Thread 96716285

GW is fair enough in taking down 1:1 or very similar 3D designs down

But not being open with these 3D sculptors and trying to take their whole shop down for "unfair competition"?

Smells like bollocks

>>96716285 (OP)
kay, keep me posted.

>>96716285 (OP)
No examples of the GW model and the counterfeits. Thread discarded.

>>96716285 (OP)
>big company attempts to shake down and then drives their competition to bankruptcy through frivolous lawsuits

welcome to the "free" market

Just had a look at their catalogue and I mean yeah, it's all 40k derived marinepiggy stuff. Idk how you're not prepared for a lawsuit at that point.
That being said I'm no lawyer but the unfair competition claim seems pretty laughable by gw? Unless that has some specific legal meaning I don't really see how that's relevant to some basic copyright infringement stuff.

>>96716285 (OP)
Is there a link to the actual legal notice? If you have 1000+ files in your catalogue of which hundreds could be the ones breaking the copyright, I doubt they would call them out individually.

>>96717222
its practices that are injurious to consumers from a google search. junk lawsuit, maybe gw knew a copyright claim would fail and tried something novel. is this company in the US?

>>96717222
>Unless that has some specific legal meaning

Highly depends on the law of wherever the lawsuit is being filed. Continuing to violate copyright despite notice could fall under it in the US but I imagine this suit is being filed in Europe somewhere.

>>96717222
I think it applies to things that are so near in design to something you made that it could be mistaken as your work but being passed off as someone else's who didn't design it, it's called "passing off" and is a subtype of unfair competition.

Cuck fapitalism.

>>96716285 (OP)
There was already a thread about this.

>>96716285 (OP)
That is in line with their past shenanigans. They weren't happy about Cults perfectly reasonable guidelines when they tried to make claim on a bunch of stuff, and the result was they had to start doxing the creators themselves and going after them in local court. GW have been skirting challenging this sort of thing legally for a long while now since their false DMCA and other usual tricks no longer work. It was inevitable that sooner or later it will end up in an actual legal case that will set precedent, and hopefully it ends up as another Chapterhouse situation where they get put in their place.

This will never work. "Orc with a gun" or "man with robot parts" or whatever is nothing they created or can claim is their turf. I hope they get raped in court.

>>96718612
In a just world it shouldn't work, but the reality is that the courts are usually stacked in favour of corporations. And you might end up with some old boomer who doesn't know this from that when it comes to the thing they are ruling on. Not to mention locality of where the case is being tried which can have various consequences. It will be an interesting case though as there are a number of factors involved that make it different to their prior attempts to shut down 3rd party stuff.

>>96718651
The last time these stupid jews tried this with the concept of a 'space marine,' they got rolled. The same will happen again.

>>96718676
You are right but that was a different sort of legal claim to what they are trying to make now. For what they are doing now they will hopefully get bodied on two simple areas, first is that after market parts are legal, and second these STLs being sold do not exist in the same market as their product as GW doesn't sell STLs so they cannot claim counterfeiting or brand dilution/confusion like they could with normal 3rd party physical models to a certain degree. This is why such a case is going to be a complete shitshow and could really blow up in their face since depending on the precedent it sets it could effectively lock them out of moving into selling STLs forever. Though granted them ever actually adopting the selling of STLs ever was super low to begin with in the first place.

GW making a harmony gold level of blunderous wrongful lawsuits until a judge gets mad and fucks them would be great.

>>96716285 (OP)
>GW is fair enough in taking down 1:1 or very similar 3D designs down
No they're not, you bootlicking fucking faggot. If you're get that corporate cock out of your mouth for just a moment, you'd realize that the vast majority of copyright/patents are morally cancerous, and that they have absolutely no right to any of it.

James' Wokeslop cannot die fast enough, and everyone in their offices deserve to be killed.

>>96721268
>spend money and time to make something
>"YOU HAVE NO RIGHT OVER IT, I CAN STEAL IT FOR FREE AND MAKE MONEY FROM IT!!!1!"
You're a parasite.

>>96721277
You forgot the gigachad image.

>>96716285 (OP)
If they're all like this pic, then the lawsuit is frivolous. The designs are certainly similar, but they're not directly lifted from what I can see, and separate work was made to create the "parody" version (I can't think of the right word, maybe homage?). It reminds me of the whole Pokemon/Palworld thing, where Nintendo seemed to think they owned the rights to any small cute animal companion designs.

>>96721340
Nintendo's lawsuit against Palworld didn't involve any copyright claims, because even Nintendo knew they would lose on copyright claims. It was an entirely patent based lawsuit, because Nintendo was allowed to patent game ideas like "a mount that can switch between walking and flying" and "throwing a ball to capture a monster".

I'm actually not kidding or exaggerating, the mount patent is something they sued over. After being confronted with it, they then amended the patent to cover any mount in a video game. Their claim to this patent is their game Pokemon Legends Arceus, which came out in 2022, approximately 15 years after WoW: TBC released with its flying mounts.

If you're trying to run a business with 12 employees ripping off another company's IP and explicitly making products for their games, after they tried to hire you, then you should expect to be sued out of existence.

>>96721277
By your logic, 40k is made entirely out of "stolen" parts.

>>96721474
I don't know anything about 40k, but I can guarantee that anything written after "by your logic" is wrong.

>>96721340
eh

>>96721277
NTA, but actually the second part could well be literally the truth. GW manufacture kits that construct game pieces, legally speaking they're just fancy chess sets or boardgame counters, which means arguably they fall under Design Rights under UK law not Copyright based on the ruling in the Lucasfilm vs Ainsworth case. Design Rights are far more limited, and would be completely expired at this point for all of their core range aesthetics; Eldar, Deldar, Orks(insofar as they were ever protectable), and *all* recognisable forms of Space Marine except the MKX-based Primaris shite would all functionally be basically public domain.

You're not allowed to completely reproduce their physical kits(so scans would probably still be verboten), but if you model a figure or kit from scratch that uses a GW design from more than 15 years ago(or a meaningfully similar derivative of it) and you're based in the UK, you'd have a pretty solid chance of knocking a few billion of GW's valuation if they ever sued you because of how thoroughly they'd get BTFO in court.

>>96716285 (OP)
i'm not sure how it's "unfair competition" and sounds to me like GW is throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks because they pissed away their copyright infringement claim

perhaps GWs usual "defense" of "we're a model company, not a rules company" might bite them in the ass

>>96721770
They're not suing over copyright, so they admit themselves that it's different enough.

>>96716285 (OP)
what the fuck does "unfair competition" mean? he's literally one dude with a 3d modeling software

>>96721774
Yeah, that's a separate thing. Like I said here >>96721340, it's not near enough to be a copyright issue, but that doesn't mean copyright shouldn't be a thing. I have copyright on all the works I make and sell, and have had to use it regularly to defend against direct Chinese ripoffs that steal my designs and work. I've also had copyright misused against me (Toei animation falsely claimed one thing I made because they said it violated their copyright... which was a crescent moon shape on a tiara).

In this GW case, they don't really have a leg to stand on. In most other cases, copyright is vital.

Yeah they need to start a lawsuit gofundme and get some community support. GW is well-known for this shit and will continue it until they get stopped.

