Thread 96694677

It's finally here!

>what is curseborne?
Curseborne is the newest Onyx Path Publishing TTRPG on dark urban fantasy genre. It's about being unapologetic monsters in a world where being monstrous is the least of your worries. In Curseborne, you play as Accursed, descendants of monstrous Lineages lurking in a modern world that closely resembles our own. You rebel against the ancient feuds between these entwined families, as well as against the web of curses that bind you, while fending off inhuman antagonists
seeking to claim — or reclaim — your power.
>early access download (it's a zip, and the folder is in alphabetical order so go search for it)
gofile <dot> io/d/O6yTIy
>official website
https://www.curseborne.com/
>OPP forum
https://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/curseborne

>Thread Question
Now that it's finaly released for early access, what's your opinion?

It's shit

Is me or is the tone all over the place? I feel like is a watered down version of Requiem.

>>96694677 (OP)
Is this "monsters are hidden" kinda shit or are monsters just hanging around horns out while ordering a coffee at a cafe kind of setting?

>>96694677 (OP)
it's requiem 1e confused writing/tone/identity with slightly better mechanics

>>96694811
hidden

>>96694778
It's probably not you but I don't think it's too bad on that front. A lot of the book is in-character (which I don't love) so there are different characters talking so there isn't a single voice but I think they're playing towards a lot of the same themes.

>>96694811
Neither. There isn't a masquerade and the supernatural is more out in the open but it's not a fully accepted fact of life where everyone gets along. There is a cultural shift towards belief in the supernatural, and people tend to be much more superstitious, but it's not absolute and there are plenty of things that do not want you to know they're there. There might be an openly practicing witch and she might offer her services, and her customers might think she's supernatural, and people aren't likely to to call you insane for believing it, but not everyone is going to immediately go "ah, yes, witches are real". I think it's hitting a good balance between hidden dark corners without everything being a secret society, and also having enough difference from our world without feeling like it's a full on fantasy world.

>>96694982
Honestly, it feels completely toothless and out of shape. The art doesn't help.

>>96695298
I think most of it is pretty good. I don't love some of the photobashed stuff but most of it isn't so I can't complain too much. How do you mean "toothless" though?

>>96694677 (OP)
I still can't believe it.

More urban darkness monster slop yawn

>>96695298
What do you mean you don't like the rock-punk Werewolf?

>>96694982
That's just hidden, numbnuts.

It's a hidden game. It's something that's been done to death and I doubt the system is something ground breaking. As such it is a hard pass.

>>96695775
If you say so but I'm not sure how you can square that with open known supernaturals wandering about the place. Some people rationalising it away and others accepting it doesn't mean it's not there to be seen.

>>96694677 (OP)
Haven't read it yet. How much time does it spend talking about discrimination and minorities and stuff? I hate to be all brainrotted, but how many times do they mention that the Cursed are more like to be poor minorities?

>>96695747
The only difference between this and 90's white wolf art is that this is in color. If they're going for old-school WW they are hitting the fucking nail on the head.

>>96695849
Liiike 3 times? The bit that will upset you the most is mostly talking about playing actual minorities. Which will probably be too much for you so give it a skip.

>>96695863
I'm not really sure that's the case but if it is and you want to share some comparisons to back that up I'd like to see.

>>96695863
This. Basically, whether or not you are going to enjoy this game hinges on whether you consider 90s WoD baste or cringe.

I tried reading trough the book so many times but the in person talk they go for in the lore parts just turns me away

>>96695975
They did clean up a lot of the text from the manuscript if that was when you last tried, it's more clear and definitive now if that was the problem, but everything that was in-character is still in-character in the backer pdf.

>>96695986
I meant the backer pdf
it is better but still awful to read
and I have read trough few WW and OP books

>>96695426
I don't know. Look at this for example. What is supposed to represent? A mage? A suburban hipster? Some type of counter culture? It seems to represent all these things at the same time and none at all. Besides the game has a tone that is clearly oppressed vs oppressors but doesn't commit to the bit. Everything is vague, ambiguous and non-threatening. How are you going to speak against oppression or whatever if you can even include real problems there? I wish media had more guts than this.

>>96696059
>How are you going to speak against oppression or whatever if you can even include real problems there? I wish media had more guts than this.
We had more guts.
Now everything is "problematic" and people have more access to express themselves, influence other people and more important... Talk directly (or at least have the illusion) to the creators. And if your buyers are mad, they won't buy and your business is gone.
Sure, the last part ain't that much real if you're a big company. However, people are so afraid nowadays to hurt sales or become some sort of bad name/blacklisted within their industry they prefer to keep things neutral to the point all effort to do something with "tooth" is Up To The GM (TM).

Genuine question: Why people don't like in-character conversation?
Sure, it's just a matter of personal taste, but I'm curious on why.

>>96694778
Not just you, it feels both bloated and space

>>96695747
>you have gifts but that doesn't make you god

ok, book is shit. Real tired of "uhm aktshually we're still human" monsters with humility. Cringe ass millenial writing

>>96696110
it limits whatever is being described as just having that 1 voice, that 1 thing. With a neutral, third person description, it is up to your own imagination to give something texture.

With crap like >>96695747 the description is immediately colored by the characterization of the narrator, forever tainted to be only this one voice. All werewolves are now cringe ass punks because of this text.

>>96696248
Except for when more is released that's either not in character or isn't by that character. Which isn't a hypothetical.

>>96696110
I've noticed that it isn't even "in character" that pisses people off, a conversation tone also truly rustles people's jimmies.

>>96696272
because its the writer talking down to you, forcing you to have a one sided conversation with a character you may not like. It's rape and literary violence.

>>96696220
That's just the Get, they're pack focused and community minded. The next family is the Hydes and they're a lot more "actually, we are better". Although even the Get are plenty monstrous and the game does want you to be unapologetic about it. It's just not a game where every Family is monstrous in the same way.

Their summary of police officers was very even-handed and not at all a pile of ACAB wank.

>>96696313
Cringe. Who wants cops on their side in a game about being monsters? They should all be bastards.

>>96694677 (OP)
What do you think of the new Families in the Players Guide, like the Napoleons? I personally wonder why the Outcastes only got one while the other Lineages got two.

Also, if you were to create a new Family of your own, what would you make? I'd do a new Sorcerer Family that focus more on the intersection of curses and technology.

>>96695897
I mean, I don't really mind playing minorities, I just wish they wouldn't ramble on so much about it. I don't need to be told to make a minority. I would've considered doing so without the callout. But they make it sound so lame when they talk about it.

>>96696364
>Also, if you were to create a new Family of your own, what would you make? I'd do a new Sorcerer Family that focus more on the intersection of curses and technology.
Do they have rules for making your own families or not being in one?

>>96696313
Anon, why would you expect cops in the magically worst version or earth to not be the worst version of cops? Use some critical thinking, bud.

>>96696368
It's not even half a page and it's not telling you to play a minority. It basically boils down to "You want to play a minority? Go for it, try not to be a tool though".

>>96696387
Not currently. Tomorrow the manuscript on Orphans comes out though. Orphans are Accursed without a Family and are in their own weird little groups instead. I'm not sure if it'll come with rules for making your own Family but it's pretty simple to do, they're not incredibly complex on a mechanical level depending on your Lineage of choice.

>>96696406
It's just culture war brainrot.

>>96696096
The problem is that this type of corporate bland slop doesn't make anyone happy. If you already support the "cause" then there's 0 reason to see the developers trying to be neutral. If you're against it you don't care either. This neutered stuff smells like mediocrity and not wanting to test any real boundaries that could make the thing interesting.

>>96696459
In a cottage industry like TTRPGs where assholes like Evil Hat Productions have legitimate financial bullying power, corporate cowardice is all you can hope for.

>>96696059
That's a Sorcerer. You can tell by the Sorcerer symbol and the fact it's on a page with the heading SORCERERS in giant block capitals. It says the Hermit at the bottom because it's a reference to the tarot Major Arcana of the same name, stylising the traditional lamp and walking stick as a more modern street light, and the old man as someone younger and in more contemporary clothing to fit the setting and characters the game is about. The Hermit symbolising things like wisdom, introspection, solitude, among other relevant themes for the Sorcerers. Notably they chose the Hermit over the Magician because dispite the latter's more obvious name its own means of will, skill, and resourcefulness are less specifically applicable to Sorcerers. It says IX at the top because the Hermit is the ninth major arcana. The IX is on top of the game's moth logo with the moth being symbolic of how they gnaw away at threads in fabrics, directly analogised to the web of curses which are all interconnected. Like threads in a tapestry. I would say the thematic content of the artwork is on full display.

Rebellion is an theme of the game but it's not the only thing going on either and while you say it's clear that the game is about oppression it doesn't really talk about it much. It's much more about the status quo being shitty than it is about some form of monolithic oppression. So I think you might have made a really heavy assumption that it should be really all in on the oppression thing and are now annoyed it's not. But the reason it's not all in on it is because it's not really about that as such. Every Family is up to some fairly shitty things going on but it's not really about toppling power structures or anything and likely won't be at this tier. This tier is about personal level stories.

