Thread 96715565

tactic edition

>Chess websites, tools, videos and books:
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>Calendar:
- European Team Chess Championship | October 5th - 14th
- Chesscom Speed Chess Championship | October 13th - 30th
- European Chess Club Cup | October 18th - 26th
- FIDE World Senior Championships | October 20th - November 2nd
- Lichess Autumn Marathon | October 25th
- Clutch Chess, Champions Showdown | October 27th - 29th
- FIDE World Cup | October 31st - November 27th
- US Masters | November 26th - 30th
- XTX Markets London Chess Classic | November 26th - December 7th
- Freestyle Chess Grand Slam Tour: Cape Town | December 5th - 12th
- Tech Mahindra Global Chess League | December 13th - 24th
- FIDE World Rapid and Blitz Championships | December 25th - 31st
- Rilton Cup | December 27th - January 5th
- Tata Steel | January 16th - February 1st

>Previous thread:
>>96627759

>>96715565 (OP)
>European Team Chess Championship
Round 5:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbOGVj2-pAw

Any tips for a beginner? I just started my acount on Chess.com and am getting smacked around.

>>96716218
It's normal. Play a lot, analyze your games, do puzzles, watch videos about the basic chess principles. Try the other website too (Lichess), which is superior in every aspect except for a smaller player base.

>>96715602
based Rapport!

>>96716218
>am getting smacked around
The first error made by beginners is believing that they can improve quickly. Unfortunately, learning to play chess is very time consuming. Avoid bullet for now. Take your time to look carefully at the last move made by your opponent, then find answers that make sense and don't hang pieces on unprotected squares. With time you'll find patterns and motifs that work, and you'll discard what is not working.

>>96715565 (OP)
>Chess.com
>Play 400 games, can't break 1100
>Let's do a new account, why not
>Win against 1480, 1593, 1600 and 1700 back to back
>Check match history, they all have thousands of games
I don't get it

>>96718406
That website allows people to choose their initial rating: there are strong players that choose 400 and "steal" ratings until they go up to their actual rating, and weak players that choose 1600 and give free Elo to everyone until they burn completely. This creates two gigantic holes: one between 500 and 800 filled with underrated players, and one around 1300/1600 filled with overrated players. Just use Lichess if you want to know your real rating.

>>96719072
Forgot to say that "New to Chess" is 400, "Advanced" is 1600.

>>96718406
>>96719072
Same reason why you see large arena tournaments with a ridiculously low rated player at the top.

>>96719106
I picked intermediate and started against a 1000/1100
Very strange

>>96715602
round 6 live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aazGYthuuw

>>96719072
>Just use Lichess if you want to know your real rating.
>Lichess
>where everyone starts at 1500 and where everything is inflated by about 400 points
'k

>>96722480
What to do then, FIDE rated tournaments? pfffffffffff

>>96722988
Yes.

>>96723043
But I don't want her to cry! https://www.instagram.com/phoebewittechess/reel/DPdwdl6jbvt/

Does anyone have that meme of the go playing wojack on the left side crying with a go board with a huge wall of text over his face and chad with a chess board on the right saying "lol my gf thinks I'm smart"

>>96726932
No but thanks for the cancer I've got while trying to find it.

Do any of you bother playing against bots on chess.com or just against other people? Just started playing it and not sure if bots are worth it

>>96729187
In this general we always recommend to avoid bots, except the Maia bots that try to play like humans: https://www.maiachess.com

You guys should all quit chess and play go instead.

t. go player

>>96729235
>https://www.maiachess.com/
Neat thanks

>>96729187
Playing against bots teaches you how to beat bots. Playing against humans teaches you how to beat humans.

The problem with bots is that they either play almost impeccably or they get dumbed down to where the errors they make are artificial errors like randomly moving a piece every x moves with x% chance. Whereas with humans you can sort of intuit why they did something stupid.

>>96722480
My rating is the exact same on Lichess and chess.com. It think it's only different if you are under 1600, because chess.com allows players to start at 1600 or 400, which messes all the ratings up for those levels.

>>96730733
It's about even between 2100 and 2600.
Under 2100, any given Chesscum ELO is better than its Lichess equivalent. By a lot.
Above 2600 it's the opposite.

>>96729654
I tried it and didn't win any game no matter what I did.

>>96719072
So everyone under 1600 is randomly playing anyone between 400-1600 sounds like. So until you're better than actual 1600s you could be stuck at any ranking below that.

>>96733558
Yes but it also means a lot of shitters can brag about having a 4-digit ELO, which is awesome, innit.
I guess it explains why Reddit love Lichess so much.

>>96733724
It can't be because it looks and works better. That would make no sense.

>>96734594
>it-it looks better
Pathetic.

>>96735785
He's right.

>>96729654
I play Go, anon. I haven’t practiced in a while because it’s impossible to find other players here. I’m probably down to 13kyu now

>>96721997
Round 7:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO8mQlKFI4c

>>96736592
they fixed something, new link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsm_wNvnGy4

Hans plays in the US Chess Championships:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEGmkHbanoc

caption this...

>>96739090
is the roof leaking?

>>96739171
Too much sun hitting a window.

>>96716218
- Focus on not doing 1 move blunders usually emotions rise before this happens
- Attempt to control the center
- Get your pieces to cover more squares on the board = ability to see more tactics
- Only play center pawn games e4 e5. No weird stuff like English. King's Indian is fine too esp. for black if you're getting overwhelmed by all the openings. If they play Scandinavian just take the pawn and attack their queen move with knight immediately

>>96739825
>>96716218
- Play longer time controls. 15min minimum, or classical so you can calculate move sequences. Don't play 10 min rapids it's too fast.
- Play moves that double their pawns
- Avoid moves that force you to double your own pawns
- Learn to recognize forks, pins, en peasant, and porks (A pin that's a fork)

What's going on with Chessable courses? Do people really pay $300 for them?
I'm not even a poorfag any more, but I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror paying those prices, I thought I had clicked the wrong button and was buying their entire library or something at first.

>>96740707
I honestly don't see why anyone would buy a $300 video + text course when the text-only version is like $30.

>>96741071
Add that there are Lichess studies worth an entire book and they are free: https://lichess.org/study/hm0ctNuy

>>96736674
Round 8:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZarIxNW7Zg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn3P9eFguNM
what a mad man

>>96715565 (OP)
>Speed Chess Championship
Magnus vs Jospem live stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp6-JI22A70

>>96729654
I agree that Go is a deeper, more elegant game. I wish that had been the one I had studied in my youth.