It's a shame that wargamers can't rally around this shit the way that D&D players were able to. The possible legal nuance here is not something any of us on 4chan are capable of explaining intelligently without even knowing where the lawsuits were filed.

>In this GW case, they don't really have a leg to stand on.
Unfortunately, that's not how the law works. GW has money to stand on. They don't have to win. They have to drive their competitors into bankruptcy fighting.

>>96721982
>They have to drive their competitors into bankruptcy fighting
Last time they tried that they left the courtroom with less legal power than they started and they had to rename everything to shit like "mortyrfactor assyssynationysts". There would have been people fucking fuming that they couldn't just keep using the same names.

>>96717222
>it's all 40k derived marinepiggy stuff
except the 40k pastiche isn't unique enough to copyright.

>>96721982
>Unfortunately, that's not how the law works. GW has money to stand on.
If this were in some dystopia like the US, maybe. But this is a British company against what seems to be a European small business. Money isn't relevant in these, law is what matters.

>>96722189
I hope you're right. I don't know the ins and outs of the UK's legal system. But my understanding is that its intellectual property right laws are even more fucked up than the US'.

>>96722189
I love how your Europoids say the dumbest fucking shit. It was an American judge that finally shut down those greasy dagos at Harmony Gold filing scam suits over Battletech.

>>96722229
it's impossible to send a brown person to jail for rape or murder in the UK for longer than 1 year. i have little faith their civil law is any better

>>96717222
I think maybe that's the point. GW could easily win a simple copyright suit against them, but they want to set a precedent on the wider anticompetitive issue and an opponent that's obviously ripping them off is going to have a harder time looking sympathetic.

>>96722265
This. I just saw a recording of a judge sentencing a man in the UK to two years in prison for a Facebook post against illegal immigrants. In addition,.the judge also felt the need to give a 5 minute monologue about how appalled he is to read such a "hateful" Facebook post

>>96722229
They're more fucked up in that they're less useful. They're not as fast and loose as American laws where they just make shit up on the spot (and so can cover even unique cases, even if it is too subjective), which makes it sucky for anyone trying to enforce copyright, and it takes way too long for laws to catch up to the loopholes being exploited. It's why it seems like they're going for one of the unfair competition claims, as it's easier to try to prove something like brand confusion than it is to argue copyright violations (which they couldn't do, because technically they're new designs and GW don't own the rights to all possible variations of a theme).

>>96716285 (OP)
I don’t know legalese that well so I can’t comment on the validity of that specific charge but ffs man I really can’t bother to care about this tard. The guy was putting out and openly selling stl packs where you could obviously tell which units he was ripping off. Not ranges. Individual units. I don’t believe him nor do I believe he’s smart enough to have any pity for over this lmao

>>96722265
>>96722300
>Regurgitating /pol/ talking points
The shit you're saying is just flatly false. The UK's online speech laws require a demonstration of actual intent to cause violence in order for criminal prosecution. The cases you've seen were later thrown out. And immigrants make up the same 12% of prison populations that they make up of criminal complaints that get filed.

Please stop being brainwashed by hysterical social media nonsense and use your internet access to google actual facts.

>>96722392
can you articulate what exactly he is doing that's wrong?
he's not stealing gw design documents.
he's not violating gw copyright.
he's providing a service that gw doesn't.

>>96722434
He’s making obviously shit knockoffs without being smart enough to slightly obscure that or live in Ukraine Russia or China lmao. It’s called undercutting and should be done with people with a iq over 40

>>96722465
so he's doing something legal and you're just mad about it?

>>96722465
Lidl and Aldi better lawyer up then

>>96722465
Knockoffs are fine, though. There's nothing illegal about them. He would've been in trouble if he'd directly copied designs, but it looks like he redesigned them instead.

>>96721936
i'm pretty sure unfair competition is an italian term that includes copyright.

>>96722716
It is. Looking at the gofundme both he and gw seems to agree since he includes infringing stls. Yeah he’s being shady since he only shows his least infringing stls lol

>>96722959
It looks like he's also taken down the pages on his site that show all the designs. At least, I can't access them now.

>>96722994
The fun part is that google still shows print shops using his designs. Seriously come the fuck on man. Were you expecting not to get pinged for this

>>96723032
Alternate sculpts for 30k always get me. The crowd for that game especially wants verisimilitude with the original aesthetics, something these knockoff sculpts taking liberties don't really do.

>>96722392
>>96722465
The purpose of copyright is to provide incentive to create original artistic works, not to let people squat on vast swaths of design space and demand rent if anyone does anything similar. You cannot copyright an idea, only the expression of an idea. If Ghamak guy looks at a GW model, says "hm, zombie crocodiles," then creates his own zombie crocodile model from scratch, he is engaged in the same legally protected creative process as the creators of Brightburn, Squadron Supreme, Irredeemable, or The Authority.

>>96721970
I don't believe it is, at least not as presently constructed. If you want to bring back the original concept of
>you have 30 years to make money off your idea then it passes into the commons for everyone to make use of because if you haven't made money by that point you don't deserve to and if you have then your costs should be recouped and you can compete fairly with anyone else who wants to use the idea/artwork
then great. Modern "life of the artist + 70 years + extensions you can apply for + the ability to pass the copyright on in a will or sell it to a corporation" copyright is unmitigated dogvomit that does nothing but enrich a small number of people - almost none of which are the originators of a given work or idea, incidentally - and stifle creativity.

In fact, I'd go further - Copyright should function much like Design Rights; you get a decade or so of exclusive use, then a few more years where you technically still control the rights but are required to license them to anyone who makes you a fair and reasonable offer, and then after that you can get fucked anyone can use the concept.

>>96723198
I massively disagree. I'm of the opinion that rights belong to you forever, and you pass them to who you wish to have them when you die, however anyone can use it they just owe you 50% of their gross profits. If an idea is good and makes money, it's valuable and you deserve to reward yourself and your lineage with it. If an idea is bad and doesn't make money, then it's not worth copying.

>>96718768
If GW wins lawsuit as it is worded it basically means that any miniature in the same scale as GW minis and cheaper than them is "unfair competition". Which would be super fun.

>>96723472
No, that's not what it means. It means that any miniature that can be easily mistaken as being a GW product but not made by them would be at risk of lawsuits.

>>96723554
And how are you going to determine that when GW employs whole teams of different 3d designers? Not even talking about how management tries to cover as much appeal ground as possible with their products.

>>96723472
Nah I don’t believe his framing on this lol. Same as his gofundme where he only shows his least similar minis. The dude makes outright copies of units instead of marine builder or generic gun marine designs which from my understanding is what gw is trying to target here

>>96723585
I don't determine it, I'm not the judge.

>>96723592
Exactly. It's very obvious that his business is providing cheaper alternatives to exact units GW puts out. It's a 1 to 1 copy of the unit itself.

However, even his most similar designs have been redesigned enough to not be exact. Which is why the lawsuit is focusing on the unfair competition aspect, and not copyright. They probably have a case in that regard.

His issue is he's already being dishonest, in order to make money to cushion his own failure to protect himself. If he'd used a different style to properly distance himself, he would've been fine, but he literally took the same units and same style then created a similar copy, intentionally to replace those units.

>>96723657
what here is supposed to be illegal? why does GW own the copyright to their house style or the idea of a space marine in bulky armor?