>>96696495
>where assholes like Evil Hat Productions
QRD?

>>96695832
Okay, fuck nugget.

You first said "someone claiming to be a witch" and people just rolling with it is the level of supernatural people are dealing with. We have that with fucking Wiccan tards now. So the bigger shit wouldn't be known, so it's hidden.

Now you say, open known supernatural shit is walking around in the open like it's not hidden.

So which is it? It 100% CANNOT be both. It's either a known element or an unknown element.

>>96696538
Yes, is obvious the card is a reference to the tarot. But what does that mean? Changing the original illustration for a fairly vapid image of someone who looks like a stereotypical hipster has any meaning besides the obvious? Seems that the answer is no.

If the developers really wanted to take this whole thing seriously, they should have taken a moment to think what they wanted to say and how to say it. How this better than any of the legacy White Wolf stuff that existed previously and treated the same themes and ideas? How is this even better than the products Onyx Path worked previously years ago? Apparently the developers think putting a worse copy of something from the past is 100% fine. If is really the case that they're being policed by some wrong-thinking mafia alright. But don't be surprised when they called out for it.

>>96696581
They've been known to threaten Drive-ThruRPG into banning certain things they don't like from sale. They have the leverage since FATE sells really well there.

>>96696581
They also pay their freelancers notoriously low.

>>96696689
>certain things they don't like from sale.
such as? genuine question

>>96694677 (OP)
NOPE LMAO
JUST NOT GOING TO BUY IT
JUST NOT GOING TO PLAY IT
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>96696686
It means the really obvious thing it means. You've picked a very explicit bit of art to struggle with, anon. Sorcerers encapsulate the thematic elements of the Hermit. Sorcerers also dress like people and not like old men wizards. Simple as that. 90% of RPG art is just "this is what a thing looks like in a tonally appropriate way" and has been basically forever.

If you say so man. I think you're getting hung up on stuff you've largely invented but there isn't anything more to say on that. I'm not here to convince you to like the game.

>>96696581
What's funny is they've been very, very effective at burying the incident where they bullied a trans person off the internet after she complained one of their employees stabbed him in the eye at a convention.

>>96696668
Witches, ghosts possessing a corpse, same difference. Some supernatural person is out and about and not hiding it. Some stuff is known, some stuff isn't, not everyone agrees or wants to believe, everything I've said is accurate. I genuinely do not believe this is a complex thing to apply a small amount of nuance to.

>>96696448
>Not currently. Tomorrow the manuscript on Orphans comes out though. Orphans are Accursed without a Family and are in their own weird little groups instead. I'm not sure if it'll come with rules for making your own Family but it's pretty simple to do, they're not incredibly complex on a mechanical level depending on your Lineage of choice.
Cool. Non-family was really more what I was interested in.

>>96696780
At least from the small bit we've seen they're Lineage-agnostic pseudo-Families.

>>96696581
They lied about a public playtest for a non-existent game to trick people into signing up for a marketing mailing list, the persons name they attached to this ended up having to leave the industry entirely.

>>96696718
It started, at first, with a Gamergate themed card game during the heyday of 2015 then escalated to other games like Rebel Scum.

>>96696748
I'm not struggling with anything. I explained what I disliked about the game. If you don't have anything smart to say save the bitch attitude for yourself.

>>96696748
You think that is someone dressed like a person?

>>96696808
You needed tarot explained to you.

>>96696825
Whatever you say WytchWynd834 enjoy the sabbat

>>96696844
I accept your concession.

>>96696856
I'm not even the guy you were talking to I just think also think you're a faggy dumbass and your game sucks

>>96695747
Looks like an IMVU avatar

>>96696495
Didn’t Evil Hat have a big sexual assault scandal or am I thinking of a different company?

>>96696936
As usual with every one of those jewy male feminist dudes and the companies they work for if they haven't already it's only a matter of time.

They really just should've kept supporting CofD instead

>>96696985
Paradox Interactive actively blocked OPP from touching CofD ever again. Internal competition for their pet project WoD5.

>>96696993
So Paradox killed CofD to necromance WoD and make it shit? What a fucking waste

>>96697012
What did you expect? The only reason they even bought the IP was to make VtM Bloodlines, so an alternative continuity like CofD is useless except to strip for mechanical parts (case in point, turning Hunter the Reckoning into a worse Hunter the Vigil).

>>96697028
It's a sad state, it is. CofD was a good update and refocusing of oWoD with some interesting new ideas, Beast not withstanding
Curseborn is a desperate attempt at trying to recapture that but it fails to do so. It's a crying shame, but I still have my books

>>96697058
I'm not really seeing how it's trying to be more wod

>>96697101
Well it sucks, they have that similarity

>>96697028
WHICH IS FUCKING CANCER BECAUSE WE KNOW FULL WELL THAT PARADOX INTERACTIVE COULD HAVE MADE A GAME LIKE HOI FOR THE CAMMIES WIGGERS AND SABBAT, AND ADDED WEREWOLVES HUNTERS, ECT AS DLC.

>>96696364
Probably didn't really have an idea for a new one

Does this game do modern wizards well? I just want to be a suburban mage killing demons in between working a 9-5 & making sure my kids are raised right

>>96694677 (OP)
>Now that it's finaly released for early access, what's your opinion?
It's like someone filed off all the numbers from WoD.

i might be in the minority here in that i like what's in the corebook, but like i don't feel any of the new families from the players guide because a lot of them are just too close to families that already exist in the corebook

like do i really need the Tormentors when i have the poltergeists? the Memori when i have the Archivists? not saying those are 1 to 1 the same, but that you could do the new families just as character concept in the old ones

How exactly does an Archivist sacrifice secrets &/or knowledge? This shit is way to fucking esoteric for its own good. Why can't I just learn hidden information & have full access to power? Why is my power derived from "curses" instead of resources I can directly control?

>>96697549
>How exactly does an Archivist sacrifice secrets &/or knowledge?
it seems to be a combination of you deleting your own memories or you destroy rare books and the like
but yeah sorcerers are still a bit too vague for my liking personally
>Why can't I just learn hidden information & have full access to power? Why is my power derived from "curses" instead of resources I can directly control?
because that's the central theme they went with every power is a addiction even the hunters only get their magic from obession

>>96697618
Yeah but they replaced the resource stat like Vitae or Gnosis with a really fucking vague "curses" & they just repeat the word "curse" a fuck ton of times like it means something. If a sorcerer did shit like the HtV:Witchfinder take on mages where you have to cultivate stuff to gain magical power to spend on spells it would make sense. But Sorcerers just have vague a "sacrifice" catch. So yeah do something like burn an effigy or kill a goat would be fine, it would mean having to devote time & resources to accumulating a bunch of components. But they don't fucking tell you how that actually works. I don't give a damn if they have a supernatural obsession to do xyz, that's fine. What I want is for them to fucking use hard mechanics & explanations for shit & stop writing half assed pretentious drivel to ofuscate their lack of effort. What's an Archivist supposed to do, say "when I was 14 I wet the bed this one time"? And then that let's him flood a penthouse mid combat? "Jack likes Jill, but he slept with her best friend over the summer & now it's awkward" Now let me teleport across the City? "Let me forget who won the Superbowl last year" now eat a fireball?

It's absolutely asinine. Let me use XP to learn knowledge & some sort of resource to manage beyond vague "curse dice" that represent "all the curses you suffer from" like what specific curses? Am I not allowed to wear green? Will I die on my wedding day? Am I doomed to never visit New Jersey? If I'm fucking cursed g8ve me actual fucking curses

>>96697689
>ay "when I was 14 I wet the bed this one time"? And then that let's him flood a penthouse mid combat? "Jack likes Jill, but he slept with her best friend over the summer & now it's awkward" Now let me teleport across the City? "Let me forget who won the Superbowl last year" now eat a fireball?
by raw sorta i guess?
if you use your own memories you are meant to get a status effect of either Confused, Drained, Loss, or Terrified and you need to do it in a ritualalistic way so possibly not during combat? but the rules for this are very vague compared to the other lineages... probably because they are the only one who didn't get feedback on their revised rules
but they mention that archvists are allowed to start small and that each sacrifice becomes bigger so these actually might work for a starting out character?

not the greatest fan of how this works myself but i think that is how that is meant to work

