns out Eragon was used as a puppet by elves and dead dragons to take their revenge over the guy who ended their rule over the entire world, and as soon as that guy dies, elves and dwarves immediately put another puppet on the throne of humanity. It's basically the only part of the series that wasn't derivative.
Anonymous No.96674385 [Report] >>96674458
>>96673716
I doubt that's intentional. Paolini just sucks at characterization. He doesn't show he tells.
Anonymous No.96674458 [Report] >>96674637
>>96674385
It's certainly possible. One of the only interesting character arcs in the books (the king of Surda's) is confirmed as being completely accidental, he only ever intended to depict him as a bumbing idiot who eventually turns into a drunkard.
Anonymous No.96674637 [Report] >>96674783 >>96682457 >>96711352
>>96674458
>It's certainly possible.

Bruh look at how he writes. Paolini is as incapable of nuance as he is of original thought.

>Around them, the thick pines formed a cave with their branches, hiding Eragon and Arya from the world and muffling the cool, still air. The hollow seemed ageless, as if it were removed from the world and protected by some magic against the withering breath of time. In that secret place, Eragon felt suddenly close to Arya, and all his passion for her sprang to the fore of his mind. He was so intoxicated with the strength and vitality coursing through his veins—as well as the untamed magic that filled the forest—he ignored caution and said, “How tall the trees, how bright the stars... and how beautiful you are, O Arya Svit-kona.” Under normal circumstances, he would have considered his deed the height of folly, but in that fey, madcap night, it seemed perfectly sane.
Anonymous No.96674782 [Report] >>96674824 >>96674842
>>96673716
Didn't the elves get pretty fucked up by the war? Lost their queen to that roided up gigachad that the emperor sent on a rampage while he had magic turned off, as I recall. Don't think that was part of their plan.
Also there's Murtagh, a human, still running around knowing the name of magic. Kind of a Sasuke situation where he robably shouldn't just be running free, but he said he's sorry and helped at the right time, so the only people powerful enough to do anything about it let him go. At any rate, I doubt having a human besides Eragon running around with that knowledge was a desired outcome for the elves.
Anonymous No.96674783 [Report] >>96674807
>>96674637
>The hollow seemed ageless, as if it were ageless
What a fucking hack
Anonymous No.96674807 [Report]
>>96674783
Meh, it's purple prose without question, but proposing that something seems pristine to the point where one wonders if it's in fact protected by magic is a genuine sentiment for the setting.
Anonymous No.96674824 [Report] >>96674867
>>96674782
>Eragon's elves have superhuman speed, strength, reflexes and durability, are naturally the best spellcasters in the world and even the weakest of them can effortlessly kill dozens of men with their bare hands
>the fucking queen of the elves gets killed in a duel against one (1) man powered by a single dead dragon
>said man then somehow proceeds to get killed by a single man literally suplexing him to death
That last battle was such a fucking embarrassment
Anonymous No.96674842 [Report]
>>96674782
>I doubt having a human besides Eragon running around with that knowledge was a desired outcome for the elves.
I doubt Eragon allowing dwarves and the orc-analogs of the setting to become dragonriders was a desired outcome of theirs, either. They were already disdainful of human dragonriders, imagine just how much they'll despise the new ones.
Anonymous No.96674867 [Report] >>96674908
>>96674824
To be fair, gigachad tearing elven ass was quite possibly the only redeeming element in the final book. Also I thought they killed him by collapsing a building on top of him or something.
Anonymous No.96674873 [Report] >>96674939 >>96674974
>>96654237
I like all four books, but I haven’t read them in over a decade. I have them on my re-reading list to see if their literary value holds up as an adult (I don’t think it will), but the story is entertaining. I don’t mind that it’s a bunch of stereotypes mashed together because, as mentioned by other anons, they do eventually evolve into their own unique elements.

>Murtagh best lad, the story should have been about him.
Anonymous No.96674908 [Report] >>96674957
>>96674867
iirc they have to try a whole bunch of shit to kill him. They magically redirect the projectiles of several catapults to land right on him, which doesn't even hurt him but does bring him down, then they ambush him with a bunch of giant trolls and an army of cats (I'm not even kidding) while he's down and proceed to beat the living shit out of him, which still doesn't kill him but does end up denting his armour, then Eragon's cousin (naturally) grabs him from behind and grips him hard until the dead dragon crystal in the armour shatters under the strain, which finally does the trick.
Anonymous No.96674939 [Report] >>96675467
>>96674873
>I don’t mind that it’s a bunch of stereotypes

Look at >>96652420, are those "stereotypes"? Is the beat by beat retelling of Star Wars a "stereotype"? Is the magic from A Wizard of Earthsea a "stereotype"?
Anonymous No.96674957 [Report] >>96675061
>>96674908
God, it's been so long, but that cat thing is stirring my memory. What was it, cats were actually all sapient and magic and shit?
Anonymous No.96674974 [Report] >>96674981
>>96674873
Eragon is a five book series that ends with the novel Murtagh, recently released in 2024.
Anonymous No.96674981 [Report] >>96674995
>>96674974
He made another one?
Anonymous No.96674995 [Report] >>96675018
>>96674981
He also wrote a book around covid times called The Fork, the Witch, and the Worm. Name is a reference to the light, the witch, and the wardrobe.
Anonymous No.96675018 [Report] >>96675142
>>96674995
>reference