>>96723824
you should ask an IP lawyer.

>>96717291
Courts often demand every single detail for things like this.

>>96724059
I don't have to ask an IP lawyer, since GW already did and they decided to sue for "unfair competition" instead of copyright violation.

>>96723824
You just said why this isn’t a copywrite case lol. The idiot directly and provably copied specific units to the point all his space marines look like actual units that an ai edited. He copied the actual weapon designs and poses ffs. The only surprise here is that he wasn’t taken down sooner

>>96723824
Well, technically, the direct knockoffs of specific units isn't illegal (hence, they're not pursuing him in that regard), but his actions of creating exact 1 to 1 knockoffs for entire sets is what's illegal under unfair competition. You aren't allowed to wait for someone else to put all the money and effort into making a load of work, then steal all the designs, tweak them, and then sell them off together in what is obviously the same sets.

It's sort of like if you opened a restaurant that served your own versions of the entire McDonald's menu and only that, it would be far too obvious what you were doing.

Screw GW and it's prices.

>>96723032
Why would he assume this is problematic? Neither are his sculpts the best, nor the closest to actual GW designs. Its proxies, thats for sure, and you can guess which GW minis they should resemble, they are so far away from the originals..

>>96723554
>It means that any miniature that can be easily mistaken as being a GW product

And who defines "easily mistaken"? GW does. And they will use this (theoretically) won lawsuit to remove many others, no matter if they are doing very close proxies or not.

>>96724100
Show some examples?

>>96724444
>It's sort of like if you opened a restaurant that served your own versions of the entire McDonald's menu and only that, it would be far too obvious what you were doing.

So Burger King is illegal?

>>96724805
Compare the two menus.

>>96722434
He's not doing anything wrong, but what he's doing is derivative enough for me to not care about his plight.

>>96724832
>Burgers, Fries and Pop.
>Burgers, Fries and Pop
Oh Shi

>>96724856
No, compare the actual products on offer on the menu. I doubt you will though, I'm starting to suspect you're not just an innocent idiot needing simple things explained, but a bad faith actor being a cunt. Happy to be proven wrong, though.

>>96717291
He posted some documents on his patreon page and under the gofundme campaign too.

>>96717222
>unfair competition

They are using the same angle as Lego uses to prevent stores from selling competing brands whose minifgures look too much like their own (or so they claim), while deliberately avoiding to define exactly which aspects the other company should change in their figures to make them look distinctive enough to be okay.
It took the german company Bluebrixx years and a lot of money to fight those claims long enough to now have a water tight definition of what they can sell and what not. And now they have their own minifigure design and Lego cant do shit about it (despite winning 3 legal cases against bluebrixx, resulting in lots of "not-lego" sets being sold after removing the figures from them and lots of legal fees)

Pic related, Cobi never had the problem to begin with, because they designed their figures very differently from the start.

GW seems to go the very same way, but if Ghamak will be able to resist them, those lawsuits will result in a very clear definition at what point a "space marine" looks too much like a "GW space marine", and when it does not.

>>96724791
Scroll up. 4chan image cap is stupid. Literally copied the pose from the official one lol

>>96724867
Both have some very similar products, and both have some unique items that only they sell too.

But i can get a cheeseburger a double cheeseburger, with fries and a coke and a vanille milkshake in both restaurants.

But only Mc Donalds has a Big Tasty, and only Burger King used to have Onion Rings.

But so does GW sell miniatures that Ghamak does not, and Ghamak has some units and minis in his portfolio that lack a clear GW counterpart.
Take pic related for example. Saying he does just copy GW is not doing him justice (even tho, those birdmen are ugly, but at least they are original)

>>96724894
At least take the effort to put the original next to it. Do you expect me to look for it myself?

But even if you were right, how does this prevent GW from naming exactly those units to be removed?

>>96722189
GW filed the suit in a US court in Florida.

What I don't understand, not being a TTWargamer, is why GW cares so much; as I understand it, none of these are tourney legal kits, and aren't tournament players building armies their bread & butter?

>>96721491
>I don't know anything about the thread I'm in but here's my hot cowshit opinion!

>>96724895
Dude he’s copied the entire primaris range down to the pose on a lot of them. If you want a better example he took the entire Burger King menu and used their recipes with maybe a different bun. He also has a seperate different kids menu. Doesn’t mean he’s not at fault for the recipes and menu he took

>>96724894
Anon, if you try to patent a pose lawyers would literally bury you in their backyard before you finish talking about it.

>>96724923
There are only that many tactical and "cool" poses a power armoured guy can have.

>>96724867
ntayrt
Just a 30 second google search but these seem about the same enough to be a space marine and a Space Marine.
>sesame seed chapter

>>96724933
You can’t patent a pose but if you put his space marine stls next to the primaris range and go unit by unit yeah after your 50th blatantly the exact same thing unit, yeah uhh. He couldn’t even be fucked to change the pose on most of these lol

>>96725036
Wait a second. There are some marginal differences in calories there!

>>96725041
Someone else can photoshop them next to each other.. But no Anon, its NOT the same poses.

>>96725041
So help me out, why is the Burger King vs Mcdonalds thing different?

>>96716285 (OP)
I think it's pretty bullshit on the face of it considering Ghamak is one of those sculptors I never bother with because his models look nothing like 40k. I don't remember GW ever making AdMech but roman, Sisters of Battle but Soviet, or wild west Orks.

>>96725099
>I don't remember GW ever making AdMech but roman, Sisters of Battle but Soviet, or wild west Orks.

Some of his stuff is fairly original, some just looks like shit. The Primaris sculpts are pretty close to GW in their blandness, but i think his Fantasy stuff is way more in danger of being problematic than his 40k sculpts. People itt seem to focus on 40k only, but more than half his catalogue is Fantasy.

>>96722392
He doesn't use any of the iconography GW uses, the body proportions, weapon layout, and heads are clearly different. Only one they could possibly make a claim on is the Impulsor, and GW doesn't make an Impulsor Whirlwind.

>>96723554
Except they sued the proxy maker that is by far the least similar to their designs barring some wacky "Throw in as a bonus" shit from Cyber Forge and Printminis. If they can sue Ghamak they can sue literally anyone.

are these guys long for this world? won't ai eventually be able to do 3d models? at that point you can just go from prompt to printing the model.

>>96725209
There's a lot of design considerations for a 3d printing model an AI wouldn't be able to handle.

Than again, a lot of the 3d print sculptors aren't able to handle them either.

>>96724913
I know about copyright and lawsuits. Obviously, you don't, but do rage on impotently x

>>96724912
>GW filed the suit in a US court in Florida.
Then it doesn't matter. The "defendant" isn't from Florida and isn't living there, and GW isn't based there.

>>96725036
THE WHOLE MENU. Fuck, /tg/ has gotten so retarded.

>>96725183
They sued the most prolific 1 to 1 knockoff maker. They cannot sue just anyone.

>>96725261
No, those are the main items. If you can't figure it out with those the entire phone book wouldn't help you out.

>>96725209
Not unless you can get your hands on diamond computers. Right now you either use a "supercomputer" to generate slop or accept substandard results. All those problems that you get in 2D pictures would be way worse in 3D models.