>>96697689
>It's absolutely asinine. Let me use XP to learn knowledge & some sort of resource to manage beyond vague "curse dice" that represent "all the curses you suffer from" like what specific curses? Am I not allowed to wear green? Will I die on my wedding day? Am I doomed to never visit New Jersey? If I'm fucking cursed g8ve me actual fucking curses
i forgot about this the curse is the lineage itself you don't have to have anything else going on in terms of taboos or something

so for the archivist it's the need to cast magic but things going wrong if you don't do the sacrifices to power that magic
>First, our curse. As Sorcerers, we are cursed to need magic. If you don’t cast magic for longer than a day or so, you suffer. Go for a week, and you’ll bleed out of your eyes. If you make it past that…well, I’ve never known anyone to even make it that far. The other Accursed
have magic as a side effect of whatever Damnation has them in its grips. They don’t have to cast their magic at all. Instead, they struggle with control in other ways. I’d rather die than be one of them. So, you cast magic to stay whole. Haha, fuck you. This curse also takes from you when you cast magic. Magic demands a sacrifice, and your curse will most often take it directly from you. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
for a hungry it's that they need to drink blood and do their family hunger once a month and so forth

>>96697722
Fucking gay

Start with 1 power point. Only gain more by doing dumb shit. To even do something interesting you gotta suffering a negative condition & every fucking step of this process is vague as hell. Honestly, I'd rather just not play when the core mechanics are this fu king bad. It's like the worse offenses of FATE & CofD2. No powerful PCs allowed, no real upward mobility, just circlejerk trauma stories about your feelings

>>96697731
Im just gonna say my character learns triva game facts & forgets them then rereads the same fucking book. I'd rather be chanting greek to my Nikes to run fast, or inking my body with woad so I can walk through fire, or going without water for a day so I can summon rain, making a prepped effigy of the bad guy using a hair I grabbed from a crime scene so I can burn him with a lighter. Digging up a corpse so I can use them as ghostly spies. You know... actual magic. Not this dicksucking art club bullshit. Women shouldn't write fiction

>>96697189
Yeah, I support the ADL, the anti demon legion

>>96697689
Curse dice are a vague resource? The book is pretty explicit about how you gain them and how you use them.

>>96697748
>>96697767
You seem mad.

>>96696259
>more is released
So, when/if they ever push out Curseborne 2? Corebook bios tend to stay until new versio release if it ever happens.

>sorcerers
Isn't it just Unknown Armies but more vague?

>>96698043
It's a shitty catch-all

>>96698685
A little bit. I'm sick & tired of pretentious feminists writing books & destroying my hobby with their bullshit.

>>96699255
Rightfully so my friend! It would be something if one of them could ever write anything even vaguely different or unique anymore, but even that is dead in favor of bland derivative garbage.

>>96699255
God forbid a woman has hobbies.

>>96697012
>So Paradox killed CofD to necromance WoD and make it shit?
It's modern Paracucks. Basically, an Indian compnay in a sense that the only thing it can produce is shit.

>>96699760
>God forbid a woman has hobbies.
But He did. Hobby is a male pastime. Women "hobbies" are social mimicry for the sake of attracting a husband/keeping watch over existing one.

>>96698820
I mean the players guide is going to have just that and is crowdfunding now. By the end of the month all that stuff will be out in manuscript form.

>>96696538
are you genuinely retarded?

>>96696825
you are genuinely retarded wow, he didn't need it you just completely misread the post and sperged. buy a fucking add, you faggot

>>96700480
>>96700494
Schizo/bot post.

>>96694677 (OP)
Imagine spending time and money making a commercial niche product only to use that cover.
Oof

>>96701762
I thought that was a placeholder for the early release. Are they actually going to put that on the book?!

>>96701762
Could be worse, they used AI art for the cover of Abyssals

>>96694677 (OP)
Ugly, low-effort, blackified, bronze-DTRPG-seller-level, homebrew cover that is about as meaningless as one can get. Ouch, this will be dead within a year.

>>96700766
seethe post :)

>>96697490
i dunno i fuck with the memori and epochs because i am really into cultist simulator and it's secret history lore

>>96703737
Where can I find info on these Memori?

>>96704025
the preview for the players guide is in new vola

they are pretty much sorcerers who are convinced that we are all in a bad future so they are trying to find epochs (pockets of alternative timelines) and find a way to fix or resets ours, save people stuck in them... or just exploid them, loot them and use the people in there for experiments and the way it's written makes me beliefe that some of them might be originally from epochs

their sacrifice is also pretty easy to quantify
>The Memori sacrifice mementos, deathly remains, grave markers, remembrances, or written histories of certain events
and i would personally add trinkets from epochs to that

>>96704665
Thanks for the info, I really want to try & like this game but just reading the Gate Openers section is exactly the kind of shit that was setting my teeth on edge about the rest of the book. They use curse every other fucking word. Curse is so fucking forced. They just mean magic half the time & not actual fucking curses. What is "cursed" about a magic sword? The Heirlooms in the book are straightforward bonuses. No fucking "curses" on them. Also, constantly stealing & breaking magic items just to get a spell off is retarded. The spell isn't gonna be worth it 99% of the time.

Why are there no Hermetics or Void Engineer types in this book that just want to study magic, exploit it & sniff sulphur or drink mercury for their drawback? Nah a sorcerer needs to burn some kids thesis paper to create a one time bag of holding trick. They have to smash priceless relics of the orient to get a single lightningbolt that might not even be effective. They gotta crush the skull of King Tut to read the mind of the bartender to see if he might be lying. I don't think I'll ever find a worth while urban fantasy game

>>96704879
i think the venators (hunters) that come in the players guide might be more your stuff perhaps? they can use ritual magic even better than the accursed and use heirlooms normally and get their entanglement from hunting their choosen prey and it's really hunting not always destroying, some are crusaders against monster some we are told are more like stalkers of the supernatural, some want to lock them up for study etc

the only downside these guys have is that they have to resist ending up too obsessed with the hunt, but we don't know how this works mechanically yet

>>96704953
My issue is that they overuse the word curse to the point that it's meaningless. To the writers of this book they use curse to mean magic because they are trying to be thematic & different but it doesn't come across that way. It just seems like a 14 year olds bad fan fiction, or a feminine Tumblr type trying to make the new "Charmed"/Supernatural

Second, none of the sorcerers actually come off as sorcerers/wizards/witches in any classical sense, no learning lost arcane knowledge (that isnt soon deleted from reality to pay for a spell. Sacrificing is an okay mechanic, what do we see sorcerers in fiction sacrifice? Blood, animals, resources, sanity, humanity, time, freedom, etc. Like, if I could mix reagents that I spent resources on to fuel my magic that makes sense, if I had to do meditations & oblations to a spiritual entity or God for my magic that makes sense. But that's not what the Curse-sorcerers do. They are spell addicts that... destroy magical gear that most people would want to hang on to, give away "secrets" & knowledge, that must constantly be ramped up, Connections, "anonymity", etc. no real guides on that either. You cant even mix & match the way you approach it either, & GM fiat is a bitch. While I understand there needs to be a drawback & a cost, it's complete bullshit that is so expensive & esoteric to a player that I can't see more than one or two spells ever being cast in an adventure, & more to it, the spells aren't even that good. I'm sure the Hunter's by another name will be just as obtuse

>>96694677 (OP)
>borne
slop alert

>>96704879
>They just mean magic half the time & not actual fucking curses.
The difference in this case is largely academic. With the first comes the second. Curses are magical, a lot of magic is the wilful direction of a curse's power.

>The Heirlooms in the book are straightforward bonuses. No fucking "curses" on them.
Honestly, this is a bit of a bizarre stance to me. Because curses under your understanding of them can obviously be beneficial to the practioner. You don't seem annoyed that when a witch curses a cop that only the cop suffers. So what's the difference in making a sword that does the same deal? You imbue the sword with the dangerous thing you would do and then it does that thing when you swing it. It's cursed by way of doing that effect. Cursed by way of having the magic of a curse bound to it.

>>96705027
>Sacrificing is an okay mechanic, what do we see sorcerers in fiction sacrifice? Blood, animals, resources, sanity, humanity, time, freedom, etc... But that's not what the Curse-sorcerers do.
Trolling?

>>96705027
What do you mean that you can't mix and match?

>two new primals.
>ice and earth.
They really were saving some elements for later, wind still is missing

>>96705317
The magic item eaters cant sacrifice a secret, or burn a painting to pay for their spell, or vice versa.

>>96705085
What curse specifically? Just because you disagree or dont understand doesnt mean im trolling.

>>96704665
>they are pretty much sorcerers who are convinced that we are all in a bad future so they are trying to find epochs (pockets of alternative timelines) and find a way to fix or resets ours, save people stuck in them... or just exploid them, loot them and use the people in there for experiments and the way it's written makes me beliefe that some of them might be originally from epochs
If one of my players want to do a lesbian memori, I'm gonna forbid them instantly.

>>96701908
>Ugly, low-effort, blackified, bronze-DTRPG-seller-level, homebrew cover that is about as meaningless as one can get. Ouch, this will be dead within a year.
But enough about WoD5.

>>96707201
Its just games in general right now

>>96694677 (OP)
Why didn't they just release more stuff for the Chronicles of Darkness instead?

>>96707824
Paradox canceled the line to prop up 5WoD

>>96706465
Sorcerers can sacrifice more than their Family's special thing.

