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>>96724323
Are you aware of autosage?

I am disgusted by the lack of mechs designed to fight underwater. Aside from a gimic Solaris mech I am not aware of any dedicated undersea mech platforms. This is a blight on the franchise. I demand underwater designs and the addition of Submarine quadvees.

>>96724382
>Submarine quadvees.
pretty based, ngl.

>>96724382
There's a hatamoto-chi variant IIRC

>>96724382
I wish torpedoes were alternative ammo for SMR/LRM instead of requiring their own launchers that are otherwise identical to SRM/LRM launchers. That would make outfitting mechs for underwater combat before the existence of omnimechs more practical.

There actually are a bunch of omni configurations designed for underwater combat (most configs with the U-designation, though some are for space combat instead), but until you could easily swap pod-mounted components to give a mech torpedo launchers and UMU the niche for a underwater fighting mech was just too narrow to dedicate a mech variant entirely to it.

>>96724382
Bro, your Spindrift?
What we also need is more illegal mech racing like that one fireball in Xtro: Most Wanted

>>96724382
I had an idea for an underwater Vindicator, with the LRMs replaced with torpedoes and jumpjets with UMUs since it has the watercooling quirk for its PPC. It helps that it looks kinda like an Acguy from Gundam if you squint a bit, with the big round head that tapers off into a narrow grill "mouth".

>>96724336
Talk like that is why you're a loser! A loser!

Spess whale in BT when?

>>96724579
t. Nekki Basara

>>96724579
There are those big squid things that live in hyperspace, you just don't see them much because Jumpships dip in and out in fractions of a second.

>>96724382
Generally the U designation for omnimechs is reserved for either space or underwater.

The problem with underwater mechs is that the equipment they need to not die in the magical death acid is so heavy and bulky that it becomes a real downside just to have it. You need harjel to avoid a single breach killing the entire mech, you need UMUs (so no jump jets), you need a full head ejection system so your pilots don't die, you need torpedo launchers instead of just letting LRMs and SRMs fire torpedos, it's so much crap.

>>96724719
What we really need is aquatic armor that helps prevent breach checks and removes the need to put harjel everywhere.

>>96724800
Maybe bipedal robots just arent meant for underwater

>>96724825
Nonsense, bipedal robots are meant for any environment.

>Like unit X's color scheme
>Canonically X was stationed in the planet Y doing Z
>But I want them to be in the area A, fighting and shits with the rest of my other dudes
What do
>Is it common enough for a House regiment to send out a lance or company far away doing something else, while the main force is stationed elsewhere?

>>96724904
No, not really. Most House units may split themselves up into battalions to garrison several worlds, but sending a single company out on detached duty is usually not done, that's what Mercs are for.

Could the mechs Wolf's Dragoons brought like the Anni, Imp and etc have been salvageable/repairable with 3025 IS techs when the other parties got it? Asking because IIRC the Drac's couldn't touch the Stone Rhino despite of it being downgraded to the Introtech level

>>96724659
What? Tell me more

>>96725542
Purrgil are from Star Wars.

>>96725493
The rest of them were IS spec mechs to begin with, even though the Imp was a clan original, it was first built to star league specs since clantech hadn't been invented yet. The Stone Rhino is special in that its origin is as an Amaris boondoggle that never worked, then a clan version of that just to prove they could do what Amaris couldn't, then that bespoke downgrade back to IS levels. The thing was probably chock full of unique clan components that only the original customization team had the specific technical expertise to work with. I'd bet even the average clan mechtech would struggle with trying to repair it to its weird downgrade condition.

>>96725568
Oh I thought you were saying that there were space squids in BT. My bad.

>>96725595
I'm not the anon you were talking to. I didn't bring up Purrgil. I just know that Purrgil are from Star Wars. So I told you.

>>96724524
You can use MML launchers for torpedoes right? Still doesn't solve your issue or the alternative ammo situation. Inferno torpedoes when?

>>96725595
There are space squids, though. Well, hyperspace squids. It's in the sourcebooks.

>>96725609
Gotcha. No worries.

>>96725629
Which books? A quick search on Sarna isn't giving me anything, but I'm probably not giving it the right terms.

>>96724719
Kraken Unleashed deserves a better grade if amphibious mech, and I am going to give it to them. After I get home for work. Probably.

>>96725542
This is all we got for not!Warp creature

>>96725652
Ahhh from the Conspiracy books. Thanks. I wish we got more of the conspiracy stuff. Always fun things to pepper into games.

Hey /btg/ longtime lurker here.

I've taken up writing, mostly as a hobby and an emotional outlet of sorts, and for some reason I wanted to set a story in the BT universe.
If anyone has a few minutes I'd love some feedback on writing style or lore mistakes. This is a first draft (I haven't even read the whole thing thru yet), so please excuse grammatical and other mistakes of that sort. I've gotten 60 pages written down and wanted to know if I should just drop it and try something else before wasting my time.

Thanks to anyone who takes the time to read it in advance!

>>96725644
Interstellar Players 1. But both ISP 1 and 2 are a collection of in-universe conspiracy theories. Some have been proven true (like the WoB having a secret cyborg army), some are certainly untrue, but most (including the possible existence of giant ship-eating hyperspace squid) are left unconfirmed.

>>96725645
Clan Irritated Penguin will be ready to face them.

Should it read as [mapsheets] instead of [hexes]?

What kind of rocket launcher is added to a fighter's external weapon store? Is it whichever you want (ie 10, 15, 20)?

Not sure if this was real Tom or not, at least he wasn't a manlet?

>>96725724
Let me get this straight, infantry is advancing on foot into a village with non-assuredly-friendly Bushwacker standing in the middle of it? That's not just suicidal, that's straight up Darwin's award. You need guys on all the drugs to do it. Assuming an approach that doesn't require to snort a couple kilograms of cocaine mixed with meth they should have started the fight with handheld SRM barrage on the mech at least.

It's the same reason people try to not attack MBTs while their heaviest armament is LMG. Cause they would get mowed down like lemmings.

>>96725801
Yes

>>96725724
Your writing is a little dry. I would replace the explanation style description with sensory cues. You want phrases that evoke a visceral feeling in the reader, emotional and personal. Your first two paragraphs in your sample are laden with dry description that places a barrier between the reader and the scene. You have a scene with soldiers shooting up a village, women and children running around screaming, and none of it feels like it's actually happening. The first paragraph is to build the tension, and the second paragraph is to break it with action. Neither of these things happen because you're just saying what happens instead of putting the reader there in the villagers' shoes, experiencing what they are experiencing. Instead, the reader is getting a lecture straight from the author.
Think about something dramatic that happened in your own life, like witnessing a car crash or some other moment where the unexpected suddenly occurred, something that affected you emotionally. How would you have described that moment to a friend? How would you have walked them through your feelings as it happened?

I don't remember asking

>>96725954
If his face is scarred, it's the false one. Still one of the better Captain-Generals.

>>96726000
on the previous page it says how the bushwacker is part of a force "flushing out" the village.
>>96726136
>none of it feels like it's actually happening
you're right. i meant to convey a feeling of physical distance and unrealness to the event, but when I go back to edit I think I'll make it a tad more emotional or visceral. Maybe pointing out how the sounds of shrieking children messed with the MC's ability to think clearly.
That was from early in the text, pic related is from later on in a dream sequence. MC has been experiencing PTSD whilst trying to adjust to his old village life he had left behind.

>>96725831
I think it's a 10

>>96725954
Did you finish the Warrior trilogy?

>>96726214
Writing is a skill like anything else, and it takes a lot of practice to get good at it. The best thing I ever did for writing was take college classes that included peer critique sessions. You learn a lot from both having your work critiqued and critiquing the work of others. It's very hard to get anybody to spend the time to do that outside of a collegiate setting.

>>96726153
How's the real one described as? Burnt and mangled?