>>96736024
>13kyu
Can't you use Elo like a civilized person? REEEEEEEEE

>>96743379
last round!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-1Z8BFdy98

https://s3.chess-results.com/tnr1263013.aspx?lan=1&art=3&rd=9&turdet=YES&flag=30&SNode=S0

Titled Tuesday live commentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adfL01MolPg

>>96735785
As pathetic as ignoring the rest of the post saying it also works better?

>>96751863
>99% Magnus
>1% Anna Cramling
it could be worse I guess

These puzzles are so weird. How did they even get into this position.

>>96753516
I don't see anything strange: https://lichess.org/5ge8T41K/black#53

tfw you'll never have a puzzle made out of your games

>>96730209
Try also this one: https://lichess.org/@/LeelaQueenOdds

based Kosteniuk

U.S. Chess Championships: Round 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp0svK_cctc

>>96741755
>implying someone would spend THREE month reading about ONE opening

and then there are people convinced that Giri draws too much...
https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1o7xhmb/3year_check_how_the_chess_elite_have_performed/

This new combined chess championship seems interesting, though I fear that it might start supplanting the actual championship. The idea does stoke a (quite unrealistic) idea I've had for some time: a tournament where several chess-like games (either variants or even other nation's traditional versions, like shogi). Obviously the logistics of this would be nightmarish, and probably involve picking and counterpicking different games in a match (which would require players to play sets rather than single games all the time).

>>96767685
>fast time controls
>no Freestyle Chess
Totally Useless Tour

>>96767865
Honestly I think that Fischer Random has a bright future, if people are willing to embrace it. I think the main reason people hate classical is because people have done too much memorization.

Wesley vs Vincent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ka7Gxj_5qo

Checkmate felt like watching an esports event on twitch.tv in 2018. Much prefer the "classier" settings where there isn't mob of screeching apes but I did like the faster time controls.

>>96771841
I like when I can premove checkmates.

>>96773165
>premove double queen ladder
>stalemate

>>96774898
lel
I lost a knight once because I was convinced that the premove was mating.

Did you watch it? Did Nakamura really died in it?

>>96775322
He's making FIDE seething, let him live until the next Candidates.

Today I learned that the front cover of Fundamental Chess Openings (FCO), credited to one Wolff Morrow, is a simplified version of the Sistine Hall in the Vatican (Apostolic) Library. Wolff appears to have taken this particular photo as his reference.

IRL chess clubs streams are the best

>>96715565 (OP)
when i play online chess i have a pro bot in another screen and i move my pieces against the bot exactly what my human opponent does in my match

so every move i make against my human opponent is a mirror of the pro level computer

checkmate

Real chess general:
>>>/vg/542819047

>>96779869
You are a loser.

Would this be the place to talk about Fairy Chess/Variants? Does anyone have some good resources about it? What apps/websites would allow me to make my own variants and play them with friends? Sorry if it's not the right place to ask, I might make my own thread for it

>>96781052
See >>96780161 and probably BGG.

>>96781052
You can ask for new variants or make your own on PyChess which is open source. Their dev have a discord.

Hans won.

>>96761746
round 6:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR7ZBS24BGI

>>96782237
>Hans won.
He didn't, slowpoke.

>>96784447
He did the other day, quite a remarkable game:
https://www.chess.com/events/2025-us-championships-open/05/Niemann_Hans_Moke-Mishra_Abhimanyu

realistically, how would this affect the meta?

>>96786580
You have to clear up a lot of squares in order to move just one of them. Once you move them, they'll die instantly because they are too easy to be killed. And you probably can't even recapture the killer piece. I'd say that their value is half of a knight when you still have both of them, half of a pawn if you remain with only one.

I find it weird chess develop this big of a community in the past 10 yrs cause of streamers and shows like the queens gambit.

>>96719072

I don't know wtf is up with lichess but I've never lost a game on lichess even though I have a pretty mid 1400 blitz rating on chess.com.

>>96730733
>>96733558
Every time I play a Pajeet they're absolutely retarded compared to every other nationality within the same rating range on chess.com. I wasn't even that racist against jeets until I got into playing chess. I have no idea how many times I've played some shitskin poo in loo who attempted scholars mate and then rudely just abandoned without resigning after i got their queen. They play like retards and then act like petulant children and waste your time when their retarded "one weird trick" doesn't work.

>>96787169
is the movie actually any good for a chess fan? I havent seen it since posts about it seemed like "woman play chess, woman smart" but i never looked up anything about it

>>96787568
It's the usual Hollywood garbage.

>>96716218
I also started recently and this is something that helped me. I'm still going through it atm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8pZbhjL-fQ&list=PL8N8j2e7RpPnpqbISqi1SJ9_wrnNU3rEm&index=1

>>96715565 (OP)
>European Chess Club Cup
round 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8UoyEXd3Co

>>96787681
Bad series with bad tips. How many times will we have to teach you this lesson?
>>>/vg/542728089
>>>/vg/542761282
>>>/vg/542911940
>>>/vg/542976592

>>96788127
Holy cows even Gukesh is playing this.

>>96787169
There were already millions of people that knew how to play. The Internet helped in connecting them. The streaming and the online events would have boomed regardless of the Tv show I believe.

>>96787568
The problem is that the chess parts are very little and not clear enough.

>see opponent's country of origin
>india
>abort game and report for cheating

>play on lichess anonymous servers
>as soon as I get BTFO I just let the timer run out and no one can do anything to me

have fun wasting 10 minutes of your life!

>>96790318
Indians always play fast and aggressive b they see the US flag and spaz out I guess

>>96788165
idc at least it gave me a simple framework to work from

>>96790318
rude desu I do the same

>>96791219
I really wish Indians were banned from both migration and the internet.

>>96791219
Speaking of that, I just had a game with what seemed to be an Indian pretending to be a LEAF. He blundered his queen of course

Just played a CM and won. What was this dude doing at this rating level

Conspiracy theory: chess.com uses some ML algo to pair cheaters against other cheaters instead of just banning them

did you learn anything today? because with the amount of times I lose I should already be a grandmaster

>>96794558
i learned that im pretty much retarded and will never be good at chess

>>96794133
He was mowing the lawn while playing with the left hand.

