Thread 96681625

I think Trazyn's irreverent, Deadpool-esque personality works perfectly in the context of what he is. People hate him for being immersion-breaking and fucking up the tone of the setting, but given that as one of the few high-level Necrons who's still more or less in complete possession of all his faculties, he's so powerful he can actually afford not to take things seriously. Him and the Orks both work as comic relief from different angles. The orks because they're so absurdly violent that they're perfectly adapted to a hostile universe, Trazyn because he's so absurdly powerful that the universe is profoundly inadequate to him.

>>96681625 (OP)
>Unpopular 40k opinion
I feel like whats unpopular here is the standard popular opinion everywhere else and vice versa with opinions popular here.
HH should have stayed myth is unpopular outside of /tg/

The Imperium no longer has the capacity to wipe out the Tau even if they put serious effort into it. As far back as Damocles the Imperium committed 5 companies of Space Marines and multiple Titan Legions, against a Tau Empire that at the time consisted of like...20 planets. And they failed to take a single major sept, only taking two minor outposts with populations in the low thousands. Space Marines and Titans are incredibly rare and only thrown into the most important of conflicts so that alone shows that this was not a minor skirmish but a major effort for the Imperium. And since then the Tau have gained new technology, their population has expanded massively, and they've expanded to have hundreds of planets, possibly thousands.

If the Imperium had to dedicate rare and irreplaceable resources to eradicating the Tau when they only had a couple dozen planets, they're certainly in no position to wipe them out now that the Great Rift has split them in half, and the Tau have gotten exponentially more powerful.

Now the Necrons on the other hand...

But to be fair the Necrons could wipe out ANY faction, they only don't because they'd prefer to have living organisms around for bio-transferance.

>>96683091
>But to be fair the Necrons could wipe out ANY faction
Honestly, I am a huge Necronboo, but sometimes they are written a bit too powerful
Because now, with the way they are written, the only reason they haven't won yet, is the literal plot armour of the Imperium
And I feel that makes the Crons a bit too strong, no other faction could really stand against them at the moment

>>96681625 (OP)
>>96683091
These kind of braindead newfags with these retarded takes are the cancer killing the setting, and if they stuck to capeshit and adventure time 40k would be in a much better place
Its these fuckwits that GW is targeting their releases towards, and these double digit IQ hylics that are loving the nu-lore ADB is squirting out his prolapsed anus
Necrons should have never been reworked for the reddit epic science bacon audience
Tau needed the brainwashing/propaganda aspects of their society to be more overt and blatant so retarded fucks like >>96683091 that probably cant even fucking spell subtext don't miss the entire fucking point of the faction
The level of discussion of 40k on /tg/ is as bad, if not worse, than you find on reddit and 4chan should have stayed dead because we actually had decent discussions on the otherchans you dumb fucks were too retarded to find

>>96683134
I'd say go back to 4th ed or whatever, but we all know you weren't alive back then.

>>96683137
I'm not about to post my id here, but here's the first codex I bought back in the day
Can you post anything from before 9th, or just ifunny gifs of sigmarines?

>>96683153
>he posts a book I could buy on Ebay for $30

>>96683156
>xhe posts a reddit marco because xhe is a secondary that owns no models or books

>>96683165

I cum in faggots like you as recreation.

>>96683187
have fun painting that trim faggot

>>96683202
I'll think of you and your crusty book while I do it, anon. Wish me luck, I'm playing For Honor right now. :)

>>96683128
That was literally always true of the Necrons and Newcrons are a gigantic nerf to the version of the race that had finished science, was entirely immune to Chaos in all ways, and couldn't even be harmed by the dragon dildo bug race.

The Cain books are more tonally and thematically in line with what 40k as a setting is about than the entire Horus Heresy series combined even if I personally think some of the HH books are better written prosewise and developmentwise
Anons who try to pretend the Imperium is in any way an efficient system with rulers interested in the greater survival of humanity instead of their own selfish gains and wealth hordes in Terra who just do all the bad things because "THERE IS NO OTHER WAYYYYY!!" are part of the capeshit fags who have been fucking up this setting. 40k was always about everyone being an irredeemable dipshit in different sides of the spectrum with different ways to be an asshole from Chaos to the T'au, with some characters being an exception. Goodguyhammer is the most horrid discussion and one this board has on a daily basis because they try to project their personal beliefs on a fictional setting where the writers set off to make everyone as bad as reasonably possible. It's not even a fringe 4chan opinion but the main take secondaries have from the IP
People who paint with official schemes instead of /theirdudes/ are spiritually inferior to people with their own little lore they made up in their heads but wonr share with anyone alongside their cutesy little personal color scheme that might reflect some of that
Chaos needs more characters who are outrigt evil power seeking asshole instead of the "Im just using them for my own personal gain oh my Lord im a goddamn genius!!!" trope. Sure they can be a product of their enviroment as most chaos worshippers are but do give them just the most flawed fucked up obnoxious personality possible instead of some noblebright corrupt hero. Rants about how he's better than the filthy loyalists and how chaos is a gift are fine as long as he's doing lines of space coke while calling his opponents slaves to the corpse god

>>96683128
I think it's alright since their goals do not really intersect much with most other species. Even Tyranids. As long as you do not poke them they are mostly content to do their crazy routines or obsess over finding a way to create new souls for themselves.
The fact that Necrons don't really care about wiping other species and did put a weapon ban on the worst stuff post War in Heaven really helps to sell them as a "moderate" faction in 40k. The fact that crazy, immortal, obsessed robots are the most reasonable guys in the setting kinda tells you everything need to know about it.

>>96681625 (OP)
>Unpopular 40k opinions

All sub factions and space marine chapters need squatting so the rules can heal

>>96681625 (OP)
I think Trazyn would be a better character if he was taken more seriously by the setting and the community as a whole. TIATD, the most flanderized book in the whole setting, is not just a wacky series of comical mishaps between 2 old man but also a great example of the necron's plight with their biotransference. They lost all ability to recognise things such as culture, history, the intricacies of language and art and so on because they lost their souls in the path of rationality and constant conquest (Orrikan) while still somewhat yearning for what they once had (Trazyn)
From the few glimpses we get of necrontyr culture it seems like they were a pretty artistically inclined society doing great advances in basically every single field of study and the arts in ways unprecedented because death, as tragic and certified as ir was, guaranteed a constant flow of minds and people in the grand scheme of things even if most of them are despotic dipshits. When they gave up on death and accepted stagnation in the name of being free from pain their cultured came to a screeching halt as they all became mindless slaves to higher wills built only to die and work in their endless wars. It's why the eldar, a incredibly emotional, psychic and creativly inclined race, were the perfect foil to the necrons. I really enjoyed seeing how Trazyn valued even the tiniest shows of culture and commerce in that book, really gives him the vibe of a actual historian while Orrikan scoffs and tells him to not care about such lowly creatures as they are destined to rise to even more emotionally pure light forms or whatever the fuck
I just wish they leaned more on Trazyn being somewhat of a tragic figure within his own empire as he drives himself mad trying to collect and keep cultures in a way his own kind never could
>>96683441
That's my biggest gripe with newcrons desu. It makes them feel out of scale and comical. They just need to fix 2 things in lore to really nerf this issue
(1/2)