>>96726298
The real one is also scarred, but he isn't "Thomas Marik" anymore and wouldn't be in a FWL uniform. Thomas got his shit rocked by a bomb and then miraculously reappeared with heavy scarring. The real Thomas went off to do Comstar stuff and the false Thomas went on to be the Captain-General after dealing with the guy who bombed Janos and real Thomas.

>>96726341
They were mix and match at the start, with the false Thomas acting as a body double for a while before the real Thomas withdrew from Captain-Generalship more and more until he was essentially absent altogether other than to sometimes send orders for the false Thomas to coordinate with the WoB. So they have to look the same at least in the 3030s and maybe 3040s. Basically any time he shows up before the WoB start acting up, it's impossible to know which Thomas is "on screen" unless the source explicitly tells you.

>>96724308 (OP)
Why has there never been a mech game or show or anything where small mechs pilot people? It's such an obvious turn it must have happened.

>>96726445
Ratatouille.

>>96726445
Only if more mechs had hand actuators

>>96726242
I guess a couple shots of 10 isn't so bad

>>96724524
>That would make outfitting mechs for underwater combat before the existence of omnimechs more practical.

I kind of like that underwater Mechs are such a niche. It's such a different environment, it makes sense that most Mechs were be of questionable use unless specially adapted. Same as space.

>>96724336
picrel

>>96726445
Men in Black (the very first one)
arguably Gleipnir (it's mecha or fursuit, depending on how you look at it)

>>96726710
Isn't autosage different from a bump limit

Starslayer 3D or 3Dr?

So why don't the people of the free worlds league like 'borgs?

>>96727180
Word of Blake

>>96727180
You know that 80s trope of cybernetics eating away at your humanity until you become an empty husk or a psycho? The FWL generally believes that to be true, because they had a Captain-General who survived an assassination and came back as the 6 million C-bill man. He went from a beloved leader with good policies to an iron-fisted tyrant sending secret police to disappear anyone who looked at him funny. The change may have been for any number of reasons, but the public holds that it was the cybernetics.

>>96726826
>Isn't autosage different from a bump limit
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>>96726904
Stormcrow Prime

>>96727235
I need it to be jump capable, everything else in the lance is at least a 5/8/5

>>96727259
Stooping Hawk F

Name this mech.

>>96727340
Steve

>>96726826
yes
bump limit is the threshold
autosage is the state of being on the other side of that threshold

>>96727340
Pretty long-range, let's give it a sniper-type name (=light infantry, even though it's not particularly fast).

Grenzer? Tirailleur? Zouave? Some fucking way there's no Mech called the Ranger.

>>96727338
My force is not Blood Spirit.

>>96727340
>AC/2 in the legs
What would that even look like? I guess you're not using it at kicking range.

>>96727259
Griffin?

>>96727392
I assume like the Crusader, with the ACs high on the hips.

What is the best setting for an introductory mini campaign for people who are new to BT? I was thinking about Solaris, straight to the point fighting, refits, different objectives etc.

>>96727393
Griffin fits the bill, but I already have a Starslayer primed along with the rest of the lance.

>>96727215
what was his name? gotta look it up

>>96727407
Oarai... I mean Somerset Academy cadets

>>96727407
Solaris is fine, but it's a different feel, and while there are lance-sized S7 bouts, it's mostly about the duels.

I'd do a small raid on a border planet. Limited, achievable objectives with some stretch goals, and good time table, a clock that's ticking (until reinforcements arrive) but not so strict as to he super stressful...

>>96727429
Duncan Marik iirc

>>96727391
Factions are just more. They don't matter. As long as you're within BV limits you can play whatever you want.

>>96727407
Merc work for a House on a border world. Give them House troop allies. Get a few raid games out of that. They get company store treatment over repairs and ammo. Then force them to fight their former House troop allies as they raid local warehouse over back pay, then rescue their civilian personnel, then fight to hold spaceport as they evacuate. End campaign with them having to defend their actions to the MRB. You could get 4 - 8 games out of that.

>>96724308 (OP)
Why are the arms hair and not...arms?

>>96727561
I want to play a faction.

>>96727582
Lame and gay. Why handicap yourself like that? This is a game, and the point is to win.

>CBT Aces will based on the updated rule that's being playtested now
So the earliest gonna be Summer~Fall 2026

>>96727787
Any news on new rules?

>>96727801
They just put out the second set of playtest stuff last week and the whole list of proposed changes was leaked last month

>>96727819
>They just put out the second set of playtest stuff last week
Link?

>>96727890
https://battletech.com/playtest-battletech/
The contents of the gear playtest has been leaked elsewhere.

>>96727709
Is this a shitpost designed to bait rage, or is it your unironic dogshit opinion?

>>96725627
>You can use MML launchers for torpedoes right?
Nope, errata'd out years ago.

Anyone have any updates on the status of the nu-MUL? It's been like 2 years already. The last excuse was a hurricane from 2024.

>>96724543
>You're
Get out of here, freebirth!

Are Ares any good or are they just a meme? I heard they're technically cheaper than a Clantech Madcat, but do they pull their own weight in a fight?

>>96727982
>"clantech madcat"

>>96727982
They're not as overwhelming as their stature might suggest, one Ares by itself is a sitting duck. It's the firepower and armor of 1.5 good assaults, but the movement is on the slow end. Most configurations have a big gun that can reach out far, but the majority of their firepower is up close. They need supporting elements.

>Weather getting colder
>Room is a little too chilly for comfort
Well I guess it's time to start playing MW5 again

>>96719494
Rolling for the last Liao spot

>>96728364
Whoops

>>96728331
Make sure all your unpainted minis are primed before it gets too cold and wet outside. Priming indoors is a G A S.

>>96728377
I brush prime all my minis.

>>96728060
I love that little shit like you wouldn't believe.

>>96728377
More like thank god it's fall and finally the humidity will be low enough not to fuck up my priming.

>>96728374
Never mind I'm apparently too drunk to do this right now

>>96728391
The Rakshasa's actually a pretty solid Mech, it just isn't a fucking Timber Wolf.

Though honestly I can't think of a situation where I wouldn't prefer a Falconer.

>>96728450
>Though honestly I can't think of a situation where I wouldn't prefer the best I.S. heavy ever designed.
You don't say.

>>96728533
Both in-lore and out, the Falconer and Rakshasa are contemporaries. They're both members of the first generation of anti-Clan Mechs, in this case fast, hard-hitting heavies intended to match the Mad Dogs, Summoners, and Timber Wolves.

They're like the Gunslinger and Cerberus. One is obviously better, but they're Mechs designed at the same time for the same role. It makes sense to compare them.

Post new Ostwar art.

>>96728377
>>96728394
I'm in the Pacific NW and I got fucked hard now. I was busy for the entire summer and missed the only time of the year to spray outside.

Can you guys help me distribute these mechs among the 3025 factions?
>Spider
>Centurion
>Hunchback
>Ostsol
>Quickdraw
>Catapult
>Stalker
>Cyclops x2
>Mackie

>>96728825
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:Draconis_Combine_BattleMechs

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:Capellan_Confederation_BattleMechs

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:Federated_Suns_BattleMechs

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:Lyran_Commonwealth_BattleMechs

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:Free_Worlds_League_BattleMechs

>>96728825
>spider
FWL or DC
>centurion
Fedsuns
>hunchback
DC
>ostsol
FWL
>quickdraw
DC
>catapult
DC or CC
>stalker
LC or FWL
>cyclops
CC
>mackie
FWL

All of these except the Mackie could go basically anywhere. Mackies are rare, but there was one known to be active in the Fusiliers of Oriente.

>>96728825
>4th Lyran Regulars
Hunchback
Centurion
Ostsol
Catapult
Stalker
Mackie

>Legion of Vega
Spider
Quickdraw
Cyclops x2

>>96728843
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:German_renamed_units

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:Marian_Hegemony_Related_Categories

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:Arc-Royal_Liberty_Coalition_Systems

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:Template_Category_TOC_on_category_with_over_1200_pages

Also remember that faction typical units will also be found in smaller but still very noticeable numbers in anyone they fight on a regular basis.