>>96706465
The trolling is you going "why can't sorcerers sac things like in other fiction" then listing basically everything called out as a sorcerer sacrifice here.

>>96708905
Where is that?
>>96709502
They do a piss poor job of presenting it that way. Just read like five different flavors of milquetoast liberalism that cant decide on any kind of identity, culture or underlying metaphysical interpretation. Author must be cursed

>We're the freaks. We're the outcasts
>We're nothing like you. You're past due
>We will eclipse you. We're the aliens
>We're the refugees. We walk among you
>We're right behind you. Your time is past
>Your kind won't last. We're the dust-born
>This bug is airborne. We're the new porn
>Our kind is newborn. We're the dust-born
>This bug is airborne. We're the new porn
>Our kind is newborn. We're the CURSEBORNE!
Sorry I couldn't resist

>>96710077
Did you just skip over all the rules then?

>>96710255
You're assuming he read the rules, it's just another /tg/ tradcath larper angry about a game for culture war reasons. They don't read.

>>96694677 (OP)
I'm still reading through the first chapter of the book. Is Curseborne meant to be this... hopeful and optimistic?

So far it's just been Dominic Toretto takes on the World of Darkness + a helping of therapyspeak

>>96710435
"There Is Hope" is in the core concepts.

>>96710132
kek

>>96710446
Yeah, there's no hope for this game though

>>96710435
It is a counter argument against 5WoD

>>96710372
Just seems like an insane waste of energy to invent a version of the rules to get mad at when the rules do the thing they ostensibly want.

>>96695747
that art is some of the worst ive seen in a long long time.
truly sad

>>96710774
>Counter argument
An actual counter argument against V5 would be a radical, unsafe, powerful response with counterculture. As it stands this is just as bland if not more than Paradox slop.

>>96710132
Lmao

Any word on if there will be more Lineages or just these five?

>>96710805
lmao holy fuck I missed that while skimming the thread
what the fuck man

>>96696059
It's sad, there are a million different ways to make make a cool and/or interesting more modern urban version of a major arcana - this is actively deciding for the millionth time to do some extra lame pseudo-progressive slop instead.

>>96710999
/tg/ just doesn't get it, retreading exactly the same failures that ruined every single other progressive game is a metaphor for the heroine's journey that all transfolx have to go through in a society fraught with systemic transbiopoc-targeted violence

>>96710911
Hunters are in the player's guide, but they're not Accursed so we're not really sure how that works. Their rules will be out by the end of the month though,

>>96710999
What's actually the problem with it/what would make it better?

>>96711145
This entire thread is full of people complaining about specifics, read your own thread you retarded shill holy fuck you lazy piece of shit

>>96696059
This legit looks like some art you’d see in some old 90s game and nu-/tg/ is sperging out over retarded American culture war shit that’s already outdated.

>>96711151
It's full of vague complaints. No one seems to be able to say anything more than a gesture towards some ideological stance.

So what is specifically the problem, why is that thing a problem for the purpose of that piece of art, and what could be done to change it?

>>96711165
I'm pretty sure it's a direct reference to MtAs

>>96711176
>I'm a lazy piece of shit
bla bla bla if you can't be asked to read your own fucking thread you should go back to where you belong and stop asking us to help your fix your shit

>>96711197
Seems an awfully strong reaction to a polite request for some intellectual honesty. It's not a lot to ask for a bit of good faith and for you to articulate your stance. The three comments in this thread that offer any sort of critique aren't specifics beyond a distaste for the character's design on seemingly ideological grounds, and it being obviously the thing it is. Neither of those are substantive or even particularly relevant as to its quality. Getting irate to deflect from that doesn't change anything other than for you to now be mad.

>>96711078
Cool. So MAYBE a chance for something Changeling-adjacent eventually.

>>96711078
Are hunters supposed to be just normalfags or something like the imbued?

>>96711251
Maybe? Fae are a whole big deal in this setting so they might not do something as direct as a Fae-derived Lineage, and Outcasts also cover a decent chunk of things. But there are cuckoos and doppelgangers so who knows.

>>96711265
I think it might be a mix of both. Venators in the core book have a generic Venator statblock, and Sisters of the Cross who're both mundane, but also Red Riding Hoods who're cursed. I don't know much about the playable Venators other than they'll have curse dice but no spells, and focus on items and rituals instead?

>>96695863
Not really. Old WtA art was muscular and monstrous, while the physique of that werewolf is very soft and human, intentionally avoiding any muscular definition. It's a very mundane, mediocre adult body with a photo-bashed wolf's head pasted on top of it, instead of a big stylised burly wolf monster.

>>96710774
Ok, I guess that makes sense

It just feels a bit too bright for me

>>96711299
I was with you until you said it was photobashed.

>>96711327
The world is pretty fucked all in all but I didn't get much hope from chapter one all in all. There is some hope in your goals but everything else seems pretty miserable.

>>96711299
Now THIS has personality.

>>96710774
Counter how?
>Look here you can be even lamer watch this!

Nobody asked what curseborne is and advertising is against the rules.

>>96711329
It very obviously is. Please get some discernment, for fucks sake.

>>96711299
What's the woof going into 12 ft tall killing machine mode to kill a couple ravers for?

>>96711448
He's Chinese, he saw the sign on the closet and thought he'd give the girls a surprise.

>>96711424
that kills all topics about anything that isn't generals generalfag

>>96711432
I don't think you know what wolves look like or what photobashing is.

>>96710911
they say there's more, but haven't made any yet

>>96711370
didnt read too deep into curseborne, but V5 standard mode of play being "you are a fucking loser vampire that feels sad about being a vampire" is fucking gay, and I'm glad they are getting called out for it

>>96711568
It's /tg/'s lazy adjective for thing they think is bad.

>>96711601
CB is similarly street level but there is certainly more emphasis on doing the stuff you can, and being able to do things at all. It's not at the level of blowing up pentex but you can do a murder mystery to find out the killer was a sentient night club and then kill it. V5 also has worse powers. Most of the spells here scale pretty well and rites are pretty potent too.

>>96711666
>CB is similarly street level but there is certainly more emphasis on doing the stuff you can, and being able to do things at all.
Nice try Satan, but Hunter the Vigil did that before and much better might I add.

>>96711685
Yes, HtV is also good. But the conversation was about V5 which HtV isn't.

>>96711519
Took me a second but that made me laugh.

>>96711666
>CB is similarly street level
How much of an emphasis is there on 'Family' politics? I've only glanced at it, but it seems to be a major facet.

>>96696758
BRB buying all their books

>>96711241
shut up and fuck off lazy trash

>>96711807
I was very disappointed to learn that Thirsty Sword Lesbians wasn't as hot as it sounded.

>>96711601
This thing is no way in hell better than V5. They're on the same level of sanitized corporate slop.

>>96711946
The last thing you need is literally V2 Quickstart, its free.

>>96711946
What makes it sanitised?

>>96711241
Good faith has long been spent. Its the company's turn to do everything possible to cater to our sensibilities if they want us to engage. We've been told for far too long that this isnt our space, not our game, we arent wanted here, etc.

>>96712710
So your acting like a faggot because the game devs made you want to suck dick?

>>96710372
>>96710255
>>96710784
Sacrifices
>A Sorcerer may perform a ritual act of sacrifice at any time
to earn 1 curse die. This sacrifice must be something MEANINGFUL to the character. This [IS ILLDEFINED ARBITRARY & COMPLETELY RELIANT ON GM FIAT]
The character must spend a scene preparing and performing the ritual and sacrifice. The ritual can be as elaborate or as
sparse as the player wants it to be, though if she finds ways to
include the rest of her crew, add 1 Momentum to the pool. The
sacrifice typically results in the Sorcerer taking the Loss status
effect representing the item lost or bond broken, though the
Storyguide can suggest 1 injury or an alternative status effect
such as Dazed (for mental impairment), Destroyed Reputation
(for trust broken), Exhausted (for energy lost), or Unlucky (for
dabbling with curses) if appropriate.

No where in there am I seeing spend some time doing arcane research, burning some reagents, mixing potions, or chanting the name of a Babylonian god, forgoing the meat of the lamb, meditating etc.

Their examples are giving up your significant other, destroying the car you've been relying on for years, cutting off your finger. That gives you 1 curse dice. How many MEANINGFUL sacrifices does a single person really have in life? Not fucking many. And you're supposed to be ADDDICTED to making these sacrifices for a spell like growing some plants.

In WoD, you'd have stuff like Tremere Thaumaturgy & most blood sorceries would ask for Vitae & then some other components usually not to difficult to procure, but suitably esoteric. Something you could expect a Warlock to have in a cabinet somewhere or could get with a quick stop at a store, sure, if you were caught with your pants down you might have to get creative, but for the most part you could expect to have it, Even Mages in WoD which are largely unrestricted, needed accoutrements relating to their paradigm & whatnot. Continued~

>>96712886
So are you actually not reading what you're posting then? I said they can sacrifice more than what you suggested and now you're posting the thing that says they can do that.