>>96681625 (OP)
I like to ass Ciaphis Cain too.
Inadvertantly a hero due to his cowardice always leading him to more danger

>>96682685
>HH should have stayed myth is unpopular outside of /tg/

IRL at least in my circles that's common

>>96683532
(2/2)
>Necrons can't create new devices or machinery with the exception of a couple named crypteks
>Their technology is rotting away at a faster pace to unfixable standarts so most of what they had is long gone
Both of these things exist in lore but GW just never shows it properly. I remember that one necron dynasty that could blow up stars, Mephrit IIRC. They are mentioned a lot by secondaries even if they explicitly lack star exploding technology as most of it has been lost to time. The main issue is that even if the characters complain about the flesh change GW doesn't generally portray it as that bad of a thing. Give more necrons complete memory and personality loss over time, actual physical issues and more blatant neurosis. It really seems like they have no reason to return to flesh at all. Make returning to flesh less universal with it generally being a very vocal point of discourse and civil wars between their kind.
Also fuck the Silent King he should have been dismembered the moment he gave up those command protocols, imagine dooming your whole race like that but just believing you can go on a redemption arc. That's an unfixable issue though I just don't think TSK gets as much flack as he deserves for being the most contrived plotpoint in the main Necron narrative. Killing him off would actually add a lot to necrons in general because it would justify constant sucession wars between different dynasties which is one of the most necron things out there they love that shit.

>>96681625 (OP)
>ugh, the TONE of the setting
>but the SERIOUS DARK TONES
if any of you think you're in this setting because "it's dark and grim and serious" you're fucking kidding yourselves. you like it because it's superheroes in space wearing tanks and shooting rockets at each other.
you like it because it's space elves shooting alien dinosaur bugs, covered in spikes, with guns made of bone that shoot crystal ninja stars.

stop pretending this isn't just the manchild extravaganza, and just enjoy the dumb shoot bangs and goofy orks. you absolute fucking posers.

>>96683091
What is stopping Trazyn t add corpse-emperor into his collection?

>>96683091
>But to be fair the Necrons could wipe out ANY faction, they only don't because they'd prefer to have living organisms around for bio-transferance.
Lol, lorelet necronfags are the worst. The faction of walk over there and shoot them can't even deal with imperial artillery. A handfull of nobility in control of malfunctioning robots while do going insane from the flayer virus, trannycronitis, etc.

>>96683134
The grimdark element of the Tau was that they were a naive and optimistic race venturing out into a nightmarish galaxy they weren't prepared for. Every horrific setback they encountered, like meeting the dark eldar or daemons for the first time, was far more effective grimdark fiction than anything in Imperium or Chaos lore. The pessimistic shit with the Tau leadership being insidious behind the scenes was totally unnecessary and certainly not the "entire fucking point of the faction". You simply don't understand the power of taking something pure and inflicting misery upon it. Neither did Thorpe, or GW at large.

>>96683134
Nobody said anything about the Tau being morally good, retard. Only that they're too big of a problem for the Imperium to wipe out by themselves by now.

But since you mention it, nothing you do is ever going to make the Tau not feel like the good guy faction, because we measure things relative to other things. The Tau are western-style imperialists, that much is true...but so what? I'd much rather live in the west than live in North Korea. I can forgive western style imperialism and propaganda if it means I don't have to live in the Imperium where 35 is considered an unusually long life expectancy.

>>96685255
>Teleports to your artillery and kills the crew

>>96683565
The Severed Worlds, Dynasties, and Severed Empire are also a great threat to the crons that GW is to retarded to leverage.
As the eons pass the chances of each sleeping tomb getting fucked up in some fashion and either never waking or waking up severed grow towards absolute certainty. And in the case of the Empire they actively *sever more necrons* when ever they get the chance.

It all plays well into the self-destructive and self-sabotaging tendencies of the Necrons. They hold themselves back but not in a cute or contrived way. Much like the eldar it's in a poetic, 'cautionary tale' sort of way.

>>96683187
> Insults anon says you can buy that book on eBay
> His rebuttal is a kit literally still in production
????????????

>>96681625 (OP)
I'm starting my first space marine army but my warlord is a librarian with a necron head and it's actually trazyn and all the marines are brainwashed losers from his collection

>>96681625 (OP)
There are really people who hate Trazyn? People really take the fucking goofy setting for a plastic army man game seriously enough that they hate Trazyn?

>>96683719
No genuine interest, alongside it being a pain to secure intact.

>>96685372
>You simply don't understand the power of taking something pure and inflicting misery upon it. Neither did Thorpe, or GW at large.
Well, the idea of the Tau being "pure" is fundamentally illogical to begin with. They are a faction whose cultures emphasize power and the application of strength over the weak, much like humans. Thus, it's unrealistic to expect them to be a naive species that believes everyone in the universe is inherently good. The logistics involved in colonizing even a single planet can entail numerous complexities and machinations, making it unreasonable to view the Tau as naive, regardless of the relatively small number of planets they have colonized.

>>96686719
"Pure" relative to the other factions in the setting. They aren't cynical assholes that Imperium, Eldar, and Chaos are. Simply having an empire doesn't mean they aren't naive, either, as shown in their attempt to negotiate with Orks or trust Deldar.

>>96687350
The tau are more slimy than pure. Every single race that has subject themselves to their rule has been somwhat enslaved and ensnared into a treaty they can't get out of eternally subjecting them to the ethereals' wills. Think of modern diplomacy and politics and how countries subvert each other through treaties and deals that make them more dependant on a higher power bit by bit through subversion and influence until they can't get out of it. It's pretty safe to assume anything a water caste diplomat is saying at any point to an inferior race is either a outright lie or somewhat cleverly arranged half truth. That type of conversation implies the other side is actually willing to listen. They are naive in the sense they can't expect what's coming to them because when you send spies and students on a cultural exchange program too leech off another country's technological resources I really doubt them coming back as a folding fan is in your list of worries.
>Ok we shall grant them further industrial infraestructure with earth caste engineers in exchange for help in defeating the greenskins next door but little do they know this will destabilise their national market with our competition leading to their own economy becoming reliant on my products and technology over theirs. I will also promote my own culture subtly as a superior way of life to theirs sk they adopt the greater good and demand their ruling class does so too
>YOUR KIND SHALL NOT STEP FOOT ON THIS PLANET FOR YOUR VILE MACHINATIONS ARE TECH HERESY AND INSULT THE OMNISSIAH WE SHALL BANISH YOU BACK
What the fuck are you even supposed to do.
It's that early Better Call Saul shtick of someone lying or sneaking their way into a situation that gets increasingly worst for them as they dont expect the consequences for it while trying to come out as the smartass and suddenly having adapting to everything at a fast pace