>>96794133
>>96795179
Now I’ve won against a FM. I’m just confused because my rating is too low to be facing people who are 2200 FIDE

>>96787608
>>96790114
Just finished it. Turns out its a series not a movie but whatever.
Chess parts should have been way more important. I wish it had clear shots of the board with thought process of what to play and opponets counterplay.
Otherwise it was mediocre, just had it on the second monitor while I played video games. I didn't like the black girl she was racist and obvious we need diversity and to tell whitey dey evil.

>>96788127
Round 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVaNAFRPHf0

Asking here because I figure I will get a better answer than elsewhere. I'm asking about riichi mahjong, not chess.

How do you actually learn from AI without just beating yourself up for being objectively wrong in your choices?

>>96794133
When you get a title it's for life. The guy could be 70 years old and got the title when he was 20. Or maybe he hasn't played in years and is trying to pick up chess again. Just because you get to 2200 once doesn't mean you'll stay there for the rest of your life. You use it or lose it. It's not always easy to get back to your peak, if you are out of practice.

>>96796403
Find a streamer that teaches their subbers for free, or someone on discord that can arrange a zoom call/sharing desktop to explains how things work.

RIP Danya

>>96797413
Best commentator and all around great person. Such a tragedy. Anybody got a link to one of his recent streams in which he was breaking down?

Kramnik did this

>>96797503
Kramnik has blood on his hands. Fuck his trophies, this is legacy now.

>>96797473
They cleaned up everything.

>>96797473
streamrecorder.io has it.

>>96797756
I've found the video but it's taking forever to load. Is that website always this slow?

>>96797872
Works fine for me, but I had to make an account

>>96797872
yeah its pretty slow, at 1h 30 min you can see he randomly freezes and his eyes come close to shutting, looks like a neurological problem to me, probably had a stroke in his sleep?

>>96797908
I've made an account as well but it's not loading even the first few seconds, and the download link says "opening in 2 days". Perhaps they're throttling my IP range, or my ISP is throttling that website.

>>96797944
idk, took me 4 minutes to download

I probably shouldn't have watched any of this. Danya and I used to pass analysis back and forth. Silly little opening experiments, but they are some of the fondest chess memories I have. This crushed me

>>96797944
https://files.catbox.moe/f8k5kw.mkv
heres a clip, i think it shows him randomly dozing off

>>96797872
you can download vods from that site, downloading is always pretty quick for me

>>96797957
I mostly want to watch to learn about the warning signs in case anything like that happens to a friend or loved one.

>>96797964
Thank you Anon!

>>96797965
>downloading is always pretty quick for me
it ain't for me, picrel

Daniel Naroditsky died? holy shit. Did he kill himself or what?

>>96798029
We don't know what happened, but he had almost vanished after getting bullied by Kramnik, and people were concerned about his last stream.

>>96798029
OD or an heroe'd or both. He was taking benadryl to sleep lately. The kramnik stuff really fucked with him.

wtf i liked that guy's streams and stuff... RIP

that last stream is rough to watch

>>96798046
>OD or an heroe'd or both.
You don't know that.

>>96798080
It's obvious. Dude was found dead on his couch. Cry about it.

>>96798029
Holy shit dude that's awful

Bortnyk is talking about it on twitch, 4k viewers right now. He doesn't know what happened exactly. He and another guy went there and found the body and called 911.

>>96796403
u need to read riichi book 1

Hansbros… the chess mafia is laughing at us again….

>>96798136
I'll need sources on (A) him having been found dead on the couch and (B) the only two possible causes of death on a couch being an overdose or sudoku.

>>96798314
Pretty sure Bortnyk found him, he's currently streaming talking about Danya

rip danya

>>96798222
I love these holier than thou people coming out of the woodworks when they will later continue to accuse someone else of cheating and joke about that person.
Tragedy, yes. But look to yourselves before accusing others. You are also causing this climate.

>>96798417
Huh ? I haven't touched chess in like a year. I just heard of his death on twitch.

can i get a qrd on whatever this Kramnik guy said/did in regards to Danya
he's clearly the designated fall guy but i know how misguided the chess community can be, (certified hansbro) and seeing Nemsko go hard on someone makes me almost certain they've done nothing wrong you kno?

>>96798446
Oh, meant the one with the twitter thread. ALl them replies.
Nice digits though.

>>96798467
He was accusing Danya of cheating.

>>96798467
>Nemsko
who the fuck is this

Kramnik decided, due to his melted boomer brain, that anyone capable of beating him must be cheating and devised more and more insane things people must do to prove they aren't cheating.

Danya, the mental midget that he clearly was, caved into this idiot's delusions and met every demand required of him, giving legitimacy to Kramnik's mental illnesses.

Kramnik then never stopped accusing Danya of being a cheater and due to Danya's terrible mental health (from a lifetime of being abused by his parents and coaches, as he often mentioned in a positive light) dude ended up either an hero'ing himself or just OD'd.

Either way, remember kids. There's more to life than chess, even for a chess professional.

>>96798511
k i scanned the VOD, this guy had to be on suicide watch or something, he really is tweakin throughout this whole stream, punching himself in the head when he makes mistakes and stuff and trying to ride the wave of a winstreak to prove himself

at the end of the VOD someone comes in and tells him he needs to end the stream, danya pushes back stating he has a "2am curfew" but is still pushed to end the stream anyway; an almost 30 year old man shouldn't need this level of corralling
>>96798533
the azn girl adjacent to the botez sisters that allegedly paid for her GM title or something, aka Nemo

and damn tragic, idk what the right answer is but it should be left to professionals; probably was mishandled by whoever was looking out for him, random niggas aint qualified to do this shit especially when one of their main concerns is saving face/optics
>nooo dont stream your mental breakdown that LOOKS bad!!

where can I see the last vod?

>>96798607
Found the VOD, you are right. I've watched Danya for a couple years now and holy shit this is the worst he'd been.

He would often act like LTG when losing but only for a moment, this is pervasive in the vod. Dude is absolutely tweaking on a stim, losing his marbles over getting matched and then aborted, rambling in Russian, changing thoughts mid sentence. Whatever support structure this 29 year old man had completely failed him. Like another comment mentioned, what kind of person makes a wellness check after a single day unless you KNOW that person is already in a bad place.

>>96798774
stream recorder io

>>96798820
>stream recorder io
doesn't allow to watch without premium

Danya's last stream was a tough watch. I think his friends must have known he was having some kind of mental collapse.