>>96712886
~ given the rules in Curseborne I can't simply spend a few hours of my day doing pseudo-spiritual things like a monk, or follow a long list of kabbalistic laws to justify my magic, I can't just carry a handful of mystical objects or reagents which have been ritualistically prepared in order to cast my magic. I just have to leave my family, destroy my car, cut off a few fingers, ruin my career, & disappear from my best friends life forever & that gets me a whooping handful of spells, after which I either suicide from depression or I run out of MEANINGFUL sacrifices & Magic eats my eyeballs. I give every Sorcerer a few years tops, how the hell is that sustainable?

"Real world" magic isn't like that. I learn the secret name & that's it. I sacrifice a goat once a week, i wear a ruby ring, & I huff incense, I wear a symbolic mantle of office & hold a scepter, I carry some amulets after chanting some stuff on a weekend, I fast two times a year or special dates. A wizard is all about prep time, ceremony, etc. Not this bullshit where you destroy your entire fucking life to cast a couple of spells

>>96712898
Specifically when you are zero casting it says that you have to sacrifice according to Lineage

Damnation
A Sorcerer has a burning desire to use her magic in any
situation. The more she uses her magic, the more she wants
to keep using it. Any time the character’s curse dice pool
reaches 0, she loses control and casts spells without restraint.
The Sorcerer must use magic on all actions, even if it is wild
overkill for the situation. She can only cast magic as fast cast
(complete with the Moderate Complication detailed in Fast
Casting, p. XX) until she makes a sacrifice to regain control,
and even non-spell actions are considered fast casting with the
Physical attunement.
Resolution: She must sacrifice something meaningful to
her based on her Major Path, taking the Loss status effect if
her Major Path sacrifice curse status effect wouldn’t be more
appropriate (Storyguide choice). Once she does so, she gains 1
curse die and resolves her Damnation. If the sacrifice causes
problems for her crew, gain 1 Momentum as well.

But keep saying I'm trolling instead of actually talking about the problems im talking about

>>96712941
You said
>Sacrificing is an okay mechanic, what do we see sorcerers in fiction sacrifice? Blood, animals, resources, sanity, humanity, time, freedom, etc... But that's not what the Curse-sorcerers do.
I said
>Sorcerers can sacrifice more than their Family's special thing.
You said
>Where is that?
You then found the bit of rules that talk about it but forgot to include it in your above post.
>A Sorcerer may perform a ritual act of sacrifice at any time to earn 1 curse die. This sacrifice must be something meaningful to the character. This could be anything from sacrificing time, wealth, bonds of friendship, wellbeing, energy, and of course a physical item.
There is the thing that says what I said it says.

>>96712372
Read the fucking thread.
>>96711954
The hell is V2? You mean VtM 2E? If that's the case it shits all over this thing.

>>96712964
So you're just being a pedant? I don't give a shit.

>>96713004
Then why did you make a big scene about being wrong on this? That was the entire thing I was talking to you about. It's not pedantry, it was the only thing I mentioned.

>>96711145
NTA, but honestly all the art in the book would benefit if it went through color adjustment and shadow/highlight editing in photoshop.
I'm not sure if the issue is intentional due pictures being meant for low quality printing or something and they just look ass on screen, but a lot could be done by just turning the colors a bit darker in general and increasing the highlights.

>>96713016
Also NTA but the PDF is low res and all the art looks pretty crunch because of it. It makes everything look like ass

>>96712886
>>96712928
Yeah, CB's sorcerers cater to a pretty different fantasy than the stuff you want. They get very cheap but more fickle casting at the cost of having a bit of a harder time accruing their reserves. You obviously can spend some time doing research, mixing potions, and whatever as part of a ritual because that is just energy, resources, and time. The basic set of sacrifices. You're just conflating the mechanical resolution with the narrative resolution here. They're two different methods for the same ends. Cutting your finger off is a quick and dirty thing to sacrifice in the moment. It'll do the trick but it's not like any of the Families are resorting to GBH on the regular.

>>96713030
But the books says it has to be meaningful sacrifices just to get even one curse die. It then lists mutilation & such, nothing even comparable to just mixing potions. They state that the RITUAL trappings don't matter, just the sacrifice. They even list whatever they're calling tilts now like "Destroyed Reputation" "Bleeding" etc. So if your ritual is mixing potions it'd be like, "let's dissolve my wedding ring in acid cause I'm never gonna see her again" or "let me turn my severed pinkie I to an amulet that makes me invisible for a scene"

There's no rules for lesser BS. A MEANINGFUL sacrifice of resources is the car you've always had & could rely on. Not just some sort of expensive reagents you had to waste a whole paycheck on. A MEANINGFUL sacrifice of time is idk, deleting your entire summer? The book is very clear that there isnt any real difference between a slow ritual or a fast ritual. If you want a curse die or a spell, you have to give the equivalent of a pinkie finger or a wife, there are no lesser costs

Sure, Curse Sorcerers might not be what I want them to be, & maybe that's fine for the stupid fuckers who made it, but I'm still allowed to think it's retarded & gay.

>>96713107
Just because some things are fast and destructive doesn't mean that's the only source of meaning. And you have to know that's not the case because other anon posted the thing you skipped over that defined other things as meaningful. I really feel like if you just read the thing you'd understand it better. I don't care if you end up liking it or hating it more but please stop trying to get spoonfed.

>>96712768
Cope seethe your game sucks

Okay so if I play a Network guy, I can take the flexible spellcasting edge to give all my spells the elemental attunement, then use that with the Motif that grants me a favor from any one person effected by an elemental spell if I bleed a curse die. So I could then use something innocuous like Mental Vivisection and just gain a random favor? Or you could even Power Tap, hurt them/drain their curse dice, and gain a favor at no cost to myself?

>>96704665
>they are pretty much sorcerers who are convinced that we are all in a bad future so they are trying to find epochs (pockets of alternative timelines) and find a way to fix or resets ours, save people stuck in them... or just exploid them, loot them and use the people in there for experiments

This sounds a great deal like the "evil" faction from Continuum, Roleplaying in the Yet (the Narcissists).
Is there some kind of paradox-based currency or magic that you need to generate for time travel too?

>>96713922
The new spells and rituals that will come with the book are not in the preview yet so. not right now, but it's possible they will add that

>>96696689
>FATE
EH has stated Fate sells poorly; anymore, it is more due to their PbtA and FitD stuff that sells well, like Monster of the Week, Thirsty Sword Lesbians, etc. The last successful Fate product was the Fate of Cthulhu KS they ran; most Fate stuff is PWYW, and people generally just grab it.
>>96696758
Wait, what?! I've followed most of the rest, but this slipped past me; where can I read more on that?
It's also well-known that Fred Hicks is not a person you want to offend if you want to stay in the industry, and he isn't a nice person; most of his old team has gone elsewhere in the industry very quietly, including people who worked on Curseborne.
>>96710805
Yeah, I'm not impressed; Tim Bradstreet, this is not.

>>96694677 (OP)
How might one get a friend who took a look at the first draft documents to take another look and hopefully like Curseborne better this time around, does the art and shit help that much? What about the Player's Guide content so far? Heck, what are the selling points of the system/setting in general versus its failures? Especially compared to CofD.

>>96694908
>>96694811
it's only "monsters hidden" in-so-far as monsters hide. there are creatures and places and things humans can't see or interact with but that's either due to their inherent nature or a direct supernatural effect rather than a cosmic principle. a spirit can't be seen because they typically have no bodies. an outside realm can't be entered because their fundamental laws are too different to interact with for most mortals. the accursed keep low profiles both for practical reasons of clandestine organization and because more people interacting with them tends to spread and activate curses like wildfire, which makes the world more volatile

>>96717746
some of the player's guide content is in newvola

>>96717746
It'll depend a lot on what they didn't enjoy the first time. I think layout and art makes a book a lot more engaging to read, but I think the more important part is that the first draft had a lot of fairly terrible mechanics in it and they redid all of those bits to be actually good now. So as someone who didn't really enjoy that stuff in the manuscript I think it's well worth a second look now because there are some really major differences.

Primal and Outcasts have whole new systems regarding their transformations. An Outcast who's a retributive angel or whatever doesn't just get 1 hit on social checks, they get wings and their touch can sear your flesh. Or they can get that, it's very open to the player where you get a free choice of special movement, a chunk of tags to build a weapon from, and a couple of extra bonuses. Primal get two tables of bonuses to choose when they use wild form. One default and one from their Family. So cats, dogs, and fishmen aren't all identical now. The Dead got pretty big rewrites too, Hungry got a lot more detail about feeding, and Sorcerers only got some minor tweaks. All the Linages got pretty big overhauls to how their Damnations work though so now there are rules for how to eat souls as a Vorare, etc. Spells got a lot of love as well and are more robust and interesting over all with more clear structures and costs.