Right, a reference. We all know how Paolini loves his "references".
Anonymous No.96675061 [Report]
>>96674957
Exactly. I'm not even sure why Paolini included them, none of them ever do anything of substance beyond the first one Eragon meets, and there was no need to base an entire race around one talking cat.
Anonymous No.96675142 [Report]
>>96675018
I can't tell if Eragon is because of Aragon, or because it's "Dragon" but if you fat finger the D and hit the E on the keyboard instead.
Anonymous No.96675203 [Report] >>96675396
>>96673716
No way that's intentional. Paolini thinks he's writing a clear-cut good vs. evil story. He's just too dumb to do even that, so the Emperor has unironically done nothing wrong while our heroes are crazy, blood-thirsty sadists. His only good character (Murthag) is only good by accident too and apparently gets character assassinated in his own sequel novel.
Anonymous No.96675352 [Report] >>96678146 >>96695329
>>96669455
>>96669678
I don't particularly rate the guy, but fuck me why would people get this petty? Their hatred is so strong they're obsessing over every little thing he says and literally built a small community just to hate on him more. Did he refuse to sign a book or something?
Anonymous No.96675396 [Report] >>96675512
>>96675203
Well, in some fairness, the emperor was happy to let Durza run around and just be a general sadistic menace.
Anonymous No.96675467 [Report] >>96675508 >>96675636
>>96674939
I had read Eragon before seeing/reading any of the other mentioned items. And yes, Eragon is chock-full of tropes/stereotypes. Eragon may have copied Star Wars, but Star Wars copied Dune and old samurai movies. Those works copied other works. Very few works are entirely original, and that’s why stereotypes and tropes are fine in my opinion. The use of stereotypes can be used to elevate or deepen a work
Anonymous No.96675473 [Report]
>>96669498
>the site died right around then
He just took so long to write the third book everybody moved on. The haters got bored, the kids who liked the books grew up into adults who could tell they were crap.
Anonymous No.96675508 [Report]
>>96675467
Sure, nihil novi sub solem, but that's not a free pass to be creatively bankrupt. There's a threshold you can cross between drawing on something and ripping it off.
Anonymous No.96675512 [Report] >>96675642
>>96675396
Speaking of, and this is a genuine question, would it have been better if it turned out G-Man was basically an Alzheimer's vegetable of an old man by the time Eragon got to him? At least then we could've spun some allegorical shit about the price of power or how getting everything you want is meaningless if you don't know why you want it or something pretentious like that.
Anonymous No.96675636 [Report]
>>96675467
>Eragon may have copied Star Wars, but Star Wars copied Dune and old samurai movies.

Bitch read this:

At the start of the story a princess leading a rebellion against an evil empire is being pursued by the evil emperor's right hand man. She's in possession of an object of great importance which was stolen from the empire. Before she is captured she attempts to secret the item away to a hermit who once belonged to an ancient order of warriors with mystical powers. However the item inadvertently comes into the possession of a boy of foggy origins living with his uncle on a remote farm. The evil emperor's minions track the item to the farm and destroy it, killing the boy's relatives. But the boy escapes with the old hermit who gives him a sword he claims belonged to the boy's father. As they travel together the hermit trains the boy in the ways of the ancient order of warriors. Then the hermit dies protecting the boy, the boy rescues the princess from the start of the story with the help of a dashing rogue, and the boy, rogue, and princess journey together to the rebellion's secret headquarters which has come under attack by the evil empire. At the story's climax the boy saves the day with the timely help of his friends. Afterwards he has a vision of a powerful master of the ancient order of warriors who can finish his training. He seeks the master out and trains with him, growing very powerful. But before his training is finished the boy has premonitions that his friends are in danger. He decides he must go to help them despite his master warning him not to. The boy promises that he will return and leaves. He finds his friends just in time as they are threatened by the evil emperor's right hand man. In the ensuing fight the evil emperor's right hand man reveals that he and the boy are related. The boy is shocked and ultimately defeated, but not killed.

Do Dune or any samurai movies fit into this exact framework, or just Star Wars and Eragon?
Anonymous No.96675642 [Report] >>96677037
>>96675512
Meh. An anticlimactic subversion like that is hard to pull off even for a good writer, let alone Paolini. He just needed to be a more introspective villain. Of course Paolini was trying to emulate Palpatine's role in Star Wars, but it doesn't really hold up since the stakes don't match up with Star Wars. Palpatine was powerful with the Force, but he still needed his fleets and the Death Star to actually get shit done. Meanwhile it feels like Galbatorix could always just fly out on his dragon and personally crush the rebels at any time, even before learning the name of magic, but he simply can't be bothered. It creates some underlying tension of "When's he gonna show up and massacre everyone?" which never actually materializes until they fucking bust down his door. There needed to be a bit more substance to why he's so disengaged.
Anonymous No.96677037 [Report] >>96677105 >>96677273 >>96689387
>>96675642
>There needed to be a bit more substance to why he's so disengaged.
Oh, I can explain that: because Paolini was too young to write a story, he just copied Tolkien and made Galbalbawhatever a discount Sauron, who famously didn't join the field of battle at the end of the Second Age until the armies were at his door and had sieged his fortress for years. Paolini probably thought "if Tolkien can do that, I can do the same to explain away why the most powerful Dragon Rider on the biggest dragon wouldn't just come outside and put the entire rebellion down in seconds", but he was too young to realise Tolkien HAD an actual reason (Sauron was scared, he'd already been beaten by just the Numenoreans before).
Anonymous No.96677105 [Report]
>>96677037
He makes a half-assed attempt in the last book to justify Galbatorix's inaction by saying that he's been too busy researching the name and breaking Eldunari, except this doesn't really work because in his first book, Galbatorix takes the time to traveil to one of the major cities of his realm just to chastise the local ruler for being too lenient. If he's got time to do that, he had time to crush the rebels whenever he wanted.
Anonymous No.96677239 [Report]
>>96663817
This.
I read it.
It's not good from any kind of serious perspective, but not everything needs to be a literary masterpiece. I liked the Pokemon cartoon when I was a kid too, and most of those episodes were shit.
It was the trash fantasy sloppa of its time. There's always some fad slop making the rounds, times were better when people would actually read these series and we could have some common cultural touchstones. Books still come out and are more profitable than ever, but ironically those markets are all real niche and nothing is had really breached containment and been an actual hit in quite a while.
Anonymous No.96677273 [Report] >>96677706
>>96677037
Yeah, the whole "river of fire" breathing grand dragon that should have curb stomped the rebels.
Though to be fair the rebels should have died in the earlier battle where their grand army gets split into small groups by the much larger Imperial army which should have spelled the end fir them but, somehow, doesnt....?
Or the big boat battering ram that would have been swamped and smashed by its own wave, but isn't, and the garrison never react to it inspire of having a clear line of sight to it.
The bug bad reads as a man trying to preserve his people and bring about peace instead of letting them be slaughtered in a war against a seething bunch of ubersmench tyrants and their brainwashed and tricked cannon fod- sorry, 'allies'.