Also on the last stream he kept pouring himself drinks that 100% sounded like it was being poured out of a bottle. Then he told his chat it was "just black tea". I dunno man, I think that was booze.

RIP.

>>96798885
did for me, make an account with a throwaway(temporary) email and just watch it; you dont need to activate your account or anything, you could probably literally make up an email if you want

>>96798923
yep sorry I just needed to try through another menu

He's the guy that was getting harrassed about cheating with game engines right?

Why are brown people so utterly fascinated by the Englund Gambit?

Are there chess coaches in Mumbai sitting new students down and going
>ok like...if you want to beat someone here is what you have to do
and then proceeding to teach Englund Gambit theory 20 moves deep?
Why do browns think like this?

>>96799106
I dunno man. I saw Magnus start pushing end pawns and heard thats unthinkable from the chess community but he kept winning while doing it.

>>96799118
He got that idea from Stockfish. Stockfish basically discovered that if you want a free win, you literally just push your a or h pawn and defend them and you can essentially ignore the center entirely.

>>96799136
But there's already decades of theory on how doing that sacrifices tempo where it matters and ignores the middle of the board. It shouldn't ever be good.

>>96799151
It's almost as if computers understand the game better than humans. The idea that you "must control the center" is dogma that's been around since Steinitz and his authority was so strong that no one has really dared to question the validity of it. Like the idea of controlling the center is good on paper but ultimately it's based on nothing real and there's no actual "science" behind why you need to play it. This is also debunked by hypermodern openings and defenses.
Hikaru winning with the bongcloud and shit like that basically proves you can play whatever the fuck you want and still win as long as your endgame skills are good.

>>96798195
Already read it cover to cover.

>>96799179
only the one time? what situations are you messing up? are you paying attention to your number of groups as you're building your hands and comparing the # of tiles that complete/improve the wait to the other groups? Do you fold?

Riichi book 1 is all it took to hit master on MS for me. Post some paifu or something otherwise we're just guessing.

>>96799178
>>96799136
400 Elo take. The idea of hypermodern openings is to control the center with pieces rather than occupying it with pawns. The center matters because it's the avenue through which you manuever your pieces to the opponents side of the board. If your opponent controls the center then you'll be the one getting attacked. When someone plays the grunfeld it's not because they don't care about the center, it's because they care about the center very much and want to attack whites center to seize control of it.
>Hikaru winning with the bongcloud and shit like that basically proves you can play whatever the fuck you want and still win as long as your endgame skills are good.
No, it proves that you can play a bad opening and win if you're much stronger than your opponents. If he tried that shit in a classical game against other super GM's he'd lose every single time.

>>96799178
I was getting at a slightly different angle but similar enough. You get what I'm getting all the same.
The Englund and the Bongcloud or Cow aren't different tiers of opening, its all about what is en vogue at the moment, its been a rotating metagame for a while now.

dont play chess but Im wondering,
Is current advanced chess theory actually comprehensible to people, or is it just trying to shoehorn computer lines into the game?
to get an advantage that can't be countered without knowing of it yourself because it doesn't have obvious payoff

if so how is that different from historical theory which had to be slowly built on over time like everyone contributing to a search tree gradually
or if chess engines never existed could people possibly come up with this modern theory/strategies on their own given enough time and effort? to me it seems too inhuman but idk

So this is why Naroditsky's behavior was so erratic the last couple of streams.

RIP

>>96799523

Dina needs to be put on watch. She genuinely was like unironically in love with him and he just ignored her.

>>96799449
Computers just have a way of thinking about and playing the game that we will never be able to get to.
Computers will say to play a random pawn move on move 6, and to a human, the move might seem incomprehensible or even a blunder in some cases, but that move will have pay off in 15-20 moves, something that a human is basically incapable of seeing. Even the super GMs can only calculate like 7-8 moves in advance, anything beyond 10 is like superhuman. So yes, computer theory can be studied and incorporated into the game, but ultimately if you aren't yourself thinking like a computer (which no one can do) then at that point chess theory just becomes a memorization game, which of course it is already becoming anyway.
Of course, some chess nerd will probably say that everything I said in this post is bullshit and I don't know what I'm talking about, so make of it what you will

This guy is very weird

>>96799605
I am a bit worried for her as well.

>>96799680
Kramnik's late stage mental illness is what stopped me from wanting to get good at chess, so in that sense, thank you Vlad.

www.chessmonitor.com/u/QYFx1RNgju6QkcwfUrj8

5k games and I'm still stuck in elo hell.

What can I do?

>>96799680
Kramnik is the kind of guy who unironically feels validated instead of questioning himself by stuff like this.

>>96799680
Lock him up

I refuse to believe that this game buckbreaks people so hard mentally that they kill themselves because another player was a meanie and hurt their feelings. I'm going to assume it was an accidental OD or something.

>>96799708
If you play e4, switch to d4 and learn d4 theory. Anyone who tells beginners to play e4 is a gatekeeper who wants to keep people bad at the game.

>>96799680
he's right, this same situation has played out so many times;
the road to hell is paved in good intentions, close friends of Naroditsky's may have thought they were helping with whatever they tried but these situations are too much for the untrained to handle, their ulterior motives like protecting his legacy/reputation get in the way of giving him the care he actually needs
then after the worst happens, everything is swept under the rug to protect their own asses, kramnik is absolutely right to call for accountability and answers instead of the low-IQ scapegoating against him

we don't know what happened (deleting fucking everything doesn't help) yet it's completely accepted to pin it all on kramnik off the get-go

remember folks, this is the same community that wrongfully witch-hunted hans; being a sheep retard who's quick to grab their pitchfork is the common denominator in both these situations

>>96799801
Easy for you to say not being a public figure

>>96799835
How do you know I'm not Kramnik

>>96799801
Chess has a long history of utterly fucking people's head. Ever heard of Bobby Fischer?

Book recommendation about chess obsession: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Royal_Game

>>96799669
yea I thought maybe a top gm could understand the logic to a move like that in isolation, even if they couldn't ever come up with it themselves
but even if people had obscenely more brain power for chess would there even be some overarching theory or abstraction for those kinds of moves,
I think the reasoning probably just becomes extremely particular the deeper the search goes

>>96794558
I learned how to attack the kingside in kings Indian as black and opposite side castles, kings Indian is freelo for shitters, it just saves so much time I need to think in the middle game when I don't have to suffer through whatever white autism they have planned after e5

>>96799801
He killed himself because the cheating accusations were true. He was beating himself up over minor play mistakes because they were things happening in a post-engine reality for him and it was destroying his self esteem after he had to stop using it.
Remember, he wasn't just a chess content creator. He cornered his audience on being a chess teacher and tutor. The cheating issue that hit him had layers to it that were breaking him more than if he was just some idiot trying to shitpost snipe people for lulzies.