>>96687446
In fact I wouls go as far as to claim the tau are probably adapting to the galaxy at large the more experience they have on it. They slowly grow more ferocious and are increasngly wary of auxilliaries.
Also to keep in line with this thread:
The Stormsurge is a controversial design but personally I love it because it shows physically how much the tau are changing. As something built to fight off titans and knights the eccentric fuck all needless weaponry permeating from every surface seems way more in line with the Imperium's way of war than the tau's heavily tank and hovercraft reliant style of early strategy seen in 3rd-5th edition. It's a design meant to reflect the same types of extreme weaponry most of the other factions they come across have and many within the own empire see piloting it as a talentless shitty endeavour and a shame to one's honor.
Also with that weird Phil Killy Tau'Va warp godess shit I also hope it turns into something the ethereals never accounted for. Like a bizarre reflection of the collective psyche of Greater Good propaganda and a living embodiment of a bunch of warped notions of reality propagated by the ethereals themselves that might even stand in cintrast agains't their goals for not meeting with the overly idealized comfy Greater Good it represents. But again Phil Kelly's plotline not mine

>>96685372
Personally, I think the Tau are at their best when it's ambiguous about how much they believe their own hype and regret all the cruel things they need to do in order to survive and how much they're a bunch of lying, propagandistic bastards.

>>96682685
Personally, I'm not against them filling in all the gaps in the story as time goes on, I just wish the writing was better and didn't drag out so fucking much.

I don't care for the C'tan. I liked it better when all the supernatural shit was connected to the Warp. A lot of people say it's a dark fantasy/horror setting and you need to keep things mysterious and inexplicable and the Warp got too normalized and mundane, but it's still pretty fucked up and unpredictable even with the best technology utilizing it. I dunno, I'm just a bigger fan of the "One Big Lie" school of science fiction.

>>96685255
Necrons were really exciting and menacing in the late 90s and they were just a few metal releases (then later the dudes with green plastic rods). I started getting back into them around 10th and I was like "huh, these guys are kind of lame."

If 40k was just Eldar, Orks, Tyranids and Chaos vs Space Marines and Imperial Guard with all the weird shit and chapter delineations as sublists or special units like back in the day the game would be a lot easier to write for and keep in balance, I think. But probably harder to sell models I guess.

The tabletop would be improved with a simple D&D style Armor class. Rolling to hit, rolling to wound, rolling to resist wound, and numerous skills to reroll all 3 of those is so many dice rolls it takes the fun out of each individual roll. A simple roll for the attack landing against a static number would increase both the speed and enjoyment of the game.

I'm nor much bothered about female Custodes. They never really explained what the deal was with how they're created and how they differ from Astartes and the fact they have different sexes adds an interesting wrinkle to the whole thing.

>>96685624
>looses every major engagement it has with the stoopid hoomans
How's that pariah nexus thing going? I'm sure you'll be relevant at some point lel

>>96688590
>Guilliman's fleet getting decimated by a single Necron
Actually it's going great, thank you.

>>96688442
Necrons as a mysterious force of terminators that obliterated 99.99% of anything that come in contact with them worked, senile leh funny old men bickering about pronouns and being they totally pogers won science does not.

But hey, zoomies gonna zoom.

I bought the Dan Abnett Ravenor omnibus on sale years ago, not realizing it was a sequel trilogy to Eisenhorn. I'm reading through Eisenhorn (on book 2 now) to get to Ravenor, and it is the driest and most weak shit Abnett has written next to that imperial titan book.

There must be a legion of w40k fans that refuse to read Gaunt's Ghosts, it's 4 times better than Eisenhorn AND a better starting point for lore.

>>96688618
They got better, nobody gave a fuck about necrons until Ward fixed them

Mine is that parade ground clean/Eavy Metal paint schemes look better than """""grimdark"""""" weatheringslop. (With the occasional exception of stuff in the Blanchistu style)

>>96689104
Yeah, or in the very least start that bright and neat before you work your way down.

>>96681625 (OP)
Trazyn is the inevitable result of trying to implement Tomb Kings in Space when not even Fantasy wanted Tomb Kings, as evidenced by the fact that they got shoved into ToW instead of making it into Sigmar properly.

>>96681625 (OP)
Little footnote is TIATD is a terrible starting book for someone not familiar with the setting. I dunno why people fawn over it so much.
The Cain books are a lot better if you want to ease someone into 40k.

>>96688618
Necrons as a mysterious force of terminators was a one-note-tune that you couldn't do anything at all with besides "oooh scary robots ooooooh". They were only good as an enemy, and boring as a collectible faction.

>>96688618
Old C'Tan were good. The rest of it was boring as shit.

>>96688824
oof, nice one

>>96688563
This but with exploding/blunder dice for big experimental weapons. You should be afraid of your own army lol

>>96690086
Good. Everything after those metal necrons and sisters of battle was fruity af
>Tau
>some grillboss
>scratchbuilds disappear

>>96690142
It's been well over a decade man, move on. People have dropped star wars and moved on in less than half the time.

>>96690154
WARHAMMER IS STAR WARS NOW YOU NOODLE ARMED POOF

>>96690179
I'm not even going to continue beyond this point, you filled up my whole tank with just that one (you). Bless you, angry retard

>>96683137
Bold words from tourist.

>>96681625 (OP)
The Imperium is to the Necrons and Tyranids what the Tau is to the Imperium.

>>96688824
>gaunts ghosts
I’ll hold back my contempt for abnetts tendency to use plot armor faggotry with eisenhorn because inquisitors are borderline capeshitter super detectives but if I see any more of that shit in a guard book I will drop it instantly and I feel like I will with ghosts.

>>96681625 (OP)
Everything in 28-32mm scale is ill suited to the scope and power levels of 30/40k and should be at least 10mm if not 6mm battalion level grand conflict and fleet engagements.
The only thing 28/32mm is good for is skirmish.
You haven't needed to use GW rules or models for decades.
All GW kits can be had for at least half price at the same quality from recasters.
If you're not cultivating your group of friends to play a variety of wargames with you're failing yourselves and the hobby.

>>96692202
to add my unpopular opinion onto this post: Eisenhorn is written like a massive retard. So much so that he makes the characters around him look like geniuses by comparison. He wears no armor, which is a problem because he gets shot every 20 pages, he uses subterfuge tactics and gets his cover blown every single fucking time, he doesn’t use even the bare minimum of tools at his disposal like a local defense regiment, where his peer on the exact same planet brings the hammer of the law on a group of cultist fucks that almost killed eisenhorn after catching him alone with no backup, he’s constantly in peril because of his own doing like in the third book when somehow brings a pistol to a fight against a warlord titan because he didn’t do bare minimum reconaissance to see that there was a city sized superweapon on the island he was trapping himself on. Abnett wrote Eisenhorn to be probably the most incompetent Inquisitor in the galaxy, he has objectively only survived due to sheer luck and his resourcefulness is only required because he constantly imperils himself.