If there's one thing that did come from it, eragon inspired me to make a city dungeon crawl with the players, including a destined king, helping an army storm the capital of the evil empire ruled by a liche whom slew the dragon riding defenders of justice...
Except its actually not so, the riders where elves whom used the dragons to dominate the land and stifle other races under their rule. The elves organised this rebellion and spent centuries spinning propaganda and false flag attacks.
The liche overthrew them and drove out the gnomish bankers and has been using necromancy to make the lives of his people easier, with skeletons labouring so the living have time to study finer arts, learn crafts, be educated, etc.
There are hints throwout the assault, and the liche does expose a lot during the final fight, if the party reaches him.
Anonymous No.96677706 [Report]
>>96677273
>The bug bad reads as a man trying to preserve his people and bring about peace instead of letting them be slaughtered in a war against a seething bunch of ubersmench tyrants and their brainwashed and tricked cannon fod- sorry, 'allies'.
Nah, even in trying to insult him, you're ironically giving Paolini too much credit. An author fucking up and accidentally making the villain more sympathetic than the heroes is a more interesting failure than Paolini just making him fucking boring. Galbatorix is, at best, portrayed as dispassionate about the wellbeing of his people. He keeps evil shits like Durza around and compels Murtagh to torture people just to fuck with him.
The failure you're describing is more like the problems with Dragon Prince. Now that's a show where the authors fucked up and constantly had to fight against their own nuance. What you're projecting into Eragon fits Dragon Prince much better.
Anonymous No.96678146 [Report] >>96680451 >>96695329
>>96675352
It screams 'unpublished'
Anonymous No.96680451 [Report] >>96683185
>>96678146
Not everyone's parents are rich publishers.
Anonymous No.96680548 [Report] >>96680578
>>96652010 (OP)
- Symbaroum instead of Scandinavia
- The Empire (Warhammer FB) instead of Germany
- Dragon Age kingdoms instead of Britain and France

Don't know what to take instead of Italy/Spain. I like South vibes of the Southern kingdom in Dishonored 2, but I don't want anything steam-punkish.
Anonymous No.96680578 [Report]
>>96680548
>The Empire (Warhammer FB) instead of Germany
But with technology level more towards the beginning of the 1300s in the Holy Roman Empire of German nation.
Anonymous No.96680980 [Report]
>>96655963
Wooohooo, fellow Arknights campaign enjoyer spotted
Anonymous No.96681041 [Report] >>96681309
>>96652010 (OP)
boggles my mind years later how this even got popular
Anonymous No.96681309 [Report]
>>96681041
As mentioned earlier in the thread, it got heavily shilled to kids, who either wouldn't realize how much it's ripping off or wouldn't even care because "Lord of the Star Wars Rings with dragons? Cool!". Also, for what it's worth, the prose may be purple but it's not too difficult to follow, which makes it seem cool to kids.
Anonymous No.96681325 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
Loosely based on Nethack, Etrian Odyssey, Megaten, and Made in Abyss
Brought in a couple Homestuck character expies as NPCs
Anonymous No.96682457 [Report] >>96699611
>>96658674
>>96674637
Purple prose aside the book's full of shit like:

>The Urgals shrank back, motionless.
and
>Sorry, Brom apologized.
Anonymous No.96683185 [Report] >>96685695 >>96686265
>>96680451
Nor can everyone actually write (even if they delude themselves into thinking otherwise). I've got a feeling some unpublished untalented "writers" got upset that an average writer got re-published by a larger publishing house, and will never be able to let that go.
Anonymous No.96684503 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
My setting started as just running pic related, and then kinda evolved from there.
Keep in mind I have a boner for the 90s Spellbinder and also played a shitload of Tomb Raider when it was still published by Eidos and most definitely masturbated to Tia Carrere during her Relic Hunter times.
So - very.
And my (older) players know it.
The joke is that because my reference base is so dated, zoomers are under the impression this is all original shit.
Anonymous No.96685695 [Report]
>>96683185
>average writer

Read the excerpts ITT, he is abysmal and you know it.
Anonymous No.96686265 [Report] >>96686898 >>96686908
>>96683185
Nigger, it's 2010+15.
Every asshat that wants to be published goes to nearby vanity press publisher and gets a book deal. Anyone who can't scrap the two monthly wages to make that happen instead self-publishes and self-promote (which you need to do with vanity press anyway).
So all in all - you're fucking retarded and completely behind the loop on how things are for potentially most of your pathetic life.
Anonymous No.96686898 [Report]
>>96686265
Seems I struck the truth. Good luck with that.
Anonymous No.96686908 [Report]
>>96686265
Amazon's made it even easier.
Anonymous No.96686930 [Report] >>96686969
>>96652010 (OP)
Is there a Narnia setting? Just asking. Unrelated, but didn't want to make a new thread.
Anonymous No.96686969 [Report] >>96687000
>>96686930
Uh yes Narnia is a setting.
Anonymous No.96687000 [Report] >>96687671
>>96686969
What about England that leads into Narnia, is that a setting? Or all the other worlds from the pools?
Anonymous No.96687671 [Report] >>96689264
>>96687000
England is a irl city
Anonymous No.96689264 [Report]
>>96687671
No that's Britain.
Anonymous No.96689387 [Report]
>>96677037
>Tolkien HAD an actual reason (Sauron was scared, he'd already been beaten by just the Numenoreans before)
Not to mention that it simply wasn't in his nature. Sauron wasn't a fighter, he was an organizer and manipulator. Historically, whenever Sauron personally got into a fight he would lose.
Anonymous No.96689408 [Report] >>96689423 >>96689426 >>96689453 >>96689562 >>96695329
In hindsight, I think the most interesting part of the series is the relationship between the MC and his daughter-sister dragon. The whole telepathic bonding thing between a rider and their dragon is kinda neat, and I wonder where Paulini ripped it off from.
Anonymous No.96689423 [Report]
>>96689408
>The whole telepathic bonding thing between a rider and their dragon is kinda neat, and I wonder where Paulini ripped it off from.
DnD has magic telepathic bonds between arcane casters and familiars. There's probably instances of this idea throughout literature, as the idea of a rider bonding magically with a horse or other kind of mount enough to share thoughts directly is very mundane
Anonymous No.96689426 [Report] >>96689439 >>96689490
>>96689408
It is but in execution she barely even feels like a character half the time, I remember too that in the later books there were entire chapters where she's practically MIA despite the mental link and supposed importance
Anonymous No.96689439 [Report] >>96689476 >>96689490
>>96689426
Yeah, you'd expect the fact that Eragon literally raised her from a baby would have a greater impact on their relationship, but it never actually matters outside of the earliest chapters.
Anonymous No.96689453 [Report]
>>96689408
>and I wonder where Paulini ripped it off from