Kramnik is a cunt for creating an atmosphere where this happened.

>>96799179
Sounds like you need flow book 1.

>>96799523
>So this is why Naroditsky's behavior was so erratic the last couple of streams.
qrd on this? i keep seeing people alluding to this but haven't seen any videos of him wigging out or whatever.

>>96799801
The family said he died unexpectedly. This language rules out something like cancer or an accident like a car crash. This (death at 29) really leaves only suicide, accidental OD, and maybe a congenital health issue (like zyzz) as the primary remaining possibilities. I don’t watch his channel, haven’t in a long time, but his last video hit my feed titled “you thought I was gone?”. Did he take a hiatus from YouTube? Was there any drama surrounding/involving him? Perhaps we took time off for personal reasons?

>>96799976

>zyzz
>congenital health issue
Imagine unironically still believing this

>>96799801
Chess is the only game/sport that Jews are good at, so naturally it's full of schizos that have mental breakdowns over it.

>>96799449
I guess there are 2 fronts:

1) Top players are able to understand what the computer would want to do in certain situations, or how the computer would evaluate the strength of different moves and positions.
2) Top players can prepare opening lines that are extremely difficult to properly respond to. So there can be massive advantages for memorizing novel branching possibilities that no other human has considered.

The big upside is it's allowed the game to be far more dynamic since previously there was much more incentive to stay in known territory and force draws.

>>96799801
in order to have a chance to be in the top 50 players you need to play the game 12 hours a day from the age of three years old, its basically a speedrun for irreparable mental illness
then when you finally make it, in order to maintain your position you need to whole heartedly believe you are the best player in the world even if you obviously aren't (hans neimann is a good example but far from unique) every loss reminding you that you cant achieve your goal and every win reminding you how far you are away
then when you are 30 years old, around your peak, you look around and all your "friends" are people you have spent your whole life trying to beat. you almost definitely did not accomplish your impossible goals that have defined your entire life and its certainly enough to break a man
then after your career of a competitive player is over you spend the rest of your life being so much worse at the one thing you dedicated your entire life at and you have to either quit and go into one of the auxiliary jobs like coach or analyst or go completely insane trying to stave off the inevitable like Kramnik
there is no other game or sport that requires every single player to completely dedicate their entire lives to it in the same way chess does. you can see a similar trend in non team traditional sports, tennis players are similarly neurotic but at least they have some sort of outlet beyond sitting in a chair and thinking baked into the sport and it isnt as insanely optimized so natural talent is able to supplement the grind in a way that isnt possible in chess

>>96800192
I wonder how deep the psychology behind chess boxing emerging recently goes.

it's up

>>96800192
Many people in the top 10 are pretty surprisingly stable and well-rounded, all things considered, with Magnus being the best example, but also Caruana, Giri and Hikaru (after discovering streaming).

Real chess general:
>>>/vg/543419917

>>96800296
>50 ppm general appearing out of thin air
Sounds like /vg/ alright
Feel free to go back there

>>96800221
Magnus has severe asperger's and autism, and almost certainly has a team of 10 people minimum that coaches on him how to act relatively normal in public. He laughs at things and is mildly social, but he was coached to respond in certain ways like a robot slowly being trained with human behavior. His PR tells him to do the chess streams where he plays with his bros and drinks and listens to techno so it convinces normies he is "normal," but off camera I guarantee you he is insufferable.

>>96800315
>appearing out of thin air
lmao we have all moved there almost 2 years ago see for your self
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/subject/%2Fchess%2F/
then compare with
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/chess/
this place is normally just one very mentally ill janny necrobumping and samefagging every few hours while vg gets 100 posts a day at it's slowest

Just seeing the Naroditsky news. Holy shit.

>>96800221
Hikaru is the most normie person in chess. Magnus is a major autismo and regularly drunk streams with his groupies.

>>96800334
I don't buy it. What you're describing sounds way more like Mark Zuckerberg, and Zuckerberg acts way more like a robot sperg than Magnus despite being worth way more and representing a much bigger brand (so probably also having a way bigger team and way better coaching). There's simply not that much money in chess to warrant setting up elaborate PR stunts for like 1000 twitch viewers once in a blue moon (or however many, I just reckon it's way smaller than the bigger chess streamers).
I recall Magnus was sponsored by like 1 fashion brand around 10 years ago, and I think that was it, though admittedly I've haven't been following closely

>>96800334
>Magnus has severe asperger's and autism
You have no idea what severe asperger's and autism actually look like.

>>96800449
I can imagine magnus being both fun and insufferable. Think of all the business decision maneuvering he's done behind the scenes while pairing it with pretty good social bants to favor his newest ploy. The guy can act pretty normie but he also has to be a shrewd thinker to be angling for chess apps and his own tournaments free of fide and all that. He's using an autistic skillset to chip away at the chess hegemony and build his own, not some normie one.

I tend to think Naroditsky died of drug use and not suicide. Naroditsky doesn't seem the type to me that would commit suicide, there's no reason for it.

Notice I use the words "drug use" rather than drug abuse or overdose because the latter two seem to pin the blame on the victim when many drugs, even legal ones, under unfortunate circumstances can kill someone. Illegal drugs also have the hazard of being a bad batch, in which scenario it could be homicide.

>>96800587
So drug abuse, got it.

>>96800587
He was taking stimulants and trying to counteract them with sleeping pills, which is a recipe for death. That's drug abuse.

>>96800122
>1) Top players are able to understand what the computer would want to do in certain situations, or how the computer would evaluate the strength of different moves and positions.
how could they do this without being able to comprehend the moves themselves? with how long the decision trees are a slight misunderstanding of the board makes their evaluation void. so I can really only see a computer informed feeling of the position working if it goes a few moves beyond what a gm is capable of seeing on their own, maybe they'll catch an extra pattern once in a while theyve seen from a heavily nerfed engine
>2) Top players can prepare opening lines that are extremely difficult to properly respond to. So there can be massive advantages for memorizing novel branching possibilities that no other human has considered.
route memorization does work, but im not sure if id call that an upside for the game. as soon as it goes off path you cant trust that any of the setup of the line will payoff anymore cause you literally cant understand it outside of the cases you studied

>>96800587
some kind of drug use
the last video he looks completely wrecked about 1:35 in constant swaying nodding off head down looks like fighting off heart arrythmias

Kramnik has blood on his hands.