>>96728901
Oh I know. Thats how I get to steal Drac mechs. I like to show my Dracs the nice new shiny thing that they in theory could get, then paint it blue and put a Fist decal on. Silly samurai. You are in the Legion of Vega. You honor the dragon with your Quickdraws and Chargers. The lyrans will take care of the Akuma.

>>96728825
>Mackie

>>96728807
I remember visiting Seattle once in the fall and it was so gorgeous. Sunny, mid-60s.

I asked my friend what was up with the reputation, and he said that I'd arrived during the annual week of good weather. Apparently something happens similar to San Francisco, where for a very short period during the fall the winds come from inland, so that A. they're much drier and warmer and B. they dump all their moisture before the mountains anyway.

>>96728940
The last time WWII-era Sherman tanks were used in battle was probably the 80s, and M18 Hellcats were used in the Yugoslav Wars in the 90s!

I also once witnessed someone buy a C130 that had been in some random museum. It had been in the museum for 30+ years. Apparently it took all of 2 weeks of work to get it in good enough condition to fly to a real overhaul facility. There are still a few C130s from the first production run in the mid-50s that have been in continuous use, by now mostly in private hands in the developing world where they're used to access remote mining and oil facilities.

The best one, of course, is that PM M1910s (Russian-built licensed Maxim guns) are allegedly being used in Ukraine right now.

Why does it feel like the Drac mechs, especially earlier ones, are somewhat flawed in design?

Do we actually have a flag for Kentares IV? The Second Sword of Light wears it as a badge of honor but I dunno what it even looks like.

>>96729080
Early design choices mean that there are only a few actually good mechs. Going by original production info, The Suns-Combine border is a slapfight zone where heavy lances build around riflemen and Jagermechs go up against AC-5 Dragons and Quickdraws.

>>96729080
because they are addicted to using PPC with SHS?

How many spiders on the field before it starts getting ridiculous?

>>96729084
Really? I thought even the Dracs think it's disgrace and tries to forget it

>>96729135
Yes, but really no.

It's a reference to the real world samurai (and early 20th century) idea where it's super honorable to dishonor yourself on your lord's orders.

>>96729135

The 2nd wears it to embody how their members are willing to dishonor themselves in service to the Coordinator.

>>96729135
It's a mix, Dracs do find it disgraceful, but also disgracing yourself if it means ensuring the Coordinator's honor is itself noble.
Are they proud of Kentares? Depends on which samurai you ask, but plenty would feel ashamed by the act, Drac themed books on the Massacre don't paint it in a good light as far as I'm aware. They'd also do it again in a heartbeat if the Coordinator ordered it.

Ironically, the Coordinator who was assassinated on Kentares, Minoru Kurita, would probably have been horrified at what his son did in retaliation.
Even the Dracs low key acknowledge Jinjiro Kurita was a fucking nutcase.

>>96729161
Isn't there a unit with the motto 'Death to Kenterans'?

Are there any combat enhancing drugs in universe or am I going to need to cook some meth?

>>96729196
Horrorific acts + time = memes

>>96729080
As the major of the designated 'Bad Guy' factions their equipment is supposed to look intimidating but able to be bested by the mechs of the heroic davion man

>>96729199
Mostly classic sci fi trope where stuff called ChemCourage and Rage and Spazz is used by various organizations despite their krokodil tier drawbacks.

The clans of course have drugs that literally let you see the future.

>>96729199
>>96729224
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:Drugs_and_poisons
All my fellow SAFE operatives burn Can-Do

You know, I never thought that the Cappies would be friendlier with mercs than the Taurians when it comes to sharing battle armor

>>96729529
Liao is Great House and does Great House things, even if they are the second worst Great House.
The Taurians are just a bunch of periphery shitters.

>>96729545
But even the Canopians are willing to shell out Amazons and Theseuses. Taurians and the Froncs keep a tighter hold on their stuff. I'm also surprised that the Cappies were willing to sell their Shen Longs and Ying Longs so mercs would be able to use mimetic armor.

>>96727580
Kuku has never thought with his brain when drawing. A Warhammer could easily pull off those weird princess sleeve things- where the upper arm of the sleeve is all poofy and shit while the forearm is really slim.

'sides, Shikal's done plenty more BattleMecha Musume.

>>96729593
>Shikal's done plenty more BattleMecha Musume

Who? Never heard that name before.

>Level 1 Depth 1
Do they cancel out or something?
Also, is there any advantage/disadvantage for standing or walking by on Depth 0 water tile?

While MechWarrior 3 got a novelization that ended up canon than the source game, any reason why other MechWarrior games, and even the MechCommander duology didn't get the same treatment (novelizations that end up the canon depiction of events)?

>>96729621
I actually scuffed the name with an l instead of an i. Shikai1's a cutesy artist who's recently gone on a BT binge for some reason. Since images are borked on my end, here's a link to the earliest MechGirl I can find, Mad Cat II:
>https://www.deviantart.com/shikai1/art/1-Mad-Cat-MK2-Mech-girl-1186126248

>>96729721
Oh yeah, I know this one.
Most of his are pretty good, sometimes the legs and body proportion is a bit weird.

>>96729161
Considering the modern state of Kentares IV the locals have began chanting Jinjiro Kurita, do it again!

>>96729762
Kentares has grass that lives off animal blood, that place is messed up.

>>96724904

Sorenson’s Sabres, McKinnon’s Company and The Rolling Thunders Company are all lore examples of indipendent Companies detached from an House Regiment for long periods of time for specific tasks, even in recent novels (Letter of the Law)) we see a company of the 1st FW Guards under Trenton Marik getting detached to investigate the Gryphons attack on Stewart. I would say you can easily come up with a reasonable explanation on why your own company was detached from the rest of the unit

Looking at the RATs, I'm surprised the Longinus is pretty rare. Then again, it is having to compete with the Amazon and you would probably get better SRM performance by bringing an actual dedicated SRM BA.

>>96729180
The fact other IS nations didn't retaliate or condemn the dracs is fucking retarded writing.

>>96729975
Kentares was remarkable for its personal touch, but every Successor State did as bad and worse.

>>96727709
You speak like a 40k compfag, kill yourself immediately.

>>96729975
Like the other anon said, what made Kentares notable was the context around it and the fact they did completely on the ground. The genocide of an entire planet's population is itself unremarkable for the Succession Wars, pretty much every Great House has a long list of atrocities to their name.
That's the point really, regardless of details or culture, ultimately the entire Inner Sphere has become a barbaric crab bucket, devolving into soulless murder going on for centuries, all in the name of winning a war for an empty throne they don't even really care about anymore.

I'm dense as a brick and not sure I've correctly interpreted the rule that says a unit of battle armor performing a swarming attack cannot be targeted. Mostly with the idea of an enemy declaring an attack against them before the swarming attack is declared. Does that mean:

>Enemy mech declares shots on battle armor
>Battle armor declares swarming attack
>When resolving attacks, all the shots on the battle armor become "invalid" since they are performing the swarming attack, regardless of order declared attacks are resolved in

The Avalanche's lore says it is flawed, but does that actually pan out in play? The Wolf Trap is way better than its lore. How well does the Wenigo stack up?

>>96729084
As seen on p.99, Handbook: House Davion

>>96730391

Thank you!

>>96729135
>The Massacre was the turning point in the First Succession War. Up until that point, the Federated Suns seemed almost on the verge of collapse. The Massacre rallied the population and the AFFS, who soon began pushing back against the invaders.
>Contributing to this reversal was the demoralization of the DCMS—as the butchery dragged on, more and more DCMS soldiers found themselves unable to cope with the unthinkable slaughter. Many began to deliberately overlook or even actively hide groups of Kentaren civilians, while other soldiers committed suicide in the wake of Kentares, unable to live with the shame of having been complicit.[13] The few soldiers who could stand it to be responsible for the mass murder of millions of civilians still saw it as a personal loss of honor according to bushido. By 2818, the AFFS pushed the Combine back to its prewar borders.[5][14]
>[...]
>The massacre was the main reason for the Draconis March's hate for the Draconis Combine, even two centuries after, and the name of the planet still shames the Combine. The massacre was remembered every year in the Kentares Day, a national day of mourning, the first Friday of every October, in which memorial services are held in every church. On Kentares, the memorial service lasts three days, followed by another seven days of mourning.[16]

In summary the Kentares Massacre is not only seen as shameful by the Combine in general, but unironically cost them the First Succession War since prior to that they were pushing the Fedsuns to the point of collapse.