Dragonriders of Pern
Anonymous No.96689456 [Report] >>96689461
I just want to remind you all that transformation and shapeshifting magic exists, and there is theoretically no reason a rider's dragon couldn't be transformed into a humanoid form and back. Do with this information as you will.
Anonymous No.96689461 [Report] >>96689467
>>96689456
>transformed into a humanoid form
You do get the fact she's a dragon is what's sexy, right?
Human women exist
You can find them at the grocery store
This isn't news
Anonymous No.96689467 [Report]
>>96689461
Human women aren't real, and thank god for that.
Anonymous No.96689476 [Report]
>>96689439
It really is a gigantic missed opportunity to not have her learning and discovering the world throughout the story and using that to bounce with other characters or do unexpected things that would make for interesting story bits.
Hell thinking about it she barely even does that many things that are considered traditionally dragonlike like grubbing valuables
Anonymous No.96689490 [Report] >>96689518 >>96689544 >>96693949
>>96689426
>>96689439
She's doesn't require characterisation anymore than Luke Skywalker's X-Wing does. She only exists to make him cooler and to get him around. Paolini's entire universe revolves around his Mary Sue self-insert and the other characters only exist in relationship to him: Eragon's dragon, Eragon's love interest, Eragon's mentor, Eragon's rival, etc. etc. Take Eragon away and the dragon and everyone else have no substance at all.
Anonymous No.96689518 [Report]
>>96689490
I know, I was more or less implying that already by calling her barely a character
Anonymous No.96689544 [Report] >>96689590
>>96689490
Besides it's doesn't make for a very interesting thread to just say that over and over again
Anonymous No.96689562 [Report] >>96689569 >>96689572
>>96689408
>I wonder where Paulini ripped it off from.
I'd say thats a tough one to nail down cause 'telepathic bond between symbiotic relationship' is fairly common in fiction.
I mean, Jeremy Thatcher Dragon Hatcher had a friggin telepathic bond with his dragon and that was a (admittedly good) basic kids novel.
Anonymous No.96689569 [Report] >>96689585
>>96689562
It's Dragonriders of Pern.
Anonymous No.96689572 [Report] >>96689585
>>96689562
>Jeremy Thatcher Dragon Hatcher had a friggin telepathic bond with his dragon and that was a (admittedly good) basic kids novel
Three guesses what he favorite book was growing up
Anonymous No.96689585 [Report]
>>96689572
Surprised he openly admitted it considering.

>>96689569
There's more than one book with dragons in it.
Anonymous No.96689590 [Report] >>96689598
>>96689544
You probably didn't pick this up but it's actually not a very well written novel.
Anonymous No.96689598 [Report]
>>96689590
Really now? I had no idea at all, thank you for enlightening me with the gift of this information I never could have come across internally or externally before now!
Anonymous No.96690199 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
Everything is derivative, so "how derivative" can be pretty hard to even conceptualize, let alone pin down.
Anonymous No.96691247 [Report] >>96691952
>>96652010 (OP)
How derivative is too derivative? Especially if you want to publish it eventually.
Anonymous No.96691567 [Report]
>>96654286
>The Name of the Wind
I read it and thought it was shit...
I stopped reading Sword of Truth during the second book because it was kind of annoying. The first book had its own problems.
The Demon Cycle was fun but the worldbuilding is awful and the author timeskips the most interesting part of the story.

I should get back into reading novels but maybe I'm too critical
Anonymous No.96691952 [Report] >>96693798
>>96691247
I think you're largely safe as long as you're not deliberately lifting names for important characters and locations or consciously lifting story elements whole cloth.
Anonymous No.96692493 [Report]
>>96657603
So the humans in your setting are just a resource and god doesn't exist and you constantly drone on about how consciousness is an evolutionary dead end?
Anonymous No.96693798 [Report] >>96694406
>>96691952
Like Paolini did?
Anonymous No.96693949 [Report]
>>96689490
I kind of liked his cousin, for a book or two he was basically doing his own thing seperate from Eragon and it felt like the stuff he did had more stakes.
Anonymous No.96694035 [Report] >>96695329
>>96669455
>over 150 autistic rants for over the series trying to "correct" the writing of a teenager
holy autism, what mental illness possesses
someone to-
> look through posts on >>96669678
oh of course it's them. It's always them.
Anonymous No.96694406 [Report] >>96694413
>>96693798
Yes, Eragon would be an example of doing it wrong. Although I think he could've gotten away with it if he just did another pass on the names and made a few more simple twists on the formula. Like maybe having Eragon living with Brom from the outset and replacing Arya with some bro elf (making some other character the love interest, obviously).
Anonymous No.96694413 [Report] >>96703330
>>96694406
he'd make Saphira the love interest if he wasn't a coward
Anonymous No.96694618 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
What are some great settings to use for inspiration besides picrel?
Anonymous No.96695329 [Report] >>96695440 >>96695905 >>96697464
>>96689408
There's also that Paolini grew up as the sheltered and home schooled, nerdy kid of rich parents. The idea of having a telepathic best friend that's always with you and super powerful might have been attractive to him. It apparently was to many of his young readers.

I think Paolini is a bit of a tragic figure actually. He grew up isolated and then at 19 was paraded around the media as a supposed prodigy where everyone heaped praise on him. I don't even think he means it with arrogance when he says of himself that he's as good as "Tolkien at his best". That's just what he's told, and he is too clueless to realize this could be a controversial statement.

>>96675352
>>96678146
Yes, it's seething jealousy. The first Epistle >>96669455 spells it out pretty clearly, even if he denies it. That epistler guy is still around btw and hating on Paolini more than 20 years after the release of Eragon.

>>96694035
Yeah, it's tranny central over there. I had the flu this past week and spent my time lying in bed browsing on there for a bit. Paolini seems pretty cringe desu, but those guys are retards too.
Anonymous No.96695440 [Report] >>96698300
>>96695329
Eh, I can't find it in me to pity him. Just because his upbringing didn't inspire humility in him doesn't really absolve him of anything and I doubt he loses much sleep over people trashing his writing.
Anonymous No.96695579 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
The kingdom I am making is some OC bullshit, and seeing that there is both small amounts of steampunk and high fantasy mix, the closest thing I can compare it to is the game "Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura".
Anonymous No.96695905 [Report] >>96698182 >>96702638
>>96695329
>Yes, it's seething jealousy.