All the in-character explanations of things have been given a greater degree of clarity. Characters no long walk back or second guess statements they've made and there is more definitive statements about how the Lineages work and what the core themes and ideas of the Families are. It's all just makes more sense now and doesn't leave you annoyed about unreliable narrators.

>What about the Player's Guide content so far?
Do far it's 9 new Families that are all pretty cool, options for not having a Family that I'm not sold on yet, and some word of god fluff about Family gatherings that helps flesh them out.

>>96717746
>Curseborne Pros
Core book is about a variety of monster types that can easily intermix, and more variance within those. i.e the shapeshifter splat isn't just werewolves but a variety of things with a variety of themes
All in one core book that isn't missing any major elements and support multiple modes of play
Potency stat isn't an XP tax
Easier to homebrew new character options
Universal enemy creation system taking the best bit from CofD's Antagonists, Horrors, etc
Better chapter ordering (probably layout and editing too but the book isn't done)
Building on 20+ years of experience, and starting in a "2e" of its system

>Cons
Less depth on any specific splat
Core book doesn't scale as high, so no elder PCs currently
Doesn't have 20 years of support, so less detail, less stuff, less options

>Eventual Pros
Three tiers of play that have more significant changes, each will get new tiers of spells for example

>Neutral
Different systems, quite similar but also very different and while I would generally say CB's Storypath Ultra system is stronger overall, it's going to be personal preference. Some things I prefer, other things I don't. It's more streamlined and has less clunky subsystems, but that might mean less of the bits you liked
No major power level variance between the splats
They're tonally different, it's more punk than CofD, more found family than oWoD etc
The setting is also very different, less about layers of reality and a handful of big realms and more about a myriad of realms outside of reality (and bleeding in) and an web of curses that tie things all together similarly to fate. No real masquerade, but not all out in the open either
It's a more cohesive setting, everything feels like it's connecting back to some shared elements rather than say WtF and GtSE basically being entirely separate. Curses are very universal, all the splats pull from them, and it's also had a greater effect on culture
A lot of in-character text for splat descriptions

>>96718174
Not this anon but I'll add a few more
>Con

They use the word Curse a LOT. But they dobt actually give specifics or define things. Its all just "curses" "pull on a curse", "gather curses around you" what specific curses? Who the fuck knows outside of the specific Lineage damnations

>Con
No real lore. Some internet used an AI to drum up some Backrooms type creepypastas and everything else is just WoD with even more numbers filed off than CofD was

>Con

Dripping if leftist rhetoric and zoomer speak. To the point where I can ge downright incoherent. This is dont on purpose so they dont actually need to write anything of substance. What's curse power like? Its lit, its got rizz, its the glizzy. But oh no its comes with the fanum tax on god fr fr no CAP be careful out there senpai.

>Pro

Some spells are shared so you dont have to have a bunch of repeated stuff that does functionally the same thing in different splats. That's really nice to be honest and allows for different splats to vibe together a little bit. Sort of how WoD/CofD had different factions that just repeated the same five tropes for every splat (The Leaders, the Fighters, the Occult dudes, the Socialites, etc) now your NOT Gangrel can share abilities with the NOT Get of Fenris

>Con

Everything runs on curses as a resource instead of distinct resource stats like Vitae or Primal Rage. So everything starts too feel a little bit too samey.

>>96694677 (OP)
there's a endless talk about curses but little detail on the constitution of a curse in and of itself. no mechanics for encountering them, no rules for their interaction, nothing except language determining whether one starts, ends, grows or shrinks. it seems just like a freehand word to include whatever they want situationally

>>96718591
Call it bait but it's not wrong

>>96696364
>Also, if you were to create a new Family of your own, what would you make?

Undead flesh eating zombies or masked slashers in the vein of Jason Voorhees and Michael Myers.

>>96718591
>>96719283
You don't pass, go back

>>96696364
Sorcerer Lineage
>Aetherics
These are the classic Merlin types, they study the ephemeral, what brings everything together & more importantly what tears them apart. They tend to loose themselves over time, call it dementia, amnesia or some wasting disease with some odd guy's name, eventually they just tend to unravel, their mortal shell burned up by their aetheric soul. They may seem like scatterbrains & lazy academics but no one brings the boom like they do. They have a habit of playing kingmaker, trying to control & divine what happens next. Dominion is important to them, probably because when you can barely remember yourself you focus on controling your surroundings, many are fierce nationalists, 2A supporters & such. Their safe houses are VERY safe. Their vaults protected by all manner of curses & illusions. Just hope they remember you when you visit else they might think you're some stranger & sic their hounds on you.

Sacrifice
>Self
Secret Spell
>Haunted Ground (they call it Genius Loci)

>Thaumaturgy
>Illusion
>Consuming Siphon? Maybe Telelocation?

What do you guys think? I'm open to suggestion

>>96718543
Thanks for posting the hard-hitting truth that the other anon neglected to mention. I was thinking of getting into this game, but now I know better.

>>96718591
Anon if that was bait why would that quote be in my pdf?

>>96720590
NTA but in the interest of good faith discourse only 2 of those cons make much sense. They do use the word curse a lot, and all the splats do run on the same resource. Although for the former it's much the same way that spirits are a big part of woof, and for the latter I think a shared resource is important to not make a game with multiple splats not a nightmare. The other two things are genuine brain rot. There is easily over 60 pages of lore, and that's a conservative estimate. It uses the word "liminalities" but that covers everything from your basic haunted house to fairy rings that snatch you up rather than any sort of modern "liminal horror" as a genre. Although you can be doing that if you want. I checked every slang word they used and of the list it's only lit that shows up in its use as slang and it's in two sentences. So it is actually bait as it turns out.

>>96719283
>>96718591
Page 139

>First of all, Primal shapeshifting is lit. They also understand the
complexity of Family loyalty and ties that bind. They make for good,
loyal friends, who won’t shit on you for being a little extra.

>>96720593
Lol, if I ever play this game my Sorcerer is gonna call Sacrifice "fanum tax"

>>96720618
I mean, that is proving its bait. Unless the phrase "a little extra" is "downright incoherent" to you but that's more embarrassing than spending your time trolling for attention here.

>>96720616
Hyperbole for humor my friend. It doesn't have exactly what I posted but it's written with "hip" zoomer speak & liberal millennial redditer words in every narrated section.

>>96720632
If you're making a joke then it's funny but if you're trying to portray it as a real problem then it's bait. The worst example you were able to give was a single very understandable sentence which does render any critique pretty hollow.

>>96720618
As someone who has a lot of late teens to early 20s family members (which I think the PoV are??) that is how most of them sound

>>96720628
Are you gonna keep moving goalposts? There are parts of the book which are just a ton of bullshit. Page 136-137 narrator keeps making asides & rambles about something called a polycule, whatever that is, & jumps all over the place to seem relatable but it's just drivel. Some young liberal femists intern's idea of how their fanfic OC would talk. Idk about you but my eyes start to glaze over

>>96720660
I'm not moving the goalpost. That's what the post said.

>>96720651
Six of one, half dozen of the other, I'm not trying to be too harsh about it, & I was mostly making a hyperbolic joke about it, but I do personally fucking hate it, im a curmudgeon. It's just an opinion, I'm allowed to have them & you're allowed to think it's a stupid one. Mostly I'm getting mad at the resident shitter who can't stand to let someone have a differing opinion about things. Saying that it DOESNT exist, when it clearly does

>>96720672
I just don't feel like posting all the examples, but you do you & keep pretending that it doesn't exist

>>96720678
You can't expect to throw out an overexaggerated opinion from a self-admitted position of annoyance and have people to treat it seriously. You're allowed to like what you like, hate what you hate, and express it how you wish. But you shouldn't get surprised when people treat that as bait and tell you your exaggerations aren't accurate. Just because you know what you're actually talking about is some buried nugget of truth doesn't mean anyone else intuits that from the shitposting. If you want people to take your opinion seriously just say it in a manner that is worth engaging with.

>>96720618
kek they're really quiet after this dropped

>>96720577
Gonna go with Thaum, Tele, & Illusion, Siphon isn't quite Merlin enough, & telelocation works better for the Aether vibes

Motif

When casting spells with the Liminal Quality you can purchase a +1 enhancement to your defense for 1 hit

Advances for the Bombardment spell cost one less bled/held curse die.

When casting Elemental Spells, you can bleed a curse die to give a target the Terrified Status

>>96720710
Or people could choose to be less of a reactionary over a little bit of criticism. Unless this is a fucking shillthread with one of the creators getting asschapped which seems more likely than some random sperg getting offended

>>96720829
Or, you could not post bait and we could all just have a nice calm chat about the various things this game does and doesn't do well? Don't pretend to be retarded and then you won't get treated like a retard. It's basic board etiquette.

>>96720837
Don't care. Here's a Con. In the equipment section they have stun rounds with the tags Electrified & Stunning. But there is no Electrfied tag to be found, what's up with that?