Imagine how crazy THAT timeline would have looked.

>Be Davionman
>One of your peasants shot and killed the Coordinator of the Draconis Combine
>His psychopath son is the new coordinator
>Oh fuck
>Order a mass retreat off Kentares because you don't want to face the reprisal
>Psychopath takes it out on the population
>Doesn't even use orbital bombardment or missiles or anything fast
>Straight up his troops on the ground decapitating entire towns worth of people with katanas and other brutal shit
>Do absolutely nothing to stop it
>Dracs get bored and leave
>Make memorial for the entire planet worth of people who just got mass murdered while you watched
>It's pic related
Does anyone feel like this memorial feels pretty disrespectful? Like, it's just a massive Fedsuns symbol with a sword going through a dragon. It feels less like a place of mourning and more like a PR stunt.

>>96730546
Ah shit, forgot pic

>>96730546
At least the grass grew well afterwards.

>>96724308 (OP)
9m? hammer is so fuccking cool. two heavy ppc and an mml9

>>96724382

>mechs
>fighting under...
>the instant-death murder-acid

>>96729080
DC were the 'designated bad guy' faction. they existed to be punching bags. hence their totem iconic mech, the dragon, being fast, mobile and tough... with popguns.

>>96729659
no. that is a level 1 high terrain, that has a depth 1 water feature ON it. which runs down a little waterfall or downhill to the north east hex at level 0. where a depth 1 water feature also is.

>>96730026
>That's the point really, regardless of details or culture, ultimately the entire Inner Sphere has become a barbaric crab bucket, devolving into soulless murder going on for centuries, all in the name of winning a war for an empty throne they don't even really care about anymore.

This is something that the Chaos March and Protectorate were trying really hard to push; BT's stories had been so obsessed with this "great men of history" narratives built on the backs of the death and suffering of billions of people who _just_did_not_give_a_fuck_ about people like Victor Davion and Phelan Kell and Jaime Wolf and whoever.

But by that point Battletech's players/fans were just so enchanted with the big picture storybook shit, absolutely nobody cared about what "normal" people in the Inner Sphere thought or wanted; nobody really understood (or even wanted) stories that cared about the aftermath of war, they just wanted to to go pew pew with their tiny pewter robots.

I wonder how different battletech would be if instead of weight being the main balance mechanic, it was internal space.

>>96731261
It already technically tracks internal space through crits. What it doesn't track is surface area. You should not be able to cram 12 rocket launchers in a torso or similar shit.
It should be something like 2 small weapons per body part for light, 3 for mediums, 4 heavies and 5 for assaults. Can exchange 1 small for 2 mediums, 2 mediums for large and 2 large for an extra huge weapon like Thumper. If you cram in more shit into a body part you get negative quirks.
So a light mech would max out at something like 5 medium weapons, medium at around 7, and assault won't be able to bring more than 5 large lasers or similar with some spare change.

>>96731329
>You should not be able to cram 12 rocket launchers in a torso or similar shit.
Gay

>>96730999
Of course I wanna hear about the dudes with mechs and not the dudes who literally don't matter and can't affect anything.
>they just wanted to to go pew pew with their tiny pewter robots
You forgot the gigachad image.

>>96729545
Liao is the sick man of the inner sphere for most of history.

Anybody got recommendations for durable clan mechs? Ran a Kingfisher in a match recently and the standard fusion engine makes that thing really beefy. Might have to look into more second-line energy machines, any top performers I should look at?

At 5/8/5, would you rather have a 75 tonner with a clan XL, or a 55 tonner with a standard engine for survivability? Maxed or almost maxed armor in both cases. Obviously the 75 tonner is going to be putting out more damage as well, which indirectly helps with survivability. Enemy can't keep shooting after they die. C-bills and BV are no object, it's just a matter of bay space.

>>96731461
Stooping Hawk. It's a medium so it's not quite in the same category, but it's a nicely armored standard engine trooper. Not second line, but very practical.

>>96730619
Is that a griffin 2N? When did that get a mini?

>>96731261
Just make all DHS take up three crit spaces.

>>96730999
There were two problems with the Chaos March:

In-lore, it came out of nowhere. These worlds spend a generation pretty happy, but now the Capellans are able to cause simultaneous uprisings on dozens of worlds, apparently out of nowhere?

Out-of-lore, it also came out of nowhere. What's more, it felt like a completely contrived way to cut the FedCom down, and to strengthen the CapCon while we're at it.

The /vidya/ shows that there was interest in this sort of thing, but it just came out of fucking nowhere.

>>96730999
Then, one day, for no reason at all, the small people that were mauled and abandoned and at times stepped on found that all the Jaime Wolfs and Victor Davions could at least bleed a bit, with the help of some nukes and friendly fanatics. Pity that it ended up with Stone in charge.

>>96728749
Post new Ostwar art.

There’s new art? Where?

>>96731461
Rifleman IIC. SFE and max armor for a 65 tonner.tanner.

Stone Rhino, SFE and 18 tons of armor (okay, it's not maxxed for a 100 tonner, but it's pretty good).

>>96731524
This isn't even remotely a question.

If you meant an IS 75 tonner with a Clan XL engine, pretend I posted a Falconer.

>>96731655
>Pity that it ended up with Stone in charge.
My specific brand of Wobbiesm has never been attempted. (actual truth)

There's no minis for the Oni or Zou BA? That's a shame.

>>96728749
>>96731667

>>96731538
Last year, Legendary MW 3 (BH themed) box

>>96732735
Overall pretty damn good.
Too bad the lower arms are not the “paddle” type. Wonder if they’ll fuck up the scaling of the miniature somehow, too big or too small when compared to the Ostroc/Ostsol. Release this with alternate paddle arms, the OTL-4F Ostsol and the OSR-3C Ostroc and the OSR-2M Ostroc with detachable jumping exhaust base in a box set would be cool.

IMO anyways…

Thank you sir for posting the pic.

>>96732735
That's an Ostwar?

>>96732911

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Ostwar

Hasn't changed much.

>>96732911
You were expecting something different?

Pretty much in line with previous art.

The IWM mini is pretty fucked up, especially where the cockpit is concerned (utter mangled, oversized disaster) and the liberties taken with the lower arms…

This rendition is pretty damn solid.

>>96732929
>>96732930
I was hoping for more paddle arms and something a little less chunky.

Which is easier fluffwise: manufacturing a new mech or upgrading an existing mech with endo steel and/or xl engine?

>>96730621
Cowards need not apply.

>>96733081
Upgrading with XL is fairly easy if you have a kit, upgrading to endo is essentially taking everything off of your old mech to put on a new mech.

>>96733081
XL engine can be done in any military dropship with the right kit. Endosteel is slightly easier than making a new mech, but only because you are basically reusing all the non skeleton parts. It still involves taking apart the entire donor mech.

Played a game with the playtest packets, got Battletech'd. My Banshee fell and crushed its own head, as you do. The side hit changes did effect things, the water changes didn't really. Need more testing to form an opinion.

I am looking for a the Battletech Terchnical Readout 3039 [Second Printing] , please.
The first print is the one in all the troves at the top of the thread ; the one I'm trying to find has a bunch of corrections and states "Corrected Second Printing" on the credits page.
TIA!

>>96733210

What are the two red mechs by the Locust? I can't identify them from the back.