Jealousy of the unearned wealth and privilege that made him a best seller in spite of how awful his books are, yes. Imagine the renown young authors with actual talent could achieve if they had wealthy parents to publish and promote their writing.

Paolini neither earned nor deserved any of his success. He was not 15 when he wrote Eragon and even if he had been he still wouldn't be a "prodigy" because Eragon is derivative to the point of plagiarism and EVEN IF IT WEREN'T his prose is by far the worst I have ever seen published. His parents obviously did not even attempt to edit for him. No one did. Why wouldn't young writers be jealous of that? You know how much shit writers are put through by their editors?
Anonymous No.96697464 [Report] >>96698173
>>96695329
>Yes, it's seething jealousy
Uh, acktually it's envy.
Anonymous No.96698023 [Report] >>96698237
>>96669099
I mean, again, it's mostly just The Dark Eye. But the scenarios I come up with for my sessions often lean heavily on the characters and plothooks from the media I mentioned. For example, my current campaign is about a handsome leader of a gang of bandits trying to weasel his way into nobility. Which is, if we're being reductive, just pre-Golden Age Griffith being the leader of the Old Camp from Gothic 1.
Anonymous No.96698173 [Report]
>>96697464
Ah, you fell for one of the many myths designed to trick pseuds.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/jealous-vs-envious
Anonymous No.96698182 [Report] >>96702638
>>96695905
>You know how much shit writers are put through by their editors?
Do you? It sounds like you've never been published and are just ranting because your shit work isn't accepted as much as a completely average work has been.
Anonymous No.96698237 [Report] >>96698260
>>96698023
Is there any sort of Gothic tabletop RPG? many videogames have their tabletop counterparts.
Anonymous No.96698248 [Report] >>96698300 >>96698497
>>96652420
>*Ardwen - Arwen
>*Isenstar - Isengard
>*Mithrim - Mithrim or mithril
>*Angrenost - Angrenost
>*Morgothal - Morgoth
>*Elessari - Elessar
>*Furnost - Fornost
>*Hadarac - Harad
>*Melian - Melian
>*Vanilor - Valinor
>*Eridor - Eriador
>*Imiladris - Imladris
>*Undin - Fundin/Udun
>*Gil'ead - Gil'Galad
>*Ceranthor - Caranthir
>*Isidar - Isildir
>*Oromis - Orome
>*Eragon - Aragorn
>>96652567
>Or, like, the entire magic system being a page one rip from Tales of Earthsea, just with all the actual mysticism and wonder stripped out of it
>>96653557
I could have been more original than that at 16. Maybe not a better writer, but definitely more original
Anonymous No.96698260 [Report]
>>96698237
Not that I know of. Gothic is a huge cult classic in Germany, but they never really tried to turn it into a merchandizable franchise. Plus, The Dark Eye is so large in Germany that every German who tries to get into tabletop will just go with that instead.

Turns out, from a quick google search, there is "Gothic: A Shadow's Quest".
https://gamefound.com/de/projects/thq-nordic/gothic-a-shadows-quest#/section/what-is-gothic-77144
Didn't know this is a thing, it was announced only a year ago or so.
Anonymous No.96698300 [Report] >>96698351 >>96698497 >>96701468
>>96695440
Fair.

>>96652420
>>96698248
And those are just (some of) the names he took from Lotr. There's many more too. Like how the king of the Dwarves is named Hrothgar, just like the king from Beowulf. And I'm pretty sure the elven capital Ellesmera is named after Ellesmere Island. He also has a lake in the southeast of the Empire called Tüdosten (one letter change from german Südosten: southeast). Etc. etc.
Anonymous No.96698351 [Report] >>96698548 >>96701468
>>96698300
>He also has a lake in the southeast of the Empire called Tüdosten (one letter change from german Südosten: southeast)
In fairness to that one in particular, there's a bunch of place names in the real world like that where the name is very mundane when you actually look up the original meaning.
Anonymous No.96698497 [Report] >>96701468
>>96698248
>>96698300
Let's not forget Tolkien also took many names from mythology and real places. Gandalf isn't his, Bag End was the name of his aunt's farm, almost all the dwarves in the Hobbit are from Norse myth (except Balin, which I think he took from a poem), Beorn was just Beowulf tweaked, he even took a lot of plots and points from other sources.

However, that's not to diminish his work or achievements. Taking names or even blatant inspiration is perfectly fine, the difference is how you implement it, and the gulf between Tolkien's application of it and Paolini's... half-assing of it is cosmic.
Anonymous No.96698548 [Report]
>>96698351
A place name having a mundane meaning isn't the same as trying to hide the mundane meaning by turning it into a gibberish anagram.
Anonymous No.96698727 [Report] >>96698876 >>96702638
@96698182
>Do you?

Yeah, actually. Peer review and all. Nice try though faggot.

>completely average

That's the second time you've called Paolini "average". Fuck off, we've all read the excerpts of his purple prose ITT.
Anonymous No.96698876 [Report] >>96702638
>>96698727
>he thinks novels get peer reviewed
So no, then.
Anonymous No.96698913 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
It is an almost 1:1 ripoff of a niche untranslated 80's manga. Nobody has noticed thus far.
Anonymous No.96699611 [Report] >>96699715 >>96711771
>>96658674
>>96658719
>>96658730
>>96660939
>>96682457
Yeah, I'm not defending Eragon as a paragon of writing, but let me show you how little I trust 4chan's opinion and their ability to be objective on anything.
Anonymous No.96699715 [Report] >>96700488 >>96700996 >>96701698
>>96699611
I think this just reveals that a lot of what is considered "good" is actually shit that just happened to be seen or was done first. If you tried getting published now writing like that, you'd be told to take a writing class.

Take, for example, JK Rowling. After Harry Potter made her famous, she started writing different books under a pseudonym, and was rejected by all the publishing houses she approached. One even told her to take a writing class. Then, "magically", her secret was leaked, her true identity revealed. ALL of those publishing houses rushed to accept her work, despite ALL (rightfully) thinking it was shit. Those Robert Galbraith books now sell ridiculously well, but they suck ass. They sell purely because of Rowling's previous success.