>>96725243
>I think I know about law because I think its about lelautism but don't know context is always important and what judges use to do their name
lmao

>>96725279
They're not the main items, they're saver items, and you have to compare both menus ENTIRELY because the point is copying an ENTIRE MENU.

>>96725291
You're actually retarded and genuinely don't know what this thread is about. Good luck with that.

>>96725209
>won't ai eventually be able to do 3d models?

There are already AI created STL files available. I have yet to see one that does not suck, but that is only a matter of time i guess.

>>96725254
Ghamak posted files from Italy, and apparently its filed there, because he is Italian.

>>96725303
But the Space Marines are the saver items for GW too. And he did not copy all the rest.

>>96725334
I know. It's why he's being sued for unfair competition, it's a UK/EU situation. It would make literally no sense to file from Florida.

>>96725351
Okay, bad faith actor being a cunt it is.

>>96725303
>the burger, cheese burger and other burger aren't the main items
>at mcdonalds and burger king
That's where you are.

>>96725372
You still can't explain how the burgers are different than the marines. You asked for evidence, were given it by a different anon and have nothing.

>>96725163
Oh no it just looks like a ai chewed on the official mini. It’s only 97% similar. That extra percent really matter in a court of law looking for it to be 95% similar lol. A knight crusader with extra greebles still looks like a knight crusader

>>96725560
Relate this to Mcdonalds vs Burger King.

>>96724071
see >>96722716 and >>96722959

>>96721277
>YOU
Games Workshop isn't a "you," little faggot lickboot. They're a corporation gathering a bunch of creators under an increasingly anonymous umbrella (like how they go out of their way to not credit writers and designers) to extract money from their labour. If you feel bad for "GW" getting ripped off you're a brainless pussy, and are hereby ordered to kill yourself under penalty of death.

>>96723247
You should be killed by grave and sober-minded members of your community.

>>96723032
I dont understand why he would get in trouble for that. Are people not allowed to make big Gothic robot men?

>>96724444
Places do exactly that. I dont understand what he stole. Can you please explain to me which thing is stolen from GW?

>>96725254
>>96725361
They filed in Florida to take advantage of US laws and enforcement; also, it appears most of the retailers GW went after are based in the US, even if it is only part of distribution.

>>96726119
Sales are stolen.

>>96725892
Don't be retarded, it isn't bootlicking to say copyright protects owners. It doesn't matter if it's a corporation, there are still people at the top who own the company and therefore the rights. If creators don't want to be a part of that, they can simply choose not to be. Sounds like you've got a massive chip on your shoulder, but honestly it's not my problem and I really don't care, so get fucked and grow up, babes.

>>96726090
It took me a few minutes, but it seems that design is something called a Combat Walker in 40K. He didn't even try to hide it with a proper redesign.

>>96725649
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald%27s_legal_cases#Big_Jack_(Australia)

>>96723247
Any idea is a copied idea. Nobody should have rights over a pre-existing concept.

>>96726282
Elaborate. I wasn't going to by GW anymore, so I only look at stls. If it weren't for thay, id leave completely.

How do I, in this scenario, steal from a company I wasn't going to buy anything from?

>>96726396
Ok, I still dont see any issue. Nothing in that image, to include the name, is copyright

>>96726444
What a nonsense thing to say. Nobody has rights over a pre-existing concept, you have rights over new things you make.

>>96726528
>but, your honour, I know you say I illegal streamed a film, but I wasn't going to watch it if I paid for it anyway!

>>96726537
Lucky you're not a judge, then.

>>96724895
>only Burger King used to have Onion Rings
Maybe on Planet Retard

>>96726841
how would you feel if the roles were reversed? if you were a small solo designer who came up with 40k, was selling minis and rules on a small storefront, and then GW took your ideas wholesale and took your sales? they could produce faster and on a broader scale, and they buried your products. you have no recourse, because intellectual property isn't real. is that cool?

>>96726926
>>96726841
i'm NTA to be clear, and my questions are open to anyone ITT

>>96726861
No, not the same thing. This is a seperwte product.

This is more like "I didnt play the oblivion remake because im waiting for the fan made one"

They're incredibly ugly sculpts
Printing them would be a waste of my time and a waste of resin, buying the STLs even more so, but people are just so desperate for their GW crack that they'll take anything

>>96726528
You don’t but anyone who sees that the business across the street sells the same copywrited stuff for cheaper will. You legally can’t steal someone’s work to undercut them and sell what they worked on cheaper. It’s why this isn’t a copy-write case but unfair business. You don’t have to like gw to understand why they’ll win this case

>>96726993
This isn’t a seperate product, they’re 95% the same copies of every primaris model to the point that on the majority of them, by silhouette, it’s difficult or impossible for a majority of people to tell the difference. It’s the miniature equivalent of those shit Chinese mobile games where you see a charizard painted blue

>>96722025
>Astra Militarum. Adeptus Astartes.
Gay retard shit. I'm not calling them that.
>Imperial Guard. Space Marines.
Giga chads. Badass names. Awesome.

>>96722404
>The shit you're saying is just flatly false.

>>96726861
>illegal stream
I bet you're the kind of faggot that claims torrenting is illegal too.

>>96727065
Ok that still doesn't hold up. Nothing is stolen.
I can pick from 30 brands of pillows. Dozens of car manufacturers, 1000s of RPGs
Should Magic be shut down because Pokémon exists?

Anyone can make sci-fi miniatures

>>96726869
>im so happy this chud wont rul against my favorite corporation

>>96727210
>Should Magic be shut down because Pokémon exists?
That'd be a weird one since MtG came out before Pokemon. Even weirder since they're both owned by the same company.

>>96723247
You're a retard and if you and your corporate buttbuddies had your way literally all of human history would never have happened because some faggot would have said
>NO, ME make wheel, wheel MINE, u no use wheel or me bash in you face, me demand HALF your resources to use wheel!
and we'd still all be using fucking dragged sleds or just never do anything that couldn't be accomplished by hand.

The world was a better place when people - and I use that term loosely - like you could just be dragged into an ally and beaten to death.

>>96727285
Ok, yugooh then. Im currently looking at flooring at Lowes. I have several brands that are all doing the same thing. If I pick brand A, did A steal that sell from brand B?

>>96727210
They’re not making their own cars. This guys a retard who stole actual designs from gw. This isn’t opr where they made their own minis from the ground up. These are visually direct copies meant to undercut gw minis in gw games. He didn’t bother to even change the names on a lot of “his” shit. Since we’re bringing up tcgs this guy is the one that makes those shitty fake yugioh cards that you’re tricked into trading for as a little kid lol

>>96727500
No they aren't, at best they are directly inspired by gw. I have a garage full of different brablnd tools, I can swap all kinds of parts around and they work.

Do you know what stealing is? Im being serious

Oh look. The tranny discord is trying to discredit and sow discontent against Gw again.

>>96724832
Burger King even has copies of the Big Mac and the Baconator (from Wendy's). You're wrong, friendo.

>>96727648
>Oh look. The tranny discord is trying to discredit and sow discontent against Gw again.

If you think the concept of copyrights and IP are bad, you should have the courage to say that.

>>96727648
Because this is real and not made up, right dingus?

>>96727648
I wonder how many threads are just these fags replying to themselves pretending to start a flame war.