>>96733277
I think the bigger one is a Banshee and the smaller one is a Hermes II

>>96733326

thanks

>>96733277
Yeah, it's a Banshee and Hermes II. I also have a Blackjack over on the right. We didn't bring any jump jet capable mechs for maximum chance the water might affect something, but most of the fight was in the empty area on the left.

>>96733378
The BJ jumps tho

>>96733399
Not this one, it's a DC.

>>96733152
>not being suicidally retarded
>'cowardice'...

>>96733886
>fighting in a war in the I.S. at all
>"not being suicidally retarded"

Anyone magnetize their bases for transport? I'm looking at options.

Seen these recommended:
https://www.amazon.com/FINDMAG-Refrigerator-Magnets-Premium-Whiteboard/dp/B07XRNWZFQ

>>96734149
I used 2x12mm magnets. For assaults and metal minies you'll need 2-3 to be sure.

So the fire and effect from Inferno gets extinguished within 10 seconds in tabletop, but it lasts much longer in universe?

>>96734210
The original inferno rules had them burning for multiple turns, 3 per missile iirc.

>>96733210
>>96733378
Any ammo explosions, leg destruction, or standing up?

>>96734210
Back when infernos could only be fired from SRM 2s the effects lasted 3 turns

>>96734364
>>96734348
That's still 30 seconds of burn time, which is relatively short.

>>96733378
To be fair you kinda screwed up by using bridges to ignore water and based on both of your pictures the deployment zone mostly effected one side more then the other. Looked like red side could just outright ignore water and team blue goober could just use the bridge to ignore water 50% of the time.

>>96734386
30 seconds is long time if you're the one on fire. And game wise making it any longer would have been a bit overkill, back then it was 6 heat infilcted on mechs per missile and against vehicles that was 3 turns where you had to make an instakill roll.

>>96734419
I'm mostly comparing it to actual incendiary weapons. 30 seconds isn't a long time realistically, but the current ~10 seconds is probably the best for gameplay.

>>96734154
Interesting. Do you glue the magnets on, or? Do they come loose often?

>>96734364
Wait, was that the reason why SSRM2 was a thing? Why this was supposed to be the 'Elementals hunter' Clanbuster?

>>96734473
I use instant superglue, should be enough.

>>96734532
In that instance no, because that variant was created under modern rules for the more recent Battle of Tukayyid book, the IS simply didn't have streaks bigger than 2 at the time. The Snake is an example from the time of an intended BA hunter stacking streak 2s for the purpose, it's also why you see some early invasion Clan mechs stacking streak 2s even when they have larger racks available.

>>96734554
>>96734532

>>96734532
>>96734554
>>96734578

>>96724825
Then what about snek robots? And let me clarify - not Draconis Combine 'mechs, actual BMs made in the shape of a snake.

>>96727392
Mega-Machine Gun Knees!

>>96734386
That's how long early napalm burned (modern formulations burn slower).

>>96724308 (OP)
So anons I got lucky and nabbed a full box of 3rd ed for giga cheap on ebay. What should I use to strip the paint without destroying the plastic since it's just based in a black paint

>>96734356
All of it happened to the Hermes II. It lost its leg, fell over, stood back up, then ate about 45 damage and had an ammo explosion. But it had less than 20 pips left between its side torso and center torso anyway and never got a chance to limp away. The Blackjack was able to start wading across the river but we called it there since I was down two mechs and very unlikely to win.

>>96734409
A bridge only got used once, and the remaining map sheets on hand were excessively wet. But yeah, water didn't factor in much.

I cannibalised some Arena of the Planeswalker boards and Heroscape tiles to make a 3D hex map for my BattleTech games.
Next up is adding some 3D printed hex buildings around the paved areas in the four corners.
I think I'm gonna name this map The Battle of Serenity Valley.

Blazers and Light Blazers are better than I thought in Gothic. All lasers can be set to dazzle mode that uses half the heat but keeps the same damage against Abominations (half damage against mechs). That means a Light Blazer is 7 damage for 3 heat. Medium lasers are probably still better at 5 damage for 1 heat, but hey, at least they're trying.

>>96734814
Tip: If you get Hextech terrain files, upscale them to 134.6% to make them fit heroscape tiles properly. And there's a free sample pack for hextech

It amuses me. Not that I have time to do more than this. Pic related.

>>96735217
Is that meant to evoke the skull mech final boss from MechAssault 2?

>>96734578
>>96734582

Cool work. Looks good.

>>96735247
Generic free image as background. Accidentally saved as pdf and not as Word doc, can't fix the dark numbers with red ones or I would have done that after.

Just having fun.

>>96734582
Hey cool issues of Mech we don't have in the trove

IS the falconer even a good mech at what it is supposed to be for? does it actually kill clanner scum good?

>>96734721
Simple Green

>>96735285
It can't go toe-to-toe with a Timber Wolf, but it does okay against most Clan Mediums and Heavies.

It's not Clantech and never will be, but it's probably about the best you can hope for

>>96735894
I was surprised we didn't get a Clanteched one with the new model.

>>96734814
>>96735135
CGL should really consider making 3d map sets. Now that's something I'd actually buy

>>96734582
>>96734578
Gigger please. You know this isn't canon.

What's the sexiest mech and why is it the Malice?

>>96736538
Because you're a homosexual.

>>96736666
I am actually t4t

>>96736677
AGP maxxing

>>96735967
Based on what Hextech charges, they'd be quite expensive unless you're 3D printing.

>>96736710
Post minis chud

>>96736728
Sorry, don't have any pictures of your cock.

Hi I'm confused about something related to Modifiers. When a 'Mech stays stationary in a hex (not even rotating), they get a white dice next to them with 6, yeah? And when they are declaring an attack, their Attacker Modifier / Target Modifier is 0. But what happens when you rotate in-place? Is it still considered stationary? Or do you suffer the +1 penalty to the Attacker Modifier for having walked?

Either way it makes no difference to Target Modifier, because moving 0 hexes is the same as moving 2 hexes (0 T), right?

>>96736979
A mech that spends MP to change it's spacing is considered to have moved. So a 2/3 that rotates 2 hexes would have walked, and one that rotates 3 hexes would have run. Target movement modifier is based on how many hexes the unit moved, not how much MP it expended. A unit that spends 12 MP spinning in place and a unit that stood still have the same TMM (0)

>>96736994
>unit that spends 12 MP spinning in place
Would the spinning pilot need to pass a PSR to not get dizzy

>>96736994
Understood. So is there a convention for how to mark on the table a stationary 'Mech versus a 'Mech that just walked very little? Because the white 6 die would at a glance consider them the same

>>96737025
I put green dice for my modifiers
no die if I haven't moved, 1 if I walked or rotated, 2 for run.
And a red die next to it green as to hit modifier for those who are shooting me.

>>96737025
We mark stationary with a little glass token, then use the white six exclusively for "walked but with no TMM"

>>96735894
What can go toe to toe with a timby?

>>96737025
White 6 is impossible (???), so it's easy to tell it's a mech being stationary.

>>96736538
Hermes II or Wyvern

>>96737293
The question is how you differentiate between walked with tmm 0 and stationary, numbnuts

>>96737333
Hermes 1 I think, you can tell by the pregnant tum tum

>>96737365
being mean to me is illegal.

>>96737474
Post tummy then.

>>96734149
I use 2x12mm in the base of my mechs, and magnetize them to the inside of a plastic tote with some thicker 3x12 magnets. Superglue the 2x12s to the inside of the hex base and they'll basically never come off.

The only problem is that while the magnets keep the mechs firmly in place for *most* activities, I have dropped the plastic travel tote before (carries about 15 mechs instead of the big 40-mech bins) and the mechs just went everywhere inside the bin; I print my stuff, so the resin exploded spectacularly and I had to glue all the limbs back on. Thankfully it was all a clean break so everything glued back together nicely, but I'm switching to foam for travel, magnets for long-term storage.

Fellow crustations, how do you feel about swapping out the AC20s for UACs or LB-Xs? Or RAC5s if we go futher down the timeline.
>gauss rifle
That's what Nightstars are for. Speaking of which I could go for a late succession wars Nightstar that's just the frame filled with trash and two AC10s just for the prestige.