Same with Stephen King. He's hailed as probably the greatest horror writer of all time. Problem is that he's really bad at writing. He can write quickly, chucking out some half-assed book every few months, but it's always something that reads slow, tedious, and stilted. Take his concepts and give them to someone more talented, and they tend to make for good films, because people correct all of his mistakes, and yet Stephen King is still world famous and is always selling books. He got through on persistance, writing TONS of books whilst high and drunk, and hoping something would stick, and it did. Now, go to any bookshop, and see his book covers with half of it covered by his name, and the title of the book much smaller below it. Again, his name sells it.

Or look at the current meme favourite of Blood Meridian. A terrible book, really badly written, it rambles, it's tacky, it's full of exposition, etc. The only reason it's become popular now is because someone started memeing that the big fat white bald man in it is evil. And yet every "writer" in a course now gets the mantra driven into them of "show don't tell". Because that's the popular gimmick now, and the gate-keepers believe it.
Anonymous No.96699756 [Report] >>96700292
>>96670806
I think the problem here that you're having is that you're not understanding the difference of how people look at things vs the semantics of things.

When they are looking at your interesting rock people and saying "These are just dwarves," the problem ISN'T that you actually secretly drew short bearded people who mine and are greedy and sometimes house white women while they wait for a prince. The problem is that you made a set of "rock" people, "forest" people, and "plains" people.

As a video gamer, I've dealt with this shit for years, especially when it came to shit like Nintendo games like Zelda or Mario. People aren't really paying attention to the fact that the dungeons of each Zelda game vary wildly, are unique, and offer an experience you would be hard pressed to get anywhere else. They just look at it and see "rock" dungeon, "lava" dungeon, "forest" dungeon, and "ice" dungeon and go "It's all the same."

If you want to make something unique that will wow people, you gotta understand how they internally interpret it, and most people just kinda go based on color vibes. Trust me, you'll get people fucking AMAZED at you if you make a Perriwinkle race even if you literally just make ugly elves and steal everything else about them. People are retarded.
Anonymous No.96700189 [Report]
>>96658386
Get some help to quit, anon. It's not worth it. Y>>96658497
ou never catch the dragon.
Anonymous No.96700227 [Report] >>96700292
>>96664255
I'm sorry man. That kind of stuff hurts. I like the idea of crab neccies especially.
Anonymous No.96700239 [Report]
>>96665175
So a little derivative of arcanum.
Anonymous No.96700251 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
>How derivative is your setting?
Very.
Stole a lot from /tg/-threads too
Anonymous No.96700292 [Report]
>>96699756
>I think the problem here that you're having is that you're not understanding the difference of how people look at things vs the semantics of things.
No, I get it. I was trying to get across that the arguments made against me having any original ideas were all semantic and circular in nature based on an assumption (as you pointed out):
>The problem is that you made a set of "rock" people, "forest" people, and "plains" people.
>People are retarded
I agree, especially the ones who think that subversive writing is originality because everything truly original has already been written. The general personality type of the people I argued with.

>>96700227
Thank you. Feel free to steal the concept for your games. They make for good villains, even in generic fantasy.
Anonymous No.96700488 [Report]
>>96699715
People are going to say that's subjective, but I agree in principle. The 60s and 70s really messed up the literature scene in the same way art was wrecked. Being 'experimental' (intentionally transgressive both stylistically and morally) became prized over actual talent.

It inevitably led to an insane cult of 'novelty' which also meant that appreciating art or literature turned from a hobby or enjoyable pastime into a pretentious chore.

Theres a lot of good experimental stuff out there. Things that break the traditional mold but are better for that. However, the low brow snobs that make up the self appointed class of cultural tastemakers confused the process with the product. It turns out they have even less appreciation for what they claim to enjoy than the plebeians they thought they were above. Their 'taste' was always a costume. Now much of art and literature pander toward those hollow people that think their dalliance is appreciation.

It's disgusting and I hate them so much. I guarantee we all know people like those tastemakers and it's why theres an instinctive hatred for reddit. Same exact vibe.
Anonymous No.96700996 [Report]
>>96699715
yeah, King is more often a hack than a genius. And it weighs way closer to hack in general for him
Anonymous No.96701154 [Report] >>96701676 >>96702638
,@96698876
You asked if I was published not if I'd written a novel you moron.
Anonymous No.96701468 [Report] >>96701683
>>96698300
>>96698351
>>96698497
>However, that's not to diminish his work or achievements. Taking names or even blatant inspiration is perfectly fine, the difference is how you implement it, and the gulf between Tolkien's application of it and Paolini's... half-assing of it is cosmic.
Yeah theres a difference between taking 1 or 2 names and taking 10+.
Anonymous No.96701676 [Report] >>96702638
>>96701154
And you were talking about young writers publishing novels, you dishonest coward.
Anonymous No.96701683 [Report] >>96701900
>>96701468
Tolkien took 10+ just for the dwarves...
Anonymous No.96701696 [Report] >>96702071
I read these book when I was a kid and all I remember is that while Eragon was spending his time being a faggot in the woods and whining about how his elf-fu wouldn’t notice him, his brother was killing dudes while atop a mountain of corpses before leaving to go bang his wife.
Anonymous No.96701698 [Report] >>96702024
>>96699715
I don't think King has ever been praised for his prose. And the Potter books sold on being imaginative, whimsical kids' stories with adequate adventure plots. It's not surprising her prose isn't up to snuff. Also the publishers were right to reject her work and then right to accept it, because their criteria is what sells rather than what's good.
McCarthy I'm not sure about; I liked No Country for Old Men well enough, but The Road was abysmal. So I'm not really keen to read Blood Meridian. Plus he thinks he's too good for punctuation or something.
Anonymous No.96701900 [Report] >>96702277 >>96702638 >>96702638 >>96702649
@96701676
You didn't ask if I was a novelist you disingenuous rat, you asked what I knew about editing and I answered. Maybe if you were a better writer you'd phrase your questions more carefully. But not all of us can be published I guess.