>>96800718
the kramnik bullshit really broke him. sad to see.

He should have turned the stream off at this point - years ago - and banged the desperately horny woman next to him who was begging for his penis. Had a couple smart kids and raised them somewhere nice. Chess isn't everything, and in the grand scheme of things it's barely anything. Genuinely very sad. He was the only Chess streamer I watched at all.

I DLed the VOD if there is a host that will accept 389mb

>>96800870
This guy could have been having threesomes with Dina and Andrea Botez but no, he had to play chess.

>>96800903
>'Your body has to be in top condition. Your chess deteriorates as your body does. You can't separate body from mind.

No threesome or sex could've saved him, he needed to save himself first before banging dina and andrea

>>96800870
You don't understand real low self esteem. The chess promo girls are memes anon. They aren't things you bring home to mom and dad (except anna).
Think logically what choosing to date a girl your contemporaries have joked about fucking for years, as your settle, would do to your mind. Take into account all the worst elements of what other anons are saying and then add on a decision like that.

What the fuck? I can't believe it. :-(

>>96800903
Those girls gave him attention because he was insecure to, their guard would up as usual if he could talk to girls confidently, but that is also better than zero attention, which should have been encouragement enough to try. RIP.

So who did it?

>>96800645
>how could they do this without being able to comprehend the moves themselves?
I think there's a misunderstanding in the conversation because computer moves are not purely incomprehensible. The engines are fundamentally able to find and apply many more strategic and tactical concepts than humans. At the GM level players will correctly understand the purposes of a computer line when they see it--they just won't find such things by studying human games. So now they are able to expand their range of pattern recognition to include "non-human" types of moves relatively successfully. They even can have very high accuracy in a game when checked against engine moves after the fact.

>as soon as it goes off path you cant trust that any of the setup of the line will payoff anymore cause you literally cant understand it outside of the cases you studied
They really only need to understand that there are always favorable evaluations by the engines or punishments for certain deviations. If things go out of their preparation and they're even in evaluation that's fine because it still burned up time and effort for the opponent who had to deal with something strange and new.

>>96801105
DIO

Fuck it's hard to believe he's gone

it's actually quite sad that Danya is gone. I never cared too much for chess but found his speedruns entertaining

>>96800877
If you find a place, please upload it.
>>96800718
This is crazy. Seems like he's on drugs and fucking out of his mind. Poor guy is begging like a 12 year old to stay up. And his mouth is locked in a weird smile even when he's talking about sad stuff. Really fucking shitty, fuck Kramnik.

Is this the only thread on 4chan talking about him? Healthy 29 year old beloved streamer dying is insane news to wake up.

>>96801255
also >>96800296

>>96800718
If Hans can deal with Magnus and the world meming about vibrators in his ass, Danya could have dealt with a baseless accusation from a has-been GM from 20 years ago

>>96799223
Yeah I hit M1 as well, though I've looped a few times. I'm just looking to see what I can do to take my game further.

>>96798533
>Danya, the mental midget that he clearly was, caved into this idiot's delusions and met every demand required of him, giving legitimacy to Kramnik's mental illnesses.

Give Danya a break, Kramnik was his childhood hero

>>96801255
I found out on /pol/

>>96801114
>So now they are able to expand their range of pattern recognition to include "non-human" types of moves relatively successfully
Basically I would consider those moves to be in a narrow region just out of human ability but not so advanced they become hard to recognise. must be limited in scope and more localized on the board, not really a superintelligent or inhuman move.
gms can incorporate them only because our brains will naturally spot anything that repeats itself. but that only accounts for a fraction of true engine ability, it's just a computer found tactic that is low level enough to still have a signature you can notice, so it'll improve your evaluation in an uncanny way
I just wonder to what extent they can even claim to actually understand these tactics. it seems like more of a hunch and even if they step through the moves to explain it they are probably missing some important detail and it's more adhoc reasoning. especially if it's a memorized opening

for top computer moves they are rarely comprehensible, because the tactical nuance is just too deep when the board evaluation is near equal. Unless the opponent is playing bad, then the top moves will clearly take advantage of that in a way you can see, but then you don't need an engine move at that point. But a lot of the time, if you try to mix your own moves with the "best" moves it will backfire because they rely on a very specific high eval branch and blunder otherwise, and also assume perfect play from the opponent so won't take more likely initiatives and precautions.

This is sad to see knowing they were his final games. Was he tilted?

>>96802091
He could be a very stubborn player in the sense that he would keep playing when in bad condition. For him, losing 50 Elo like that is normal. Many players found it curious.
Also something simple like sleep deprivation will drop any person's measurable IQ significantly, including performance in chess. He may have played well against these players in peak condition and assumed that he could force himself to recreate that when he really shouldn't.

Hans was worried about his friend and Fabi just steamrolled him with turbo autist prep, heartless.

>Hans
>went head to head with No.1 and became bully target by millions of people wrt. buttplugs
>rose above it and seized the opportunity to improve himself
>Danya
>couldn't handle bant by some old Russian guy
>an heroed
Danya's only got himself to blame

Owned

>>96801784
Yes, I do mostly agree with what you're saying. Engines will always destroy top players. All 2600+ players are aliens but if they encounter a strange enough situation then they will still get it wrong. The Magnus desk slam is a good example since he was able to find his way through a very engine-like line, but then failed to see the critical idea at the end. He was furious because he knew he was so close but in the end played the human move that lost all the advantage.

>>96800221
>>96800409
hikarus rep before he was a streamer was of an arrogant asshole alcoholic who would frequently get shifaced and try to fight people, hes also obviously a raging narcissist with an extremely fragile ego
caruana is probably my pick as the most stable top player, maybe behind MVL. but even he had a pretty clear depressive spiral after he lost his world champion chances
giri seems chill as well
magnus has some pretty normal anger issues and an admittedly deserved ego but being the undesputed number one and being considered one of the greatest of all time will do wonders for your mental desu

Just found out about Daniel. Wtf even. I just started going back to my local chess club last month. Haven't been keeping up with the chess scene since the streetshitter won the WCC.