>>96720846
If you didn't care you'd have stopped complaining about it already. Electrified is a tag from other SPU games. Probably just didn't get dropped in with the table, or the tag deleted. Either or.

>>96720871
Nah I mean I don't care to have a calm discussion.

>>96720879
Then have fun with your self-imposed exile to assblast island.

>>96720821
Inheritance
>Your aetheric soul burns brightly, you can apply the Elemental Attunement, Elemental Resistance, or Fast (vehicle) quality to something you touch as long as you hold a curse die. This item also gains +1 Enhancement to its use

Any suggestions on Stat distribution?

>>96720897
Only one item can be granted his boon & it only lasts for the scene. Should I maybe change it to bleeding a curse die? I kind of like the idea of holding the die instead as it's like you are full of power & letting that power eek into your gear, rather than casting a sort of mini spell.

>>96694677 (OP)
What tips does one have for playing as a Sorcerer? Especially one that wants to limit their magic use as much as possible.

>>96722962
They dont actually care about talking about it bro. They don't engage with actual discussion if the product, its a shillthread, they only pop up if a negative opinion is posted & only so they can shout it down

>>96722962
Limit your magic use? Invest in Skills, Attributes, Edges, and take spells that give you access to tools from Telelocation or Acquisition.

>>96722962
Take the merit or whatever they call it, which adds an additional tag to your spells so you can trigger your Motif options more. Take Loophole so you can pad your curse dice & make less sacrifices. What kind of sorcerer are you looking to play because that will effect my recommendations

>>96725262
Why would you take all your starting dots worth of edges that grant bonuses to the stuff you're trying to avoid doing?

>>96725262
NTA, but one of my friends wants to GM for us. I wanna do a Network Sorcerer.
What your recommendations would you give?

>>96725933
Wonderful! Im also planning on playing a Network Sorcerer, though Im focused more or reducing costs of magic than going without magic >>96713563 this was my thoughts. Take PowerTap, you only need to hold curse dice to use it, so you dont have to spend anything to use it, & using it gives you more vurse dice.

Take the motif to give me favors & make bonds fast.

Declare bonds as much as possible but also burn them when needed to gather enough curse dice to always have PowerTap. Occasional burn die for favors when needed. Use favors & bonds as much as possible & rely on PowerTap when needed. Probably find a way to monetize Telelocation Spells so I can gain favors & wealth from people who want to move stuff without other people knowing. Run a smuggling project on the side, meet new people & get them indebted to me as much as possible

>>96694677 (OP)
Can a curse sorcerer sacrifice money if they love money enough?

>>96727413
Yes. Wealth is one of the basic sacrifice examples.

Can a curse sorcerer sacrifice cum if they love cock enough?

>>96699865
You will never be trad

>>96727457
Time to Hustle and grind Sorcererbros

>>96727472
If it was following more traditional ideas of magic & less some dumb basic bitch who watch too much of The Magicians tv show, id say sex magic is very much a thing & yeah, if you want to include sponge as a reagent of your magic id let you. In CBs case id say youd maybe need to tie it to accepting a status effect liked exhausted or drained & the ritual would be sex/masturbation if youre lonely. If you include another character remember to add 1 momentum!

>>96726291
Explendid, anon. Thank you for your insight!

>>96727577
First off, The Magicians is horny as fuck. Secondly, you can obviously do sex rituals.

>>96727517
I mean Network bros can declare Bonds as soon as they meet someone & then sacrifice that bond for curse die, so you dont even need to loose money, just constantly turn & burn people, we can be best friends for a hot minute then you'll wonder what was going on with that rando who bought you a drink

>>96727590
Yes the Magicians was degenerate trash, but they didnt actually really invoke traditional sex magic that exists in real life. No nuance, no framing device, no actual magic

>>96727607
Magic isn't real. It's all made up. You can just make up more. It's all the same.

>>96717981
Even that stuff is only half the truth. Things like open liminalities exist so people can just accidentally walk into some fucked nightmare place, or be drawn into one by the liminality itself. Ghosts are present enough that ghost hunting is the most popular thing on tv.

>>96727612
Its called drawing from real world examples. Its like calling a bug and elf. You can call a sheep's tail a foot, it doesnt make it a foot.

>>96727586
Youre welcome. As much as the Sorcerer section bugs the fuck out of me im willing to work within the mechanics to make something good.

Another status could be broken bonds. Maybe the sex left someone feeling used, or it literally took the intimacy out of it to fuel the spell so now what bonds of friendship or love was there just isnt. I think any status would be fine as long as you can link it to the fallout of having sex for magic

>>96727820
Fiction evolves, anon.

Is Brucato trolling /tg/ or something?

>>96727852
Nah, it's DaveB again.

>>96727864
DaveB doesn't give a shit about real world magic. Brucato is the one cumming himself to death over it.

>>96727592
>The most powerful sorcerers are BPD assholes
Truly, they are curseborne™

>>96694677 (OP)
I'm still reading the book. Where we at fellow munchkins?

>>96728264
Network Sorcerers kill everything & force you to be their buddy & let them fuck your wife. PowerTap is double 9s & drains your curse dice or hurts you, so you're basically a mortal against them. They can also force you to owe them an Unexpected Favor. They can Telelocate bombs straight to your house. Social powerhouses with mobility & one of the best *guns" in the game. Soft leverage, hard leverage. They are the Curseborne version of Tremere. Ive only read some of the Lineages but im confident that a Networker played right can take on pretty much anything unless caught with their pants down & no way to teleport away.

>>96728256
It seems like in every urban fantasy game the strongest faction is the Company Men with magic powers

>>96728772
That's exactly what I wanted for a Network Sorcerer. Thank you so fucking much.

>>96728792
Just like real life

>>96728772
Imagine needing curse dice to cast spells

>>96728972
Most spells bleed curse dice, one other mix mixed build requires decent to Entanglement to work is a Hungry with Tenebrous Sight, Gloomhold, & Embraced By Darkness. Wear some Psychic Armor or something to protect yourself from the few things that can hit an intangible target & you'll pretty much be a moving ink blot that never takes damage, (unless a powerful Network Power Taps you to lower your curse dice, forcing you to manifest)

>>96729181
Imagine still needing curse dice to cast spells

>>96729345
Who casts spells without needing curse dice?

>>96729434
Real Sorcerers. Sorcerers with cojones.

>>96729443
>work
Post an example or shut up

Finished sketching out my Network Sorcerer, what do you guys think?

Concept: Corporate Cult Leader
Torments: Keep work & family seperate & Unchecked Hubris
Minor: Sorcerer
Major: Network
Attributes:
Intelligence 3
Cunning 5
Res 5

Might 2
Dex 3
Sta 2

Presence 4
Manipulation 5
Composure 5

Skills:
Culture 2
Empathy 3
Enigmas 1
Esotera 5
Persuasion 2

Edges:
Loophole
Flexible Spellcasting [Elemental] (for now, it helps bypass armor, but once you buy a Network Motif for 5 exp, you'll be able to demand favors from those you cast spells on)

In the future you're gonna want Resources & a stronghold. More Flexible Spellcasting to add Support too, that way you can demand favors & attack more than one target per Power Tap with another Network Motif. After that, Theif of Lore to get something like Illusion or Aquisition

Spells:
Power Tap
Summon Imp
Teleport

(Both PowerTap & the Imp benefit from holding 3 Curse, & the Imp will help in a ton of ways) You'll also want to pick up Alter Fate, & more Telelocation Spell

Contacts:
>Dirty High Class Lawyer: Influential, Security
This guy will protect you in legal hot water & even knows some guys he uses to protect clients off the books, increase the Bonds on this guy when you're able, & if you can give him some extra tags like Informant or Investigative it'll benefit you.

>Black Market Broker: Fence
You always need a guy to buy guns & gear from without a trail

>Book Nerd: Archive, Supernatural
Get an NPC to give you exposition cliffnotes, but only if you don't have a researcher teammmate

For how much moths came up during the kickstarter & the little quiz they had, there is a surprising lack of moths in the game

>>96731939
>Magic Saul Goodman

>>96730584
What do you mean an example? You've been giving people advice on how to make sorcerers without knowing their basic rules?

>>96727577
I fucking love her so much.

>>96733383
Lol, thats not an example. Post an example or shut up

>>96733014
Sadly ive never watched those shows, what's Saul Goodman like?

>>96733470
Slimy lawyer and conman that you love to hate and root for at the same time

>>96733455
It's just their basic rules.

>>96734053
Anything like Alan Shore from Boston Legal,

>>96734065
Not an example. Youre really bad at this

>>96732892
They're a logo and metaphor rather than a setting element.