>>96692253
sounds like a parody of hard boiled detective novels where they plot is always advanced by having the detective get knocked out and taken to the villain

>>96683532
>From the few glimpses we get of necrontyr culture it seems like they were a pretty artistically inclined society doing great advances in basically every single field of study and the arts in ways unprecedented because death, as tragic and certified as ir was, guaranteed a constant flow of minds and people in the grand scheme of things even if most of them are despotic dipshits. When they gave up on death and accepted stagnation in the name of being free from pain their cultured came to a screeching halt as they all became mindless slaves to higher wills built only to die and work in their endless wars. It's why the eldar, a incredibly emotional, psychic and creativly inclined race, were the perfect foil to the necrons.
So what I'm reading is that General Threads were a mistake and spelled doom for 4chan and that we need to go back to the ways of Slaneesh?

>>96692317
unfortunately I haven’t read enough of those novels to get the reference but yeah that exact thing happened at one point.

>>96692253
To be fair, the stories would be pretty boring if half the time it was just Eisenhorn spamming armies of henchmen against all opponents

In the earlier books he does stuff himself so hidden cults can't get a heads up and go to ground

Later on he forms a network of skilled infiltrator-investigators to do that sort of stuff for him, but gets out into the field anyways for old-times sake, or later because he goes rogue

>>96692379
it's in every old school detective novel. Read any of Chandler and it's there.
Seems to be an homage if anything, but the reason the old novels were like that was because they were genre fiction written on a tight schedule along with weekly magazine stories and thus cut a lot of corners to meet deadlines.

Arguably so are warhammer books, but the hustle was tighter back then

>>96681625 (OP)
Tau don't need mind control or other sinister overtones. They were grimdark enough by being the good guys who were doomed to ultimately fail because they could not make the hard choices of sacrificing thousands of lives today to save millions in 100 years.

>>96681625 (OP)
My most unpopular opinion is that whatever (you) are fanboying over is gay and wrong.

>>96693010
Honestly both ways it doesn't really work.

>they could not make the hard choices of sacrificing thousands of lives today to save millions in 100 years.
Like this for example. Sure it sounds good in theory but in practice what are they doing that isn't just the smarter, more pragmatic choice? 90% of the evil shit the Imperium does is just plain dumb and is a trauma response from past incidents rather than any sort of pragmatic necessary evil. The Tau not doing dumb evil stuff doesn't come across as naivety, just as plain pragmatism.

>sinister overtones
This really doesn't work either because no matter how dark you make the Tau they're always going to be a vastly better place to live than the Imperium. They don't have to be perfect, just a better alternative for humanity than all the other options, which is pretty much what they always end up being regardless of how much they try to make them more morally grey.

Tbh I don't think the Tau need to be either of those because I don't think 40k needs to be 100% grimdark all the time. In fact if anything I think it helps make the Imperium feel more insignificant in the grand scheme of the cosmos if they are ultimately just another empire falling and being replaced by new empires with the Tau being a part of that cycle.

>>96693192
>My most unpopular opinion is that whatever (you) are fanboying over is gay and wrong.
Denounce the Tal-uhm... Codex Astartes right now or you're full of shit.

>>96693226
Non-codex-compliant chapters get the most fanboying, though.

>>96693246
Nice pilpul Marinekun but you know what I meant.

>unpopular opinion
The only good way to enjoy the hobby is watching british people read off of the wiki on youtube

>>96693274
i agree

Newcrons are kino

Americans can never fully understand what 40k was and is meant to be even if they want to

>>96693266
I genuinely don't, but marinewank is just as bad as all the rest, if that's what you're getting at.

I miss when Necrons were just spooky unspeaking undying skeletons with a universal march for death no matter the tomb world and didn't Infight like humans

>>96693358
They were scheming and what not in Damnos, only difference is the C'tan was tard wrangling them

>>96692353
Slaneesh wasn't even alive back than you brat!

Lore doesn't really matter in the whole female Space Marines/Custodes debate. What is really important is that the Imperium's elite troops being sex-segregated religious orders helps to reinforce the theocratic fuedalism of the faction. Fem-marines are not bad because they fuck with the lore, they are bad because they fuck with the entire identity of the setting's primary faction.

>>96683091
>. As far back as Damocles the Imperium committed 5 companies of Space Marines and multiple Titan Legions,

The only notable thing about that is the presence of the titans. You don't normally see multiple legions running with an otherwise small crusade.

>>96688590
Can you name a major engagement that humans and necrons have one that didn't require overhwhelming losses on the human side in order to win?

>>96694688
What really matters is curbing the infinite entitlement of real-world feminists, who desperately need to be taken down about a hundred pegs.

>>96694716
There's roughly one Space Marine for every planet in the Imperium and single Space Marines are noted to be capable of quelling entire rebellions by themselves. If 500 Space Marines are being sent in any conflict, it's a sign things are fairly major. And the Titan Legions reinforce that.

>>96694725
Mechanicus videogane
Caiphas Cain Caves of Ice novel
It's really easy to take down a necron threat as long as you get to them first and cover up any way for them to dig themselves out. Artificially flood or quarantine a place or two and you're set

>>96692202
I love gaunts ghosts but he kind of realised that the shit they've survived and won has gotten so crazy that he's floated the idea that the Emperor is subtly manipulating things to the benefit of the unit, either because of the major things it has already allowed them to accomplish, or because there's something even more important they need to survive for in the future. The comment was that someone had seen their record over like 15 books and that the Emperor must be intervening because "stuff like that doesn't happen".

He's essentially trying to canonize why they have a near perfect luck stat.

>>96683134
>genodical

>>96681625 (OP)
I like the Votann not despite being Destiny but because they are Destiny. I may or may not be saying this to anger anons but it's true.

>>96688824
I read it back in the 2000s and liked it as a teen. Reread it a few years ago and it was meh.

>>96681625 (OP)
Guard are the real NPC faction, both in universe and in terms of players.
When /tg/ was a good board that got shit done, it LOVED capeshit primarchslop.
"Old"crons (ie middlecrons ie metal tyranids enslaved to the ctan) becoming newcrons is the single biggest improvement in all of sci fi. The lost empire returning is sick as hell, unique in the setting, and the wacky personalities fit just as well as the Orks do. All very much worth opening a "ooOOOoo so eldritch!" mystery box for.
Squats are cool, including the votann.
Humans and eldar can crossbreed, at least in a pairing of human female and eldar male. This isn't an opinion, it's official lore that has never been officially contradicted, but it tends to make people really mad. Like really fuckass mad.
Female custodes make sense, in gestalt, but their introduction was totally botched and I understand why people are angry about it.
By contrast, female marines are for faggots. Martial vaguely homoerotic brotherhood is core to space marine identity and anyone who wants to introduce fem marines surely wants it for tranny reasons (political and/or coom). No one should want this any more than they should want male Sisters.
The Emperor is not a good guy.
The Tau are not good guys.
TTS was a fun show.
Bungie games fucking suck. Not a 40k opinion but I know you faggots are in here.

Alright that's all the ragebait genuine dogshit opinions I hold that I can think of, I'm sure it made someone mad.