Where this is going to get interesting is GW trying to prove that Ghamak products can be mistaken for theirs. Because the products are digital files, which is something GW doesn't sell. Both products exist in entirely different markets. Part of proving that the layman could confuse the two products is whether they could be construed as the same product if offered side by side on a store shelf. So GW would have to show somewhere that sells both physical GW product and 3rd party STLs side by side, with the kicker being that the STL is not printed by a 3rd party as they would be one responsible for the breach now Ghamak.

the people ITT that are pretending ghamak's designs aren't obvious bootlegs are being willfully oblivious and it's a bit pathetic

>>96727615
“Yeah bro this looks nothing like an official gw mini. Theres nothing alike. Ghamak totally doesn’t use poses and actual names from units bro. Totally different. Totally just taking inspiration. I just need to go proont my earth brigader”

>>96728988
Oh no a demon Gothic ww1 tank.
I do think GW may get rid of weapons options further to bleed out these markets

>>96724781
>And who defines "easily mistaken"? GW does.

No the court does you fucking idiot. If GW wins this lawsuit it doesn't suddenly mean they get to decide what is/isn't unfair competition, they would need to re-litage it every time.

>>96724069
I feel like you could very easily abuse such a thing by simply spamming the same shit with only millimeters of difference between them.

>>96729217
That just gives more ammo.

>>96727056
It's weird, isn't it? 2 clicks away on any plattform are better looking proxies too, and yet he seems to be popular

Reminder that most GW designs are actually stolen from D&D, 2000 AD and Runequest.
Like all of the Beastmen line for one example.

>>96728152
It's a proxy, not a direct copy.

>>96729383
His stuff is pretty hit and miss, but he has been around long enough that he is generally mentioned as one of the places to start looking for readily available proxies. I'd never touch his Marine or Guard stuff, but his daemon stuff is pretty decent.

>>96717222
>copyright: genetically enhanced warrior monk / techno thug in gothic power armour

Nah that belongs to everyone now

This thread is so full of deliberately dishonest people who are trying to act like the guy making money selling what are very clearly shitty knockoffs of existing space marine units is some poor victim. His business exists solely to undercut GW and sell people cheap proxies, which is fine, but don't pretend like GW is evil for saying "don't steal our designs, change them slightly, and then resell them.".

>>96729478
Nobody disputes that he makes proxy models. But they are nowhere near enough in their design to actually mistake them for GW. And you also are dishonest by making your post sound like this guy would only do space marine stuff. More than 50% of his releases are fantasy minis.

>>96729478
>the guy making money selling what are very clearly shitty knockoffs of existing space marine units is some poor victim
That isn't illegal at all. GW is being really petty. All of their IP is already stolen in a similar way.

People ITT see 3d sculpted proxies the first time and think they are the real thing. It's hilarious.

>>96729478
Considering the last time GW tried something like this, which was Chapterhouse, they failed to win any claim on designs being ripped off and went solely on violation of trademark. Which they largely got bodied on as well, including being laughed at when they tried to claim ownership of simple geometric icons like arrows or the Devastator chevron which dates at least as far back as ancient Greece and was still used by many modern militaries to denote Heavy Armour divisions. There is a reason for this and that is because in general designs aren't something you can trademark/copyright/patent as a whole. Only specific unique aspects, icons, or terminology etc. And to even make these sorts of claims to be tested the products need to exist in the same market space to be compared side by side. Which these don't as GW doesn't sell STLs, and Ghamak isn't selling physical models. No matter how simple you believe this case is going to be it isn't.

>>96723032
Apparently Battletech is now infringing on GW.

>>96729524
The funny part is that GW did literally include someone that made a BT Warhammer (mech) mousepad or something in a recent lawsuit. Despite their claims that they had someone order and check all the products in the claim to confirm they were in violation of their trademark or whatever. And despite that clear fuck up it still cost the guy like $900 in lawyer fees he can't recoup to get him dismissed from the suit.

>>96725270
If you think Ghamak's shit is 1 to 1 you need to go in and get your eyes checked.

>>96729544
>>96725270
This. If they get away with him, no proxy ever will be save. His stuff is as far away from GW as it gets.

>>96727837
I'm starting to wonder if that idiot claiming a 40k 3p stl archive was a "GW leak" is actually a GW false flagger so they can argue brand confusion.

>>96725209
Ai bros are worse than talentless
They are lazy
No one wants their slop even if they were free

>>96728152
No animal heads on the crests, squarish design for CORV when real model is curved, bolter is in center of chest rather than below. Grimnyr's stance on rocks is much narrower, wearing close fitting jacket rather than flowing robes, staff is entirely different, head is entirely different.

This is like saying no one else can make army dudes because GI Joe exists. They're clearly "inspired by" but look nothing alike.

>>96729569
Pretty sure that whole thing was braindead content creators misconstruing shit for clicks. My understanding was that it was a bunch of scans that were floating around on Cults that finally got pinged and taken down. Regardless any brand confusion argument GW can attempt should fall over pretty easily. It is exactly why hey have never really gone for using it when push came to shove and generally only mention it in C&Ds. The fact that they have clearly given up trying to legally pursue the actual hosting sites themselves and instead target the individual creators in a local court speaks volumes. I imagine that they are banking on bankrupting the guy before it can actually go to court like they did with emang.

>>96729600
>that they are banking on bankrupting the guy

Its an obvious and well working legal tactic if you are the bigger fish.

>>96729624
You are unfortunately right. Though that did completely blow up in their face with Chapterhouse. Fingers crossed it happens again.

>>96729626
Yep, hopefully, but Chapterhouse still broke, despite their win, didn't they?

>>96729821
GW stepped on an ant and contracted a weird ant disease for their trouble. Some fights just aren't worth it and this looks like more of the same, how much could this guy really be eating into their bottom line?

>>96729514
I mean, they tried to copyright a double - headed eagle. By that logic, they would need to sue Albania, the Russian federation, Montenegro, the families Habsburg and Romanov and probably Turkey (the earliest known depiction of a two-headed bird came from the Hittite empire in todays Anatolia).

>>96722404
Your full of shit. As a UK national I can, sadly, say that condemnation of migrants or negative talk about them is grounds for arrest and imprisonment over here.

>>96726926
Why are you asking me? I'm clearly pro-copyright.

>>96727219
I don't buy GW stuff, I don't even care they exist, I care that there are parasites out there who try to make money off of copyrighted work. If you ever create anything of value and actually have to enforce your own copyright one day (doubtful, but still), you'd understand.

>>96727327
>You're a retard and if you and your corporate buttbuddies
Don't be a spastic all your life, you absolute mongoloid. I like copyright because it protects me FROM corporations. I have legal recourse to stop bigger, wealthier businesses from stealing my work. Evidentally, you don't have anything of value to be concerned about, so bitch and moan about things you don't even understand.

>>96727699
See >>96726410, "friendo".

>>96722300
>I just saw a recording of a judge sentencing a man in the UK to two years in prison for a Facebook post against illegal immigrants. In addition,.the judge also felt the need to give a 5 minute monologue about how appalled he is to read such a "hateful" Facebook post
I'm sure you can substantiate your claims with a link to the video. I mean, I'd like to be able to trust you, unfortunately there's been quite a few bad faith actors around lately.