Fellow crustations, how do you feel about swapping out the AC20s for UACs or LB-Xs? Or RAC5s if we go futher down the timeline.
>gauss rifle
That's what Nightstars are for. Speaking of which I could go for a late succession wars Nightstar that's just the frame filled with trash and two AC10s just for the prestige.

>>96737287
Nothing. It's literally the perfect Mech.

>>96729080
They continue well past the early phase with having bad mechs. Their signature weapon system is the MRM which is regarded as utter dogshit and for good reason. In fluff it's supposed to be firing a swarm of somewhat inaccurate missiles with the idea that if you fire 40 of them in a salvo enough will make contact to get some damage in.

However because they have a flat accuracy penalty you just miss a lot. You're essentially adding 1 to the gunnery of any pilot using them, turning a regular 4/5 into a rookie 5/5 except you are still paying the BV for a 4/5 pilot. You don't even get the marginal benefit of being able to run slightly better mechs with shit pilots.

Even if you do everything with Apollo FCS and a C3 network you never offset the penalty relative to other weapons, you just make MRMs suck slightly less. They would be an okay Introtech weapon but by the time they are introduced there are so many better things that they are just awful in every way.

I don't think it was an accident that DCMS was chosen to be the main users of it. They must be canonically retarded since these are the same guys that """upgraded""" the Panther by slapping an ER PPC on it without changing anything else, including the single heat sinks that could barely handle a standard PPC.

>>96737729
RAC/5. It's hands down the best autocannon. You get better range, have space for more ammo, and can max out armor on top of it. You do lose some lethality in close combat duels but in 90% of situations you are coming on top.

Screwing around with generated image edits, not happy with what it did to the surface texture but overall this is cool.

>>96738235
Kill yourself

>>96738235
What software did you use?

>>96738436
just searched up "ai image generator no sign up" and used the first one that actually didn't need a sign up, limited me to two edits though so the texture issue came up after I had to reprompt with "the miniature is 10 metres tall"
magichour was the one but anything that gives you a few images without signup should be fine.

>>96738482
It works very well, thanks.

>>96738065
Once it's available then sure, but there's a large swathe of time when it's not available.

Does anyone know why, in the rules, all attacks must be declared before they begin to be resolved? My group does it on a mech by mech basis, and I can’t work out what difference it would make if done the official way.

>>96738679
That just means other cannons have time to lube up for their humiliation.

>>96738729
Because you might waste attacks on something that's already destroyed, making it so you have to decide if you want to overkill something or risk it not quite dying yet. If you declare them one by one as they shoot, then you can say "well, that just got its head blown off, so this guy is going to target something else instead."

>>96738729
Because if you know your mech has died, you just alpha strike everything. If you know your target has died, you won't attack it with another mech.

>>96738746
Not the point, I guess this is going to go nowhere.

>>96738761
Oh of course, that makes sense, it adds another layer of strategy and skill. I’ll suggest we start doing it that way

Do company or smaller scale or mech vs. mech battles in universe also ends within 2~4 minutes?

>>96737940
>don't think it was an accident that DCMS was chosen to be the main users
Of course it wasn't an accident. It was deliberate racism by a bunch of racist white Americans.

>>96738992
Based

>>96737940
Hope this makes it

>>96739105
Should have made it also 5/10/15

>>96738992
After their struggles with Harmony Gold I can't blame anyone at FASA for not being fans of the slopes

What's the best jagermech variant? I want to like it but man nothing jumps out at me as great or even good.

>>96739374
Harmony Gold is an American company founded by an Egyptian.

>>96739500
Anon, the Egyptians were Chinese

>>96724904
Mainnreason I went with a custom merc company was a mixture of this and having very few factions and units I truly like. I think the only factions I genuinely like are the Swords of Light and Clan Star Adder which are fairly restricted in use.

>>96739500
>>96739374
Harmony Gold is the enemy

>>96739500
So THAT'S why clan blood chapels are pyramids..

>>96739498
JM6-H
JM7-D
JM7-DD
JM7-F

>>96738992
“Muh racism”
“Muh white rascists”

Too fucking easy, lame, and predictable you pathetic, mewling shitter.

More probable is some pro Davion/Fedcom fag on staff angry with his shit life and that more players like DCMS vs “the good guys” so he has to “balance” the new Drac weps and mechs.

There’s so much stupid shit in this game similar to the 3050 Panther “upgrade” debacle it’s exhausted all the excuses and lame ass dev “reasons”.

But “muh racism”? Go be a fag on your own time, not here.
“Its all so tiresome”

>>96739498
-DDa when picrel gets introduced

>>96739500
Then it's not american.

>>96740018
Armor piercing + optional rule for rapid fire ACs will turn even a stock Jagermech into a NASTY physical beast.

>>96724382
Mechs can already fight underwater, much better than most submarines even.

>>96738992
>>96739374
Americans turning battletech into some kind of entirely one-sided race war (the japs have literally zero umbrage with battletech and largely just think it's kind of neat and wish it was more accessible) and not the cutthroat american legal scramble to extract as much monetary value off the designs they bought before transformers stops selling is a continuous comedy.

>>96740108
When did this happen?
Examples?
Or are you talking out of your ass?

>>96739500
Harmony Gold is a mafia company run by the Scilians.

>>96740108
>Americans
*mechwarrior secondaries

>>96738992
This is a pretty inflammatory way to say it, but yes, Battletech's treatment of the Kuritans and Liaos was very much rooted in 80s anxiety about Japan and China displacing the US as economic superpowers. The Kuritans were mixed in with 80s era "samurai are cool" stuff because Shogun came out in the late 70s (and the tv series in 1980) while the Liaos got mixed in with generic totalitarian stuff because the Soviets were still a concern at the time. It's no coincidence that after the Soviet Union collapsed, the Liaos got written as more explicitly Chinese, but it was there from day 1

This isn't really something to be condemned about Battletech, it just reflects American anxieties in the 80s, much like how the MWDA writing reflected American worries about Jihadist terrorism

>>96737025
I use a walk colored 6 for 'didn't walk far enough to get a TMM', and a jump colored 6 for stood still.

>>96740260
You can tell the media was made in 80s, if Japan is a superpower. Same for cyberpunk. And then the 90s happened and jap economy did ACK.

>>96738992
If you don't like it go play a different game, Battletech is racist at it's core as every faction is a racist nationalist caricature of a specific culture.

>>96740286
Drifting from the Battletech topic, but media is always an interesting insight into what people are worried about, especially horror movies. Like how in the 50s you had stuff like The Blob and Invasion of The Body Snatchers, which were very clearly meant to be communism. Meanwhile 60s horror was generally about counterculture in one form or another.

I mostly find Battletech interesting for this in the way MWDA and Jihad writing serve as a look into the mindset of people at the tail end of the 90s and early 2000s, when islamic terrorism suddenly became the defining thing everyone was concerned about and how that's reflected in the Word of Blake. Through the 90s, the Blakists were meant to serve as the "still religious, sinister" half of comstar because 90s nerds were very big on "religion evil" (visible in many 90s D&D settings), hence them opposing the Wolf's Dragoons because the Dragoons were the designated protagonists. Then after 9/11 when the Jihad gets written the Blakists are suddenly into terrorism, WMDs, and unconventional warfare, things they hadn't leaned on before, because that's what people were worried about in the 2000s.

>>96740083
Wrong. Mechs without UMUs are inferior to subs, simply because of PSR for walking on the bottom and the fact that energy weapons are half range. Any sub with LRT tubes wins because of breach checks.

>>96740553
>PSRs for walking on the bottom
I have great news about the new water rules CGL is testing

Why is the Shadow Cat so bloated BV-wise?

>>96740535
Can't wait for Alaric Ward, the peace dealer.

>>96740632
Very solid jack of all trades clan mech without any blow-out specialty probably?

It's not actually bloated, but you don't really see what you're paying for because you're paying for the whole thing?