>>96734270
Metaphor for what? Its a good logo & could be tied to some nice themes & stuff if only the writers had a little more balls to really craft a setting than too keep things so generic. Like they could build up more themes & world connections to moths. Maybe instead of the "Archivists, a family of sorcerer needs & the lore doesnt even exist", You could have "Archivists of the Moth Library, which is a liminal space with theoretically all the knowledge of every curse & its filled with dusty grey moths with strange glyphs on their wings, some say that if you see a bunch of moths grouped together the glyphs can spell out secrets the moths have eaten over the centuries"

>>96734763
* family of sorcerer nerds

>>96734763
For the PCs. Moths being drawn to lights is reflective of the game having a hopeful bent to it. Moths themselves undergo metamorphosis from a caterpillar which is similarly true of the Accused's metamorphosis via their Damnaition. Accursed are also disruptive by nature and the wider metaphor of curses are that they're connected in a tangled web of threads. Much like how a moth will gnaw through fabrics, the Accursed break those connections.

As for that idea I'm glad that's not where they're going. Not everything needs to be dialled up to 11.I don't think anyone is benefitted by writers smashing you over the head with a metaphor non-stop. Especially when it's just for a logo.

>>96694677 (OP)
>onyx path
written by retards, faggots, and troons. no thanks.

>>96734952
Bro they dialed curse up to 13 & tore the knob off. They could have leaned into moths by a fraction just to give curse some breathing room

>>96735125
You example is just doing more moths and more curses though. Curses being the magic system is fine. VtM does blood, WtA does spirits, it's all the same deal to me on that front. I don't think they need another thing to cram another thing link that in.

>>96735211
A few moths as set dressing wouldn't be the end of the world my dude. Anything to distract from all the damn cursing

https://youtu.be/TGJhxJcSGZA?si=usrC_rZk2ErAegPe

>>96735434
Set dressing would've been fine. Having Families be themed around them would've been stupid.

>>96735628
Eh, that's okay. But I love the idea of a "limimal library of all curses" that's filled with moths. I'm gonna make it a big part of my personal game. Doesn't have to be a part of any family/lineage

R8 my relics?

Sovereign Rings of Authority ***
>These ten large jeweled rings have been worn by ancient kings & great leaders over the years. While seemingly innocuous they carry great weight both physically & spiritually

Worn
Concealed
Transcendent
Stunning

Iron Fisted Diplomancy: When you strike a creature with these rings you gain +1 Enhancement bonus to Influence against the creature. This effect can stack

Hermes' Wingtips
These stylish shoes have hard gold foiled steel plates on the toe, great for kicking

Worn
Concealed
Elemental Attuned
Burning

Fancy Footwork: more an additional range band when you mptake a movement action & hold at least one curse die

>>96727879
Brucato is literaly the guy who while he believes in "real magic" also says that it has no place in tabletop games because it's too dangerous

which explains how boring the traditions have become in m20

>>96694677 (OP)
What do you guys think of the latest two Player's Guide documents, especially the one about the Orphans?

>>96737087
Link?

>>96737121
They're in the Vola.

>>96737156
What's their titles?

>>96694677 (OP)
Motherfucker, is this repackaged Beast: The Primordial? Really?

>>96737596
no it's more like urban shadows with some actual mechanics

>>96737581
most are under curseborne, one's under player's guide

>>96737632
I found it, I just didn't see it at first cause it wasn't in order. The Orphans are obviously a catch all for Catiff types & for pluging in something for those who don't like the options so far, but think their lore is sort of weak. The names are pretty stupid in my opinion, but I have the same issue with the core book too. Phantasgasmics or whatever also have redundant abilities. That could use a bit of polish. The phantomorgasms have redundant motif, & I'd prefer a loose Lineage option on top of loose Family option

>>96694677 (OP)
What are your hopes for Curseborne going forward? I’d like to see new Families and maybe even Lineages. Maybe something based on Medusa from Greek mythology. Also, anyone else want a new thread?

How exactly are Loopholes framed? They are ostensibly a sort of Liminal space/outside/shattered space that grounds all magic & the Accursed treat them as resource nodes & politically like Switzerland, which is fine in theory. But the game goes out of its way to say anyone who tried to own a space or to control it gets fucked. But how could someone NOT own/control it even with the lightest touch? Real-estate & land is the basis of anything. Somebody owns every inch of usable land everywhere on Earth. Owning magical nodes & minor places of power was a large part of past games & several urban fantasy stories/plots. Could a character with the right Edges not have a "Hotel Contidental" like in John Wick? It's kind of bullshit. Sounds like just more anarcho-socialism liberal forcing itself into the mechanics

>>96737156
The Newvola, or a different one?

>>96737596
The ways it overlaps with BtP are the ways it overlaps with every other CofD game. It's got a derived system, but otherwise it's not got much in common with it. What made you think it was a remake?

>>96738872
Lineage books, not that they'll do them, but I think a big chunk of fluff and history about a given Lineage and then some unique rules, tailored edges, extra spells and bits like that would be useful for mono-lineage games. Hopefully a lot of that stuff comes in books that covers every lineage even if I'd prefer it for a single one at once.

The PG is still going to have stuff to talk about all month too so at least once more thread probably makes sense.

>>96695863
No the difference is that 90's whitewolf was edgy and this is safeedgy bullshit pandered from the waste bin of 90's white wolf.

>>96738872
i hope they aren't gigantic pussies about metaplot and high level play. just let a game be fun for fucks sake

>>96694677 (OP)
>worries. In Curseborne, you play as Accursed, descendants of monstrous Lineages
Again?

>>96705067
What's this?

>>96741470
They're not going to write stuff out of the game, but half the point of Curseborne is to do the Scion thing and have big shifts in power tiers

>>96741470
I don't want a laundry list of powerful NPCs that are everywhere, but I do want a high power level ceiling & ancient powerful motherfuckers who are up to shit as well as a handful of lower tier people with goals & plans. With WoD, all the middle management positions were filled a thousand times over & there wasn't much space for players to move upwards, while the highest level threats were not always fleshed out enough to use. I'd prefer the opposite. Very little middle management fleshed out, so STs & players can fill the gap, but give us some cool shit at the top to contend with. Keep metaplots mostly small, or very overarching & broad strokes. I don't mind stuff like Saulot or the Eldest or the prophesies of the perfect metis, i think that only add to the lore & the weight of the setting. What I don't want is every city completely fleshed out with a cast of high level assholes the PCs aren't supposed to mettle with too much.

>>96738872
I think stuff like Medusa could be done with a few spells more than as a standalone Lineage or Family. A spell like "Gorgon's Breath or "Medusa's Gaze" could cover the heavy lifting & maybe give us a Naga Primal Family for snakes & crocodiles & stuff that isn't quite covered by Raptors. I'm really interested in what the players guide will give us. Like, the Keepers of the Broken Vine are supposed to be druids or whatever but there's no real plant based powers in the Outcast list. They get to borrow one Sorcery spell but there's only two plant related spells in the book & both of them are Invocations. It'd be nice to see so,e other options especially fae type stuff because the Outcasts lean far more Angel/Demon than Fairy. Hopefully the Prendergasts kinda fill some gaps. A dreamscape/eldritch horror Outcast would be cool too. A Wilbur Whateley type Lineage of inbred cthulhu freaks would be nice.

More brokeness to add to the Network PowerTap sorcerer. If you have Entanglement 2 & the Spell Preservation you are completely immune to all damage as a reflexive action if you hold 3 curse dice & bleed one. Good thing you can Power Tap for more. Also, Support Spells gain the Shockwave tag so your imp or another player/important NPC can also be invincible if you're willing to pay.

>>96742389
Or you can just cast it for free

>>96742389
Preservation doesn't anyone in your crew immune to damage, it makes them immune to negative status effects. You can also just cast it for free as other anon mentioned.

>>96742389
Preservation doesn't make anyone in your crew immune to damage, it makes them immune to negative status effects. You can also just cast it for free as other anon mentioned.

>>96742421
Nah, it does, it just also does no statuses. Although I'd argue it really shouldn't make things immune to damage in the first place.

>>96742401
No need to repeat yourself dude, but if one is gonna minmax you don't need the fucking negatives of doing it that way.

>>96742421
It says no damage

>Cast this spell as a simple action and target a single entity made of mostly organic matter, such as a wooden desk or
a tree. This cannot target a living entity any more complex
in cognition than a dog. The target cannot be harmed or destroyed in any way until the end of your next turn or for up to
five minutes outside of combat. If the entity is sentient (such
as an animal), it cannot gain any negative status effects during
this time.

This will not however protect you from your gaming group/Storyteller throwing books at you. I also suggest donning a disguise either mundane or maybe even using Many Faces, or even a combination of the two so that you don't get people trying to kill you in your sleep

New bread?

>>96694677 (OP)
So are they going for retarded Nasuverse?

>>96743894
How is that now? Not particularly familiar with that setting.

>>96743894
Considering there are rumours that Nasu based Nasuverse in WoD... I think it's opposite.

NEW THREAD!

>>96744183
>>96744183
>>96744183
>>96744183

>>96738872
I'd like actual game modules with adventures to run. I like running stuff off the top dome, but sometimes especially when learning the system a pre-written adventure is much appreciated. Doesn't even have to be super in depth, just give me a map of the general area and some plot beats.