>>96725036
>sesame seed chapter
Someone paint studded marine pauldrons as sesame seeds on a bun.

>>96730907
>the Federal Court ruled against McDonald's, finding that "Big Jack is not deceptively similar to Big Mac", and that the company had not established that Hungry Jack's trademarks had infringed on McDonald's existing trademarks.

>>96731076
Yep, because they had variance in their menus and products. Which is the whole point. Do try to keep up.

>>96729478
Kek. He could've used a different shield, make the gunner sit perpendicular to the guns and put the feeding chute behind the shield it and he would've been fine.

>>96722392
Only the knight is similar and even that screams proxy shit
Since anon is retarded and can't stop to think I'll accept the hover-whirlwind in his mind
The rest though is straight generic scifi

>>96716285 (OP)
based GWen

>>96727648
eunuchs with too much free time

>>96731812
actually, the only thing i would consider problematic on these models above is that skull with wings icon on the tank, the dread and the bunker.
This thing alone makes it 100% a 40k proxy.

>>96716285 (OP)
>>96724805
Selling alternatives for GW minis that are compatible with GW games is perfectly legal and moral. No company gets to decide that competing against them is not allowed. As long as they don't look exactly the same and aren't named exactly the same and don't copy the trade dress (GW logo etc), it's all perfectly okay and GW attempting to dispute it is an anti-competitive practice that they should be punished for.

>>96729489
>But they are nowhere near enough in their design to actually mistake them for GW.
For you, maybe, but for those of us outside this whole thing, I thought he was selling their actual designs when I first saw them, I didn't realise they were tweaked versions. Sounds like he sits and waits for GW to release a collection, then copies all the separate figures at once, but I'm not invested enough in this to actually check.

>>96732585
>but for those of us outside this whole thing,
>I thought he was selling their actual designs

Yeah, sure.

>>96726926

GW already does that. They stole Shadowheart's face from BG3 for Lady Malys. They're insulated from being sued because they're a relatively big corporation; this would just even the playing field.

GW made their setting by stealing from all sorts of other stuff.

>>96722541
Depending on justification no they're not, you can in fact get done for a product derivative enough to cause confusion in consumers. Not that I'm commenting on the validity of the case but it can absolutely be ruled illegal and that would make the whole 'unfair competition' label make sense.

>>96732782
I did. I thought they were suing him for making their designs himself. It wasn't until someone posted comparisons that I realised they weren't the same thing. Not sure why that's so difficult to believe.

>>96729478
>GW owns the right to all manned turrets with two guns and a shield
Lick that boot a little harder.

>>96721268
>>96725892
>>96733119
>>96726007
>>96727327
This is a corporate shill/bot that's designed to make you hate copyright so that they can more easily steal from small creators.

>>96733759
Everybody hated copyright laws until AI.

>>96733911
The only people who ever hated copyright laws were uncreative parasites that wanted to steal.

>>96716285 (OP)
Deserved tbqh

Anyone get further than
>I don't think its very creative so its bad!
in relation to the legal dispute?

>>96737764
Yes, we got to the point of him blatantly ripping off entire GW sets. In fact, I don't think anyone has even suggested he's being sued for not being very creative, it's for unfair competition.

>>96721770
Looks like a starcraft character.

>>96737844
Does it seem like its an actual legal case with legs or not? That part has been unclear on account of everyone's emotional baggage and GW trauma.

>>96723247
I agree, we should treat copyright like property where once you aquire it you own it forever until you die or pass it to someone else. of course, we should also tax it based on estimated value. if you can't pay the taxes, then blackrock or vanguard can buy it as part of an auction and ban you or your descendents from using it unless you pay them rent.

>>96738004
I have no GW trauma, never bought anything from them, never played anything by them, it's not my thing, but I can say they do have a basis since it's from a company in the UK against an individual in the EU, where protections are notoriously very strong for copyright holders. He has very clearly been creating intentional copies of multiple GW's models, for the objective of selling to GW customers, to play in GW games.

I'm of the opinion that had he varied it up a bit and included some of his own unique models, or altered the style substantially, or mixed up the sets, or varied the designs more obviously (see this guy's post >>96729478, the pic shows how close he was copying GW, but with some changes it wouldn't be such a clear comparison), he would easily win the case. Unfortunately, he got too greedy and too hyperfixated on copying designs one after the other that it crossed the line into a likely win for GW.

>>96738128
Except copyright technically already gets taxed. Any money you make from your copyrighted works is taxed. If you're not making money from it, there's no "estimated value" to be taxed, because it's not making money... obviously. So adding an additional tax is pointless, and only serves to force individuals to give up their rights to big companies, whilst big companies can sit on them and just pay the 2nd tax indefinitely.

But you know this, which is why you said:
>if you can't pay the taxes, then blackrock or vanguard can buy it as part of an auction and ban you or your descendents from using it unless you pay them rent
because you're the shill pointed out here >>96733759

>>96718514
Commie moron lmfao every other system is literally worse.

>>96739177
Informative, thank you.

>>96724894
I support GW suing his ass. Not because they may even be in the right, or that I even like their company and don't desire their immediate dissolvement tomorrow, but because these sculpts look like utter dogshit.

>>96722189
>The UK respects the law!
>The U.S. is le dystopia!
Which one of them can be arrested for Facebook posts or owning an assault shovel, you embarrassing retard?

>>96739411
The US.

>https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/tennessee-facebook-arrest-trump-charlie-kirk-b2832831.html
>https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/shovel-wielding-man-anaheim-shot-225912761.html

>embarrassing retard
Good phrase, I genuinely can't imagine how embarrassed you are right now, you massive retard.

>>96722465
That's legal and protected though, retard.
That's the issue.
You are fucking ALLOWED to do that.
For example, I like Lord of the Rings. I am well within my rights to right some shitty knockoff version of my own, and getting sued by Amazon for it would be totally ridiculous and allow them a door to sue anyone for creating fantasy for any reason.

it's blowing my mind how many people are shitting on this guy for ripping off gw. what compels someone to bootlick for james workstein like this? the only real criticism i have of this guy is that the helmets he designed are ghastly and i wouldn't even pirate his files because of it

>>96739668
>For example, I like Lord of the Rings. I am well within my rights to right some shitty knockoff version of my own
You're not, though. You could write some shitty fanfic, sure, but you can't sell what you've written if you've stolen names, characters, places, etc., that are protected by copyright. Even Amazon isn't allowed to use Silmarillion content that they didn't have the rights to, for example.

>>96739668
You can't legally and aren't within your writes to, no.