>>96701683
Oh my God out of 998 named characters 10 have real world names. Astonishing. But did he ever steal made-up proper nouns like Paolini did?
Anonymous No.96702024 [Report]
>>96701698
King, Rowling, and McCarthy's prose isn't purple.
Anonymous No.96702071 [Report] >>96702277 >>96702763
>>96701696
Yeah, the training arc in the elf forest was pretty grating. Basically just the elves being perfect and smug and Eragon being sadge about being just a shitty human until they turn him into a half-elf. Felt like there was something building up about overcoming his weakness and his lingering injury from the shade, but no, the solution is to just stop being a human.
Anonymous No.96702093 [Report] >>96702203
>>96652577
>I avoid medieval stasis
Me too, I do enjoy pike and shot and renaissance era. Having magic as well is also kino.

>standard fantasy races (demi-humans)
Don't mind them at all, clash of new and old methods makes for interesting setting. Elves have to adapt or be left behind in march of progress. Dwarf millennia of traditions vs new innovations between clans and holds.
Anonymous No.96702203 [Report]
>>96702093
People underestimate how much late medieval and early modern can blend together, especially when you're not on proper battlefields. Matchlocks really just aren't a handy or practical weapon in most circumstances.
Anonymous No.96702277 [Report] >>96702496
>>96701900
nta your feuding with, but the context clearly was about beeing published in the realm of non-fiction creative writing. I have published a scientific paper under my name and was a reviewer for that journal for a few years, but I wouldn't call myself "beeing published" and wouldn't have answered as such to anon. These are two very different things after all.

>>96702071
Eragon living with the elves was just a thinly veiled exercise in converting the author's self-insert to the same changes Paolini had made himself at the time (veganism and atheism). Eragon goes back on this later and straight up meets a real god, after Paolini left his own angry atheist phase.
Anonymous No.96702496 [Report] >>96702681
>>96702277
He was asking if I knew about editing, faggot. The context was editing. If you've been published you've dealt with the editorial process.
Anonymous No.96702638 [Report]
>>96701900
You're such a coward, you won't even properly reply because people will see how you fucked up. But here you go, here's your embarrassing failure.
>>96695905
>>96698182
>>96698727
>>96698876
>>96701154
>>96701676
>>96701900
Get fucked, unpublished loser.
Anonymous No.96702649 [Report]
>>96701900
>Tolkien took some made-up names for his characters
>"But did he ever steal made-up proper nouns like Paolini did?"
Yep, confirmed for unpublished.
Anonymous No.96702681 [Report] >>96702803
>>96702496
>He was asking if I knew about editing, faggot.
No he wasnt but youre clearly upset
Anonymous No.96702763 [Report] >>96702906
>>96702071
I genuinely couldn't tell you what happens between him being in the forest, and him raiding the bad guy's castle, but I feel like there's a whole book in there.
Anonymous No.96702803 [Report] >>96706063
>>96702681
>You know how much shit writers are put through by their editors?
>Do you?

What part of this exchange is about novels, exactly? Editing is explicitly the topic at hand here.

@96702638
>no rebuttal

I accept your concession. Work on your writing.
Anonymous No.96702816 [Report] >>96706069
@96702649
Tolkien took real world names, as I said. Try again.
Anonymous No.96702906 [Report] >>96703895
>>96702763
Best I can remember is that he gets his lightsaber taken by Murtagh and fucks around for half a book breaking weak human weapons with his super elf strength before going and getting a new lightsaber. He kills another shade and that makes Arya wet. Then I think it's just him picking up the dragon hearts from the secret vault so that he has enough plot armor for the final battle.
Anonymous No.96703330 [Report] >>96703351
>>96694413
sorry but not everyone has neurons as fried as yours
Anonymous No.96703351 [Report]
>>96703330
When plan A is latch onto the first elf he sees and simp for her so hard he becomes an elf, I think he's already cooked. It's a question of seasoning.
Anonymous No.96703895 [Report] >>96704086
>>96702906
>He kills another shade and that makes Arya wet.
Does he actually bang her? I never read the last two books.
Anonymous No.96704086 [Report] >>96704895
>>96703895
As far as I recall, no. Eragon leaves the mainland because reasons while Arya sticks around to become the new elf queen. Their dragons boned though, which they could sense going on. Turns out Saphira was really into dragon /ss/.
Anonymous No.96704795 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
Extremely or not at all depending on my mood that day.
Anonymous No.96704895 [Report]
>>96704086
You're kidding. All those years and all that effort and he couldn't do something as simple as the MC getting the girl. What was even the point.

Honestly the books were shit but Arya was like, my first waifu when I was 11 or so. How sad.
Anonymous No.96704955 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
Pretty derivative. But I see it as more as send ups to certain other franchises rather living wholely in any of them.
Anonymous No.96705049 [Report] >>96705917
Eragon was good.
>but-
Shut the fuck up and dilate troon. It was fun slop to read as a child. I also enjoyed many other books which held up better but as a kid it was plenty enjoyable and I still wouldn't call it bad today.
Anonymous No.96705059 [Report]
>>96652870
>mlp
>hearts of iron 4
Fellow Equestria at War chad?
Anonymous No.96705178 [Report]
it's set in the real world
Anonymous No.96705917 [Report]
>>96705049
Even as a kid, I felt like the second book was being hard carried by Roran and the third and fourth books were just shit
Anonymous No.96706063 [Report]
>>96702803
Here's the context of your post, you dishonest coward cunt.
>Paolini neither earned nor deserved any of his success. He was not 15 when he wrote Eragon and even if he had been he still wouldn't be a "prodigy" because Eragon is derivative to the point of plagiarism and EVEN IF IT WEREN'T his prose is by far the worst I have ever seen published. His parents obviously did not even attempt to edit for him. No one did. Why wouldn't young writers be jealous of that? You know how much shit writers are put through by their editors?
See how it's about novels? Yeah, that's how I know you're an unpublished loser.
Anonymous No.96706069 [Report]
>>96702816
Tolkien took made-up names. Paolini took made-up names. Are you one of those retards who think mythology actually happened?
Anonymous No.96711352 [Report]
>>96674637
>Under normal circumstances, he would have considered his deed the height of folly, but in that fey, madcap night, it seemed perfectly sane.

I want to throw up
Anonymous No.96711481 [Report]
You faggots remember the books more than I do. All I really recall is that the first book is Star Wars, he gets turned into an elf and wants to fuck his own reflection, and he doesn't fuck his dragon.