>>96696101
>Bungie games fucking suck. Not a 40k opinion but I know you faggots are in here.
based destiny is gay and that includes its shitass lore

>>96681625 (OP)
Spaceking is a fun show and manages to capture the absurdity and straight faced awesome violence of 40k better than 40k has for decades.

>>96688612
So a fraction of a percent of an infinitely replaceable resource got yeeted. I'm sure that will get the imperial's attention. Yawn, call me when the tranniecrons are relevant.

>>96696813
>an infinitely replaceable resource
Imperium fleets are very much NOT a replaceable resource. The Guard? Yes. The fleets? Hell no.

>>96686388
Yes. Because he's quite literally the reddit Rick mary sue.

40k is already taken as flanderized and joked to death as possible, and he's at the top of this tootsie pop cake along with Bile, Cawl, Emperor, and Chaos Gods, as perceived by modern retards.
It's cringeworthy to see.

I have many terrible opinions on 40K!

> Spooky-crons were better.
We could not communicate with them. Their goals were beyond our understanding. They were alien. Now they're essentially just another human faction that looks different. We can talk with them, work with them when needed...

> Tau SHOULD be morally correct
They were originally grimdark BECAUSE they were right, but they were also the youngest, smallest, shortest lived, magic-less race who could not win. They continued to exist because no one had taken them seriously enough to wipe them out SO FAR. They were right but it did not and would not EVER matter. Now they're just another Imperium

> Tyrannid weapons shouldn't look like swords and guns
Their weapons should be just part of their arms. Either replacing or growing over their claw-like-hands. Seeing gaunts, warriors, or lords holding a rifle makes them feel less bug-dinosaur and more regular soldier.

> The Chaos Primarchs shouldn't have been TRICKED into siding with Chaos and shouldn't hate the gods they serve
Them being mopey, regretful, and reluctant, I guess, could be narratively tragic and poetic but it makes Chaos as a faction seem kinda' less intimidating and seductive. An army of guys telling me how much they hate their job and wish they were on my side and how it's so much worse of there doesn't exactly inspire fear to me

>>96681625 (OP)
40k isn't expensive as a hobby, compared to most others. It's not that much money for the time spent enjoying hobbying and playing.

First of all: lore is important, but it should serve the tabletop. It should create plausible scenarios, open interesting factions, let you create "your dudes"
Newcrons are better
>Kill everyone for unknown reason
Isn't lovecraftian-it's boring
Tau don't need to be more powerful. Imperium is besieged on all sides. There are thousands of minor xeno races, they can't go after everyone. That's not mentioning rebels, cultists, orks and so on
1000 marines per chapter is retarded. If a book mentions a million guardsmen taking a planet, while you can say it's too little, it's instant. You have to think for a while. Thousand is a very understandable number. And that's not to mention chapter aub organizations, like companies and the fact not every chapter is at 1000 strength. Here is your group of galactic importance, Ultramarine 1st company. It now currently has 60 dudes. Come on, you've been to rooms with more people
Furthermore, chapters are depicted as having more. They run planets, have fleets of kilometer long warships, govern multiple planets. Fortress-monastery? With current numbers chapel with sandbags makes more sense.
And that's a problem gw made for no reason. They didn't need to say the exact number-chapter has as many as needed by the plot.

>>96699111
>Kill everyone for unknown reason
What's better is that newcrons even include the destroyer virus which as far as I understand causes necrons to act essentially the same as oldcrons; destroying all life for a vague and esoteric reason.

>>96699248
>the destroyer virus which as far as I understand causes necrons to act essentially the same as oldcrons; destroying all life for a vague and esoteric reason.
It drives them nuts but it doesn't turn them into silent terminators

They turn into kooky autists who give lectures on how they're going to personally exterminate every last microorganism with their gun no matter how many million years it takes

>>96688824
>Gaunt's Ghosts
The book series is military fiction in a sci-fi wrapper that proffers itself as a 40k series. It's all about internal command politics, ground units making the best of bad situations, desperate operations, last stands, and band of brothers type of stuff.
When 40k Elements are introduced, like The Worm in the Damned and the Lost novel, it's more to enhance the military scenario rather then be the main focus.
Like others have mentioned, it becomes bland in some places, but credit where it's due, I always felt like Dan Abnett was either trying something new or was building to something, even if it felt like he was trying to cram in too much or was rushed for time.
>The empty bullet casing at the end of the Damned and the Lost
>Try again Bragg! Try again Bragg!!!
>Nothing matters if you're far away enough.
>She was my Sister! And I'm her brother!

>>96690120
>mirror image isn't mirrored
Also Eisenhorn is crap. Ends justify the means, slippery slope degredation of the soul works when you can sympathise with the choices being made. It requires both a character with some wit and a writer with some ability. Eisenhorn gives Jimmy Rapefingers an indestructible mecha body and complete free reign to stick his fingers into any hole he wants with literally no second thought and no clear advantage in doing so, then jerks himself off in a corner about how cool his magic sword is that his amazonian space babe gave him before she died (he lost his super cool lightsaber that's totally special and badass) and his totally hot doctor girlfriend. He's a fucking moron written by a moron, culminating in a total black hole of intelligence and a remarkable low in a franchise of groundbreaking lows.

>>96699735
you are really good at this newfriend

>>96683091
So they used like a planets worth of resources? When they have billions?

>>96700868
The Imperium had a million planets, not a billion, and it’s closer to saying they used several hundred planets worth of resources (forge worlds are rare, listed as being in the “hundreds”, and every Titan lost represents an immense investment of hundreds of years)

>>96681625 (OP)
Craftworld Eldar legitimately do not belong in 40k any more and are a waste of space and plastic. It's become abundantly clear that the only popularity they have is when their tabletop rules are busted and competitive wannabes want semi-free wins. They haven't had a meaningful contribution to the setting in over ten years and the only major accomplishment they've ever had is "Got to stand in the background of Guilliman's return". The Ynnari failure should have been the final nail in the coffin to finally bury the Eldar and somehow they even failed at that.

>>96699332
>They turn into kooky autists who give lectures on how they're going to personally exterminate every last microorganism with their gun no matter how many million years it takes
not really, they *can* communicate if they absolutely have to, and only to other necrons, but otherwise are at all times completely silent

>>96701152
This isn't an unpopular opinion, many braindead marinefags spew it all the time.

>>96701152
>They haven't had a meaningful contribution to the setting in over ten years and the only major accomplishment they've ever had is "Got to stand in the background of Guilliman's return".
That's just James pandering to marinefags who REEEE if they're not the center of attention for more than 5 seconds. It's not a problem with the faction or setting it's a problem with autists holding the company hostage because the only thing keeping James afloat is an endless string of paypig marine addicts.

>>96701152
Ask me how I know you are physically unattractive. Elves make uggos seethe hard

>>96701990
>>96702032
Seething about your superiors is unbecoming, Eldarfags. Go back to complaining about your dogshit books, considering that's what you do best.