>>96723081
Oh so you haven’t looked at his minis and are taking his word for it, ok. Ghamak, the guy known for stealing the prints of other 3rd parties totally didn’t steal his “ancient dreadnought” mini. Definitely not stealing when you’re unit shares the same general design, unit size, base size, loadout, weapon designs, has a barely changed name and in a lot of cases still has the same pose. Also it’s not like Ghamak didn’t recieve an actual cease and desist he’s being cagey about 2 years ago

>>96739886
Oh no people don’t like the guy who blatantly steals from other 3rd party printers and whose say on a cease and desist for years warning him to stop his retardation, oh no

>>96739290
That anon doesn't know what he is talking about and misuses the term copy where he should be using imitate. Regardless the unknown crux of the whole case is whether design aesthetics themselves are actually something covered under legal protection and to what extent. There is a limit on what can and cannot be claimed depending on how close to generic it is, as many things are just a combination of simple geometric shapes or of a historical/pre-existing context outside of what you have used them for. It is why the focus for these sorts of cases is generally around Trademark or Patent since those are legally registered within a certain and defined scope. If GW pursues the case on unfairly using what they believe are their wholly owned design aesthetics they need to prove a number of things to do this. Which will centre around proving the aesthetic can be legally defined, that it is not generic, that they own the aesthetic, and that these works use that aesthetic. At which point they then need to prove intent to deceive the consumer which will be hard given that none of these works claim to be legit, nor are they sold in the same market space as official GW products. So like I said there is a reason why these sorts of legal claims aim for working off Trademark/Copyright/Patent rather than just aesthetics/design.

>>96740147
To add to it as well, he's clearly paying for advertising so that when people search for the GW mini, his get suggested. It's pretty much an open and shut case.

>>96740190
>That anon doesn't know what he is talking about
>Regardless the unknown crux of the whole case is whether design aesthetics themselves are actually something covered under legal protection and to what extent.
Amazing you say these two things in the same post.

>>96740190
>nor are they sold in the same market space as official GW products.
Looks like they are >>96740147

>>96740190
But this legal claim isn't working off trademark/copyright/patent though, it's unfair competition...

>>96740219
Ghamak sells STLs, not physical product. The claim that GW would need to make there is against Etsy and the seller producing them. Even if officially licensed it doesn't change anything since again what was sold by Ghamak was digital files. Literally all prior precedent for these sorts of cases focused around the two products being on the same shelf space which could deceive the consumer.

>>96740236
Yes that is my exact point. This is extremely open ended for GW and not normal for them. Last time they went in blind like this was Chapterhouse when had actual Trademark violations to claim and lost a lot of it because as it turns out they didn't actually have Trademark on a lot of the stuff they claimed. And when it came down to claims on aesthetic designs and ownership of them during that case they got wrecked and laughed at.

>>96740243
Think of it more like going after servers illegally hosting movies, rather than going after the mirrors.

>>96740266
And GW already tried that and has given up. Cults and others already agreed to a very reasonable middle ground when it comes to all of this stuff and told GW to fuck off regarding the rest. Which is why GW has now switched up to tracking down the individual creators and going after them in local courts where they can attempt to just bankrupt the person with legal costs.

>>96740279
Not sure why you're trying to obsfucate this with a bunch of other irrelevant stuff but it's pretty clear in this case: this Ghamak guy is being sued because he's trying to make an entire brand of knockoffs of GW products, and he's clearly both pervasive and blatant enough to be targetted.

>>96739189
government double dips for physical property, I don't see why they shouldn't also double dip on nonphysical rent seekers?

>>96740320
That is GW's legal claim sure, whether it is provable or has any merit is up for the courts to decide. People forget how much of a straight forward slam dunk that Chapterhouse looked like initially and see how that ended up.

>>96739983
>>96740025
Let me rephrase myself, because you're obviously kind of slow and obtuse.
When I say "Make a Lord of the Rings knockoff," what I mean is that ALL FUCKING FANTASY is hypothetically a LotR knockoff. You cannot copyright the concept of fantasy, or magic rings, or evil lords, or any of that shit. 40k is the exact same; you are allowed to make space marines, space imperiums, god emperors, etc.
There is literally nothing so aesthetically and intellectually unique about 40k that they have the grounds to stand on. They own 40k, but they don't own the science fiction concepts that 40k uses. Which means, yes, you can do whatever the fuck you want.
Just because you're autistic, litigious little pussies doesn't change that you're legally well within your rights to make science fiction models. What copyright are the infringing on? Games Workshop doesn't own shit like the mere concept of space soldiers.

>>96740190
Also informative thank you anon.
Interesting followup question about if a thing is classified as generic or not, like an army man perhaps. If a design or style becomes so popular it is widely known and influential does it become generic?

>>96740355
>Games Workshop doesn't own shit like the mere concept of space soldiers
The funny part is that was literally proven in court when they went after that children's book.

>>96740355
>When I say "Make a Lord of the Rings knockoff," what I mean is that ALL FUCKING FANTASY is hypothetically a LotR knockoff.
But if you then sold a book where you took the exact same text from LotR, swapped out some letters for the proper nouns, and then tried to sell it as "The Lord of the Blings: The Fellowship of the Bling", you'd get sued into oblivion. Only a dishonest loser faggot would try to conflate the entire fantasy genre with blatant knockoffs.

>>96740380
Yeah it is a bit of a grey area but that is apparently what happened as a result of Chapterhouse. GW wanted to go and trademark a bunch of their WHFB stuff after it for protections, and it was denied because the stuff was deemed generic enough to not qualify. Not only that but that setting itself having been around so long was part of why it was considered generic because it was one of the common examples that had risen to cultural status. That is part of why WHFB got blown up and we got AoS with it horrible non-descriptive but completely trademarkable unit names.

>>96740380
To further this >>96740422 I have to imagine that GW isn't going to try and step into the minefield of trying to claim general aesthetics and ownership thereof, and will instead focus on individual kits they believe are being copied. Where that will get potentially interesting if that is the case is if they get asked why they never responded to Ghamak asking for clarification on which kits/models were the offending ones and requests about how they could be altered to meet requirements etc. Because whilst there are definitely kits that could be viewed as skirting a line he has plenty of other stuff that is no where near existing GW models. This will be an interesting case if it goes to court regardless, so I do hope he is able to get it to that point.

>>96740443
>Where that will get potentially interesting if that is the case is if they get asked why they never responded to Ghamak asking for clarification on which kits/models were the offending ones and requests about how they could be altered to meet requirements etc.
You're assuming he's even telling the truth that they didn't.

>>96740454
Given GW legal's historical behaviour, yes I consider that to be believable. This is the same department that recently made a legal claim on a Battletech product from a website, after saying they had someone purchase said product and view it to confirm infringement on their trademark.

>>96740443
That's a part I think is interesting too as cultural artifacts. I think the homogenization of the astartes aesthetics and other power armoured heroguys over time is certainly a notable trend which is linked to their popularity but would also mean after a certain point they're so ubiquitous its not GWs idea anymore. Neat to see how/what legal structures do with that.
>>96740422
>>96740454
That one's easy to prove one way or another with timestamped communications.

>>96740510
... how does them getting a product as an example of trademark infringement related to being unable to reply to emails?

>>96740519
Because screenshots and timestamps can't be faked...

We literally have no way of knowing what is or isn't true without seeing actual legal documents submitted to the court. It cannot simply be taken for granted that exaggerations and lies aren't being added as part of a big grift from a creatively-bankrupted parasite looking to score sympathy money by conning anti-GW rabids on his way out of an illegal business he's been riding on for too long.

>>96740407
You're allowed to be inspired by things, use ideas, and create new worlds.
You can make a variant on the concept of a tech priest the same way you can make a variant on the hobbit; that's what a halfling is.
You're just a binary-brained retard. Everything is either ALL stealing or ALL new, with no real room for nuance. This evidences your autism, and makes it impossible to communicate with you because you're too stupid to understand a nuanced universe.