Did we ever find out if Danya was vaxxed

>>96799178
>Like the idea of controlling the center is good on paper but ultimately it's based on nothing real and there's no actual "science" behind why you need to play it. This is also debunked by hypermodern openings and defenses.
>Hikaru winning with the bongcloud and shit like that basically proves you can play whatever the fuck you want and still win as long as your endgame skills are good.
Incredibly dumb post - not a single decent player would ever agree with that and you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about.

>>96794558
today i learn danya an hero

>>96799900
The funny thing about the king's indian mar del plata is that black can be completely lost - no hope, game over, finished, resign already, just trolling at this point.... and then suddenly black somehow wins. White must know how to defend his constrained kingside effectively and be hyperalert even after it looks like he's won.

>>96802561
man

Thats so strange, I used to keep his stream on as something for the background. Never had a streamer I watch die before

>>96794558
He has a big nose

>>96802561
what a fucking loss. fuck

Why do so many chess players turn mentally ill later in life

>>96802938
low tier ragebait

>>96802938
Naturally making connections is the key in both chess and schizophrenia.

>>96802938
Its the obsessive paranoid types who get into it to begin with

>>96802974
Do you have like a guideline or a script on how to make the most cancerous attack to literally no one? Are you aware of where you are posting?

>>96803034
what

>>96794839
I look like this irl

>>96803088
Oh yeah zoomers are actual niggers with 0 critical thinking, to you an absolute is probably an average because of your shitty brain

>>96803097
chill bro, you sound like one of those obsessive paranoid types. you might end up like bobby fisher or the russian guy

>>96802829
An obscure vtuber I watch died recently

>>96802561
why are people saying an hero, it sounds just as likely that he accidently OD. I know his life style led to it but still there is a different between dying intentionally and not

wtf this is the first time in a long time that a death affected me.
its because i always liked watching his late night strems for years.

im shaking and i cant stop.wtf

this is shocking.

im genuinely sad if he killed himself

im also genuinely sad for Dina, she admitted on one Botez stream that she was in love with him and he wouldnt respond to her DMs years ago

>>96803103
>chill bro
Notice the language. Die alone in your 1man thread faggot

>>96803193
Damn, hard to watch. This kind of thing happens before a suicide where the person will seem more enthusiastic but its mostly just because they have resolved to end it all so briefly they feel like their problems are gone

>>96802938
Lotta Jews play chess, so naturally it's full of manic schizos.

>>96803193
>2am
>Friends come into your house to end your stream
Do we think they had been monitoring him in recent times? Or were they alerted to this specific, erratic stream?

>>96803215
>seek to 12:25
wtf
yeah actually the whole stream is filled with coded language

>>96803193
Weird, he seemed fine for the first 45 minutes or so then just started falling off a cliff. Must have taken something before stream and it didn't kick in for a while.

>>96803193
If this doesn't convince people that MKUltra is real then I guess nothing does

>>96803193
He keeps talking about "being ready for tomorrow"
Did he have a tournament? Did he show up to it?

>>96803193
When he started talking about the deep state, I have no idea what the fuck he was even saying
>shadow agents
wut

>>96803285
This is who he was playing

>>96803193
>makes a small mistake
>mutters "kill myself"

>friends begging him to end the stream

fukk

>>96803319
wwhen

>>96803193
This is some /x/ stuff

>>96803255
he was drinking caffeine. if he had also popped quick release adderall before the stream then it really could've hit him hard suddenly

I understand that people always try to "figure out" these shocking deaths, but IMHO it's more respectful to Danya to refrain from wild speculation. We may not even come close to a correct interpretation of why this happened.

>>96803193
>all those people aborting knowing something is wrong just by the way he is playing and not wanting his score to drop

>>96803319
who is telling him to end the stream?
but him bringing up kramnik again shows hww much this affected him

>>96803361
at 2 hours 14m in a dude comes in and says "Danya? It's Peter". Not sure who Peter is

>>96803358
Yeah, even if Kramnik is a big part of it I doubt thats the whole story

>>96803193
Surreal to see him like this, so used to him being calm and rational

>>96803193
what was the cause of death?

Played against Danya during a youth tournament way back. Rest in peace brother

>>96797503
>>96797616
>badmouthing and blaming big K
???

>>96802339
>>went head to head with No.1 and became bully target by millions of people wrt. buttplugs
Eric hansen is such an insufferable faggot it's unreal.

>>96803396
>calm and rational
Until he wasn't anymore. One reason why I watched his streams less over time was because of his tendency to get really pissy for a long time when he had a losing streak. I get that chess at that level is hyper-competitive, but there's no reason to go off on your chat just because they want to cheer your up. And this was before the whole Kramnik-drama.

I wish he had a stronger support apart from the people in the chess community.

>>96803193
>>96803285
He clearly is excited about the tournament, he says he will definitely make a stream about it. There is NO WAY he committed suicide.

It may really have been adderall, all the coffee, an energy drink along with all the caffeine, taurine, high sugar spikes, all the shit they put in them. He might also have taken an illegal "upper" or whatever they're called in order to get ready for the tournament. He pushed himself too hard, went too long without sleep. He was practically slurring at the end there, I've never seen him look so bad.

The claim of black tea could actually make sense because when you're trying to keep yourself away for a super long time you can't just keep chugging coffee, you need something you can sip and that is stimulating but not going to overwhelm you. As for how the hell could he expect to play in a big tournament being that hungover - I guess because he's naturally that talented that he just shows up. But that may have caused him to take some massive dose of uppers and caffeine and energy drinks again just before the tournament to try to get his concentration up.

Next time you're thinking of pulling an all-nighter, rethink it. Is it worth the chronic harm and potentially even worse.

Real chess general
>>>/vg/543419917

>>96803193
This needs to be preserved as a cautionary morality tale of what happens when you go too far down the rabbit hole of chess.

>>96803377
this

>>96802527
How am I wrong? Why is controlling the center important? Because some jew in 1880 told you so?
Literally the only evidence that controlling the center is good is because it is human tested. So if good players get good results by controlling the center, then that creates the paradigm of how chess is played, so obviously all counters and defenses will be a response to this. But if computers ignore the center or abstractly control the center in ways that can barely even be called "controlling the center," then it gets to the point where you have to let the dogma go and start thinking about the game in a different way, because the computer is probably right and humans are not.

>>96803298
me on the left

>>96798533

This is what happens when you don't ban mongoloids (Muscovite and Han) form human competitions.