>>96681625 (OP)
Chaos space marine armies make no sense, they shouldnt have the resources to maintain their numbers because they basicly meatgrinding themselves against each other including themselves without szable ways to "reproduce" like loyalist marines that have access to the logistics of the imperium.
Chaos armies should consist mainly of cultist ,mutants ,dark mechanicum etc with space marines as either super elite unit or leaders.

>>96702199
>Go back to complaining about your dogshit books
Isn't that what you just did when you were whining about the Ynnari? Your entire argument is based on lorefaggotry, i.e. complaining about dogshit books.

>>96702342
>Chaos armies should consist mainly of cultist ,mutants ,dark mechanicum etc with space marines as either super elite unit or leaders.
The same should apply to Imperial Marines honestly, given their absurdly low numbers in the setting, you shouldn't be seeing armies of them, more like kill teams or heroes supporting other imperial forces.

>>96702511
I wasn't complaining about them, I was pointing out that if GW would rather not bother making the books good then why keep Eldar around at all?

>>96685612
The only way they couldn't wipe out the Tau is if the Tau were stronger than the imperium and they simply aren't.
Chaos, Tyrannids, and Orks are all much high level threats that the imperium devotes far more resources to. And if 1 of them even half went away the imperium would have the spare resources to deal with the Tau. It's sort of the basic idea of the whole 40k setting that the Imperium is the strongest faction, but can't concentrate its forces.
Don't @ me with that nucron shit.

>>96703171
>the Imperium is the strongest faction
Not even close

The Tyranids, Necrons, and Chaos are all stronger than the Imperium.

The Imperium is mid-tier. They're about as strong as, say, Orks. The only reason Orks haven't conquered the Imperium yet is because their attention is also divided. Same with the Necrons. And so far the Imperium has only encountered Tyranid scouting parties.

>>96702700
That is a complaint. You have a grievance with Eldar being in the game and cited the books as one of the reasons. Thinking isn't your strong suit, is it?

>>96681625 (OP)
One of the Lost Primarchs rucked a Xenos.

>>96688563
AOS sorta did that by just having a set to wound roll for each weapon and all damage being tallied up and spilling over instead of individual attacks. Believe it or not it actually does speed up the game alot over 40k, average AOS turn is like 10-15 minutes depending on game size even being as fast as like 5 minutes when played at 750-1000 point games.

Only thing I don't like about ditching strength and toughness is the nuance of stuff like orks being harder to wound by most weapons compared to other horde factions but still having the same shit saves would be lost.

>>96703232
Orks are actually said to outnumber all other species combined with the possible exception of tyranids in that grouping and that if they were to unite they could wipe out all other life in the galaxy but that the very nature of orks means that this is impossible.

>>96704588
>Orks are actually said to outnumber all other species combined
Source?

>>96704645
>Source?
Me.

>>96704645
Bro they are spores

>>96703232
Orks are less powerful than the imperium because they cannot unite.
>But if they
They cannot.

>>96681625 (OP)
40k is dog shit and should be End Times'd.

>>96701245
Not according to ALL the (relatively) recent books and stories where they're just fucking cackling cartoon villains with autism

>>96705110
bull fucking shit, which ones
that is not not how they were written in tiatd or twice dead king, or the codexes, or in pariah nexus, what are you talking about dude

>>96705122
They ARE written like that in tiatd and also the short story with the celestial orrery

>>96705129
you mean the scene in tiatd when they had forgotten how to even speak after being silent for thousands of years before dryly and concisely telling trazyn their next objective in maybe 3 sentences? you literally do not remember the scene, stop pretending

>>96705051
There actually is a possible Ork win condition: The Green Throne. In one of the books there's a Ork Weird-boss called Greeneyes who somehow knows a)how the Golden Throne amplifies psychic power and b)that his race are all part of a latent gestalt psychic network. He plans to create a copy of the Golden Throne that will allow himself or another sufficiently powerful Weirdboy to tap into the waaaugh-power of every single Ork at once and unute them into a green tide that will sweep over everything in its path.

>>96705129
In fact, here is the exchange in its entirety

>>96705129
and also, the only other lines any destroyer has in the entire book
no clue how you gaslight yourself so hard

>>96683091
The Tau are being abused and brainwashed by the Ethereals and the Imperium must liberate them.

>>96705051
>Orks are less powerful than the imperium because they cannot unite.
The imperium can't unite either, thoughbeit. Very few of the factions are any good at getting their ducks in a row, which is by design.

>>96705174
>>96705179
Do not engage with midcronfags, they played too much FROMslop vidya and now believe writing is bad unless it is vague and half-baked enough for youtubers to make 6 hour videos explaining their fanfiction interpretation of it.

>>96705200
Imperial disunity and orkish disunity are obviously in entirely different leagues

>>96705162
>big O
Absolute cinema

3E "Old"crons were kind of shit for a very simple reason
C'tan were shit themselves.
C'tan were an entirely mismanaged and poorly executed concept with GW going wishy-washy on their origins (not in a mysterious way, just slightly changing their origin story constantly) and their diet.
Not to mention that they were largely isolated concept with nearly zero interactions with other factions (bar maybe Void Dragon & Admech) and their poorly executed theme of "realspace mirror to Chaos Gods".
And since Necrons were completely subservient to C'tan, by extension they were kind of shit too, there wasn't much mystery around them really.
Like, C'tan were so badly done that even a GW author admitted to it.
Fixing things warranted either completely rewriting C'tan altogether or soft-axing them and making them Necron toys, while slightly elevating crons themselves. Which was an easier job to do.
Also people wildly and disproportionately exaggerate how "wacky" or "humanlike" modern crons are out of misguided bitterness (and also nostalgia because in 3E that new threat of crons seemed impressive to them). The behaviour of nobles and lords is largely the same as it was in 5th edition fluff.

>>96705805
The C'tans haven't changed a bit you zoomy tard. They still feed on souls, are enigmatic and unknowable and fundamentally exactly the same.
GW just switched places between necrons and C'tan to make space for their tarded Tomb Kangs IN SPACE soap opera.

The basics of how necrons were remained the same too - contempt for biological life and cleansing, experimentation and reconquista.
Except now with green hair, pronouns and le epic jokes for redditors like you.

>>96706587
>They still feed on souls
How do realspace gods feed on Warp energy?
The C'tan are STUPID, at odds with everything the setting is at it's base, and because Necrons were attached to them, were lesser for it.
This guy here>>96705805
>Also people wildly and disproportionately exaggerate how "wacky" or "humanlike" modern crons are out of misguided bitterness
called you out in exactly the way you proceeded to act.
Aged to spite you.

>>96706612
>How do realspace gods feed on Warp energy?
How does Warp energy creates realspace Wraithbone?
Energy is energy, simple as.
>This guy here
Is a fucking faggot and so are you. Go cry to your mummy that she birthed a faggot into the world.

>>96706641
>How does Warp energy creates realspace Wraithbone?
By alien psykers using a specific discipline, not fully realspace monstrosities that are supposed to be antithetical to the Immaterium eating warp energy.
I didn't think the mythical 'oldcron/c'tan defenders' actually existed, but here we are. Look at him and laugh.