>>96740632
>>96740639
Yeah I went to check my work:
-Gauss
-JJs
-MASC
-7 tons FF
-Endo Steel

>>96740639
I mean I'm not sure what of it makes it more expensive than even some Assault mechs. What kind of multiplier got in there when calculating for BV?

>>96740634
Alaric doesn't really map to anyone in real world politics, but the Rasalhague vote on whether to join the new star league was very clearly inspired by Brexit. It'll take about ten years for us to really be able to judge, but "intensely disputed democracy leading to political upheaval" does seem to be a theme of the late 2010s and early 2020s.

>>96740651
There's a pretty stiff multiplier for 6 jump AND a pretty stiff run for Run 12, and it has both cranking up its defensive BV.

>>96740632
MASC and Jump Jets together is a pretty steep multiplier, especially since the MASC pushes it over the 10-hex breakpoint for +4 TMM. That and clan tech is expensive, so your big fat movement multiplier on top of expensive clan guns just means the BV cost skyrockets.

>>96740286
Not too well read on east Asian economic history, why did that happen?

>>96740746
My poor Executioner

>>96740746
Is that why the one dasher variant is 2000+ bv too?

>>96740133
When are dudes not getting weird about japan/anime in the battletech community?
>>96740187
The trve grogs are frequently even worse, half of those guys still actually like robotech. There's nothing sadder than seeing some bald retiree still beating the robotech>macross drum.

>>96740760
bubble popped and Japan had to suffer 30+ years long economic stagnation, the Lost Decades

>>96740776
More or less, but that one has a targeting computer too. BV prices clan ER mediums pretty high and having 5 of them on that big of a movement multiplier gets real expensive.

>>96740762
The Executioner is a monument to clan hubris, but if you want to see real BV inflation go look at the Ryoken III.

>>96740760
Check out "Japanese economic miracle" on wikipedia, then the follow ups. While the Miracle ended in the 70s, it coincided with a baby boom and a similar economic upturn in the 80s, which both swung down to present day japan having a birth rate below replacement levels because of the high cost of raising a family and stagnant wages. It'll be a deepening ecoonomic and demographic crisis for them as we enter the 30s and the people born in the 1960s hit retirement age.

>>96740808
>only usable in vidya.jpg

>>96734814
HEROSCAPE TILES LIVE ON
I miss heroscape like you wouldnt believe

>>96740833
Are you aware they released new stuff this year? Like a whole new starter and everything

>the Grand Titan will be in Camacho's Caballeros forcepack
No FWL box again

>>96740535
Honestly, just fucking calling it a "Jihad" instead of a "Crusade" was 100% tapping into fear of Muslims at the time.

>>96740824
The Japanese miracle also ended because American, German, and later South Korean companies realized that they can also make consumer electronics.

The Japanese were the first to really push computer games and walkmen, and they also pushed really hard into manufacturing computers and telecoms stuff.

At the same time, the 1979 Oil Crisis led to Americans starting to buy more fuel-efficient cars, and Japan was happy to sell them.

This all ended up playing out in the late 1990s/early 2000s mostly because the rest of the world caught up and Japan stopped pushing forward.

>>96740929

Can't have an FWL box when there's no FWL.

>>96740853
HOLY SHIT NO I DIDNT

>>96740929
>Camacho's Caballeros force pack
Where did you here about this?

>>96740984
the recrent youtube video that used whole bunch of new grand titan artworks

>>96740929
>>96741019
Why is there a "grand titan" but no "titan"? Were they concerned people would get confused with the dropship?

>>96741040
There's a Titan and a Titan II

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Titan_II

>>96741019
Got a link to this video (and a timestamp?)

>>96741053
I do like when they reference out-of-production or failed-prototype Mechs. It gives a lot of verisimilitude. Like the Stone Rhino being based on a failed Amaris experiment.

>>96741040
OG titan was from Battletechnology magazine

>>96741040
the titan is a variant of the titan ii

>>96741019
>>96741066
Never mind, found it. "At some point" isn't an exciting piece of information.

>>96741174
That's not normally how things work.

Also Grand Titan is 15 IRL years older than Titan II

>>96740949
I actually think that's more to do with the writers leaning on Dune and thinking the Butlerian Jihad, since they picked that name before 9/11

>>96741397
So why again did the robes need to get retired but it's a-okay for clan wolf to take over the entire inner sphere (they have rolled it back a bit but still, that's what they were planning to go with)

>>96741513
Were you meaning to reply to someone else?

Anyway, Comstar and the Blakists have done all the interesting stuff to do with them. Keeping them around or bringing them back would be silly.

>>96741513
Probably because originally there was going to be a timeskip that would take us directly from the Wolves taking Terra to a hundred years later when it all falls apart and the Inner Sphere rebels. Now we're getting a real life decade of the Wolves taking over. It's why im somewhat excited for Gothic because for all its problems its still better than what the main setting has become. Sadly Gothic will probably be a failure because the box is crappy looking mechs instead the monsters Gothic has. People aren't going to buy a whole second set of mechs just for an alt timeline.

>>96741513
Because like the fag that keeps saying “muh racism” the devs are gay.

And oh, the Smoke(d) Jaguars aren’t anymore.

And the version of the Orion with the SRM-4 in the left arm is the ON1-Ka now cuz we can’t properly correct a 20 year old typo and choose to ignore the original fluff/lore/minis (and ON1-V and ON1-VA) etc cuz the mech sheets and new mini hurt durrrrr

I'm not mad.

>>96740824
>present day japan having a birth rate below replacement levels
>It'll be a deepening ecoonomic and demographic crisis for them
Reminder that the japanese birth rate is just .2 lower than the white american birth rate, but this is higher than some countries surrounding japan. The birth rate crisis is global and japan was just the canary in the coal mine.

>>96741533
>the Blakists have done all the interesting stuff to do with them
They can remain an ever present threat, an unkillable idea that keeps taking root and converting new believers, a constant risk of exposure to the advanced technologies they pioneered and perfected, and a dark legend of hidden planets supporting the subversion of everyone from everyday individuals to entire military units.
Whatever the fuck it takes to give me additional eras to use their mech list.

>>96741533
Didn't mean to reply

>>96741545
>Gothic because for all its problems its still better than what the main setting has become.
No it isn't you collossal mongoloid.

>>96741040
OG 3055 fluff it was the Titan unless you were FedCom. The lack of any reasoning given for the FedCom to call it differently may be part of why they dropped that bit.

>>96741545
>People aren't going to buy a whole second set of mechs just for an alt timeline.

Except that's the only reason a non-interested person is going to be buying the box for. Even the next two sets - Not!Flash Gordon and Not!Gundam - have the majority of people only interested in what the minis will look like

>>96741533
You mean like bringing back the Smoke Jaguars?

>>96741694
Pardoe was a moron for many ways and his insistence on bringing back the jags was a manifestation of that.

>>96741691
I really hope that for the flash gordon one, they commit to the bit and build up an alternate battletech that's just in the solar system. Go full 1930s sci fi, swamps on venus, deserts and canals on mars, and the Clans as a dark menace lurking out beyond the asteroid belt.

Stackpole’s beautiful prose could make Hemingway and Tolstoy collapse to the ground weeping. Space opera peaks right here, in this very paragraph.

>>96741632
>No it isn't you collossal mongoloid.
Do you really like spending the next decade watching the Wolves and the rest of the furry retards conquering the Inner Sphere?

Gothic sucks cuz it takes away resources from Battletech.

Gothic versions of mechs vs canon variants of mechs we’ve never seen?

Really!?!

I’d rather have:
ON1-V Orion
ON1-VA Orion
ON1-M Orion
ON2-M Orion
OSR-2Cb Ostroc
OSR-3C Ostroc
GHR-5N Grasshopper
JM6-A Jagermech
JM6-H Jagermech
CGR-1A5 Charger (exist already?)
HBK “Swayback” variants (some impressive fanmade so maybe not)
QKD-8K QuickDraw
HTM Hatamoto- variants

There has been some amazing variants created so far, so I hope these can be realized to by focusing nearly 40 year old core game.