>>96803511
Pretty rare to see someone so far up their own ass like this that they think they know better than every chess grandmaster to ever live.

>>96803560
I'm not the one saying I know better, I'm saying the opposite. I'm saying that computers are playing the game differently. They still control the center in lots of cases, but the reasons why they control the center are probably not the reasons why we do and they think about the game in ways we can't even comprehend yet. So with that in mind, the dogma that there is a "correct" way to play needs to be put on hold for a little bit.

The same logic applies to language. Language has rules you must follow, the grammar, syntax, etc. But these rules are still human designed and fallible to be inefficient or not as optimally effective at communicating a message as it can be.
Human devised things are not on the same level of scientific truth as things like mathematics, logic, the laws of physics. Things like chess are things we created, so anything we do and all theory we create is still bound by these limitations. So when a computer starts to look at the game differently, I am not the one being stubborn. When a 4000 elo computer introduces new ideas, for GMs to ignore that and still play the same way is literally like the Principal Skinner meme "No...it is the children who are wrong."

>>96803193
What is he talking about when he mentions he can "see the horizon"

>>96803601
>So with that in mind, the dogma that there is a "correct" way to play needs to be put on hold for a little bit.
You are not a machine that can calculate 100 move lines. So yes - for humans - there is a correct way to play. You fucking retard.

>>96803193
https://youtu.be/qbk-mvBmLUM?t=1891
he already planned it

AI becoming about to play chess better than them really is having a toll on human chess players. Whats the point in playing if AI can do it better than you

>>96803723
Someday AI will be able to play every game better. so what's the point of anything then?
as always people just do what they want
or whatever others are doing

>>96803723
>about
Computers are better than humans in chess for a long time now.

>Whats the point in playing if AI can do it better than you
That's like saying running as a sport is obsolete because cars are faster than humans.

>>96803660
>nooOOOOOOO u can juts escape your problermerinooos u must indefinitely suffer11
>haha *kills self*

>>96803723
ai's are approaching 4k in elo. they're so superior to humanoids that our best players need rook and queen odds to compete.

>>96803193
I wish I hadn't watched that

>>96803834
Two victims of chess. Your mental health isn't worth jeopardizing over it

>>96803660
holy shit

>>96803723
>AI becoming about to play chess better than them
If I had one dollar for every idiot who talks out of his ass of stuff he doesn't understand I'd be richer than Bezos. Computer programs have been better than humans literally for decades now, since around 1996.

>>96803937
>"...UHH, ACTUALLY, UHHH, NOT MY FAULT..."
>"...B-BUT IT'S NOT MONETIZED!!!..."
>dina still crying in the corner

>>96799935
I really hate that this is the only explanation my pineal gland is accepting. I've been "somebody" before in life and am aware of how badly just a modicum of unwanted attention or unwarranted accusations can be. But. I always knew myself, call me whatever drag me through the mud I know what I have done and my intentions and am ok with it.
You don't KYS if you are ok with all you did. I think he cheated, likely as you say it has layers.

>>96803945
>You don't KYS if you are ok with all you did.
I know this is a hard concept for narcissistic self-absorbed egomaniacs to grasp, but some people feel there's nothing for them in this world anymore, no matter how far from the truth that may be

Are you guys going full Kramnik too?

>>96803970
Best that idiot can do is hide in the fucking corner and think about what he did

>>96804002
Sadly that's not how people like that work. He'll feel a 100% vindicated because of it.

NEW

>>96804038
>>96804038
>>96804038

NEW

>>96804043
>making a new thread when we are only on page three
brother

>>96804027
true. time will tell if he is pig-headed enough to be completely unfazed by being called 'murderer' day in and day out whenever he writes something on twitter or if he quits the platform.

>>96803970
Procedure?

>>96803193
after an hour and 15 minutes this gets progressively harder to watch. him falling asleep for 5-10 seconds, blundering like a 500 and speaking in russian to himself, the facial expressions.... I have 40 minutes left of the stream and this sounds like someone either drugged to hell and back or in a manic episode.

>>96804610
this looks so fucking bad O_O

>>96803945
I've seen people break from not even untrue allegations, but even NON-allegations before. Someone claims something about them that isn't even a bad claim, all they do is frame it the same way as you would a rape or something and say they were negatively affected.
The only requirement is that the accuser has a large audience that will accept anything they say (and that the accuser is fucking insane).
I've actually seen this happen twice. First time the person basically quit their hobby from constant emotional blackmail and demands stemming from the event, second the person quit their hobby because the accuser was someone they looked up to and much older, similar to this.
Some people just can't handle these kinds of allegations and constant trolling.

>>96805982
Makes it hard to handle when the accusations are all correct.

>>96803945
Plenty of men have killed themselves after false rape allegations during the metoo era. Fired/expelled because someone lied about them, turned into social pariahs, they didnt see a way out with the sky fallen on them

>>96806641
Yeah, that's a possibility too, I'm just pointing out personal experiences I've had where people have broken over nothing and they knew they did nothing wrong. One of them even considered suicide.

>>96806710
I think the general consensus is that Danya was so torn up over it because he really is a moral guy underneath all of it all.
You know the expression life comes at you fast? I think that happened to Danya. He didn't realize where he had gotten himself with the engine until he had to face it in hindsight. Then the months of abuse for it when he isn't that scummy, then the Giri investigation brewing.

I'm leaning toward intentional for this one.

>>96806867
Like I said, it's a possibility, but it's all just speculation at this point. It's also a possibility that it's like I said, he couldn't handle the negativity, especially from someone he respects, and the effect on his career.

So who should play Danya in the inevitable biopic?

Honestly, watching the video of "Kramnik should be held accountable" and reading all the comments about how the cheating accusations ruined his life etc etc, and all I can think is "where the fuck were these people for Hans?"
Like none of these mouth-breathers are calling for Magnus and Hikaru to be cancelled and banned from tournaments despite going way harder at Hans than Kramnik went after Danya.
It really sucks that Danya's dead and Kramnik is obviously a cretin, but this performative outrage is ridiculous. If there are punishments, they need to be consistent. There needs to be an official way to voice concerns over cheating and anything outside those channels needs to result in an automatic 5 year ban from even attending all major events. Because otherwise we get the situation where it's never taken seriously until after there are dire consequences (ie suicide/overdose).
Like "you're allowed to be a fuckwit that runs other players' names through the ground, unless that person dies as a result"

>>96809578
Jesse Eisenberg