>>96683134
There is way you're capable of blinking and breathing through your nose at the same time.

>>96706693
>By alien psykers using a specific discipline
So possible.
>not fully realspace monstrosities that are supposed to be antithetical to the Immaterium
They weren't written as antithetical, but simply opposed to it. And they were slapped by warp creatures and magic many times over.
If daemons can interact and inhabit material things, Star Gods can eat eat souls for fun.
It's only a contradiction for the feeble of mind.

>>96700805
These xenos are so truely xenos in apperance and behaviour and are so well done in their strangeness im convinced Abnett got them from someone else.

>>96705213
>Imperial disunity and orkish disunity are obviously in entirely different leagues
Yeah but the Orks aren't chained down by bureaucracy like the Imperium is either.

>>96681625 (OP)
The setting isn't grimdark in any capacity. The imperium may not be the good guys, but they're definitely the protagonist and ontologically going to win the setting, great rift, necrons, and tyranids be damned. There is absolutely nothing in the setting that truly threatens the imperium, not even the imperium. 15 years from now all the revived loyalists primarchs are going to get together and cum in an ancient golden mason jar Malcador had stashed away, and dump it on the emperor, who will then revive, get off the golden throne, seal the great rift with his bare hands, give some named commisar a dirty sanchez, send him and his troops into the eye of terror to kill Abodon, mutter some horseshit about there always being enemies of the imperium, proclaimed his power is drained, and him needing 98% of all primaris marines to keep him alive on the golden throne this time, and things more or less will go back to business as usual.
Non imperium factions only exist so space marines have something to beat.

God, I fucking hate grogs

>>96681625 (OP)
40k has so much potential as a serious setting.

>>96681625 (OP)
Chaos Xenos will never be done right by GW

>>96707251
>win the setting
Hallmark of a dogshit opinion. There is no "winning" for anybody, GW tried that with fantasy and faced years of ridicule. Worse, they had to sit and watch Vermintide and Total War generate popular demand for a product they shitcanned like idiots. They aren't going to make the same mistake with 40k.

>>96681625 (OP)
Chaos would be far better it had more inter-god variety or different forms of the same Chaos God minion.

Take Destined Death. We have anywhere from the Godskins and Gloam Eyed Queen, to the skeletons and everything that came from Godwyn, Malekith sealing it away, etc. Or the Dark Moon we have Ranni and Raya Lucaria, the underground cities, the starbeasts and Radahn gravity sorcery, etc. They all came from the same source but diverge in everything from where specifically to individual characteristics. In Warhammer, we rarely have anything close. If it's from Khorne, you can bet it'll be some red guy with brass and blood. That's not saying nothing should have their patron god's ID tag but that we rarely have truly divergent different things from the same source.

In a way, it's like if we had a Khorne Xenos race that behaves like Mohg's minions. The Chaos Gods are, weirdly, very uniform. I know there's the IRL logistics of making models and stuff but across an entire galaxy and many in-universe interpretations of the Emperor, we almost always see a similar representation for Chaos guys.

>>96707251
>There is no "winning" for anybody
One faction has already won. The galaxy is just the way they want it to be.

>>96712297
Chaos technically has everything of that already, and it was thought up way before your gay little vidya was even conceived.

Problem is, it's unsuitable for a tabletop miniature wargame and it only got more streamline because GW can't handle even what it already has.

Chaos, or rather, the Warp, has a myriad of different entities, fallen lesser gods and good-aligned spirits. But trying to represent them all would be a chore.

Custodes and their fans are even more cringe than Grey Knights.

>>96681625 (OP)
>Unpopular 40k opinions thread
>Post a popular opinion

>>96681625 (OP)
Nids are aesthetically tacky and ugly; they only seem acceptable to you because you've become accustomed to the crap.

>>96721657
Agree actually, with the exception of one or two classic units they look exactly like dried dog poo.

>>96693358
Wait for the day that GW do this for nids.

>>96721776
There is no indication that GW has any ambition of doing that to nids tho.

>>96721998
I mean, Genestealer cults exist and they've gotten more attention in recent years. Thankfully it seems like GW is content to let them be a sideshow to the larger threat of the faceless Tyranid Hivemind so far.

Not sure if this is unpopular opinion or acknowledged as fact, but I think 40K now is pure shit:
1. The game. 2. Primaris lore. 3 Shit new boxes with mostly beautiful minis but monoposes and limited amount of options and bits. 4. Disgusting atreork which makes me cry when comparing with older one. 5. All rules decision made with competitive play in mind which kills lots of flavor from the game to create an esports like game.

>>96681625 (OP)
>Unpopular 40k opinions
Imo, the falling out between the Eldar and the Krorks is almost completely unexplored, even though there's opportunity for good material

They were allies once, but the Eldar kicked them back to the stone age when the Eldar dominated the galaxy during the golden age after the War in Heaven ended.
The Krorks were created by The Old Ones to be war slaves, and never had the chance to be anything else. The Eldar knew that, but never bothered to help their comrades. Sure, they probably wouldn't have succeeded, but they could have at least tried to reverse the blood lust that the Old Ones instilled in the Krorks.
It seems like a deep betrayal purely because the Eldar wanted to rule alone. Furthermore, this arrogant callousness lends itself to the type of decadence that eventually birthed Slannesh.

Yet none of this gets talked about by either faction, and is swept under the rug.

>>96712247
>There is no "winning" for anybody
The imperium has their win lined up pretty blatantly. In fact their win was guaranteed the moment loyalists primarchs started coming back.

Starcraft is cooler than 40k.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Ng65zl3qo

>>96728739
100%.
Couldn't make heads or tails between the two for the longest, and always defaulted to Starcraft when in doubt. Thought the tau were ab analog to the protoss and that's what got me into 40k

>>96696101
>No one should want this any more than they should want male Sisters
Afaik in the lore they make a point that it could happen just never did.
I headcanon it as women having access to a wholly different tier of "love" for the Emperor which is why they can basically go super sayian with it and are a few of the people in the universe devout enough to cast miracles.

They are basically Orcs if they were all hot girls and wanted to hump big E

>>96705162
I like to think he learned all of that by grabbing random humies and then "interrogating" them by slinging their body into the pavement over and over while yelling T'ELL MEEE ZDUUFF!!!

>>96681625 (OP)
The concept of genestealers and their cults should be completely separated from nids because it limits their potential and every plotline leads to "oops they all got eaten tehe".
Make genestealers a separate xenos race and bring back the fat ugly bastard patriarch.

>>96714928
>Chaos technically has everything of that already
>it exists offscreen in text but has no presence whatsoever on tabletop, in video games, even in books
>exactly what >>96712297 was complaining about

The Dark Eldar should be more relevant in the grand scheme of things.

>>96730480
I dunno, I think it's funnier when they THINK they're independent or that they're the actual followers of the Emperor and everyone else is a heretic and then they get digested when their real bosses show up. It's not so far off to how real cults work if you think about it.