>>96740552
>You're allowed to be inspired by things, use ideas, and create new worlds.
Nobody is saying otherwise.
>You can make a variant on the concept of a tech priest the same way you can make a variant on the hobbit; that's what a halfling is.
Nobody is saying otherwise.
>You're just a binary-brained retard. Everything is either ALL stealing or ALL new, with no real room for nuance. This evidences your autism, and makes it impossible to communicate with you because you're too stupid to understand a nuanced universe.
And there you go shitting yourself again with irrelevant tantrums. No, it's not all stealing or all new, never said it at all. Seriously, it's like you're arguing with your own retarded head and then getting angry about it.

Fact is this: you don't understand what you legally can or can't do. You seem to think you can just take things that are protected by copyright (like the Lord of the Rings, a notoriously very protected IP) and nothing will happen, in fact not just that but that it's your RIGHT to do so. You're a fucking spastic, and you're genuinely too stupid to waste any more time explaining such a basic concept to.

>>96740548
>How does showing a previous instance of their incompetence prove the possibility of a further act of incompetence

>>96740584
Your argument is literally that you can't understand what I'm saying.

>>96740147
>>96740192
>>96740219
jesus christ this actually really changes the context of the legal stuff

using sponsored advertising to sell your cheaper product when someone is searching for the product of a different company, and your product is blatantly based on the design of the competition, yeah, that seems like the legal definition of, "Unfair Competition"

>>96740548
There will be literal timestamps in the send and receive data of messages you idiot.

>>96740646
Nothing that prevents gw from also paying for sponsored advertising.

>>96740646
It doesn't change much given that Ghamak isn't responsible for those listings. It is a printer service company using his STLs on a 3rd party website. At most this could be used as an example of the 'end result' of him creating and selling his STLs, but that in and of itself doesn't necessarily constitute a direct violation GW's ownership implied or otherwise. This is exactly why things are so fucky wucky with all of this because what GW sells and what STL makers sell are two different products in two different markets.

>>96740700
>he thinks those can't be manipulated
>he thinks just denying you received an email will give you a timestamp
You're very gullible.

>>96740745
That's irrelevant, though. The point is whether products can be mistaken for one another by consumers, and the answer is (unless you're a diehard fan) yes. Chances are GW will just standardise the designs, show the judge a random selection of both theirs and the knockoffs, and ask them to see if they can accurately differentiate them, and the judge obviously won't be able to.

>>96742696

Ghamak sells STLs, not physical models. I think a judge will be able to tell the difference between a box of sprues and a download link.
It's akin to claiming that a recipe book for home-cooked McDonalds will impact sales of Big Macs.

>>96743112
But will a judge be able to tell the difference between the two recipes if presented with them? No.

>>96739264
>Take my word for it, peon.

>>96743355
But McD is not selling their recepies. Its apples and oranges.

>>96743440
Film studios often aren't selling streams on first release, doesn't mean the illegal streaming sites are providing a different product. At the end of the day, this guy is making money with knockoffs of GW portfolios, which we all know is wrong, and now he's being sued for it.

>>96743483
Knockoffs are not illegal per se Anon. GW sometimes has a very wide idea of what is their intellectual property. They tried to copyright the term space marine if you have forgotten that.

>>96743483
Apples and Oranges again. Ghamak is not taking GW models, scans and resells them. He makes own figures. It's like you take a movie, and you and a couple of friends use the script to film your own version of it, selling it online under a different title. The story will be pretty much the same, but the product, despite being also a movie, is completely different.

>>96716285 (OP)
3D proonters who play only play proxy warhammer with shitty knockoffs are the most embarrassing fucking poorfags I could possibly imagine. Endless youtube videos about how much they hate GW and yet they can never tear themselves away from it and intentionally choose to live as a sad reflection rather than just playing anything else. Sad.

>>96717094
Funny how any tankies argument to "when capitalism turns toxic" is the exact moment the company enlists the government to enact their force for them. Companies having courts fight their competition for them is the exact opposite of "free market".

>>96726926
that already happens and nobody does shit because the multi billion dollar company has the resources to silence you

>>96743535
Except you can’t “slavishly imitate” which is what he is doing. Like was said earlier in the thread, hand modeling a copy of pikachu with a tophat and selling it as eikachu is in fact probably not legal even with this example being frankly way more transformative than the guys actual stls

>>96743535
>He makes own figures.

Which take GW design elements with the inention of being similar so that he can sell it to people interested in GW models.

>>96743530
>Knockoffs are not illegal per se Anon.

They definitely are anon, the only issue is knock offs are typically made in countries that don't enforce the copyrights of foreigners.

>>96743112
If I take a picture of someone's painting with my camera and sell the rights to use it as a digital artwork, that would be fine ylin your view because the other person work is physical and mine is digital?

After all a judge should be able to tell the difference between canvas and a png

>>96743893
Klemmbausteine Intensiviert.

>>96744070
Have you been in any supermarket lately? Did you not notice that there are certain types of food, and many companies do pretty much the same items, just with slightly different packaging and logos?
If i go to a local store here, i find Mars chocolate bars, and i find at least 3 different named chocolate bars, that are pretty much identical in their design and recipe, but named differently (and priced cheaper).
In what country do you think this would be illegal?

>>96744074
>If I take a picture of someone's painting with my camera

But he is not selling scanned GW models. Try at least to make sense with your argument there.
Its like you use photoshop or your fingers to re-paint Mona Lisa, and then sell YOUR VERSION of Mona Lisa, while naming it "Lona Misa" so everyone knows its not the original. (and it also looks like pic related)

>>96744074

No because a photo is directly copying the original in all aspects, whereas Ghamak is recreating a close approximation but still built from scratch.
A closer example would be trying to recreate art using MSPaint and selling a shitty proxy that is clearly worse but still legally distinct.

>>96744115
>>96744104

This is Ghamak, basically.

>>96743893
Almost as if free market is a pipe dream that companies have no reason to uphold if they get to dominate instead. GW is just acting on this form of feudalism and its customers are literal peasants.

>>96744127
Pretty much this. And thats why its so silly to claim he is "copying" GW. Like he wishes he could. He makes proxies, which is totally fine as long as he stays away from their logos and other trademarked things.

The GW defense force is amusing to watch contort with this one.

>>96744104
Look at my completely original painting anon, I'm glad people like you are fighting for my rights to sell the rights to this

>>96744390
Since the people trying to sell this are trying to oppress me :(

>>96744390
Funny how you think this might be illegal:
https://www.etsy.com/search?q=Mona%20Lisa&ref=search_bar

>>96743875
>hate GW
>still contribute to Warhammer's TTWG hegemony.

>>96717094

So you're against government intervention in the economy? You might be a libertarian

>>96744480
That's because it's hundreds of year old dumbass, I was just showing an example of something obviously being a copy despite almost every single pixel being different.

>>96740646
i think that's an etsy vendor.

>>96739548
Different anon.
Not american either
Dude your country is trying to implement Digital IDs
you can get arrested for twitter crimes
And your National health service decided to publish an article on the benefit of cousin marriage.
your nation is a laughing stock.
your legal is a joke often used by people to dodge good law.