Give my God damn shimmyseen Rakshasa. It and celestials are all that's left on my bingo card.

The autocorrect or whatever bullshit is going is retarded. Thanks for for removing entire words for reasons, you moronic PoS app.

>>96741827
The autocorrect or whatever bullshit is going is retarded. Thanks for for removing entire words for reasons, you moronic PoS app.


That’s two posts where the word “on” has been removed after hitting the post button. Fuck off app.

>>96741775
I look forward to playing many games using ilClan mechs and RATs and never once giving a fuck about the Wolves fellating themselves on Terra.

>>96741819
My brother from another mother. I also hold out hope for a Spectral series forcepack someday.

>>96741860
>Spectral series
Man. You know that's gonna be the last thing from WoB out if they ever even bother. I would say you'll never see it but it looks like the original LAMS are coming so maybe you'll get em.

>>96741852
I too enjoy the Tamar Pact and it's neighbors.

>>96741819
Celestial force pack was announced as well as Woby Battlearmor.

Now excuse me while I wait for my Hauptmann.

I think the Uziel is the only mech im still looking forward since Shimmy did a very nice drawing of it like a decade ago and I hope the plastic looks like it. After that then I should be good for models except for maybe the Sea Fox pack if I decide to do a force for them.

>>96741978
Shimmy is a die hard MW4 fan, so I expect he'll go all out on the Uziel.

>>96740808
>BV prices clan ER mediums pretty high
They're 7/8ths of an IS LL and they cost 7/8ths of a LL's BV. They cost the right amount for what they do, the problem is they weigh a whopping 1 ton each and so you can end up with a light mech mech with 4.5 large lasers, a +25% cost increase on them from a Tcomp, and that weighs 6 whole tons with the rest of it shoved into going stupid fast (which gives it another big cost multiplier from the OBV speed factor). Compounding multipliers and the mech not gaining any defensive advantage from carrying 35 damage of highly accurate medium range weapons results in the stupid high BV.

>>96742025
I believe the CERML is actually the highest BV:tonnage ratio of anything in the game

>>96741949
>Celestial force pack was announced
Last I heard it was (delayed) but I know neither the veracity of that claim nor the reasoning.
I look forward to most of what's been announced, but the Celestials are the only announced set of mechs I am really excited about getting and the wait is bothering me.

>>96741645
Neat

>>96741587
The really fun places are places like Vietnam, Malaysia, and Thailand that are below replacement rate even though they aren't rich yet.

Thailand's birth rate is one of the lowest in the world. It's going to be completely and utterly fucked in 20 years.

Cambodia is gonna clean up SE Asia. They're just going to be expanding into literally nothing.

>>96741734
Honestly, it's hard to write that particular revelation without sounding like a dumbass. And frankly, Phelan should be embarrassed it took him that long after spending all day every day with Ulric Kerensky, Khan of Clan Wolf.

I want more of the IS Omnis to make it to plastic. It's, what, the Avatar or Sunder that's gonna be in one of the Combine packs? I think all the others are MIA, even the Blackjack and Firestarter.

For me? Waiting on Society Packs.
Lots and lots of protos!

>>96742251
IS Omnis were never more than a gimmick. They should have completely replaced all IS Mechs going forward, but the devs thought that people wouldn't like that.

Also, wasn't the Hauptmann in one of the packs?

>>96742251
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>>96742301
>wasn't the Hauptmann in one of the packs?
No. You may be thinking of the Regent.

>>96742301
>the devs thought that people wouldn't like that.
They were right. People would have hated that unless all the old mechs just magically became omnimechs past the Clan Invasion. Nobody wants a huge percentage of their minis collection to just be unavailable, or so far behind the curve they're just unusable.

>>96742354
>minis collection
*stat sheet collection
It's just another piece of paper to print off, same mini.

>>96727354
definitely looks like a Steve

>>96741720
I heard Herb had either made the joke about including a Ming the Merciless or is seriously thinking of including him but apparently that's "too racist"

>>96742422
Yeah, pssh, an evil asian emperor steeped in yellow peril stereotypes? Battletech is way too good for that kind of material.

I fucked up with the spray (I'll never use white spray again), tried to strip it and it won't come off. How much more fucked will I be if I give up and just spray black on top of this mess?

>>96742422
>>96742430
Haha, yeah...

>>96742422
>heard Herb had either made the joke about including a Ming the Merciless

>>96742448
Nothing to see here.

>>96742443
Let it soak in Simple Green for like a whole day or two, occasionally taking it out to scrub with an old toothbrush.

>>96742443
Also how do you fuck up priming?

>>96742534
I sprayed, white didn't seem to go on, sprat spray spray and it became too thic

>>96742559
What brand spray paint are you using?

>>96742574
valejo

>>96742313
>No. You may be thinking of the Regent.
Oh, duh.

Same thing

>>96742422
Wasn't Mad Max based partially on Ming the Merciless anyway?

Side comment: I still can't fucking believe that they made Romano no longer a green-eyed redhead. Fuck them.

>>96742301
>>96742354

Speaking of Inner Sphere OmniMechs, when Inner Sphere powers started building them, why didn't they start with remaking the Mackie as an OmniMech? I mean, wouldn't it have been fitting that if they were going to make their first OmniMech, IS powers would have chosen the very first BattleMech, the Mackie, as the start of a new cycle of mechs?

>>96743238
no. it should have been the famously roomy and easily worked on mechs. classics the houses have thousands of. omni pod armed panthers and dragons, omnipod armed archers and crusaders etc.

clan xlfe should have been the fastest reproduced tech.

>>96743238
How many serviceable Mackies are in each House military anon?

>>96743238
Absolutely not. The Mackie was ancient and AFAIK not in broad use at the time the Inner Sphere started working on Omni mechs. The irony is that, as the initial testbed for battlemech technology, the Mackie would be hilariously unsuitable for the Omnimech's design goals.

That would be why the IS powers would go forward first with a proof of concept in the Raptor, a simple and blocky light mech. While politics would drive the other initial Omnimech offerings in the sphere, the choices of the Blackjack, the Firestarter and the Cicada as inspirations for them was no accident. They were relatively simple designs in an average weight bracket that could be used to further explore and develop the technology.

>>96743294
The only reason I don't really think you'd be seeing Omni-dragons and Omni-archers is because the chassis variants operate pretty comfortably without the need for rapid re-specialization. I would say omni-panthers though would make a lot of sense to re-assign its relatively small weapon loadout for mission parameters.

>>96743318
the point being, that the mechs everyone uses all the time forever, that have survived by dint of being so easy to work on / with, should have all been turned into omni versions, like the omni centurion and omni blackjack.

>>96743340
You still have to have a reason to omni a design. An omni that you aren't going to swap pods on is just an expensive battlemech.

Mainstay mediums make good sense with a mix of heft and cost effectiveness. Some lights make sense where you're solving a flexibility problem. Premium mechs for elite formations, etc. If you're not expecting intensity that requires a revolving door of repaired pods, or an uncertainty that can demand complete retrofits in hours rather than days, a battlemech is leagues less expensive and can be just as good-- even better in some roles. My beloved Hammerhead is an anvil, giving it pod space isn't going to do it much good because I'm not largely interested in changing the guns.

>>96743294
>>96743316
>>96743318

Not necessarily modifying what little Mackies they had. Just make one from the ground up that looks like the Mackie but with the Omnipod built in so that you can arm it whatever you want.

>>96743453
So your entire plan is basically make something like a blocky Mackie with omnipod technology? You are aware the Sunder exists?

>>96743580

>You are aware the Sunder exists?

Then I shall leave it at that. Thanks for helping me remember it.

>>96743766

Onto another subject. Heard that Maximillian Liao used a Marauder-2R. I presume that was before he ousted his father Tormax and took over as Chancellor of the Capellan Confederation.

Is that true or not?