That being said, I enjoyed them when I was 10.
Anonymous No.96711771 [Report]
>>96699611
>succesful writer = good writer
do I need to pull up the 50 shades lightbulb in her vag passage? Anyway that segment he posted is genuinely shit, I don't care that some sad irishman wrote that
Anonymous No.96711782 [Report]
Going too far to be "original" is lame and gay and overdone.
Anonymous No.96711814 [Report] >>96720178 >>96721423
Talking about fantasy books from our childhood, how does the Belgariad hold up? I remember disliking the ending, and I'm 80% sure it gave me a weakness for petite redheads but that's about all.
Anonymous No.96715956 [Report] >>96718350
A lot is based on medieval history
Anonymous No.96718350 [Report]
>>96715956
Indeed
Anonymous No.96718532 [Report] >>96719545
>>96652010 (OP)
Pretty derivative, my dude.
But of particular, obscure, and diversified things.
Mythology, the anthropology of religion and magic, history, historical and contemporary fiction, and the games I have played and enjoyed in the past.

I think very few of us have our own pocket talislanta.
And well, even Talislanta's "Not Elves" are basically when you get down to brass tacks, just funny coloured elves that are called something else.
Anonymous No.96719536 [Report] >>96722365
>>96671290
>I had replaced space with a sea of white clouds for some whatever bullshit cosmic reason so the sky was white and there was no sun or stars and heat came from the ground.
>But I realized a world without sun was way too weird for humans
not if that's all humans know? if they had lived in that world and didn't know the sun and stars didn't exist, it wouldn't be weird for them?
Anonymous No.96719545 [Report] >>96730757
>>96718532
Sorry I don't know every setting, how unique is Talislanta?
Anonymous No.96720178 [Report]
>>96711814
See I figured my penchant for fiery redheads came from being made to watch Evangelion as a kid but now that you mention it I would've been reading the Belgariad at about the same time.
Anonymous No.96721423 [Report]
>>96711814
The endless camping trip books hold up as well as ever. It's like hptdogs. You can be presented with the option of any amount of far better foods but sometimes you just crave a hotdog.
Anonymous No.96721743 [Report]
>>96652065
5E game detected
Anonymous No.96722365 [Report]
>>96719536
Yeah but it's weird for the players. You imagine simple scenes like walking in the grass with the sun but it's not there. It didn't feel right.
Anonymous No.96722666 [Report] >>96725923
>>96652862
The magic Warfare system of wizards casting Mass Aneuriysm while trying to stop Mass Aneurysm was funny.
Anonymous No.96725923 [Report]
>>96722666
It's funny on a conceptual level, but it makes for really shitty wizard battles in practice. He kinda wrote himself into a corner by trying to be clever with the flexibility and scaling of magic system. Clearly he was enamored by the idea of cheating the cost:effect ratio by doing ultra precise, minuscule spells, so he made increased precision actually take less energy. But then that's obviously a huge can of worms, so he had to retcon in wards to explain why you can't just Power Word Stroke all your enemies. But then wards just dragged the whole damn system down because they were too powerful and you can't have a straight up magic battle anymore because everyone's warded up. So instead it just becomes formless psychic battles of seeing who can break their opponent's mental defenses first and read their mind for a gap in their wards.
You know, I can't even remember times this plays out except the one time when Roran's team wizard and an enemy wizard simultaneously break each other's minds and instakill each other in different ways. I don't recall Eragon ever really doing it seriously. I can faintly remember a notion that dragonriders sorta cheat the system because they can work with their dragon to psychically double team normal magicians and wreck them, but I could be imagining that.
There's also the issue that casting Flesh to Nuke is trivial, but I suppose making magic suicide bombers a major plot point might've been a bit dicey for a YA book in the 00s.
Anonymous No.96726026 [Report]
>>96658386
Vloktburz?
Anonymous No.96729088 [Report]
>>96654237
I remember my mom and my friends' moms all pushing the books on us because he was a child author. Then we watched LotR and then read the books and went form liking Eragon to disliking it.
Anonymous No.96729595 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
Fuck off with those slutty bedroom eyes, draggot
Anonymous No.96730757 [Report]
>>96719545
No stock races at all, not even humans.
However, it almost serves to highlight the truism that the more things change, the more they stay the same; functionally a lot of the races are just pointy-eared not-elves with weird skin patterns, and occasional obligate baldness or other star-trek alien features.

Really, traditional fantasy elements are not the problem with fantasy; I don't even think traditional storytelling beats are.

It's all in the execution.
Anonymous No.96732562 [Report] >>96735184
>>96652567
Or how the whole first book is literally a new hope
Anonymous No.96732581 [Report] >>96733308
>>96669400
>He wasn't even evil
Cmon now, the guy employs nazgul equivalents who have their own murder tower and they eat people and he uses said nazgul equivalents to terrorize the general population.
Anonymous No.96733308 [Report]
>>96732581
The razac were victims of a brutal genocide perpetrated by the dragonriders. The emperor was simply being empathetic, knowing well just how cruel and dogmatic the riders could be, so he took those poor few survivors into his confidence, providing them with a means to sustain themselves that would be productive to society by hunting down dangerous terrorists.
Anonymous No.96735184 [Report] >>96735222
>>96652567
>>96732562
or how the second book is Empire Strikes Back
or how the fourth book is Return of the Jedi
Anonymous No.96735208 [Report]
I purposely make it derivative. Mainly based on ES Oblivion and Gangster films like Goodfellas for the criminal underworld. I also include medieval GOT type politics and stuff.
Anonymous No.96735222 [Report]
>>96735184
And the third book is a bunch of wheel spinning that demonstrates why Lucas had a time skip between ESB and RotJ.
Anonymous No.96741516 [Report]
very
Anonymous No.96743507 [Report]
>>96652567
>>96652613
The elf song puppet smithing will never not be kino.
The rest I struggle to remember. Besides:
>saphira!
My only other memory is of my own visualization of the fight by a bonfire in the middle of the road(?) in an early book reading like a post apocalyptic bad trip (but also sword and sorcery jedi)
Anonymous No.96747540 [Report]
>>96652010 (OP)
Very, but that's the whole fucking point - it was originally made for a competition about overloading setting with pop-culture references. There is an archipelago dedicated just to Kurt Russell's roles and flicks.