>>96734876
Genestealer cults are aesthetically and thematically one of my favourite armies but I never bothered because, well, I have no idea what to do eith them.

>>96730480
Completely wrong.
Genestealers work as the vanguard to the Tyranids perfectly. The actual problem is that the Nids have no long term plans for experienced and successful infiltrators, and instead eat them; meanwhile the least successful but still mildly competent genestealer cults survive because they don't call down a Hive Fleet to get eaten and instead fuck off to start the cult anew where they'll likely be unsuccessful yet again.
Tyranids should let the cult take a ship, slap them on the ass, and they go their separate ways. Not for sentimental reasons or to reward loyalty, but to reward success and keep a strong cult around.

>>96696101
Normalest opinion on this entire board, and everyone's going to ignore it because it's too reasonable and not constant oldgoodnewbad.

5 the ultimate deception we've looped all the way back around to the normal takes being the standouts.

>>96696101
This is all mostly correct except
>Female custodes make sense
Bodyguards have to be dependable and competent thus ruling out women
>The Emperor is not a good guy
That's just like... your opinion man

>>96730480
1000% agree, based and Patriarch pilled

>>96681625 (OP)
The single worst part of 40k is the constant appeal to real-life history, i'm sorry, but no amount of arguments about World War 2 (because its always World War 2) will change if I enjoy a book or not.

>>96730480
Current GSCs have a very big guerilla warfare aesthetic going on and it really did seem like the design team wanted to incorporate an element of general rebellion and revolution within 40k that was missing in most other factions while making them a bit more redeemable than chaos cultists, in fact they fill the niche of armed revolutionaries way more than chaos cultists who fill the spiritual weird cult shit way more than the faction with "cultists" in their name
Dying for an impossible cause that was doomed from the start in hopes for a better life is fucking badass though and having them end up being consumed by nids at the end of things, while certainly being at least somewhat comical, is absolutely in line with the blatently hopeless unfixable reality of 40k as a setting where even if your guys have good intentions standing up agains't the blatently bad and unfunctional imperial governing bodies it will all amount to nothing at the end
Also in general the way their ground troops and man have mutations, synaptic communication and other shit exclusive to the nids makes them a way higher threat to fight and just way cooler in general

>>96735260
I think the deal is the DNA from the successful cults gets assimilated and used in the production of subsequent Genestealer broods.

>>96704335
Hah, funnily enough one of my HC too. One of the primarchs got dropped on a maiden world and was raised by the Amish Eldar with an Amish Eldar wife. Emps reeeeeee'd screaming "it should have been me" and burned everyone.

>>96681625 (OP)
Erda was a completely irrelevant addition
>currently reading Voidscarred
I have literally nothing against Eldar being big poofs who don't give a rats ass about gender and wear armour according to their aspect and not their genitals but for the love of god keep the they/them baronex shit out.

>>96728538
Are the Eldar even aware that the Krorks were also created by the old ones?
I thought only a small subset of Eldar knew the truth and most of them believed the myths they eventually created, that they were the children of Isha and Kurnous. Plus, the Eldar gods were real.

The idea of the Chaos Gods just being a bunch of dudes, with actual thoughts and opinions and the ability to take deliberate actions is fucking retarded. It would make a lot more sense if these were just names invented by tiny mortal minds in an attempt to make sense of the senseless. The Warp should be an unfeeling cosmic force, not just three Skeletors and one gay Skeletor.

>>96737384
>not just three Skeletors and a gay Skeletor
Turbokek

>>96728739
i...agree with you

>>96728739
>>96738672
They competed for popularity and they're both gay and shitty now.

>>96714928
>it technically has it but it's never represented in any shape or form so it might as well not exist
>mfw
The "Chaos Gods are, weirdly, very uniform" has to be addressed at the Chaos God/Daemon level and not just expressed through mortals or xenos worshippers. Because for all those diverse cults working towards their apocalyptic goal, they're still gonna summon the same red guys with brass & blood.
So variety and liveblood should be injected into Daemons & Gods themselves, not some chaos xenos or weird offbeat cults. Remember those cool weird cults from AoS like the snake dudes? Or the raven guys? Or the stilt-walkers? They're all gonna be summoning the same Daemon guys, which is a bad thing.
We have to fix Daemons first because we can't just can the entire decades of Chaos Daemon/God art, we can only diversify and expand on it. And honestly making Daemons less human-like would be a good first step because there sure are a lot of aliens that are more alien-looking than Daemons, which really undermines the Daemonwank fluff of how they're supposed to be so weird & unreal. Or just ease on that sorta fluff too and canonize that Daemons are more humanlike due to humans being so widespread, that kind of works.

>>96742425
You can broadly handwave this as "the Warp is shaped by the thoughts and emotions of the real world" and a common consensus has sprouted that the plastic toys are what daemons are supposed to look like, and on a more meta level you can and should just be kitbashing them to suit how you want them to look. Kitbashing is fun! Be creative.

>>96683211
>playing For Honor right now
Holy cringe

>>96742425
I am flattered you reposted my talking points verbatim from a different thread couple days ago but its slightly weird and plz dont do that again. D:
>>96730480
>lemme give you my opinion without reading any GSC or nid fluff
Annoying, GSC frequently cooperate with nids far beyond "oops they all got eaten tehe".

>>96687508

The Tau don't need to be morally perfect but Phil Kelly needs to stop writing them.

>>96688563

Legions Imperialis (based on the old Epic rules) does that and it works well.

>>96689057

No, Necrons were selling fine, they just wanted to shit on them because they were Andy Chambers's creation and he left the company.

>>96688618
The 'terminators who obliterate everyone' Necrons are still around, they're just part of a wider whole now.

>>96689938
Tomb Kings were the FACE of denying Wage of Shitmar thanks to Settra, and I'm glad they got to stay around in the actual setting rather then getting dragged off onto 'infinite battles upon infinite plains for no goddamned reason'.

>>96681625 (OP)
Primaris were a mistake but not because of fluff reasons but because they bloated the SM range into astronomical proportions by splitting special/heavy weapons into units like eldar and making redundant units for the same concept for example terminator/gravis.
Primaris also destroy iconic units and visual design elements of units for example going with hover tank instead of classic ones, going from vox grill helmets to a ugly MKIV redesign etc.
I'm also of the opinion that all named legion chapters like UM,BA,DA etc should dissappear to further reduce range bloat by squatting their "special units".
This would also eliminate primarch bullshit as a side effect.

I miss allies

>>96743011

No, they specifically don't exist. The rules since 5e have prevent you from having a C'tan-led army, because they wanted to shit on Andy Chambers.

>>96705162
Good luck taking Terra first

I dunno if it’s an unpopular opinion but I think Malstrain Gene-stealer cults should be able to turn to Chaos after getting rejected by the hive mind.

>>96683538
It is in mine, now, since I told my friends about it.

>>96745048
I actually think the Primaris units resembling Eldar Aspects actually kind of works if you subscribe to the idea that Guilliman is... normalizing relations with them.